September 20, 2024 • 36 mins
Dr. John Lewis researcher and founder of Dr. Lewis Nutrition
This episode features Dr. John Lewis, the brilliant mind behind Dr. Lewis Nutrition, who shares his inspiring journey from childhood sports and bodybuilding to becoming a leading authority on health and nutrition. Discover how meeting two key individuals ignited his passion for the remarkable health benefits of polysaccharides found in aloe vera and rice bran, shaping both his career and life's mission.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof Functionally Autoimmune.
I'm so happy that you're herewith me today.
I have a fantastic guest on theshow that I know you're going
to love.
Dr John Lewis is here with ustoday.
He's the founder of Dr LewisNutrition and so many other
things I can't wait to hearabout.
Thank you so much for being onthe show with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you, Brandy.
It's my pleasure to be here.
I really look forward to ourconversation today.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, me too.
Before we really get started, Iwant you to give us a little
bit more information about you.
How did you end up in thisfield of nutrition and
supplements and just health ingeneral?
What led you in that direction?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh gosh, that goes all the way back to when I was a
little kid, when my grandfatherstarted pitching baseball to me
in the backyard when I was Idon't know four or five years
old, and it put me on a path ofplaying sports.
And then I got after highschool.
I got into drug-freecompetitive bodybuilding in
college and I did that forseveral years, but I was not
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willing to go down a path ofagain taking drugs and, you know
, doing a lot of things thatpeople in bodybuilding
ultimately get into, which, Imean, if you make a living at it
, I guess that's okay, but Idon't think a lot of people are
actually making that much moneyas bodybuilders.
But anyway, I shifted my focusinto health from I guess you
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could call it more of physicalsports performance perspective
into more of a healthperformance perspective, into
more of a health performanceperspective, although I will say
that bodybuilding definitelyoriented me more into looking at
how nutrition and exerciseshould be utilized or can be
utilized for specific purposes.
I think really, before gettinginto bodybuilding, I probably
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looked at food and activity justlike most other people did.
I was either eating for taste,not for health, and I was moving
, or playing sports just becausethat was what I enjoyed doing.
It was, you know, something funto do with my friends.
It wasn't because I said, well,I'm, you know, moving around a
lot.
Today.
It's reducing my risk of heartdisease.
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You know, there was noorientation or perspective about
such things, but again, eventhough I didn't end up
bodybuilding competitively fortoo many years, it definitely
was.
I would say one of those shiftsin my life that helped me to be
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where I am today, but evenprobably more significantly than
that, was meeting two peopleabout 20 years ago who
introduced me to their ownperspectives of the use of
polysaccharides, which not onlychanged my career, they changed
my life.
I mean, I owe those two peopleso much Dr Reg McDaniel on the
aloe vera side and BarbaraKimley on the rice bran side.
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I met these two people whoshared with me their
perspectives and theirexperiences with these two
polysaccharides, which I meangosh.
Up until that point I had noclue.
I mean literally maybe a coupleof lectures in biochemistry
about saccharides in general,but no idea what those things
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could do beyond just being asource of fuel for the cells.
I had no clue, and so it led medown a path of research, and
here it's been now about almost20 years looking at how these
polysaccharides, these complexsugars from aloe vera and rice
bran, are just so darnbeneficial for health.
And it's again it's been on.
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I've been on a long journey nowfor all these years, but I feel
like there are many more thingsto do and it's the drive for me
every day.
It's really my obsession withthe research we ended up
conducting in people withmoderate to severe Alzheimer's
disease, which I'm no longer inacademics full time.
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I'm now in business selling myproducts from that research.
But again it completely changedwhat I was doing.
I mean, it didn't, it wasnothing planned, let's put it
that way.
It just you're in the rightplace at the right time or you
meet people that come into yourlife for whatever reason you
can't explain, but it ends upjust taking you in an entirely
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different avenue or street.
And so here I am today.
You know, on this sort ofjourney of spreading a message
about polysaccharides from AloeVera and Rice Brand, that 99% of
the people I talked to werejust like me.
They had no clue what numberone.
Nobody knows what apolysaccharide is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was going to say, for anyone listening who doesn't
know what that is maybe you'venever even heard the term Can
you give us a little bit of abreakdown on what a
polysaccharide is and why youfeel like it's so important?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Absolutely so.
First of all, we as Americanshave been literally conditioned
for the last what?
40, 50 years to think thatanytime we hear the word sugar,
immediately what do you thinkBad?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Bad yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Bad, right.
There's just no doubt in yourmind that you hear the word
sugar, you immediately think bad.
You may like the fact that it'ssweet and it tastes good, but
ultimately, at the end of theday, you oh, it's bad.
The problem with that thought,though, is that mother nature
provides us with lots ofdifferent types of sugars, and
so there are two very importantcharacteristics about any sugar
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that you have to consider, andso anytime somebody says the
blanket statement all sugar isbad for me me as a scientist, as
an author, as somebody who'svery particular about the
language I'm sorry, that's anignorant statement and it's a
very uninformed statement.
So what do I mean by that?
Again, sugars are defined by atleast two major characteristics
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One, their source and two,their biochemical structure.
So a monosaccharide, thesimplest form of sugar, the best
example was high fructose cornsyrup.
If you're consuming that stuffevery day, you're spiking your
insulin, you're spiking yourglucose, you're setting in
motion all of these badmetabolic effects that,
ultimately, you will pay fordown the road with diabetes,
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heart disease, cancer, maybe allthe above.
So I think most people, we canall agree that eating a lot of
high fructose corn syrup is badfor us.
That's the simplest form ofsugar.
The next more complex sugar isa disaccharide, something like
table sugar or sucrose.
Again, I would say that mostpeople would agree that eating
table sugar every day isprobably not the best idea for
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health.
But then the most complex formof sugars are polysaccharides.
These things are so dense incontent they cannot even be
drawn, they literally cannot bedrawn on a piece of paper.
They're like 5D structuresbasically, but they are so dense
and coated with informationthat this is the type of
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information our cells utilize,guided by the genes, to function
.
And so these polysaccharidesfrom aloe vera and rice bran I
would put up against anythingelse mother nature provides for
us for health, for a healthpromoting effect, and I mean
there are certainly things likecurcumin out there that have
been widely studied, obviouslyvery beneficial, have lots of
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healing effects, but again,based on not just our research
here at the University of Miamibut other researchers around the
world, time after time, youjust see the amazing
health-promoting effects thatthese polysaccharides have.
So I'm asking your listeners andanybody that's hearing this
message to make sure that youdon't throw the baby out with
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the bathwater and be mindful ofthe language, because the ones
from aloe vera and rice bran areactually very good for us.
There's nothing bad about them,there's no downside to taking
them, and I don't care if you'reinto the carnivore movement or
whatever your dietary philosophyis.
A few hundred milligrams or acouple of grams of these
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polysaccharides from these twoplants every day is not going to
ruin your ketosis status or,you know, disrupt your carnivore
craze or whatever that isstatus, or, you know, disrupt
your carnivore craze or whateverthat is.
These things have suchincredible health promoting
benefits and they are nothinglike sucrose or high fructose
corn syrup.
So let's get that straight.
We need to be very clear aboutthe language and the use of the
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term properly.
So these are complex sugarsthat are actually very good for
us.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I think that's really an important point is not
to be afraid of everything justbecause it has a word that
seems scary for other reasons.
So can you go into a little bitabout these specific?
You mentioned aloe vera and youmentioned rice bran.
So these specificpolysaccharides, can you go into
?
What about them makes themreally important for us?
What kind of things can they dofor us?
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Why should we be looking forthem?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, first of all, no one that I know of.
I mean, even though we live inMiami, we have aloe vera growing
in our backyard.
I don't know anyone.
I don't know about you.
I don't know anyone who eatsaloe vera.
So a lot of times when peoplehear me give a lecture and I'm
talking about the research, oneof the typical things that
somebody in the audience willthink of is oh well, I'm just
going to go start eating aloevera gel.
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No, that's not what I'm saying.
Aloe vera gel is 99% water andthen you have other materials.
Once you freeze dry it, takeall the water out, then you have
other materials in there.
I mean it's actually gotliterally everything amino acids
, fatty acids, vitamins,minerals, these polysaccharides,
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elements, cofactors I meanthere are thousands of different
materials in that aloe vera gelonce you extract the water out.
But you need to have itconcentrated into a dose that
you can have an actualtherapeutic or physiological
benefit.
So again, this is a veryspecial let's call it situation
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where you can't just replacethese things by eating more.
I don't know sweet potatoes, oryou know celery, or lettuce, or
spinach or something else.
These are very specificcompounds from this particular
plant.
The same with rice bran.
70 to 80% of the rice sold inthe world is white rice.
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Well, rice has three majorcomponents to it.
You've got the outer husk orhull.
That's inedible, so that getstaken off.
The very next layer is the branand that also, again, most of
the rice that's sold in theworld gets stripped off and
that's either thrown away or fedto livestock.
So actually, most of the time,if it's not thrown away, the
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cows or the pigs or the chickensare eating the most beneficial
part of the rice, and that whiteendosperm that's left over is
what we call white rice.
That, again, most of the worldeats.
So if you're eating some brownrice you're actually getting
some of that nutritionalmaterial that the rice plant
provides to us.
But again, I would still arguethat, and especially if you're
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past middle age and you'redealing with some really serious
health challenge, you'reprobably not going to get enough
of that rice bran unless you'reeating a gallon of brown rice
every day.
So again, these are veryspecial compounds that it really
requires a dietary supplementto enjoy the benefits of nature.
And I'm not telling any of ourlisteners that you can eat a
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crappy diet and then just takethese polysaccharides and you're
going to be optimally healthy.
You can't, as you know, youcan't supplement your way to
good health.
But what I'm telling you isthat these polysaccharides have
the ability to fill in the gapsnutritionally where most people
are lacking today, due to awhole host of reasons, as you
know.
And so these are just veryspecial compounds that
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ultimately they do severalthings.
Number one they're basicallysignaling mechanisms for our
immune system.
And what does that mean?
Well, our immune system is muchmore than just our first line
of defense against infection.
Our immune system is actuallylike the conductor of the
symphony orchestra.
If the orchestra is all of ourother major organ systems, the
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immune system is the conductorand it's talking to all the
other major organ systems andit's keeping the symphony in
balance, or that's what it'strying to do.
All of our major organ systemsneed to be in balance.
It's very crucial that theimmune system is modulated,
surveillance, functional andable to do that job.
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Otherwise, you can't possiblyexpect the cardiovascular system
, the endocrine system, thecentral nervous system, all the
other major systems, to be doingtheir job appropriately as well
.
So that's a very important rolethat, again, these
polysaccharides help to signalto the immune system to then do
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what it does and keepingeverything else in balance.
We've also showed in ourresearch I mentioned infections
they're absolutely able to helpthe body fight off infection,
whether it's virus, bacteria,fungus, whatever.
It helps to lower chronicinflammation.
We know that everything I mean.
You cannot think of any onechronic disease that doesn't
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have a chronic inflammatorycomponent to it.
So that's very important totamper down that chronic
inflammation.
We know that it helps to turnon the adult stem cell
production process.
So as we age, unfortunately welose that capacity, just like so
many other things.
We get weaker, we get fatter,we are telomere shortened all
these other things bad happen tous as we age.
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But we can help to improve thatproduction of adult stem cells.
Again, it's like a signalingmechanism for those CD14 cells.
That's one of the things that wepublished.
It helps to rebalance thedifferent components of our
immune system.
So we have this ongoingbalancing act between the pro
side of inflammation and theanti side of inflammation.
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We need to try to keep that inbalance as much as possible.
Again, if we're involved in anauto accident or we have a
broken bone or a torn ligamentor something, then we need those
pro signals going off and doingtheir job.
But once that acute damage getsrepaired, then we need the anti
side to come in and shut downthose signals.
If they can't get shut down,then that's where that chronic
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inflammation takes over andagain.
These polysaccharides help toregulate and balance that.
So I mean there are just awhole host of things.
We've published gosh, just fromour Alzheimer's and multiple
sclerosis studies.
We've published seven papers.
Then from our HIV,non-alcoholic, fatty liver
disease and healthy subjectsclinical trials, we published
another, I think, six or sevenpapers.
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So we're talking like 13, 14articles we've published just
from our research at theuniversity of Miami over the
last almost two decades, not tomention again lots of other
things around the world.
So these are very specialcompounds that do a lot of
different things mechanisticallywith very specific effects that
ultimately lead to betterhealth.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, which is amazing because that's what
everyone wants.
Everyone wants health andlongevity and not to be in the
hospital, not to be suffering inold age and all of those things
.
So when we're talking aboutthese polysaccharide compounds,
are we looking for both of them?
Do we need each of them?
Is there a combination that isimportant?
Is it one or the other?
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What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Absolutely.
So I took the best of all ofour research and, again looking
at from Dr McDaniel's side, thealoe vera side and Ms Kimley the
rice bran side, and I've putthese together in the formula
that we call today daily braincare saccharides.
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But if you drill down just alittle bit deeper, they're
similar but yet distinct and sothey have very complimentary yet
slightly different effects onthe, the body.
I mean, you know, unfortunatelywe're limited in terms of what
we can conclusively say due tomoney, right, I mean
unfortunately, at the end of theday, you need money to conduct
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research.
We can't do this work for free,so we only know what we've
studied so far.
I mean we've, we've published alot and we've studied a lot,
but there are just gosh Brandy,I mean, if we had, you know,
bill Gates's money, or someWarren Buffett, you know
somebody like that, they're allsort.
I mean we're not.
We're not in short supply ofideas or questions, we're in
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short supply of funding to beable to run those studies, to
answer all these questions thatwe have.
But again, it's just incrediblehow many different effects
we've already published and thenwhat else we believe could
happen.
I mean, and a lot of thesethings, of course, are due to,
you know, individual customersor anecdotal cases.
But yes, I mean, you're not.
There's no problem with puttingthese things together, almost
like a multivitamin mineralcomplex and, you know, putting
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several different thingstogether at once and then
enjoying the benefit of all that.
There's no hypo responsiveness.
I mean, there's no such thing,as you know.
Oh well, I'm just going to takeit for a month and then I'm,
you know, I'm done forever.
No, you, you take these thingsevery day.
I mean, oxygen is our firstnutrient and then after that we
need vitamins, we need minerals,we need these other
macronutrients.
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And in my opinion I mean, I'vebeen on my own formula for 10
years.
I've had my mother on it foralmost 15.
My wife was uh, has been on itfor over five when she got
pregnant the first time.
She's pregnant again.
Our daughter just turned fourback in March.
I've had her on it since Iintroduced solid food in her
diet at six months.
So you know, this isn't justabout treatment or dealing with
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a health challenge when you getit.
This is about preventing thatstuff in the first place, which
to me is just as important.
As you know, again, you'rebeing diagnosed with something.
And now, what do you do?
No well, let's prevent stufffrom happening to us like that
in the first place, and again Iwould argue that these materials
are are just as beneficial forthat as anything else that
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mother nature provides to us.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I love that and I'm always pro.
You know natural naturalresources.
So you know, like you mentionedearlier, nature provides all of
these different options for us,and it does it for a reason, and
it does it because there arethings that, more often than not
, they're things that our bodyneeds.
I mean, obviously, there's toxicthings out there that we
shouldn't be eating, but youknow, a lot of these things are
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created for our own health andfor our own benefit, and so I
love that you have found theseelements that are provided in
nature, that are there for us,these elements that are provided
in nature, that are there forus, that are things that our
body knows and needs and knowswhat to do with, because there's
so much that we eat today thatis not food, it's not natural
and it's not something that ourbody even recognizes as a
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substance that it wants to use.
So I think this is really greatthat you've found these things.
You've done the research,you're seeing it, doing great
things with your own family,with yourself and with the
people that you've had in theseresearch studies.
So you mentioned you give it toyour four-year-old child as
well.
So I think that makes it apretty good case that it's safe,
it's something that's not goingto harm you.
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And my other question was goingto be is there any downside
whatsoever of having thesecompounds in your life?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Not a bit.
And remember I started her atsix months.
I would have given them to herfrom day one, but you know the
polysaccharide material is alittle dense, so it wouldn't.
There was no way to give it toher, you know, until she learned
how to swallow and you knowdrink fluid better.
And usually the recommendationis you start introducing solid
foods to a human at six months.
So, but I mean I would havegiven it to her at day one.
But no, there was absolutely nodownside.
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And I mentioned my own family'suse.
Number one, because I would bea hypocrite if I was selling
something that I wasn't takingfor myself or I wasn't, my
family wasn't using.
But number two, literally fromcradle to grave and all of us in
between, there's no downside totaking these polysaccharides.
I mean I, dr McDaniel, and Ihave never discovered, for
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example, any medication, be itover the counter or prescription
, that you'd be concerned abouthaving some sort of an adverse
interaction with.
There's no such thing like that, of course, any other dietary
supplement, any type of diet.
I mean there's literallynothing that we've discovered.
And he's been at this since,actually, the almost 40 years.
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This is going back to justbeyond, like 1985, 86.
So he's going now into like 40years of this.
He's about 20 years ahead of me, but combined together I mean
we're talking about nearly 60years of experience between the
two of us, not to mention allthe other people that he
previously worked with in someof the research before he and I
met.
But you're talking aboutliterally a couple of hundred
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combined years of experienceamong all of us where there's
literally no downside.
I mean there's, you have.
You have everything to gain andnothing to lose of taking again
and again if you're into thecarnivore thing, that's fine,
you know, but take your 500milligrams, or even a couple of
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grams of these polysaccharidesevery day along with your red
meat, and you know you'll enjoythe benefit.
I mean, there's nothing, I, I,there's no case, in other words,
in nearly 20 years of doingthis, both in research and now
in business, where I've seen ohno, you shouldn't take these.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
That's really great too,because and I and I think too
it's it's such a natural thingthat you know, our body knows
what to do with it and so ituses it in the way that it needs
to use it.
And so a lot of times that'swhen we, when we see such
benefit, with no, with no badoutcomes, when you're talking
about dosing for differentpeople, you know everyone's
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different.
Some people are really tall,some people are really short,
like everybody's differentphysiologically.
So when we talk about dosing,is there a huge difference
depending on who you are, yourage, those types of things.
If you already have chronicillness, if you don't, is it?
What does the dosing look like?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
This is a great question as well, and I think
it's also a good time to makesure that your listeners know
that I don't want anybody toleave this conversation and say
that well, lewis said we'reusing nutrition to treat disease
.
I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that thenutritional model is altering
I'm sorry, enabling ourphysiology.
In other words, it's providingthe raw materials that the genes
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interpret that information andthen they instruct the cells how
to function and then the body'sown inherent intelligence has
the ability to repair, restoreand heal itself or return itself
to homeostasis.
That is not at all thepharmacological model of taking
one chemical, altering ametabolic pathway to treat a
symptom or a disease acompletely different paradigm.
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So I'm not at all talking abouttreating disease here.
What I'm talking about isproviding materials that are
very powerful, that allow thebody to restore itself.
But to answer and so, with thatsaid, to answer your question,
yes, I definitely, if somebodyhas.
For example, I've worked withsome very severe people with
cancer or severe cancer cases,and so I would recommend to them
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to take a much bigger dose.
They need much more nutritionalsupport to help the body
overcome that, if it can,compared to somebody like myself
, for example, who's basicallytaking them for prevention, and,
of course, anybody who's aroundmiddle age or even older.
Even if you don't have anyhealth challenges, you've
already been exposed to so muchpollution, radiation, all this
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crap floating around in theenvironment today chemicals,
plastics.
You know, maybe you've takentoo many drugs, you've smoked,
you've drank alcohol, you've notexercised, you've eaten a poor
diet, accumulated a lot ofthings that have ultimately not
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led you down a healthy path.
But that person definitelyneeds more nutritional support
than, again, somebody who's beenmore forthright in trying to
take care of him or herself.
So I mean, I'm being kind ofbroad here just to say that, yes
, depending on someone's age andbody size and what their
current health status is, Iwould work with people
individually as much asanybody's interested to try to,
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you know, be very specific inwhat the daily dose should be.
But for the most part I wouldsay that and we have it in both
a powder and a capsule For thepowder, I take two scoops in the
morning and two scoops in theevening.
So two scoops is two and a halfgrams.
So we're talking, you know,roughly 10 grams of material a
day that I take.
But and I'm past middle age buteven though I take care of
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myself, I work out every day, Ieat what I think is a very
optimal diet, but I still knowthat I don't get these
polysaccharides from food and sothey're very important to me.
Again, based on my own research.
I mean, I've seen this stufffor myself.
This isn't like, you know,third-hand information or oh
well, yeah, joe said, do thisand you know this is what will
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happen.
No, this is all published inthe scientific literature,
peer-reviewed, documented foreverybody to see.
And you know, just go topubmedgov.
It's the National Library ofMedicine's clearinghouse
database for all of the indexedscientific information out there
.
Type in my name polysaccharidesand Alzheimer's disease,
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multiple sclerosis, and you'llpull up all of our papers.
Or, if anyone's interested,they can email me and I'll send
them to send you those papers.
But again, all this informationis published.
I mean this isn't you know metrying to be slick or deceptive
or secretive or anything.
It's all out there.
I mean it's widely accessible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, I think it's great.
I mean, you and your team havedefinitely done your homework
and done all of these studiesand I think I think that speaks
a lot to to your passion forthis substance, but also making
sure that your claims aresubstantiated and that you, you
know, you've seen, you've seenit in action and I think that's
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really great.
So anybody out there who's whowants to read about that?
I mean, I'm kind of ascientific paper junkie.
I read them all the time, butthat's just me and I'm
fascinated by it.
Not everyone loves that type ofreading, but if you are someone
who's interested, I think it'sgreat to go out and look for
those and read those studies andsee that information and what
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was found and what wasdiscovered and how it was used.
A lot of times it's veryeyeopening just to kind of to
kind of read those and get adifferent perspective of how
those studies are done and whatthey, what they find.
And so, yeah, I would encourageanyone to go out and find those
and read those.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, the bottom line is you can read some sort of
summary article about anoriginal article, but you're
taking basically you're justtaking whoever wrote the summary
articles word for it, right?
I mean, you're taking thatperson's ability to read a
scientific article and thensummarize it properly, and you
don't know if that person iswriting it because they have
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some sort of bias or they'vebeen paid by big pharma or big
food to say something that youknow it's maybe bending the
truth or trying to.
I mean, in my case, I could seebig pharma coming after me
because we're showing incredibleeffects of these
polysaccharides that ultimatelywould have a significant impact
(26:57):
on their bottom line.
I mean, big pharma doesn't wanthealthy people, they want sick
people, and that's not aconspiracy theory, that is fact
yeah big pharma needs sickpeople, otherwise they're not in
business.
so there's no benefit to ourcountry being healthy.
They need sick people,otherwise they don't make money.
So that's not a conspiracytheory, that's fact.
(27:20):
But, again to your point.
I mean, read the articlesyourself and people.
Can you know if anybody'sinterested listening to this and
wants to read our articles onAlzheimer's and multiple
sclerosis?
I'm very proud of all of thatwork we've conducted and I'm
happy to share those articlesbecause it's basically my life's
work and it spurred me from acareer in research where I was
(27:45):
not intending to go out intobusiness but because I couldn't
get NIH and Alzheimer'sAssociation to give me more
funding to extend this research,which, oh, by the way, only
happened because of thegenerosity of a family who lost
four family members toAlzheimer's disease and the wife
of the husband and wife heardDr McDaniel giving a lecture and
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she felt very inspired by thework that he was doing
anecdotally, and so she and herhusband agreed to give us, or
give him, this money forresearch and he was not
affiliated with the universityat that point in his life and he
called me and he said hey, john, we have the opportunity to do
a clinical trial with thepolysaccharides.
We just have to do it inAlzheimer's.
(28:26):
And so that's how I wouldn'teven be sitting here talking to
you today if it wasn't for thegenerosity of this one family,
because, I mean, you just don'tfind the government or these
foundations supporting that kindof research.
They're not interested in it.
They don't want to supportnutrition research.
They want to support researchon chemicals or something
(28:49):
related to genetics that theycan then license with big pharma
or with a biotech company to beable to make millions or
billions of dollars.
And again, that's not aconspiracy theory, that's fact
and nobody can tell me otherwise, because that was the life I
lived for 20 years, so I know itfirsthand.
I don't care about anybody'sopinion on that topic either.
Nobody can tell me otherwisebecause I lived it and I chose
(29:13):
to get out of it.
Being in business in thedietary supplement industries no
boleteries either, boleterieseither I've already had one
company basically stealing myformula and selling, selling my
product as their own.
But yeah, whatever I, I, youknow it.
Just there are lots of scummypeople out there in the world
that do bad things, and so youjust keep going and doing what
(29:34):
you do and I'm very passionateabout what I'm doing and this is
what I'm going to continuedoing until I take my last
breath, if that's one more dayor 40 more years or something in
between, whatever, but I knowthat my product helps people.
My research is very good andthat's all that matters to me at
(29:54):
this point and continuing tomove forward and building my
business and spreading thismessage of how polysaccharides
can help people.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, I love that.
I'm always supportive of anyonewho's trying to help people,
who's trying to do the rightthing, who's talking about how
nutrition can help us.
I mean, there's just there's somany things that we can do that
aren't being expressed outthere.
There's so many things that wecan do that aren't being
expressed out there, and so thefact that you've spent so much
(30:22):
time doing the work, doing theresearch and then getting it out
there for people is reallyamazing.
So, speaking of getting it outthere for people, where can
people find you if they want toreach out, if they want to find
more information, if they wantto reach out for your research
studies any of that where canpeople find you?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you for that.
Well, the best source ofinformation, in terms of the
most comprehensive information,would be drlewisnutritioncom.
That's D-R no period Lewis,L-E-W-I-S nutritioncom.
We have all the major socialmedia channels that handle Dr
Lewis Nutrition as well.
But again, on our website wehave articles, we've got blogs,
(30:59):
we've got podcasts like this one, product reviews, testimonials
I mean, we've got a literal tonof information there and so
anybody can go there.
We have our email address there, phone number there.
If people are interested inasking me questions about the
research, our products, effects,I mean anything.
I'm happy to help anybody whohas an interest.
(31:21):
And again, as we mentionedbefore, if you'd like to read
those articles, I'm happy tosend you those PDFs.
But I'm grateful for theopportunity today to talk to you
and have this conversation andhopefully at least one person
will feel inspired by it andwant to learn more.
And you know it's just buildingthis platform one step at a
time and connecting with onelife at a time and hopefully
(31:44):
that person making you know,having a grassroots effort of
building this message andspreading this message and
hopefully, over the rest of mylife, continuing to make a
difference in as many people'slives as I can.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that and anybodylistening.
Don't worry, I'll put all ofthat information into the show
notes.
So if you can't write it down,if you're driving something like
that, just go back into thosenotes.
You can easily get a clickablelink to get directly to Dr
Lewis's website or social mediais whatever it is that you're
looking for, and I reallyencourage all of you to reach
(32:27):
out, ask questions, look upthose scientific papers,
whatever is speaking to youright now.
I encourage you to reach outand get more answers Now, while
it's fresh in your mind, whileyou're thinking about it.
Do that, because these arethings that are just going to
help you in the long run andeverybody, everybody loves and
wants that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
So, yeah, no I was just going to say, I don't know
if I didn't even.
I don't think I even mentionedthe flagship product by name
daily brain care, just soeverybody's clear.
If they're, if they're curiousis what we call our flagship
product, based on all of thoseclinical trials.
So just for clarity sake, Idon't think I mentioned the name
(33:06):
of the product at this point,but it's daily brain care.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's a good point, yes, Sometimes, sometimes people
.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, if I'm giving a lecture where it's a
CME level event, then obviouslyI can't even mention my own
company name, let alone thebrand of the product.
So I'll have people immediatelywhat's the name of this product
, you know?
So I just want to make surepeople are clear what the name
of the product is.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Absolutely.
I'll put that in the notes too,just so that when you guys go
to the website, you, if you'reconfused or can't remember, I'll
put that there, just so thatyou remember, uh, the product
name that we've been talkingabout.
Um as well.
But always ask questions.
If you, if you have anyquestions, reach out to Dr Lewis
and ask him questions.
I'm sure he'll help you findwhat you're looking for.
But um definitely yeah, thankyou so much for being on the
show today.
Thank Thanks for sharing yourresearch and all the work that
you've been doing, and that'sfantastic information.
(34:00):
I think this is something thatis beneficial for people and
it's not something that's outthere readily available for
people to know and to find, andso I appreciate you being on the
show today and sharing thatwith everyone so that anyone
listening has this knowledge andinformation now as well.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Thank you so much again for the opportunity.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Absolutely, and thank you everyone for listening and
joining us again and we willcatch you on our next episode.
Bye-bye.
Hi everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof Functionally Autoimmune.
I'm so happy that you're herewith me today.
I have a fantastic guest on theshow that I know you're going
to love.
Dr John Lewis is here with ustoday.
He's the founder of Dr LewisNutrition and so many other
things I can't wait to hearabout.
Thank you so much for being onthe show with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thank you, Brandy.
It's my pleasure to be here.
I really look forward to ourconversation today.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, me too.
Before we really get started, Iwant you to give us a little
bit more information about you.
How did you end up in thisfield of nutrition and
supplements and just health ingeneral?
What led you in that direction?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh gosh, that goes all the way back to when I was a
little kid, when my grandfatherstarted pitching baseball to me
in the backyard when I was Idon't know four or five years
old, and it put me on a path ofplaying sports.
And then I got after highschool.
I got into drug-freecompetitive bodybuilding in
college and I did that forseveral years, but I was not
(00:58):
willing to go down a path ofagain taking drugs and, you know
, doing a lot of things thatpeople in bodybuilding
ultimately get into, which, Imean, if you make a living at it
, I guess that's okay, but Idon't think a lot of people are
actually making that much moneyas bodybuilders.
But anyway, I shifted my focusinto health from I guess you
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could call it more of physicalsports performance perspective
into more of a healthperformance perspective, into
more of a health performanceperspective, although I will say
that bodybuilding definitelyoriented me more into looking at
how nutrition and exerciseshould be utilized or can be
utilized for specific purposes.
I think really, before gettinginto bodybuilding, I probably
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looked at food and activity justlike most other people did.
I was either eating for taste,not for health, and I was moving
, or playing sports just becausethat was what I enjoyed doing.
It was, you know, something funto do with my friends.
It wasn't because I said, well,I'm, you know, moving around a
lot.
Today.
It's reducing my risk of heartdisease.
(02:01):
You know, there was noorientation or perspective about
such things, but again, eventhough I didn't end up
bodybuilding competitively fortoo many years, it definitely
was.
I would say one of those shiftsin my life that helped me to be
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where I am today, but evenprobably more significantly than
that, was meeting two peopleabout 20 years ago who
introduced me to their ownperspectives of the use of
polysaccharides, which not onlychanged my career, they changed
my life.
I mean, I owe those two peopleso much Dr Reg McDaniel on the
aloe vera side and BarbaraKimley on the rice bran side.
(02:44):
I met these two people whoshared with me their
perspectives and theirexperiences with these two
polysaccharides, which I meangosh.
Up until that point I had noclue.
I mean literally maybe a coupleof lectures in biochemistry
about saccharides in general,but no idea what those things
(03:05):
could do beyond just being asource of fuel for the cells.
I had no clue, and so it led medown a path of research, and
here it's been now about almost20 years looking at how these
polysaccharides, these complexsugars from aloe vera and rice
bran, are just so darnbeneficial for health.
And it's again it's been on.
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I've been on a long journey nowfor all these years, but I feel
like there are many more thingsto do and it's the drive for me
every day.
It's really my obsession withthe research we ended up
conducting in people withmoderate to severe Alzheimer's
disease, which I'm no longer inacademics full time.
(03:48):
I'm now in business selling myproducts from that research.
But again it completely changedwhat I was doing.
I mean, it didn't, it wasnothing planned, let's put it
that way.
It just you're in the rightplace at the right time or you
meet people that come into yourlife for whatever reason you
can't explain, but it ends upjust taking you in an entirely
(04:08):
different avenue or street.
And so here I am today.
You know, on this sort ofjourney of spreading a message
about polysaccharides from AloeVera and Rice Brand, that 99% of
the people I talked to werejust like me.
They had no clue what numberone.
Nobody knows what apolysaccharide is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was going to say, for anyone listening who doesn't
know what that is maybe you'venever even heard the term Can
you give us a little bit of abreakdown on what a
polysaccharide is and why youfeel like it's so important?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Absolutely so.
First of all, we as Americanshave been literally conditioned
for the last what?
40, 50 years to think thatanytime we hear the word sugar,
immediately what do you thinkBad?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Bad yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Bad, right.
There's just no doubt in yourmind that you hear the word
sugar, you immediately think bad.
You may like the fact that it'ssweet and it tastes good, but
ultimately, at the end of theday, you oh, it's bad.
The problem with that thought,though, is that mother nature
provides us with lots ofdifferent types of sugars, and
so there are two very importantcharacteristics about any sugar
(05:18):
that you have to consider, andso anytime somebody says the
blanket statement all sugar isbad for me me as a scientist, as
an author, as somebody who'svery particular about the
language I'm sorry, that's anignorant statement and it's a
very uninformed statement.
So what do I mean by that?
Again, sugars are defined by atleast two major characteristics
(05:39):
One, their source and two,their biochemical structure.
So a monosaccharide, thesimplest form of sugar, the best
example was high fructose cornsyrup.
If you're consuming that stuffevery day, you're spiking your
insulin, you're spiking yourglucose, you're setting in
motion all of these badmetabolic effects that,
ultimately, you will pay fordown the road with diabetes,
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heart disease, cancer, maybe allthe above.
So I think most people, we canall agree that eating a lot of
high fructose corn syrup is badfor us.
That's the simplest form ofsugar.
The next more complex sugar isa disaccharide, something like
table sugar or sucrose.
Again, I would say that mostpeople would agree that eating
table sugar every day isprobably not the best idea for
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health.
But then the most complex formof sugars are polysaccharides.
These things are so dense incontent they cannot even be
drawn, they literally cannot bedrawn on a piece of paper.
They're like 5D structuresbasically, but they are so dense
and coated with informationthat this is the type of
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information our cells utilize,guided by the genes, to function
.
And so these polysaccharidesfrom aloe vera and rice bran I
would put up against anythingelse mother nature provides for
us for health, for a healthpromoting effect, and I mean
there are certainly things likecurcumin out there that have
been widely studied, obviouslyvery beneficial, have lots of
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healing effects, but again,based on not just our research
here at the University of Miamibut other researchers around the
world, time after time, youjust see the amazing
health-promoting effects thatthese polysaccharides have.
So I'm asking your listeners andanybody that's hearing this
message to make sure that youdon't throw the baby out with
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the bathwater and be mindful ofthe language, because the ones
from aloe vera and rice bran areactually very good for us.
There's nothing bad about them,there's no downside to taking
them, and I don't care if you'reinto the carnivore movement or
whatever your dietary philosophyis.
A few hundred milligrams or acouple of grams of these
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polysaccharides from these twoplants every day is not going to
ruin your ketosis status or,you know, disrupt your carnivore
craze or whatever that isstatus, or, you know, disrupt
your carnivore craze or whateverthat is.
These things have suchincredible health promoting
benefits and they are nothinglike sucrose or high fructose
corn syrup.
So let's get that straight.
We need to be very clear aboutthe language and the use of the
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term properly.
So these are complex sugarsthat are actually very good for
us.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I think that's really an important point is not
to be afraid of everything justbecause it has a word that
seems scary for other reasons.
So can you go into a little bitabout these specific?
You mentioned aloe vera and youmentioned rice bran.
So these specificpolysaccharides, can you go into
?
What about them makes themreally important for us?
What kind of things can they dofor us?
(08:32):
Why should we be looking forthem?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, first of all, no one that I know of.
I mean, even though we live inMiami, we have aloe vera growing
in our backyard.
I don't know anyone.
I don't know about you.
I don't know anyone who eatsaloe vera.
So a lot of times when peoplehear me give a lecture and I'm
talking about the research, oneof the typical things that
somebody in the audience willthink of is oh well, I'm just
going to go start eating aloevera gel.
(08:55):
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Aloe vera gel is 99% water andthen you have other materials.
Once you freeze dry it, takeall the water out, then you have
other materials in there.
I mean it's actually gotliterally everything amino acids
, fatty acids, vitamins,minerals, these polysaccharides,
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elements, cofactors I meanthere are thousands of different
materials in that aloe vera gelonce you extract the water out.
But you need to have itconcentrated into a dose that
you can have an actualtherapeutic or physiological
benefit.
So again, this is a veryspecial let's call it situation
(09:36):
where you can't just replacethese things by eating more.
I don't know sweet potatoes, oryou know celery, or lettuce, or
spinach or something else.
These are very specificcompounds from this particular
plant.
The same with rice bran.
70 to 80% of the rice sold inthe world is white rice.
(09:57):
Well, rice has three majorcomponents to it.
You've got the outer husk orhull.
That's inedible, so that getstaken off.
The very next layer is the branand that also, again, most of
the rice that's sold in theworld gets stripped off and
that's either thrown away or fedto livestock.
So actually, most of the time,if it's not thrown away, the
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cows or the pigs or the chickensare eating the most beneficial
part of the rice, and that whiteendosperm that's left over is
what we call white rice.
That, again, most of the worldeats.
So if you're eating some brownrice you're actually getting
some of that nutritionalmaterial that the rice plant
provides to us.
But again, I would still arguethat, and especially if you're
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past middle age and you'redealing with some really serious
health challenge, you'reprobably not going to get enough
of that rice bran unless you'reeating a gallon of brown rice
every day.
So again, these are veryspecial compounds that it really
requires a dietary supplementto enjoy the benefits of nature.
And I'm not telling any of ourlisteners that you can eat a
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crappy diet and then just takethese polysaccharides and you're
going to be optimally healthy.
You can't, as you know, youcan't supplement your way to
good health.
But what I'm telling you isthat these polysaccharides have
the ability to fill in the gapsnutritionally where most people
are lacking today, due to awhole host of reasons, as you
know.
And so these are just veryspecial compounds that
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ultimately they do severalthings.
Number one they're basicallysignaling mechanisms for our
immune system.
And what does that mean?
Well, our immune system is muchmore than just our first line
of defense against infection.
Our immune system is actuallylike the conductor of the
symphony orchestra.
If the orchestra is all of ourother major organ systems, the
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immune system is the conductorand it's talking to all the
other major organ systems andit's keeping the symphony in
balance, or that's what it'strying to do.
All of our major organ systemsneed to be in balance.
It's very crucial that theimmune system is modulated,
surveillance, functional andable to do that job.
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Otherwise, you can't possiblyexpect the cardiovascular system
, the endocrine system, thecentral nervous system, all the
other major systems, to be doingtheir job appropriately as well
.
So that's a very important rolethat, again, these
polysaccharides help to signalto the immune system to then do
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what it does and keepingeverything else in balance.
We've also showed in ourresearch I mentioned infections
they're absolutely able to helpthe body fight off infection,
whether it's virus, bacteria,fungus, whatever.
It helps to lower chronicinflammation.
We know that everything I mean.
You cannot think of any onechronic disease that doesn't
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have a chronic inflammatorycomponent to it.
So that's very important totamper down that chronic
inflammation.
We know that it helps to turnon the adult stem cell
production process.
So as we age, unfortunately welose that capacity, just like so
many other things.
We get weaker, we get fatter,we are telomere shortened all
these other things bad happen tous as we age.
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But we can help to improve thatproduction of adult stem cells.
Again, it's like a signalingmechanism for those CD14 cells.
That's one of the things that wepublished.
It helps to rebalance thedifferent components of our
immune system.
So we have this ongoingbalancing act between the pro
side of inflammation and theanti side of inflammation.
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We need to try to keep that inbalance as much as possible.
Again, if we're involved in anauto accident or we have a
broken bone or a torn ligamentor something, then we need those
pro signals going off and doingtheir job.
But once that acute damage getsrepaired, then we need the anti
side to come in and shut downthose signals.
If they can't get shut down,then that's where that chronic
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inflammation takes over andagain.
These polysaccharides help toregulate and balance that.
So I mean there are just awhole host of things.
We've published gosh, just fromour Alzheimer's and multiple
sclerosis studies.
We've published seven papers.
Then from our HIV,non-alcoholic, fatty liver
disease and healthy subjectsclinical trials, we published
another, I think, six or sevenpapers.
(14:18):
So we're talking like 13, 14articles we've published just
from our research at theuniversity of Miami over the
last almost two decades, not tomention again lots of other
things around the world.
So these are very specialcompounds that do a lot of
different things mechanisticallywith very specific effects that
ultimately lead to betterhealth.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, which is amazing because that's what
everyone wants.
Everyone wants health andlongevity and not to be in the
hospital, not to be suffering inold age and all of those things
.
So when we're talking aboutthese polysaccharide compounds,
are we looking for both of them?
Do we need each of them?
Is there a combination that isimportant?
Is it one or the other?
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What does that look like?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Absolutely.
So I took the best of all ofour research and, again looking
at from Dr McDaniel's side, thealoe vera side and Ms Kimley the
rice bran side, and I've putthese together in the formula
that we call today daily braincare saccharides.
(15:22):
But if you drill down just alittle bit deeper, they're
similar but yet distinct and sothey have very complimentary yet
slightly different effects onthe, the body.
I mean, you know, unfortunatelywe're limited in terms of what
we can conclusively say due tomoney, right, I mean
unfortunately, at the end of theday, you need money to conduct
(15:43):
research.
We can't do this work for free,so we only know what we've
studied so far.
I mean we've, we've published alot and we've studied a lot,
but there are just gosh Brandy,I mean, if we had, you know,
bill Gates's money, or someWarren Buffett, you know
somebody like that, they're allsort.
I mean we're not.
We're not in short supply ofideas or questions, we're in
(16:08):
short supply of funding to beable to run those studies, to
answer all these questions thatwe have.
But again, it's just incrediblehow many different effects
we've already published and thenwhat else we believe could
happen.
I mean, and a lot of thesethings, of course, are due to,
you know, individual customersor anecdotal cases.
But yes, I mean, you're not.
There's no problem with puttingthese things together, almost
like a multivitamin mineralcomplex and, you know, putting
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several different thingstogether at once and then
enjoying the benefit of all that.
There's no hypo responsiveness.
I mean, there's no such thing,as you know.
Oh well, I'm just going to takeit for a month and then I'm,
you know, I'm done forever.
No, you, you take these thingsevery day.
I mean, oxygen is our firstnutrient and then after that we
need vitamins, we need minerals,we need these other
macronutrients.
(16:51):
And in my opinion I mean, I'vebeen on my own formula for 10
years.
I've had my mother on it foralmost 15.
My wife was uh, has been on itfor over five when she got
pregnant the first time.
She's pregnant again.
Our daughter just turned fourback in March.
I've had her on it since Iintroduced solid food in her
diet at six months.
So you know, this isn't justabout treatment or dealing with
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a health challenge when you getit.
This is about preventing thatstuff in the first place, which
to me is just as important.
As you know, again, you'rebeing diagnosed with something.
And now, what do you do?
No well, let's prevent stufffrom happening to us like that
in the first place, and again Iwould argue that these materials
are are just as beneficial forthat as anything else that
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mother nature provides to us.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I love that and I'm always pro.
You know natural naturalresources.
So you know, like you mentionedearlier, nature provides all of
these different options for us,and it does it for a reason, and
it does it because there arethings that, more often than not
, they're things that our bodyneeds.
I mean, obviously, there's toxicthings out there that we
shouldn't be eating, but youknow, a lot of these things are
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created for our own health andfor our own benefit, and so I
love that you have found theseelements that are provided in
nature, that are there for us,these elements that are provided
in nature, that are there forus, that are things that our
body knows and needs and knowswhat to do with, because there's
so much that we eat today thatis not food, it's not natural
and it's not something that ourbody even recognizes as a
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substance that it wants to use.
So I think this is really greatthat you've found these things.
You've done the research,you're seeing it, doing great
things with your own family,with yourself and with the
people that you've had in theseresearch studies.
So you mentioned you give it toyour four-year-old child as
well.
So I think that makes it apretty good case that it's safe,
it's something that's not goingto harm you.
(18:40):
And my other question was goingto be is there any downside
whatsoever of having thesecompounds in your life?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Not a bit.
And remember I started her atsix months.
I would have given them to herfrom day one, but you know the
polysaccharide material is alittle dense, so it wouldn't.
There was no way to give it toher, you know, until she learned
how to swallow and you knowdrink fluid better.
And usually the recommendationis you start introducing solid
foods to a human at six months.
So, but I mean I would havegiven it to her at day one.
But no, there was absolutely nodownside.
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And I mentioned my own family'suse.
Number one, because I would bea hypocrite if I was selling
something that I wasn't takingfor myself or I wasn't, my
family wasn't using.
But number two, literally fromcradle to grave and all of us in
between, there's no downside totaking these polysaccharides.
I mean I, dr McDaniel, and Ihave never discovered, for
(19:35):
example, any medication, be itover the counter or prescription
, that you'd be concerned abouthaving some sort of an adverse
interaction with.
There's no such thing like that, of course, any other dietary
supplement, any type of diet.
I mean there's literallynothing that we've discovered.
And he's been at this since,actually, the almost 40 years.
(19:56):
This is going back to justbeyond, like 1985, 86.
So he's going now into like 40years of this.
He's about 20 years ahead of me, but combined together I mean
we're talking about nearly 60years of experience between the
two of us, not to mention allthe other people that he
previously worked with in someof the research before he and I
met.
But you're talking aboutliterally a couple of hundred
(20:19):
combined years of experienceamong all of us where there's
literally no downside.
I mean there's, you have.
You have everything to gain andnothing to lose of taking again
and again if you're into thecarnivore thing, that's fine,
you know, but take your 500milligrams, or even a couple of
(20:39):
grams of these polysaccharidesevery day along with your red
meat, and you know you'll enjoythe benefit.
I mean, there's nothing, I, I,there's no case, in other words,
in nearly 20 years of doingthis, both in research and now
in business, where I've seen ohno, you shouldn't take these.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
That's really great too,because and I and I think too
it's it's such a natural thingthat you know, our body knows
what to do with it and so ituses it in the way that it needs
to use it.
And so a lot of times that'swhen we, when we see such
benefit, with no, with no badoutcomes, when you're talking
about dosing for differentpeople, you know everyone's
(21:18):
different.
Some people are really tall,some people are really short,
like everybody's differentphysiologically.
So when we talk about dosing,is there a huge difference
depending on who you are, yourage, those types of things.
If you already have chronicillness, if you don't, is it?
What does the dosing look like?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
This is a great question as well, and I think
it's also a good time to makesure that your listeners know
that I don't want anybody toleave this conversation and say
that well, lewis said we'reusing nutrition to treat disease
.
I'm not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that thenutritional model is altering
I'm sorry, enabling ourphysiology.
In other words, it's providingthe raw materials that the genes
(21:59):
interpret that information andthen they instruct the cells how
to function and then the body'sown inherent intelligence has
the ability to repair, restoreand heal itself or return itself
to homeostasis.
That is not at all thepharmacological model of taking
one chemical, altering ametabolic pathway to treat a
symptom or a disease acompletely different paradigm.
(22:21):
So I'm not at all talking abouttreating disease here.
What I'm talking about isproviding materials that are
very powerful, that allow thebody to restore itself.
But to answer and so, with thatsaid, to answer your question,
yes, I definitely, if somebodyhas.
For example, I've worked withsome very severe people with
cancer or severe cancer cases,and so I would recommend to them
(22:44):
to take a much bigger dose.
They need much more nutritionalsupport to help the body
overcome that, if it can,compared to somebody like myself
, for example, who's basicallytaking them for prevention, and,
of course, anybody who's aroundmiddle age or even older.
Even if you don't have anyhealth challenges, you've
already been exposed to so muchpollution, radiation, all this
(23:06):
crap floating around in theenvironment today chemicals,
plastics.
You know, maybe you've takentoo many drugs, you've smoked,
you've drank alcohol, you've notexercised, you've eaten a poor
diet, accumulated a lot ofthings that have ultimately not
(23:29):
led you down a healthy path.
But that person definitelyneeds more nutritional support
than, again, somebody who's beenmore forthright in trying to
take care of him or herself.
So I mean, I'm being kind ofbroad here just to say that, yes
, depending on someone's age andbody size and what their
current health status is, Iwould work with people
individually as much asanybody's interested to try to,
(23:49):
you know, be very specific inwhat the daily dose should be.
But for the most part I wouldsay that and we have it in both
a powder and a capsule For thepowder, I take two scoops in the
morning and two scoops in theevening.
So two scoops is two and a halfgrams.
So we're talking, you know,roughly 10 grams of material a
day that I take.
But and I'm past middle age buteven though I take care of
(24:12):
myself, I work out every day, Ieat what I think is a very
optimal diet, but I still knowthat I don't get these
polysaccharides from food and sothey're very important to me.
Again, based on my own research.
I mean, I've seen this stufffor myself.
This isn't like, you know,third-hand information or oh
well, yeah, joe said, do thisand you know this is what will
(24:35):
happen.
No, this is all published inthe scientific literature,
peer-reviewed, documented foreverybody to see.
And you know, just go topubmedgov.
It's the National Library ofMedicine's clearinghouse
database for all of the indexedscientific information out there
.
Type in my name polysaccharidesand Alzheimer's disease,
(24:56):
multiple sclerosis, and you'llpull up all of our papers.
Or, if anyone's interested,they can email me and I'll send
them to send you those papers.
But again, all this informationis published.
I mean this isn't you know metrying to be slick or deceptive
or secretive or anything.
It's all out there.
I mean it's widely accessible.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, I think it's great.
I mean, you and your team havedefinitely done your homework
and done all of these studiesand I think I think that speaks
a lot to to your passion forthis substance, but also making
sure that your claims aresubstantiated and that you, you
know, you've seen, you've seenit in action and I think that's
(25:37):
really great.
So anybody out there who's whowants to read about that?
I mean, I'm kind of ascientific paper junkie.
I read them all the time, butthat's just me and I'm
fascinated by it.
Not everyone loves that type ofreading, but if you are someone
who's interested, I think it'sgreat to go out and look for
those and read those studies andsee that information and what
(25:58):
was found and what wasdiscovered and how it was used.
A lot of times it's veryeyeopening just to kind of to
kind of read those and get adifferent perspective of how
those studies are done and whatthey, what they find.
And so, yeah, I would encourageanyone to go out and find those
and read those.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, the bottom line is you can read some sort of
summary article about anoriginal article, but you're
taking basically you're justtaking whoever wrote the summary
articles word for it, right?
I mean, you're taking thatperson's ability to read a
scientific article and thensummarize it properly, and you
don't know if that person iswriting it because they have
(26:36):
some sort of bias or they'vebeen paid by big pharma or big
food to say something that youknow it's maybe bending the
truth or trying to.
I mean, in my case, I could seebig pharma coming after me
because we're showing incredibleeffects of these
polysaccharides that ultimatelywould have a significant impact
(26:57):
on their bottom line.
I mean, big pharma doesn't wanthealthy people, they want sick
people, and that's not aconspiracy theory, that is fact
yeah big pharma needs sickpeople, otherwise they're not in
business.
so there's no benefit to ourcountry being healthy.
They need sick people,otherwise they don't make money.
So that's not a conspiracytheory, that's fact.
(27:20):
But, again to your point.
I mean, read the articlesyourself and people.
Can you know if anybody'sinterested listening to this and
wants to read our articles onAlzheimer's and multiple
sclerosis?
I'm very proud of all of thatwork we've conducted and I'm
happy to share those articlesbecause it's basically my life's
work and it spurred me from acareer in research where I was
(27:45):
not intending to go out intobusiness but because I couldn't
get NIH and Alzheimer'sAssociation to give me more
funding to extend this research,which, oh, by the way, only
happened because of thegenerosity of a family who lost
four family members toAlzheimer's disease and the wife
of the husband and wife heardDr McDaniel giving a lecture and
(28:06):
she felt very inspired by thework that he was doing
anecdotally, and so she and herhusband agreed to give us, or
give him, this money forresearch and he was not
affiliated with the universityat that point in his life and he
called me and he said hey, john, we have the opportunity to do
a clinical trial with thepolysaccharides.
We just have to do it inAlzheimer's.
(28:26):
And so that's how I wouldn'teven be sitting here talking to
you today if it wasn't for thegenerosity of this one family,
because, I mean, you just don'tfind the government or these
foundations supporting that kindof research.
They're not interested in it.
They don't want to supportnutrition research.
They want to support researchon chemicals or something
(28:49):
related to genetics that theycan then license with big pharma
or with a biotech company to beable to make millions or
billions of dollars.
And again, that's not aconspiracy theory, that's fact
and nobody can tell me otherwise, because that was the life I
lived for 20 years, so I know itfirsthand.
I don't care about anybody'sopinion on that topic either.
Nobody can tell me otherwisebecause I lived it and I chose
(29:13):
to get out of it.
Being in business in thedietary supplement industries no
boleteries either, boleterieseither I've already had one
company basically stealing myformula and selling, selling my
product as their own.
But yeah, whatever I, I, youknow it.
Just there are lots of scummypeople out there in the world
that do bad things, and so youjust keep going and doing what
(29:34):
you do and I'm very passionateabout what I'm doing and this is
what I'm going to continuedoing until I take my last
breath, if that's one more dayor 40 more years or something in
between, whatever, but I knowthat my product helps people.
My research is very good andthat's all that matters to me at
(29:54):
this point and continuing tomove forward and building my
business and spreading thismessage of how polysaccharides
can help people.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, I love that.
I'm always supportive of anyonewho's trying to help people,
who's trying to do the rightthing, who's talking about how
nutrition can help us.
I mean, there's just there's somany things that we can do that
aren't being expressed outthere.
There's so many things that wecan do that aren't being
expressed out there, and so thefact that you've spent so much
(30:22):
time doing the work, doing theresearch and then getting it out
there for people is reallyamazing.
So, speaking of getting it outthere for people, where can
people find you if they want toreach out, if they want to find
more information, if they wantto reach out for your research
studies any of that where canpeople find you?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you for that.
Well, the best source ofinformation, in terms of the
most comprehensive information,would be drlewisnutritioncom.
That's D-R no period Lewis,L-E-W-I-S nutritioncom.
We have all the major socialmedia channels that handle Dr
Lewis Nutrition as well.
But again, on our website wehave articles, we've got blogs,
(30:59):
we've got podcasts like this one, product reviews, testimonials
I mean, we've got a literal tonof information there and so
anybody can go there.
We have our email address there, phone number there.
If people are interested inasking me questions about the
research, our products, effects,I mean anything.
I'm happy to help anybody whohas an interest.
(31:21):
And again, as we mentionedbefore, if you'd like to read
those articles, I'm happy tosend you those PDFs.
But I'm grateful for theopportunity today to talk to you
and have this conversation andhopefully at least one person
will feel inspired by it andwant to learn more.
And you know it's just buildingthis platform one step at a
time and connecting with onelife at a time and hopefully
(31:44):
that person making you know,having a grassroots effort of
building this message andspreading this message and
hopefully, over the rest of mylife, continuing to make a
difference in as many people'slives as I can.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that and anybodylistening.
Don't worry, I'll put all ofthat information into the show
notes.
So if you can't write it down,if you're driving something like
that, just go back into thosenotes.
You can easily get a clickablelink to get directly to Dr
Lewis's website or social mediais whatever it is that you're
looking for, and I reallyencourage all of you to reach
(32:27):
out, ask questions, look upthose scientific papers,
whatever is speaking to youright now.
I encourage you to reach outand get more answers Now, while
it's fresh in your mind, whileyou're thinking about it.
Do that, because these arethings that are just going to
help you in the long run andeverybody, everybody loves and
wants that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
So, yeah, no I was just going to say, I don't know
if I didn't even.
I don't think I even mentionedthe flagship product by name
daily brain care, just soeverybody's clear.
If they're, if they're curiousis what we call our flagship
product, based on all of thoseclinical trials.
So just for clarity sake, Idon't think I mentioned the name
(33:06):
of the product at this point,but it's daily brain care.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's a good point, yes, Sometimes, sometimes people
.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, if I'm giving a lecture where it's a
CME level event, then obviouslyI can't even mention my own
company name, let alone thebrand of the product.
So I'll have people immediatelywhat's the name of this product
, you know?
So I just want to make surepeople are clear what the name
of the product is.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Absolutely.
I'll put that in the notes too,just so that when you guys go
to the website, you, if you'reconfused or can't remember, I'll
put that there, just so thatyou remember, uh, the product
name that we've been talkingabout.
Um as well.
But always ask questions.
If you, if you have anyquestions, reach out to Dr Lewis
and ask him questions.
I'm sure he'll help you findwhat you're looking for.
But um definitely yeah, thankyou so much for being on the
show today.
Thank Thanks for sharing yourresearch and all the work that
you've been doing, and that'sfantastic information.
(34:00):
I think this is something thatis beneficial for people and
it's not something that's outthere readily available for
people to know and to find, andso I appreciate you being on the
show today and sharing thatwith everyone so that anyone
listening has this knowledge andinformation now as well.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Thank you so much again for the opportunity.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Absolutely, and thank you everyone for listening and
joining us again and we willcatch you on our next episode.
Bye-bye.
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