24 - Turning "Failure" Into Inspirational Games

Tune in for an episode full of flubs, phlegm, and philosophical fumbles. (No failures were harmed… but Samuel’s vocal cords might need a rematch.)

In Episode 24 of Gamify This, hosted live by Puzzle, Sean and Samuel compete to Gamify Failure with chaos, coughs, and a chat savior named Littleraindrop. Samuel (battling a sore throat and extra-unhinged energy) designs games that reframe failure’s context, turning flops into strategic pivots. Sean, meanwhile, focuses on rewiring emotional responses to setbacks, arguing that how you feel about failing matters more than the failure itself.

As theories clash, Samuel’s bombastic rants crescendo into raspy tirades, Sean dissects vulnerability with zen confusion, and Puzzle's hosting abilities are put to the test. Can failure actually be fun? Or will Samuel’s voice give out before Sean’s optimism does?

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CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Intro

(15:05) The Topic

(16:43) Round 1 - You Failed the Final Round at a Live Game Show

(27:16) Round 2 - The Slow-Burn Failure

(41:01) POP QUIZ!

(47:12) Round 3 - The Fail Forward Challenge

(48:30) Obstacle 1

(50:37) Obstacle 2

(54:11) Obstacle 3

(54:58) Obstacle 4

(59:03) Obstacle 5

(1:01:54) Obstacle 6

(1:07:17) How Do You See Failure As Part of the Solution?

(1:12:27) The Points Breakdown and The WINNER!

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to Gamify This featuringthe artist Samuel the gamer Sean
the Nerd puzzle. Join them as they transform the
ordinary into extraordinary, infusing your life with purpose,

(00:22):
fun, and the power of gamification on Gamify this.
Welcome back to Gamify This, thepodcast game show.
We definitely started our recording on time this time and
we're definitely all in a very positive great.
Mood Samuel Sean, I was sharing my enthusiasm puzzle.

(00:45):
It's your turn, Blend. Welcome back.
This is your first episode. I am the host.
I give them a topic and they come up with ways to gamify that
situation. Whoever comes up with the best
way, shut up, quiet. They come up with the best way
to gamify that scenario, and whoever came up with the best
way hosts the next episode. I'm hosting today because I won

(01:08):
the last episode. If this episode continues to go
the way it has so far, Samuel will be permanently kicked out
of the podcast and there'll justbe a toss up between me and Sean
back and forth. I almost have me and Michael.
Something's very wrong with me. You.
Know I think it would be a much better podcast.
Everyone just buzzling Sean. He wants to moon launch you.

(01:34):
You're going to the moon, and not in a fun way.
Samuel, please. Please.
I think you need to be under some form of influence right now
to calm you down. All right, so we have been
welcomed back to the show. I won the last episode, so I'm
hosting this episode. I am not a merciful judge.
I am not a patient host. I make them work.

(01:58):
I make them earn the win. We will be here as long as we
need. Sean, Between the last episode
and this episode, if you don't remember, the last episode was
math. Between the last episode and
this episode, how have you gamified your life or how have
you wished you have gamified your life?

(02:21):
Samuel? Oh yeah, Sean, you have an
answer. I want to be working on my sleep
schedule. I can gamify that.
Hey, yeah, if you win this episode, you can host the next
one and gamify sleep. I've been there's, you know what
happens? I know what happens.

(02:42):
I know a lot of what happens. A lot of what happens is Samuel.
I am muting. I muted him.
He's he's, he's not being heard right now.
Sean, continue. What is happening to him?
I muted. Him, well, I'm currently, I'm

(03:02):
currently gamifying not looking at Samuel's camera because I
don't know what's happening there.
I mean, you could say I've been gamifying history.
By that I I just mean I've been reading a book and I've been
enjoying it. So, Sean, one specific thing
would be your sleep schedule. That would be a nice thing to
either make a plan for or gamify.
Yes, I've also been wanting to switch therapists maybe.

(03:26):
So do you feel like you're running into a wall?
Do you feel like it's been negative, net negative, net
positive, or just kind of not doing anything?
What's the reason behind wantingto switch it up?
The guy has a very rational brain.
And not as much an empath. Yeah, he's, he's not exact.
He's not exactly an empath. And so like, he helped me a lot
in the early years of COVID and,you know, getting over being a,

(03:52):
an angsty, traumatized teenager.But right now where I am is just
kind of trying to understand howmy past influences me and who I
am and why I struggle with certain things.
And that takes a different type of person.
I'm going to finish out this month with him, at least.
I might do more with him, but I'm going to I'm going to look

(04:13):
for other people soon. That's a big step to take.
It's very vulnerable doing that and.
Because your therapist could shoot.
You, they can't shoot you and they aren't allowed to do that.
Dang it. Emotionally, it can feel, you
know, the investment, all the years of building into
essentially a relationship that you then have to start over and

(04:35):
kind of catch up the next one tospeed.
Yeah, same as something of valueto say.
I want Samuel to say because he has switched therapists.
So changed from a good therapistto a bad therapist.
That therapist was because you work, aren't getting so many
layers of yourself removed, becoming vulnerable, being

(04:58):
convinced you're in a safe environment and all that.
Opening up about a bunch of stuff you don't talk to other
people about to get all the way to the center of yourself and be
told I don't like what I see. You need to change that.
Yeah. I'm like, change what?
Change what you are, and that isjust very debilitating.
I just wanted to kill myself that year.
Didn't he like, tell you that you shouldn't be an artist?

(05:21):
Yeah, pretty much. I should consider not being
cartoonist and just try to live a normal adult life, stuff like
that. Now, when you say you see what
you are and you don't like it and you need to like change it,
do you mean was he trying to tell you to?
Was he trying to tell you that like, you know, you have anger
issues and you should work on that and that's changing you or

(05:44):
what? What part of you?
It was more like your personality is bad and you need
to be a more normal person. Everything about you that you
like is the problem, and you need to change that because it's
causing all the problems that you're having.
He was trying to come up with, Imean, I don't, I won't get into
personal or specific things, buthe's like coming up with these
really weird false connections and assumptions and solutions

(06:08):
based off of Samuel and his differences.
And like he likes to watch cartoons and stuff as an adult.
And the therapist was like, that's not normal.
You need to stop doing that. And like all these weird things.
It's like making all these assumptions and trying to draw
these conclusions. And it's like, does he just have
one idea of what a human being is supposed to be?

(06:30):
And I was just thinking about the fact that there are a lot of
people out there who get the wrong kind of treatment and go
about their life not living genuinely.
And I said I want to live genuinely.
I would live my life to the fullest.
He said no, you need to live quietly and you need to keep
your head down. We'll take this transition from
Sean to Samuel. Samuel, how about you?
Between the math episode and this episode, how have you

(06:51):
gamified your life and how have you wished you had gamified your
life? So excuse me, when I think about
gamification, I think about connections, how things are like
other things. And especially if it's something
you don't feel like doing or you're more specifically
struggling to do is where you look at, hey, here is how it's

(07:12):
like this other thing that I have managed to do.
And so like with training Scrappy, I've been having to
remind myself he's not captain. You might have a remote control
for him, but it's not going to tell him what he wants to do.
So you're going to, I have to use positive reinforcement and I
have been very bad at that. But I've been working really
hard in the last year on reconnecting with Scrappy and

(07:36):
finding out what he's like, making sure he likes being here.
And, you know, he chose us. But now he feels like he lives
in captivity. He is an adventurous dog and he
wants to go on adventures and sometimes that can be a little
much for me and Captain, but it's like, hey, if you can't
give him the adventure, you don't deserve the dog.
You know, the dog is your adventure.

(07:58):
He's telling you what you shouldbe doing.
And they have full lives, like they don't just live inside of
what you want and how you want them to be and how you want them
to behave. They have their own personality.
They have their own idea of life.
He's had stuff he's been trying to communicate with me, like he
was peeing on my bed so many times.
I'm like, what are you trying totell me?

(08:18):
I've had to change my bed sheetsso many times, but you're trying
to tell me and he's like, you don't pay attention to me.
Anyway, I gave him a fight dating.
Oh, did you have another breakup?
Yeah. No, with the Latina girl.
No, that was my first girlfriend10 years ago.
The one that told you you shouldbe voice acting?

(08:40):
What was she was She's Mexican. Scandinavian.
I don't know. No, but she was mistaken for
Mexican a lot if that helps. Native American.
Yeah, you got that one. Yeah, Hispanic, Native American,
same thing. I made a game out of our
relationship being that I had tokeep taking notes and separating

(09:03):
what was happening versus where am I in my real life and what's
going on and stuff like that. And I kind of just had to keep
telling myself, does this look in any way, shape or form like
the relationships that you've had to get out of?
And I mean, this is a great person.
I would still speak highly of her and I would love to still be
friends with her. The game there was connections

(09:27):
and noticing what negative partsof my life she was reminding me
of so that I would make those connections.
A lot of it was she just remind me of myself and it was me
trying to re understand myself and navigate the fact that I'd
recently have my heart broken. That's not a great reason to
date somebody to unbreak your heart.
Yeah. I think they call those

(09:49):
rebounds. Yeah, no, they are.
They are called rebounds. And she's rekindled my desire to
do things that other people discourage me from doing with
the whole, hey, somebody's goingto be a fan of this out there.
Somebody's going to see like therandom newspapers you make once
a month and love them. And sure enough, you know, that
little kick. I've had people saying, no,
that's not going to work. That's a waste of time, that's a

(10:10):
waste of effort. But listening to the person who
says do do it and see what happens, I've seen great
results. When you say you were looking
for connections and reminders ofwhat has gone wrong in wrong in
the past, do you think it's possible that you could have
seen something that looked like something but was actually fine?

(10:33):
Because traumatized people don'tsee the world the same way, and
so something that looks like a problem may not be a problem.
So how are you distinguishing? No, I definitely agree with you
on that. And I was trying to be very
careful of that because I was like, it's just fear, it's just
you, not one. But it's like, no, genuinely, I
don't think I want this. And I was noticing things about

(10:54):
my childhood trauma that I had not addressed.
And I ended up talking to her about those things and being
like, shoot, she's just someone to help me get over my issues
with my mother. People need to be able to live
fully, not just half lives. And the whole relationship
seemed to be based on healing me.
I can do that on my own. I I mean I should get therapy

(11:17):
and stuff. But it's not the point of a
relationship. Exactly.
Especially the early stages of arelationship.
I and I would argue that even ifyou fall in love with somebody,
you need to be able to help healeach other.
But I think that is a it's not arequirement, but it really,
really helps. And if you can't talk about your

(11:39):
problems with people and ask forsupport and comfort, then
there's a problem. Yeah, absolutely.
There's a there's a difference between being early on in a
relationship and being like, I'mgoing to be open with you and be
like, I'm struggling with money,I hate my job, stuff like this.
And then alternatively, unpacking deep rooted trauma and
stuff that's way deep down to like super personal with someone

(12:02):
that you just started dating. Like those are two different
things. And like being open to talk
about your struggles, your day-to-day struggles, even stuff
like personality wise, that's totally fine.
But unpacking stuff that you haven't with like anyone before,
with someone who you pretty muchyou're still figuring out.
Yeah, it is. It's a.

(12:23):
Lot. Kind of, yeah.
For a lot of normal people, that's too much.
That's that'll freak them out. They need to know you're
trustworthy before you ask for trust.
For the most part everything wasgreat and I just kept realizing
this isn't this isn't right for me.
I mean, the more failures you experience, the more you'll

(12:46):
understand about, yeah, the moreyou'll understand about yourself
and about life. And that's actually a perfect
segue. If anyone has anything left to
say or if you guys are ready forthe topic of this I.
Object to your Honor. Approach the bench.
Approach the what now? The bench.
There's nothing to call somebody.
Approach the bench. Approach the bench, Sir.
What? Was your objection.

(13:07):
So I just wanted to ask how you were doing today.
Me, myself, I yeah, the job search is stupid.
I hate it. It's awful and it's exhausting.
I currently have had some good work to do related to my dad's
business, but I personally like it pays well and it's, it's
somewhat suited to my expertise,but I'd really prefer to have a

(13:32):
job that is unrelated from family.
Yeah, you're stuck at level 1 orthe waiting room or whatever.
You're stuck. Back in the lobby.
Yeah, but I'm not like I'm stuckin the lobby, but I have a
cooler skin. Yeah, your your skin is much
cooler now because it's coated. Because I see coding, I get it.

(13:54):
Lumi's stung you with this little behind lumen.
Lumi, Lumi is the hang on. Let me see if I have one, yeah.
The analogy was falling. Apart mascot for the school.
Nice. Yeah, OK.
So that's pretty much been it. It's just the job search is just
kind of emotionally and physically draining.
Also, Jesse's been sick all weekand hasn't been working.

(14:15):
She's been staying home to recover and she's not taking
this much time off like ever before so.
Now her body's telling her, wow,we really needed this.
Let's pull in deeper and deeper into these pillows.
And also in the meantime I've been trying to pull weight and
get money. You got money by lifting
weights. No, Lift the lift the weight of

(14:38):
responsibility. Thank you, Raindrop.
A little raindrop is sending Jesse good vibes and energy.
Yeah, I already said thank you. I didn't thank.
You I, I had no way to thank youbecause I didn't know that was
happening. How come, Sean?
And you can see what's happening.
We're watching the stream. Or or you can click on the chat
inside Riverside. What's interesting, you stream

(14:59):
inside Riverside. I thought you're stream from
Riverside. Oh, there's like 71 messages,
yeah. Anyway, as I said earlier, we
kind of segued into the topic for this week.
If you guys are ready, I'd like to bring that to you.
This chat does not make any sense to me.
Are you guys, are you guys ready?
I am ready. Samuel, you're ready?

(15:20):
Yes, this episode you guys are going to gamify failure.
And I'm going to do this in, youknow, my unique way is every
episode I try to come up with a different structure of the
episode. This week I'm going to give you
scenarios and I want you to on your feet in the moment, come up

(15:42):
with a strategic way to gamify it and make it beneficial to
your life instead of a negative failure.
Something to rebound from. Too soon, Sean.
Oh, it's always soon. Rebound is always too soon.
So if you guys are ready, I feellike the energy's been a little
bit off today. I'm sorry, Well, we will

(16:04):
definitely edit this and we willcome back.
Like I'm trying to interrupt less.
Sometimes I start talking and it's a really difficult,
challenging game for me to get myself to stop because the
scenery is so cool and I'm curious about.
Anyway, surprises first scenarioI'm going to bring to you.
What is with the reflection? What is with the reflect is.
That is crazy. You gotta Halo eyes.

(16:27):
I'm. Just gonna do the rest of the
episode without my glasses because I can't.
But then you can't see. I can this is only for long
distance, like if I'm if I'm driving and stuff.
You wear those when you're in a long distance relationship.
Yeah, so I can see them, so I can see the person.
I'm having a relationship. Anyway, are you guys ready?
I I gave you the topic Gamify this failure.

(16:49):
Scenario one is the epic fail moment.
Imagine you're on a game show and you're seconds away from
winning a life changing prize. But then you completely botched
the final answer. The buzzer sounds.
Silence. You failed in front of millions
of people. Your challenge is to gamify
this. How do you make this failure in

(17:10):
the spotlight into something fun, meaningful, or even
rewarding? Samuel danged it first.
I almost knocked over my chair. I've done that in an episode
before and I don't want to do itagain.
Samuel, let's hear. It's called this rags to riches.

(17:31):
I like it. So you begin the story where
you're in the game show at the point of failure, and then you
have a flashback. It's like, wow, I remember how I
got to this point. And you go backwards in your
mind and then you play this whole challenging game of how
you got up to this point of failure.
How there are you even have an audience of millions of people.

(17:54):
How you even have a game show that you participated in on dive
television like this one still goes to the books.
Your face is on there and it doesn't have to be discouraged.
It can be a good sport. You can be what you need to be
in that moment, but you have to take that journey again in your
mind and remember when you were rags and how you became riches

(18:15):
and that is how you are also going to move forward.
Daniel, I mean whoop. I mean, Sean, not stable, Sean.
All right, So what you need to do about this is keep the media
talking about you. You need to do the most
outlandish stuff so that you cankeep people talking about you,
doesn't really matter if it's negative attention or not, so

(18:36):
that somebody will invite you back onto their platform.
Hopefully a podcast and you willbe able to talk about your
failure. So it can be clipped and go
viral on TikTok? Exactly.
Music in the background and the annoying subtitles.

(18:58):
It's not annoying, it's spiritual.
Sorry. We found the sucker in the group
anyway, Sean, continue. Sorry.
So anyway, once you have this stuff on the podcast, then you
garner public support to rebuildyour backing and eventually get
back onto the show where you win.

(19:18):
Getting on a game show is very difficult.
If we're going for reality, I would gamify contentment because
you don't need the prize to be happy.
It's not about the prize. It's about embarrassing yourself
in front of millions of people. It's about your.

(19:40):
It's about yourself worth. It isn't about the worth of the
money, it's about you. It really helps if you're like
me and you're into that. Samuel, I'm muting you again.
You're muted. You're muted now.
You're banned. Not right now, Samuel.
Be ambitious and attack this thing like you're going to win.
But if I make make sure you havedisconnected yourself worth from

(20:06):
this achievement so that whenever this basket of eggs
goes crappy, you are not going to sink in the crappy eggs and I
am digging myself further into ahole.
OK, it's all right. It's all right.
It's all right. You guys did you guys, you guys

(20:27):
tried? We did a public embarrassment.
I'm practicing. Yeah, OK, Now game fight.
This feeling, this feeling rightnow, turn it into something that
can improve you. Turn this.
Embrace this feeling. close youreyes, take a deep breath.
This feeling, you're embarrassed, you feel horrible.
You're so embarrassed. You just.

(20:48):
You just. Yeah, Yeah.
We're giving same old middle child treatment and he is a
middle child also. Samuel, you're not muted
anymore. I heard you going.
I was. Wondering when I get this back.
Sean, you're embracing it. You're embracing it.
Keep embracing it. Samuel, you're unmuted.
You can talk. So this feeling.
Prove them. Wrong.
Am I muted? There we go.
No, you're unmuted but quiet. Wait, it's not my turn to talk.

(21:10):
I'm working with Sean here. He's finally got himself in the
feeling. Keep it, keep it.
Hold on to it. Grab it.
Pull back in. This feels bad.
This feels bad. This is embarrassing.
This is humiliating, horrible. Make this good.
All right, first of all, OK, I have an idea.
Have a good life and do something worthy of good stuff.

(21:38):
And then so that when you do that thing, you prove wrong all
of the people that thought you were an idiot.
And the real thing that matters is that you're OK with yourself.
So by completely not caring you are actually saying freak you.
OK, I, I, I understand where you're coming from.

(21:59):
I, I get that. I that's all right.
But you all right, you 2, you 2 talk each other.
So here's the way I see it, Sean, The real success is in the
fact like, oh great, you have people's attention.
You are an icon. Your failure was funny.

(22:22):
Whatever face you made, if you can go back and catch the face,
like that's the face I made whenI realized I lost, I would draw
a cartoon of that and I would make memes off of it.
I'll just be like, look guys, I'm into the game show.
I would write a book about it because what I've gotten The
Hobbit of saying is, look, I managed to feel at this.
I feel at this. What else might I be able to

(22:43):
fail at? It's like breakups, right?
Like the more breakups you go through, the more you find out
about your relational self with a failure.
Like in a game show where it's like, wow, I got all the way to
the point where I was in this game show.
That's just another one for the books for you.
Like that is in your journal. You'll get to rewrite that

(23:03):
entire story of rags to riches. Like, hey, hey, I died in a
mansion. Hooray.
Or if you're like, yeah, I was humiliated, but that's like if
the Confederacy shot me and I died for heroism, victimize
yourself. Why are we back in the Civil
War? Because he's reading a book on
the Civil War right now. It's on the front of his mind.
The whole civil war was just so boring.

(23:25):
You might actually make me. Boring.
It was like the most important. Men in sideburns on noisy
horses, loud, loud cannons. Smallpox.
Like what a terrible. Sickness.
Yeah. Embarrassing.
Embarrassing. Why were we ever in such a
situation like that if we were so weak we died from the flu?
Like get. Over it.

(23:46):
How long is it gonna take peopleto realize?
Just take some Robitussin. Yeah, just take some Robitussin
like I did. I had a whole bottle of it in 2
days. Penicillin.
They had penicillin, right? You might live, you might die
every day. That's all you're thinking
about. That's not to enjoy cartoons.
You don't get to listen to the radio.
You don't even get to open a newspaper and read it.
A bomb lands in the middle of your newspaper.

(24:06):
Like great crap, my coffee is everywhere.
Thanks a lot for the bomb. All right, Samuel, Samuel.
Game if I shutting your mouth. Game if I shutting your mouth?
No. He tried his best.
You know, I like to see something.
Samuel, I formally request you to Civil War my.

(24:31):
Arms, all right, He, he, he was asking to be muted.
He's muted now. The overall vibe I'm getting
from this scenario is look back on what brought you to this big
moment in the 1st place and don't let it get to you.
Because everybody fails and being in a higher stakes
situation just makes that more public.

(24:53):
Doesn't mean you're worse than anybody.
Else actually have higher privilege because I'm white.
I'm not what you'd call a Sissy.They say if you're a Sissy
gender white man. This entire episode is a

(25:15):
blooper. OK, How are we going to, how are
we going to synopsize this, this, this round?
Because I have three more roundsand we don't have a lot of time.
Well, apparently we have to turnit into a Civil War game with
horses and bayonets and cannons did that.
What are the horses? Where are the bayonets?
Where are the cannons? Come on.

(25:37):
Can you mute him again? I would love to, but I don't.
I can't. I can't mute him because right
now our task is to summarize, isto summarize the scenario so
that the public, the audience, the listeners right now who are
frothing at the mouth for an answer, they were just now
publicly humiliated. They just failed big time.

(25:58):
We need to give them a nugget ofadvice.
We're not professionals. We can give them a nugget.
No, you see what I do to make myself feel better?
When I'm publicly humiliated, I just imagine myself in my
underwear and I feel much better.
No, no, no, no. In my underwear.
No, this whole episode was a failure.

(26:19):
Oh my goodness. I can't summarize it because I
don't know what happened. Bro, if this is a game, I want
to respond. You know what we don't have?
We don't have an answer and that's OK.
It's. I think the summary is that you

(26:40):
try not to let it get to yourself worth.
You don't just not let it get toyou, you use.
It I was getting. There.
Oh cool, we're on the same page.Yeah, you don't let it make you
believe that you are less capable than anybody else,
because those people in the audience wouldn't have known

(27:00):
enough to get where you got. Perfect, full stop.
That's great. Love it.
Don't worry. The person who comes up with the
best summary gets five points, so keep that in mind, all right,
it's very important. Round 2 Ding Ding, the slow burn
failure. You are getting muted and naked.

(27:26):
He's muted. All right, picture this.
You've been working on a passionproject for years.
You pour your heart into it, butafter launch, crickets, no one
cares. Is it really failure if it just
quietly fizzes out? And if so, how do we gamify a
failure that doesn't hit at once, but instead just lingers?

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You know, I've thought about this one, Ding.
Well, Samuel dinged first. You know I have the Ding rule.
I like the Ding Ding. The way that I think about it,
let's not open that way. Here's the truth of the matter.
I play Heart built. I create a music video as a
passion project that I built with my heart, and I've done the
Tick Tock Trailblazer. I've drummed up as much

(28:10):
attention as I could to the project.
I release it, and somehow that still didn't work.
But I back it up again to my purpose of making the thing.
I made it because I wanted to make it.
It was my passion project. It wasn't the world's passion
project. I just didn't want to keep it
away from the world so that if anybody else needed it or anyone
else wanted it, they could have it.
And so I remind myself, you know, they can't all be hits.

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It's got to be a surprise. That's what makes it special.
When it is a hit, I'm like, great, I made something.
I'm in productive mode. I made Don't Break a Goat's
Heart so many years ago. And I keep trying to get people
to see it because I wanted to bewhat I was famous for.
That's why I've got all this GOAT stuff going on for me now.
Cool. Yeah.
So personal energy from it doesn't matter if other people

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care about it is the fact that you finished it.
Bring it up at everything you make as your one great work.
Put references to your things that your true fans seek it out
and they finally like this was the project he was actually
proud of. Guys, look, this was the project
he was actually proud of. All right, Sean.
This one is called Localize and the whole point of this one is

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to bring your mind back around to all of the unique benefits
you can have in a scenario whereyou're not public.
If you put out a book or a pieceof art, visual art or some kind
of music, there are two ways it can actually be beneficial.
So first of all, is inner development.

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Something that helps you, and this is where Samuel's model
falls under, is exercising your passion, creativity, building
character through like perseverance or whatever what
the Frick is going on. He just.

(30:03):
Did you actually put that in your mouth?
Goal. All right, Sean, I'm muted.
Same milk. Sean, I'm going to need you to
ignore that he's eating a paper bag.
I'm going to need you to. Why is he so challenged today?
I need you to cash me back up, need to catch me up because I

(30:23):
completely forgot everything yousaid in the last five minutes.
I was listening but then I just got memory wiped.
Okay, localization, right? Name of the Game. 2 distinct
ways of benefits that you can only really focus on when you're
not public. First one is personal
development, and then it's with your friends, your family,
people you know in your personallife that you can take your art

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to and share it with them and talk about it with them.
And have it be an inside thing that you guys understand, you
guys know, and you guys develop from.
And you can turn this thing thatwas supposed to be for the
slight enrichment of the entire public for deeper enrichment of

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a few cared for souls. What did he do?
Continue enrichment for a few souls, not for the world.
Which creates small community around it in a way which is why
I called it localized. And.
The way you apply it is wheneveryou think, whenever you have a
negative thought about the failure, counteract it with.

(31:33):
Counteract that negative thoughtabout your failure with a
positive thought about a local benefit in you or your friends.
I like it. I like it a lot actually.
It's it's, I think important. I like.
I like that, Sean. I do.

(31:54):
I especially like it because when you're away from the praise
of the public, you can really take time to focus on the deeper
stuff. Yeah, and get some deeper
feedback instead of just like, let's say for example, this
project was maybe a music video you put on YouTube and you're

(32:14):
hoping to get a lot of comments from strangers that only saw you
for 3 1/2 minutes through this music video.
And that's all they know about you and they are giving you
feedback. You really want to get feedback
from people who only know you for this.
I like Sean's concept because it's you bring it to people who
have known you your whole life or have known you for a few
years and have a broader contextof your personality, yourself,

(32:35):
you, you as a human, and this project you made, how your
personality went through it, maybe some things that seem
ingenuine, stuff like that. Disingenuous.
Thank you, Samuel. It's like, yeah, if if you if
you show your music video to your girlfriend, she will
actually be able to make observations about the painting.

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Sorry about the music video and about you.
I just feel like this. I have a girlfriend, I wouldn't
be too upset if I got a DUI. Just meet him now because.
It would mean to Sean, you are abusing this power that puzzle
has as if it's so they could just do.
And I was like, what? Was that wasn't it?
What were those words? It means two things.

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One, it means you can drive. It means you have a car. 2 It
means that you're going out and you are partying.
Or you're just sad. Bonus three, Somebody's paying
attention to you, the boy. Yeah, the cops.
Dreams really do come true. So not that I really notice how

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neglected I was as a child. Sometimes it really dawns on me
that I have issues. Oh, because none of us
understand why that was a. Why?
I actually feel good when I think about it.
Has living alone been beneficialor detrimental to you?
Because you're just eating paper?
A little bit ago, you've been you've been bombastic.

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Now he's eating aluminum. Aluminum cans.
I like the. Sounds and sisters in the field
of goats taught me goats poop intheir feed crop.
So do you. That's why you've gone insane.
OK, OK, OK. OK.
OK. OK.
They're both muted. They're both muted.

(34:25):
Hi, guys. Just to remind you, I'm the host
of today's episodes. No matter what they say, I can
override it. I can veto it.
I can get back in control. Don't worry, you're safe with
me. I'm trying to reel things back
in. You're able to unmute yourself?
Go. No, no, no.
OK, apparently they're able to unmute themselves.

(34:46):
Who would like to try to give a summary of this round somehow?
I'm not quite sure I understood this round to be honest.
Ding. Sean.
So Samuel's approach was to actively promote this project of
yours so that you can be remembered for it if among less
people, but you can still be remembered for it.

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And that's your icon. You're 1 great piece.
My approach was, you know, accept that it's not public, but
focus on the other benefits thatit can still give you among you
and your friends. That seems more passive than
active. That's like, that's like
watching the play instead of participating in.
No, he's seeing where he can take action because it feels
like it's out of your grasp. And it's like, wait, no, I still

(35:30):
have the ability to show these to the people I know.
I still have the ability to showthis project to people I know.
It's recontextualizing it. So he's saying the same thing,
just in different words in English.
Your solution was try harder, mine was going another
direction. No, mine wasn't.
Try harder. Mine was looking at your project

(35:51):
with just as much love as you looked at it before.
Before it existed. That makes sense.
Up to the time that Don't Break a Goat Heart, Goat's Heart came
out, I was thinking of it as a song that I enjoyed, but I was
like, man, am I ever going to actually be able to make it?
Because I don't actually know what it's supposed to sound
like. And once it's made, that's going
to be it. And it might be wrong.
After it came out, I went sharedit with everybody who was close

(36:15):
to me. They enjoyed it.
And maybe not to hyper focus on Don't Break a Good's Heart, but
that was my first passion project.
My passion project would be cartoon Willy Wonka movie.
I don't think. Full resolution.
I don't think we're. I don't think we're talking
about our own personal passion. That was a whole other episode.

(36:37):
Passion Project was was an episode.
All about squirrels. I hosted that can you should go
watch it, I'm awesome. All right.
I like this. I like this a lot.
We are tangentializing. I don't know who to give the
summary point to because I don'tremember who gave a summary.
I did. No, I gave the summary.
We both did. That's what you asked us for.

(36:59):
I pressed the Ding button. OK, so doesn't matter who did.
Now each of you give your best 10 second summary of this round.
Sean first. OK.
My approach was focus on local benefits.
Samuel's approach was disconnectthe value of the project from

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the public. Love it anyway.
OK, Samuel. Sean's focus was disconnect the
value of the project to the public.
You didn't do it. My focus was get it back to the
public. OK, so that's not what I mean by
the summaries. I'm trying, I'm not asking you

(37:43):
what you guys said. I'm the summary is how how can
we help people? What, what what the?
Person is how we can help. People in in the burnout
scenario, in the in the burn, the slow burn failure where you
worked really hard for somethingand then how will they go about
it? Disney when he came out with
Mickey Mouse. You have 10 seconds.
Sorry. Well, when he came out with

(38:05):
Mortimer Mouse, originally, he wanted a public gaze to see it,
and they did not. And then he became famous and
they did. So his first presentation.
I'll give you extra time, but. But no, no, no.
I thought my time was up. I stopped.
OK, be like Disney, is what Samuel says.
Yeah. All right, Sean.

(38:26):
Like Samuel said, try and get itback into the public if you can.
What I would say is while you'redoing that, while it's private,
focus on the benefits you can get while it's private with you
and your friends. OK.
I yeah, probably. The challenge is getting your
friends to see it if it hasn't picked up that kind of traction.

(38:47):
People live with me who don't see the YouTube videos that I've
poured 3 or so years into lay. Them for them.
No, like get in their house and play it and they're like, hi
Samuel. And they're looking at me like
this. I'm like do.
You not value the things you make.
Man. Do you not value the?
Things I'm like, do you not value?
Samuel, do you not? If you're embarrassed to show it
to them, are you not value to? Show it to them, then do it.

(39:10):
Not at all embarrassed to show it to them.
You're hanging out. Embarrassed of them that they
don't want to see. They're like, I don't really
like cartoons. Be like, hey, did you watch my
most recent music video? No, we didn't.
Hey, it's 3 minutes long. I'm working on a book rough
draft. You're like, I don't really read
books. Am I being rejected again?
I I, I I. Don't know if that that seems

(39:34):
like a problem with the people around you.
Need better people around you. Once you have good people around
you that are supportive when youshow them things, they should at
least give you a little bit of feedback or something.
My concern is the level of smells that dairy consent has
produced. It's bad when you can't even
stand the stench of your own ass.
Do you think dairy who what? What is this wrong?
Chat. How many streams do you have

(39:55):
open? What dude?
What was the context? OK, make like make like your
name and rage quit or something.But welcome to the stream and
goodbye, I guess. So the summary of that, the
summary of round two, Sean Samuel said, be like Disney.

(40:16):
He was a failure at first. He didn't give up.
He made good things. And then once his stuff became
public, people are now researching the first project he
ever did, which was modem or Mortimer mouse or something like
that, and it will never be forgotten.
Sean's was, if it fails to get in the public, show it to your
friends and focus on the people that are around you.

(40:38):
So I think he dipped, guys. I think he dipped.
I think he's out of here. That was, I don't know.
I don't know what that was. I, I was watching you read that,
read that. And I was like, I'm not going to
stop him. Very cool, very cool.
Mr. Rage quit I think. I think he made like his name
and rage quitted. So are you guys ready for a pop

(41:03):
quiz? Yeah.
Okay, pop quiz man. Pop quiz if you guys don't know
if you're watching on Spotify and you're on a mobile device
and I think computers, you can'tdo this on if you're watching on
TV or, or I'm muting you Sean, that's so loud.
If you're watching on ATV or a, a, a game console or something

(41:25):
like that, you're not able to dothe polls, but Spotify has a
poll feature and I want you guysto be a part of this quiz.
So once I say the question and the options out loud, it's a
multiple choice quiz. Pause the video, Scroll down and
select the option that you thinkis the answer.
Then push play and you'll hear us give the answer.
Are you 2 ready to hear today's question?
Yes, this is a multiple choice question.

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Make sure you answer it correctly.
Which of the following game mechanics would be most
effective for helping people handle failure in a fun and
engaging way? Option A respawns.
Option B permanent death. Option C punishments or Option D
no failure wait. In order to what?
For helping players handle failure in a fun and engaging

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way. Option A Response.
You get another chance to try again and improve.
Option B Perma death. One mistake and it's game over.
Option C Punishments. The more you fail, the worse it
gets or the more challenging it gets.
And option D No failure. Every move is successful and
there's no room for mistakes. Send your answer ABC or D in the

(42:32):
chat in 321. All right, so the correct answer
is a responds because giving players a chance to try again
and learn from their mistakes helps them improve themselves.
It's like a stepping stone, not a set back.
Samuel, explain why you chose perma death.
I think permit death is better because it's more like real

(42:53):
life, and so it actually equips you a little better because you
often have to take more than onestep back.
You often have to go way back. So you may find that you get up
to that point in the game a lot faster, but you still put in the
work. I actually completely agree with
Samuel on this one. I think that perma death is a

(43:14):
viable way for some people to enjoyably process failure.
Not that the failure is good, but that the reward for finally
succeeding is so much greater than just responding.
Yeah. And honestly, like in real life,
you're not going to keep starting back over at the same
level. It you've leveled up yourself as

(43:34):
the gamer playing the game to beable to get up to that point in
the game faster, doing all the work again.
And so it's actually building character in your real life
where you're like, you know what, in real life you don't
just to get to start over at thesame level, but you have honed
skills yourself. You learn to work your way back

(43:54):
up to the place, the place whereyou are.
Only reason I chose respawn is because it's not as unpleasant.
Perma death is higher risk, higher reward.
Respawn is somewhere in the middle.
I see from the perspective of myown experience.
I play or I play Ori with respawn puzzle plays Ori with

(44:15):
perma death where he's like one life expectancy, right?
Is that what you call it? One life.
Expectancy. It's called one Life, Yeah.
Oh, you're not expectancy. And that's the way he feels
like. I play the game, too.
I'm too sloppy. I make too many mistakes too
easily because I don't care enough, because I know I'm going
to just start right back over. He plays with a more of an
intense focus because he knows he's got to get all the way

(44:40):
there. And then he gets better and
better and better at the game because he continues to go that
far. And that reflects on how we
treat our lives a little bit. And like, I'm a little bit more
sloppy and he's a bit more focused and organized and he
takes like finances and stuff a lot more seriously.
Respawn gives you like a casual average positive experience if

(45:05):
if you have the right mindset and perma death is just really
intense and so you have the ability to go really negative.
With Respawn you don't really have that, but with perma death
the reward is so much higher. In perma death it would be more
depressing if it's like OK shut down, you can't play the game

(45:26):
anymore. You have to put a new token in
and start over versus, oh, OK, got to go back in, work our way
up to that level. I mean, it does feel a bit
discouraging, but it's not like they've shut the game down and
you can't play it anymore. You know, it still gives you
another chance. A new lease on life, but it's a
new lease from the beginning of the journey.
Yeah, you know what? You not only convinced yourself,

(45:49):
you not only convinced Sean, youmight have convinced me that the
correct option is not the correct option.
What? What research was it based on?
My own self, I guess I just didn't think about it very
deeply. I mean, I was kind of scrambling
to prepare for this episode, but.
No, that's OK. That's.
What it's all about. It's all about the
conversations. It's a podcast.
I thought this was a little moreconversational because, I mean,

(46:11):
it's like quiz. I'm like, wait a minute.
Well, I expected a quiz, but then you gave me that and I was
like, I think this is an opinion.
I think he wants to hear our thoughts.
Pop opinion. Pop Opinion.
I think the best approach is something like Cuphead or Halo,
where you progress through the game, but when you revive you
just go back to the lobby. With Cuphead, you start a level,

(46:34):
you die, too bad, but try again.But you can, you can.
You can have a lot of progress and die and lose it.
I don't enjoy B, but I do think B is the most effective.
I think that really makes you gamify your life because you're
more driven. I think it really really depends

(46:56):
on the person. I don't think there is a right
answer here. Yeah, I mean, I agree there
isn't a right answer. I'll just try and see if you
guys agree with me. And then I'm realizing I don't
agree with myself. So very good I.
Persuaded you? I wonder if they got me any
points. Here is the final round.
You guys ready? Yes.

(47:17):
I want a little more energy fromyou guys.
This is the final round. Are you guys ready?
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Let's try that again. I'm.
Determined. Guys, Are you ready friends?
All right, all. Right.
All right. Are you guys ready?

(47:52):
Mine was all in one breath. Oh wow, I I half unplugged my
headphones so I could only hear things out of my left ear and
there was a Yum Yum Yum Yum in my left ear and it wasn't good.
Final Round The Ultimate Fail Forward Challenge Welcome to the
Ultimate Fail Forward Challenge.In this final round, you're
about to face a series of obstacles and I'll be setting

(48:12):
you up to fail no matter what you do.
The key is to keep moving forward.
I'll throw you a new failure every time and you need to come
up with better ways to make it work or use it to your
advantage. Oh, is this another improv game?
The more creative you get, the better.
Now you need to gamify your way out of it.
So obstacle 1, you are tasked with building a bridge across a

(48:33):
chasm. The materials you're given?
Broken planks and unstable rope.Is this collaborative?
No, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're competing to 1st answer
1st and then second. Get a better answer, Sean.
I throw the rope across the chasm.
It's unstable rope. Unstable rope.
It's unstable rope. Can I make it across the chasm?

(48:54):
It's unstable rope. Rope's going to snap if you if
you just try to go across with the rope by itself, no?
No, no, no, I'm not done yet. Yeah, throw the rope across the
chasm and then I send somebody over there and then they throw
the rope across the chasm again.So then there's like 2 and then
you tie the planks. Like put the planks on the rope
and then walk across the rope. So they don't.

(49:15):
Reinforce the rope if it's not stable.
Reinforce the broken planks on the unstable rope so that
everything is creaking and snapping, and eventually the
bridge will collapse. All right, Samuel, Your your,
your, your thing. I did not understand this.
I do not understand this reason.A broken rope bridge.
You're tasked with building a bridge across a chasm.
The materials you're given? Broken planks and unstable rope.

(49:38):
How do you make it across? So I take an Uber.
No, no, no. I didn't get across a chasm like
over 50 feet. Well, I fall, I die.
It's like you could probably jump across it if you run really
really fast. So is that what I have to do?

(50:00):
You're tasked with building a. Bridge.
OK, I don't use the ropes or theplanks.
OK, so your solution is in the difference to.
Get materials and I need to sellmine and say hey want some
stable rope and start excellent boards.

(50:20):
You can build a bridge across over 50 feet height with this
and I I guarantee it. Come back and tell me if it
doesn't work. Good luck.
Outsourcing with your already bad stuff, OK.
And with that money, I buy better material.
OK, obstacle 2. You're in a race to save a city,
but every path you take is blocked with debris and

(50:42):
obstacles. You're losing time and energy.
What's your next move? Go around it, it's going to go
faster. Try and go through it.
You can't go over it, you can't go around it.
We got to go through it. Yep.
I say go around it because in the long run sometimes it's like
when I'm trying to use the printer and I realize it's going

(51:04):
to be faster to reset it. Wait, no, can I change my
answer? Sean, what's your answer?
I tell somebody else what's going on.
And. She keeps on this idea about
there being someone else. And then what?
I've told them what they need todo and then they go do it or or
get the entire city, you know, working on it.

(51:26):
A lot of this is situational. Samuel yours yours hinged on
other people being there to to trade your materials with better
materials. Well, that part was a joke.
I was just going to say, get something else.
Sean was saying. I sense I send the person to the
other side of the bridge. I'm like, what person?
The person who was on the other side of the hill to throw a rope

(51:48):
at me this way. And I'm just saying, where's
this other person that you keep talking about coming from?
He needs to take his pills so these people go away.
OK, they're pretty good. These scenarios exist in our
minds. You can create whatever you
want, you just need to get around the failure.
It is a test to see how you guysreact to failure.
Can I just make bogus solutions?They need to be within reason,

(52:11):
OK? And I'm the host.
I'm the arbiter of reason. What's this?
How are we saving the city? You're in a race to save the
city, but every path, every pathyou take is blocked with debris
and obstacles. You're losing time and energy.
What's your next move? It's called Frost Plus Caffeine
Sparkling Pure Aqua. It restores your energy I.

(52:34):
Forgot we're sponsored. Tom, pick yours up.
You know you've got it. You.
Have it? I got lime chips.
That's why you're failing, OK? Samuel what were you going to
say? Little range up says.
Called Batman to help you. Samuel, what do you say?
So I think about those logic games like Freddy Fish and stuff

(52:55):
where everything you have has a purpose and you can be mistaken
about what that purpose is. I think that because I'm at the
rope at the bridge building part, that because I have pieces
of a rope bridge that I'm supposed to use it here.
That's why I say go trade it or something.
That was kind of a joke, but I also kind of meant it.
Just because I have these materials doesn't mean I have
the materials I need. That feeds into the the city

(53:19):
being destroyed and they're being debris and stuff
everywhere. I think you need to become a
master builder and rebuild the city as you go, sort of like
Grommet building the train trackin front of him as he goes as
far as feasibility goes. I mean, that does get

(53:39):
overwhelmed in my life before I try to fix every problem right
in front of me as it comes up. But just like going around, it
might be faster than trying to go through it sometimes.
If I can slow down, I keep saying this, I've been saying
this to the people that I'm training at work.
Slow down. It'll go a lot faster that way.
Yeah, and it seems counterintuitive, but it's not.
It does seem counterintuitive, but the haste makes wasting.

(54:01):
I mean, you get, you hear it so many times, it loses its
efficacy. Slow down.
It'll go much faster that way. And that's what I'm going to
call my game faster. Obstacle 3 I actually have 10
obstacles, but I don't think we're going to go through all
them. I was hoping let's do.
All. Let's do them all.
Your character's health bar is at 1%, but there is a superpower
you can gain. If you finish this dungeon, do

(54:24):
you risk the final battle or retreat to save your life?
Retreat. I'm going to retreat and find a
way to up the health points first.
I would take the time to up the health points so I can really
focus on this battle. Just like I paused to go take my
vitamin and my supplements because I'm like, I'm thinking

(54:46):
about my hair right now. I should go take care of it real
quick. I agree.
I agree with that one. We're treating and seeing if
there's a way to up your health.I go back.
I am Ken of without the power obstacle 4.
You've been asked to deliver a speech in front of a massive
crowd, but right as you start, the microphone cuts out and the

(55:06):
projector fails. How do you continue without your
usual tools? Wait, what were we watching?
You've been asked to deliver a speech like, think a Ted Talk
that involves a PowerPoint presentation in front of a
massive crowd. But right as you start, the
microphone cuts out and the projector fails.
How do you continue without yourusual tools?
Okay, so I've actually had this.I will laugh at the failure, may

(55:31):
make sure everybody's like, okay, ask if everybody is still
chill, are the lights still on? Yeah, lights are still on.
It's mainly a stage problem. Okay, if it's a stage problem,
I'm going to ask for a piece of paper.
I just realized this happened atmy graduation.
I forgot this literally happenedat my graduation.
Oh yeah, you're right. You weren't there, Sean.

(55:53):
No, you weren't continued. I will ask for a piece of paper,
write down some of the notes I need.
I will project the whole way. I'll I'll get really into it.
Start doing the stage movements because people notice that
you're far away because the sound is far away.

(56:13):
I'll ask if everybody's, you know, still chill with it, and I
will describe the pictures that I need for the presentation.
OK so making a mind picture instead of having a projector.
Until until sex support comes back on, sorry.
What? Comes back.
Excuse me? We're not.
It's not that kind of presentation.

(56:34):
OK. Sorry, Samuel, you said that
you've run into this before. I have.
Many times was time for OK, laugh at my voice.
Fine, it is pretty funny becauseI was a little groggy like a
froggy. Groggy like a froggy talking
like a talkie. A swamp living under bubbles,

(56:55):
swimming really hard, trying to make it out, Getting away from
Gators, look away from tailors, jumping from mosquitoes.
Drinking all the beer. Beer.
I have run into this before. So I have to teach school some
mornings to new hot tub and new swimming pool owners.
And what happens is a piece of my presentation material is

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missing because we have slides. I have a computer, I have
something I'm supposed to connect that computer to and a
remote. And if the adapter by forget my
adapter or I can't find a remotethat works, I quickly go, you
know what, screw it, we're doingthis school.
We're not delaying it. I don't have a presentation.

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That's OK, I'm just going to tell them what I know and see
where it goes because I'm not just going to end up talking
about nothing. Sometimes in stand up comedy I
end up realizing, OK, that actually wasn't funny.
I just said stuff. But I tell them what I know and
if really I'm presenting them asa chem expert, they're not going

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to say that's the wrong part of the presentation.
That's not the part where you say that they're coming in this
with fresh eyes, fresh ears. So I just tell them and I I show
them these are the chemicals. This is its first balancing.
What are the reasons you want your wire to be clear?
You want your wire to be comfortable and you want to
protect your investment. You want your wire to be safe.
You don't want to get bacteria clean, clear and comfortable and

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protect your investment. And here's how you're going to
do it. And I just go right into it like
that. It's had to happen so many
times. All right.
So basically there's no way you're going to be talking about
nothing. Be be confident.
Talk about The thing is like, oh, I had a presentation.
I do not like to open with is everybody comfortable?
Because then they start thinkingabout we might be uncomfortable.

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I sometimes you just have to go well, I guess like as soon as I
make a mistake in front of a customer, I just start making
fun of myself. That's been my bit.
I'm like, well, apparently I can't hold things because that
fell on the floor. I just broke the something
something here, let me get you anon broken something something.
And sometimes I actually do say something something.

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Obstacle. 4. 4 No 5 Four was a speech.
I'm halfway there. Obstacle 5.
No, I'm cutting it down. There's only going to be a
couple more. You're in a cooking competition
and the dish you prepared is burning beyond recognition.
There's no time to start over. What do you do?
Samuel said. The word Ding.
This magic word say MIL. It's burnt.

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It is all right. Is that it?
That is actually absolutely true.
I bring out my burnt dish. I trim off the burntness and I
explain what it was. I say, you can even tell from
here what was in here. This is like whenever I leave
home and I realize, Oh no, I'm not wearing the shirt that I

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wanted to wear or Oh no, I didn't bring a gift for the
birthday party. And I just say, you know what?
The party can't go on without mebeing there.
I just have to show up. They're going to be more sad
that I'm not there then they're going to be that.
I didn't bring a gift because the gift was just me bringing
them a little extra. And better to bring not extra
than not anything at all. So the dish, this is the part of

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the presentation, maybe this is the funny part of the
presentation is like, well, it burnt.
Sometimes they will let you passon.
Here's how close it came. And the lesson I learned is
don't go over this amount of time.
If I were to do it again, I would have passed.
I won't win the cooking competition probably, but I will
have learned and I will have taught at the same time.

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Maybe it was a success. Maybe I leave an impression.
OK, so make the burnt food a story.
Take the burnt food a story. Sean.
I was just going to say trim theburnt part off and don't
apologize for it. They may not know that you trim
burnt stuff off. You should probably tell them
that. But be like don't make a big
deal about it. Be like hey I trimmed some burnt

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stuff off if it's a little weirdthat's why and just leave it at
that. Don't be overly apologetic.
Let them judge it for themselves.
So don't apologize. Trim the burnt part off.
In both cases, I think it's important to acknowledge the
burntness. Oh yeah, don't apologize is a
very like it's a broad and difficult statement because I'll

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hear one of my old bosses in my head anytime I want to apologize
to customers saying don't apologize.
Why do I hear you pause? It's like and then other times
he said do apologize. Like go ahead and acknowledge
your mistake and tell them you want to make it right.
Show them how you'll make it right.
I apologize a lot. I just try not to over
apologize. I wouldn't over apologize like

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hey sorry I burnt it, here we go.
Acknowledge it so you don't haveto leave them to go.
You don't see that this happenedand then they have to take this
whole journey, get to it. Say I realize what you see here
is what I was trying to do. OK, final obstacle. 6.

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Yeah, cuz 6 is our favorite, no?No, it's my favorite number.
Your favorite number was 7 or 8.OK, well, this will be a second
to last, all right, so obstacles.
Your favorite numbers are zeros and ones, you dingus.
You know there's gonna be a veryshort episode, right?
Because anyway, you made the theactual game round short and the

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long parts of us doing extra talking were long, and those are
the parts you're going to trim out.
So you've just encountered a major plot twist in your
favorite game, and it seems likeall the progress you've made so
far is useless. How?
Excuse me? That was the burp that was due
from the beginning of this episode.
How do you adjust your strategy to make the most of this new

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unexpected development? Ding.
Samuel. I say, you know what?
The game designer wouldn't do that.
They wouldn't just leave me here.
There was a reason for all that they had me go through.
There were lessons to be learned.
And even though this feels like a mistake, even though this
feels like a major plot point, this isn't real life.

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This is a game. There are no mistakes in the
game. The game designer wanted me to
make something of this. It's not going to be visible to
me right now, but I just need towait and see.
So let me play this out until itcomes to the point where I get
back to my passion project. I mean the part of the game that

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I have already accomplished. It might even mean the sense of
I learned lessons from the earlier parts of the games, and
I hone skills in the sense of I know how to use these controls
and reuse them for something that looks different, like
change. Sean.
All right, so whenever I know it's traumatizing, I know plot

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changes are weird, but whenever you catch yourself in the
despair, like, oh, this is not what I expected.
Nothing I did was meaningful. Remember that you made the same
progress through the game, then then you.
Yeah. You made the same progress, but
your perception about it has changed.

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So if you remember that, you know, if if part of the game is
a failure where you do lose the progress, you've still made it a
percentage of the way through the game.
Basically, it's just the fall back isn't final.
It's it's not what matters. I usually find that does feel
like where you are in the game like it feels like oh, I was

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nearing the end. This isn't the end I have I was
only 30% of the way in and I thought that this was the end
shoot. Now I have all this work to do
thanks for nothing, but then it might be oh, and then there's
this new character pops up. Hey, I got a booster rocket.
Let's go. And it shoots you all the way up
to the castle. And then you're back there and

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you get to go again. That's that's usually the after
the whiff of death scene, like after the character in the movie
dies, then a character like Emmett in the Lego Movie finds
himself at the bottom and he sees the man upstairs.
And then there's this little slide for him to go through and
he's back and he's more powerful.

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And he's right in the middle of the climax that you're like, OK,
I have to take the photo path. I think I would actually try and
synchronize with what the character.
Feels let me finish earlier because I died.
Celeste has a good example of this, where falling down is part
of the story, and in that case it's OK to follow with that

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emotional stuff because that's what it's supposed to be doing.
I think that's OK, you just needto give the rest of the game a
chance. I agree, trust the process.
It's OK to feel downtrodden, youjust need to take the next step
because if you fail at the firstthing that feels bad, then

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you're not going to get the redemption that is so much
sweeter because of the failure. It feels like this.
It's like if you do not allow failure option D, then you have
no chance to learn anything. Or there's no challenge and it's
not a game option A or B. Either way, you get a second

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chance and you get to fail sometimes.
I like the long way around because it feels more like real
life and so it sets more realistic expectations.
You have to be able to fail, andyou have to be able to try
again. That's why nobody picked D or C,
yeah. What was C again?
Punishment puzzles out here, like the best way to ensure a

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positive experience with failure, is abuse.
So, Samuel, do you think the best way for you to teach your
son obedience is to punish him? Or do you think you need to tell
him he failed and put him back in his crate and make him whine
again? Are we talking about people or
dogs right now? I don't have a people son.

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I have a dog, son. That was not expressly
expressed. You know that's true.
Someone listening might think that I have a child in a cage,
in which case I do appreciate your concern, in which case I
do. There are no children here.
In this round, you faced failureafter failure, but each time you

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had the chance to think creatively, adjust, and move
forward. How do you see these failures as
part of the process rather than the end?
What can we learn from these obstacles in our own real world
failures, whether in career, relationships or personal
growth? This is a time for final
statements, whichever one of youDean's first may approach the
bench. Dean career presentation.

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And when you come to the end, when you can't present the way
you thought you would, you have learned that you can always take
another angle. You can always try another way.
And that applies to the rest of those as well.
The rope bridge doesn't work, for instance, relationships.
You'll hit hurdles in the relationship where you're like,

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shoot, I thought we were making so much progress here.
Now we're back at point A, I've lost your trust, or maybe you've
lost my trust or something like that, and you have to build your
way back up to it. But you still have all of your
history to look back on. And every one of those
interactions mattered. All the positive things are

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still there and you just have toit just it's grown up a little
bit and you have to see it a little differently.
I actually learned that caterpillars, because I was
curious about this for a cartoon.
I'm working on whether caterpillars, when they become
butterflies, are a whole nother creature.
And it turns out they have some memory of things that they

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learned while they were a Caterpillar and their
experiences when they were a Caterpillar.
Almost at a molecular level. What's left or the cells and
stuff like that? What's left?
But it's like actually like Doctor Who regenerating gets
butterflies a little bit right because they remember being a
Caterpillar, but they aren't thesame creature anymore.
Did that hit .3? I think that was for .3.

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Personal growth, yeah, that was really good, Sean.
I don't quite understand it, butfailure does not mitigate
success, and victory receives the success that was carried
through defeat. Say that again, failure does not
mitigate success and victory. Victory receives success that
was carried through defeat. Some of this sounds cliche, but

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I have two examples, me and Jesus Christ.
Oh, you're on the same level now.
Yeah, exactly. No, OK, from an example from my
own life is I had a breakup. It sucks and it I still carry
that grief with me. I did learn a lot about myself
and and I did have good times. I truly believe it refined both

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of us. When I finally do get the love
of my life, the relationship I've always wanted in my
marriage, the things I've learned in my relationship
previously will carry over and it will increase the quality of
my marriage exponentially. More than the grief of losing

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the first relationship. The lessons you learned are more
valuable and more eternal than the suffering that happens.
And where I was going with Jesusis like, you know, whether you
believe it or not, the way he went about saving the world was

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exactly this way. It was a failure.
It was absolute failure, total humiliation, pain, degradation
and. Betrayal.
Betrayal. But out of that sprang a reign
of mercy, justice, love, peace, acceptance.

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That is ultimately what I base this off of.
The fact that Jesus did it this way means to me that what is
being produced through the trials is more eternal than the
trials. Except he got to respawn the.
Seed goes into the ground as he dies.

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Okay, so in the vein of a Caterpillar dying and becoming a
butterfly, there was a child once who sketched.
And this isn't the line of failures shaping you.
He sketched a picture of a butterfly, a really little child
like a preschooler sketched a picture of a butterfly and he
showed to his friends. They're like the antenna don't

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look right. Those don't look like real
butterfly wings. OK, He fixed those.
He showed to another child and they're like butterfly wings are
a little more symmetrical than that.
They don't look matchy like theyshould.
So he added it and made it look like that.
He kept showing to them until hehad what looked like an adult's
very realistic drawing of a butterfly.

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Because of each criticism he took to shape it.
Just like we're taking each criticism we can take from our
past relationships to make better and better ones.
Not saying that perfection is achievable in this world, but I
don't focus on perfection. I don't think there's such thing
as perfect, but I think there issuch thing as perfect meaning

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you can do better. All right, are you guys ready?
So a breakdown of Samuel's points.
Samuel in the intro round you got 1.4 breakup bad.
In round one you got 1.4 Rags toRiches title, one point for the
flashback cutscene, and two points for the bomb in your

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newspaper because you were in the Civil War and you didn't
like it. Round 2 you got one point for
Bring It Up as your one great work, one point for eating
paper, three points for Look at It with as much love as you did
before you made it. 2 points forBe Like Disney.
In the quiz you got 15 points. I was originally going to give
10 points to the winner of the quiz, but you got 15 points for

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convincing Sean and me on the right answer actually being
wrong. In round three, you got one
point for trade materials for New Trade the Materials for new
Materials, one point for Turn the Obstacles into your new
path, one point for Slow Down. It'll go much faster that way.
One point for Retreat, 2 points for Good wrapping, one point for
Own Up to It, one point for Makethe Burnt Food a Story, one

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point for Take the Skills Forward, and five points for
Caterpillar. Your total was 41 points.
Sean in the in the intro you gotone point for sleep because he
needed to gain 5 sleep. Round 1 you got one point for
Media exploitation, one point for Embrace the humiliation, 5
points for making a good summary.
In round two you got one point for the title localize, One

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point for grass root not public,one point for carve rectangles
in your eyes, Three points. 3 points for Get it with your
friends Get it with your friend This is the project failure.
Show your project to your friends and stuff.
For the quiz, you got 10 points for getting the correct option,

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but I mean Samuel got more points for convincing us you
that the. Other one was that was the 15
right? Yeah, round three, you got one
point for Call for help, one point for retreat, one point for
don't apologize and trim the burnt part off. 3 points for a
Celeste reference, one point forTrust the Process.
In the final round, you got fivepoints for Failure does not
mitigate success and victory receives the success that was

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carried through defeat. Wait, hang on point.
Did you? How many did you say that one
was? 53 points for the failure
increases the value and five points for Jesus.
In the end, Samuel had 41 pointsand Sean had 44 points.
That was a close, close game, but Sean one shall be hosting

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the next episode, which will be that topic that we brought up
earlier today in this episode. What was that again?
Well, come back next episode forwhen Sean.
Raindrop do you remember what itwas?
Game if I sleep. Game if I sleep.
You caught that? Yeah.
Sleep his sleep schedule. Yeah, yeah.
Game if I counting sheep. Congratulations Sean on winning

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this high stakes episode. I need.
To lose weight we're looking for, we're looking forward to
you hosting the next episode. Come back to gamify this for the
next episode when Sean hosts. Make sure to follow with
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The video is only on Spotify andYouTube, though you can find me

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And thank you guys for watching.And as we always say at the end
of these. Episodes Game Over over.

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We wanted to say it faster, remember?
And as we always say at the end of these episodes, game over.