July 15, 2025 • 38 mins
Hosts Julie and Jake discuss their love for movies, mentioning favorite titles like 'My Fair Lady,' 'Goonies,' and 'Labyrinth.' The conversation shifts to the importance of physical media, prompted by the collapse of Redbox and how it has left many DVD kiosks abandoned. They reflect on the differences between owning movies in physical form and relying on streaming services, emphasizing the potential loss of access to beloved films.
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Oh, Julie, there's so much to watch.
There's so much to watch and people are maybe listening to
podcasts. There's a lot to watch.
Like are you trying to watch people through their windows?
They're yes, it's riveting. Sometimes it's boring, you know,
some of it. I feel like I The problem is you
can't skip the commercials. Just right now, I'm just going
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to say that's illegal. Kids don't do that.
Don't watch people through theirwindows.
Hello, like I want to talk aboutmovies.
OK, you can talk about movies. I love movies.
This is it's just like you're like you're dating at profile I
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love. Movies.
Yeah, right. Alpha lifestyle.
Oh, eat meat. You don't even fish, but you're
posing with a fish in a photo. That's yeah, right, right.
Grind, grind set, grind set. Only use horse tranquilizer
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medicines. Hey, if if anyone's listening
and that sounds like your datingprofile, fix yourself.
Yeah, quite literally. Go get a pair of scissors.
Yeah, don't add to the gene pool.
Thank you very much. Do you have any favorite movies,
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though? Here's the thing, anybody, any,
anytime, someone, I hear someoneask the question, what's your
favorite? Whatever you know, what's your
favorite movie? What's your favorite food?
What's your favorite song? I get frustrated because that's
tough because I doubt there's anybody that's got all favorite
anything. So what I like to ask is what
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are some of your favorite things?
So what are some of your favorite movies?
This is right up there with like, hey, what would be your
last meal situation 'cause you're like, well, I like so
much food, I'm going, you might as well get it all.
You ain't ever eaten again. Which is horrible to say, but
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you know my favorite movies. OK, a couple come to mind.
It's My Fair Lady. OK, Yeah.
With Audrey Hepburn Breakfast atTiffany's with Audrey Hepburn.
That the remake with Jason Statham.
No, but also no. I wanted if they made that, I
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would watch it. Those are kind of the two that's
always been. Oh love, Goonies.
For sure. We grew up watching Goonies.
That was that was our generationof kids.
Also a big fan of Labyrinth. David Bowie and some tight pants
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and spiky hair. Yes Sir, I like it.
Yeah. What about you?
What do you like? Oh, no, I don't.
I don't really watch movies. But I wonder.
No, I guess I could. Like, I'm totally down for
Labyrinth. Any old time.
Yeah, of course, there's a lot of the nostalgic favorites and
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everything, and you like them for the nostalgia reason and
also because they're like, yeah,they're genuinely entertaining.
I I probably have too many to name, but here's a question.
Do you like any movies so much that you own them?
I own The Goonies. I own Breakfast at Tiffany's.
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It seems like you're really having to think about it.
Well, 'cause I don't. OK, we have DVD's somewhere in
the house. Right.
Now it's one of those things like we have a Blu-ray player.
That's the only thing that will play a DVD or ACD in my house.
And so like, whatever I think about what movies I own, I have
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to like go through and think of like, well, what movies did I
purchase online that I can now stream?
But I think a lot of it is, is like you asked, like, hey, which
ones do you own? Those are two like Goonies and
Breakfast at Tiffany's. I know I own the DVD of but I
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like. I don't think I own any other
like movies so to speak. Wow you only own 2 movies?
Yeah, but I don't, I don't use the DVD.
That's the thing. So you bought them before
streaming was as prevalent, right?
Yeah. But you left them.
I I think I brought them back incollege so.
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Yeah. Why did you why do you think you
kept them? Nostalgia, like good memories.
I also watched. So I watched Breakfast at
Tiffany's in French when I was taking my French class in
college. And so like, I was learning
conversational French by watching Breakfast at Tiffany's
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every single night for like. Yeah, I I did something like
that. I think my in high school I took
French and the teacher at some point had us watch Home Alone in
French. And which did we learn anything?
Absolutely not. It's a horrible way to try to
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teach anything because it's going way too quick.
And you're like this Boa, the the pizza, the pizza.
But there's a scene in Home Alone because remember, the
family is going to to France. Yeah.
And they leave Kevin home alone.Oh, no.
And hijinks while they're in France.
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Spoiler alert one who? Has sorry, God, I should wait.
Sorry. While they're in France, there's
a scene where the family is watching like they have the TV
on and It's a Wonderful Life is on and it's in French because
they're in Paris. So this whole movie where all of
these people have been speaking French.
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And then like the gag in the in the film is they go over there
and all the kids are just confused.
They're watching Cary Grant going on and on in in French and
they just look at each other like, what is he even saying?
But you've been watching this movie where everyone's been
speaking in French and then theygo over to France and they hear
a French and they go, huh, It's great.
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Oh, good time, he. Didn't remain the French teacher
for very long. Yeah, a lot of so a lot of times
whenever we watched a movie in school is because teacher was
hungover so. Oh yeah, that's how it.
Is. I mean, I get it.
I'm not going to fault any teacher for for coming to.
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Past. Paint.
So last year, do you remember renting movies?
You remember what that was like?Yeah, it was awesome.
I agree my moment is more tied around like I don't know, did
you do the Netflix thing where you would get DV DS in the mail?
Yes. Me too, it was great, loved it.
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I so I here's the thing with that one.
Because Netflix, whenever it first started out, you could
rent and it would only Sprint one at a time and then you could
upgrade and get like 3 at a timeand you could binge watch
however many DVDs you got in themail that weekend and hopefully
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the DVD wasn't scratched and allthat stuff.
But, and I remember back then oflike, man, we spent so much time
watching all these shows that wegot in the mail and all that
stuff. And then now I'm like, wait a
minute, we need to stream it whenever we want.
Look now. And that's the thing I remember.
Like that's how I watched The Sopranos.
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No, no, no. That's how I watched Lost.
Yeah, I don't want to talk aboutthat.
Yeah, I we've talked about it. We probably need to do like the
side Lost podcast, you know, disappointment parade.
But that's how I watched Lost and it was cool because like
you, you burn through the DV DS you got and then you're like,
oh, now I need to wait. And still.
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So you ended up building the sense of urgency.
You're streaming all the time now.
And you're like, you know, yeah.You're like, oh, wow, I just
spent 14 hours watching something and I, you know, I I'm
that much more dead. Well, like I.
Remember when are you talking about renting movies of back in
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the day going to Blockbuster andit was such an adventure to go
to see like what the new releases were.
And this is back whenever they would do VHS tapes.
And so like you, you get this thing, you're going to take it
home. You, you know, hey, maybe we
picked up pizza like it's it is a on.
Man. Yes, pen is lit and then you get
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home and you go put the VHS and the and the VCR player, all
these things. I'm like, it's still called VCR
player, right? But he's just and and you go to
press play and the person beforeyou didn't rewind it, right?
Are you kidding me? And now you have to wait 2.
Minutes. But you're like, wait, Darth
Vader was Luke's father? What?
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That's where the. The the and you would actually
face a little penalty if you didn't rewind.
It was really interesting that those companies had a punitive
relationship with the customer. I mean be kind, rewind is really
good words to live by. Honestly, I think you could like
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sell some bumper stickers and T-shirts with just that on it
now. I could, because I think it kind
of speaks to a sentiment that goes beyond movies, honestly.
But the punitive relationship wasn't just about no rewind
fees, which was ridiculous because it didn't, it didn't
cost them anything to stick the the tape that you returned that
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wasn't rewound. They put it in a machine that
would high speed rewind it like insanely fast and they pop it
back in the box and it's there for the next customer.
No big deal. But it was punitive and like it
was just a, a kind of a, a way to squeeze the customer a little
bit. But it was so were late fees,
right? The panic that would ensue, and
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this is what's interesting is, like right now, there's a little
bit of sense of urgency about catching the show, about not
getting, you know, spoilers. The sense of urgency and anxiety
back then was we've got to return this thing before they
close or this will cost another $7.00.
Yeah. It wasn't that much, was it?
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I don't know. I not my, not my problem.
Mom and dad, you know. So kind of along the same lines,
my local library system, which shout out to library systems, I
love them. They have whenever you go get
your library card the way that they handle late.
Like if you return something late, you don't get charged a
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fee anymore. But once you have checked out so
much, or if you're like over by so many days, you can't check
out anything else. Until you bring it back, or just
forever. No, until you bring it back.
Oh, OK, well, that makes sense. They've gotten rid of the the
late fees saying because I thinkit was a detriment to families
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definitely and individuals. But now it was one of those
things I was looking at going, oh, that's pretty smart.
Like you can't get something else until you bring back this
thing that you've been keeping for a very long time.
DV DS from the library. Right.
Yeah, but that would be really embarrassing if, like, the
reason you can't use a library anymore is like, oh, I still
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So I, I bring this up because last year you probably saw the
news, but it was just of interest to me and it's
something I wanted to talk aboutwith you here.
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The phenomenon around the red box.
Yeah. So if, if you're not familiar,
the Red Box Company was you've seen them and they're usually
always outside of, they were outside of Acvs or Walgreens or
something like that. Those kiosks, these red kiosks
that you can go and rent DVDs out of.
They'd have a touch screen and alittle vending machine kind of
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thing happening where you get the DVD out of it.
Did you ever use red box like I?I know what you're talking
about. I've seen them but I never used
it. Yeah, I think I did once or
twice. OK.
Yeah, and you know. I have to have a membership.
It was just. I, I think you did had to
register, you know, you could like register on the website or
something like that. I mean, they had to like, I
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don't know, I, I don't really recall.
I mean, I think it would make sense.
Like they want to be able to know who had the movie that they
didn't return, you know? Yeah.
But so that's Red Box, you know,they were kind of like your
kiosk evolution of Blockbuster. Also, do you remember the series
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of books called Chicken Soup forthe Soul?
Yes, do. You ever read any of those?
Nah. No, you're above that.
You're like, no, I got my shit together.
That's for losers. Chicken soup?
What? No.
It's for closers. They had a series of books.
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If you're not familiar with that, that's even older.
The Chicken Soup for the Soul company produced a series of
books called Chicken Soup for the Soul, which were, I guess, I
don't know, you describe them askind of folksy, inspirational
rules to live a healthy life by kind of thing.
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And they made a variety of them.Chicken soup for the cat lover,
Chicken soup for the Knitter. Knitter's Soul Chicken soup for.
I think I got he was like chicken soup for the new
graduate and someone like at high school graduation turned
around and resold, right? You're like, oh, this is this is
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very nice and thoughtful and it's going right in this box.
For anyone that doesn't know what to get a new graduate, give
him money, it's fine. It's.
Sentimental is great, money is better.
That's true, yeah. Early, early lesson that proves
truer and truer. More and more people are saying
it. Yeah.
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So what do these two things havein common?
The chicken soup for the sole company a few years ago bought
Red Box. Really.
Yes, they, they bought Red Box and this is around the time that
you have like 0% interest. So they, you know, took out a
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probably a hefty loan and like, Yep, we're buying this company
and thinking like DVDs are really making it like turning a
corner. You know, now that streaming is
really picking up, we're feelingreally good about where DVDs are
going to go. Smart business people.
Then if, if you get nothing out of this story, everybody, it's
that the people that are important decision makers at
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businesses, they're in that position not be necessarily
because they know what they're doing.
It's like and if take this storyas a as your permission to never
listen to your imposter syndrome, because I you can take
this one as an illustration, or you can look elsewhere in the
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world if you choose to prove that people in charge of things
probably have no idea what they're doing.
And that's just how it is. So chicken soup for this whole
bought red box, 0% interest. The company already had a whole
lot of debt. They bought the debt too with
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like, you know, the understanding like, Yep, we're
going to pay it off and immediately went on, went out of
business. They filed Chapter 11, as many
companies do, doesn't mean you're out of business.
And then shortly after that filed Chapter 7, which is, Oh
yeah, you are actually done. Yeah.
This is like 123 really fast. It was amazing, the chicken Soup
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for the Soul people. The company like just failed to
pay their employees the last fewweeks of their work.
They didn't have the money. There was no money.
They were just like, well, that's it.
Like you like. Soup.
It should have been chicken soupfor the business leader like.
No. Is the chicken soup for for for
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me, gruel for thee? Because that's what it was for
the workforce. They were just like, hey, you
know that last month of work youdid?
Yeah, you probably should have been doing something else.
But word. Right.
It was terrible. So complete bankruptcy, like
actual bankruptcy that meant like, so the, the way the red
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box business worked, these companies, whether it was the
original red box company or Chicken Soup for the Soul,
they're paying money to upkeep these machines.
You know, there's maintenance, they cost a little bit of
electricity to run. You got to keep them stocked.
That's very expensive. You have to actually ship new
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titles all over the place to these machines and get the like
the latest titles in there. But you also had to work out
agreements with businesses like Walgreens or Target or CVS.
Like I got a, we're working out a lease agreement for me to have
my machine outside your business.
I'm paying you a little bit for that.
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So problem was there was no money.
There was nothing like suddenly just like nothing.
So these machines were effectively abandoned.
So across the country, I think at the end of it all, there was
about 5200 machines across the country at the height, there
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were many, many more completely abandoned machines and they
effectively don't belong to anybody.
Technically, they're considered abandoned property.
Still are. Are you about to unveil a red
box machine behind you? Yeah.
Right, right. I'm not.
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But you know, a lot of people could because that's what
exactly what a lot of people did.
They went and they worked out ways like here's and they you
can find the old Reddit threads about it.
People were going, here's exactly how you saw these things
out of the concrete and take it home.
They worked out. Here's exactly how you hack one
of these things open. Here's how you you know, like
fry the door open and get the the precious gooey DVDs out of
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there. But like, who's watching DVDs?
People that love movies, Julie. I can still stream them on my
phone, we're on my computer. And this is this is where I
wanted the conversation to go. You've fallen into my trap,
Julie. Oh.
No, no. Yes, so to me, so like people
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would completely ransacked thesered box machines because you
were, you're not breaking any law apart from like like you
didn't want to get caught breaking them open because hey,
you might get electrocuted and all the other stuff and
Walgreens is like we'd be liablefor you getting hurt.
Don't do that. But it's not anybody's property.
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You're not stealing it. It's just there kind of bizarre,
right? The I for me, it speaks to kind
of the importance of physical media because there was a time
one of my favorite shows that I've, I've like watched the
entirety of more than once. Community comedy with, oh heck,
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a lot of good people in it. Hilarious Joe, it's Dan Harmon.
It's a Dan Harmon show, so it's hilarious.
You used to just dial it up and watch it.
Now you got to rent it. And if I had had like the box
set DV DS of these things, I'd never have to worry about it.
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I wouldn't have to like figure out where the hell is it
streaming now. Wait, wait, are you?
Let's talk about this. Are you worried about how you're
going to watch Community? Yes.
Jake, that's a good life to haveif that's what you're worried
about. That's right.
No, but it like about if it's not on a like physical media
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like a DVD or VHS player, it's far more precarious if it's
strictly digital. If you're just streaming it, it
could be yanked down from any streaming platform at any point
for any reason. It could be paywalled further.
You have to pay for the streaming service and now you
have to pay to get the title. I mean if you bought it off of
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like say Prime, you own it as a streaming option.
You have you read the fine print?
No. Who reads the fine print?
And they don't want like no and everybody know, but legally they
have to say, but there there's some asterisks here, like you
own this until and if these things and like legally they
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have to tell you that. And they did.
But they did it in the least accessible way possible.
It would also be like one of those things, hey, I bought the
DVD set and then my house burneddown.
I still own the DVD, but you can't watch it anymore because
it's. Maybe that's a a similarity I
guess, but. You're out the money.
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But no, it's that is so some other recent news.
There was a movie called Coyote versus Acme as an example.
If you're familiar with the old like Warner's brothers cartoons,
it was supposed to be that it was like this big sweeping kind
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of Who Framed Roger Rabbit type of mash up of live action and
and cartoon, I believe. But completed movie had a lot of
big name performers attached to it.
Completed script, completed production and the studio that
was producing it at the last minute said it it makes more
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money sense for us to just say to write this thing off and it
never see the light of day. And we treat the whole thing as
a tax credit as opposed to releasing it.
If we release it, we got that activates all sorts of residuals
and other things that we have to, you know, we're obligated to
pay. So it's never going to see the
light of day. Now, that's not the same thing
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as saying whether you've got a piece of physical media or not.
But it is speaking to kind of like how media has changed to
the point that if you don't like, have a copy of the thing
in your hands, there's no guarantee that you'll ever have
access to it again. There's really not.
At some point, somebody's going to get tired of paying residuals
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to the cast of friends and if you want to watch it, you'll
have to rent it. And they're like, like, who
cares? I get that.
But like that, that dynamic scaled out across a catalog of
stuff that's. And it is a different form of
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relationship, you know, between the the, the business and the
consumer, kind of like what we were talking about with
Blockbuster kind of being punitive with rewind fees and
late fees here. It's like kind of like pull,
pulling back the potential, likeyour ability to own the things
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you enjoy, you can own potentialaccess to them.
Yeah. But like, what you pay for that
access over time gets you less and less.
So like when those folks are like raiding the red box
machines, I don't know that theydid.
So with like as a as a prescientmove as to, you know, where, you
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know, accessibility is going right now.
I think they were more like, oh,hell yeah, free stuff, which,
yeah, man. Well, yeah, like Mad Max, this
thing for sure. But that is they got their mitts
on it and it's theirs. So that's where hell, you know,
you go to these garage sales andalmost without fail, there's
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stacks of DV DS, maybe VHS tapes, maybe don't don't just
gloss over and like you tend to do.
I know I'm I do that all the time, like, Oh yeah.
But if there are some things in there you like, I actually enjoy
this and I'd watch this more than once.
Stop, check, make sure it's in good shape, and consider paying
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just like, you know, pennies on the dollar for the thing because
you've got it and you'll never have to buy it again.
Whereas if you wanted to watch Goonies a few times, you might
not have to pay for it now. You probably will at some point.
Well, but here's the thing, likeI get what you're saying, but
then let's say someone buys AVHStape and then that tape is all
screwed up. You can't watch.
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I also I don't have AVHS player anymore.
Right, right. I forgot that we even had a
Blu-ray until I was dusting yesterday and I dusted the
Blu-ray at this and I don't evenknow where our DV DS are.
Like I know we. But I ended up selling quite a
few of them to have Price books whenever we moved and I don't
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know where they're at anymore. It, I find it really
interesting, is like, I don't know, do you feel like whether
you've got an actual copy of a piece of art or just access to
viewing it, does that change your relationship to the part in
some? Way really deep, Jake.
Well, OK, so I buy artwork and I, I love looking at it and
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studying it. And it's one of those things
that I think with the medium of TV shows and movies, someone is
spoon feeding me the art of how I should like how the actors are
portrayed, how certain things are said.
Whenever it is artwork, I get todecipher the story behind it.
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Yeah, you're a little more, you have a little more agency in how
you consume the art. You're able to pause it, you're
able to do things with it that maybe you aren't as able to in
streaming. And also like, hey, like the
intent of the art changes a little bit when it you're just
streaming it because now there'slikely commercial breaks or it's
been altered in some way to accommodate that platform, you
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know, and like how they broadcast their stuff.
So in a way you don't have like you actually can't watch the
Goonies unless you're watching it in its original intent with
the original, like, you know, screen size, the original color
treatment. Like if you've got it on
physical media, you're actually watching it from a, from an
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actual like, you know, art nerd,film nerd perspective.
If you're only watching it on streaming, you're watching a
version of it, you know what I'msaying?
But I I mean, but also like how many people in our society are
the art and the urge for movies can't be like, like for me, I
don't care. Like I just wanted to watch.
I'm, I'm here to listen to the story.
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I'm not there to appreciate the camera angle.
Or is there a? Difference.
But is there a difference? I mean like, like, you know,
like the art is comprised of allof these things working in
concert and you change the, the color palette, you've changed
the art. Yeah, but I'm not changing the
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color palette. Like I'm still watching it.
And part of this too is I can have Goonies on the background
and I know the whole story without watching it, without
knowing who's doing what. In my head, I know exactly which
actor is doing something at thattime.
Don't. Now whenever you're like,
whenever that movie gets introduced to someone who has
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never seen it before, then they probably have a different
appreciation for it. For example, I introduce
Labyrinth to my husband. Wow, he's never seen it.
He never saw it. So my husband's 10 years older
than me, so we have different pop culture references in our
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household. So his pop culture references
don't resonate with me. And mine was so good, but they
don't resonate with him. And he watched Labyrinth one
night and I turned to him and I said, So what do you think?
And he looked at me and he goes.That explains a lot.
Yeah, yeah. So I you know, it's your point
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of if something is going to experience it for the first
time, like is streaming it better or worse than the
original medium? But also David Bowie in tight
pants. You can't go wrong.
I don't, I don't know whether better or worse.
I just, like, want to acknowledge that it's different.
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Yeah. And, you know, like, you're
essentially paying for the movietwice because you got to buy the
streaming now. You got to buy the movie and all
the other junk. But did you know that they
actually like, we're consideringMichael Jackson for that role
before, like going with David Bowie?
No. Yeah.
I don't know David Bowie. Just he is the Goblin King.
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Oh, for. Sure, yeah, it would have been a
totally different movie. And in retrospect, like when you
can't ever, like no one can everwatch, you know, if it were
Michael Michael Jackson. But.
Well, it like David Bowie just gives off a different presence
than what I would picture. Like I'm like, in my mind, I'm
picturing Michael Jackson and The Wiz, and I'm like, well,
that's not really Goblin King. Yeah, I was, I was looking when
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I was thinking about this topic and I went, yeah.
So anyway, you think about your,your relationship to, you know,
a a pretty important part of, ofmodern culture.
You know how your relationship has changed to meet movies over
time. And I thought like, what are
some, what are some formative like theater memories and
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experiences you've got? Because they say that, hey,
theater is slowly dying. It'll be gone in 20 years.
I don't know, man. But it got me thinking, hey,
what are some what's a theater going experience that comes to
mind? And I wondered if you had one.
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I have several. Oh no.
Well, what's one that you can actually share in polite
company? Well, OK, I mean, I can share
all of them. They're fine.
Boring. Well, like, OK, so the first
example, like I mentioned, I love My Fair Lady is the movie.
I went to go see it on Broadway whenever they brought it to
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Broadway, the Broadway play, it's it's the same as the movie.
So I wish I had just watched themovie again, like, well, the
movie, it would been in the comfort of my own home.
And yeah, anyway, and I think there was some, it's easier,
especially to take a story that people are already familiar with
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to the stage, like the horse races don't come across as well
as they did in the the other example that I had was watching
the Book of Mormon at the theater.
And so Book of Mormon was created by the creators of South
Park. It is.
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Highly inappropriate. And super funny, very catchy
tunes. But to be able to like, laugh at
yourself and then realize like you're laughing at what's
happening in the play. And at the same time you're
like, Oh my God, I'm going to goto hell because I laughed at
that. But one else around you is
laughing too. So there's something to the the
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theater going experience with everyone else around you who is
also in on the gag. Yeah, the communal aspect of.
It you're like, oh, good, like we are going to hell.
But at least it's a good hang, you know?
Yeah, yeah. And then?
Then you go watch stuff. Like I walked out of The Lion
King Theater, the the Broadway show because there's a lot of
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kids there and parents did not teach their kids theater
etiquette and so it was just a sing along and I didn't need a
three hour sing along. Now I will say.
Whenever I went to see Hamilton,that was a good sing along.
But yeah, I. Theater memory for me, I went do
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you do you know the movie? And I wonder if listeners know
the movie Event Horizon I. I never saw the movie because
you went to go watch it and you got so grossed out that I was
like, I'm not going to see that.Yeah.
So that's essentially. What this story is, if you're
familiar with the movie Event Horizon, you know, it's, it's a
rough ride, man. If you're not, you know, so I
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remember seeing the previews forit and the previews, I don't
know if I just like didn't pay close enough attention or if I
kind of shielded myself from thepreviews kind of going.
I don't want to ruin anything because all I I went into the
movie fully expecting just a cool sci-fi show, this science
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fiction thing with Laurence Fishburne and Sam Neill.
All right, this is going to be so cool.
Spaceships, lasers, you know, it's not that.
It's very. Very not.
That it's not that it's horrible.
Yeah. So it's, it's a much more
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visceral experience than our I It happens pretty suddenly.
And once it starts happening in the run of the show, it kind of
continues from that point onwards.
So I'm in the theater for a good, you know, half an hour
into the show and then it's liketakes this horrible turn and the
kid next to me at some point I'mlike, I'm, I'm trying.
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I'm literally like, I didn't want to get up and leave because
Oh no, only chickens do that. And so I'm like just looking at
the corner of the screen like itand trying to just not hear all
the horrible things that are happening.
And I, I, as part of my effort to not look at the screen, I
look at the kid next to me and he is literally like doing the
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thing where he's looking throughthe cracks in his fingers.
He's got his fingers over his eyes and he's like just looking
through the cracks. And I'm like, this is horrible.
So. To hell with theaters like.
They need to be over with right now.
Hold on, you asked this questionand.
I thought you were talking abouttheater like TEATRE, but you're
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in theater. I was going like you're doing.
Nothing but Broadway. How fancy are you?
Like like how expensive is the mustard in your fridge?
Oh man, I. Have all the expensive mustard I
have. Course, I have Dijon.
I have yellow. I have all of them.
No, I was talking movie. Theaters like you're over there,
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like spilling the tea about whathappened at Beetlejuice.
I'm just talking about, like, popcorn movie theaters.
Yeah, I'm talking about culture.Yeah, well.
Oh, so how many art nerds are there, Julie?
At least two, But that's what I wanted to bring up.
Redbox is dead. It's been dead for a while.
It has this weird little final chapter.
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If you see some DV DS at, you know, a second hand situation,
you know, give us some thought because those things are going
to continue to kind of like deepbe depopulated in the world and
access to those things is going to be going to maybe more like
look more weird in the future. So if you've got the physical
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media, you know, you're kind of in safer space as far as that
goes. That's what I that's what I had.
Thanks for playing well and also.
Remind people to make sure you keep the things that can play
the DVDs, because those are awesome.
Hard to come by, right? But.
So yeah, no, that's that's that's what I had.
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But so the the marching order here is everybody to go and
enjoy David Bowie as the Goblin King in Labyrinth.
Do it. Do it.
Good episode, Jake. Appreciate it.
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Oh, Julie, there's so much to watch.
There's so much to watch and people are maybe listening to
podcasts. There's a lot to watch.
Like are you trying to watch people through their windows?
They're yes, it's riveting. Sometimes it's boring, you know,
some of it. I feel like I The problem is you
can't skip the commercials. Just right now, I'm just going
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to say that's illegal. Kids don't do that.
Don't watch people through theirwindows.
Hello, like I want to talk aboutmovies.
OK, you can talk about movies. I love movies.
This is it's just like you're like you're dating at profile I
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love. Movies.
Yeah, right. Alpha lifestyle.
Oh, eat meat. You don't even fish, but you're
posing with a fish in a photo. That's yeah, right, right.
Grind, grind set, grind set. Only use horse tranquilizer
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medicines. Hey, if if anyone's listening
and that sounds like your datingprofile, fix yourself.
Yeah, quite literally. Go get a pair of scissors.
Yeah, don't add to the gene pool.
Thank you very much. Do you have any favorite movies,
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though? Here's the thing, anybody, any,
anytime, someone, I hear someoneask the question, what's your
favorite? Whatever you know, what's your
favorite movie? What's your favorite food?
What's your favorite song? I get frustrated because that's
tough because I doubt there's anybody that's got all favorite
anything. So what I like to ask is what
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are some of your favorite things?
So what are some of your favorite movies?
This is right up there with like, hey, what would be your
last meal situation 'cause you're like, well, I like so
much food, I'm going, you might as well get it all.
You ain't ever eaten again. Which is horrible to say, but
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you know my favorite movies. OK, a couple come to mind.
It's My Fair Lady. OK, Yeah.
With Audrey Hepburn Breakfast atTiffany's with Audrey Hepburn.
That the remake with Jason Statham.
No, but also no. I wanted if they made that, I
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would watch it. Those are kind of the two that's
always been. Oh love, Goonies.
For sure. We grew up watching Goonies.
That was that was our generationof kids.
Also a big fan of Labyrinth. David Bowie and some tight pants
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and spiky hair. Yes Sir, I like it.
Yeah. What about you?
What do you like? Oh, no, I don't.
I don't really watch movies. But I wonder.
No, I guess I could. Like, I'm totally down for
Labyrinth. Any old time.
Yeah, of course, there's a lot of the nostalgic favorites and
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everything, and you like them for the nostalgia reason and
also because they're like, yeah,they're genuinely entertaining.
I I probably have too many to name, but here's a question.
Do you like any movies so much that you own them?
I own The Goonies. I own Breakfast at Tiffany's.
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It seems like you're really having to think about it.
Well, 'cause I don't. OK, we have DVD's somewhere in
the house. Right.
Now it's one of those things like we have a Blu-ray player.
That's the only thing that will play a DVD or ACD in my house.
And so like, whatever I think about what movies I own, I have
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to like go through and think of like, well, what movies did I
purchase online that I can now stream?
But I think a lot of it is, is like you asked, like, hey, which
ones do you own? Those are two like Goonies and
Breakfast at Tiffany's. I know I own the DVD of but I
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like. I don't think I own any other
like movies so to speak. Wow you only own 2 movies?
Yeah, but I don't, I don't use the DVD.
That's the thing. So you bought them before
streaming was as prevalent, right?
Yeah. But you left them.
I I think I brought them back incollege so.
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Yeah. Why did you why do you think you
kept them? Nostalgia, like good memories.
I also watched. So I watched Breakfast at
Tiffany's in French when I was taking my French class in
college. And so like, I was learning
conversational French by watching Breakfast at Tiffany's
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every single night for like. Yeah, I I did something like
that. I think my in high school I took
French and the teacher at some point had us watch Home Alone in
French. And which did we learn anything?
Absolutely not. It's a horrible way to try to
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teach anything because it's going way too quick.
And you're like this Boa, the the pizza, the pizza.
But there's a scene in Home Alone because remember, the
family is going to to France. Yeah.
And they leave Kevin home alone.Oh, no.
And hijinks while they're in France.
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Spoiler alert one who? Has sorry, God, I should wait.
Sorry. While they're in France, there's
a scene where the family is watching like they have the TV
on and It's a Wonderful Life is on and it's in French because
they're in Paris. So this whole movie where all of
these people have been speaking French.
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And then like the gag in the in the film is they go over there
and all the kids are just confused.
They're watching Cary Grant going on and on in in French and
they just look at each other like, what is he even saying?
But you've been watching this movie where everyone's been
speaking in French and then theygo over to France and they hear
a French and they go, huh, It's great.
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Oh, good time, he. Didn't remain the French teacher
for very long. Yeah, a lot of so a lot of times
whenever we watched a movie in school is because teacher was
hungover so. Oh yeah, that's how it.
Is. I mean, I get it.
I'm not going to fault any teacher for for coming to.
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Past. Paint.
So last year, do you remember renting movies?
You remember what that was like?Yeah, it was awesome.
I agree my moment is more tied around like I don't know, did
you do the Netflix thing where you would get DV DS in the mail?
Yes. Me too, it was great, loved it.
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I so I here's the thing with that one.
Because Netflix, whenever it first started out, you could
rent and it would only Sprint one at a time and then you could
upgrade and get like 3 at a timeand you could binge watch
however many DVDs you got in themail that weekend and hopefully
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the DVD wasn't scratched and allthat stuff.
But, and I remember back then oflike, man, we spent so much time
watching all these shows that wegot in the mail and all that
stuff. And then now I'm like, wait a
minute, we need to stream it whenever we want.
Look now. And that's the thing I remember.
Like that's how I watched The Sopranos.
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No, no, no. That's how I watched Lost.
Yeah, I don't want to talk aboutthat.
Yeah, I we've talked about it. We probably need to do like the
side Lost podcast, you know, disappointment parade.
But that's how I watched Lost and it was cool because like
you, you burn through the DV DS you got and then you're like,
oh, now I need to wait. And still.
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So you ended up building the sense of urgency.
You're streaming all the time now.
And you're like, you know, yeah.You're like, oh, wow, I just
spent 14 hours watching something and I, you know, I I'm
that much more dead. Well, like I.
Remember when are you talking about renting movies of back in
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the day going to Blockbuster andit was such an adventure to go
to see like what the new releases were.
And this is back whenever they would do VHS tapes.
And so like you, you get this thing, you're going to take it
home. You, you know, hey, maybe we
picked up pizza like it's it is a on.
Man. Yes, pen is lit and then you get
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home and you go put the VHS and the and the VCR player, all
these things. I'm like, it's still called VCR
player, right? But he's just and and you go to
press play and the person beforeyou didn't rewind it, right?
Are you kidding me? And now you have to wait 2.
Minutes. But you're like, wait, Darth
Vader was Luke's father? What?
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That's where the. The the and you would actually
face a little penalty if you didn't rewind.
It was really interesting that those companies had a punitive
relationship with the customer. I mean be kind, rewind is really
good words to live by. Honestly, I think you could like
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sell some bumper stickers and T-shirts with just that on it
now. I could, because I think it kind
of speaks to a sentiment that goes beyond movies, honestly.
But the punitive relationship wasn't just about no rewind
fees, which was ridiculous because it didn't, it didn't
cost them anything to stick the the tape that you returned that
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wasn't rewound. They put it in a machine that
would high speed rewind it like insanely fast and they pop it
back in the box and it's there for the next customer.
No big deal. But it was punitive and like it
was just a, a kind of a, a way to squeeze the customer a little
bit. But it was so were late fees,
right? The panic that would ensue, and
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this is what's interesting is, like right now, there's a little
bit of sense of urgency about catching the show, about not
getting, you know, spoilers. The sense of urgency and anxiety
back then was we've got to return this thing before they
close or this will cost another $7.00.
Yeah. It wasn't that much, was it?
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I don't know. I not my, not my problem.
Mom and dad, you know. So kind of along the same lines,
my local library system, which shout out to library systems, I
love them. They have whenever you go get
your library card the way that they handle late.
Like if you return something late, you don't get charged a
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fee anymore. But once you have checked out so
much, or if you're like over by so many days, you can't check
out anything else. Until you bring it back, or just
forever. No, until you bring it back.
Oh, OK, well, that makes sense. They've gotten rid of the the
late fees saying because I thinkit was a detriment to families
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definitely and individuals. But now it was one of those
things I was looking at going, oh, that's pretty smart.
Like you can't get something else until you bring back this
thing that you've been keeping for a very long time.
DV DS from the library. Right.
Yeah, but that would be really embarrassing if, like, the
reason you can't use a library anymore is like, oh, I still
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have a copy of Ernest Goes to Jail.
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So I, I bring this up because last year you probably saw the
news, but it was just of interest to me and it's
something I wanted to talk aboutwith you here.
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The phenomenon around the red box.
Yeah. So if, if you're not familiar,
the Red Box Company was you've seen them and they're usually
always outside of, they were outside of Acvs or Walgreens or
something like that. Those kiosks, these red kiosks
that you can go and rent DVDs out of.
They'd have a touch screen and alittle vending machine kind of
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thing happening where you get the DVD out of it.
Did you ever use red box like I?I know what you're talking
about. I've seen them but I never used
it. Yeah, I think I did once or
twice. OK.
Yeah, and you know. I have to have a membership.
It was just. I, I think you did had to
register, you know, you could like register on the website or
something like that. I mean, they had to like, I
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don't know, I, I don't really recall.
I mean, I think it would make sense.
Like they want to be able to know who had the movie that they
didn't return, you know? Yeah.
But so that's Red Box, you know,they were kind of like your
kiosk evolution of Blockbuster. Also, do you remember the series
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of books called Chicken Soup forthe Soul?
Yes, do. You ever read any of those?
Nah. No, you're above that.
You're like, no, I got my shit together.
That's for losers. Chicken soup?
What? No.
It's for closers. They had a series of books.
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If you're not familiar with that, that's even older.
The Chicken Soup for the Soul company produced a series of
books called Chicken Soup for the Soul, which were, I guess, I
don't know, you describe them askind of folksy, inspirational
rules to live a healthy life by kind of thing.
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And they made a variety of them.Chicken soup for the cat lover,
Chicken soup for the Knitter. Knitter's Soul Chicken soup for.
I think I got he was like chicken soup for the new
graduate and someone like at high school graduation turned
around and resold, right? You're like, oh, this is this is
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very nice and thoughtful and it's going right in this box.
For anyone that doesn't know what to get a new graduate, give
him money, it's fine. It's.
Sentimental is great, money is better.
That's true, yeah. Early, early lesson that proves
truer and truer. More and more people are saying
it. Yeah.
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So what do these two things havein common?
The chicken soup for the sole company a few years ago bought
Red Box. Really.
Yes, they, they bought Red Box and this is around the time that
you have like 0% interest. So they, you know, took out a
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probably a hefty loan and like, Yep, we're buying this company
and thinking like DVDs are really making it like turning a
corner. You know, now that streaming is
really picking up, we're feelingreally good about where DVDs are
going to go. Smart business people.
Then if, if you get nothing out of this story, everybody, it's
that the people that are important decision makers at
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businesses, they're in that position not be necessarily
because they know what they're doing.
It's like and if take this storyas a as your permission to never
listen to your imposter syndrome, because I you can take
this one as an illustration, or you can look elsewhere in the
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world if you choose to prove that people in charge of things
probably have no idea what they're doing.
And that's just how it is. So chicken soup for this whole
bought red box, 0% interest. The company already had a whole
lot of debt. They bought the debt too with
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like, you know, the understanding like, Yep, we're
going to pay it off and immediately went on, went out of
business. They filed Chapter 11, as many
companies do, doesn't mean you're out of business.
And then shortly after that filed Chapter 7, which is, Oh
yeah, you are actually done. Yeah.
This is like 123 really fast. It was amazing, the chicken Soup
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for the Soul people. The company like just failed to
pay their employees the last fewweeks of their work.
They didn't have the money. There was no money.
They were just like, well, that's it.
Like you like. Soup.
It should have been chicken soupfor the business leader like.
No. Is the chicken soup for for for
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me, gruel for thee? Because that's what it was for
the workforce. They were just like, hey, you
know that last month of work youdid?
Yeah, you probably should have been doing something else.
But word. Right.
It was terrible. So complete bankruptcy, like
actual bankruptcy that meant like, so the, the way the red
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box business worked, these companies, whether it was the
original red box company or Chicken Soup for the Soul,
they're paying money to upkeep these machines.
You know, there's maintenance, they cost a little bit of
electricity to run. You got to keep them stocked.
That's very expensive. You have to actually ship new
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titles all over the place to these machines and get the like
the latest titles in there. But you also had to work out
agreements with businesses like Walgreens or Target or CVS.
Like I got a, we're working out a lease agreement for me to have
my machine outside your business.
I'm paying you a little bit for that.
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So problem was there was no money.
There was nothing like suddenly just like nothing.
So these machines were effectively abandoned.
So across the country, I think at the end of it all, there was
about 5200 machines across the country at the height, there
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were many, many more completely abandoned machines and they
effectively don't belong to anybody.
Technically, they're considered abandoned property.
Still are. Are you about to unveil a red
box machine behind you? Yeah.
Right, right. I'm not.
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But you know, a lot of people could because that's what
exactly what a lot of people did.
They went and they worked out ways like here's and they you
can find the old Reddit threads about it.
People were going, here's exactly how you saw these things
out of the concrete and take it home.
They worked out. Here's exactly how you hack one
of these things open. Here's how you you know, like
fry the door open and get the the precious gooey DVDs out of
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there. But like, who's watching DVDs?
People that love movies, Julie. I can still stream them on my
phone, we're on my computer. And this is this is where I
wanted the conversation to go. You've fallen into my trap,
Julie. Oh.
No, no. Yes, so to me, so like people
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would completely ransacked thesered box machines because you
were, you're not breaking any law apart from like like you
didn't want to get caught breaking them open because hey,
you might get electrocuted and all the other stuff and
Walgreens is like we'd be liablefor you getting hurt.
Don't do that. But it's not anybody's property.
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You're not stealing it. It's just there kind of bizarre,
right? The I for me, it speaks to kind
of the importance of physical media because there was a time
one of my favorite shows that I've, I've like watched the
entirety of more than once. Community comedy with, oh heck,
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a lot of good people in it. Hilarious Joe, it's Dan Harmon.
It's a Dan Harmon show, so it's hilarious.
You used to just dial it up and watch it.
Now you got to rent it. And if I had had like the box
set DV DS of these things, I'd never have to worry about it.
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I wouldn't have to like figure out where the hell is it
streaming now. Wait, wait, are you?
Let's talk about this. Are you worried about how you're
going to watch Community? Yes.
Jake, that's a good life to haveif that's what you're worried
about. That's right.
No, but it like about if it's not on a like physical media
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like a DVD or VHS player, it's far more precarious if it's
strictly digital. If you're just streaming it, it
could be yanked down from any streaming platform at any point
for any reason. It could be paywalled further.
You have to pay for the streaming service and now you
have to pay to get the title. I mean if you bought it off of
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like say Prime, you own it as a streaming option.
You have you read the fine print?
No. Who reads the fine print?
And they don't want like no and everybody know, but legally they
have to say, but there there's some asterisks here, like you
own this until and if these things and like legally they
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have to tell you that. And they did.
But they did it in the least accessible way possible.
It would also be like one of those things, hey, I bought the
DVD set and then my house burneddown.
I still own the DVD, but you can't watch it anymore because
it's. Maybe that's a a similarity I
guess, but. You're out the money.
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But no, it's that is so some other recent news.
There was a movie called Coyote versus Acme as an example.
If you're familiar with the old like Warner's brothers cartoons,
it was supposed to be that it was like this big sweeping kind
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of Who Framed Roger Rabbit type of mash up of live action and
and cartoon, I believe. But completed movie had a lot of
big name performers attached to it.
Completed script, completed production and the studio that
was producing it at the last minute said it it makes more
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money sense for us to just say to write this thing off and it
never see the light of day. And we treat the whole thing as
a tax credit as opposed to releasing it.
If we release it, we got that activates all sorts of residuals
and other things that we have to, you know, we're obligated to
pay. So it's never going to see the
light of day. Now, that's not the same thing
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as saying whether you've got a piece of physical media or not.
But it is speaking to kind of like how media has changed to
the point that if you don't like, have a copy of the thing
in your hands, there's no guarantee that you'll ever have
access to it again. There's really not.
At some point, somebody's going to get tired of paying residuals
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to the cast of friends and if you want to watch it, you'll
have to rent it. And they're like, like, who
cares? I get that.
But like that, that dynamic scaled out across a catalog of
stuff that's. And it is a different form of
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relationship, you know, between the the, the business and the
consumer, kind of like what we were talking about with
Blockbuster kind of being punitive with rewind fees and
late fees here. It's like kind of like pull,
pulling back the potential, likeyour ability to own the things
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you enjoy, you can own potentialaccess to them.
Yeah. But like, what you pay for that
access over time gets you less and less.
So like when those folks are like raiding the red box
machines, I don't know that theydid.
So with like as a as a prescientmove as to, you know, where, you
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know, accessibility is going right now.
I think they were more like, oh,hell yeah, free stuff, which,
yeah, man. Well, yeah, like Mad Max, this
thing for sure. But that is they got their mitts
on it and it's theirs. So that's where hell, you know,
you go to these garage sales andalmost without fail, there's
(26:22):
stacks of DV DS, maybe VHS tapes, maybe don't don't just
gloss over and like you tend to do.
I know I'm I do that all the time, like, Oh yeah.
But if there are some things in there you like, I actually enjoy
this and I'd watch this more than once.
Stop, check, make sure it's in good shape, and consider paying
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just like, you know, pennies on the dollar for the thing because
you've got it and you'll never have to buy it again.
Whereas if you wanted to watch Goonies a few times, you might
not have to pay for it now. You probably will at some point.
Well, but here's the thing, likeI get what you're saying, but
then let's say someone buys AVHStape and then that tape is all
screwed up. You can't watch.
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I also I don't have AVHS player anymore.
Right, right. I forgot that we even had a
Blu-ray until I was dusting yesterday and I dusted the
Blu-ray at this and I don't evenknow where our DV DS are.
Like I know we. But I ended up selling quite a
few of them to have Price books whenever we moved and I don't
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know where they're at anymore. It, I find it really
interesting, is like, I don't know, do you feel like whether
you've got an actual copy of a piece of art or just access to
viewing it, does that change your relationship to the part in
some? Way really deep, Jake.
Well, OK, so I buy artwork and I, I love looking at it and
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studying it. And it's one of those things
that I think with the medium of TV shows and movies, someone is
spoon feeding me the art of how I should like how the actors are
portrayed, how certain things are said.
Whenever it is artwork, I get todecipher the story behind it.
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Yeah, you're a little more, you have a little more agency in how
you consume the art. You're able to pause it, you're
able to do things with it that maybe you aren't as able to in
streaming. And also like, hey, like the
intent of the art changes a little bit when it you're just
streaming it because now there'slikely commercial breaks or it's
been altered in some way to accommodate that platform, you
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know, and like how they broadcast their stuff.
So in a way you don't have like you actually can't watch the
Goonies unless you're watching it in its original intent with
the original, like, you know, screen size, the original color
treatment. Like if you've got it on
physical media, you're actually watching it from a, from an
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actual like, you know, art nerd,film nerd perspective.
If you're only watching it on streaming, you're watching a
version of it, you know what I'msaying?
But I I mean, but also like how many people in our society are
the art and the urge for movies can't be like, like for me, I
don't care. Like I just wanted to watch.
I'm, I'm here to listen to the story.
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I'm not there to appreciate the camera angle.
Or is there a? Difference.
But is there a difference? I mean like, like, you know,
like the art is comprised of allof these things working in
concert and you change the, the color palette, you've changed
the art. Yeah, but I'm not changing the
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color palette. Like I'm still watching it.
And part of this too is I can have Goonies on the background
and I know the whole story without watching it, without
knowing who's doing what. In my head, I know exactly which
actor is doing something at thattime.
Don't. Now whenever you're like,
whenever that movie gets introduced to someone who has
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never seen it before, then they probably have a different
appreciation for it. For example, I introduce
Labyrinth to my husband. Wow, he's never seen it.
He never saw it. So my husband's 10 years older
than me, so we have different pop culture references in our
(30:30):
household. So his pop culture references
don't resonate with me. And mine was so good, but they
don't resonate with him. And he watched Labyrinth one
night and I turned to him and I said, So what do you think?
And he looked at me and he goes.That explains a lot.
Yeah, yeah. So I you know, it's your point
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of if something is going to experience it for the first
time, like is streaming it better or worse than the
original medium? But also David Bowie in tight
pants. You can't go wrong.
I don't, I don't know whether better or worse.
I just, like, want to acknowledge that it's different.
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Yeah. And, you know, like, you're
essentially paying for the movietwice because you got to buy the
streaming now. You got to buy the movie and all
the other junk. But did you know that they
actually like, we're consideringMichael Jackson for that role
before, like going with David Bowie?
No. Yeah.
I don't know David Bowie. Just he is the Goblin King.
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Oh, for. Sure, yeah, it would have been a
totally different movie. And in retrospect, like when you
can't ever, like no one can everwatch, you know, if it were
Michael Michael Jackson. But.
Well, it like David Bowie just gives off a different presence
than what I would picture. Like I'm like, in my mind, I'm
picturing Michael Jackson and The Wiz, and I'm like, well,
that's not really Goblin King. Yeah, I was, I was looking when
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I was thinking about this topic and I went, yeah.
So anyway, you think about your,your relationship to, you know,
a a pretty important part of, ofmodern culture.
You know how your relationship has changed to meet movies over
time. And I thought like, what are
some, what are some formative like theater memories and
(32:22):
experiences you've got? Because they say that, hey,
theater is slowly dying. It'll be gone in 20 years.
I don't know, man. But it got me thinking, hey,
what are some what's a theater going experience that comes to
mind? And I wondered if you had one.
(32:43):
I have several. Oh no.
Well, what's one that you can actually share in polite
company? Well, OK, I mean, I can share
all of them. They're fine.
Boring. Well, like, OK, so the first
example, like I mentioned, I love My Fair Lady is the movie.
I went to go see it on Broadway whenever they brought it to
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Broadway, the Broadway play, it's it's the same as the movie.
So I wish I had just watched themovie again, like, well, the
movie, it would been in the comfort of my own home.
And yeah, anyway, and I think there was some, it's easier,
especially to take a story that people are already familiar with
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to the stage, like the horse races don't come across as well
as they did in the the other example that I had was watching
the Book of Mormon at the theater.
And so Book of Mormon was created by the creators of South
Park. It is.
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Highly inappropriate. And super funny, very catchy
tunes. But to be able to like, laugh at
yourself and then realize like you're laughing at what's
happening in the play. And at the same time you're
like, Oh my God, I'm going to goto hell because I laughed at
that. But one else around you is
laughing too. So there's something to the the
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theater going experience with everyone else around you who is
also in on the gag. Yeah, the communal aspect of.
It you're like, oh, good, like we are going to hell.
But at least it's a good hang, you know?
Yeah, yeah. And then?
Then you go watch stuff. Like I walked out of The Lion
King Theater, the the Broadway show because there's a lot of
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kids there and parents did not teach their kids theater
etiquette and so it was just a sing along and I didn't need a
three hour sing along. Now I will say.
Whenever I went to see Hamilton,that was a good sing along.
But yeah, I. Theater memory for me, I went do
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you do you know the movie? And I wonder if listeners know
the movie Event Horizon I. I never saw the movie because
you went to go watch it and you got so grossed out that I was
like, I'm not going to see that.Yeah.
So that's essentially. What this story is, if you're
familiar with the movie Event Horizon, you know, it's, it's a
rough ride, man. If you're not, you know, so I
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remember seeing the previews forit and the previews, I don't
know if I just like didn't pay close enough attention or if I
kind of shielded myself from thepreviews kind of going.
I don't want to ruin anything because all I I went into the
movie fully expecting just a cool sci-fi show, this science
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fiction thing with Laurence Fishburne and Sam Neill.
All right, this is going to be so cool.
Spaceships, lasers, you know, it's not that.
It's very. Very not.
That it's not that it's horrible.
Yeah. So it's, it's a much more
(35:58):
visceral experience than our I It happens pretty suddenly.
And once it starts happening in the run of the show, it kind of
continues from that point onwards.
So I'm in the theater for a good, you know, half an hour
into the show and then it's liketakes this horrible turn and the
kid next to me at some point I'mlike, I'm, I'm trying.
(36:20):
I'm literally like, I didn't want to get up and leave because
Oh no, only chickens do that. And so I'm like just looking at
the corner of the screen like itand trying to just not hear all
the horrible things that are happening.
And I, I, as part of my effort to not look at the screen, I
look at the kid next to me and he is literally like doing the
(36:42):
thing where he's looking throughthe cracks in his fingers.
He's got his fingers over his eyes and he's like just looking
through the cracks. And I'm like, this is horrible.
So. To hell with theaters like.
They need to be over with right now.
Hold on, you asked this questionand.
I thought you were talking abouttheater like TEATRE, but you're
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in theater. I was going like you're doing.
Nothing but Broadway. How fancy are you?
Like like how expensive is the mustard in your fridge?
Oh man, I. Have all the expensive mustard I
have. Course, I have Dijon.
I have yellow. I have all of them.
No, I was talking movie. Theaters like you're over there,
(37:23):
like spilling the tea about whathappened at Beetlejuice.
I'm just talking about, like, popcorn movie theaters.
Yeah, I'm talking about culture.Yeah, well.
Oh, so how many art nerds are there, Julie?
At least two, But that's what I wanted to bring up.
Redbox is dead. It's been dead for a while.
It has this weird little final chapter.
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If you see some DV DS at, you know, a second hand situation,
you know, give us some thought because those things are going
to continue to kind of like deepbe depopulated in the world and
access to those things is going to be going to maybe more like
look more weird in the future. So if you've got the physical
(38:05):
media, you know, you're kind of in safer space as far as that
goes. That's what I that's what I had.
Thanks for playing well and also.
Remind people to make sure you keep the things that can play
the DVDs, because those are awesome.
Hard to come by, right? But.
So yeah, no, that's that's that's what I had.
(38:27):
But so the the marching order here is everybody to go and
enjoy David Bowie as the Goblin King in Labyrinth.
Do it. Do it.
Good episode, Jake. Appreciate it.
All right, see you later. Bye bye.
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