December 17, 2025 • 41 mins
Have you ever questioned the traditional consulting practices in the architecture and construction industry? We invite you to a thought-provoking conversation with Jay Lada, a distinguished innovator and 'architect'. Jay challenges the status quo and introduces us to the empowering concept of anarchy and its potential to unboss structures. Tune in as we discuss the application of AI in creating safe corridors and improving efficiency in the construction space.
As we journey with Jay, we discover the impact of life experiences on shaping our perspectives and career paths. Jay's diverse career trajectory, from the diamond business to dreams of being an astronaut, provides a rich tapestry of insights. He stresses the criticality of multi-perspectivity to comprehend the complex world and shares his journey of bridging the communication gap across industries.
Our exploration doesn't stop there. We dive headfirst into the world of technology and its potential to optimize work and life. We delve deep into the technological layers of data-centered businesses and the creative solutions that can emerge from understanding the multi-perspectivity of problems. Hear about the transformative potential of robotic process automation, immersive technologies, and get a glimpse into the future with urban mining and 3D printing. Get ready to have your horizons broadened with this engaging and enlightening discourse.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hi everyone, welcome to the Future Construct podcast.
I am your host, Amy Peck.
I am very excited for today'sguest, who is a very good friend
of mine, who I've known foryears, mr Jay Lada.
Hi, jay, hey, hello.
So, jay, you've had a storiedcareer which we're going to get
(00:32):
into in a moment.
You've been an advisor to manycompanies.
You were head of innovation atBMW.
You have been consulting withsome of the largest companies in
the world.
You are a fusionist and, Ibelieve, coined the term an
(00:56):
architect as opposed toarchitect, and that's very
relevant because we are focusedon architecture, engineering and
construction on this podcast.
But you are part of ourFutureist series and I know we
have thoughts about thatparticular word.
But the way I'm thinking aboutit, what I'm hoping to do here
(01:19):
is go beyond really the verticalspecific solutions and really
talk about where we're headedglobally as humans, how business
, products and services aregoing to change fundamentally
with technology.
And you are right in the thickof it.
(01:39):
But why an architect as opposedto architect?
Well, start there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So an architect came because many in the consulting
business I prefer to see myselfinstead as an advisor or
counselor Consulting is simplyso worn out in the same way like
a Futureist is worn out so manysimply want clear, actionable
(02:10):
items.
So best is you have a book, yougive them the book, page 15
till 98, and this is how youhave to do it.
So I came out of my experiencein my whole professional life
for bigger companies likeSiemens, like BMW, like in the
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banking area, if it was fiducia,if it was a hypocredit and so
on, there were always thesepatterns, which means we are
putting processes and layers ofhierarchies into everything and
then we start to mess it up.
I'm strongly believing inanarchy.
(02:54):
Anarchy is not this destructive.
This is mostly when people arethrowing stones and so on.
This is anomy.
This is not anarchy.
The pure idea behind anarchy isbelieving into your own skills,
having a self organized system.
So, in fact, even directdemocracy is, in fact, a radical
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interpretation that might leadinto anarchy.
When everyone is participating,when everyone is trying to
change something and thisbrought me into this Everyone
wants to have an architect thathelps them to build their
projects, to help them withtheir products and so on.
So I'm bringing this anarchyinto it, teaching the people how
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to help themselves, how tounboss the structures so that
even the boss starts to be avaluable part of the overall
team.
Then you see that the magicstarts to spark and the people
start to be creative again.
They start to think how we'vebeen as children.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I love that when we first met, you were on a panel
years ago that I was moderatingand I remember that the other
two panelists and they weregreat, but I was just like.
I love the way you think andwhat you just described is
something that I think I'm a bigbeliever in, that we need in
(04:23):
business and, I think, beingrelevant to our audience just
for a moment, in the AECindustry you have factions of
companies who are reallyembracing technology and pushing
it forward, but then you havecompanies that are still in the
(04:46):
if it ain't broke, don't fix itkind of realm.
It is okay and it has worked sofar.
And there is somethingchallenging on these
multi-billion dollar, multi-year, especially really really large
construction projects.
It's challenging to change theworkflow, but necessary.
(05:10):
What are some of the ways thatyou advise clients to really
embrace technology, not befearful of it, because that's
one of the big factors.
There's the fear factor andthen there's just the resistance
factor.
You have people who are in thefield.
They have their tools, theyknow their tools.
They don't want to learnsomething new.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So the first thing that I try to implement is
giving them not a predefinedtool set, but just
recommendations.
Go to this block, surf ontothis website, read this and that
and try to figure out.
Be curious.
So everyone when I'm involvedinto such self-finding projects,
(05:55):
has some time simply to playaround.
You need to wake up theircuriosity.
You have to remind them howcurious they've been, how
they've been playing as childrenagain as children.
As soon we enter school, we arejust becoming part of this
linear society, and especiallyin the construction business.
(06:19):
Of course, it's a business thatworked for decades, for
centuries, how it was.
You are taking bricks, you aretaking wood, so what kind of new
invention can you make?
So they are somehow used to dothings how they've always done
it.
What I'm recommending,especially in the construction
business, is do not see yourselfas competition to each other.
(06:45):
So many are doing this.
Try to identify, even if do notchange a running system.
If it's not broken, do notchange it.
Yes, but you can enhance if youwork with someone together that
does it in a slightly differentway.
Unlearn and relearn.
We have sometimes to forgetwhat made us successful, because
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the times are changing and ifwe miss this opportunity, we
will become irrelevant.
I do not think that any ofthese multi-billion dollar
companies wants to becomeirrelevant.
So teaching them this curiosity, bringing this back and it
doesn't matter in what kind ofregion it is Construction
business, for example canimprove when they start using AI
(07:33):
.
Why AI?
Everyone is talking about AI.
Well, you can.
For example, there are severaltools.
We can, for example, definecorridors on your construction
area where you define okay, thisis a safe corridor, you do not
need to wear a hard hat.
Whenever someone leaves it, analarm goes on and he will be
(07:56):
reminded he needs to be properlyequipped.
It can even do somethingdifferent.
On a construction area, you areusing several subcontractors,
so these AI tools can even startcounting if the built 34
workers were really on site orif there were just 90 by
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coincidence.
So many things can happen.
We are, for example, digitaltwins are a very important thing
In architecture.
We already start.
We have our tool sets to createeverything, but we do not pass
it over, so it needs to be thiskind of ecosystem.
So when you have a constructionarea and you start scanning the
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construction area and simplymapping it with the architect's
vision on stuff, then you havethis overall thing where you see
that something might go wrong.
You can take it afterwards,pass it over to facility
management, to the sales agent,to whomever runs it.
So right now we are in thisposition, through technology, to
(09:08):
make a package out ofeverything, and it's not just
one size fits all, it servesyour needs.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love that.
We're going to take a littlebreak to hear from our sponsors
and we are going to come backand continue this conversation
with Jay Lada.
All right, and we are back withJay Lada and architect AN
(09:39):
emphasis on the AN.
So, jay, we didn't start whereI usually start, which is a
little bit about your background.
Of course, I know all about itbecause we've been friends for
years, but I'd love for you toshare your journey because it's
pretty interesting andunexpected.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, where do you want me to start?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, post-toddler pre-now.
So somewhere in there Pre-nowokay.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So before this, right now, my eternal freedom and
joining my friends to speak allover the world, working with you
, working with my fantasticclients.
I'm extremely picky when itcomes into clients, by the way,
so of course, before I've beenworking for a huge German, south
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German car manufacturer itturned out to be interesting and
boring at the same time.
I mean 10 folding.
Before I've been working for amid-sized consultancy here in
Munich in many, many projectsnearly 10 years in financial
(10:54):
services, for insurances, ineven construction, architecture
and construction stuff.
Before I've been in apublishing company, in the IDG
group.
So finally then the leadingwebmaster for PC world, gamestar
(11:16):
and so on, and so CIO magazineyeah, they had all of this
Before.
My first stop in Munich was forSiemens, and at Siemens I've
been one of the guys toimplement an enterprise resource
management software.
(11:36):
I will not name it which one itis.
I hate it from the deepest ofmy heart and I really was so
happy when I got from aheadhunter an offer to go
somewhere else.
But what you are referring toto my journey is something
different.
In the 90s I've been working.
(11:59):
During my university time Icame into Jillingkirchen my
university time.
I came into Jillingkirchen withstones not with normal stones,
but with precious stones, withdiamonds.
It was something unexpected.
(12:20):
It was something veryinteresting.
I learned a lot.
I have some stories that Icannot share.
I've landed several times inthe hospital, robbed a few times
, but this time being in thediamond business, buying corals,
stones, letting them cut inRamadhan, then polishing in
(12:46):
Antwerp was something extremelyinteresting to see that a
society, this closed society,can live and deal just via
handshake, without contracts.
So it was something extremelyrewarding, something very, very
(13:07):
interesting how this communitysimply is very close and
supportive.
Then, of course, the movieBlood Diamond came out and the
overall stuff started to be alittle bit less interesting than
I've been robbed my last time.
Then I gave up, but I will tellyou something that might
(13:31):
surprise you even a bit more.
Before I studied geology, myinitial plan since I've been a
little boy was to become anastronaut.
Really, my whole school time,everything that I've done was
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focused on studying engineering,becoming an engineer for space
rockets, for rocket engines.
But I had, during my militarytime, an accident and was then
not allowed to make all of theseinternships and so on, which,
of course, was the final thingfor my career.
(14:12):
So I had to rethink what elsewill I do now?
So I started to study physics,which was fantastic.
I love physics, but the mathbehind was not the funniest part
in my life.
And then one of my friendsbecause I started to fly at the
age of 14, 17,.
(14:33):
I made my license and one of myflying buddies simply
recommended me hey, jay, comewith me to.
Now that you don't know what todo, simply check it out.
He was studying geology.
So if it's something for youand it was really love.
From the first moment on, I'vebeen able to travel.
You know how much I enjoy it totravel.
(14:55):
I've seen places where normalpeople would never come into If
it was the restricted area.
In Namibia there is a 200 milerestricted area around the
mining, the debers, or Namdeb,namibian debers, where they are
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completely keeping people outhere.
If you can enter it and you seestuff that does not exist
anymore, like fossil termites,these buildings from them, and
you can compare them to the onesthat exist right now, it's
really fascinating.
On an older station In places,it's really.
(15:39):
I should write a book about it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You should, you should, and I think what's
really interesting too is thatwe as a society are really
obsessed with people who havebeen doing the same thing over
and over and over, and you seejob postings and it's like you
need to have done exactly thesame thing for most of your
(16:02):
career.
Otherwise it's hard to advanceor make a lateral move.
I would argue, like you are aperfect example is that all of
this life experience shapes theway you think and helps you move
away from the kind of groupthing which is anathema to
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innovation.
So you're a big believer inthat.
I think that's where the ANcomes in, the AN architect.
What excites you about bringingthis wealth of experience that
you have in completely differentindustries?
But how does that kind of pushyou forward and help you in your
(16:51):
career?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So being who I am was never easy, because trying to
be a valuable member of thesociety, in the corporate life,
in whatever, is simply somethingthe people are used how I've
said it before a linear career,a linear life, step by step.
(17:15):
In US, you are even moreaccepting a mistake, that
someone simply took the wrongexit, that he does it in a
different way.
Try it in Germany.
You make one mistake and it'sdone so.
Here.
What I brought in is, wheneverI've been in the position to
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hire someone, I always hiredpeople that had nothing to do
with it.
Like, one of my best projectmanagers was a historian,
someone who deals with history.
He was the most brilliant guyto put things together.
Of course, if you deal withhistory, if you see these
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milestones, these timestamps,you think in a slightly
different way than if you'vejust out of your software
engineer career made a projectmanagement course.
One of my best product ownersstudied chemistry because she
understood reactions, axial andreaction, so she could simply
(18:24):
grab this knowledge out ofchemistry and implement it into
human behavior, and this isfascinating.
If you try to see patterns andwhen you come from a completely
different area, then you'veproven that you can make it
everywhere.
So I am not scared.
Many people tell me oh, howcould you leave your former
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employer so much money?
Well, it's quite easy.
I make more right now, but thisis not the topic.
The thing is right now, with myexperience and I'm in
technology since 35 years I gotmy first paycheck at the age of
14 for discovering a securityissue and this was really this.
(19:08):
Okay, I can really make moneywith my knowledge, with deep
diving into something, and oneof my expertise is simply, or my
magic is to be on this metalevel.
I do not like to talk aboutmeta, but from this holistic
perspective and connecting thedots, we have so many people
that are experts in something.
You need them, of course, butpeople who can translate and who
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can bring these differentthings together and make a
package out of it, andtranslation is very important.
We are, in every business weare getting used to, to invent
an own language so that thesoftware engineer cannot be
understood by the CEO, by theconsultant, by whomever.
(19:56):
Marketing is a differentlanguage.
Medical people, classic Latin.
They talk in a different way.
This, on the one hand, to bemore efficient in your job, On
the other hand, to keep theothers away.
So we are completely losing thishuman, human point.
(20:16):
And in our over complex worldright now, when we have to
understand each other ecosystemthinking, it's our
multi-perspectivity, humancentricity and so on we have to
relearn how to talk with eachother, how to ask questions that
we do not need to pretend thatI've studied in Harvard just to
(20:39):
impress my CEO, whatever.
No, it's human as well.
We have to find again, likechildren.
It was one of these scientistsdon't ask me who it was, gosh
you need to be able to explainwhat you are doing.
(21:04):
Well, 10 year old, that'sexactly the thing.
So when we are hiding behind ournomenclature, behind our
special technical yada, yada,whatever, then it's simply some
kind of not feeling secure beingin our workflows.
(21:26):
As soon we leave this kind ofspecific speech and we try to
explain it to the others, twothings happen.
The first thing is you realizewhat kind of bullshit you are
talking about.
You could do it far easier andfaster if you do not hide behind
this stuff.
The second thing is the othersstart to understand you.
(21:50):
It means you are appreciatedmore, they can communicate with
you and you become moreefficient, which is as well
rewarding for yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, that's really true, and it's funny I think you
always hear the term in yourown groups people, it's like
there's no such thing as astupid question, and generally
the person who says that doesn'treally mean it.
Yes, Then they raise an eyebrowwhen you ask a stupid question.
But my thinking is that they'renot stupid questions.
It's questions that you'reliving above in your day to day.
(22:27):
And again it goes back to beingable to explain it to a 10 year
old, and this is why, again, itgoes back to these kind of
innovation structures where,when you're bringing people from
the outside and it's almostgreat that they don't understand
what you're trying toaccomplish, because we're so
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laser focused on our beliefsystem and that we believe that
what we're doing is the rightpath, and then so, because of
that, everything that we do isalready predetermined towards
that goal, right towards thatend.
And what we have a hard timewith is someone coming in and
going well, wait a minute.
(23:08):
They're looking at it from acompletely different angle and
they're saying, well, yeah, whatif we did it this way?
And it makes it harder, but atthe end of the day, it's going
to propel companies forward,it's going to propel processes
forward.
I think it's safe to say thatboth of us are big believers in
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the actual technology and notthe hype.
You are probably one of themost well versed people across
really the technology spectrum.
We always have fascinatingconversations about this,
usually late at night in theforeign country, but that now
(23:52):
was standing.
So what are the things thatreally, whether it's excite you
or that you'd like to seeimplemented?
And AI the metaverse was thebell of the ball last week.
Now it's AI.
That's fluid, right, and thereality is all the technology is
(24:12):
coming, but where do you see itall going and how do you see it
all going?
And what are the things thatare exciting for you right now,
because we're in an excitingtime.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We are in very exciting time.
So currently what I see is thattechnology, especially the
connected technology, iscompletely merging into our
lives.
What we see right now is amerge of technologies.
We see a huge dematerializationof businesses.
(24:47):
I mean home office, it'smeanwhile.
You do not need a data center.
If cloud would be a little bitmore reliable, if could rely on
the prices that your providerdoes not tweak on his own
profitability, if we couldimprove connectivity so this
always on we could be far moreaugmented.
(25:13):
Or the final goal should be anaugmentation of the workforce,
augmentation of the humanity.
What do I mean with this?
Take, for example, rpis,robotic process automation.
Mostly it's being used to coverhuge processes.
So again, this company-wide,huge yadda, yadda.
(25:33):
If we focus on the laptop guyon the one somewhere doing
something, we see that all ofthese recurring things that we
are doing In average.
With one of my clients, wefigured out that with RPAs, with
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CPAs, we could optimize everyworkplace by two hours per day.
Wow, because most of the stuffis simply running behind
information, somehow talkingwith others about stuff that
you've explained them 10 timesalready.
(26:16):
You need to do reports, youneed to send it over, you need
to do your presentations and soon.
All of this stuff, everythingthat can be described as a
workflow, can be automated.
And then we have time to do ourhuman stuff, which is
creativity, which is inspiration, innovation, which is helping
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others, because then you learnsomething.
If you in your job, if you donot have time to learn, if your
manager is standing behind youoh, do you have capacity?
I have here another bullshitjob for you Then, of course, you
slow down, simply, you optimizeyour own workflow not to be
bothered.
So the goal with our today'stechnology, and even right now,
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the latest type around chat, gpdor these large language models,
is that personal assistance,something that is really
valuable, that can, on yourindividual level, support you,
help you to transcribe meetings,to maybe even represent you in
meetings, sitting there andsaying uh-huh, uh-huh, like what
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I am doing, being moreefficient, which means by
efficiency I do not mean thatyou can work more and make more
money for whatever.
It means simply bringing morequality into your work.
Right now, this huge mergebetween metaverse I mean, come
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on, metaverse, it's just onesmall facet.
How Mike Pell said, metaverseis a description for
technologies that we have sincedecades.
We have just a marketing termfor it, together with one client
or for one client.
I've described these fivetechnological layers for
data-dominated businesses.
You know it, it's this cakewhere on top is the data
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visualization, which isimmersive tech, of course.
Then we have the dataprediction, which is AI.
Then we have a third layer, thedata choreography, which is big
data, small data, excel sheet,whatever.
Then we have the dataconnectivity.
People do not think about dataconnectivity.
Is it real-time data?
Is it replicated data?
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What do I need to do with it?
Is it enriched data?
And the last layer is dataimmutability.
Can I trust my data?
Is it biased data?
Do I need blockchain?
Do I need high encryption andso on.
And the sexy thing is, if youhave here this cake and you cut
out your own piece, you seestill, to the left and to the
right, what happens as well.
(28:56):
So you are still connectedwhile working on your stuff.
And this helps many of myclients, for example, to start
thinking in this way, not justin one deep dive, but really to
see it from a little bit widerangle.
Things can look.
Let's say what can I show you?
(29:19):
What do I have here?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You're looking for something in your office to hold
up.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Something to hold up?
Yeah, so if you have, let's say, nah, this or nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't know A cup or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, I will not start here to grab something.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think you should pull out some diamonds and, like
you know, oh gosh, I would needto go to the safe.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I still have some book aunts here.
No, it's simply, let's say, acoffee cup with the grip on it.
If you hold it into the pictureand you see just the side
without the grip, from yourperspective you see it slightly
different than what I see.
Yeah, it does not mean we arewrong.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
This one doesn't have a grip, though.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, exactly, I have even one here without a grip.
So what we have to understandis there is not just one truth
out there.
Many things are true, but thetruth is, in an ideal condition,
a sphere that from every anglelooks the same, but mostly it is
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not.
It has some dense in it, it hassome, so therefore, it's
necessary that you go around it.
Therefore, thismulti-perspectivity, to
understand.
Sometimes, when you go around aproblem and you see it from a
different angle, it's just soobvious.
Why haven't you thought aboutit?
Therefore, I'm a huge advocateof immersive technologies To go
(30:50):
into this.
And now comes the trick afterMetaverse.
Right now we are in spatial web, spatial computing, when you
really can with your device,when you can go around your
processes.
I mean, imagine, for example,if you would have your processes
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and you see how they areconnected, and you can really
step back and see them from adistance, how they are connected
, and then you immediately seeoh gosh, this process does not
belong here.
You simply grab it and put itsomewhere else.
Then you spin it, rotate it.
The value of informations in 3Dis incredible.
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All of these might mappers arebaby stuff.
We are visually oriented beings.
Therefore, immersive tech is ontop of my cake.
It's one of the most important.
90% of our natural computepower goes into processing
visual informations.
When I'm working here,sometimes I even take post-its
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and I lay them over, becausethis additional information
layer is very important.
So I'm going to go into thenext slide.
What we have to do is tounderstand what we need is tools
that adapt on us and not we onthe tools.
(32:18):
So what I'm excited about isreally this right now, ip around
AI.
There is no AI, it's just highend statistics, but it can
really improve due to thetremendous computer power that
we have right now.
It can improve how we areworking, how we are
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communicating, how we understandthings and with using, for
example, large language modelsin our personal assistants, in
our search engines, means wewill find instead of search.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I love that distinction.
I think that's great.
I think we've sort of beencalling it almost semantic
search, where it's like theenvironment knows, kind of what
you're looking for by doing, thefact of how you're moving
through a space or what you'redoing or what your intent is.
And I guess my personal hope isthat you know, as we are able
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to augment our capabilitiesusing this technology.
You know, instead of replacingthe two hours commuting every
day, you know in and out of workand out of offices, Instead of
just doing more work likeactually replacing those things
you talked about creativity, youtalked about learning, and
(33:41):
ultimately, those are the thingsthat will make us better
workers and also get us to thisvision where you know truly.
You know technology is there tohelp us optimize our day to day
so that we can get back to thethings we care about, and I'm
hoping we just don't fill thetime with work, right, which is
(34:03):
which is the trap.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You've said something very important in this specific
time.
I will not name it.
In average, just 24% of thepeople were able to work
remotely for them.
As soon they started to realizewhat powerful tool they got,
they started to adapt their workon their life habits.
So I could go shopping, if I'vebeen allowed to go shopping
(34:30):
whatever, due to the curfews.
But I started to be the masterof my time to decide when to do
what, when I've been in the mood.
I mean, come on, there arepeople who simply get out of the
bed.
They are zombies before theirfifth coffee.
They are nothing and you forcethem to go into into work, point
nine.
They have to be there andsimply be annoying to everyone.
(34:55):
So here, with this powerfultool, we already started to
understand how fantastic worklife could be if we are fully
allowed to do it.
My shock was just 24% were ableto do it.
So I started to do someresearch and work with a few
players.
How can we enable the others towork in their jammies during
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breakfast as well?
Remotely, which means, forexample, construction areas,
agriculture, mining areas, whereyou could in again, immersive
tech, virtual reality, where youcould simply have metaverse,
having, let's say, a constructverse where you would, with your
headset, sit and with yourjoystick, simply steer the
(35:46):
excavator, the, the cra,whatever you need on your on
your construction area andsimply work like this.
Majority of these things can beremotely operated.
We just do not have theplatform for it.
So you see the guy beside withhis small, small joystick and
(36:06):
steering and looking up into thesky.
If he would simply give him aheadset that he can work
remotely, we will be far happierand the people would not need
to live where they work.
It's the same in mining InChina as the ugly word.
(36:29):
There are some some areas wheremining companies are already
using these remote trucks.
I gave a speech about this 2021,I think during the VR days
where I showcase this.
So here is a tremendouspotential.
Healthcare, the same.
(36:50):
Right now, one of the startupsthat I'm advising is working on
the remote training and remoteservicing through what we call
remote robotics.
So you will keep your job.
You do not need to be scared tolose your job, because your
expertise, your human expertise,is still valuable.
We just need to give the peoplethe right tools to their head.
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And an additional thing forimmersive tech is now again
circling back to, to, to, tochildren.
When you remember how we'vebeen playing as children with
our trucks and whatever, andstaying there and managing me
alone.
I've been managing a wholeconstruction area because I had
(37:36):
this God mode.
I've seen over everything and Ido not need to do the people
everything at the same time.
I've been focused on what I hadto do right now.
So, taking the excavator,preparing everything, then my
truck came.
Yada, yada, yada.
Imagine how cool it would be tomanage your work from this God
(37:56):
perspective.
If it's air traffic control, ifit's city management, traffic
management, energy flows, all ofthis stuff, we could become so
efficient and through thisgamification we would be happier
because we see what we aredoing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
And it makes it fun.
I mean gamers are pretty well,but gamers and programmers are
very well positioned for thefuture.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, Jay, before we finish, I'm going to ask you the
last question, which I askeveryone, which is that if you
could project yourself 20, 25years into the future and you
could have any product orservice or gadget that just
makes you, Jay, personally,happy, what would it be and what
(38:46):
would it do?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So you know Neil Stielsen right?
Yes, of course he's a cleverguy.
Well, he wrote, beside of SnowCrash, as well as another many
books, but a second one which Ireally love is the Diamond Age.
Not because of the diamond inthe name, but he described a
technology, a molecularassembler, many technologies,
(39:08):
but this molecular assembler wasreally something extremely
fascinating.
It was how he described it.
It was the size of a microwaveoven, so the whole city had
these pipes where the source forthese microwave ovens were
delivered and these molecularassemblers could print any
(39:28):
product that you wanted.
Last year, I've discovered astartup that really is working
on something like this.
Of course, not a microwave ovenand not these things.
What they are doing is aprinter on the nano level.
You can print currently around400, 450 materials, and this is
(39:51):
really something extremelyexciting because, on the one
hand, it brings us benefit incircular economy and
sustainability.
Everything that you can turninto a gas, even a dump where
you have trash and so on.
All of these stuff.
They are a lot of gases.
You can simply catch them anduse them in space travel.
(40:16):
All of these asteroids and soon can turn into a valuable
resource.
So they turn everything into agas and a plasma stream
assembles it on the surface.
And it's scalable because, likea printing head, like an inkjet,
you can simply scale it.
And this is, for me, my dreamtechnology, because it can bring
(40:38):
creativity onto a municipalarea where you will have
micro-fabbing.
You could become independentfrom bigger manufacturing
companies.
You could become independentfrom supply chains, because if
you already have this urbanmining, then you simply turn it
through these specializedprinters.
(40:59):
Imagine, for example, having adevice like this you know what
it is and you can print it outin one piece.
You would from the company,simply you would pay them for
the IP, download the printingexactly and print it out when
you need it.
This is my really most excitingthing that I really believe
(41:23):
will be a huge breakout andchange radically our life in
future.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I love that.
I love that.
Well, Jay, it's always apleasure chatting with you.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Thank you for the invitation.
Have a great one, see ya, bye,bye.
Hi everyone, welcome to the Future Construct podcast.
I am your host, Amy Peck.
I am very excited for today'sguest, who is a very good friend
of mine, who I've known foryears, mr Jay Lada.
Hi, jay, hey, hello.
So, jay, you've had a storiedcareer which we're going to get
(00:32):
into in a moment.
You've been an advisor to manycompanies.
You were head of innovation atBMW.
You have been consulting withsome of the largest companies in
the world.
You are a fusionist and, Ibelieve, coined the term an
(00:56):
architect as opposed toarchitect, and that's very
relevant because we are focusedon architecture, engineering and
construction on this podcast.
But you are part of ourFutureist series and I know we
have thoughts about thatparticular word.
But the way I'm thinking aboutit, what I'm hoping to do here
(01:19):
is go beyond really the verticalspecific solutions and really
talk about where we're headedglobally as humans, how business
, products and services aregoing to change fundamentally
with technology.
And you are right in the thickof it.
(01:39):
But why an architect as opposedto architect?
Well, start there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So an architect came because many in the consulting
business I prefer to see myselfinstead as an advisor or
counselor Consulting is simplyso worn out in the same way like
a Futureist is worn out so manysimply want clear, actionable
(02:10):
items.
So best is you have a book, yougive them the book, page 15
till 98, and this is how youhave to do it.
So I came out of my experiencein my whole professional life
for bigger companies likeSiemens, like BMW, like in the
(02:32):
banking area, if it was fiducia,if it was a hypocredit and so
on, there were always thesepatterns, which means we are
putting processes and layers ofhierarchies into everything and
then we start to mess it up.
I'm strongly believing inanarchy.
(02:54):
Anarchy is not this destructive.
This is mostly when people arethrowing stones and so on.
This is anomy.
This is not anarchy.
The pure idea behind anarchy isbelieving into your own skills,
having a self organized system.
So, in fact, even directdemocracy is, in fact, a radical
(03:18):
interpretation that might leadinto anarchy.
When everyone is participating,when everyone is trying to
change something and thisbrought me into this Everyone
wants to have an architect thathelps them to build their
projects, to help them withtheir products and so on.
So I'm bringing this anarchyinto it, teaching the people how
(03:40):
to help themselves, how tounboss the structures so that
even the boss starts to be avaluable part of the overall
team.
Then you see that the magicstarts to spark and the people
start to be creative again.
They start to think how we'vebeen as children.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I love that when we first met, you were on a panel
years ago that I was moderatingand I remember that the other
two panelists and they weregreat, but I was just like.
I love the way you think andwhat you just described is
something that I think I'm a bigbeliever in, that we need in
(04:23):
business and, I think, beingrelevant to our audience just
for a moment, in the AECindustry you have factions of
companies who are reallyembracing technology and pushing
it forward, but then you havecompanies that are still in the
(04:46):
if it ain't broke, don't fix itkind of realm.
It is okay and it has worked sofar.
And there is somethingchallenging on these
multi-billion dollar, multi-year, especially really really large
construction projects.
It's challenging to change theworkflow, but necessary.
(05:10):
What are some of the ways thatyou advise clients to really
embrace technology, not befearful of it, because that's
one of the big factors.
There's the fear factor andthen there's just the resistance
factor.
You have people who are in thefield.
They have their tools, theyknow their tools.
They don't want to learnsomething new.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So the first thing that I try to implement is
giving them not a predefinedtool set, but just
recommendations.
Go to this block, surf ontothis website, read this and that
and try to figure out.
Be curious.
So everyone when I'm involvedinto such self-finding projects,
(05:55):
has some time simply to playaround.
You need to wake up theircuriosity.
You have to remind them howcurious they've been, how
they've been playing as childrenagain as children.
As soon we enter school, we arejust becoming part of this
linear society, and especiallyin the construction business.
(06:19):
Of course, it's a business thatworked for decades, for
centuries, how it was.
You are taking bricks, you aretaking wood, so what kind of new
invention can you make?
So they are somehow used to dothings how they've always done
it.
What I'm recommending,especially in the construction
business, is do not see yourselfas competition to each other.
(06:45):
So many are doing this.
Try to identify, even if do notchange a running system.
If it's not broken, do notchange it.
Yes, but you can enhance if youwork with someone together that
does it in a slightly differentway.
Unlearn and relearn.
We have sometimes to forgetwhat made us successful, because
(07:10):
the times are changing and ifwe miss this opportunity, we
will become irrelevant.
I do not think that any ofthese multi-billion dollar
companies wants to becomeirrelevant.
So teaching them this curiosity, bringing this back and it
doesn't matter in what kind ofregion it is Construction
business, for example canimprove when they start using AI
(07:33):
.
Why AI?
Everyone is talking about AI.
Well, you can.
For example, there are severaltools.
We can, for example, definecorridors on your construction
area where you define okay, thisis a safe corridor, you do not
need to wear a hard hat.
Whenever someone leaves it, analarm goes on and he will be
(07:56):
reminded he needs to be properlyequipped.
It can even do somethingdifferent.
On a construction area, you areusing several subcontractors,
so these AI tools can even startcounting if the built 34
workers were really on site orif there were just 90 by
(08:18):
coincidence.
So many things can happen.
We are, for example, digitaltwins are a very important thing
In architecture.
We already start.
We have our tool sets to createeverything, but we do not pass
it over, so it needs to be thiskind of ecosystem.
So when you have a constructionarea and you start scanning the
(08:46):
construction area and simplymapping it with the architect's
vision on stuff, then you havethis overall thing where you see
that something might go wrong.
You can take it afterwards,pass it over to facility
management, to the sales agent,to whomever runs it.
So right now we are in thisposition, through technology, to
(09:08):
make a package out ofeverything, and it's not just
one size fits all, it servesyour needs.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love that.
We're going to take a littlebreak to hear from our sponsors
and we are going to come backand continue this conversation
with Jay Lada.
All right, and we are back withJay Lada and architect AN
(09:39):
emphasis on the AN.
So, jay, we didn't start whereI usually start, which is a
little bit about your background.
Of course, I know all about itbecause we've been friends for
years, but I'd love for you toshare your journey because it's
pretty interesting andunexpected.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, where do you want me to start?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, post-toddler pre-now.
So somewhere in there Pre-nowokay.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So before this, right now, my eternal freedom and
joining my friends to speak allover the world, working with you
, working with my fantasticclients.
I'm extremely picky when itcomes into clients, by the way,
so of course, before I've beenworking for a huge German, south
(10:34):
German car manufacturer itturned out to be interesting and
boring at the same time.
I mean 10 folding.
Before I've been working for amid-sized consultancy here in
Munich in many, many projectsnearly 10 years in financial
(10:54):
services, for insurances, ineven construction, architecture
and construction stuff.
Before I've been in apublishing company, in the IDG
group.
So finally then the leadingwebmaster for PC world, gamestar
(11:16):
and so on, and so CIO magazineyeah, they had all of this
Before.
My first stop in Munich was forSiemens, and at Siemens I've
been one of the guys toimplement an enterprise resource
management software.
(11:36):
I will not name it which one itis.
I hate it from the deepest ofmy heart and I really was so
happy when I got from aheadhunter an offer to go
somewhere else.
But what you are referring toto my journey is something
different.
In the 90s I've been working.
(11:59):
During my university time Icame into Jillingkirchen my
university time.
I came into Jillingkirchen withstones not with normal stones,
but with precious stones, withdiamonds.
It was something unexpected.
(12:20):
It was something veryinteresting.
I learned a lot.
I have some stories that Icannot share.
I've landed several times inthe hospital, robbed a few times
, but this time being in thediamond business, buying corals,
stones, letting them cut inRamadhan, then polishing in
(12:46):
Antwerp was something extremelyinteresting to see that a
society, this closed society,can live and deal just via
handshake, without contracts.
So it was something extremelyrewarding, something very, very
(13:07):
interesting how this communitysimply is very close and
supportive.
Then, of course, the movieBlood Diamond came out and the
overall stuff started to be alittle bit less interesting than
I've been robbed my last time.
Then I gave up, but I will tellyou something that might
(13:31):
surprise you even a bit more.
Before I studied geology, myinitial plan since I've been a
little boy was to become anastronaut.
Really, my whole school time,everything that I've done was
(13:51):
focused on studying engineering,becoming an engineer for space
rockets, for rocket engines.
But I had, during my militarytime, an accident and was then
not allowed to make all of theseinternships and so on, which,
of course, was the final thingfor my career.
(14:12):
So I had to rethink what elsewill I do now?
So I started to study physics,which was fantastic.
I love physics, but the mathbehind was not the funniest part
in my life.
And then one of my friendsbecause I started to fly at the
age of 14, 17,.
(14:33):
I made my license and one of myflying buddies simply
recommended me hey, jay, comewith me to.
Now that you don't know what todo, simply check it out.
He was studying geology.
So if it's something for youand it was really love.
From the first moment on, I'vebeen able to travel.
You know how much I enjoy it totravel.
(14:55):
I've seen places where normalpeople would never come into If
it was the restricted area.
In Namibia there is a 200 milerestricted area around the
mining, the debers, or Namdeb,namibian debers, where they are
(15:15):
completely keeping people outhere.
If you can enter it and you seestuff that does not exist
anymore, like fossil termites,these buildings from them, and
you can compare them to the onesthat exist right now, it's
really fascinating.
On an older station In places,it's really.
(15:39):
I should write a book about it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You should, you should, and I think what's
really interesting too is thatwe as a society are really
obsessed with people who havebeen doing the same thing over
and over and over, and you seejob postings and it's like you
need to have done exactly thesame thing for most of your
(16:02):
career.
Otherwise it's hard to advanceor make a lateral move.
I would argue, like you are aperfect example is that all of
this life experience shapes theway you think and helps you move
away from the kind of groupthing which is anathema to
(16:27):
innovation.
So you're a big believer inthat.
I think that's where the ANcomes in, the AN architect.
What excites you about bringingthis wealth of experience that
you have in completely differentindustries?
But how does that kind of pushyou forward and help you in your
(16:51):
career?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So being who I am was never easy, because trying to
be a valuable member of thesociety, in the corporate life,
in whatever, is simply somethingthe people are used how I've
said it before a linear career,a linear life, step by step.
(17:15):
In US, you are even moreaccepting a mistake, that
someone simply took the wrongexit, that he does it in a
different way.
Try it in Germany.
You make one mistake and it'sdone so.
Here.
What I brought in is, wheneverI've been in the position to
(17:37):
hire someone, I always hiredpeople that had nothing to do
with it.
Like, one of my best projectmanagers was a historian,
someone who deals with history.
He was the most brilliant guyto put things together.
Of course, if you deal withhistory, if you see these
(18:00):
milestones, these timestamps,you think in a slightly
different way than if you'vejust out of your software
engineer career made a projectmanagement course.
One of my best product ownersstudied chemistry because she
understood reactions, axial andreaction, so she could simply
(18:24):
grab this knowledge out ofchemistry and implement it into
human behavior, and this isfascinating.
If you try to see patterns andwhen you come from a completely
different area, then you'veproven that you can make it
everywhere.
So I am not scared.
Many people tell me oh, howcould you leave your former
(18:46):
employer so much money?
Well, it's quite easy.
I make more right now, but thisis not the topic.
The thing is right now, with myexperience and I'm in
technology since 35 years I gotmy first paycheck at the age of
14 for discovering a securityissue and this was really this.
(19:08):
Okay, I can really make moneywith my knowledge, with deep
diving into something, and oneof my expertise is simply, or my
magic is to be on this metalevel.
I do not like to talk aboutmeta, but from this holistic
perspective and connecting thedots, we have so many people
that are experts in something.
You need them, of course, butpeople who can translate and who
(19:33):
can bring these differentthings together and make a
package out of it, andtranslation is very important.
We are, in every business weare getting used to, to invent
an own language so that thesoftware engineer cannot be
understood by the CEO, by theconsultant, by whomever.
(19:56):
Marketing is a differentlanguage.
Medical people, classic Latin.
They talk in a different way.
This, on the one hand, to bemore efficient in your job, On
the other hand, to keep theothers away.
So we are completely losing thishuman, human point.
(20:16):
And in our over complex worldright now, when we have to
understand each other ecosystemthinking, it's our
multi-perspectivity, humancentricity and so on we have to
relearn how to talk with eachother, how to ask questions that
we do not need to pretend thatI've studied in Harvard just to
(20:39):
impress my CEO, whatever.
No, it's human as well.
We have to find again, likechildren.
It was one of these scientistsdon't ask me who it was, gosh
you need to be able to explainwhat you are doing.
(21:04):
Well, 10 year old, that'sexactly the thing.
So when we are hiding behind ournomenclature, behind our
special technical yada, yada,whatever, then it's simply some
kind of not feeling secure beingin our workflows.
(21:26):
As soon we leave this kind ofspecific speech and we try to
explain it to the others, twothings happen.
The first thing is you realizewhat kind of bullshit you are
talking about.
You could do it far easier andfaster if you do not hide behind
this stuff.
The second thing is the othersstart to understand you.
(21:50):
It means you are appreciatedmore, they can communicate with
you and you become moreefficient, which is as well
rewarding for yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, that's really true, and it's funny I think you
always hear the term in yourown groups people, it's like
there's no such thing as astupid question, and generally
the person who says that doesn'treally mean it.
Yes, Then they raise an eyebrowwhen you ask a stupid question.
But my thinking is that they'renot stupid questions.
It's questions that you'reliving above in your day to day.
(22:27):
And again it goes back to beingable to explain it to a 10 year
old, and this is why, again, itgoes back to these kind of
innovation structures where,when you're bringing people from
the outside and it's almostgreat that they don't understand
what you're trying toaccomplish, because we're so
(22:48):
laser focused on our beliefsystem and that we believe that
what we're doing is the rightpath, and then so, because of
that, everything that we do isalready predetermined towards
that goal, right towards thatend.
And what we have a hard timewith is someone coming in and
going well, wait a minute.
(23:08):
They're looking at it from acompletely different angle and
they're saying, well, yeah, whatif we did it this way?
And it makes it harder, but atthe end of the day, it's going
to propel companies forward,it's going to propel processes
forward.
I think it's safe to say thatboth of us are big believers in
(23:30):
the actual technology and notthe hype.
You are probably one of themost well versed people across
really the technology spectrum.
We always have fascinatingconversations about this,
usually late at night in theforeign country, but that now
(23:52):
was standing.
So what are the things thatreally, whether it's excite you
or that you'd like to seeimplemented?
And AI the metaverse was thebell of the ball last week.
Now it's AI.
That's fluid, right, and thereality is all the technology is
(24:12):
coming, but where do you see itall going and how do you see it
all going?
And what are the things thatare exciting for you right now,
because we're in an excitingtime.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We are in very exciting time.
So currently what I see is thattechnology, especially the
connected technology, iscompletely merging into our
lives.
What we see right now is amerge of technologies.
We see a huge dematerializationof businesses.
(24:47):
I mean home office, it'smeanwhile.
You do not need a data center.
If cloud would be a little bitmore reliable, if could rely on
the prices that your providerdoes not tweak on his own
profitability, if we couldimprove connectivity so this
always on we could be far moreaugmented.
(25:13):
Or the final goal should be anaugmentation of the workforce,
augmentation of the humanity.
What do I mean with this?
Take, for example, rpis,robotic process automation.
Mostly it's being used to coverhuge processes.
So again, this company-wide,huge yadda, yadda.
(25:33):
If we focus on the laptop guyon the one somewhere doing
something, we see that all ofthese recurring things that we
are doing In average.
With one of my clients, wefigured out that with RPAs, with
(25:55):
CPAs, we could optimize everyworkplace by two hours per day.
Wow, because most of the stuffis simply running behind
information, somehow talkingwith others about stuff that
you've explained them 10 timesalready.
(26:16):
You need to do reports, youneed to send it over, you need
to do your presentations and soon.
All of this stuff, everythingthat can be described as a
workflow, can be automated.
And then we have time to do ourhuman stuff, which is
creativity, which is inspiration, innovation, which is helping
(26:38):
others, because then you learnsomething.
If you in your job, if you donot have time to learn, if your
manager is standing behind youoh, do you have capacity?
I have here another bullshitjob for you Then, of course, you
slow down, simply, you optimizeyour own workflow not to be
bothered.
So the goal with our today'stechnology, and even right now,
(27:03):
the latest type around chat, gpdor these large language models,
is that personal assistance,something that is really
valuable, that can, on yourindividual level, support you,
help you to transcribe meetings,to maybe even represent you in
meetings, sitting there andsaying uh-huh, uh-huh, like what
(27:26):
I am doing, being moreefficient, which means by
efficiency I do not mean thatyou can work more and make more
money for whatever.
It means simply bringing morequality into your work.
Right now, this huge mergebetween metaverse I mean, come
(27:51):
on, metaverse, it's just onesmall facet.
How Mike Pell said, metaverseis a description for
technologies that we have sincedecades.
We have just a marketing termfor it, together with one client
or for one client.
I've described these fivetechnological layers for
data-dominated businesses.
You know it, it's this cakewhere on top is the data
(28:14):
visualization, which isimmersive tech, of course.
Then we have the dataprediction, which is AI.
Then we have a third layer, thedata choreography, which is big
data, small data, excel sheet,whatever.
Then we have the dataconnectivity.
People do not think about dataconnectivity.
Is it real-time data?
Is it replicated data?
(28:35):
What do I need to do with it?
Is it enriched data?
And the last layer is dataimmutability.
Can I trust my data?
Is it biased data?
Do I need blockchain?
Do I need high encryption andso on.
And the sexy thing is, if youhave here this cake and you cut
out your own piece, you seestill, to the left and to the
right, what happens as well.
(28:56):
So you are still connectedwhile working on your stuff.
And this helps many of myclients, for example, to start
thinking in this way, not justin one deep dive, but really to
see it from a little bit widerangle.
Things can look.
Let's say what can I show you?
(29:19):
What do I have here?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You're looking for something in your office to hold
up.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Something to hold up?
Yeah, so if you have, let's say, nah, this or nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't know A cup or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
No, I will not start here to grab something.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think you should pull out some diamonds and, like
you know, oh gosh, I would needto go to the safe.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I still have some book aunts here.
No, it's simply, let's say, acoffee cup with the grip on it.
If you hold it into the pictureand you see just the side
without the grip, from yourperspective you see it slightly
different than what I see.
Yeah, it does not mean we arewrong.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
This one doesn't have a grip, though.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, exactly, I have even one here without a grip.
So what we have to understandis there is not just one truth
out there.
Many things are true, but thetruth is, in an ideal condition,
a sphere that from every anglelooks the same, but mostly it is
(30:28):
not.
It has some dense in it, it hassome, so therefore, it's
necessary that you go around it.
Therefore, thismulti-perspectivity, to
understand.
Sometimes, when you go around aproblem and you see it from a
different angle, it's just soobvious.
Why haven't you thought aboutit?
Therefore, I'm a huge advocateof immersive technologies To go
(30:50):
into this.
And now comes the trick afterMetaverse.
Right now we are in spatial web, spatial computing, when you
really can with your device,when you can go around your
processes.
I mean, imagine, for example,if you would have your processes
(31:10):
and you see how they areconnected, and you can really
step back and see them from adistance, how they are connected
, and then you immediately seeoh gosh, this process does not
belong here.
You simply grab it and put itsomewhere else.
Then you spin it, rotate it.
The value of informations in 3Dis incredible.
(31:30):
All of these might mappers arebaby stuff.
We are visually oriented beings.
Therefore, immersive tech is ontop of my cake.
It's one of the most important.
90% of our natural computepower goes into processing
visual informations.
When I'm working here,sometimes I even take post-its
(31:57):
and I lay them over, becausethis additional information
layer is very important.
So I'm going to go into thenext slide.
What we have to do is tounderstand what we need is tools
that adapt on us and not we onthe tools.
(32:18):
So what I'm excited about isreally this right now, ip around
AI.
There is no AI, it's just highend statistics, but it can
really improve due to thetremendous computer power that
we have right now.
It can improve how we areworking, how we are
(32:40):
communicating, how we understandthings and with using, for
example, large language modelsin our personal assistants, in
our search engines, means wewill find instead of search.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I love that distinction.
I think that's great.
I think we've sort of beencalling it almost semantic
search, where it's like theenvironment knows, kind of what
you're looking for by doing, thefact of how you're moving
through a space or what you'redoing or what your intent is.
And I guess my personal hope isthat you know, as we are able
(33:21):
to augment our capabilitiesusing this technology.
You know, instead of replacingthe two hours commuting every
day, you know in and out of workand out of offices, Instead of
just doing more work likeactually replacing those things
you talked about creativity, youtalked about learning, and
(33:41):
ultimately, those are the thingsthat will make us better
workers and also get us to thisvision where you know truly.
You know technology is there tohelp us optimize our day to day
so that we can get back to thethings we care about, and I'm
hoping we just don't fill thetime with work, right, which is
(34:03):
which is the trap.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You've said something very important in this specific
time.
I will not name it.
In average, just 24% of thepeople were able to work
remotely for them.
As soon they started to realizewhat powerful tool they got,
they started to adapt their workon their life habits.
So I could go shopping, if I'vebeen allowed to go shopping
(34:30):
whatever, due to the curfews.
But I started to be the masterof my time to decide when to do
what, when I've been in the mood.
I mean, come on, there arepeople who simply get out of the
bed.
They are zombies before theirfifth coffee.
They are nothing and you forcethem to go into into work, point
nine.
They have to be there andsimply be annoying to everyone.
(34:55):
So here, with this powerfultool, we already started to
understand how fantastic worklife could be if we are fully
allowed to do it.
My shock was just 24% were ableto do it.
So I started to do someresearch and work with a few
players.
How can we enable the others towork in their jammies during
(35:20):
breakfast as well?
Remotely, which means, forexample, construction areas,
agriculture, mining areas, whereyou could in again, immersive
tech, virtual reality, where youcould simply have metaverse,
having, let's say, a constructverse where you would, with your
headset, sit and with yourjoystick, simply steer the
(35:46):
excavator, the, the cra,whatever you need on your on
your construction area andsimply work like this.
Majority of these things can beremotely operated.
We just do not have theplatform for it.
So you see the guy beside withhis small, small joystick and
(36:06):
steering and looking up into thesky.
If he would simply give him aheadset that he can work
remotely, we will be far happierand the people would not need
to live where they work.
It's the same in mining InChina as the ugly word.
(36:29):
There are some some areas wheremining companies are already
using these remote trucks.
I gave a speech about this 2021,I think during the VR days
where I showcase this.
So here is a tremendouspotential.
Healthcare, the same.
(36:50):
Right now, one of the startupsthat I'm advising is working on
the remote training and remoteservicing through what we call
remote robotics.
So you will keep your job.
You do not need to be scared tolose your job, because your
expertise, your human expertise,is still valuable.
We just need to give the peoplethe right tools to their head.
(37:14):
And an additional thing forimmersive tech is now again
circling back to, to, to, tochildren.
When you remember how we'vebeen playing as children with
our trucks and whatever, andstaying there and managing me
alone.
I've been managing a wholeconstruction area because I had
(37:36):
this God mode.
I've seen over everything and Ido not need to do the people
everything at the same time.
I've been focused on what I hadto do right now.
So, taking the excavator,preparing everything, then my
truck came.
Yada, yada, yada.
Imagine how cool it would be tomanage your work from this God
(37:56):
perspective.
If it's air traffic control, ifit's city management, traffic
management, energy flows, all ofthis stuff, we could become so
efficient and through thisgamification we would be happier
because we see what we aredoing.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
And it makes it fun.
I mean gamers are pretty well,but gamers and programmers are
very well positioned for thefuture.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, Jay, before we finish, I'm going to ask you the
last question, which I askeveryone, which is that if you
could project yourself 20, 25years into the future and you
could have any product orservice or gadget that just
makes you, Jay, personally,happy, what would it be and what
(38:46):
would it do?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
So you know Neil Stielsen right?
Yes, of course he's a cleverguy.
Well, he wrote, beside of SnowCrash, as well as another many
books, but a second one which Ireally love is the Diamond Age.
Not because of the diamond inthe name, but he described a
technology, a molecularassembler, many technologies,
(39:08):
but this molecular assembler wasreally something extremely
fascinating.
It was how he described it.
It was the size of a microwaveoven, so the whole city had
these pipes where the source forthese microwave ovens were
delivered and these molecularassemblers could print any
(39:28):
product that you wanted.
Last year, I've discovered astartup that really is working
on something like this.
Of course, not a microwave ovenand not these things.
What they are doing is aprinter on the nano level.
You can print currently around400, 450 materials, and this is
(39:51):
really something extremelyexciting because, on the one
hand, it brings us benefit incircular economy and
sustainability.
Everything that you can turninto a gas, even a dump where
you have trash and so on.
All of these stuff.
They are a lot of gases.
You can simply catch them anduse them in space travel.
(40:16):
All of these asteroids and soon can turn into a valuable
resource.
So they turn everything into agas and a plasma stream
assembles it on the surface.
And it's scalable because, likea printing head, like an inkjet,
you can simply scale it.
And this is, for me, my dreamtechnology, because it can bring
(40:38):
creativity onto a municipalarea where you will have
micro-fabbing.
You could become independentfrom bigger manufacturing
companies.
You could become independentfrom supply chains, because if
you already have this urbanmining, then you simply turn it
through these specializedprinters.
(40:59):
Imagine, for example, having adevice like this you know what
it is and you can print it outin one piece.
You would from the company,simply you would pay them for
the IP, download the printingexactly and print it out when
you need it.
This is my really most excitingthing that I really believe
(41:23):
will be a huge breakout andchange radically our life in
future.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I love that.
I love that.
Well, Jay, it's always apleasure chatting with you.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Thank you for the invitation.
Have a great one, see ya, bye,bye.
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