February 8, 2021 • 35 mins
This episode takes you from a five-year-old little kid crapping in his pants on a canoe trip with his parents to climbing Mount Kilimanjaro with my wife over 30 years later and all the camping trips in between it's mostly laughing, a little bit of cringing, and a Whole Lot of fun, enjoy.
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It's hard to speak your mind these days. voicing your
opinion is tough at a climatewhere you're either seen as an
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our perspective? What about theGen X perspective? Hi, I'm Tony
a latchkey kid from the 80s and90s. Now I'm in my 40s wearing
cargo shorts, collecting StarWars figures and reminiscing
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Rubik's Cube, we've got theexperience to tackle it. Welcome
to the Gen X perspective withTony Randazzo.
Hey, how's everybody doing?
Welcome, welcome. Welcome toanother episode of the Gen X
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perspective with your host,myself Tony Randazzo. Thanks for
visiting. So I got a lot offeedback on my last episode
crashing cars, which was kind ofatrip down memory lane, memory
lane on well, always gettingcaught crashing my dad's cars,
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mostly my dad's cars. Anda lotof people, even friends of my
dad's called me and we're justcracking up listening to it. And
remember when I was a punkteenager, getting into all sorts
of troublecrashing cars, so tospeak. So this week, I wanted
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totalk about camping and myrelationship with the outdoors
and the importance of thatgrowing up and how that led
toabout a 14 year stint incareer and working in the woods
and outdoors and what that wasall about and, and kind of where
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we are today.
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So let's get down to it.
Let'stalk about camping and myfond memories and some pretty
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crazy memories as well. We'regonna go all the way back to
probably one of my earliestchildhood memories was actually
camping. This was back when Iwas it was before I was six
years old.
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I'm not sure my exact age, butit was camping in the Adirondack
Mountains in upstate New Yorkwas with my father and my
mother. And it was a canoe trip.
and obviously and just toremember I was littleand and so
of course it's not clearmemories of the entire camping
trip. But I'll give you thecrazy slash horrible highlights
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that nobody at five years oldshould be remembering
necessarily but hey,thinkingback on it now it wasit was
pretty wild. SoI rememberthethings I remember specifically
about this camping trip so thiswas a canoe trip. And it was in
all theserivers and streams andI don't remember any lakes but
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they were I just remember thetrees being overgrown kind of
over the waterways and and beingin this really dense forest. And
the crazy thing about it wasthathey, I was super super young
andand kind of my my highlightson the trip. were one of my
first memories was sitting inthe canoe I was kind of in the
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middle with all the stuff andkind of going up the river down
the river or whatever.And Iremember my dadbehind me and my
mom in front, in this canoe.Thatwas this new fancy canoe at the
time. And it was made out ofKevlar. And it was this brown
color. And in the end, thereason I remember the canoe so
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well, is because it's hanging inthe shop at the winery.And it's
been repaired a million times,and it's been hanging up there.
Oh, for 10 years or so when wegot it out of the way. Finally,
my dad's been carding this canoearound for, like 42 years. And
it seemed better days, but it'sstill there. It's this Kevlar,
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fiberglass, super fancy at thetime canoe that was really
lightweight. And I, you know,none of that mattered when I was
a little kid, I just remembersitting in the middle of it and
going up and down these rivers.
And then I remember having towalk a really long way, which
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probably wasn't very long. Butbeing little, it seemed like it
was a million miles it was this,we'd have to get the canoe out.
And they'd have to go overlandto get to the next stream or
river or whatever.And take thecanoe out in the my parentswould
carry all the stuff. Well, Icouldn't carry anything because
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I was little. And frankly, mymom may have been carrying me I
don't really remember otherthanat one point, I was they
went like halfway, set all thisstuff down and set me on top of
the stuff and said don't movenow. And remember, this was back
in the 70s when people lefttheir kids alone all the time.
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So I'm in the woods on the sideof a trail, sitting on top of
backpacks and sleeping bags andwhatever alone while my parents
walked back in to get the canoe,soit seemed like an hour, 10
hours, who knows it was probablyonly 1015 minutes, but it seemed
like a million years at thetime. And being that small.I was
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afraid to go to the bathroom. SoI was holding it and ended up
crapping my pants, being thislittle five, six year old kid
and then being embarrassed andnot wanting to say anything. So
it's the middle of the summer inthe Adirondacks. It's probably
95% humidity. There's freakinbugs everywhere. I crapped
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myself.And I'm sitting bymyself, so I smell horrible.I'm
sure that the bugs were lovingit. And my parents were gone.
Sothe next kind of flash ormemory I have in this whole
thing was being in in a tent.Andso we had obviously traveled and
I you know, kind of vaguememories, maybe their
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assumptions, whatever aboutbeing in a canoe. But we were at
this campsite. And there wereotherfriends, family members. I
don't remember exactly, butthere were other people around.
And I remember sitting in thetent, and I remember my mom
specifically saying orcomplaining about the mosquitoes
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and I remember the mosquitoesbecause well, my mother had to
help clean me up and get mesquared away after they
discovered that I had a load mydrawers and
and I just remember that theheat was just ridiculous. And
being a little kid, you know,whatever. It was just this
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craziness now. However thatvacation backpacking canoe trip
went, I have no idea. I don'tremember anything else from it.
Other thanit was lots ofmosquitoes. I crapped myself and
there was a canoe that's stillin my life today that is hanging
in the rafters at work. So fastforward to California and living
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out west. My dad,alwaysthewilderness and being in the
woods was always an importantpart of his life. He was an avid
hunter at the time and startedhunting when he was very young,
and used to go with all of hisuncles, and cousins and has
these crazy stories about goingto this hunting camp in
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wellsville, New York, and somuch so that they had bought a
little piece of property thereso that they could go there and
camp and hunt. And it wasit was a trailer on this plot of
land in the woods. AndI don'tremember going there myself as a
little kid. But that's about thesame time as the canoe trip. My
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parents own that and they ownedit four years later, even when
they livedout west. They keptthey kept it for a while. And I
do remember spending a couplenights there once with my aunt
Marlene.We drove up thereWe'rein the middle of the nightin a
rainstorm, and her crazyVolkswagen bug in this car was
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so beat up and old thateverytime we drove over a puddle, you
could feel the water splash onyour feet, through the rusted
out floorboards in thisVolkswagen bug in the middle of
the night, we got up to thecamp. And we spent the night or
two or three there. I don'treally remember that either. But
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even my aunt at the time, myfamily was really into going up
to this camp and camping andbeing in the woods.And years
later, my dad, I believe, hadsold hispiece of the camp or
sold the camp to my Uncle Steve,who owned it for years after
that, and then at some point,sold it and moved on.
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getting back to camping inCalifornia, as we all know,
Adirondacks, or maybe we don't,but so the Adirondack Mountains
is this kind of really denseforest. It's not super high
peaks, like the West Coast. Butit's a different kind of
mountain range, just asbeautiful, just as stunning, but
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very different.So growing up inCalifornia, so fast forward,
over six years old. So betweenseven and 12. We went on
multiple camping trips alloverthe South, the west
southwest, so up in the Sierrasandout in the desert and went to
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some really cool places. Andfrankly, I can't remember the
name of them other than my dad,it was always important to take
me camping, and maybe that wasjust because of his generation.
And he worked all the time. Andthat was the only time that it
really he spent with me.Asidefrom on the weekends after my
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parents divorced when he waskind of stuck with me at first,
I don't know if he knew what todo with me necessarily, but we
would go camping in the earlyyears. Sothe next kind of
camping trip that I have areally vivid memory of I must
have been 10/11 years old. Andwe were withCliff , and he one
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of his daughters, probablyAaron, I believe. And the only
thing I remember about thatcamping trip where we were in
one of those van conversions,and I remember sitting up kind
of behind them. This was ofcourse before we had to wear
seatbelts all the time. layingup kind of behind the couch in
the back of this you know,Chester the molester van,you
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know, had shag carpeting blueshag carpeting in it, this gray
van. And I remember eating m&msand getting wicked sick. So
second trip that I remembercamping and getting violently
ill essentially from eating waytoo much chocolate. I think they
were feeding me m&ms to keep meoccupied because I was a little
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punk little kid. Whoknows.That's all I remember from
that particular camping trip. Sowe're not, I'm not doing well
here. I should be not wanting tohave anything to do with the
woods at this point.
Another camping trip I remembervividly was we were with my dad
and at the time, it was agentleman that he worked with
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and his two sons, they were acouple years older than I was
and they sent me and we were ina campground so lots of people
camping there. There's a bigriver with this waterfall that I
remember really clearly andIremember having a good time and
there's you know, I've seenpictures of it so I you know, do
I remember it or I just rememberthe pictures I have no idea but
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what I do remember very vividlyabout that particular trip they
sent me to go get water andagain campground so you know you
walk down the road from yourcampsite and you turn the spigot
on and you have water we're in acampground I get water in my
littleyou know cooking pot and Istart walking back and I get
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lost I mean lost for real lostlike my my dad was looking for
me his friend the kid other kidswere looking for me Yellin by
the river thinking I fell in theriver. And basically what I
ended up doing, which was whatall kids should do is I sat down
and started crying. And thisvery nice woman who, as far as I
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know, was camping by herselfcame up to me and asked me my
name and why I was crying andshe stayed with me and then I
just kind of remember being backwith my dad at that point.
So I'm painting a picture herethat's I should live in New York
City or LA and never leave theconcrete jungle at this point.
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ByI'm a glutton for punishment.
So, camping continued.And kindof as the years went on, it kind
of decreased as my father'sinterests changed. So he really
got into fishing, saltwaterfishing. And we started spending
a lot of time on the boat. Sowe'll call it RV on a boat, we
would spend the night we wouldgo fishing out by Catalina
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Island and out off the coast ofSouthern California. And I did
that for a number of years. Andthat kind of supplemented the
camping spending time with dadthing.
And so I always kind of hadcamping in my blood. Just never
good experiences. I knew how todo it. I had done it multiple
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times. But I always had somedisasters. So fast forwarding a
few years to my teens In NewYork, summertime,got a couple of
friends. I'm old enough now 16ish, where I'm kind of allowed
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to go off on my own and we gocamping. There's four of us. We
went camping in the Adirondacks.
Now we didn't have probably theright gear, we had sleeping
bags, we had a tent, we had somecanned food, whatever. We're
just going up for the night toprobablyunofficially drink beer
and hang out. So we ended upgoing up this trail by the time
we got there, it was pitchblack, we set up our tent, went
to sleep it rained like afreakin bastard all night. woke
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up the next morning soakingwetand decided that was dumb.
We might have cooked breakfast,I don't remember. We were all
soaking wet, drowned rats gotback in the car went back to
town. And that was the end ofthat camping trip. and then
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we'll fast forward a fewyears.when I was 18 got shipped
off to a wilderness therapyprogram. As a student, I was a
troubled kid had gotten in a lotof trouble. My dad well, being a
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camping guy and figuring Well,the best thing I can do for my
son is send him to the woods. So90 days later, after hiking in
the woods of Montana in themiddle of winter,against my will
sort of so I was 18 I could haveleft at any time but leaving
meantleaving the middle ofnowhere. So I didn't really have
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a choice. So again, not the bestexperience camping from that
perspective. But what the shiftin that trip was a it was 90
days living in the woods. Welived in snow shelters. We lived
in tents at one point. We livedin teepees, and we traveled kind
of all over the would beNorthwestern Montana, outside of
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this town called Noxon, Montana.
And I learned how to survive inthe woods. I mean, survive,
survive, like walk out into thewoods with a pocket knife and a
jacket and come out 90 dayslater, healthy and happy and had
a big old beard. Now,afterthat,camping becamesomething
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that was fun and pleasurable. Idid another 30 day backpacking
trip in the cascade mountainrange about a year and a half
later, where we climbed thethree sisters and three fingered
jack and some othermountains.And a year later did
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another camping trip, etc, etc.
So now camping is morepleasurable, I'm older, kind of
know what I'm doing. And thedays of the miserable camping
trips were kind of over.Now fastforward to needing a job after
my daughter was born. SoI was looking for a job had just
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moved back to Oregon. I'mskipping some of the details
because we're talking aboutcamping here now. So my soon to
be wife and myself moved back toOregon. And I need a job. And I
reply to a job that I saw in thepaper saying you know,
wilderness therapy instructorsneeded all positions. So I apply
for this working for thiscompanycalled obsidian trails
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and it was awilderness therapycompany and in for those of you
who don't know me or don't knowwhat whether it's therapy is or
was at the time, which it'sdifferent todayThey were
programs that took kids betweenusually between the ages of14
and 18 are 14 and 17 and a halfand they took them in the woods
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anywhere from 14 days to 120days or longer. AndThe
instructors were with the kidsfull time. And therapists would
come out three, four times aweek and meet with the kids and
work with the families. And itwas just kind of this idea of,
unlike boot camps, which a lotof people have heard of,
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wilderness boot camps, thesewere therapeutic camps.
Soideally, and if things werehappening the way they were
supposed to,you spent a lot oftime hiking, and reflecting and
learning some life skills andworking with your therapist, and
then eventually with yourfamily, and then you would
either go home or move out ordepending on your age, and etc,
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etc. So I was working for thiscompany and started working with
I was working with 10 to 12 yearolds.At the time, these little
guys, so it was more ofit was Idescribed it as kind of a summer
campfor kids with learning andbehavioral behavioral
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difficulties. So they were thosekids that were hard to handle.
And so it wasn't hiking, longmiles. And it was you were
dealing with younger kids. So itwas morenot babysitting, but it
was more it was just a kind of adifferent vibe and feel. And I
always worked with the same twoinstructors, these two, these
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two women that I'm still friendswith in the whole Facebook
world.Rainbow and Juniper dawnwere their names. And they
taught me a whole bunch abouthow to work with kids. And we
spent a lot of time camping andwe would do it 14 days at a rip.
So we'd go out for 14 days workwith the kids, and then you're
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off for 14 days. And it was agreat experience. Andat some
point, obsidian trails closed ormerged with another company
called Sage walk. And Icontinued my work with them.And
started managing the fieldinstructors and going in the
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woods, and working with thestaff and training them in how
to work with the kids. And thiswent on
for you know, almost 12 years,it was this really crazy,
unexpected career path that Ifound myself on,which was
centered around backpacking,hiking and camping. Andand it
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led to some really greatfriendships and really cool
stuff, totally unplanneddeal.That led to a television
show that I ended up on calledbrat camp that was associated or
affiliated with Sage walk thewilderness school. And it was on
ABC 10 episodes, millions ofpeople every week watched. But
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it was pretty controversial. Soif you think kids therapy being
held against their will, I mean,it's kind of how the TV show
kind of spun it.I thought theydid a great job of not
interacting with the kids. Wewere really like the first
reality TV show where nobody gotvoted off. And nobody won a
million bucks.Really, the endgame was graduating whenever it
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was time to graduate. And partof the deal with the production
companies were that they didn'tinterfere with the kids, they
weren't actually even allowed totalk to them. They just got to
film them. And they kepteverything pretty much in order
of how it happened in the woods,Nate did a really good job of
kind of honoring what we weredoing out there working with
these kids in a really difficulttime in the kids lives. And it
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was a really great experience.
For me. I think for the kids,for the most part, I keep in
touch with a couple of them. Andit was really this crazy wild
thing. Where now I was campingwith a whole production crew in
the woods with me. I it was wellover 150 people around there, it
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was nuts. There were people allover and they weren't allowed to
talk around the kids at all. Soeverything that we saw on
camera, the the film crewweren't allowed, the only time
they were allowed to interactwith the kids was these
interview sessions. And, and itwas away from the staff. So of
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course, that's when you wouldget them talking about the
staff, etc, etc. But part of thedeal was is everything that the
kids said had to be monitored bya staff member, which meant that
I always had a radio in my earand I could listen to the
conversations the kids werehavingwith the production
managers when they were doingtheir little outtakes and
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they're filming to make surethat the kids were safe and they
weren't being coursed. Andeverything was everybody was
safe and happy andhealthy.That's a totally other
episode about BRAC camp that Ican go into for a wholeHalf
Hour, a crazy life experienceand my 15 minutes of fame on
ABC, super controversial, again,ABC, owned by Disney, or Disney
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owns them, whatever working withkids, you know, it kind of just,
they didn't pick us up for asecond season. Although our
ratings were through the roof. Imean, it was a super successful
thing. And I really wish itcould have carried on at the
time. But hey, it is what it is.
And I'm still friends with acouple of folks that were
involved with that when they'regreat people,
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But that leads me to my nextcamping trip. So my next big
camping trip wasand now inbetween I had taken weekend
trips with my wife in carcamping around Oregon. I mean,
Oregon is an amazing Oregon,Washington, Idaho, Utah, it's
all right there and some of themost amazing backpacking and
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camping literally, in my opinionin the world, just absolutely
stunning. So every once in awhile my wifewould come with me
or we would go camping togetherand it was more car camping. It
wasn't backpacking or long termstuff. It was more just to hang
out, get out of town have a goodtime. And, and that led tothis
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chance,encounter or availabilityto go on a two week plus
camping, slash Safari inAfrica.I was presented with the
opportunity with a doctor that Iwas working with that I'd gotten
to know really well to go toTanzania and climb Mount
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Kilimanjaro,the largestfreestanding mountain on the
African continent. And I got togo do that.The opportunity to do
it well, I wanted my wife to goand and she wasn't again, not
big backpacking person. But shekind of grew up the same way I
did her dad, you know, they'd gocamping on the weekends
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andboating and RV and she wasaccustomed to it. You know, she
was outdoor girl, for sure isn'toutdoor girl, still,although we
haven't been camping in a longtime, but that's a different
discussion.
So we got this opportunity to goto Africa. So we went to Africa.
And we did this.This guided tripnow this was the first time that
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I had been on something thatthat was that organized with
Sherpas and people carryingstuff and people cooking for you
and all the things that wentalong with these long range,high
altitude climbing experiences.
And in in there's two routes,basically on Kilimanjaro that
you can go up, there's what theycall the Coca Cola route.
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Because every you know, halfmile, there's somebody selling
bottles of Coca Cola along thetrail, and you can do it in
about two days, you go up quick,you hit the summit, and you come
right back down this really wellworn trail that's super safe,
super easy to walk, it justtakes a lot of time. And then
there is more of a technicalroute, where there's some rope
work, meaning you're tied with aharness and ropes and you're
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bouldering and climbing and it'smore of a seven day, not a two
day trip up the mountain, whichis more technical in nature. And
we chose to do that. Now mywife, total trooperwants to do
this.We go,oh, man, it wasprobably two days, maybe before
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we summited the mountain. Shesprained her ankle pretty good.
And she really wanted to get tothe summit. And it was her
mission. Now we had all made anagreement. And there was, I
think, seven of us in the group,maybeabout seven of us, and that
the spouses all kind of made adeal with each other as if one
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because we were going up sohigh, you know, there was a good
opportunity or a goodpossibility that you would have
to descend before you got to thesummit because of getting sick
from altitude sickness. So wekind of all made this agreement
with our spouses that have onegot sick, the other would still
go with able and safe. Andandthat's easy to say that but it's
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really hard in the momentbecauseone of the couples in our
group, the wife got sick and hadto descend pretty quickly. The
morning of our ascent. She wentdown and we went up. And she got
really sick and of courseimmediately got better when she
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started dropping altitude. Butmywife again, sprained ankle, so
part of it is we're with a bunchof doctors, so I'm not too
worried about her from thatperspective. And climbing going
up was really easy, but walkingdownhill was excruciatingly
painful. So we kind ofkept onthe down low. We ended up
summitting got our pictures,everything was wonderful. And
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literally from on the morning ofsummit, you summit, and then you
are going south, you go downthat hill, you go all the way
down until you're out of theState Park, you go back down,
and you're out. You don't stayup there, you don't spend the
night up there, none of thatstuff. So going down was when
her ankle really kicked intohigh gear, pain wise, and they
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ended up sending a truck once wegot down far enough that could
get up one of these mountainroads for sent a truck up to
come get us because we were sofar behind the main group after
we did it. But it was thisreally life changing, amazing
experience that we got to sharetogether. So I'm going now from
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being six years old, andcrapping in my pants, and hating
the woods and the mosquitoes andeverything about it to this life
changing experience with mywife, being on the top of one of
the highest mountain peaks,literally in the world, for sure
on the continent of Africa.
pretty damn cool.So we have thisgreat experience, then we go on
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a safari for a week. And then wecome home and have this great
story for the rest of our lives.
And literally two days ago, mywife reminded me that it was our
anniversary from our summit day,on Kilimanjaro, it was last
week. And it's kind of where Istarted thinking about camping
again and get my brain back intoit a little bit and,and started
kind of thinking of his crazymemories, fond memories,
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horrible memories, but memoriesnonetheless, of my camping
experiences. Anbeing kind ofI'll call it a Gen X or it was,
I thinkmy dad coming from the baby
boomer generation, and was sodriven in his pursuit of
success. And in all things thatwent with that. It was the only
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way that we really everconnected when I was younger, it
was really hard for him. And Ithink for me, for us tohave
anything in common. And campingwas one of those things that
kind of brought us together andcontinued on through our lives.
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And he totally supported ourtrip to Africa and all that fun
stuff.
Now the vineyard is on a 400acre farm. And most of it is
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wooded. we're developing trailsnow for it so people can go out
there and experience it for theday, more than anything, but now
we're talking about puttingyurts in, and teepees and
allowing people to spend thenight out there so that they can
experience not only being in thewoods, and being in nature, but
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also being at the winery andbeing at this really cool place
and really great energy andbeingon the farm and being able to
experience that with us. Andit's some of the stuff that
we're striving for and workingtowards as kind of we progress
in our business on that end.
Butit all stems back to onefateful canoe trip in the
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Adirondacks, when I was a littleankle biter, being miserable,
and again, led to like a 12 yearcareer working in the woods,
etc, etc, which led to a reallyamazingtrip to Africa, climbing
Kilimanjaro, and here I am todaytelling the story about it.
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I won't keep embellishing you'regetting into any more details
about the any of the othercamping trips that kind of wove
in and out in between thosehighlights, but I just wanted to
share that kind of fun momentin, in our history. And what
that was kind of all about so ifyou like what you hear, you
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know, please follow me and, andlisten to my other podcast
crashing cars, which was theepisode that I didlast week. I
got a lot of reviews on it,people really enjoyed it. So if
you haven't listened to that oneyet, please give that a listen.
Andand always remember, hey,it's a it's not just my
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perspective. It's my Gen Xperspective. And I hope to hear
from you guys soon. And look meup on Facebook or Instagram,
Twitter, and I look forward tohearing from you guys soon. You
guys have a wonderful evening,and enjoy yourselves. Peace.
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Hey, how's everybody doing?
Welcome, welcome. Welcome toanother episode of the Gen X
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perspective with your host,myself Tony Randazzo. Thanks for
visiting. So I got a lot offeedback on my last episode
crashing cars, which was kind ofatrip down memory lane, memory
lane on well, always gettingcaught crashing my dad's cars,
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mostly my dad's cars. Anda lotof people, even friends of my
dad's called me and we're justcracking up listening to it. And
remember when I was a punkteenager, getting into all sorts
of troublecrashing cars, so tospeak. So this week, I wanted
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totalk about camping and myrelationship with the outdoors
and the importance of thatgrowing up and how that led
toabout a 14 year stint incareer and working in the woods
and outdoors and what that wasall about and, and kind of where
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we are today.
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So let's get down to it.
Let'stalk about camping and myfond memories and some pretty
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crazy memories as well. We'regonna go all the way back to
probably one of my earliestchildhood memories was actually
camping. This was back when Iwas it was before I was six
years old.
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I'm not sure my exact age, butit was camping in the Adirondack
Mountains in upstate New Yorkwas with my father and my
mother. And it was a canoe trip.
and obviously and just toremember I was littleand and so
of course it's not clearmemories of the entire camping
trip. But I'll give you thecrazy slash horrible highlights
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that nobody at five years oldshould be remembering
necessarily but hey,thinkingback on it now it wasit was
pretty wild. SoI rememberthethings I remember specifically
about this camping trip so thiswas a canoe trip. And it was in
all theserivers and streams andI don't remember any lakes but
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they were I just remember thetrees being overgrown kind of
over the waterways and and beingin this really dense forest. And
the crazy thing about it wasthathey, I was super super young
andand kind of my my highlightson the trip. were one of my
first memories was sitting inthe canoe I was kind of in the
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middle with all the stuff andkind of going up the river down
the river or whatever.And Iremember my dadbehind me and my
mom in front, in this canoe.Thatwas this new fancy canoe at the
time. And it was made out ofKevlar. And it was this brown
color. And in the end, thereason I remember the canoe so
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well, is because it's hanging inthe shop at the winery.And it's
been repaired a million times,and it's been hanging up there.
Oh, for 10 years or so when wegot it out of the way. Finally,
my dad's been carding this canoearound for, like 42 years. And
it seemed better days, but it'sstill there. It's this Kevlar,
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fiberglass, super fancy at thetime canoe that was really
lightweight. And I, you know,none of that mattered when I was
a little kid, I just remembersitting in the middle of it and
going up and down these rivers.
And then I remember having towalk a really long way, which
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probably wasn't very long. Butbeing little, it seemed like it
was a million miles it was this,we'd have to get the canoe out.
And they'd have to go overlandto get to the next stream or
river or whatever.And take thecanoe out in the my parentswould
carry all the stuff. Well, Icouldn't carry anything because
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I was little. And frankly, mymom may have been carrying me I
don't really remember otherthanat one point, I was they
went like halfway, set all thisstuff down and set me on top of
the stuff and said don't movenow. And remember, this was back
in the 70s when people lefttheir kids alone all the time.
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So I'm in the woods on the sideof a trail, sitting on top of
backpacks and sleeping bags andwhatever alone while my parents
walked back in to get the canoe,soit seemed like an hour, 10
hours, who knows it was probablyonly 1015 minutes, but it seemed
like a million years at thetime. And being that small.I was
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afraid to go to the bathroom. SoI was holding it and ended up
crapping my pants, being thislittle five, six year old kid
and then being embarrassed andnot wanting to say anything. So
it's the middle of the summer inthe Adirondacks. It's probably
95% humidity. There's freakinbugs everywhere. I crapped
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myself.And I'm sitting bymyself, so I smell horrible.I'm
sure that the bugs were lovingit. And my parents were gone.
Sothe next kind of flash ormemory I have in this whole
thing was being in in a tent.Andso we had obviously traveled and
I you know, kind of vaguememories, maybe their
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assumptions, whatever aboutbeing in a canoe. But we were at
this campsite. And there wereotherfriends, family members. I
don't remember exactly, butthere were other people around.
And I remember sitting in thetent, and I remember my mom
specifically saying orcomplaining about the mosquitoes
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and I remember the mosquitoesbecause well, my mother had to
help clean me up and get mesquared away after they
discovered that I had a load mydrawers and
and I just remember that theheat was just ridiculous. And
being a little kid, you know,whatever. It was just this
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craziness now. However thatvacation backpacking canoe trip
went, I have no idea. I don'tremember anything else from it.
Other thanit was lots ofmosquitoes. I crapped myself and
there was a canoe that's stillin my life today that is hanging
in the rafters at work. So fastforward to California and living
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out west. My dad,alwaysthewilderness and being in the
woods was always an importantpart of his life. He was an avid
hunter at the time and startedhunting when he was very young,
and used to go with all of hisuncles, and cousins and has
these crazy stories about goingto this hunting camp in
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wellsville, New York, and somuch so that they had bought a
little piece of property thereso that they could go there and
camp and hunt. And it wasit was a trailer on this plot of
land in the woods. AndI don'tremember going there myself as a
little kid. But that's about thesame time as the canoe trip. My
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parents own that and they ownedit four years later, even when
they livedout west. They keptthey kept it for a while. And I
do remember spending a couplenights there once with my aunt
Marlene.We drove up thereWe'rein the middle of the nightin a
rainstorm, and her crazyVolkswagen bug in this car was
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so beat up and old thateverytime we drove over a puddle, you
could feel the water splash onyour feet, through the rusted
out floorboards in thisVolkswagen bug in the middle of
the night, we got up to thecamp. And we spent the night or
two or three there. I don'treally remember that either. But
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even my aunt at the time, myfamily was really into going up
to this camp and camping andbeing in the woods.And years
later, my dad, I believe, hadsold hispiece of the camp or
sold the camp to my Uncle Steve,who owned it for years after
that, and then at some point,sold it and moved on.
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getting back to camping inCalifornia, as we all know,
Adirondacks, or maybe we don't,but so the Adirondack Mountains
is this kind of really denseforest. It's not super high
peaks, like the West Coast. Butit's a different kind of
mountain range, just asbeautiful, just as stunning, but
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very different.So growing up inCalifornia, so fast forward,
over six years old. So betweenseven and 12. We went on
multiple camping trips alloverthe South, the west
southwest, so up in the Sierrasandout in the desert and went to
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some really cool places. Andfrankly, I can't remember the
name of them other than my dad,it was always important to take
me camping, and maybe that wasjust because of his generation.
And he worked all the time. Andthat was the only time that it
really he spent with me.Asidefrom on the weekends after my
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parents divorced when he waskind of stuck with me at first,
I don't know if he knew what todo with me necessarily, but we
would go camping in the earlyyears. Sothe next kind of
camping trip that I have areally vivid memory of I must
have been 10/11 years old. Andwe were withCliff , and he one
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of his daughters, probablyAaron, I believe. And the only
thing I remember about thatcamping trip where we were in
one of those van conversions,and I remember sitting up kind
of behind them. This was ofcourse before we had to wear
seatbelts all the time. layingup kind of behind the couch in
the back of this you know,Chester the molester van,you
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know, had shag carpeting blueshag carpeting in it, this gray
van. And I remember eating m&msand getting wicked sick. So
second trip that I remembercamping and getting violently
ill essentially from eating waytoo much chocolate. I think they
were feeding me m&ms to keep meoccupied because I was a little
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punk little kid. Whoknows.That's all I remember from
that particular camping trip. Sowe're not, I'm not doing well
here. I should be not wanting tohave anything to do with the
woods at this point.
Another camping trip I remembervividly was we were with my dad
and at the time, it was agentleman that he worked with
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and his two sons, they were acouple years older than I was
and they sent me and we were ina campground so lots of people
camping there. There's a bigriver with this waterfall that I
remember really clearly andIremember having a good time and
there's you know, I've seenpictures of it so I you know, do
I remember it or I just rememberthe pictures I have no idea but
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what I do remember very vividlyabout that particular trip they
sent me to go get water andagain campground so you know you
walk down the road from yourcampsite and you turn the spigot
on and you have water we're in acampground I get water in my
littleyou know cooking pot and Istart walking back and I get
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lost I mean lost for real lostlike my my dad was looking for
me his friend the kid other kidswere looking for me Yellin by
the river thinking I fell in theriver. And basically what I
ended up doing, which was whatall kids should do is I sat down
and started crying. And thisvery nice woman who, as far as I
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know, was camping by herselfcame up to me and asked me my
name and why I was crying andshe stayed with me and then I
just kind of remember being backwith my dad at that point.
So I'm painting a picture herethat's I should live in New York
City or LA and never leave theconcrete jungle at this point.
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ByI'm a glutton for punishment.
So, camping continued.And kindof as the years went on, it kind
of decreased as my father'sinterests changed. So he really
got into fishing, saltwaterfishing. And we started spending
a lot of time on the boat. Sowe'll call it RV on a boat, we
would spend the night we wouldgo fishing out by Catalina
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Island and out off the coast ofSouthern California. And I did
that for a number of years. Andthat kind of supplemented the
camping spending time with dadthing.
And so I always kind of hadcamping in my blood. Just never
good experiences. I knew how todo it. I had done it multiple
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times. But I always had somedisasters. So fast forwarding a
few years to my teens In NewYork, summertime,got a couple of
friends. I'm old enough now 16ish, where I'm kind of allowed
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to go off on my own and we gocamping. There's four of us. We
went camping in the Adirondacks.
Now we didn't have probably theright gear, we had sleeping
bags, we had a tent, we had somecanned food, whatever. We're
just going up for the night toprobablyunofficially drink beer
and hang out. So we ended upgoing up this trail by the time
we got there, it was pitchblack, we set up our tent, went
to sleep it rained like afreakin bastard all night. woke
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up the next morning soakingwetand decided that was dumb.
We might have cooked breakfast,I don't remember. We were all
soaking wet, drowned rats gotback in the car went back to
town. And that was the end ofthat camping trip. and then
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we'll fast forward a fewyears.when I was 18 got shipped
off to a wilderness therapyprogram. As a student, I was a
troubled kid had gotten in a lotof trouble. My dad well, being a
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camping guy and figuring Well,the best thing I can do for my
son is send him to the woods. So90 days later, after hiking in
the woods of Montana in themiddle of winter,against my will
sort of so I was 18 I could haveleft at any time but leaving
meantleaving the middle ofnowhere. So I didn't really have
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a choice. So again, not the bestexperience camping from that
perspective. But what the shiftin that trip was a it was 90
days living in the woods. Welived in snow shelters. We lived
in tents at one point. We livedin teepees, and we traveled kind
of all over the would beNorthwestern Montana, outside of
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this town called Noxon, Montana.
And I learned how to survive inthe woods. I mean, survive,
survive, like walk out into thewoods with a pocket knife and a
jacket and come out 90 dayslater, healthy and happy and had
a big old beard. Now,afterthat,camping becamesomething
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that was fun and pleasurable. Idid another 30 day backpacking
trip in the cascade mountainrange about a year and a half
later, where we climbed thethree sisters and three fingered
jack and some othermountains.And a year later did
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another camping trip, etc, etc.
So now camping is morepleasurable, I'm older, kind of
know what I'm doing. And thedays of the miserable camping
trips were kind of over.Now fastforward to needing a job after
my daughter was born. SoI was looking for a job had just
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moved back to Oregon. I'mskipping some of the details
because we're talking aboutcamping here now. So my soon to
be wife and myself moved back toOregon. And I need a job. And I
reply to a job that I saw in thepaper saying you know,
wilderness therapy instructorsneeded all positions. So I apply
for this working for thiscompanycalled obsidian trails
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and it was awilderness therapycompany and in for those of you
who don't know me or don't knowwhat whether it's therapy is or
was at the time, which it'sdifferent todayThey were
programs that took kids betweenusually between the ages of14
and 18 are 14 and 17 and a halfand they took them in the woods
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anywhere from 14 days to 120days or longer. AndThe
instructors were with the kidsfull time. And therapists would
come out three, four times aweek and meet with the kids and
work with the families. And itwas just kind of this idea of,
unlike boot camps, which a lotof people have heard of,
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wilderness boot camps, thesewere therapeutic camps.
Soideally, and if things werehappening the way they were
supposed to,you spent a lot oftime hiking, and reflecting and
learning some life skills andworking with your therapist, and
then eventually with yourfamily, and then you would
either go home or move out ordepending on your age, and etc,
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etc. So I was working for thiscompany and started working with
I was working with 10 to 12 yearolds.At the time, these little
guys, so it was more ofit was Idescribed it as kind of a summer
campfor kids with learning andbehavioral behavioral
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difficulties. So they were thosekids that were hard to handle.
And so it wasn't hiking, longmiles. And it was you were
dealing with younger kids. So itwas morenot babysitting, but it
was more it was just a kind of adifferent vibe and feel. And I
always worked with the same twoinstructors, these two, these
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two women that I'm still friendswith in the whole Facebook
world.Rainbow and Juniper dawnwere their names. And they
taught me a whole bunch abouthow to work with kids. And we
spent a lot of time camping andwe would do it 14 days at a rip.
So we'd go out for 14 days workwith the kids, and then you're
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off for 14 days. And it was agreat experience. Andat some
point, obsidian trails closed ormerged with another company
called Sage walk. And Icontinued my work with them.And
started managing the fieldinstructors and going in the
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woods, and working with thestaff and training them in how
to work with the kids. And thiswent on
for you know, almost 12 years,it was this really crazy,
unexpected career path that Ifound myself on,which was
centered around backpacking,hiking and camping. Andand it
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led to some really greatfriendships and really cool
stuff, totally unplanneddeal.That led to a television
show that I ended up on calledbrat camp that was associated or
affiliated with Sage walk thewilderness school. And it was on
ABC 10 episodes, millions ofpeople every week watched. But
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it was pretty controversial. Soif you think kids therapy being
held against their will, I mean,it's kind of how the TV show
kind of spun it.I thought theydid a great job of not
interacting with the kids. Wewere really like the first
reality TV show where nobody gotvoted off. And nobody won a
million bucks.Really, the endgame was graduating whenever it
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was time to graduate. And partof the deal with the production
companies were that they didn'tinterfere with the kids, they
weren't actually even allowed totalk to them. They just got to
film them. And they kepteverything pretty much in order
of how it happened in the woods,Nate did a really good job of
kind of honoring what we weredoing out there working with
these kids in a really difficulttime in the kids lives. And it
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was a really great experience.
For me. I think for the kids,for the most part, I keep in
touch with a couple of them. Andit was really this crazy wild
thing. Where now I was campingwith a whole production crew in
the woods with me. I it was wellover 150 people around there, it
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was nuts. There were people allover and they weren't allowed to
talk around the kids at all. Soeverything that we saw on
camera, the the film crewweren't allowed, the only time
they were allowed to interactwith the kids was these
interview sessions. And, and itwas away from the staff. So of
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course, that's when you wouldget them talking about the
staff, etc, etc. But part of thedeal was is everything that the
kids said had to be monitored bya staff member, which meant that
I always had a radio in my earand I could listen to the
conversations the kids werehavingwith the production
managers when they were doingtheir little outtakes and
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they're filming to make surethat the kids were safe and they
weren't being coursed. Andeverything was everybody was
safe and happy andhealthy.That's a totally other
episode about BRAC camp that Ican go into for a wholeHalf
Hour, a crazy life experienceand my 15 minutes of fame on
ABC, super controversial, again,ABC, owned by Disney, or Disney
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owns them, whatever working withkids, you know, it kind of just,
they didn't pick us up for asecond season. Although our
ratings were through the roof. Imean, it was a super successful
thing. And I really wish itcould have carried on at the
time. But hey, it is what it is.
And I'm still friends with acouple of folks that were
involved with that when they'regreat people,
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But that leads me to my nextcamping trip. So my next big
camping trip wasand now inbetween I had taken weekend
trips with my wife in carcamping around Oregon. I mean,
Oregon is an amazing Oregon,Washington, Idaho, Utah, it's
all right there and some of themost amazing backpacking and
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camping literally, in my opinionin the world, just absolutely
stunning. So every once in awhile my wifewould come with me
or we would go camping togetherand it was more car camping. It
wasn't backpacking or long termstuff. It was more just to hang
out, get out of town have a goodtime. And, and that led tothis
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chance,encounter or availabilityto go on a two week plus
camping, slash Safari inAfrica.I was presented with the
opportunity with a doctor that Iwas working with that I'd gotten
to know really well to go toTanzania and climb Mount
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Kilimanjaro,the largestfreestanding mountain on the
African continent. And I got togo do that.The opportunity to do
it well, I wanted my wife to goand and she wasn't again, not
big backpacking person. But shekind of grew up the same way I
did her dad, you know, they'd gocamping on the weekends
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andboating and RV and she wasaccustomed to it. You know, she
was outdoor girl, for sure isn'toutdoor girl, still,although we
haven't been camping in a longtime, but that's a different
discussion.
So we got this opportunity to goto Africa. So we went to Africa.
And we did this.This guided tripnow this was the first time that
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I had been on something thatthat was that organized with
Sherpas and people carryingstuff and people cooking for you
and all the things that wentalong with these long range,high
altitude climbing experiences.
And in in there's two routes,basically on Kilimanjaro that
you can go up, there's what theycall the Coca Cola route.
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Because every you know, halfmile, there's somebody selling
bottles of Coca Cola along thetrail, and you can do it in
about two days, you go up quick,you hit the summit, and you come
right back down this really wellworn trail that's super safe,
super easy to walk, it justtakes a lot of time. And then
there is more of a technicalroute, where there's some rope
work, meaning you're tied with aharness and ropes and you're
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bouldering and climbing and it'smore of a seven day, not a two
day trip up the mountain, whichis more technical in nature. And
we chose to do that. Now mywife, total trooperwants to do
this.We go,oh, man, it wasprobably two days, maybe before
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we summited the mountain. Shesprained her ankle pretty good.
And she really wanted to get tothe summit. And it was her
mission. Now we had all made anagreement. And there was, I
think, seven of us in the group,maybeabout seven of us, and that
the spouses all kind of made adeal with each other as if one
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because we were going up sohigh, you know, there was a good
opportunity or a goodpossibility that you would have
to descend before you got to thesummit because of getting sick
from altitude sickness. So wekind of all made this agreement
with our spouses that have onegot sick, the other would still
go with able and safe. Andandthat's easy to say that but it's
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really hard in the momentbecauseone of the couples in our
group, the wife got sick and hadto descend pretty quickly. The
morning of our ascent. She wentdown and we went up. And she got
really sick and of courseimmediately got better when she
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started dropping altitude. Butmywife again, sprained ankle, so
part of it is we're with a bunchof doctors, so I'm not too
worried about her from thatperspective. And climbing going
up was really easy, but walkingdownhill was excruciatingly
painful. So we kind ofkept onthe down low. We ended up
summitting got our pictures,everything was wonderful. And
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literally from on the morning ofsummit, you summit, and then you
are going south, you go downthat hill, you go all the way
down until you're out of theState Park, you go back down,
and you're out. You don't stayup there, you don't spend the
night up there, none of thatstuff. So going down was when
her ankle really kicked intohigh gear, pain wise, and they
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ended up sending a truck once wegot down far enough that could
get up one of these mountainroads for sent a truck up to
come get us because we were sofar behind the main group after
we did it. But it was thisreally life changing, amazing
experience that we got to sharetogether. So I'm going now from
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being six years old, andcrapping in my pants, and hating
the woods and the mosquitoes andeverything about it to this life
changing experience with mywife, being on the top of one of
the highest mountain peaks,literally in the world, for sure
on the continent of Africa.
pretty damn cool.So we have thisgreat experience, then we go on
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a safari for a week. And then wecome home and have this great
story for the rest of our lives.
And literally two days ago, mywife reminded me that it was our
anniversary from our summit day,on Kilimanjaro, it was last
week. And it's kind of where Istarted thinking about camping
again and get my brain back intoit a little bit and,and started
kind of thinking of his crazymemories, fond memories,
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horrible memories, but memoriesnonetheless, of my camping
experiences. Anbeing kind ofI'll call it a Gen X or it was,
I thinkmy dad coming from the baby
boomer generation, and was sodriven in his pursuit of
success. And in all things thatwent with that. It was the only
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way that we really everconnected when I was younger, it
was really hard for him. And Ithink for me, for us tohave
anything in common. And campingwas one of those things that
kind of brought us together andcontinued on through our lives.
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And he totally supported ourtrip to Africa and all that fun
stuff.
Now the vineyard is on a 400acre farm. And most of it is
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wooded. we're developing trailsnow for it so people can go out
there and experience it for theday, more than anything, but now
we're talking about puttingyurts in, and teepees and
allowing people to spend thenight out there so that they can
experience not only being in thewoods, and being in nature, but
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also being at the winery andbeing at this really cool place
and really great energy andbeingon the farm and being able to
experience that with us. Andit's some of the stuff that
we're striving for and workingtowards as kind of we progress
in our business on that end.
Butit all stems back to onefateful canoe trip in the
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Adirondacks, when I was a littleankle biter, being miserable,
and again, led to like a 12 yearcareer working in the woods,
etc, etc, which led to a reallyamazingtrip to Africa, climbing
Kilimanjaro, and here I am todaytelling the story about it.
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I won't keep embellishing you'regetting into any more details
about the any of the othercamping trips that kind of wove
in and out in between thosehighlights, but I just wanted to
share that kind of fun momentin, in our history. And what
that was kind of all about so ifyou like what you hear, you
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know, please follow me and, andlisten to my other podcast
crashing cars, which was theepisode that I didlast week. I
got a lot of reviews on it,people really enjoyed it. So if
you haven't listened to that oneyet, please give that a listen.
Andand always remember, hey,it's a it's not just my
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perspective. It's my Gen Xperspective. And I hope to hear
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