1996: Striptease, Tea Testers, and Mother May I Sleep with Danger

This week we're looking at all the culture that popped from: YEAR. From Fear to STriptease, from the three-parent baby to Bernie Tiede, from tea testing to Mother May I Sleep with Danger, we've got it all. Plus, our unmitigated gall from the week and so much more.

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Episode Transcript

(00:14):
Hi, everybody.
Well, hello.
What's up?
Happy Pride.
Happy Pride. It's June 1st. Itis June 1st. So exciting.
Pride is oozing out of me.
Okay, that didn't go great.
That's a tough use. I've got anew unmitigated call and it's Heath
using the word oozing in the seconds.

(00:36):
Okay, moving on. So, anythingto report in the last few weeks?
We've gone to a fewgraduations, you guys. Yeah.
Happy to be through May.
That's true. How May was yourhell month.
Yes.
And you have survived.
I've survived.
You're like Gloria Gaynor. Youhave survived.
I survived. You know it.

(00:57):
Oh, we're so glad.
On the other side.
Maybe May gave you a lot of gall.
I mean, a lot of gall.Unfortunately, a lot of gall I can't
talk about. But.
Yeah. Is there any unmitigatedgall that you can talk about, May
or otherwise right now?
Yeah, it's sort of a personalgoal and you know it. It's my armpits.

(01:18):
It's personal.
It is personal. I. In themiddle of this hell month, my armpits
have decided that, like, theyjust hate the deodorant I've been
using. And I changed like acouple years ago to have like aluminum
free deodorant and I use asensitive one. I've had questions,
to be clear, I've hadquestions about this deodorant because

(01:39):
the stick seems to last areally long time. Like an alarming
amount of time. Like almostsix months, which I think is an incredibly
long time for stick deodorant.
Yeah, yeah.
Compared to previous. But Iwas like, I mean, they formulated
it, I put it on every day. Idon't know. I'm not putting it on
incorrectly. It's stick deodorant.
Right. Is it working?
No. So that's where. So firstit started, where I kind of started

(02:03):
getting a rash in my armpits.
Oh, man.
Listen, I. You know what? Ilove to hold stress and uncomfortableness
in different parts of my body.So at first I thought, oh, this is
new. I'll just get the rash inmy pits. I guess that I, you know,
and then I was like, at leastI can cover it, I guess. And then
I was like, no, this isdifferent. It feels itchier or something.

(02:23):
Then I started realizing,like, I'm sweating through shirts,
which is not normal for me.And so I was like, what is happening
in my armpits? And stilldidn't totally blame the deodorant.
And then like a week And ahalf ago, I was getting ready to
get in the shower and I'mlike, do I smell a little bit? And
I was like, okay, now we havea problem.

(02:45):
Deodorant, because you can't smell.
So if you smell. So then Ifelt like I did. My reaction was
obviously to go to Mike andask if I. I did because I needed
to know the evidence of whichhe said, work that out on your own.
Which is fair.
Yeah, fair.
That's fair. You don't want tostick your nose in my heart, but
I understand. So I assume thatit was because I felt like it was.

(03:07):
And so I. So now I've been onthis quest to find deodorant that
works, but the problem is, isthat my armpits are still sensitive
from whatever happened withthe other one. So it's hard to test
one out because the rash isstill happening, but it's also starting
to get hot. And so I'mdesperate for deodorant. And it's
just been a cycle of gall thatI'm mad at my pits and I'm mad at

(03:30):
deodorant. And I don't knowwhere to correctly assign the blame,
but I've just decided thatit's both.
This seems like yet anotherway of your body just exploding and,
you know, doing everything itcan to make itself known.
Right. And I also, I've beenusing this deodorant that I had been
using for a good two years. SoI was like, why did we. Why did it

(03:51):
break down now?
I think it might becapitalism. Hear me out.
I am here for it.
I am in.
Yes. Okay.
I know. Since, you know, withinflation and corporate greed, yada,
yada, yada. Like, I have breadthat I like to buy that tasted one
way for a long time and aboutsix months ago, it tastes different

(04:12):
now. And I think, I think, Ibelieve it's because they changed
the ingredients, they changedthe recipe, and found a cheaper way
to make it where it looks thesame still. Yep. And I wonder if
this is the deodorant you'vebeen using for a long time and is
now causing you problems ifthey found cheaper ingredients or
they changed the recipe insome way that now it's causing you

(04:34):
problems.
I am fully agreed. Fullyagreed. It was Dove.
It's Dove.
Come on, Dove.
That's their whole thing isit's like natural and we're not gonna
mess you up, man.
Yeah, it's aluminum free,sensitive, and it's.
Supposed to be like, yay, ladies.
Yeah, yeah. It's Not. Yay, ladies.
Well, Dove has succumbed to capitalism.
Yeah, that's exactly what happens.
That's exactly what happened.

(04:55):
That's exactly what happened.And look, I was taking it all myself.
As a consumer, I was blaming.
That's what capitalism does.It tells you it's your fault.
Well, I mean, I'm sure you'reall riveted listeners and I'll keep
you updated on my deodorantjourney, but I'm so.
Glad you shared your deodorantjourney and we'll keep updating you.

(05:16):
Nothing if not a generouspodcaster. Let me tell you weird
thing.
You tell us about all sorts ofbody stuff.
Yeah.
I was remembering today howyou peed your pants and you just
told us all. Just told us all.And it was very. It was refreshing.
Well, an update on that.
Oh, which part? Her peeing herpants. Were you refreshed or were

(05:38):
you hearing it when it was refreshed?
Both. Both.
My. My new granddaughter lovesthose tie blankets, so. And I said,
good, cuz I peed my pants forthat fabric.
So that's a story of tellingher high school graduates.
I will. I plan on it.
I plan on being that grandmathat's like in the corner with the
A thing of punch.

(05:58):
Well, I'm peed. I had a fullbladder of piss.
Let me tell y' all, when shewas little, she loved these tie blankets.
And I peed my pants in aJoanne. I know you don't know what
Joann fabric is, but I peed mypants in a Joanne fabric for those
back in the day. Back in the day.
Well, speaking of capitalism,my goal. I will. I will say that
my goal is about 93 less thanwhen I worked at my corporate job.

(06:22):
So feel it. Feeling good about that.
But I think good for you, notgood for goal.
Thank you. Yeah, that's true.Because I had to think. I had to
think about, you know.
What is my goal. Yeah.
Yeah. And we now have to seekout gall. As podcasters of note,
Gall finds me.
I'm not seeking a lot. I gottabe honest. I am not.

(06:43):
I just don't go out in theworld that much, so the gall doesn't
reach me as much. But the onetime I went out in the world this
week, men discussing loudly ismy goal because they have opinions
and you will hear them even ifyou're five tables away at Ritual
Cafe.
Ritual Cafe, Yeah.

(07:03):
At least they were progressivediscussions and opinions, which is
rarer. You usually hear theMAGA guys, you know, talking loudly,
but. But it reminds me of theGuy at the movie theater that was
sitting next to us atBombshell and was like, reprehensible
just to show that, like, hewas an ally. Like, he's super loud
and performative. That's whatthese men speaking loudly is. So

(07:25):
generally, I think men shouldjust be quiet.
Agreed.
Take the advice that we girlsalways got. Be seen and not heard
and just, you know, we want to.
I want to agree, but I alsofeel like I'm not following directions.
If I do that I should clarify.White straight men. White straight
men speak. Don't speak. And wewant to clock you. We want to know

(07:46):
where you're at, but we don'twant to hear your weirdness. So just.
Just shush. We don't need youright now.
Yeah, like, there's places youcan go have those conversations.
Doesn't have to be in a publicplace where you're just serving a
whole bunch of people.
Just start your podcast and,you know, talk to the world that
way.
Don't start your podcast. I donot co sign that. But that space
is flowing.
Join and already made whitemale podcast. And you were allowed

(08:11):
to speak.
Okay.
You are not shushed.
Just to be clear, he's like,should I say my unmitigated call?
I don't know.
I will say. On a semi relatednote, yesterday I was at the farmer's
market and I was. Wait. I'dordered a breakfast sandwich. I was
waiting for it, and there wasa group of young people nearby that
I was listening this womanexplain how she watched Top Maverick

(08:33):
and she didn't reallyunderstand it because she had not
seen the first Top Gun. And Iwas like, ma' am, that's Top Gun
Maverick.
Was.
Was designed for you don't.There's not a lot to unpack there.
Like, there. I mean, some ofthe references you're not gonna get,
sure, maybe, but like, also,it's not.
If you have self contained.
Right. If you have troubleunderstanding Top Gun Maverick, that
is on you.
That's a personal thing.That's not a movie thing. Yeah.

(08:55):
So Gaul, Tom Cruise, just fuck you.
We're done with your mission.
Don't want to see you. You'reone of those that needs to shush
and just, you know, not beseen. We don't want to see or hear
you.
I saw a clip of somebodyasking him how he's gonna celebrate
Father's Day, and he just kindof laughed and he was just like,
well, you know, I love what Ido. And then walked away from the

(09:18):
interviewer and it was like, huh.
He couldn't honestly rememberthat moment if he had kids or not.
Right?
Yeah. So, as I said, you'renot shushed. So what's your goal?
Two. Two notes before I get togoal number one. Happy graduation.
My niece, Lily, listener tothe podcast. She did a great job
last week.
Good job, Lily.

(09:38):
When she graduated.
We love all your academicachievements as well, Lily.
Yes, yes. Number two, when youwere talking about sweating Aaron,
it reminded me of a woman Iworked with when I was in college.
I worked in the maintenanceoffice at University of Northern
Iowa. And one of our part ofour job was to drive a car, a university
issued car. And we'd go outand buy things that mechanics on

(10:01):
campus needed to fix things,right? So we would go to electrical
stores or, you know, plumbingshops or hardware stores. And we
were walking into the AceHardware in Cedar Falls, and it was
a hot day. And the girl Iworked with, shout out to Courtney
Boycen if you're listening.
We named her.
I love it.
We get out of the van, the univan that has, you know, vinyl seats

(10:22):
in it. It's a hot day. Andwe're walking in and she points at
her own back and says, and ismy back sweaty? And she said it when
we were walking into the AceHardware. And I don't know why, but
I fucking lost it. Cause itwas so goddamn funny. And I laughed
and laughed and I've said it100 times a year since then.
Is perfect sweat.

(10:42):
Was it just a sheet of sweat?
No, I didn't think so. She'dbeen sitting. I mean, the air conditioner
in that van worked sometimes.I don't remember his working that
day or not, but, you know, itwas just like, I don't know. No one
in Ace Hardware gives a shitif your back's sweaty. You didn't?
No.
They've seen things, I imagineat Ace Hardware. Ye.
They are things. They haven'tjust seen things, they are things.

(11:05):
They create the things.
Yeah, they invite the things.
But I think my unmitigatedgall, and this has been my unmitigated
gall for a while, is whoeverthe fuck at Instagram decided to
make the carousel 20 pictures long.
Yes.
I don't need 20 pictures ofanything. Your trip, you don't have
20 good pictures from yourtrip. You got seven. Maybe, maybe.

(11:29):
And there's too many to flipthrough. And if you don't flip through
them the next time you openInstagram, it's just back there again
asking you one more time. AndI didn't. I don't Want this?
Nope.
The answer is no, Instagram. Idon't want 20 pictures of anybody's
anything.
No.
Okay. I'm just now having,like, a moment where I'm realizing
I didn't realize that's whatwas happening with Instagram. I was
so confused. I restartedInstagram a couple times because

(11:51):
I'm like, why are there so many.
Yeah.
Why do you keep showing methis? I'm not interested. And it's
because I haven't flippedthrough. Through all the pictures.
Yep. So you're not alone inyour. What, the Instagram?
Yeah. I mean, I always assumethat it's me with social media, because
I'm like, this is something.Okay, well, all right, I'm gonna
restart it. And then I'm like,it's still here. I don't understand.
It's related. Capitalism keepspushing stuff on us.

(12:12):
Yeah, that's a toughie.
And I just, you know, I thinkthe idea of, like, going to work
all day and not openingInstagram, that's normal. But Instagram
seems to think, like, if I'vegone eight hours without looking
at it, that this is.
Yeah. I'm gonna say I'm maybelike, once a day Instagram. And.
Yeah.
And it's. So that could beexactly. Why. Because I'm never.
I mean, Yeah, I don't.
Huh.

(12:33):
Fuck you, Instagram. In conclusion.
In conclusion, this is theclip we should put on Instagram.
In conclusion.
We'Re gonna have to move overto truth social media.
Oh.
Our message is gonna be notwelcome, not welcomed there.

(12:55):
I don't think we're making itpast the screeder process.
No, no. Unfortunately, no.Bummer. Is there anyone on True Social
besides him?
I think there's some peoplethat follow.
Him, but I know some peoplewho have it, like, who follow it,
but I don't know.
I'm sure. I'm sure, like,like, our friend Travis, I think,
goes on that. Because as partof his job, like, you know, he needs

(13:18):
to be sort of well informedabout things, and he'll be able.
But he also is able to readthat stuff and not lose his mind.
Like, we would lose our mindsif we read some of that stuff.
Our mind. Yeah, that's theproblem. Well, and also, they blasted
on the news enough. They'relike, he posted on True Social. Like,
they always read the stuff so.
Well, today we're talkingabout 1996.

(13:38):
1990. I was going to start asong and it didn't work.
Don't do that.
Sorry. Redacted.
Let's first recap what we didlast time. I introduced some new
words that came into theEnglish language, including octosecond
or yocto. Second. I can'tremember which one it was. Talked
about Fargo.

(13:58):
Oh, yeah.
And I talked about the craft.Aaron, you talked about how Taco
Bell buys Liberty Bell.Supposedly hoax. Yeah. You introduced
us to your dissertation onDon't Speak by no Doubt. Yeah.
Special place in my heart.
And then you haunted ourdreams with the Bop It Toy. Heath,

(14:23):
you gave us Twister. You gaveus the Rosie o' Donnell Show. And
you gave us the freakiestmovie that we'd ever heard of, Mr.
Wrong, starring EllenDeGeneres, starring Alan DeGeneres
and Bill Pullman, which wasostensibly a comedy, but it really
was not. No, it was womanhating stuff.

(14:44):
It was a Hollywood being.Like, hey, gals, still don't like
you. Just wanted to remind you.
We wanted you to spend yourunequal pay and come to this movie.
All right, Erin, what do yougot for us?
Well, you know what? I'm gonnastart with a topic that seems timely.

(15:07):
Okay.
Given. I mean, sorry, I have alittle update because I've gone on
record here saying that I wantthis Battle Royale to happen, and
I think as of this week, weare one step closer to the Elon Musk.
Donald Trump.
Oh, nice.
Battle of a lifetime.
Kept thinking of you this week.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah, are wegonna get our death match? Like,
what's gonna happen?
Because he publicly criticizedTrump, and then the next day, he's

(15:29):
no longer part of Doge.
Yep.
But in 1996, believe it ornot, Doge was strong, wasn't named
Dosh. But they said, you knowwhat needs to happen in the United
States, we don't need a teatester anymore. Because for 99 years,
the US government employed agroup of people that tasted tea.
Oh, what?

(15:50):
And that came to a screechinghalt in 1996 when people said, that's
wasteful government spending.
It took us that long.
It took us that long. It wascalled the Board of Tea Experts,
which sounds very made up, andwas created as part of the Tea importation
Act of 1897. Who was drinkingtea in 1996?
Like, we weren't. We're not atea country. What is going on?

(16:13):
Yeah, it's a lot of goodquestions. I mean, I think that's
why 1996, it floated to thetop finally. And they were like,
wait, what? No, we're gettingrid of that. So the act said that
it was aimed to protectconsumers from imported tea judged
at the Time to be littlerbetter than hay or catnip.
Oh.
So it sounds like there wassome kind of paranoia post, you know,

(16:38):
all of the tea, Boston teapart, all the kinds of things that
this. This idea just keptgetting passed down. And we were
afraid that some of ourimported tea was not at the quality
that we wanted it to. And theybasically decided that we needed
to have tea testers to makesure that the tea was pure. Because
there was a big. In that timein history, there was a big push

(17:00):
towards the purity of food,like making sure that it was what
it says it was. So I don'tknow who got, you know, the wrong
kind of jerky and decided weneeded to be looking at all food,
but somebody did. But it. It'skind of interesting because it's
the beginning of the structurethat would come to regulate cosmetics,
food, and drugs that we knownow. It was kind of start of that
movement of, like, okay, whatof our standards for some of these

(17:22):
things for consumers or to beimported from other countries? Obviously,
we're watching that bedismantled one structural brick at
a time right now, thanks toRFK. But, you know, cool. It's been
around for 100 years. Longer.Longer now. Why not take it down?
It was supposed to passquality, purity, and fitness for

(17:42):
consumption tests. Soultimately, they couldn't figure
out a way to test the fitnessfor consumption without trying the
tea. So this is how this allcame about. They were gonna point
people. I could find noinformation about the. The requirements
for being a tea tester.
Like, okay, okay.
How do you claim to be anexpert in tea tasting? I don't know.

(18:02):
What's the interview process like?
Yeah. Here's what I didn'tlike when I did.
Watch me drink this tea.Tastes good.
It was good. Yeah.
Now give me a bad one.
Yeah, yeah. See if I survive.
Yeah, I. Exactly.
It's kind of like a royal foodtester, like for a king or queen
or something. To see if it waspoisoned. Yeah.
Especially when I was lookingfor what information they had about

(18:24):
what made a tea tester. And Icame along this morsel, which is
kind of why I think it'sprobably good we got rid of it, because
the whole board of tea expertswas a group of quote, unquote, men
with finely tuned tongues.
No. Oh, God, no.
Which I hate more thanclaiming you're a T tester. That
means you're a guy that walkedin that building, said, I have a

(18:45):
finely tuned tongue, which wasjust. Somebody dared you to do that
out on the street, Bill, Go inthere and say, you have a good tongue.
And he did. And then he becamea T tester.
There's a song though, like,who's down with ftt? Yeah, you know
me, like, that's a song.
Yeah, we could, we couldfinely tune tongue. Yeah, yeah.
We can make money off.
What's your tattoo mean?Finely tuned tongue. Okay. Yeah.

(19:09):
Oh, dear God.
Which then took me back even astep further because I was like,
okay, so now we're not eventalking about testing tea. How were
they testing if your tonguewas finally.
Exactly. What's thecertification process there?
Yeah, I don't know. Soapparently tea test tea tasters working
in FDA offices around thecountry examined every lot of imported

(19:30):
tea using standard teesselected by the board for comparison.
So they would have it like aset T and then they would compare
it, which. I don't even knowwhat you're doing there.
This sounds so made up.
Yeah. Huh. But this particularoffice was perceived as an example
of wasteful big government. Asfar back as the Nixon administration.

(19:50):
They wanted to get rid of it.They said that tea makers should
self regulate.
And that's the. Been the partyline ever since.
Yeah.
Self regulate.
Yeah. At the time the officewas closed, it employed a head FT
taster, a chemist named RobertH. Dick.
Oh, oh, Robert H. Dick, comma, ftt.

(20:10):
Yeah. An assistant ftt. Yeah,exactly. I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm
an ftt. What? It also had anassistant tea taster, Faith Lim,
both based in Brooklyn, andtwo further tasters at the ports
in Boston and San Francisco.Its total annual cost was $253,500

(20:31):
or about $400,000. That's whatthe whole department costs.
But including their salaries.
But the big. Yeah.
Were these full time jobs?
I don't know. And I mean, Iguess the government was just like,
you know what, that's notgonna happen. So they ultimately
came out with a statement andthe committee said, we're gonna get

(20:51):
rid of it because there's nojustification for tea being held
to a higher federal standardon behalf of the tea industry than
any other, you know, foodproduct. So it should just fall under
the same FDA regulations, gothrough the same stuff. There's no
reason to have a separate teataster because why does tea get that
special thing?
So we need the FDA filled withftts. Yeah, we just need everyone.

(21:15):
Everybody needs to be an ftt.
I think it needs to taste everything.
It feels like you likebecoming a pastor online.
Yeah.
Like you could probably justdo like a fine, you know, click on
these, which would taste good.And then they're like, you're an
ftt.
Like, to prove you're not arobot thing. And then, yeah, you're
an ftt. Okay.
You just have to select thepictures of tea.

(21:36):
Oh, that tongue is finallytuned which.
Of these squares and has anFTT in it.
I just liked it because it's afunny. Just a position to. Now when
we're like, oh, we're gonnaget rid of all this wasteful government
spending. And this was a bigdeal in 1960.
$250,000. Like, yeah.
And they were like, we did it.And we're like, never mind.

(21:57):
Meanwhile, they gutted welfarethis same year. So cool. Cool.
It's the exact same thingthat's happening again, right? Like,
here, we're going to get rid.See, we had tea tasters. That's ridiculous.
And everyone's like, you'reright. Way to save money. And they're
like, well, I mean, it's lessthan. We pay our assistance on the
floor. Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But if the FDA absorbed, like,all the tea stuff came in there,

(22:18):
and theoretically the tea. Theftts were now in the fda. So, like,
if Jan from the fda, whonormally tested, like, Doritos.
Yeah. Yeah.
Was off this week. Do youthink an FTT had to, like, test Doritos?
I'm guessing.
Oh, I wonder how that FTT did.
Right? I was just like, Idon't like Doritos. I like tea. I

(22:38):
don't want to do this.
Or it was the other way. Andthey were like, why have I been tasting
tea for 20 years?
Yeah.
This is a flavor explosion.
Cool Ranch Doritos. I've beenmissing these.
A Twinkie, you say?
Or they get those flaming hotCheetos, and they're like, my tongue
never was.
Never recovered.
Never recovered.
Heaven forbid a Teenage MutantNinja Turtle.

(22:59):
Pie come across their desk,and then they got pie foot after
that.
I probably have pie pits.That's exactly.
You do. This is a delayed reaction.
Oh, my God. It's coming outeverywhere. It's oozing out.
Yeah. This is what's gonna.All you Ozempic girlies out there.
In about 20 years, this iswhat's gonna happen. You're not gonna
be able to taste anything, andyou're gonna sweat all the time.

(23:21):
Yeah.
Just ooze all the time.
Teenage Mutant Turtle Pie filling.
Wow. Never knew that existed.And I don't think it should have
existed.
No.
And I don't ever want to hearabout a finely tuned tongue again.
Well, you Say that now.
That's true. That's true.You're right. I shouldn't say never.
You just haven't met the rightman yet.

(23:44):
I haven't met my Mr. Wrongyet. You're right.
Yeah, yeah. Yep. And I. Gosh,I have a feeling we're gonna use
that a few times in the courseof this podcast.
Really think. You know, thatshould be a subtitle of our podcast.
The Finely tuned Tongues of Memory.
Sounds like such a bad garage band.
It really does.
It doesn't understand how badtheir name is, and it's trying to

(24:05):
book gigs and people are like, what?
No.
What is this? All right, didyou. We're done with.
Finally, I'm done. That's allI have on the tea tasting.
Great.
Yep.
Well, in 1996, we may knowabout Dolly the sheep. That happened
this year. Oh, but also in1996, it was the first three parent
baby. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Sowe had throuples doing babies then.

(24:28):
Which is not actually whathappened, but that was my first thought,
is we had throuple babies in 1996.
So progressive.
I know, but this is notprogressive. So in 1996, a doctor
named Jacques Cohen worked inNew Jersey. Livingston, New Jersey.
I thought you were gonna saysomething else.
New Jersey.
Yeah.

(24:49):
I actually was thinking. Wait,what's NJ stand for? New Jersey.
That's right. He beganexploring a technique called cytoplasmic
transfer.
Get it, girl?
Yeah. Oh, Heath. Basically,there's a lot of science talk. I

(25:10):
don't get all of it. But they.They led to a solution of pulling
DNA from three individuals tofertilize an embryo. And they did
this to try and work arounddiseases that come from the mitochondria.
Okay.
So these are maternallyinherited diseases. So if a woman
has something like. I thinkit's called Lee syndrome.

(25:32):
Diphtheria. The vapors.
The vapors.
If the mom had the vapors,then they needed DNA from three individuals.
Nuclear DNA from thebiological mother and father, and
then mitochondrial DNA from afemale donor, and it would add up

(25:52):
to less than 1% of the totalDNA. But it's three. Three people.
So they did it. They. Back innineteen six, they. They made a baby
from this process. The baby'sstill around. Her name is Alana Serin.
Serinon. S. Yep.
Huh.
And she told the BBC in 2014,A lot of people say, I have facial

(26:16):
features from my mom. My eyeslook like my dad. I have some traits
from them, and my personalityis the same too, but I also have
DNA from A third lady. But Iwouldn't consider her a third parent.
I just have some of her mitochondria.
Okay.
So it was very controversial,probably for many, many reasons.

(26:36):
One is that, I mean, people lost.
Their fucking shit over stem cells.
Right.
Or I was thinking about thesurrogate surrogacy case.
That's what I was about.
Yeah, yeah. Like, this feelslike it touches on so many areas
that the U.S. outlawed it in20 in 2002.
Really?
Yes. But that didn't stoppeople from doing it because there's
another three parent baby thatwas born in 2016 from US doctors

(27:00):
working in Mexico. They did itin Mexico because it's illegal in
the U.S. okay. And the first,you know, case that.
That holds true for so many things.
So many things.
Brazilian butt lifts is rightwhere I live.
Yeah. But now they're havingthree parent babies in Mexico this
time there, there were doctorsat the New Hope Fertility center
in New York, and they employeda different kind of technique to

(27:23):
still attack thismitochondrial disease called Lee
syndrome. The woman who hadthis implanted in her, this Lee syndrome
had killed two of her kidsbefore they reached the age of three.
So this time around, shewanted to prevent this from happening,
to prevent the kid frominheriting it. And she gave birth
to a healthy boy carrying theblended DNA of the birth mother,

(27:45):
her husband, and an unrelatedfemale donor. And still banned in
the US but there have beenmultiple babies born of three parents
in the uk, Ukraine, Greece andother countries.
Wow.
And they've grown up with noside effects.
No third head or anything.Third head, second head.

(28:08):
They came out with two heads,but they never grew a third. So success.
Yeah.
So it's.
Well, and so that's goodperspective. Thank you for your positive
outlook on this.
Yeah, you're welcome. Like Isaid, feeling great since I left
corporate America. The. Thework is still very controversial
though, because the sciencesays there could still be one in

(28:29):
five babies that inherits thediseases that they're trying to avoid.
Okay. And there have been somebabies that have shown this, that
in fact they, they didn't getthe disease as quickly as they would
have. But then it came on likesuper, super fast. So it was almost
like expensive acceleratedbecause of this process. So as of
today, it's still rare, it'sstill highly regulated. It's only

(28:49):
permitted for women withserious mitochondrial diseases, not
for general fertilitytreatments. And there's tons and
tons of debate about this,about the ethics, about the safety,
about designer babies, youknow, all of that kind of stuff.
And I imagine there it's notgoing to be long for the world that
there would be like a parentaldebate. Like the surrogacy thing

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that we talked about.
Well, that's. I. I think theymade a mistake calling it a three
parent baby. I mean, I. Whereyou right off the gate. You got a
marketing problem.
Because it's a good point. Anddoctors didn't call it that. It was
the media that called it thatand the various facilities marketing
teams, they kind of presentedit that way. But the doctors themselves
were like, this isn't a threeparent baby. Yeah, but once it's

(29:32):
out in the world, it's out inthe world.
It's out in the world. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I feel like this would be agood premise for a sequel to the
Hand that Rocks the Cradle. Ooh.
See, I went junior.
Oh, yeah. Yep, yep.
I went three men and a baby.Those three men are the dads of the
baby somehow.
Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of. If you don'twant to make Mr. Wrong too Hollywood,

(29:52):
we got lots of options forother films.
We got a situational sitcomfor you that's guaranteed to make
money. Wow. So, yeah, threeparent babies giving hope to thruffles
everywhere.
I've never heard of that.
Me neither.
Fascinating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about you, Heath?
The film I'd like to talkabout now features what I would call

(30:13):
a once in a generation talent.
Oh, my God.
You may know her best asViolet from Saved by the Bell or
Donna Martin from 90210. Oh,my. But I'm talking about Tori spelling
in the 1996 TV film Mother MayI Sleep With Danger.
This is the second ToriSpelling TV movie you brought. And
I love it.
I love it.

(30:34):
Mother May I Sleep with Danger.
Yep, I remember that.
Yeah, I do too.
I mean, that's a hard title to forget.
It really is. The marketingdid well on that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In themovie, Tori Spelling plays a college
student named Laurel, and shehas just started dating the charming
and handsome Kevin. Things aregoing fine for a while, but Kevin

(30:55):
starts to get reallypossessive. And when Laurel notices
this, she thinks his intenseaffection means that he must love
her a lot.
Oh, but yeah.
Come on, Laurel.
Common Pitfit. Yep.
Yep. So as time passes, Kevinis a dick and he upsets Laurel and
then he apologizes and thenshe accepts the apology. And then
it all happens again andagain. And you know, we all saw that

(31:15):
coming. When Kevin meetsLaurel's mother, Jessica, it somehow
makes Kevin even more jealousand controlling and convinces Laurel.
He convinces Laurel to cut herhair and to bleach her hair. Partly
to piss off her mom and partlyso she'd look more like his ex girlfriend.
Aaron says, cry Aaron.
And this all seemed fine andnormal. Right? We're all right. No.

(31:39):
No red flags here, everybody.
No. None.
No.
Proceed.
Okay. Yeah. You would thinkonce you get to a teenage girl cutting
and dyeing their hair, theymight wake up, but nope. Okay. Yeah.
So Jessica, you know, mom, shesuspects that something is up with
Kevin, and then he's not theguy that he's claiming to be. And
you know what? She's right.
Oh, my God.
No way.

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Because Kevin is actuallyBilly. What?
His name's not even Kevin.
Right. And Billy is someonewho murdered his ex girlfriend, Aaron,
because she kissed Billy'sfriend Kevin.
Oh. Oh, so he took the deadE's name.
No, Kevin's still alive.
Oh, Kevin's still alive. Hemurdered the girl.
Right. He murdered the girl.When Kevin left town, Billy assumed

(32:21):
his identity for reasons thatare kind of unclear. Because, I mean,
I don't assume a lot of otherpeople's identity, but I don't just
do it when they're, like, outof town for a week. Like, I go for
somebody who is.
Yeah. Not gonna come back.
Right.
Yeah.
Not gonna show up and ruin the fun.
And also, I mean, I'm assumingit's implied he never got caught
for that murder of Andy.
Right, Right.
And my assumption was that thepolice knew that someone named Billy

(32:44):
committed the murder. And soBilly was like, if I say I'm Kevin,
I'm free and clear. Yeah.
Because they can't take intoconsideration he might change his
name.
Right.
Wow.
They'll just be like, so,what's your name? Your name's Kevin.
Oh, okay. Well, it's not you.We're looking for a Billy.
Yeah. Can I see an id? No.
Nope. All right, we'll takeyour word for it.
Yeah. You seem like a nice guy.

(33:05):
Yeah.
And then when Kevin does getback to town, you know, Billy just
murders him so he won't blowhis cover.
Oh.
Oh, Billy. Billy's bad news,you guys.
Yeah. Who's playing Billy, bythe way? Do we know him?
Oh, what was his name? Ivan.Sergei was his name. And he was on
a. He was on a show on the CWin the mid-90s. Okay, I'm gonna look

(33:25):
him up.
Continue.
So then Billy convinces Laurelto move into a cabin in the woods
with him.
Oh, sure. Nothing can go wrong there.
Well, it happened with my AuntTitus, so there we go.
She agrees, but she says sheneeds to get a phone line installed.
Not long after that, sherealizes that he's not getting the
phone line installed like hesaid he was going to. Again. For

(33:45):
a teenage girl, that's onestep too far. Like, she's like, I
need the phone.
Yeah.
So Billy decides to drug andabduct Laurel and uses her car as
the getaway vehicle.
Jesus Christ.
This is like some fucked upshit for a TV movie, right?
It's a lot.
Yeah. Meanwhile, Laurel's mom,Jessica, has figured out what Billy
has been up to and tells thepolice, who should probably be embarrassed
that they were scooped by thisperson. And she did it before the

(34:08):
Internet existed. I mean, shejust, you know, figured it out.
She asked the right question.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Billy's abduction plan hits asnag when Laurel's car breaks down.
Luckily, she has aaa and hecalls AAA for help. And that's how
Jessica finds out where theyare, because AAA told her that, you
know, like someone called infor your. This car breakdown and

(34:30):
this is where, you know, wesent people to help them. Yeah. When
Laura wakes up, she locksherself in the cabin, but Billy uses
an ax to. To break in, youknow, so now we're kind of in horror
movie territory.
In the Shining. Yeah.
The hell did he get an axe?
The cabin ax? The cabin camewith one, I guess.
Okay, Okay.
I mean, you just carry an axe, right?

(34:51):
Yeah. This was a thing that weshould have noticed ahead of time
that he was always carrying anaxe on his waist and also like on
his belt. Utility belt, pagerand an axe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just as Billy is gettinginto the cabin, Jessica shows up
and her and Laurel fight withBilly. And Laurel grabs an oar from
a nearby rowboat and hitsBilly in the head with it.
Okay.

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He falls into the lake thatwas near the cabin. The women embrace
and they realize that now he'sdisappeared. He felt. He's just felt
his lake and he's gone. Right.So next scene is Billy on a date
with another young woman wholooks just like Laurel and Aaron.
Like that's the way the movieends. He doesn't get caught, he gets
away and he's just out in theworld doing this to somebody else
again.
Oh, bleak.

(35:33):
Some bleak shit.
Yeah, it's packishly bleak. Iwas thinking when you were saying,
like, it's a made for TVmovie, so in between there you're
seeing ads for like Play doh.And you know, Levi's jeans and. Yeah,
like, like that's such a.
And probably beauty productsto make you.
Look good for Your man Revlondye or something? Yeah, hair dye.

(35:54):
Good luck.
Yeah.
Do you need to dye your hairfor your boyfriend?
Yeah. Look at our new campingaxe at Camping World.
Clairol can hook you up.
Yeah.
The movie aired on NBC onSeptember 30, 1996. This part was
very. The only funny thingabout any of this. Tori Spelling

(36:15):
started a campaign in 2004 tohave the movie released on DVD. And
it just took seven years tomake that happen and it was finally
released on DVD. I don't feellike in 2004, I do not recall a mass
public uprising. I'm like, weneed a DVD of Mother Mary sleep with
danger. We need this. No, Idon't recall that, but apparently

(36:35):
Tori Spelling had her ear tothe streets and I did not.
Wow.
Well, you know, of all thecauses you could take on, that's
a great one. Yeah.
In 2016, James Franco, of allpeople, executive produced a remake
of the film for LifetimeTelevision. Foreman.
James Franco.
I don't know if he should be producing.

(36:56):
No, he seems like he'd be someone.
This was before we know whatwe know about James Franco. The updated
storyline featured a youngwoman who falls for another young
woman who is a vampire.
What? Wait a minute, wait a minute.
This is a loose setup, right?
What's the male guy quote,unquote, remake. They're like playing.

(37:16):
They're playing fast and loosewith what that means Tori Spellin
and Ivan Sergey, you know, whowe talked about, he played Billy
in the original film. Bothappeared in the remake.
Oh, no.
Because they had the time.
Yeah.
And James Franco said that hewas sort of inspired to make the
film after seeing, if youremember Will Ferrell's Lifetime

(37:37):
movie, A Deadly Adoption wherehim and Kristen Wiig kind of lampooned
Lifetime movies on Lifetime.
Yeah.
Apparently James Franco wantedto get in on that action.
I just imagine a lot of peopleunderstood that that was like a.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah. Mother mightasleep with danger. I feel like mom's
answer would be no, but Ithink Toris fellow did it anyway.

(38:00):
That feels like a JudithKrantz crancy.
It does feel like a. Yeah,like a Mary Higgins Clark title.
Right? It's a Crance sitch.
Yeah. Oh, Tori Spelling, youhad our hearts in the 90s, sort of.
As a side note, did you everwatch her reality show with her husband?
When I saw bits and pieces ofit and I just. It just. She's just

(38:24):
desperate to be on camera.
I think it's rough. It wasrough. It was. And speaking as reality
TV connoisseurs I love it. Ilove a breakdown. I love you making
a fool of yourself. And it wastoo dark. Like, it felt too sad.
You're like, I don't thinkthis is achieving what you think
it is.
No. Yeah. It's not reallyentertaining to, like, watch her

(38:44):
and her mom not get along.
Yeah. Kids that she can'teven, like, they're like, we don't
have any money.
Tori's Spelling was like that.
Oh, yeah.
They.
Her and her, like, they haveso many kids. And famously, like,
her mom doesn't give her anymoney from her dad's estate. Nothing.
So, like, they don't.
Oh, my God.
Candy Spelling's keeping thosepurse strings tight.

(39:06):
Yeah.
What's next for you, Aaron?
Oh, shit, I forgot I'm next.All right, well, I'm, you know. Love
a true crime. Love a truecrime. And we didn't discuss in 1996
one that. You know, it'sweird. I think some people really
know a lot about this case,and some people have never heard
of it. That's the case ofBernie TD Who.

(39:27):
I know nothing about this. If you.
Some people know it becauseJack Black later starred in a movie
called Bernie.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Okay. And this Bernie is aformer mortician that is in a Texas
prison for the 1996 murder ofMarjorie Nugent, who was a well to
do widow who Bernie shot todeath before hiding her body in a

(39:51):
freezer for several months.
Seems like Bernie would haveaccess to other ways to dispose of
that body.
That was my very first thought.
What are we doing? Puttingthem in the freezer.
And I think you sort of tookout any ability to say, like, it
was an accident. I didn't, youknow, store them.
Someone mislabeled the corpse.
Oh, Bernie, you're not smart,buddy. Okay, so.

(40:15):
What is the strangest part,though, is that Nugent just disappeared.
Right. Because she wasmurdered and stored in a freezer.
And literally no one in theworld seemed to care. No one in this
town that knew her, becauseeveryone kind of knew her to be this
grumpy curmudgeon of a lady,and they just were like, oh, well,
you know what? I guess she'sgone. Like, no one thought to say,

(40:35):
I.
Suspect I know how. I'm going out.
Yeah.
Yeah. This is our future.
I'm gonna be in a freezer andno one's gonna care.
Yep.
And partially because TD wasin a relationship with Nugent, who
was 40 years older than him.
Oh, boy.
And apparently was so wellliked in the small community that

(40:56):
when this Crime was eventuallydiscovered. They actively. Like,
the town actively foughtagainst his incarceration and said
no. He's an incredibly kind,generous person. Like, with this
isn't she probably had itcoming. It basically is the rest
of it, I'm guessing. I mean,that's basically what you're saying.
If you don't want himprosecuted. Clearly he had the body

(41:17):
in his freezer. I mean, thisisn't like we're just speculating
and he was around and they'retrying to blame him. Like, he didn't
get steamrolled, people. Hehad a body. Like, that's. That's
a toughie. Yeah, that's atoughie. And they were like, listen,
Bernie's a great guy.Marjorie, on the other hand, not
a fan, which is a wild way topick sides in a murder. But apparently

(41:38):
the thing you can do. I didn'tknow. Yeah. A whole town got together.
I mean, not only just oneperson, but no one in that town was
like, pump the brakes.
Yeah.
Like he murdered someone.Like, isn't that also. Have you never
watched any, like, crime profiling?
I was gonna say this feelslike a con of some kind.
I mean, some murderers can benotoriously charming.

(41:59):
Yeah.
Like, that's Ted Bundy. That'show they got right where they got.
So it's surprising to me thathe got a whole town to just give
in.
Did dateline exist in 1996?
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. So there's no excusethen. They should know.
They should know.
Yeah.
But part. Part of the theoryof why the town was fine with it
is because he spent a lot ofNugent 6 million dollar fortune on

(42:25):
people in the town. He gavevarious gifts to people.
This is like out of theMafioso playbook. You spend money
on the community and everyoneloves you. Yeah. Yes.
And he sort of confessed, andpeople were still like, I don't think
he did it. Body in the freezersort of confessed, spend her money.
So he knew she was gone. Imean, she was gone. He spent her

(42:47):
money. And they were like, wasthat real, though?
Quick question. Who do youthink these people voted for in the
presidential election? That'sa tough one.
That's a real tough one.
I think they're still votingfor Ross Perot. Still writing him
in.
Yep. Yeah, that sounds right.
Or Bernie. I don't know. Theymight be writing him in. Yeah. So

(43:08):
Jack Black portrayed T.D. inthe 2011 movie Bernie. And although
T.D. was convicted in 1999 andsentenced to life, he was released
in 2014 pending a secondtrial. But in 2016, his original
sentence of 99 years wasreinstated. 99 years? Yeah. And I
read that Jack Black did a lotof. Spent a lot of time with him

(43:31):
to play him in the movie,like, talk to him a lot and stuff,
and still keeps in touch withhim, which I thought was kind of
wild. And I don't know ifthat's a self preservation move,
like, let me stay on your goodside in case you get released again
or what, But I.
Guess, is this like one ofthose you're not the worst thing
you've ever done things?
I guess, but I don't. I mean,like, he. Bernie basically admitted

(43:52):
that he, like, con. I mean, hewasn't in love with her. He didn't
fall in love with her. He wasin a relationship with her, but he
knew she was wealthy, like.
Right.
So it starts to, you know. Didyou just get tired of waiting for
her to croak?
Yeah.
Like. Or, you know, she wasjust too mean.
There's Shirley MacLaine inthe movie. Yes. I never saw the movie.
Did you guys?
I didn't either. I kind of aminterested now that I read more about

(44:15):
the case, but just to seewhat. Like, what this. Where this
theory holds water. Because ifyou just read the facts, you're like,
how did anyone in this townthink I think about myself? I guess
I live in a somewhat smallertown, and I'm gonna have a hard time
people convincing me thatsomeone that had a body in their
freezer, we should get behindand support.
That said, if one of you guyshad a body in the freezer, I'm supporting

(44:35):
you 100%.
Right. Right. But I'm doing.
Yeah.
All right.
We need to talk aboutsomething after this.
Yeah, good. I said what Isaid, and it's true.
Well, I would assume at thatpoint I'm accomplice, because you
can call me and I'll help youget the body in the freezer. That's
not a problem. But if I don'tknow you and you did a sweetheart
scam, I would assume you had agood reason. If there's a body in

(44:56):
your freezer, you killed for a purpose.
Yes.
Just to get the six mil. Imean, I guess that's a good purpose,
too. I'd support you.
I'm just picturing he's beinglike, I don't want any of this.
Yeah.
And then that's when themurder happens. And I'm. I'm in.
I'm in.
And then this group of fttsshows up and says, we got this.

(45:17):
That's the alibi. I waspromised an FTT and he did not deliver.
He did not deliver.
And this tea is bad.
Just catnip.
Said my tongue was subpar.
Yeah. So.
Okay, well, good to know wherewe stand. Well, kind of in the same
vein of, you know, dudes thatare up to no good. Although this

(45:38):
has a slightly differentfocus. I'm talking about fear.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This was a movie, MarkWahlberg's big.
Comeback from the Funky Bunch.
This is a movie that featureda young Reese Witherspoon and she
plays 16 year old Nicole wholives in the suburbs of Seattle with

(45:59):
her father and his new wifeand her stepbrother. And her father
is the guy from csi.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mark Harmon.
No, no. Will Peterson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
And her stepmom is AmyBrennaman. Oh, judging Amy. So many
other things. Yeah. With herglorious hair. Her hair is so glorious.

(46:22):
Anyway, so while Nicole.
That's the best side notewe've had in a while.
I don't know why. There'ssomething about her hair.
I love it. I don't know why either.
Yeah. So Nicole is out withher best friend Margo, played by
Alyssa Milano.
Oh.
Oh, good for Alyssa Milano forgetting a movie role.

(46:48):
So while they're out at a cafe.
Alyssa Milano and ReeseWitherspoon were in.
The same film playing best friends.
Wow, that's wild.
That is wild.
Yeah. The divergent careerpaths post this film.
And all I could think of whenI saw Alyssa Milano was the Brett
Kavanaugh sketch I was justthinking of in front of Alyssa Milano.

(47:09):
Yeah.
I was just thinking when youdid she contact Reese? Like, do you
want to sit in on this with me?
Yeah.
And Reese is like, no again,no to everything you offered me since
that movie. It's a no.
I'm good. So while they're outwith their friend Gary, Nicole meets
David and instantly falls forhis good looks and charm. And David

(47:30):
is Mark Wahlberg, fresh offthe Funky Bunch.
Say hi to your mother for me.
That's the one. That's theone. So Nicole's dad instantly dislikes
David. Something about himjust doesn't sit right. And he gets
angry when David willfullydisregards Nicole's curfew. And ultimately

(47:53):
it's a power struggle overwho's controlling Nicole, which is
a super infuriating tale. It'slike that story, but it's all about
the dad and the boyfriend andwho can, you know, pull Nicole their
way. And dad feels a realsense of ownership, which is super
Gross.
Right?
But here we are.Unfortunately, dad is right. David

(48:14):
soon becomes possessive andjealous of Nicole, and he attacks
their friend Gary when he seesthem hugging, beating him up, and
giving Nicole a black eye.Accidentally in the process. Accidentally.
As a result, she breaks upwith him, but he apologizes, so they
get back together.
Son of a bitch.
So David invites Nicole to aparty at his friend's house. She

(48:37):
goes and she sees her friendMargot smoking crack.
Whoa.
And apparently going off.Yeah, and apparently going off to
have sex with David on thecrack. Yes.
Gosh.
Except what actually happenedis Margot was raped by David.
Nobody else gasped that felt left.

(48:57):
The next day. The next day,Nicole confronts David about his
infidelity and breaks up withhim for good. And she also confronts
Margot, and Marco's like, no,no, no, no, no. You know, David raped
me. And she's like, no, thatdidn't happen. David wouldn't do
that.
So come on. Women support women.
Not in 1996.
Gosh.
Also, you believed that hewould cheat on you, but not that
he would rape.

(49:18):
Right?
Like, he wouldn't do that. Butyep. Okay.
Yeah, we've. And we've set ourfriendship aside, you know, like,
yeah, all those years withMargot. Doesn't matter. So then we
start ramping it upsignificantly. After seeing Gary
the friend, help Nicole intoher stepmom's car, David follows
Gary and kills him.
Oh, God damn, I should havesaved the gasp.

(49:40):
Both were gasp worthy.
Okay, thank you.
Nicole goes to the mall. Davidcorners her in the women's restroom,
vowing that he will not letanyone stand in the way of him having
Nicole to himself. Oh, it'shot, right? Super hot.
I mean, the bathroom part Icould do without.
Yeah, yeah. Dad hears aboutthis, and he breaks into David's

(50:01):
house. He discovers a shrinethat David has made for Nicole, so
he trashes the house.
I don't feel like, is dadsupposed to be the good guy in this?
Because I feel like he'smaking some shitty decisions, too.
Neither of them are good guys.
There was another option.
There was another option. Yeah.
91 1.
Yep.
911.
But nope. Dad, he's protectinghis property. So that's what's happening.

(50:25):
Stand your ground.
In retaliation for thevandalism, David heads to Nicole's
house with his four friends,aiming to hurt the family and abduct
Nicole.
So David got like. He's got aband of also misogynist people.
Yep. He's got four buddies.
A funky bunch, per se.

(50:46):
He does have a funky bunch.
This was not his moving on.From that.
But no goodbye Britain. Nogood vibrations for this funky bun.
Vibrations were decidedly bad.
So at the same time, Margottells Nicole about Gary's death.
But David and the gang, theFunky Bunch, arrive and they behead
the family dog.

(51:08):
No. What did the dog do?
Nothing. The Funky Bunch isgoing bad.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Good dog.
I mean. And then they'retrying to break inside. So dad and
Amy Brennaman are barricadingthe doors, and they start attacking
the guys with power tools.David takes dad hostage. One of the

(51:29):
friends, one of the FunkyBunch tries to rape Nicole. Margot
arrives and it tries tointervene, but is knocked unconscious.
Shit's going down, people.
God, was Margo on crack whenshe showed up?
Maybe.
Okay. Also, I mean, Seattlehas a police department, right?
Apparently not.
Okay.
No. Also, at this point, thishouse is pretty big because there's

(51:51):
private security down theroad. So Nicole is trying to signal
to private security to comehelp them. Private security's on
a break. They're not seeingthis. Yeah. David shoots his friend
dead for attempting to rapeNicole and then tells her that he
intends to kill her father sothat he can finally have her, believing
that Nicole will forgive andaccept him.

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Oh.
David's ready to kill dad. ButNicole saves her dad by impaling
David with a peace pipe.
What?
Oh.
What?
That's cultural appropriation.Also, that's not how that was intended
to be used.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.Explain to me what they're referring
to as a peace pipe that I don't.
Have an image of. But we doknow it was a gift from David. Like,

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David came and brought a peacepipe. I don't know, as a peace offering
or something. But Nicole usesit as a weapon, so not her beloved.
Okay. Not a bong.
No, no. I'm picturing almostlike a.
Why did I always think that's.What, a piece.
I mean, I think it's used thesame way.

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I'm picturing a long, longpipe with a little, like, thing at
the end. You know, like a.Like a pipe, but just elongated.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah. Okay.
David attempts to attackNicole after he's been fatally impaled.
Oh, God. David. Take a hint.
But dad throws him to hisdeath through the bedroom window.
And that's when the police andparamedics arrive.

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Oh, my God.
So they do exist. And see.
Yeah, they just. They were ona break, too, apparently.
Yeah. When I found this factout, it explained a lot about the
movie. So producer BrianGrazer came up with the idea for
the movie while on a skiingtrip with his daughter.
Jesus.
Oh.
So he's thinking a possessionof his daughter. And so he comes

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up with this movie. LeonardoDiCaprio was originally looked at
for the role of David, but hedidn't think he was right for the
parts. So he put in a goodword for Mark Wahlberg because they've
just done the BasketballDiaries together.
Was it a good one?
Is that a compliment, Leo?That's what I'd be like.
He's like, I'm not gonna doit. But maybe this guy.
Yeah, he seemed like a real.
Yeah, that seems like you're purposely.

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He seems like a dirt bag. Ifyou remember this movie, chances
are you remember there's aroller coaster scene where she's
getting fingered by MarkWahlberg. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently
that was something that thedirector thought of on his own and
asked her on set if she woulddo it. And she said no, which good
for her, because she was stillvery young and saying no. But yeah,

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it was like it wasn't in thescript. It was something that suddenly
just came up. So she requesteda stunt double for the sex scene
during the sequence. So Idon't know quite how that worked
out because we still see her,but yeah. Anyway, so it sounds like
a creepy ass set too. The filmdid okay. Got 20 million in the US
the reviews point at what I'mtalking about. So Mick of the San

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Francisco Chronicle, he saysit contains enough truth about fathers,
teenage daughters and younglust to distinguish it from most
thrillers. It's a nightmarefantasy for fathers, Nick. So Mick
got the message. The daughtersare your property, and you can't
have some guy coming andstealing your property.
Does Mick have a daughter?
Apparently Jesus Owen ofEntertainment Weekly.

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Oh, yeah.
Said it did a fine job evokingthe sexual tensions between the father,
daughter and rogue suitor.
Oh, I hate all these reviews.
Movie historian Leonard Maltingave the picture two out of four
stars, and he said that MarkWahlberg is menacing as the love
struck hood, but he couldbenefit from diction lessons.

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It's an interesting takeaway.
I feel like that's just himbashing on his Boston.
Exactly. Like that's just hisaccent. So all of this aside, in
2019, it was announced theywere going to do a remake with Brian
Grazer again as the producer.So it's going to be great. And then
in October 2022, it wasreported that a television series

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adaptation of the films indevelopment at Peacock.
I feel, how do you makesomething like that into a television
series? Like, we don't needthat to be drawn out over 10 episodes.
Sure don't.
I don't need it at all anyway.
Fear, starring a young ReeseWitherspoon and a young Wahlberger's
CEO. I couldn't think of thename. I couldn't think of the name.

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That's fair. Oh, my.
Yeah.
Heath, do you have a palettecleanser, or is yours just as dark?
I don't think it's as dark.
Okay.
It's. You know the movie Striptease?
Sure do.
It's gonna seem like a nicelittle thump, a breath of fresh air
after that. Striptease wasreleased in June of 1996 and stars

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Demi Moore. And she was paid$12.5 million for the role, which
at the time, which was themost a woman had ever been paid to
be in a movie.
To take her clothes off.
Yep. That same year, JimCarrey was paid $20 million to star
in the Cable Guy. And it wasinteresting because nobody really
acknowledged that paydiscrepancy. Right. And also interesting

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is that both movies are prettybad, and Timmy Moore and Jim Carrey's
giant paychecks did not makethem better.
No.
The plot of this movie is themost contrived mess I've ever seen
cobbled together in. And Ithink I've managed to boil it down
to something that we can sortof follow.
At least I'm ready.
So Demi Moore plays ErinGrant. Again, lots of errands.

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Erin.
So many errands.
So many errands.
You're an inspiration. Yeah.
She's a former FBI officeassistant who lost her job. Office
assistant.
What?
I don't know why they couldn'thave made her an agent, but she's
an office assistant. She losther job because it was discovered
that her ex husband is a drugaddict at a drug dealer.

(57:46):
Okay.
Yeah. So she loses her jobbecause of what her ex husband is
up to. Cool.
They're like, we can getanother secretary. Great.
The ex husband also getscustody of their daughter. So Aaron
takes a job as a dancer at theEager Beaver.
How'd he get custody of the daughter?
I think when she lost her job,he was like, she doesn't have a job.

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And that's how cool.
Okay. 1996 was a great yearfor women. Yeah.
Killing it.
The Eager Beaver's in Miami,and she takes the job so she can
earn enough money to getcustody of her daughter again, which,
again, I don't know that,like, that's the job to take to try
to convince a judge to giveyou custody.

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Right, right, right, right.
While working at the StripClub. Aaron makes friends with Shad,
who is played by Vin Rhames.
Oh.
He's the head of security. Andshe also meets David Dillbeck, who's
played by Burt Reynolds.
Oh, no, I didn't know he wasin this.
He's a politician, and hebecomes obsessed with her.
Great.

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To the surprise of reallynobody. Dilbeck turns out to be a
corrupt politician, and he'ssort of tangentially sort of involved
with a murder or two. And thenAaron gets involved in it somehow,
and in the end, she exposeshim and gets her daughter back. And
it's never really meant tomade clear why the story was that

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she had to become a stripper.I think it was supposed to be an
empowering thing, but I alsothink there were lots of ways to
be empowered with your top on. Sure.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's been my experience.
I don't remember the plot atall, but I remember all the marketing
about, like, how amazing. Andlook at Demi. She learned all these

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moves and. Oh, my God.
Yeah. And it was based on abook that was really popular, but
again, I think it was popularwith probably guys for, like, you
know, this lady goes andbecomes a stripper because she.
That's the ultimate fantasy, right?
Yeah.
But she was still smart andcould do stuff, right?
Yeah. This does feel likeevery dude's wet dream, this whole

(59:52):
plot. Yeah.
The movie was marketed as acomedy because Showgirls, which was
released the previous year,was not well received, and they wanted
to kind of differentiate itfrom Showgirls, which, again, it
was like, if you're worriedthat your movie is looking too much
like Showgirls, maybe. Maybemake some changes to the story.
Like, marketing as a comedy isa tough battle.

(01:00:13):
Huh. Okay.
Interestingly enough, though,the movies. Both movies shared a
choreographer, and her namewas Marguerite Derricks. So I don't
know if that lady.
Is good on you.
That's like, good. Like smalltalk at a cocktail party. Like, listen,
I helped with Showgirls and Striptease.
Someday it'll be yourgranddaughter. You know what my grandma

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did?
Yeah.
Striptease was in theaters atthe same time as Disney's the Hunchback
of Notre Dame.
Oh.
Which featured Demi Moore inthe role of Esmeralda. She was. And
I feel like the people atDisney were not super thrilled with
how this timing all worked out.
Probably no.
1. A year after it wasreleased, Striptease was in the news

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again because it was shown ina fourth grade class in Chicago.
What? How the hell did that happen?
The teacher apparently letStudents vote on which movie they
wanted to watch in class, andthis is the movie that won. And I
guess that teacher justbelieves in democracy. Democracy
so much that they had nochoice but to show the movie.

(01:01:18):
How was that of the voting options?
How was that on the.
For also what it's worth,Scream, which came out in 1996 too,
was also shown at the sameschool on the same day in a different
class.
Cool. This is a great school.
And I feel like it must havebeen, like, the last day of school
or something. And thoseteachers were just like, sorry, I'm.
I'm fresh out of fucks. Like,I don't care. Just hit play, be quiet,

(01:01:40):
leave me alone.
And also maybe a littlepunishment for, like, you know. Oh,
yeah, Fuck you, kids.
You're not going to fall.
Yeah.
So at the premiere ofStriptease, Demi Moore debuted her
newly shaved head. She hadbuzzed her hair for her role in GI
Jane, another bad movie thatmaybe we'll talk about at another
point. Striptease. You mightbe surprised, but Striptease did

(01:02:04):
not win any Academy Awards.
Damn it.
But it did win six razzies,including worst Picture, Worst Director,
Worst Actress, WorstScreenplay, Worst screen Couple,
and worst Original Song for aditty named and this is a quote,
pussy, pussy, whose kitty catare you with? Music and lyrics by
Marvin Smokey Montgomery.

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What in the actual. We'regonna need to listen to that.
I like it.
And that is Striptease.
That should probably be ouroutro this week. It's just that.
So.

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I was gonna say we can have abag sale to cover the licensing.
It's not on Spotify. Wait, letme go to Striptease and see.
You're gonna get. You're gonnaget so many weird ads now.
So many weird ads. Who's. I'mgonna turn this down. Don't worry.

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But we need this on here.
I'm trying, too, and I'mgetting nothing.
Yeah, I'm getting a song bythe Light Crust Doughboys.
I got that too.
And I was like, oh, my God.The first recording and first release
by Light crust doughboys in1938. What?
He won a razzie for firstworst original song for that.

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Hey, Miller, I lost my littleP. Will you help me find it? This
is the original. Of course. Of course.
Of course.
Come on, gang.
Let's call it.
Where can you be?

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Seems happy.
Wow. Well, if that was thesong, good for them. Yeah.
Killed it.
Okay, well, I'm sure that wasworth it. The last, you know, two
minutes of just silence andsearching. But, hey, had to do it.
Had to do it.
Yeah.
Needed to be done.
All right, good job, everybody.