April 3, 2025 • 7 mins
Jack Lawrence host of “One Minute Remaining” interviews inmates all over the world who have some pretty interesting stories to tell!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we're catching up with a friend of our show, JK.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Jack Lawrence, who has a couple of podcasts but they've
taken off around the world.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Jack, Welcome to the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Thank you guys. It's a long time listening, first time visitor.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, all right, So the podcast, mate, It's true crime,
has taken over the world. Podcasts everywhere, so to actually
compete with other podcasts is number one. Someone else in
the room's got a podcast, by the way, and it
is a difficult thing, but she produces very good podcasts,
So we we'll get that out of the one.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We have a mama, go and check it out across promotion.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
But that's not true crime.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh sometimes story, So tell us about one minute remaining
to start with.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I never actually intended to start a true podcast
at all. I started building a podcast initially about what
was called the lottery curse, and one of the stories
was like this headline said on ninety percent of people
who win the last year within twelve months have no friends,
no family, and no money left. And I'm like that
can't be true, Like it's the it's the dream to
win the lottery. So I started researching this lottery curse,
(01:03):
and as part of that, I was found this story
about this guy called Abraham Ley Shakespeare who won lottery
in Florid. He won seventeen million dollars and then a
year later he was discovered de ceased, buried in the
backyard of a woman by the name of drees More.
And she'd always claimed that she hadn't done the crime.
So I thought, oh, that'd be interesting. That'd make a
couple of good episodes for my lottery podcasts. Or wrote
her a letter and said, hey, would you tell me
(01:24):
your story? And she wrote back and said yeah, I'd
love to. But we started recording her story and it
was so confusing and convoluted that I'm just like, I'm
not going to make any sense of this. How am
I going to piece this together? And one day she
said to me, would you like to speak to my
law clerk who's helping me get back into prison? And
I'm just like, absolutely, that'll all helped me. You know,
someone who understands the legal staff that she's not as
close to it, she or helped me understand it. So
I said, give me the number, I'll give her a call,
(01:44):
and she said, oh no, no, I can arrange it
from here. And I said, what do you mean, She
goes she's in prison with me? What?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I just went, sorry, what just for law clerk?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, the law clerk was in prison because at this
time I was very unnaive to the system, and law
clerk's actually a massive thing in prison, the other prison
who help prisoners with their legal cases. But so I said, yeah, absolutely,
I love to talk to her. And her name was
Kimberly Boone. And then she called me and I said, look, Kim,
before we get into Teresa's situation, can you tell me
a little bit about your story, And then she proceeded
(02:14):
to tell me this insane story about how she'd been
arrested and tried for attempted murder on her husband twice.
She was acquitted of shooting him, but then was found
guilty of setting the house on fire with him inside it.
And I kind of had this sort of light bulb
moment where I'm just like the lottery podcast was proving
too difficult because fundly enough people who waste all their
money on the lottery and on drugs. I pretend to
want to talk about it. This is my new idea.
(02:36):
I want to tell the story stories of people are incarcerated,
their side of the story. I said, do you think
there'll be anyone else that would want to tell me
the story? And she's like, I think I can find
a few people. So she had started acting as my
in prison producer and was just walking around the prison saying, Hey,
I've got this Australian guy who's doing this. Do you
want to talk to him? And that was it. Rest
is History, and fifty something episodes later, I've spoken to
(02:57):
thirty five.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So how many pers how many people have you interviewed
that say they shouldn't be in jail?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Like I do speak to a number of people who
say they're innocent that the crimes are convicted of. Of course,
not all of them are telling me the truth, and
I know that, but there are people who I do
believe one hundred and ten percent. And there's other people
I've spoken to have actually since I've spoken to them,
been exonerated of the That was.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
My next question.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you spoke to people they said I'm innocent. Yeah,
So was the anything that you did in that conversation
used to actually bring the case up again to free them?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I get asked this question a lot, and I as
much as I would love to say yes it was
all my doing. No, nothing I have done, and people saying,
you know, you've drawn attention to their story, but all
that the people that so far have been released. Like
there's a young man called every Socialist Junior. I mean
not young anymore. He's forty three, but.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He was putting very young, very young man.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's all right, don't remember forty this does okay, But yeah,
he was put in prison like at fifteen, so he
was fifteen years of age when he went to prison
for a crime he said he didn't commit, which was
a murder. And I met him probably I think it
was four or five months prior to him eventually being released,
but we didn't realize that was obviously going to happen.
And he told me his story and it was just incredible,
and looking into it, I'm just like, there's no way
(04:10):
this happened. You know, you had a snitch that put
him behind bars, saying yeah, he admitted to it. Then
that snitch came out and said, now, actually I made
it up because the detective he was in charge of
the case told me to make it up. By the way,
was the way he would mate honestly like some of
these stories.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now you have turned the podcast into a stage show,
so tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah. So, well, it seems to me everything or the
thing all the range with podcasts at the moment is
doing live shows. And I was approached and asked if
I would like to do a live show, and I
was sort of umming and arrying about how I would
do it or what I would do it on, and
then a story, much like the podcast itself, kind of
just fell in my lap. This guy got in touch
with me, and he sounded like an interesting character. He
(04:50):
was working on some legal loopholes which could see like
thousands of inmates being released from Michigan. So I did
some research on him and then suddenly discovered that not
only was he doing that, but he was also suing.
He did he for one hundred million dollars, and not
only that, he won the case against Peter, so.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He's owned that money. And he's from inside jail.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, he did it, did it all from inside jail
by himself, no attorney's just him. And the story just
got even more and more insane the more I was
talking to him. And this so the live show is
basically me taking people through sort of a bit behind
the scenes of my thought process with quote questions that
I sort of ask, and on the show, I don't
tend to give my opinion.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So to speak.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I just kind of let the inmates tell their stories
and then let the listeners sort of just decide what
they think, whereas to the live show, it's a little
bit more about me sort of saying, well, look, this
is my opinion, this is what I was thinking when
he told me this, and this is my reason for
my question. So we do that tell that story, which
has an ending that I've never had in the history
of doing my show, where we get into a bit
of a so we say back and forth myself and
(05:49):
this this inmate.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So heated argument but not heeded, but I.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Catch him out. Let's just say, a a in a
quite a large porky pie.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So you call him on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I call them out. Yeah, I do call them out,
and it gets very even more bizarre, and then we
sort of combinate the show with actually me having a
live chat with one of the guys that I speak
to who's in corresrated, which we mentioned him briefly just
a minute ago, temaging Kenzu, who's in cars red and
has been since nineteen eighty six for crime he literally
could not possibly have committed.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
In your live show, you actually get him online? Is
it via Facebook? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yes, Look because he's not allowed a call, no, we
do it in it's not a legal thing for him
to do. He's obviously not allowed to be talking to
me live. They should only use the prison phone system.
But obviously most people will not be surprised that prisoners
are quite ingenious when it comes to working out ways
around the system because they've got nothing but time, and
(06:46):
they get given these tablets that they can basically email.
Often when the email system goes through a prison system
and they all their emails get read and stuff like that.
But they've got these tablets, and someone has figured out
how to hack these tablets so that they can access
the internet probably or they can actually thinks like Facebook
and Gmail. And I had a guy ring me one
night out of the blue. I was sitting there watching
the TV with my wife and this my phone started
(07:07):
ringing and this guy goes, HI, is that Jack, And yeah,
he goes, my name's Rio. I hear you tell the
stories of people like me. I'm like, it depends who
you are, and he goes, I'm incarcerated in Florida. I
was wondering if he wanted to have a chat with me,
and then he proceeded to tell me about how he's
got they've got Wi Fi dongles in their cell and
you know, they hot spot off each other's Wi Fi
and all this sort of stuff going on here. Cigarettes
and coke cigarettes are still a massive commoo commodity and
(07:31):
extremely expensive in prison.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Made it honestly, well, congratulations, it's a fascinating story yours
alone in setting this up and how it's just evolved
over a period of time. You know, it's it's listening
to a right around the world and it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And you've done this at Adelaide Fringe. Will you be doing
it here on the coach Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So the plan is that we'll hopefully be taking the
show around the country. Thanks for your time, mate, Thank
you guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Good luck
All right, we're catching up with a friend of our show, JK.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Jack Lawrence, who has a couple of podcasts but they've
taken off around the world.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Jack, Welcome to the studio.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Thank you guys. It's a long time listening, first time visitor.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, all right, So the podcast, mate, It's true crime,
has taken over the world. Podcasts everywhere, so to actually
compete with other podcasts is number one. Someone else in
the room's got a podcast, by the way, and it
is a difficult thing, but she produces very good podcasts,
So we we'll get that out of the one.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We have a mama, go and check it out across promotion.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
But that's not true crime.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh sometimes story, So tell us about one minute remaining
to start with.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I never actually intended to start a true podcast
at all. I started building a podcast initially about what
was called the lottery curse, and one of the stories
was like this headline said on ninety percent of people
who win the last year within twelve months have no friends,
no family, and no money left. And I'm like that
can't be true, Like it's the it's the dream to
win the lottery. So I started researching this lottery curse,
(01:03):
and as part of that, I was found this story
about this guy called Abraham Ley Shakespeare who won lottery
in Florid. He won seventeen million dollars and then a
year later he was discovered de ceased, buried in the
backyard of a woman by the name of drees More.
And she'd always claimed that she hadn't done the crime.
So I thought, oh, that'd be interesting. That'd make a
couple of good episodes for my lottery podcasts. Or wrote
her a letter and said, hey, would you tell me
(01:24):
your story? And she wrote back and said yeah, I'd
love to. But we started recording her story and it
was so confusing and convoluted that I'm just like, I'm
not going to make any sense of this. How am
I going to piece this together? And one day she
said to me, would you like to speak to my
law clerk who's helping me get back into prison? And
I'm just like, absolutely, that'll all helped me. You know,
someone who understands the legal staff that she's not as
close to it, she or helped me understand it. So
I said, give me the number, I'll give her a call,
(01:44):
and she said, oh no, no, I can arrange it
from here. And I said, what do you mean, She
goes she's in prison with me? What?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I just went, sorry, what just for law clerk?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, the law clerk was in prison because at this
time I was very unnaive to the system, and law
clerk's actually a massive thing in prison, the other prison
who help prisoners with their legal cases. But so I said, yeah, absolutely,
I love to talk to her. And her name was
Kimberly Boone. And then she called me and I said, look, Kim,
before we get into Teresa's situation, can you tell me
a little bit about your story, And then she proceeded
(02:14):
to tell me this insane story about how she'd been
arrested and tried for attempted murder on her husband twice.
She was acquitted of shooting him, but then was found
guilty of setting the house on fire with him inside it.
And I kind of had this sort of light bulb
moment where I'm just like the lottery podcast was proving
too difficult because fundly enough people who waste all their
money on the lottery and on drugs. I pretend to
want to talk about it. This is my new idea.
(02:36):
I want to tell the story stories of people are incarcerated,
their side of the story. I said, do you think
there'll be anyone else that would want to tell me
the story? And she's like, I think I can find
a few people. So she had started acting as my
in prison producer and was just walking around the prison saying, Hey,
I've got this Australian guy who's doing this. Do you
want to talk to him? And that was it. Rest
is History, and fifty something episodes later, I've spoken to
(02:57):
thirty five.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So how many pers how many people have you interviewed
that say they shouldn't be in jail?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Like I do speak to a number of people who
say they're innocent that the crimes are convicted of. Of course,
not all of them are telling me the truth, and
I know that, but there are people who I do
believe one hundred and ten percent. And there's other people
I've spoken to have actually since I've spoken to them,
been exonerated of the That was.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
My next question.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you spoke to people they said I'm innocent. Yeah,
So was the anything that you did in that conversation
used to actually bring the case up again to free them?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I get asked this question a lot, and I as
much as I would love to say yes it was
all my doing. No, nothing I have done, and people saying,
you know, you've drawn attention to their story, but all
that the people that so far have been released. Like
there's a young man called every Socialist Junior. I mean
not young anymore. He's forty three, but.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He was putting very young, very young man.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
That's all right, don't remember forty this does okay, But yeah,
he was put in prison like at fifteen, so he
was fifteen years of age when he went to prison
for a crime he said he didn't commit, which was
a murder. And I met him probably I think it
was four or five months prior to him eventually being released,
but we didn't realize that was obviously going to happen.
And he told me his story and it was just incredible,
and looking into it, I'm just like, there's no way
(04:10):
this happened. You know, you had a snitch that put
him behind bars, saying yeah, he admitted to it. Then
that snitch came out and said, now, actually I made
it up because the detective he was in charge of
the case told me to make it up. By the way,
was the way he would mate honestly like some of
these stories.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Now you have turned the podcast into a stage show,
so tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah. So, well, it seems to me everything or the
thing all the range with podcasts at the moment is
doing live shows. And I was approached and asked if
I would like to do a live show, and I
was sort of umming and arrying about how I would
do it or what I would do it on, and
then a story, much like the podcast itself, kind of
just fell in my lap. This guy got in touch
with me, and he sounded like an interesting character. He
(04:50):
was working on some legal loopholes which could see like
thousands of inmates being released from Michigan. So I did
some research on him and then suddenly discovered that not
only was he doing that, but he was also suing.
He did he for one hundred million dollars, and not
only that, he won the case against Peter, so.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
He's owned that money. And he's from inside jail.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, he did it, did it all from inside jail
by himself, no attorney's just him. And the story just
got even more and more insane the more I was
talking to him. And this so the live show is
basically me taking people through sort of a bit behind
the scenes of my thought process with quote questions that
I sort of ask, and on the show, I don't
tend to give my opinion.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So to speak.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I just kind of let the inmates tell their stories
and then let the listeners sort of just decide what
they think, whereas to the live show, it's a little
bit more about me sort of saying, well, look, this
is my opinion, this is what I was thinking when
he told me this, and this is my reason for
my question. So we do that tell that story, which
has an ending that I've never had in the history
of doing my show, where we get into a bit
of a so we say back and forth myself and
(05:49):
this this inmate.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So heated argument but not heeded, but I.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Catch him out. Let's just say, a a in a
quite a large porky pie.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So you call him on.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I call them out. Yeah, I do call them out,
and it gets very even more bizarre, and then we
sort of combinate the show with actually me having a
live chat with one of the guys that I speak
to who's in corresrated, which we mentioned him briefly just
a minute ago, temaging Kenzu, who's in cars red and
has been since nineteen eighty six for crime he literally
could not possibly have committed.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
In your live show, you actually get him online? Is
it via Facebook? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yes, Look because he's not allowed a call, no, we
do it in it's not a legal thing for him
to do. He's obviously not allowed to be talking to
me live. They should only use the prison phone system.
But obviously most people will not be surprised that prisoners
are quite ingenious when it comes to working out ways
around the system because they've got nothing but time, and
(06:46):
they get given these tablets that they can basically email.
Often when the email system goes through a prison system
and they all their emails get read and stuff like that.
But they've got these tablets, and someone has figured out
how to hack these tablets so that they can access
the internet probably or they can actually thinks like Facebook
and Gmail. And I had a guy ring me one
night out of the blue. I was sitting there watching
the TV with my wife and this my phone started
(07:07):
ringing and this guy goes, HI, is that Jack, And yeah,
he goes, my name's Rio. I hear you tell the
stories of people like me. I'm like, it depends who
you are, and he goes, I'm incarcerated in Florida. I
was wondering if he wanted to have a chat with me,
and then he proceeded to tell me about how he's
got they've got Wi Fi dongles in their cell and
you know, they hot spot off each other's Wi Fi
and all this sort of stuff going on here. Cigarettes
and coke cigarettes are still a massive commoo commodity and
(07:31):
extremely expensive in prison.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Made it honestly, well, congratulations, it's a fascinating story yours
alone in setting this up and how it's just evolved
over a period of time. You know, it's it's listening
to a right around the world and it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And you've done this at Adelaide Fringe. Will you be doing
it here on the coach Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
So the plan is that we'll hopefully be taking the
show around the country. Thanks for your time, mate, Thank
you guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Good luck
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