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July 6, 2021 63 min

Melissa Flagg, Senior Fellow, Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET), Georgetown University, and Nonresident Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council Geotech Center, interviewed by Trond Arne Undheim, futurist and author.

In this conversation, we talked about Melissa Flagg's upbringing in Missouri, her pharma PhD, road-trip in all 50 states, how she is currently trying to turn moonshine into gin, her shamanic journey, and her views on security, sci-tech, and defense innovation. Why does US policy pretend it is 1975? The decentralization of sci-tech globally and why has the US not noticed? Emerging security threats and challenges. Widening the scope of security threats to environmental challenges (pandemics, climate change). Finally, we discuss science and optimism. 

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  • Trond's takeaway "Sci-tech is in a global state but governments are still in their national state. How long can this last? Regions such as the EU have made great strides to internationalize funding and collaboration, so have many smaller, agile nation states. China is rising faster than almost anybody had predicted both in research dollars, number of researchers, and in specific, strategic domains such as AI. Can the US get away with not doing so? Can it still lead? Does it even currently lead? Many questions here, and a lot of change underway."

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