November 29, 2023 • 8 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bab, Good morning to you, Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is actually one something one forty in the morning
in Europe.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I hope you used to late nights.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Bab.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, that's fun. I'm good. I'm good with it. You
have some experience, Well, yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It really is a good morning to you early early morning.
Well look, my fifteen year old self would not believe
that I'm talking to one half of Milli Vanilli was
one of those girls singing the hairbrush to blame it
on the rain. But you have got I know, you've
got such an interesting life, like you started in poverty,
signed yourself contracts to have this great music career to
(00:39):
get you out of poverty. At the height of fame,
winning Grammys, then crashed right back down again after discovering
limp sinking, you know, lost rob your partner, and as
in Milli Vanilli partner and then now time heals all
wounds and here you are kind of back on top
again with this incredible story.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm really excited about the fact that finally the study
has been tooled properly with the writing and you'll be
able to walk in rubbing toa shoes and really feel
that it was like if you had no idea believe
what it was like to be at the forefront of
all this because people put up fingers like robbing bab
and thought, yeah, they had the corporate they're responsible video
(01:18):
or the orchestra and everything, which is kind of a
little chris to think about it, because there's a whole
team and staff and hundreds of people working behind. But
you know, I was able to travel through times. I
feel like I lived a hundred lives. But it made
me a better man and also better artists because I
believe that life gives you music and if you're there
(01:40):
to receive and still focusing up and healthy enough to
be there to receive and have your creativity on points,
then you're going to make something out of what life
gave you. And me, being a music lover, I never
I never left that kept working and bettering myself.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Was it difficult to be the person that was at
the height of adulation and praise but knowing your secret,
like there must have been conflict or were you able
to decompartmental life?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, it was it was we were continuously conflicted. Feeling conflicted,
it's feeling guilty and and and the weight was getting heavier.
With the success rising, the weight got heavier, and the
more we had to be more inclusive, you know, because
we couldn't share the secrets. So it was a very
difficult time of my life. But also, you know, it
(02:35):
taught me a lot of things. It taught me a
lot lots of lessons that I still believed by today.
But to be able to walk with that, you know,
on our shoulders and still be still still here, you know,
I think that it's destiny of my resilience. And I
didn't know how resilience it would be. Everything was uncertain,
(02:58):
but I believe that certainty is really the furl ground
for creativity, and out of that I grew back out
stronger than ever. Yeah, I don't know, And I'm here now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You are for those for those of listening that are
sort of piecing bits and pieces together this new documentary
that comes out pieces together the whole full story. And you,
you and Rob actually could sing. And then you were
discovered by a producer and he made the choice to
put the lip syncing on there. And because you'd signed
contracts yet you had to go along with it. As
(03:31):
an artist. It must have been hurting you inside to
not be able to sing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Now. The thing is, you know, for us, when you
walked into this trap, we really thought that we were
about singing. So we found a recording contract, but we
didn't have a manager. There was more attorneys, you know.
Because of our you know, naivity and noise. We had
no experience thinking okay, we'll just do this one record
(03:56):
and it would be out. But then once you take
the life and the success and this rock star lives,
well you've fallen into it, you know, and it's abductive
as well. When I was very young, I was two
years old in him, and I was incredible story. You know,
I couldn't have written that. It sounds like a movie,
(04:18):
but it is a true story.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Do you ever look at your life, fab and feel
like you're looking down on a different life. Do you
ever think, Wow, I can't believe this has been my life.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I cannot believe that I came out of it alive.
And sometimes I thought I wouldn't. But somehow my resilience
and my drive and my will to want to just
still stay in the music industry, and my love for music.
I say it, music saved my life. And Rob's got
(04:51):
his heart broken, so he got of a broken heart.
But music was there to save me, and I was
willing to listen because I know I was connected to music.
It was the one thing that I really wanted to
do in my life, becoming you sing, a songwriter, producer,
And it took some time, but my dream came through.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
How hard was it when you lost Rob because he
was the only other person that walked in the same
shoes as you and knew exactly what it felt like
to be going through. I would imagine you felt almost isolated.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I felt so long, I'm gonna tell you, because the
one person that could share, you know, but because we
shared so many moments together and having him gone out
of this realm, it was devastating. It was really devastating.
I want to louise someone. This clow was really challenging.
So for me, I wrote. I went deep into songwriting
(05:43):
and wrote an album called Revolution, and that was very
therapeutic for me.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
One thing I think you could probably look back and go, Wow,
we were courageous is that you did the press conference
and you revealed that you had been lip syncing and
that you were giving back your Grammy. Is when you
look at that now, that was possibly the most courageous
thing anyone could ever do, because a lot of people
(06:08):
don't do that. They just hide away and they don't
face their problems.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, you know, it was we had to do it
because the fact that we were so tired of being
you know, being pushed around and not being in control.
And the one thing we knew is that things would change.
We didn't know how drastic it would be, but it changed.
I mean it went from night and day and you know,
(06:34):
we're saying, you lose same gradually, just like you know,
water cools down from being very hot to look warm
and too cold. But from one day to the next
it went cold for us, and people had no respect.
And you know I always used that phrase, you know,
something to shame, and people came after us forgetting that
(06:56):
we were human beings because we were so high up
on the pedestal and that when they came they came
with hatchet they came or they came to destroyers. And
but I believe that with documentary, people will finally understand
what happened and how we felt and that it wasn't
faring and how we were treat it. Some people do
(07:17):
worse things and didn't get treated this way.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It sounds like this is almost like retribution or a
love letter to Rob and the loss of his life
because of you know, the producers that did this to you.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm sure he knows that we told the story, and
when he's looking down on us, I know that it
would be proud of the fact that it turned out
to be what it is. To buckle up because it's
an emotional story.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh wow, you real way to watch it?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Can't wait, bab Would you ever sing Milli Vanilli songs again?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah? I do. You have to go online, go on
YouTube and watch me do my game. I kill those songs.
I do them. Go on me now their mine. Nobody
can take that away from me, that's for sure. I
hope that. You know, maybe next year I'll be coming
to Australia and tear up the stage like they usually do.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, if you come to the Gold Coast, come on
into the studio, we'd love to meet you face to face.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well we'll make that happen. And listen to music. It's
been by my side. Like I said, music is safety,
safety and music has taken me around the world a
few times. And I know we're going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Good on your fab
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Buckle up yes sir, and thank you for taking the time,
since next year I'll be standing in front of you.
Bab, Good morning to you, Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is actually one something one forty in the morning
in Europe.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I hope you used to late nights.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Bab.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, that's fun. I'm good. I'm good with it. You
have some experience, Well, yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It really is a good morning to you early early morning.
Well look, my fifteen year old self would not believe
that I'm talking to one half of Milli Vanilli was
one of those girls singing the hairbrush to blame it
on the rain. But you have got I know, you've
got such an interesting life, like you started in poverty,
signed yourself contracts to have this great music career to
(00:39):
get you out of poverty. At the height of fame,
winning Grammys, then crashed right back down again after discovering
limp sinking, you know, lost rob your partner, and as
in Milli Vanilli partner and then now time heals all
wounds and here you are kind of back on top
again with this incredible story.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm really excited about the fact that finally the study
has been tooled properly with the writing and you'll be
able to walk in rubbing toa shoes and really feel
that it was like if you had no idea believe
what it was like to be at the forefront of
all this because people put up fingers like robbing bab
and thought, yeah, they had the corporate they're responsible video
(01:18):
or the orchestra and everything, which is kind of a
little chris to think about it, because there's a whole
team and staff and hundreds of people working behind. But
you know, I was able to travel through times. I
feel like I lived a hundred lives. But it made
me a better man and also better artists because I
believe that life gives you music and if you're there
(01:40):
to receive and still focusing up and healthy enough to
be there to receive and have your creativity on points,
then you're going to make something out of what life
gave you. And me, being a music lover, I never
I never left that kept working and bettering myself.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Was it difficult to be the person that was at
the height of adulation and praise but knowing your secret,
like there must have been conflict or were you able
to decompartmental life?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, it was it was we were continuously conflicted. Feeling conflicted,
it's feeling guilty and and and the weight was getting heavier.
With the success rising, the weight got heavier, and the
more we had to be more inclusive, you know, because
we couldn't share the secrets. So it was a very
difficult time of my life. But also, you know, it
(02:35):
taught me a lot of things. It taught me a
lot lots of lessons that I still believed by today.
But to be able to walk with that, you know,
on our shoulders and still be still still here, you know,
I think that it's destiny of my resilience. And I
didn't know how resilience it would be. Everything was uncertain,
(02:58):
but I believe that certainty is really the furl ground
for creativity, and out of that I grew back out
stronger than ever. Yeah, I don't know, And I'm here now.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You are for those for those of listening that are
sort of piecing bits and pieces together this new documentary
that comes out pieces together the whole full story. And you,
you and Rob actually could sing. And then you were
discovered by a producer and he made the choice to
put the lip syncing on there. And because you'd signed
contracts yet you had to go along with it. As
(03:31):
an artist. It must have been hurting you inside to
not be able to sing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Now. The thing is, you know, for us, when you
walked into this trap, we really thought that we were
about singing. So we found a recording contract, but we
didn't have a manager. There was more attorneys, you know.
Because of our you know, naivity and noise. We had
no experience thinking okay, we'll just do this one record
(03:56):
and it would be out. But then once you take
the life and the success and this rock star lives,
well you've fallen into it, you know, and it's abductive
as well. When I was very young, I was two
years old in him, and I was incredible story. You know,
I couldn't have written that. It sounds like a movie,
(04:18):
but it is a true story.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Do you ever look at your life, fab and feel
like you're looking down on a different life. Do you
ever think, Wow, I can't believe this has been my life.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I cannot believe that I came out of it alive.
And sometimes I thought I wouldn't. But somehow my resilience
and my drive and my will to want to just
still stay in the music industry, and my love for music.
I say it, music saved my life. And Rob's got
(04:51):
his heart broken, so he got of a broken heart.
But music was there to save me, and I was
willing to listen because I know I was connected to music.
It was the one thing that I really wanted to
do in my life, becoming you sing, a songwriter, producer,
And it took some time, but my dream came through.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
How hard was it when you lost Rob because he
was the only other person that walked in the same
shoes as you and knew exactly what it felt like
to be going through. I would imagine you felt almost isolated.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I felt so long, I'm gonna tell you, because the
one person that could share, you know, but because we
shared so many moments together and having him gone out
of this realm, it was devastating. It was really devastating.
I want to louise someone. This clow was really challenging.
So for me, I wrote. I went deep into songwriting
(05:43):
and wrote an album called Revolution, and that was very
therapeutic for me.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
One thing I think you could probably look back and go, Wow,
we were courageous is that you did the press conference
and you revealed that you had been lip syncing and
that you were giving back your Grammy. Is when you
look at that now, that was possibly the most courageous
thing anyone could ever do, because a lot of people
(06:08):
don't do that. They just hide away and they don't
face their problems.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, you know, it was we had to do it
because the fact that we were so tired of being
you know, being pushed around and not being in control.
And the one thing we knew is that things would change.
We didn't know how drastic it would be, but it changed.
I mean it went from night and day and you know,
(06:34):
we're saying, you lose same gradually, just like you know,
water cools down from being very hot to look warm
and too cold. But from one day to the next
it went cold for us, and people had no respect.
And you know I always used that phrase, you know,
something to shame, and people came after us forgetting that
(06:56):
we were human beings because we were so high up
on the pedestal and that when they came they came
with hatchet they came or they came to destroyers. And
but I believe that with documentary, people will finally understand
what happened and how we felt and that it wasn't
faring and how we were treat it. Some people do
(07:17):
worse things and didn't get treated this way.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It sounds like this is almost like retribution or a
love letter to Rob and the loss of his life
because of you know, the producers that did this to you.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm sure he knows that we told the story, and
when he's looking down on us, I know that it
would be proud of the fact that it turned out
to be what it is. To buckle up because it's
an emotional story.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh wow, you real way to watch it?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Can't wait, bab Would you ever sing Milli Vanilli songs again?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah? I do. You have to go online, go on
YouTube and watch me do my game. I kill those songs.
I do them. Go on me now their mine. Nobody
can take that away from me, that's for sure. I
hope that. You know, maybe next year I'll be coming
to Australia and tear up the stage like they usually do.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, if you come to the Gold Coast, come on
into the studio, we'd love to meet you face to face.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well we'll make that happen. And listen to music. It's
been by my side. Like I said, music is safety,
safety and music has taken me around the world a
few times. And I know we're going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Good on your fab
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Buckle up yes sir, and thank you for taking the time,
since next year I'll be standing in front of you.
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