October 18, 2024 • 22 mins
Adam and Josh discuss and review Mr McMahon Episode 5.
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(01:21):
when you take a tinkle.
Pee droplets.
Get in your underwear afterwards.
Shit, shit's wack man, there's no way around it.
You can shake your dick all you want. The second you put it back in your boxers...
It starts dribbling out.
Down your leg, just fucking down your leg, into your fucking boxers.
(01:43):
Or into your boxers.
Your tighty-whities, whatever.
Or it starts leaking through your pants and then you gotta pee.
You gotta pee again.
And then you gotta cover it with your dress shirt, or your shirt, so you don't look like you pissed yourself.
Shit, and then if you wear tighty-whities, then that's just percolating in your like,
butt hole and like your fucking ass, like your gooch area.
(02:06):
Or if you're smart enough, you wash your hands and you sprinkle a little bit everywhere so that it kind of blends in.
You're like, I just, I'm a fucking water splash bag.
And then if you do it every single time, then no one questions it ever again.
So, smart, smart, smart choice there.
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Alright, Mr. McMahon, episode number five.
Mr. McMahon, episode five. Where are we at? Is this the fucking...
The family business.
Oh shit, this is when we get into...
All the weird shit.
All the weird shit. Is this the beginning of ruthless aggression?
(02:54):
Kind of, this is towards the end or whatever.
Fuck.
This is the end of the episode, but essentially we get the WWF going public.
We get them basically winning the war against WCW.
These are all things that we know.
(03:15):
And what's crazy is how Vince bought his competitor for just two and a half million dollars.
Yeah, that's like the biggest kick in the nuts for Eric Bischoff.
Yeah, that really is.
Especially because he was putting together some deal to buy WCW.
(03:38):
For a legitimate offer, a legitimate amount.
So, crazy how this ended up going down.
Totally degrading the product, especially for Time Warner, to just get fucking rid of it like nothing.
When it was a major killer for them, or for Turner it was, but...
(03:59):
Man, this one's crazy.
They didn't realize what they had.
And then by them screwing Bischoff in the way that he went down,
or the way that it went down, when Bischoff started making all this money for WCW,
(04:20):
they just took the money and put it into other bullshit.
And then basically started writing off WCW as a loss.
So then when the ratings dipped, WCW had no money.
Because now instead of them basically looking like they're just breaking even,
because all the money's getting gutted from them,
and they're making so much money that, oh, we're just breaking even on paper,
(04:41):
but all the profits are going to some other projects or other things.
Setting them up for failure.
Yeah, now when the ratings dip and you start losing and now you're not making as much money,
now it looks like you're a huge drain on expenses.
And so, thus making a business decision need to happen of like, alright, we can't keep doing this anymore.
Especially when they started building in losses of like other fucking things into WCW,
(05:04):
they just unloaded the balance sheet of some shitty show or some shitty thing that they did.
They just put it on the WCW fucking balance sheet.
And then now it really looks like you're fucking making shit tons of losses.
So that is, it just led to the Time Warner executives, it was because they didn't know what they had.
They were too caught up in maintaining traditional television as opposed to...
(05:29):
Carny shit.
Carny shit. But carny shit was making them tons of money.
So, I mean that was really, again, Ted Turner's vision and his intelligence of knowing that,
hey, this is something that we're making money with and fighting staunchly to keep it.
The second he loses power, it all goes away.
It all disappears.
So, and granted, he did it to himself because he merged AOL with Time Warner.
(05:55):
He did that to himself.
Like he made it so that he wouldn't be the major shareholder anymore.
And he did it for money because he got a shit ton of money for it, for doing that.
And then he just became a regular ass board member instead of, you know...
Who amongst us would be so...
How could you turn out millions of fucking dollars?
Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't?
(06:16):
Especially when you're already a billionaire. Why not?
Yeah.
So then with that, we also get the debacle that was the XFL.
What a shit show. I remember that.
I don't know how the WWF... I mean, that just tells you how much money the WWF was fucking making,
was that Vince McMahon was able to afford creating an entire professional sports league
and it shitting the bed immediately.
(06:39):
He was able to absorb that loss to no fucking issues, essentially, it seemed like.
So at this point, the WWF is basically fucking printing money at this point.
They bought their competition.
They're the only game in town, for the most part.
And you've got all this going on.
(07:05):
And then the WWF gets sued by who?
Another organization called the WWF.
World Wildlife Foundation.
And what's fucking crazy to me is the WWF had existed for over 20 fucking years prior to this.
(07:27):
I don't know what the specifics are of the case.
It was something to do with them claiming the branding of WWF.
And maybe they had it first, like that acronym or whatever.
And it being confusing to people that they were...
I don't know anybody who was ever like, oh, I'm looking for the World Wildlife Foundation.
(07:49):
I came on wrestling.
Like, I don't know anybody that ever fucking had that problem.
If anything, it was probably the opposite.
And people would accidentally go to the World Wildlife Foundation when they were looking for the wrestling shit
and then be like, oh, I like animals. Maybe I'll make a donation. Shit, this might have helped them, if anything.
But they sue them because of the acronym and the WWF, the World Wrestling Federation loses.
(08:12):
This argument, which I don't fucking know if this was just a conspiracy against fucking wrestling.
And if this was like, everyone's viewed as carnage shit.
And yeah, we need to just... the courts say, fuck you, you need to be gone.
But the WWF then has to change its name to the World Wrestling Entertainment, WWE.
And that's where we get them now, the new symbol, which again, I was not...
(08:36):
I like the WWF better. I like the fucking the sound of it, like JR.
Oh, the World Wrestling Federation, the WWF title. Good God Almighty.
That sounds way better.
Oh, he's the WWE champion here in World Wrestling Entertainment.
(08:57):
I think it must be the hard F sound.
Yeah, it just pops, man. It just makes it sound good.
And Federation sounds like official and like it sounds like legit, right?
Because WWE sounds more... sounds weak.
Yeah, it is. So...
But I will say WWE as a name itself feels more universal than Federation.
(09:21):
It feels local to the United States and not a global product, which I think WWE is now,
even though I hate the name.
Yeah. So we also have this time period being the rock kind of bouncing out after this thing shortly happens, is that 2003.
I do think that the beginnings of this ruthless aggression era were truly the last great times in wrestling.
(09:47):
That 2002 to like 2006 maybe era, that four year period.
Peak fucking wrestling.
That was that was excellent wrestling. That was peak solo WWE being the big game in town wrestling.
Everything after that has been a shitty imitation of the attitude era.
But this, this was good. This was when you had evolution.
(10:09):
You had fucking John Cena coming up. You had heel fucking Cena, man. You got heel rock out of this.
You got, you know, all kinds of fucking very interesting...
Perk angle. Perk angle, man. And this, this was the last, the last fucking the last big time or whatever.
But then we talk about how like we kind of talked about in the last episode about Shane, Stephanie doing all these crazy fucking things for the business.
(10:37):
Right. Because that's just what was expected of them. Vince had no line with them.
Basically, everything was on the table, as we said, and eventually because of those disagreements that they had about, especially like with trying to buy the UFC, things like that, which Shane wanted to do, which again, in the end, how could Vince look at his son now and say like, damn, you know, how could he not say you were right about this?
(11:05):
Because in the end, the UFC eventually just, well, the company that owns the UFC eventually just buys WWE in the end anyways.
So just imagine if back then when the UFC wasn't really worth a whole lot.
And especially when the UFC was very against being associated with professional wrestling back in those early 2000s, because they didn't want to seem like they were fake or they didn't want to seem scripted.
(11:30):
But if you have the popularity of the WWF and you combine that, if you buy, if the WWE or whatever buys the UFC, I think that UFC becomes a huge organization much sooner than it took for it to do on its own, basically.
And I don't know for me, I was thinking, shit, if they had done it back then, it would have been so much better than because the grand nature of wrestling itself with WrestleMania and even like the set pieces for different pay per views, especially for like the UFC itself for the intros of the fighters to come in and only just have music.
(12:15):
And then that's really it. Yeah.
To me, like, why not make it a fucking grand gesture and have it be wrestling like where you have five pyrotechnics and shit going off like, and think about this.
It wouldn't, I get that it feels like it would have tarnished like UFC and it would have made it seem tacky. But not really. I don't think it really would have because people want to see that shit. This is bigger than life. And I feel if you have guys really fighting. Yeah.
(12:48):
And doing that big money.
Please you're saying you feel what? Oh no, I was just saying that the, I was just saying about the, the grandiose nature of the festivity of intros like that being incorporated to the UFC probably would have elevated the product so much higher than what it is now.
(13:14):
I mean sure. Whatever. Fuck it. UFC is popular as it is. It's a global sport. Everybody enjoys it. It's, you know, world renowned at this point. But maybe I'm crazy and thinking that it makes it look tacky, but it just elevates, to me it elevates the sport itself to make it seem larger than life.
And now they're basically just copying a lot of shit that wrestling's done. So it, I do think that the UFC it has always fucked up and they should have done their cards.
(13:45):
Maybe you don't need to do it every time, but like you need to have like a night of champions, where every belt, every match in your thing, a belt is on the line. Like every match is a championship fight. That's something they've never fucking done. And that I think is a huge missed opportunity to sell a shit ton of pay-per-view buys.
Because who wouldn't tune into that for the first time ever at least? And then if you do that, make that your WrestleMania. Once a year you make that, you know, the two or three pay-per-views leading up to it, you know, maybe you do like one every other month, the two or the three, you do them every other month for like four months leading up to it.
(14:23):
You say, okay, cool. This is your storylines to get people into these championship fights. Oh, fuck. That's good. I mean, that's a good idea. Cause it's like, if people weren't invested in your rivalry with the person that you're facing at some fucking pay-per-view, you're creating a selling point by creating a story or whatever. Like that's fucking sweet.
(14:46):
Yeah. And then like the pay-per-view leading up to that maybe, or the one that's like two months or three months before it, that's the one that's your Royal Rumble-esque pay-per-view where every single match on that card is to determine the number one contender who will face the champion at your UFC WrestleMania or whatever you want to call it.
I mean, shit for an actual legitimate sport. I know this sounds crazy, but actually having a money in the bank briefcase for somebody to cash in like legitimately for UFC, that shit would be wild.
(15:16):
That would be wild, dude. Because then that guy, like you do a tournament and the winner, you do a men's one and a women's one. And every single week or every single, like whenever they want, they can cash that in. Even if the guy just had a fight, you can fucking then cash it in to fucking take the title from them.
(15:37):
This guy's got to fight two in a row. Man, that would be fucking wild. That would be entertaining as shit. Or even just making the number one contendership have a little bit more variety.
Like if they had a King of Ring tournament and have an actual like item or thing that you get a title shot. Yeah. If you win the tournament, you get a title shot automatically. Automatically, right? That'd be cool.
(16:02):
Just small things like that. I think wrestling could have, or rather, UFC could have used adapting things from wrestling. But that's besides the point we're on.
Yeah, yeah. But anyways, so yeah, then we get Shane McMahon leaving in 09 and saying, fuck this, I'm out. I'm going to do my own shit and prove myself that I don't need to live under the shadow of my father who, your time is past, old man. Like, you know, my time is now.
(16:29):
But also they kind of spell it out, or at least I think Bruce Prichard said that he thought Shane McMahon was too soft for to be CEO of the company. And that Stephanie was more in line for it than fucking Shane was, which was kind of sad.
Yeah, but it worked out well for Triple H.
Apparently, I mean, shit.
(16:51):
Especially now, because he was in that position doing creative shit, essentially being the number two to Vince for the most part during all these years. Now when the vacuum is there and gone.
And listen, I don't believe Triple H didn't know what the fuck was happening with all these fucking things or whatever. Sure, maybe he wasn't actively participating in it.
But I know, you know that he knew about it or knew some shit was going on. And I think he was smart and biding his time. He's just like, hey, you know what? Eventually this guy will get got.
(17:21):
And then I'll be in charge. And now he is in charge. Now he's running the shit. So how ironic that for him, having that incident with the curtain call thing to be the person that was basically at the bottom of the totem pole to end up 30 years later, he's running the show.
He is the guy. He's the man. That's fucking wild. That is wild. That is fucking wild. And say what you want. People want to say all kinds of shit.
(17:45):
You don't get there by being a shit bag. You don't get there by not knowing what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Even if you did marry into the family, you still don't get there because Vince is so fucking ruthless.
He would have just had nothing to do with you. He let his own son fuck off because he didn't have what it took to cut it or whatever.
You think you'd be in the son in law is going to get any kind of special treatment? Absolutely fucking not. So anyways, what else is that word?
(18:15):
And that's where it ends. Yeah. With Shane leaving, basically. I think that's where it ended. Johnson, though, John Cena, like kind of John Cena is coming around that he started his starting point.
He starts fucking and he starts rapping and then. Yeah, I feel like they just did that to shoehorn him in there and because they asked him a question, I think either in this episode or the following one of what's Vince's legacy.
(18:39):
My God, dude, one thing you can credit fucking John Cena for is being a goddamn diplomat. Oh, yeah. A politician about never actually answering a question when it comes to real fucking hardball.
He never actually answers him. He is the effervescent politician, John Cena. Yeah, he fucking constantly does that and he's good at it and fucking the rock.
(19:01):
I mean, dude, for him to get shoehorned in every goddamn wrestling, he's he's doing PR for himself.
And he's also keeping his name in wrestling so he could sell more shirts or whatever.
And literally anything WWE. Oh, my man, I'm so tired of that shit. He doesn't need to be in everything like.
As far as wrestling or for WWE, like what if 30 years from now, oh, let's shoehorn the rock for some documentary about this specific era.
(19:28):
Well, yeah, I influenced this era because 60 years ago. Yeah. Like, you know, the attitude era.
Yeah, I don't know, man. They need to stop doing that. But as long as the rocks around, it'll continue happening.
Oh, he's a fucking board member now. As long as he's on the board, he's he's going to be inserted into literally everything.
(19:49):
So, oh, joy. Oh, fucking joy. This documentary is fucking ass. Yeah, it's really fucking terrible.
I'm glad we only have one episode left to talk about because this this thing is the same shit we've seen.
It's nothing new. It's nothing new.
Bruce Prichard continues to ball wash Vince McMahon and say how he was a great person and that he did this and that for him.
(20:14):
But I'm like, that's not everybody's experience. Apparently, Tony Atlas was so invested.
So it's like maybe the work environment was great for you. But what about the other people? Yeah.
The other number of numerous people that didn't have that experience. Yeah.
But you didn't. True story. So anyways. All right. That'll be it for this episode.
(20:37):
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(21:14):
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So you want to listen to a pretty alright podcast about wrestling, do ya?
(00:05):
Well the natural lag, Jet Swag, has said time and time again that there's only one podcast
that's the most decent and the most alright in the industry today.
And that's...
Hoo!
It's the GAME RAGE RASCELLIN' Podcast!
(00:32):
Aww yeah! Here we are good buddies back again for another fabulous, wonderful,
Afrodisiac-like episode of GAME RAGE RASCELLIN'.
You know, I've been told Adam, that if you listen to GAME RAGE magazine, you're 30% more likely
(00:53):
to last 20% longer in the sack with your lady friend.
Is that right?
Is that right?
That's right. Scientifically proven.
By science.
Anyways...
I got a fact.
Oh yeah, what's that?
For the male listeners of GAME RAGE magazine, you're 15% less likely to have pee droplets
(01:21):
when you take a tinkle.
Pee droplets.
Get in your underwear afterwards.
Shit, shit's wack man, there's no way around it.
You can shake your dick all you want. The second you put it back in your boxers...
It starts dribbling out.
Down your leg, just fucking down your leg, into your fucking boxers.
(01:43):
Or into your boxers.
Your tighty-whities, whatever.
Or it starts leaking through your pants and then you gotta pee.
You gotta pee again.
And then you gotta cover it with your dress shirt, or your shirt, so you don't look like you pissed yourself.
Shit, and then if you wear tighty-whities, then that's just percolating in your like,
butt hole and like your fucking ass, like your gooch area.
(02:06):
Or if you're smart enough, you wash your hands and you sprinkle a little bit everywhere so that it kind of blends in.
You're like, I just, I'm a fucking water splash bag.
And then if you do it every single time, then no one questions it ever again.
So, smart, smart, smart choice there.
Anyways, if you want to listen to more of our stuff, you go to GAME RAGE magazine,
follow us on Instagram and TikTok.
Magazine, Twitter slash X, GAME RAGE mag.
(02:29):
Follow Adam at allguysnotrashofficial, and you can follow Frank at anime underscore syndicate underscore podcast.
Alright, Mr. McMahon, episode number five.
Mr. McMahon, episode five. Where are we at? Is this the fucking...
The family business.
Oh shit, this is when we get into...
All the weird shit.
All the weird shit. Is this the beginning of ruthless aggression?
(02:54):
Kind of, this is towards the end or whatever.
Fuck.
This is the end of the episode, but essentially we get the WWF going public.
We get them basically winning the war against WCW.
These are all things that we know.
(03:15):
And what's crazy is how Vince bought his competitor for just two and a half million dollars.
Yeah, that's like the biggest kick in the nuts for Eric Bischoff.
Yeah, that really is.
Especially because he was putting together some deal to buy WCW.
(03:38):
For a legitimate offer, a legitimate amount.
So, crazy how this ended up going down.
Totally degrading the product, especially for Time Warner, to just get fucking rid of it like nothing.
When it was a major killer for them, or for Turner it was, but...
(03:59):
Man, this one's crazy.
They didn't realize what they had.
And then by them screwing Bischoff in the way that he went down,
or the way that it went down, when Bischoff started making all this money for WCW,
(04:20):
they just took the money and put it into other bullshit.
And then basically started writing off WCW as a loss.
So then when the ratings dipped, WCW had no money.
Because now instead of them basically looking like they're just breaking even,
because all the money's getting gutted from them,
and they're making so much money that, oh, we're just breaking even on paper,
(04:41):
but all the profits are going to some other projects or other things.
Setting them up for failure.
Yeah, now when the ratings dip and you start losing and now you're not making as much money,
now it looks like you're a huge drain on expenses.
And so, thus making a business decision need to happen of like, alright, we can't keep doing this anymore.
Especially when they started building in losses of like other fucking things into WCW,
(05:04):
they just unloaded the balance sheet of some shitty show or some shitty thing that they did.
They just put it on the WCW fucking balance sheet.
And then now it really looks like you're fucking making shit tons of losses.
So that is, it just led to the Time Warner executives, it was because they didn't know what they had.
They were too caught up in maintaining traditional television as opposed to...
(05:29):
Carny shit.
Carny shit. But carny shit was making them tons of money.
So, I mean that was really, again, Ted Turner's vision and his intelligence of knowing that,
hey, this is something that we're making money with and fighting staunchly to keep it.
The second he loses power, it all goes away.
It all disappears.
So, and granted, he did it to himself because he merged AOL with Time Warner.
(05:55):
He did that to himself.
Like he made it so that he wouldn't be the major shareholder anymore.
And he did it for money because he got a shit ton of money for it, for doing that.
And then he just became a regular ass board member instead of, you know...
Who amongst us would be so...
How could you turn out millions of fucking dollars?
Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't?
(06:16):
Especially when you're already a billionaire. Why not?
Yeah.
So then with that, we also get the debacle that was the XFL.
What a shit show. I remember that.
I don't know how the WWF... I mean, that just tells you how much money the WWF was fucking making,
was that Vince McMahon was able to afford creating an entire professional sports league
and it shitting the bed immediately.
(06:39):
He was able to absorb that loss to no fucking issues, essentially, it seemed like.
So at this point, the WWF is basically fucking printing money at this point.
They bought their competition.
They're the only game in town, for the most part.
And you've got all this going on.
(07:05):
And then the WWF gets sued by who?
Another organization called the WWF.
World Wildlife Foundation.
And what's fucking crazy to me is the WWF had existed for over 20 fucking years prior to this.
(07:27):
I don't know what the specifics are of the case.
It was something to do with them claiming the branding of WWF.
And maybe they had it first, like that acronym or whatever.
And it being confusing to people that they were...
I don't know anybody who was ever like, oh, I'm looking for the World Wildlife Foundation.
(07:49):
I came on wrestling.
Like, I don't know anybody that ever fucking had that problem.
If anything, it was probably the opposite.
And people would accidentally go to the World Wildlife Foundation when they were looking for the wrestling shit
and then be like, oh, I like animals. Maybe I'll make a donation. Shit, this might have helped them, if anything.
But they sue them because of the acronym and the WWF, the World Wrestling Federation loses.
(08:12):
This argument, which I don't fucking know if this was just a conspiracy against fucking wrestling.
And if this was like, everyone's viewed as carnage shit.
And yeah, we need to just... the courts say, fuck you, you need to be gone.
But the WWF then has to change its name to the World Wrestling Entertainment, WWE.
And that's where we get them now, the new symbol, which again, I was not...
(08:36):
I like the WWF better. I like the fucking the sound of it, like JR.
Oh, the World Wrestling Federation, the WWF title. Good God Almighty.
That sounds way better.
Oh, he's the WWE champion here in World Wrestling Entertainment.
(08:57):
I think it must be the hard F sound.
Yeah, it just pops, man. It just makes it sound good.
And Federation sounds like official and like it sounds like legit, right?
Because WWE sounds more... sounds weak.
Yeah, it is. So...
But I will say WWE as a name itself feels more universal than Federation.
(09:21):
It feels local to the United States and not a global product, which I think WWE is now,
even though I hate the name.
Yeah. So we also have this time period being the rock kind of bouncing out after this thing shortly happens, is that 2003.
I do think that the beginnings of this ruthless aggression era were truly the last great times in wrestling.
(09:47):
That 2002 to like 2006 maybe era, that four year period.
Peak fucking wrestling.
That was that was excellent wrestling. That was peak solo WWE being the big game in town wrestling.
Everything after that has been a shitty imitation of the attitude era.
But this, this was good. This was when you had evolution.
(10:09):
You had fucking John Cena coming up. You had heel fucking Cena, man. You got heel rock out of this.
You got, you know, all kinds of fucking very interesting...
Perk angle. Perk angle, man. And this, this was the last, the last fucking the last big time or whatever.
But then we talk about how like we kind of talked about in the last episode about Shane, Stephanie doing all these crazy fucking things for the business.
(10:37):
Right. Because that's just what was expected of them. Vince had no line with them.
Basically, everything was on the table, as we said, and eventually because of those disagreements that they had about, especially like with trying to buy the UFC, things like that, which Shane wanted to do, which again, in the end, how could Vince look at his son now and say like, damn, you know, how could he not say you were right about this?
(11:05):
Because in the end, the UFC eventually just, well, the company that owns the UFC eventually just buys WWE in the end anyways.
So just imagine if back then when the UFC wasn't really worth a whole lot.
And especially when the UFC was very against being associated with professional wrestling back in those early 2000s, because they didn't want to seem like they were fake or they didn't want to seem scripted.
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But if you have the popularity of the WWF and you combine that, if you buy, if the WWE or whatever buys the UFC, I think that UFC becomes a huge organization much sooner than it took for it to do on its own, basically.
And I don't know for me, I was thinking, shit, if they had done it back then, it would have been so much better than because the grand nature of wrestling itself with WrestleMania and even like the set pieces for different pay per views, especially for like the UFC itself for the intros of the fighters to come in and only just have music.
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And then that's really it. Yeah.
To me, like, why not make it a fucking grand gesture and have it be wrestling like where you have five pyrotechnics and shit going off like, and think about this.
It wouldn't, I get that it feels like it would have tarnished like UFC and it would have made it seem tacky. But not really. I don't think it really would have because people want to see that shit. This is bigger than life. And I feel if you have guys really fighting. Yeah.
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And doing that big money.
Please you're saying you feel what? Oh no, I was just saying that the, I was just saying about the, the grandiose nature of the festivity of intros like that being incorporated to the UFC probably would have elevated the product so much higher than what it is now.
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I mean sure. Whatever. Fuck it. UFC is popular as it is. It's a global sport. Everybody enjoys it. It's, you know, world renowned at this point. But maybe I'm crazy and thinking that it makes it look tacky, but it just elevates, to me it elevates the sport itself to make it seem larger than life.
And now they're basically just copying a lot of shit that wrestling's done. So it, I do think that the UFC it has always fucked up and they should have done their cards.
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Maybe you don't need to do it every time, but like you need to have like a night of champions, where every belt, every match in your thing, a belt is on the line. Like every match is a championship fight. That's something they've never fucking done. And that I think is a huge missed opportunity to sell a shit ton of pay-per-view buys.
Because who wouldn't tune into that for the first time ever at least? And then if you do that, make that your WrestleMania. Once a year you make that, you know, the two or three pay-per-views leading up to it, you know, maybe you do like one every other month, the two or the three, you do them every other month for like four months leading up to it.
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You say, okay, cool. This is your storylines to get people into these championship fights. Oh, fuck. That's good. I mean, that's a good idea. Cause it's like, if people weren't invested in your rivalry with the person that you're facing at some fucking pay-per-view, you're creating a selling point by creating a story or whatever. Like that's fucking sweet.
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Yeah. And then like the pay-per-view leading up to that maybe, or the one that's like two months or three months before it, that's the one that's your Royal Rumble-esque pay-per-view where every single match on that card is to determine the number one contender who will face the champion at your UFC WrestleMania or whatever you want to call it.
I mean, shit for an actual legitimate sport. I know this sounds crazy, but actually having a money in the bank briefcase for somebody to cash in like legitimately for UFC, that shit would be wild.
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That would be wild, dude. Because then that guy, like you do a tournament and the winner, you do a men's one and a women's one. And every single week or every single, like whenever they want, they can cash that in. Even if the guy just had a fight, you can fucking then cash it in to fucking take the title from them.
(15:37):
This guy's got to fight two in a row. Man, that would be fucking wild. That would be entertaining as shit. Or even just making the number one contendership have a little bit more variety.
Like if they had a King of Ring tournament and have an actual like item or thing that you get a title shot. Yeah. If you win the tournament, you get a title shot automatically. Automatically, right? That'd be cool.
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Just small things like that. I think wrestling could have, or rather, UFC could have used adapting things from wrestling. But that's besides the point we're on.
Yeah, yeah. But anyways, so yeah, then we get Shane McMahon leaving in 09 and saying, fuck this, I'm out. I'm going to do my own shit and prove myself that I don't need to live under the shadow of my father who, your time is past, old man. Like, you know, my time is now.
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But also they kind of spell it out, or at least I think Bruce Prichard said that he thought Shane McMahon was too soft for to be CEO of the company. And that Stephanie was more in line for it than fucking Shane was, which was kind of sad.
Yeah, but it worked out well for Triple H.
Apparently, I mean, shit.
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Especially now, because he was in that position doing creative shit, essentially being the number two to Vince for the most part during all these years. Now when the vacuum is there and gone.
And listen, I don't believe Triple H didn't know what the fuck was happening with all these fucking things or whatever. Sure, maybe he wasn't actively participating in it.
But I know, you know that he knew about it or knew some shit was going on. And I think he was smart and biding his time. He's just like, hey, you know what? Eventually this guy will get got.
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And then I'll be in charge. And now he is in charge. Now he's running the shit. So how ironic that for him, having that incident with the curtain call thing to be the person that was basically at the bottom of the totem pole to end up 30 years later, he's running the show.
He is the guy. He's the man. That's fucking wild. That is wild. That is fucking wild. And say what you want. People want to say all kinds of shit.
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You don't get there by being a shit bag. You don't get there by not knowing what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Even if you did marry into the family, you still don't get there because Vince is so fucking ruthless.
He would have just had nothing to do with you. He let his own son fuck off because he didn't have what it took to cut it or whatever.
You think you'd be in the son in law is going to get any kind of special treatment? Absolutely fucking not. So anyways, what else is that word?
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And that's where it ends. Yeah. With Shane leaving, basically. I think that's where it ended. Johnson, though, John Cena, like kind of John Cena is coming around that he started his starting point.
He starts fucking and he starts rapping and then. Yeah, I feel like they just did that to shoehorn him in there and because they asked him a question, I think either in this episode or the following one of what's Vince's legacy.
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My God, dude, one thing you can credit fucking John Cena for is being a goddamn diplomat. Oh, yeah. A politician about never actually answering a question when it comes to real fucking hardball.
He never actually answers him. He is the effervescent politician, John Cena. Yeah, he fucking constantly does that and he's good at it and fucking the rock.
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I mean, dude, for him to get shoehorned in every goddamn wrestling, he's he's doing PR for himself.
And he's also keeping his name in wrestling so he could sell more shirts or whatever.
And literally anything WWE. Oh, my man, I'm so tired of that shit. He doesn't need to be in everything like.
As far as wrestling or for WWE, like what if 30 years from now, oh, let's shoehorn the rock for some documentary about this specific era.
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Well, yeah, I influenced this era because 60 years ago. Yeah. Like, you know, the attitude era.
Yeah, I don't know, man. They need to stop doing that. But as long as the rocks around, it'll continue happening.
Oh, he's a fucking board member now. As long as he's on the board, he's he's going to be inserted into literally everything.
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So, oh, joy. Oh, fucking joy. This documentary is fucking ass. Yeah, it's really fucking terrible.
I'm glad we only have one episode left to talk about because this this thing is the same shit we've seen.
It's nothing new. It's nothing new.
Bruce Prichard continues to ball wash Vince McMahon and say how he was a great person and that he did this and that for him.
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But I'm like, that's not everybody's experience. Apparently, Tony Atlas was so invested.
So it's like maybe the work environment was great for you. But what about the other people? Yeah.
The other number of numerous people that didn't have that experience. Yeah.
But you didn't. True story. So anyways. All right. That'll be it for this episode.
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