March 19, 2025 • 60 mins
Greg Bressani beckons us to reconnect with our spiritual essence through his remarkable crystal channeling rods—copper tubes with terminated quartz crystals that ground our energy while broadcasting it to higher dimensions. As an artist turned metaphysical toolmaker, Greg's journey began unexpectedly when he discovered discarded bullet casings during wilderness tours and paired them with crystals, creating what he called "spirit ammo." Years later, after finding copper tubing washed up on a California beach, he evolved this concept into powerful meditation tools that help users access what he calls "the divine mind."
The science behind these tools is fascinating—copper serves as an exceptional conductor, grounding our electromagnetic field while the quartz crystals amplify and project our balanced energy outward. Many users report feeling immediate sensations when holding the rods: an electric pulse followed by a gentle buzz that spreads throughout the body. Greg recommends using them while lying down, taking deep breaths, and setting intention to connect with infinite intelligence. The early morning hours between 3-6am—what mystics call the "ambrosial hours"—provide especially potent conditions for this practice.
Beyond meditation, these versatile tools can function as dowsing rods for energy detection, making them valuable for paranormal investigation. Available in three sizes (with larger diameters producing stronger effects), these handcrafted tools use USA-sourced materials and Arkansas-mined crystals of jewelry-grade quality. Greg believes we're collectively shifting from ego-based fear toward heart-centered consciousness—his channeling rods serve as practical tools for this transformation, helping us remember what our ancestors knew but modern society has forgotten: how to quiet our minds and tap into universal wisdom. Ready to explore your connection to source energy? Visit gregbressani.com to discover these unique spiritual tools for yourself.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It just came to me to do it.
I don't know what inspired meto do it.
I was inspired, I think I wasout on the land a lot.
I was doing these they callthem mountain tours where they
were doing jeeps with people.
I learned a lot of thechaparral and the primitive
technologies and native plantsand so I'd do these tours to
locals that would come andanyhow I'd be out there showing
them all the stuff.
And then one day I found abunch of casings and I was like
(00:21):
what am I going to do with these?
But I found a crystal mine inArkansas and set up some
accounts with them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They started shipping me some things, and so I
started playing around puttingthe crystals in the casings.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's like a piece.
The casing had that energy, soit's like I use a lot of found
objects.
What I particularly findinteresting is the imprint of
memory on the object so so Well,hey, everybody Welcome back hey
(01:28):
everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm Logan and I'm Nicole and we're Generation X
Paranormal.
So we have a great show.
I always say that, but we do so.
As some of you folks know somemaybe that don't I'm from
Arizona and we went to visit myfamily in October and this was
October of 2024.
So I don't know when you'relistening to this or watching it
(01:49):
, but that was when it was, andwe were there for quite a while.
We were almost there for amonth, yeah.
But it was a good time and howwe kind of ended it.
We wanted to take a trip up toSedona and we're going up there
to just do what most people doin Sedona check out all the cool
stuff and the hike andeverything.
And if you're into the woo-woo,the cool woo-woo stuff, it's
(02:10):
the best place for it.
It is the best place for it.
But in doing so, we were alittle ahead of my sister who
was going to join us there, andyou know what you do in any
other town you drive around fora little bit aimlessly looking
for something to do, and westumbled across a arts and
crafts place.
Yeah, arts and crafts fair, alittle fair.
So when we did, we met thegentleman we're about to
(02:33):
interview.
What can you tell us about GregBressani?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So Greg is an artist and he lives in Sedona and he
does multiple mediums of art,which are metal sculpture,
charcoal drawing, intuitivereadings and digital arts.
But the thing we're mainly hereto talk to him today about was
something that we bought fromhim.
Sure did, yeah, and they arecalled crystal channeling rods,
(02:58):
and we will get into that as wetalk to Greg.
Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He's so cool.
Wait till you get to meet him.
Yeah, let's talk to Greg.
Well, I can't wait.
He's so cool.
Wait till you get to meet him.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, let's talk to Greg.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Well, hey, Greg, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hi guys, I'm doing great.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , so kind of a long story short.
What is October?
We were out in Arizona and I'moriginally from Arizona.
We would definitely want to goup to Sedona and because, of
course, sedona is gorgeous andthere's so much and I love
Sedona Right, we love Sedona.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If you didn't need to knock over a major bank to live
there, we may actually be there, but we went to a really cool
gosh.
What was it Just basically like?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We were waiting for your sister and our nephews to
get there and we spotted thelittle art arts and crafts thing
yeah.
And we stopped in and that'swhere we met you, Greg.
That's right.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So, greg, if you don't mind, we'll.
We'll kind of get into thewhole meat and potatoes of
everything, but if you could,for our audience, just sort of
give us like a very high flyoverof kind of who you are and
what's kind of got you to thispoint.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, you bet, Originally I'm an artist.
I've been working in thismedium of steel for about 30
years.
I learned it in high school andI just kept going with it, Went
to art school and it's kind ofduring art school that I started
having visitations, and we'lltalk about that later.
But that led me on to a wholenew series of adventures
(04:25):
exploring the.
Southwest.
I started having visitations andwe'll talk about that later.
But that led me on to a wholenew series of adventures,
exploring the Southwest and kindof understanding this whole
thing about energy andspirituality and all kinds of
things I knew nothing about.
It Kind of came up, born andraised from like a religious
background Catholic backgroundbut besides that I knew nothing
about any of this stuff.
Quick background, but uh,besides that I knew nothing
(04:47):
about any of this stuff.
So I took some trips to thesouthwest, kind of, during my
college years and discovered allthese amazing places, uh,
particularly one being sedona,and um traveled there and
eventually moved there, uh, andthat kind of kept everything in
line source from there on out,what happened.
But yeah, but like for aboutfour years I worked, um, as a
park ranger at a particular sitethere and learned so much
(05:09):
information.
It was insane, it was reallyinteresting and from there and
on it was like it was on.
So that's all, yeah it's beenquite a journey, but I'm back,
yeah, back here and, um, I'mloving it, um, it's great.
I so, yeah, so I do metalsculpture and I also do, uh,
metaphysical products as well.
Uh, being out on the land anddoing all the things I was doing
(05:30):
in the last 25 years, it kindof just developed into that and
uh, some tools that I've beenable to create and modality out
of it, but but, yeah, so I guessyou could just call me an
artist to enjoy them.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I guess, yeah, absolutely.
Uh, you know it's.
What's interesting is that, um,I went to school for art as
well.
Um, I just, I don't know, I gotinto that whole.
You know, as you get higher upinto art, when it comes to
education, they either want youto be a, a curator, or they want
you to start defining all thesedifferent things, and I'm like
(06:03):
I'm curator.
Or they want you to startdefining all these different
things and I'm like I'm.
That's just not me, you know I,I can't do that.
And if you're not a, a curatorof the Met or something like
that, you're not making a dimeanyway.
And there's only what aboutfive to 10 real big jobs out
there.
That, uh, that an art major canreally have other than what
they, what they do.
You know part of their, theirlove, and I do.
(06:23):
I guess I just had a reallyhard time defining that.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, it's challenging, for sure, to finish
your modern world, to have towork like a full-time job and do
your art job is reallychallenging.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, well, okay, um, youknow, let's kind of start kind
of getting into the, the meatand and potatoes part, because I
think there's so much there.
Um, you know, we've, we'veobviously we've talked at churn
sedona.
Now, being in arizona, and I'vealways known the mountains and
all these.
All these rocks and crystalsand all these different things
(06:58):
were very important to myculture and I'm half native, I'm
also half scottish, irish or no, scottish swedish I'm sorry i't
talk today and anyway, it'salways kind of been known
through my culture that there'sthere's an attachment to, to the
, to the earth, there's anattachment to, you know, the
attachment to all thesedifferent things, and Sedona to
(07:20):
me, has always sort of been thepinnacle of that.
Um, you know, and obviously upin that area you have all the
different vortexes and you haveall the different um, you know
all the different healing typethings out there, but there's
also a lot of high strangenessout there.
Um, there's a lot of, you know,ufology, all these other things
(07:40):
that are coming to play.
Um, so I can see kind of lendsinto some of the stuff that
you're involved with now andwe're going to.
I guess we can kind of startwith when we're in our booth.
What we picked up and I can seewhat's in front of you too are
the channeling rods.
Yeah, and we'll show ourchanneling rods here.
(08:01):
Yeah, baby Nice, yeah, they'reawesome, they are awesome.
Yeah, as, as I like to say,sometimes we're not just in the
club, we're clients too, but uh,yeah but um, no, they're
fantastic.
Um, yeah, if you can kind oftell us and I know you, you kind
of did this when we met, but um, obviously our audience hasn't
had the benefit of that.
So if you can kind of startwith why the rods and kind of
(08:25):
how you came up with that, yeah,you bet.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So around 2012, I was living kind of in the Ojai area
, ventura, santa Barbara County.
There of California I had movedon from Sedona, went out to
study the Chumash culture ofCalifornia there, particularly
rock art styles.
I was blown away by aparticular rock art style of
Bautista and Sedona thatmirrored some of the ones that
(08:48):
were in the California area.
So I went out there.
Anyhow, I started getting intoit.
I have something here.
I started making their cultspirit, ammos and their bullets
bullet casings with crystals putinside and it just came to me
to do it.
I don't know what to do and Iwas inspired.
I think I was out on the land alot.
(09:09):
I was doing these they callthem mountain tours, where they
were doing jeeps with people.
I learned a lot of thechaparral and the primitive
technologies and native plantsand so I'd do these tours to
locals that would come andanyhow I'd be out there showing
them all the stuff.
And then one day I I found abunch of casings and I was like
what am I gonna do with these?
But, um, I found a crystal minein arkansas and set up some,
(09:32):
set up some accounts with them.
They started shipping me somethings and so I started playing
around putting the crystals inthe in the casings.
It's like a, you know, like apiece.
Um, the casing had that energy.
So it's like I use a lot offound objects.
What I particularly findinteresting is the imprint of
memory on the object.
So this obviously was fired.
There's an explosion there.
So putting the crystal in thereis kind of capturing the
(09:54):
imprint and pushing out thefrequency as well, kind of
broadcasting the frequency.
So I started with these, theselittle guys, how's all started
these little?
I call them spirit ammo, but uh,that's really like leather cups
and bracelets and things and Ikind of went on a binge with
that and then it kind of went.
It was kind of a trend, youknow, at the time.
But so over the years I stillkept the crystals and stuff.
(10:15):
And, um, at the time this isabout the last, probably eight
years I was living down in sandiego in north county by, uh,
carlstad village, and I wassurfing a lot and and one day I
got out of the water and I foundthis mangled quarter inch tube
of copper tubing and I thought,wow, it just looks so cool.
It was oxidized, it lookedgreen and I'm like, wow, this is
really powerful.
(10:35):
And I thought, what am I goingto do with this?
So I kept it.
And then someone just said, hey,try one of those bullets.
The little crystal points in it.
So I did put it in there.
I was like, ok, but then when Ireally started happening, when
I put one on each end, I kind ofterminated them, double
terminated, and then when Ifinished that I was like, wow,
these are different.
Like I don't know, I would hangon to it and I'd get grounded,
(10:56):
like, wow, there's something tothis.
I started feeling it.
In other words, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's so interesting , how that started.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's funny because we always so.
In fact, I even said this theother day to Nicole.
I said sometimes good thingstake a long time and then great
things happen all at once.
Good things take a long timeand then great things happen all
at once.
And you know, with that, withthat copper, um, and I'm sure
you'll talk more about it thanyou know, you probably have a
lot more subject matterknowledge than I do of it.
But you know copper we've eventalked about it before it's a
(11:37):
conductor, right.
So you know you look at at the,at the rods, and I know for
sure you'll go more in-depthinto it.
But the copper is part of aconducting.
And then you've got quartz, andquartz is obviously used in a
whole variety of things as faras how memory is stored and
things of that nature,especially big time in the
(11:59):
paranormal, when it comes to,well, ghosts, there's a lot of
people that can argue thatparanormally, paranormally, does
that work?
yeah we'll go with that, yeahthat there's a, there's a I'm
with it, I'm okay, um, and ifit's not, I'm coining it right
now.
And also, by the way, you needto make sure you trademark, uh,
(12:19):
spirit ammo, because I'm prettysure there's a band out there.
Yeah, no kidding, that is akick-ass name, but anyway, I
know it's so cool.
But anyway, getting back to it,you know the rare earth, not
rare earth, but the earth hasprovided some very natural
things for that.
But anyway, I'll let you goahead because you're the subject
matter expert.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know I'm with you , I'm learning as I go too.
You know I'm with you, I'mlearning as I go too.
And honestly, I knew nothingabout.
I mean, I knew about thesethings and they were powerful
when I'd wear them, but when Istarted taking around with the
copper, uh, that's when itreally shifted for me.
So then when I started doing sothis is a this is kind of a
thinner rod, almost about thesize of this it's about.
It was about quarter inch rod.
I don't have any left.
I gave them all away.
Start happening was was havethese experiences with them and
(13:07):
be like huh, so I'd give one tomy friend hey, hang on to this
and pray for surf, because wewould hang on to them.
And, like you know, when you'rea surfer you turn into an
addict and you got to have itevery day.
If you don't, you're like ohman, you know, you're like okay.
So you know that depends onstorms and everything else.
So we would hang on to and Ididn't my friends say, hey,
let's work together and see ifwe could get waves.
So that was kind of theoriginal intention.
But, um, I started to explore,okay, well, how big, how big
(13:30):
could I go?
Uh, as far as like diameter andsize of of the material.
So this was kind of like thesmall half inch size.
I worked up to.
Um, then I got, I got some hereI can show you.
Then this is kind of like thethree quarter inch size.
And Um, then I got, I got somehere I can show you.
Then this is kind of like thethree quarter inch size and then
I beeped it up to like the inchsize and that's when things
really started gettinginteresting.
Um, I only made a few sets andI've given my friends, like some
(13:53):
of my really good peers, tocheck out and say, hey, see if
you get some out of this.
Because what started happeningwas is where, as a tool, how
would I use it?
So I was using them at workbecause I you know I was, I was
working a lot from home, I had amajor job on the computer, so I
had a lot of electronicfrequency going on and this is
really and it started.
I started feeling, really, atthe end of the day, grounded, so
(14:15):
I was like, okay, there'ssomething to these, um, but it's
really when I startedmeditating with them that it
really started working for me umI would find that I would sit
there and they'd work and I'dstart to feel like a tingling
kind of sensation and I was like, okay, because, yeah, like it's
copper, uh, as the base and thecopper conduit, it grounds us.
(14:35):
Obviously it's a groundingforce.
You can use your feet and takeyour shoes off and put your feet
in the ground on the soil andthat will ground you as well.
But these have a different more.
It's almost like it's like aninstant voltage, like pitch,
hold you down, like wow, okay,but then that conduit, the
copper, works as that conduitwhere it's also kind of
(14:55):
grounding your frequency, yourelectromagnetic frequency.
And then the crystals come inand almost like, start
broadcasting, amplifying yourbalanced energy to the higher
dimensions.
So I like, start broadcasting,amplifying your balanced energy
to the higher, higher dimension.
So I like to say broadcast itto what I call the non-physical
or source energy.
People call it God, universe,whatever you want to call it,
but anyhow it starts to turninto that frequency.
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And then it gets interesting.
Just because it kind of youcould, I start to feel like a
relationship going on, like well, I'm not just turning to myself
, but I'm tuning into a highersort of I don't know, awareness,
I guess, if you want to call itbut right yeah yeah so.
So I started working with themand then then then the magic
really happened, like aroundthree in the morning, okay, so
(15:40):
from three in the morning to sixam, there's this time they call
the embrusial.
I don't know if you guys haveever heard of that, or heard the
term yes, we have.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Or the Dawn Hour.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's a really powerful time because the sun
isn't we're not gettingbombarded by cosmic frequency,
the sun's opposite, soeverything's dark, obviously,
but it opens up for other cosmicfrequencies that come in and
it's a really powerful time tomeditate and go into, like you
know, it's like a meditation,just to kind of tune in and pick
up frequencies that arenormally not available is the
(16:13):
way I put it.
They are.
You just have to really getinto a state.
But but at that time I startedto like oh whoa, and I started
feeling some really deepconnections and I called it the
divine mind, because it wasn'tmy thinking or thoughts or
feelings.
I was getting stuff from, like,some of my shelves and it was
really powerful, correlatingwith the rods, like, okay, these
rods are coming to you, youshould give me, start making
these, like, get these out.
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So I noticed that there was avery powerful connection during
the meditation and that's when Iwas like, wow, start to trim
the people and hey, trymeditating with them.
But you might find it's uh, itmight, it's like a booster, kind
of like a.
It grounds you and then sendsyou out to for that connection
kind of it's a you can get thereon your own as well, but
there's something about it thatreally enhances it in a way,
(16:57):
right for sure that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, but I think I explained to you at when we were
in sedona about how a lot ofpeople in the paranormal
investigators they use thecopper dowsing rods.
So it's basically the samething.
Those are my favorite tool touse because they always connect.
I always get answers, and soit's the same concept.
It's just we don't havecrystals with our dowsing rods.
(17:21):
People are starting to add thatto it, yeah, but I think it
kind of weighs it down in aweird way.
So I have mine, do not havecrystals, but it's the same
concept.
So I I totally.
When you started telling meabout that at the fair, I'm like
, yes, that makes so much sensebecause we are.
We've been using it.
People have been using it forhundreds and thousands of years
that way.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah yes, and and that's a really good point I've
actually I started doing thatwork, using them as dowsing rods
when I'm hiking, and I've beenled to some very interesting
things, so it works.
It works on that frequency toohow do you use that?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm curious how do you use them as dowsing rods,
since they're straight, so youhold them a certain like?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I have different sizes I usually use my one-inch
ones and I'll just kind of letthem.
There's like a balancing pointwhere you kind of just hold them
.
If you, if you lift, put it up,leave it on your corner finger
and just kind of there'll be apoint where it kind of just
balances.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You can kind of feel okay, kind of, just kind of
balance and they'll start tolike, like, dance a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They'll start to go like you'll see it move, and
then they'll kind of like, hey,give me a direction.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
They kind of start moving, and so what I've been
able to do is be reallysensitive to them and figure out
, okay, what's happening.
And I ask should I go that way?
And then you kind of like, youkind of get, you just kind of
gotten me that way.
I'll see like a point, okay,I'll wait for that, and then
take a reading or see, sure.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, that's interesting.
I'm going to have to try thatout.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean technically, it's, it's this,
it's the same thing.
Yeah, you're still using apivot point.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's just now, instead of it being on a handle
it's kind of like so like therods, the, the uh, the the uh
dowsing rods you're talkingabout, right, they have like a
little handle and they kind of,they kind of spin, like they
move like right, and so theseare kind of a little bit more
restricted, but they kind of dotoo, like you kind of just have
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to get them in a spot that feelsright and then just allow it to
kind of do its thing, in a waylike it will start to kind of
take over Right, and I feel likeI do better with the dowsing
rods than he does, but I usethem a lot and so they're
connected with me.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So it's just like it kind of yeah, you get that
connection with them and thenthey'll they tell me everything
and he doesn't get as much fromthat.
So yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yes, apparently I am not one with the dowsing rods.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, so that, and then
you project it and then movinginto, like the space, it totally
interacts.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
There's like a definitely interaction
Absolutely.
Well, now that I know that youcan use them that way, I'm going
to have to try that out.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's really cool.
When it gets warmer outside Iwas going to say these guys are
the Wow.
Look at those.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
These are my latest ones.
These are the oh wow inch and ahalf size.
They're like massive, and Istarted using these guys because
, like the smaller ones aregreat, but the larger ones, the
bigger the better, like I'm justlike oh man, it's just a
different frequency, like alittle bit stronger, well sure,
but they work great.
I'm really enjoyingexperimenting.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, and the thing is, and you know, obviously, you
know our, especially with ouraudience, kind of runs a gamut
of folks who are, you know, arebelievers and they're skeptical
and they're this and that, sothey're.
It kind of runs the gauntlet.
But you know, even when youlook at it from just a
scientific portion of it, thebigger you go with the copper,
(20:54):
the more conducting you get.
I mean, all you got to do islook at, like, well, I mean
basically internet, so internetall flows through what they call
an ethernet cable which is justbound up and you know it's
different lengths of of copper,you know that go to different
pins, so it's all copper there.
Um, you know, basically you'reusing copper for mo.
(21:16):
Well, I mean, I'm in the olddays and granted, I'm yeah, I'm
50, but I remember phones.
You know, before they were inyour pocket they were on.
You know they're in your well,either in your mom's room or in
the kitchen.
But if you ever looked at thephone lines they were copper.
So everything was copper and itcarries a signal.
So it makes sense to go kind ofgradual from a smaller to
(21:40):
eventually the size kind of likewhat you got there with an inch
and a half.
So I mean it makes perfectsense, yeah, moving it up and
explore like that progressiontotally.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, I probably could go bigger, but handle it.
You need like two feet.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You have to rest it on your shoulder.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You start looking like you have a baseball bat on
your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't know if you ever watched.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The Walking Dead.
But you get walking around witha baseball bat.
Yeah, that's amazing, out ofcuriosity.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, so, provided you know, someone in our
audiences reaches out and I'msure some will and they purchase
some.
What are, what are some of thetechniques?
And kind of walk them throughhow they would, you know,
utilize it for their own uses,you bet.
So I got the website going.
It's pretty awesome.
It's pretty easy, user-friendly.
You can go on there and checkthem out.
The three sizes I have are thesmall, medium and large.
Um, I'll just go with themedium ones, just because they
right here.
But what I use?
Okay.
So a lot of people say, well,you get two.
And most people say I've neverseen anything like that.
And the thing is is that I wastold by source two is important
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because it creates the circuit,it connects the circuit.
You just use one.
You could use one, two, but thetwo is almost like um, gosh,
yeah, like a wire circuit.
You need all the wires lined upand everything connects.
So it's almost like connectingthe circuits with two and
holding one in each hand.
You'll start to feel it.
(23:15):
But um, so what I do is usuallyI do it in a laying down
position, sometimes on a yogamat, sometimes on a.
When I'm in my bed at 3 in themorning I have them under my
pillow.
I'll pull them out, but thebest thing to do is whatever
you're comfortable with Eithersometimes people hike with them,
like I'll hike with them, siton a rock, or just get in a
comfortable place.
Sometimes I'll lay flat on therock, but I found mostly laying
(23:35):
down was the most effective forme.
Everybody has a differentpreference and I'd encourage you
know, explore your own, but forme it works great.
Holding them in each handlaying down, and then I kind of
keep them at my side.
I don't grip them too hard,like I'm not, like I'm just kind
of lightly grip, you know, andjust get a nice grip on them and
then just sit there and startbreathing.
I take about 10 deep breathsCould be to your mouth or nose I
(23:59):
usually do it through my nose,but there's different methods
but do about 10 deep breaths andthen after that I can kind of
feel like, well, okay, I feellike a kind of a grounding
sensation, but a little tinglingstarts to kind of come out.
And so then I know, okay,usually I'll say a little
blessing or a prayer.
I call it the divineintelligence.
I say, hey, this is amazing,thank you for this opportunity,
(24:22):
thank you for all my gifts.
I'm so grateful, whatever'sgoing on.
But then what I do is I reachout to the infinite expansion.
I just say something likeinfinite expansion.
I call upon this frequencysignal to flow into my being.
And as soon as I say flow, Ifeel this like electro pulse
(24:43):
come through.
It goes through my whole body.
I can feel it bouncing aroundmy whole.
It's it's, it's a, it's a softfrequency and but it first it's
like electric and then it likecalms down to be this really
light kind of a buzz, and andthen I kind of say, okay, I let
it fill me up, and then I sendit back out.
I say I'll say I send this backout into the universe and thank
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you for this frequency, thankyou for allowing me to
experience this.
And then I just kind of sitthere.
Now sometimes I'll put them onmy.
Wherever I'm feeling energylike, I'll put them on my third
eye sometimes I'll put it on mychest.
I'll lay them on there as I'mgoing into the meditation,
because when I'm grounded anddialed in, then I go into that
meditative mode.
You know, this is only.
This is going on for like 20,25 minutes, but it's enough
(25:26):
where, all of a sudden, all thisand meditation is interesting
because the word is, there's alot of meaning to it, right,
basically, if we can get out ofour thoughts, we're meditating
this list of focus on the abyssand not thinking on stuff, and
you'll get into that meditationmode.
And that's when, all of a sudden, something might come through
and I call I've been calling itthe divine mind.
(25:48):
To be honest, it could beanything, but I feel like it's
coming from some divinelyoriented source, because the
information that I get isdifferent.
It's like inspiring.
It's like, all of a sudden,something that I may have
thought of the day before, say asculpture or a project.
I want to do it creatively.
I'll just get this amazinginsider solution on how to
finish it or how to like goabout doing it, instructional,
(26:11):
whatever it is.
This information comes induring that process.
It's different than if I'msitting there going oh okay,
what can I do?
Or how do I do this?
It's just a differentconnection, I feel.
So after that I kind of it'skind of like when I do the
readings too, it I kind of it'skind of like when I do the
readings too.
It's like when you're done.
You just kind of know you'redone.
It's like doing the dishes.
You finish the dishes andyou're kind of like, oh, I'm
(26:31):
done with the dishes, Likesqueeze the sponge out, put it
away.
You know that's kind of howthis is too.
You kind of come out of it andyou kind of feel like, well, I
got something really strong'skind of, and on the website and
stuff, I give a little bitinstruction on there, like you
know a couple of different steps, how to go through it, if you
wanted to, and just kind of somemore information on there to
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handle Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, and you know you said something that makes a
lot of sense and I know Nicolewas 100 percent in agreement
here.
I think, as a, as a, as aculture and as a people, we have
forgotten how to unplug.
Yes, absolutely, you know.
We've forgotten that, um, kindof what they say zoning out.
It's not that you're.
You know it's very healthy, youknow it.
(27:17):
It resets the mind, it does alot of different things that
that we just don't benefit fromanymore.
And taking that, taking thattime to kind of hit the pause
button, you know, put the, putthe phone down, put the, you
know the ipad and everythingaway, of course I say that and
I'm one of the worst people atit oh, totally, totally but I
(27:39):
know it is easier said than done, yes, but making time for um,
making time for yourself andyour spirituality is very
important.
It doesn't really matter youknow what your belief structure
is, especially when it comes to,like, you know, obviously,
religion and things of thatnature.
What matters is taking thatopportunity to connect with what
(27:59):
you feel, not just on aphysical level, but on a
metaphysical level, what youfeel not just on a on a physical
level, but on a metaphysicallevel, and, um, I think as a, as
a species, we have completelymissed the boat on that.
Oh, yeah, uh, especially in thelast, you know, ooh, especially
in the last like 20 years, um,maybe, even maybe even further
(28:20):
back, but, um, you know, we'vemissed the opportunity to, to
get in touch, and I think that'sthat of what we're missing as a
species that helps us connectto what we're here for.
I could probably talk for eighthours about this.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, our ancestors knew how to do all this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Our ancestors knew how to do this and we've
forgotten it, or the knowledgewas specifically kept from us,
right, but I think it's coming,coming back and I and I love
that that we're starting tolearn how to do it again.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, and I'll tell you straight up, when I was
growing up, you know, even being, even having the culture that I
have, even I was like whateverdude, don't just be, you're like
you're.
You know you're a freak.
When you're young, you don'tthink about you're like you're.
You know you're a freak.
Well, and you're young, youdon't think about it.
And then, as you get older, yourealize no, it's true.
Well, you know capricious youth, you know I was.
(29:14):
I'll be honest with you, I wasshithead then, so I'm probably
destined to be a shitheadforever.
But, um, but no, I think that'ssomething that we have missed.
And I think using using um,divination tools and all these
other different things, yeah toto somebody who's not sort of
doing that on a day-to-day basis, or has not been, I guess,
(29:38):
hasn't been introduced to it.
This isn't like some woo-woothing.
This is something that humanitydid long ago.
In fact, there are stillcultures that very much so do it
.
Now they do, and we are justwe're the ones that are far
behind.
Oh yeah, we're playing catch upnow.
We're playing catch up now.
So, yeah, obviously, hats offto you for number one, for
(30:01):
having the foresight as a human.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, it took an artist to do it.
It took an artist, that's rightthat third eye, right?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, um, you know, I just think it's it's imperative
that that folks look at thesethings from a different lens.
You know, and it's really easyfor us because obviously we've
got this paranormal thing on topof us and we always we dabble
in the woo, woo, but, you know,when it comes right down to it,
you know, it's important thatpeople understand that this is
(30:34):
not one of those things.
It's based in not onlymetaphysics, but it's also based
in physics and science.
So, but, yeah, it's fantastic.
Again, I could probably talkforever about this, so I'm going
to, and he will, will, I will.
It's a good thing we have apodcast.
So, um, now we talked a littlebit about, um, the metaphysics,
(30:55):
and I can see behind you, you'vegot the reiki.
Um, this is like the chakracenters, right, exactly.
Do you want to kind of coverthat a little bit for some of
the folks that might haveinterest in that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So when I do, ok, you touched on a really important
piece and something I wanted toshare was that the modality I
call the modality that I usevibrational maintenance, because
you're right, we live in aculture where things are moving
very quickly.
Things are moving very quicklyand and and as far as like
(31:30):
information is a touch of abutton in your pocket computer
and your in the phone, in yourin your pocket, can send you to
the moon man.
So you know, as a tool gosh, wehave all this information at our
, at our, at our, at our handsbut as a deeper culture and
awareness of evolution, likeexpansion.
Expansion If we get too stuckon it, we get to.
(31:50):
You know, we lose that other.
We almost not necessarily abuseit, but overuse it.
I guess it'd be a great word.
So vibrational maintenance,it's about okay, we have cars,
we have houses, we have families, we all have things we have to
maintain.
Our bodies kind of get left outbecause our culture doesn't
really get into.
Oh, here are the tools to helpyourself.
(32:11):
They don't want us to know that, they want to keep us in fear
and they want to keep usdangling the carrot.
But we're smarter than that andwe can stop them in their
tracks and say no, you know, Ihave the power to heal myself.
I believe and work on mybeliefs and change my change,
become who I truly am.
I believe and work on mybeliefs and change my change,
become who I truly am.
And so, like, these tools forvibrational maintenance help
(32:33):
that in the sense that theyassist.
When you start, when you startto raise your vibration, it gets
.
It starts to climb and climband climb.
Uh, an amazing, uh, uh.
I guess inspirational personout there these days, abraham
Hicks, he made a part of her.
She talks about it and you geton the sideline disc and it's
like, yeah, you raise yourvibration high enough.
You reach this certain pointwhere the typical things don't
(32:55):
apply to you anymore.
Like you're like, hey, not, Idon't know, like typical
societal things, you just reacha different place where you're
seeing things differentlybecause you've shifted your
vibration, you kind of steppedinto who you truly are and
that's, I think, something inour culture.
Like you're saying we'veforgotten how to do it because
we've lost touch of what we'reall passionate about.
Everything costs so much money.
(33:17):
You're working five jobs justto cover your family or do
whatever.
Who has time to step into whothey truly are?
Exactly Agreed?
I think that's really the basisof it is like saying, hey, who
am I now?
And understanding who that is,and vibrationally you might be
there, but getting up to speedwith that takes a different kind
of approach.
So the cards, these tools, thecard readings are interesting
(33:38):
because when I do the readingsit's a form of divination.
It's an oracle deck, likethere's tarot and all these
other forms, but this form ismore of an internal represent, I
guess, perspective on kind ofseeing what's going on with your
thoughts and yourselfinternally.
And then you, like, I'm kind ofthe guide when I do the
(33:59):
readings with the people.
I don't, I don't give too muchinformation because I think
again, it's like a power thing.
When you go to the god, the guruor whatever, you're giving your
power away to somebody else,which is cool, but it's not if
it leaves you hanging, like alot of these guys or gals will
leave you hanging.
And so this modality goesinward and keeps you stuck in,
like not stuck, but like focusedon your inward things, that you
(34:22):
have the power to heal yourselfI guess the guide did show you
to get there.
I'd show you the threshold.
But to heal yourself, I I guessthe guide did show you to get
there, I'd show you thethreshold.
But and source works for me tooI I channel information, but a
lot of the cards I can kind of.
I don't know if you can see them, but a lot of them have like
colors on them and stuff, heatcolors, and so I put up the
shopper chart because I haveanother little one I share with
people.
It's because during thereadings, when they get a card,
(34:43):
I will talk about what they see.
Obviously they, they, I deal acard, they look at the card,
they tell me what they see fromthe card and I'm writing it down
, logging it down, and at theend I show them how I bridge it
to them.
Okay, this is what's going onwith you.
They don't even tell me.
I can just, I just pull it outand just extract it out.
Hey, this is what's going onwith you.
You're doing something I couldtell them.
I can't tell them what jobthey're doing because I'm like,
(35:05):
based on these colors, because alot of the colors like there'll
be a lot of blue or a lot ofred, and, okay, you need more
grounding, energy or you needyou're working with a lot of
people, you're using a lot ofyour throat chakra, you're
communicating and this is reallyimportant.
Yeah, so the colors really playout throughout the readings, as
(35:30):
well as, okay, centers thatthey may need work on or that
are in balance.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You know from whatever's going on, emotional
or intellectual processes in ourculture?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yep, absolutely so in a nutshell, it's about getting
the viewer to go inward and heal, show them how to use their
intuition and their own power toheal themselves, instead of
giving it away or saying, oh,how do I do this, it's just a
practice.
It's always the more wepractice, the better we get at
anything right power to healthemselves, instead of giving it
away or saying, oh, how do I dothis, because it's just a
practice.
It's always the more wepractice, the better we get
anything right like so that'swhy I put this up here?
(35:54):
because when people go see that,they go.
What is that?
What does that mean?
But these?
This is the root chakra, the umsacral, the solar plexus, the
heart, the throat, the third eyeor head crown, uh, head chakra,
and then the crown at the top,uh, where?
most of this is based on thesanskrit, uh, hindu religion, I
believe, where at the top.
Then it goes into there'sanother four or five, I believe,
(36:16):
um, astral planes where shockposts go, like outside, our
actual is our outside, thephysical being, the spirit being
as couple, but anyhow.
So this is kind of moretraditions.
You see this a lot, but a lotof people don't know and they
don't know what that means, orthey don't know what the colors
or chakras are.
I think the word can be alittle misleading.
Basically it's just energycenters.
(36:37):
We all have them, they're withinour bodies and they become
imbalanced and that's when weneed to do the work, and that's
when we need to do the workRight.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Perfect explanation, it is perfect, short and sweet
and it makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I think short and sweet is what people want these
days.
They don't want a whole bunchof hooligan or woo-woo crap.
They're like okay, just tell methe straightforward, what is
this?
You know yeah, because thenthey just turn away.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
They're like eh.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah.
Exactly, it's yeah, exactly,and it's just like it's
absolutely true we come from ourego, we turn people away, but
when we come from our heart,there's a heart connection that
we feel and that people feel,and that's the other thing I was
going to share is that Ibelieve that our planet's
shifting from ego, fear-basedenergy to a higher, love-based,
heart-based frequency.
The heart has a brain too, theybrain too.
(37:28):
They found, which is crazy, likeyou know.
So, going through that now wecame through business, through
everything.
It's, it's more of a communitybase.
It's not the me, me, me, me methat we're seeing all these days
that that's gonna crash prettyquick.
It's, it's how do?
I work together how do I workwith you?
How do I?
How do we win?
Win not.
Oh, I'm screwing you to make a.
It's only for today, you know.
Like that philosophy philosophy.
I feel like is flushing downthe toilet.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, yeah, and it should, and I think that here's
one of my and this is such mucha deeper conversation.
But, especially when it comesto information, my belief has
been and I will go to my mortal,my mortal end, believing this.
When I was growing up,information was valuable.
(38:10):
You had to work your ass off toget information, whether that's
an encyclopedia or going toschool.
When you got a piece ofinformation, it was incredibly
valuable to you, so you neversquandered that information.
And right now there'sinformation overload so
everybody can get at the flashof a button, get every little
(38:33):
bit of information they have nowwith you know, with AI and all
these other things.
And listen, I, I use AI, I havea technical job and we know
when I'm not doing this.
Um, I utilize all the samethings that everybody else
utilizes.
But I remember, and I come froma time where it was so
difficult to get thatinformation and people made
(38:54):
millions.
They became, you know, theRockefellers, they became all
these other people because theyhad the information that other
people didn't.
And I think we have.
We have totally dropped theball and my generation's
probably, for the most part,responsible for it because we
(39:15):
ushered in the information ageand said hey guys, we're going
to make everything so mucheasier for you, thinking that
that would expand things, thatwould make it.
The problem is we didn'trealize that human nature is to
do it the easiest way possible.
And then, all of a sudden,you've got a lot of people that
don't understand how to, howimportant information is and
using, you know, reeking, usingall these other things, because
(39:39):
all that information is is notavailable on the internet and
it's not available on, you know,on Instagram.
Yes, you get the information,but to tap into it requires
something from you.
You know it requires you to behere now, and I think that's
ultimately the most importantpoint to that.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yes, in the present, for sure, yeah you know, put
down that device put down thatthat addiction to the
information almost to say, okay,what's going on?
Yeah, for sure, like you coulduse that, but then, okay, put it
away and now go into here anddo your meditation or whatever.
Like keep it balanced rightthen?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
well, and they don't understand the difference
between I say they, there'speople in my generation to do
the same damn thing, but theydon't understand the difference
between I say they, there'speople in my generation that do
the same damn thing, but theydon't understand the difference
between a crutch and a tool.
You got to understand thatthere's a, there's a variation.
If it's a crutch, then you'releaning too much on it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
If it's a tool.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
a tool has a place that can be put away a place
that can be put away.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, one of my favorite quotes from our
daughter is you know, obviouslyshe's in college, so she's at
that age where the phone has gotto be on 24 7 you know, but the
funny thing is, I'm like whatwould happen if you had to go
back to like just even early1990 and live, you know?
and she's like I wouldn'tsurvive five minutes?
Yeah, just like, isn't that?
Yeah, I mean, that's the way Ithink.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm like it wasreally nice not having to like,
and she's like I wouldn'tsurvive five minutes.
Yeah, just like.
Yeah, isn't that fascinating?
(41:06):
Yeah, and I'm like it wasreally nice not having to
constantly check your phone.
You just lived your life.
You didn't have to worry aboutaccountability constantly.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Well, and I think they were given a very.
I mean, I listen to a lot ofdifferent podcasts and stuff
like that, but now I listened tosmart list the other day with
Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, allthose guys but Will Arnett said
something that I thought wasreally interesting with his kids
, he's and, I guess, guys I knowthis is way off the path, but
(41:39):
it kind of isn't either Um, hebasically said with his kids
that the more they, the morethat they are not virtual.
He gives them more freedom inthe real world and less freedom
virtually.
So, like when they were 16, hewould not give them rights to,
or rights, the ability to usesome of the social platforms,
(41:59):
but if they were to want to dosomething out in the real world,
he found himself giving them alot more flexibility, and I
think that's much more importantto.
Honestly, I found that reallykind of well.
I took that to heart.
That was really quite poignant.
So, again, it's just anotherone of those.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
be here now for yeah, how we use that information I'm
going to step off this box.
For sure you hit on a reallygood point too.
Is man like in the lab?
We look back at the last 75years doesn't seem like a lot of
time.
We're just talking like the 50still now.
Dude, the, the phone, the phone.
It's expanded so muchexponentially that it's like
(42:40):
it's just a matter of timebefore we're going to be like
hologramming each other.
Oh, I know Probably alreadythere now you know, I'm sure it
is, it's fascinating, mm-hmm.
Well, and they've got In oneperspective.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, go ahead.
What I was going to say.
I remember watching like, wasit Big Bang, where they had a
virtual presence or a oh Anyway,where Sheldon's running around
there with his virtual oh yeah,I mean, would not surprise me
one bit if you know that dudewho's on TV a lot and you know
(43:14):
I'm not going to say his name,but he has those electric cars
and anyway he's developing thosesort of things and in my
personal opinion, sure he isthat is going to be something
that, first of all, is veryfrightening and I mean people
are going to eat that up andanyway, long story short, so
(43:35):
your odds, I'm just kidding.
I could speak like I said.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
It's something that I will go on forever about what I
get from the conversation Ithink it's a really important
thing is that we're here now,and in the next five years it's
going to seem like 20 yearsbecause the advances that are
going to come it's like thempitching us the PC, the personal
computer.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Everybody thought oh, the crazy world's going to want
that shit, but now we can'tlive without it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We've got all these devices and everything running
off it.
I know these guys talk aboutlike oh, you know, you're gonna
have this bot in your house,it's gonna do everything and
you're just gonna hang out.
It's gonna go get and they'regonna be making services and
goods and you're like I knowwhat, and they're like you're
gonna be doing.
You're getting universal income.
Why do you care?
I'm like going what like who'sthat's?
Does nobody else see theproblem in this?
Like I don't know?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
it's by design, of course, but it's a synthesis
right, but it's like the jetsonshas come to life oh yeah I can
think I was like that's watchingthe jetsons.
I'm like that will never happenin my lifetime, but it very
well could.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Sorry, we're starting to see it like flying cars is
only a couple years out fromthat, you know, yeah, like drone
cars, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And we stay home, get to Sedona instead of an hour.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
You know, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Oh yeah, no kidding God, we'd live in Sedona and
work out here if we could dothat.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Seriously.
Just that's what I'm waitingfor.
The teleportation I can justzoom right in there.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
But we say all this to say that, utilizing what you
have, you know, with thechanneling rods, you know we've
kind of gone through this whole,you know, interesting journey
to come back to.
It's important to learn how tochannel yourself, to take, yeah,
the tool that you provide to,to find that centering.
(45:29):
You know, I don't think we'relost as a species to not be able
to come back to it, and I thinkyou're right, I think a lot of
people are starting to.
Yes, you know, make no mistakeabout it, sedona is absolutely
busy.
It is jam-packed all the timenow, granted, probably not
during the winter, but no, youknow it is it is it now too, is
(45:52):
it?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
yeah it's becoming all year out, which is great.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, okay and a lot of people don't realize that the
reason a lot of that is isbecause of this.
You know, a lot of people aregoing to the mountains.
A lot of people is is becauseof this.
You know, a lot of people aregoing to the mountains, a lot of
people are going hiking,they're going to the, to the art
shows and the craft shows, andthe red rock means something.
There's something in there whenit comes to sort of like these
(46:17):
hotspots and being able toaccess things that they've not
able to access, you know,whether it be in the Midwest or
wherever you're at, so it'simportant to have tools like
yours, you know, available andobviously Sedona being it's a
special place.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, there is a special feeling there and once
you go, once like for me it'sjust a connection now and I want
to just keep going back and ifI could live there I would.
But yeah, like we saidpreviously, we can't afford to,
but I just I, I adore it, likethere's just a connection and
you just feel it on a spirituallevel yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I well, when I moved away and I was living in San
Diego, I I got, I was laid offand I was in this position like,
oh god, what next?
Like holy cow.
But I could hear a source goingokay, it's time for you to step
into who you truly are.
I'm like, okay, well, if I stayin California, I have to work a
full-time job in RY, or maybetwo, you know.
And when am I going to havetime to do this?
(47:18):
So I was going through thiswhole process and it's funny
because one of the things I tellpeople it's like okay, if
you're in the Popsicle business,you're not going to move to
Alaska to sell your Popsicles,you're going to move somewhere
where people are buying their.
Popsicle and artists kind ofthink that way too.
You know you kind of have to.
So I knew like this card decktook me about 22 years to make.
(47:41):
I mean I had it done, buthonestly, intellectually I was
there, but emotionally it tookme many years to get up to speed
with what the hell who actuallywas and what this was about and
what I was going to be doing.
And so once I reached that pointwhere I was like, all right,
Source, I had three options.
It was like go back to OjaiOjai's kind of a really
spiritual community, artistcommunity as well but again it's
uberly expensive.
(48:02):
So it's like, all right, wheredo I go?
And then all of a sudden Iheard Sedona.
Again.
I was like that's it, Becausepeople are coming.
It's like go to the place whereyou can sell.
People are coming to a hotspotfor this type of information.
They're wanting this kind ofhealing or have come before and
want to revisit.
They're taking their personaljourneys to have an experience
out here and that's why theycome here and and that's why
(48:26):
they come.
So you're right, people come toto connect, to feel the energy.
There's a lot of curious people.
It has changed a lot.
Um, I'm sure you guys have beenin out there during the 90s or
prior, but oh I did, yeah, Iwasn't, yeah it changed pretty
heavily.
I was even amazed, coming back,how much it changed.
I was like whoa, it's just,it's kind of more underground,
all that kind of stuff moreunderground, which is totally
cool because you could still getit, it's still accessible and
(48:48):
still figure out what's there.
And maybe it needed to gothrough that process just to
kind of wean out and just kindof get more grounded and deeper
into it, I guess.
But you're right.
There isn't a slow I guess youcan kind of say a slower time,
but it's still hundreds of carsparked at the trailhead.
I mean you're just like, wow,okay, it used to kind of like be
(49:08):
an issue, but it's not becauseyou talk to all these people.
They're all enjoying the samething and most of them just go
about a half a mile or a mile inand turn around, so you're not
going to see anybody if you goway out there, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No right, if you find yourself in Flagstaff, you went
too far.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, I will say though like every time we've
been there, there's never anunhappy person in Sedona.
I've never met an unhappyperson.
They're always relaxed,enjoying the day, and it's so
great to see that and to feelthat.
I mean you can feel people'sauras when you're around them
(49:44):
and what kind of mood they're inand you always just feel peace
and you feel happy and it's justa very special place,
absolutely totally, and one ofthe things I was really digging
on are those shows, those littleart craft shows you guys, where
we met, because they're just,they're more of a raw outlet.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
It's not like a store .
It's kind of more of a like anot necessarily carnival.
It's more of like a differentkind of experience, different
kind of setting.
But you, just from being avendor there and doing it, it's
really amazing because you getto just so many people that have
never seen stuff like this andwant to are interested.
It's just, it's just openingmore and more and more people up
to what, what else is out thereis like as a healing tool
(50:22):
available, an available tool asyou expand your own awareness or
your own person, your own being.
Right, exactly, and I thinkwe're going to see more and more
tools like this being developedas we move forward.
People are stepping up andrealizing yeah, we're evolving.
We need these kind of tools toeducate and to resonate with, to
utilize 100%.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I know, at least in theparanormal community this is
going to be a big thing.
I think, oh, yeah, yeah, Oncepeople start using them and
learn.
I mean because, yeah, wehaven't really used them on an
investigation yet, but I'mtrying to figure out exactly how
to go about that, but I'mexcited to try what it does.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
I'm excited to try what it does.
It's because there's a lot toit that it brings in a lot of
different things when it comesto doing actual investigations,
because copper, that's going tohelp conduct for spiritual and
quartz, yeah.
So it's like bringing in alightning rod.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I'm curious about using it during, like an Estes
session which, if you want toexplain to him, he may not know.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Are you familiar with it?
What an Estes method?
Estes method it's hard to sayit all at one time.
No so in the paranormalcommunity Developed at the
Stanley Hotel Right, which iswhy it's called.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Estes Estes Park.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
And we know the, we of, by, by second nature, know
the people that developed it andand kind of brought it to.
But what they do is kind of asensory deprivation.
So they cover their eyes andthen they wear noise canceling
headphones and they put thisthing called an SB7 box or it
could be anything that does kindof the sweeping back of radio
(52:05):
and in doing that they can hear.
You know, the thought is,spirits can utilize that to say
words, to actually communicate.
But you'll find that most of thepeople oh yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And one part you know , one person will ask the
questions, Right, and they can'thear what you're saying, and
then they.
What the belief is is thatspirits can then talk through
the radio into the personwearing the headphones and
answer the question.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yes.
What she said, yeah, and thething is, you'll find a lot of
people that do this.
They hold crystals.
They still things Number one toprotect themselves and also to
help them channel and get someof that information, yeah,
connect higher.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
So with these I'm thinking it's just going to
majorly boost that.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, we've got a friend.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, we've got a friend that I'm going to put
these in her hand, and she'svery well known for this.
Yeah, she's awesome at SDsession.
I'll have to send you to theirpage and have you check it out
afterwards, but I can't wait.
I'll see her use these.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Absolutely Well, greg .
I think we're going to move in,so we'll be there probably in
about what a few days, and we'vegot some dogs.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
We've got a place for you.
We'll keep you guys in thehouse.
We'll head to the site that wasgood you guys, recalibrate it.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
But before we get to do that, let's do this.
Let's go ahead and tell ouraudience where they can find you
, kind of everything that you'redoing, and how they can catch
up with you.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Sure, first and foremost, probably the website's
the best way.
It's just wwwgreatbrassanticom.
Maybe we can put it in thenotes later or somehow you guys
do it, but it's really easy.
I go in there and it's prettyuser-friendly.
It talks a lot about theproduct information, what the
cards are, about, how to use thecards.
I basically put the guidebookon there.
(53:59):
There's a shop you can pointand click.
It's all set up.
Use your credit card, I ship itout, it's all included in the
price.
So it's kind of cool.
You don't have to dig aroundwith all these prices and
tag-ons, but everything'sincluded tax, everything, and
then I send them out.
So it's I have about.
(54:20):
I think there's 10 of each onit on there.
Hey, it sold out.
It takes me a minute that it'sa hands-on, organic process.
They're made in the usa.
All the products come from theusa.
The crystal never got to tellyou.
They come from mines inarkansas.
I mean, they're hand-selectedjewelry grade points.
They're not just like thrown ina box or picked out.
You know they're really nicepoints.
So that adds to the quality aswell.
But, um, yeah, the website'sthe best.
(54:42):
And then, if you're in Sedona,there's only four shows
happening this season for thespring season.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Every month there's one this weekend Hang on, hang
on.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It's two plus three, but there'll be one in March,
April and May, Probably aroundthe holidays, like there's one
probably around Mother's Day inMay, Probably around the Easter
weekend in April, and then MarchI'm not sure maybe the middle
of March, but usually there'slike 12.
So we're hoping maybe in thefall there'll be a little bit
more schedule.
They're usually about 10 to 12in the fall, so we'll see if
(55:17):
that's better, but that's theother way you can find me.
And then in Sedona there'slet's see, I don't have any
storefronts right now, butthey're coming.
I'm going to be setting upaccounts.
It's kind of my business planset up more accounts and
possibly do readings at one ofthe locations there.
I'm not quite sure yet.
Eventually I'd like to set upmy own reading room, but that's
coming later.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
So lots happening.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
That's right now, with the best I'd like the
website to be the best Perfectthe best.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Why the website be the best, perfect, great.
We're just going to pause.
First, our dog's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
He wants to say something.
Don't forget your pets.
They work great on your pets.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, I know, here we are talking about pets and yet
ours go absolutely shit crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Probably a delivery at the door.
Just we'll wait for a second.
Give it a second Done.
Hang on, I'm going to noworries, just we'll wait for a
second until she give it asecond done.
Hang on, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
no worries okay, hey, you shut up.
Oh no, you don't see what Imean.
I get yelled at all the timehere.
Um, anyway, this will make agreat outtake, by the way.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's really natural with you guys, Like it's just a
nice smooth process.
There's like being ourselves.
It's you could be.
I feel like I could be myself.
It's been really greatexperience, so I really
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
For sure, really happy to do it.
Other than that, greg, it'sbeen, it's been great having you
on.
Obviously, having met you, we,we knew we wanted to have you on
and I think that I think whatyou're doing is is so important,
and I think it's important notjust in paranormal, but it's
important like we talked about,you know, just for for, for
(57:01):
being able to center and beingable to be us.
It's for being able to centerand being able to be us, you
know.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm so excited to get this outand to share this with people
that we know, because I thinkit's going to make a huge
difference in the field, forsure.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Well, I really appreciate that too.
Thanks so much for consideringme and having me on.
It's so nice to have theopportunity.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, I mean just it was we were lucky.
Yeah, just ran on to mean justit was we were lucky.
Yeah, just ran onto you and itwas, it was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
It's serendipitous.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah Well, greg, again, thank you so much, and
we're going to go ahead and letyou, let you get back to your
evening and we certainlyappreciate you being on Sounds
great.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Thank you guys too.
I'm so grateful and listen,come back and hook me up.
Hook up with me.
We'll take you out to a couplesites.
We'll get you guys back inthere.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Oh for sure, absolutely, you can count on
that.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Sounds good Okay.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
All right, guys, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Thanks so much, bye, bye, have a great night Take
care you.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
You need to go out there and get these.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, they are awesome.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Greg, thanks for coming on.
Yeah, thank you so much.
It was just meant to be meeting, I think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
I think so Serendipitous.
As we said, yes, but you knowwe have yet to use these in a
paranormal investigation, but wehave used them.
Otherwise we get you definitelyget the feels.
There's a lot to it, but moreimportantly, it's all about
intent.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Remember that, and Greg had some great information
like all the things that he hasfor sale there and how to use
these rods, and you can reachout to him as well.
(58:51):
Yeah, in there, um, he'sobviously, you can see, super
nice guy is willing to helpanybody, and I highly, and
that's really cool, because hedidn't have the great big one.
No, he didn't.
At the show we got the mediumsize ones, um, which are easier
to kind of hold, at least for mysmall hands, which is why I
picked these.
But those big ones, can youimagine what they do?
(59:12):
That's so cool.
Yeah, they're going to bepretty amazing.
That may be a later purchase atsome point in time, but, yeah,
definitely hook up with them,check them out, and we'll try to
keep updates on when weactually do some investigations
with them and see what they do.
And I plan on putting these inthe hands of someone very
(59:33):
special when she does a nastysession, and I'm curious to see
what that happens.
And I think you know who youare.
Yeah, you know who you are.
So but, yeah, thank you so much, greg.
It was great meeting you andhopefully we can have you back
someday.
But definitely, guys, go checkthese out.
And he's got other art as well,if these are not what you're
interested in, even the oraclecards, which are all photographs
(59:56):
that he has taken on the oraclecard.
So, yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
He's really approachable.
Guys reach out to him and yeah,thanks for watching.
Yeah, well, see you next week.
Thank you.
It just came to me to do it.
I don't know what inspired meto do it.
I was inspired, I think I wasout on the land a lot.
I was doing these they callthem mountain tours where they
were doing jeeps with people.
I learned a lot of thechaparral and the primitive
technologies and native plantsand so I'd do these tours to
locals that would come andanyhow I'd be out there showing
them all the stuff.
And then one day I found abunch of casings and I was like
(00:21):
what am I going to do with these?
But I found a crystal mine inArkansas and set up some
accounts with them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They started shipping me some things, and so I
started playing around puttingthe crystals in the casings.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's like a piece.
The casing had that energy, soit's like I use a lot of found
objects.
What I particularly findinteresting is the imprint of
memory on the object so so Well,hey, everybody Welcome back hey
(01:28):
everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm Logan and I'm Nicole and we're Generation X
Paranormal.
So we have a great show.
I always say that, but we do so.
As some of you folks know somemaybe that don't I'm from
Arizona and we went to visit myfamily in October and this was
October of 2024.
So I don't know when you'relistening to this or watching it
(01:49):
, but that was when it was, andwe were there for quite a while.
We were almost there for amonth, yeah.
But it was a good time and howwe kind of ended it.
We wanted to take a trip up toSedona and we're going up there
to just do what most people doin Sedona check out all the cool
stuff and the hike andeverything.
And if you're into the woo-woo,the cool woo-woo stuff, it's
(02:10):
the best place for it.
It is the best place for it.
But in doing so, we were alittle ahead of my sister who
was going to join us there, andyou know what you do in any
other town you drive around fora little bit aimlessly looking
for something to do, and westumbled across a arts and
crafts place.
Yeah, arts and crafts fair, alittle fair.
So when we did, we met thegentleman we're about to
(02:33):
interview.
What can you tell us about GregBressani?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So Greg is an artist and he lives in Sedona and he
does multiple mediums of art,which are metal sculpture,
charcoal drawing, intuitivereadings and digital arts.
But the thing we're mainly hereto talk to him today about was
something that we bought fromhim.
Sure did, yeah, and they arecalled crystal channeling rods,
(02:58):
and we will get into that as wetalk to Greg.
Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
He's so cool.
Wait till you get to meet him.
Yeah, let's talk to Greg.
Well, I can't wait.
He's so cool.
Wait till you get to meet him.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, let's talk to Greg.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Well, hey, Greg, how you doing.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hi guys, I'm doing great.
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , so kind of a long story short.
What is October?
We were out in Arizona and I'moriginally from Arizona.
We would definitely want to goup to Sedona and because, of
course, sedona is gorgeous andthere's so much and I love
Sedona Right, we love Sedona.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If you didn't need to knock over a major bank to live
there, we may actually be there, but we went to a really cool
gosh.
What was it Just basically like?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We were waiting for your sister and our nephews to
get there and we spotted thelittle art arts and crafts thing
yeah.
And we stopped in and that'swhere we met you, Greg.
That's right.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So, greg, if you don't mind, we'll.
We'll kind of get into thewhole meat and potatoes of
everything, but if you could,for our audience, just sort of
give us like a very high flyoverof kind of who you are and
what's kind of got you to thispoint.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, you bet, Originally I'm an artist.
I've been working in thismedium of steel for about 30
years.
I learned it in high school andI just kept going with it, Went
to art school and it's kind ofduring art school that I started
having visitations, and we'lltalk about that later.
But that led me on to a wholenew series of adventures
(04:25):
exploring the.
Southwest.
I started having visitations andwe'll talk about that later.
But that led me on to a wholenew series of adventures,
exploring the Southwest and kindof understanding this whole
thing about energy andspirituality and all kinds of
things I knew nothing about.
It Kind of came up, born andraised from like a religious
background Catholic backgroundbut besides that I knew nothing
about any of this stuff.
Quick background, but uh,besides that I knew nothing
(04:47):
about any of this stuff.
So I took some trips to thesouthwest, kind of, during my
college years and discovered allthese amazing places, uh,
particularly one being sedona,and um traveled there and
eventually moved there, uh, andthat kind of kept everything in
line source from there on out,what happened.
But yeah, but like for aboutfour years I worked, um, as a
park ranger at a particular sitethere and learned so much
(05:09):
information.
It was insane, it was reallyinteresting and from there and
on it was like it was on.
So that's all, yeah it's beenquite a journey, but I'm back,
yeah, back here and, um, I'mloving it, um, it's great.
I so, yeah, so I do metalsculpture and I also do, uh,
metaphysical products as well.
Uh, being out on the land anddoing all the things I was doing
(05:30):
in the last 25 years, it kindof just developed into that and
uh, some tools that I've beenable to create and modality out
of it, but but, yeah, so I guessyou could just call me an
artist to enjoy them.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I guess, yeah, absolutely.
Uh, you know it's.
What's interesting is that, um,I went to school for art as
well.
Um, I just, I don't know, I gotinto that whole.
You know, as you get higher upinto art, when it comes to
education, they either want youto be a, a curator, or they want
you to start defining all thesedifferent things, and I'm like
(06:03):
I'm curator.
Or they want you to startdefining all these different
things and I'm like I'm.
That's just not me, you know I,I can't do that.
And if you're not a, a curatorof the Met or something like
that, you're not making a dimeanyway.
And there's only what aboutfive to 10 real big jobs out
there.
That, uh, that an art major canreally have other than what
they, what they do.
You know part of their, theirlove, and I do.
(06:23):
I guess I just had a reallyhard time defining that.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, it's challenging, for sure, to finish
your modern world, to have towork like a full-time job and do
your art job is reallychallenging.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, well, okay, um, youknow, let's kind of start kind
of getting into the, the meatand and potatoes part, because I
think there's so much there.
Um, you know, we've, we'veobviously we've talked at churn
sedona.
Now, being in arizona, and I'vealways known the mountains and
all these.
All these rocks and crystalsand all these different things
(06:58):
were very important to myculture and I'm half native, I'm
also half scottish, irish or no, scottish swedish I'm sorry i't
talk today and anyway, it'salways kind of been known
through my culture that there'sthere's an attachment to, to the
, to the earth, there's anattachment to, you know, the
attachment to all thesedifferent things, and Sedona to
(07:20):
me, has always sort of been thepinnacle of that.
Um, you know, and obviously upin that area you have all the
different vortexes and you haveall the different um, you know
all the different healing typethings out there, but there's
also a lot of high strangenessout there.
Um, there's a lot of, you know,ufology, all these other things
(07:40):
that are coming to play.
Um, so I can see kind of lendsinto some of the stuff that
you're involved with now andwe're going to.
I guess we can kind of startwith when we're in our booth.
What we picked up and I can seewhat's in front of you too are
the channeling rods.
Yeah, and we'll show ourchanneling rods here.
(08:01):
Yeah, baby Nice, yeah, they'reawesome, they are awesome.
Yeah, as, as I like to say,sometimes we're not just in the
club, we're clients too, but uh,yeah but um, no, they're
fantastic.
Um, yeah, if you can kind oftell us and I know you, you kind
of did this when we met, but um, obviously our audience hasn't
had the benefit of that.
So if you can kind of startwith why the rods and kind of
(08:25):
how you came up with that, yeah,you bet.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So around 2012, I was living kind of in the Ojai area
, ventura, santa Barbara County.
There of California I had movedon from Sedona, went out to
study the Chumash culture ofCalifornia there, particularly
rock art styles.
I was blown away by aparticular rock art style of
Bautista and Sedona thatmirrored some of the ones that
(08:48):
were in the California area.
So I went out there.
Anyhow, I started getting intoit.
I have something here.
I started making their cultspirit, ammos and their bullets
bullet casings with crystals putinside and it just came to me
to do it.
I don't know what to do and Iwas inspired.
I think I was out on the land alot.
(09:09):
I was doing these they callthem mountain tours, where they
were doing jeeps with people.
I learned a lot of thechaparral and the primitive
technologies and native plantsand so I'd do these tours to
locals that would come andanyhow I'd be out there showing
them all the stuff.
And then one day I I found abunch of casings and I was like
what am I gonna do with these?
But, um, I found a crystal minein arkansas and set up some,
(09:32):
set up some accounts with them.
They started shipping me somethings and so I started playing
around putting the crystals inthe in the casings.
It's like a, you know, like apiece.
Um, the casing had that energy.
So it's like I use a lot offound objects.
What I particularly findinteresting is the imprint of
memory on the object.
So this obviously was fired.
There's an explosion there.
So putting the crystal in thereis kind of capturing the
(09:54):
imprint and pushing out thefrequency as well, kind of
broadcasting the frequency.
So I started with these, theselittle guys, how's all started
these little?
I call them spirit ammo, but uh,that's really like leather cups
and bracelets and things and Ikind of went on a binge with
that and then it kind of went.
It was kind of a trend, youknow, at the time.
But so over the years I stillkept the crystals and stuff.
(10:15):
And, um, at the time this isabout the last, probably eight
years I was living down in sandiego in north county by, uh,
carlstad village, and I wassurfing a lot and and one day I
got out of the water and I foundthis mangled quarter inch tube
of copper tubing and I thought,wow, it just looks so cool.
It was oxidized, it lookedgreen and I'm like, wow, this is
really powerful.
(10:35):
And I thought, what am I goingto do with this?
So I kept it.
And then someone just said, hey,try one of those bullets.
The little crystal points in it.
So I did put it in there.
I was like, ok, but then when Ireally started happening, when
I put one on each end, I kind ofterminated them, double
terminated, and then when Ifinished that I was like, wow,
these are different.
Like I don't know, I would hangon to it and I'd get grounded,
(10:56):
like, wow, there's something tothis.
I started feeling it.
In other words, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's so interesting , how that started.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's funny because we always so.
In fact, I even said this theother day to Nicole.
I said sometimes good thingstake a long time and then great
things happen all at once.
Good things take a long timeand then great things happen all
at once.
And you know, with that, withthat copper, um, and I'm sure
you'll talk more about it thanyou know, you probably have a
lot more subject matterknowledge than I do of it.
But you know copper we've eventalked about it before it's a
(11:37):
conductor, right.
So you know you look at at the,at the rods, and I know for
sure you'll go more in-depthinto it.
But the copper is part of aconducting.
And then you've got quartz, andquartz is obviously used in a
whole variety of things as faras how memory is stored and
things of that nature,especially big time in the
(11:59):
paranormal, when it comes to,well, ghosts, there's a lot of
people that can argue thatparanormally, paranormally, does
that work?
yeah we'll go with that, yeahthat there's a, there's a I'm
with it, I'm okay, um, and ifit's not, I'm coining it right
now.
And also, by the way, you needto make sure you trademark, uh,
(12:19):
spirit ammo, because I'm prettysure there's a band out there.
Yeah, no kidding, that is akick-ass name, but anyway, I
know it's so cool.
But anyway, getting back to it,you know the rare earth, not
rare earth, but the earth hasprovided some very natural
things for that.
But anyway, I'll let you goahead because you're the subject
matter expert.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know I'm with you , I'm learning as I go too.
You know I'm with you, I'mlearning as I go too.
And honestly, I knew nothingabout.
I mean, I knew about thesethings and they were powerful
when I'd wear them, but when Istarted taking around with the
copper, uh, that's when itreally shifted for me.
So then when I started doing sothis is a this is kind of a
thinner rod, almost about thesize of this it's about.
It was about quarter inch rod.
I don't have any left.
I gave them all away.
Start happening was was havethese experiences with them and
(13:07):
be like huh, so I'd give one tomy friend hey, hang on to this
and pray for surf, because wewould hang on to them.
And, like you know, when you'rea surfer you turn into an
addict and you got to have itevery day.
If you don't, you're like ohman, you know, you're like okay.
So you know that depends onstorms and everything else.
So we would hang on to and Ididn't my friends say, hey,
let's work together and see ifwe could get waves.
So that was kind of theoriginal intention.
But, um, I started to explore,okay, well, how big, how big
(13:30):
could I go?
Uh, as far as like diameter andsize of of the material.
So this was kind of like thesmall half inch size.
I worked up to.
Um, then I got, I got some hereI can show you.
Then this is kind of like thethree quarter inch size.
And Um, then I got, I got somehere I can show you.
Then this is kind of like thethree quarter inch size and then
I beeped it up to like the inchsize and that's when things
really started gettinginteresting.
Um, I only made a few sets andI've given my friends, like some
(13:53):
of my really good peers, tocheck out and say, hey, see if
you get some out of this.
Because what started happeningwas is where, as a tool, how
would I use it?
So I was using them at workbecause I you know I was, I was
working a lot from home, I had amajor job on the computer, so I
had a lot of electronicfrequency going on and this is
really and it started.
I started feeling, really, atthe end of the day, grounded, so
(14:15):
I was like, okay, there'ssomething to these, um, but it's
really when I startedmeditating with them that it
really started working for me umI would find that I would sit
there and they'd work and I'dstart to feel like a tingling
kind of sensation and I was like, okay, because, yeah, like it's
copper, uh, as the base and thecopper conduit, it grounds us.
(14:35):
Obviously it's a groundingforce.
You can use your feet and takeyour shoes off and put your feet
in the ground on the soil andthat will ground you as well.
But these have a different more.
It's almost like it's like aninstant voltage, like pitch,
hold you down, like wow, okay,but then that conduit, the
copper, works as that conduitwhere it's also kind of
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grounding your frequency, yourelectromagnetic frequency.
And then the crystals come inand almost like, start
broadcasting, amplifying yourbalanced energy to the higher
dimensions.
So I like, start broadcasting,amplifying your balanced energy
to the higher, higher dimension.
So I like to say broadcast itto what I call the non-physical
or source energy.
People call it God, universe,whatever you want to call it,
but anyhow it starts to turninto that frequency.
(15:17):
And then it gets interesting.
Just because it kind of youcould, I start to feel like a
relationship going on, like well, I'm not just turning to myself
, but I'm tuning into a highersort of I don't know, awareness,
I guess, if you want to call itbut right yeah yeah so.
So I started working with themand then then then the magic
really happened, like aroundthree in the morning, okay, so
(15:40):
from three in the morning to sixam, there's this time they call
the embrusial.
I don't know if you guys haveever heard of that, or heard the
term yes, we have.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Or the Dawn Hour.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's a really powerful time because the sun
isn't we're not gettingbombarded by cosmic frequency,
the sun's opposite, soeverything's dark, obviously,
but it opens up for other cosmicfrequencies that come in and
it's a really powerful time tomeditate and go into, like you
know, it's like a meditation,just to kind of tune in and pick
up frequencies that arenormally not available is the
(16:13):
way I put it.
They are.
You just have to really getinto a state.
But but at that time I startedto like oh whoa, and I started
feeling some really deepconnections and I called it the
divine mind, because it wasn'tmy thinking or thoughts or
feelings.
I was getting stuff from, like,some of my shelves and it was
really powerful, correlatingwith the rods, like, okay, these
rods are coming to you, youshould give me, start making
these, like, get these out.
(16:34):
So I noticed that there was avery powerful connection during
the meditation and that's when Iwas like, wow, start to trim
the people and hey, trymeditating with them.
But you might find it's uh, itmight, it's like a booster, kind
of like a.
It grounds you and then sendsyou out to for that connection
kind of it's a you can get thereon your own as well, but
there's something about it thatreally enhances it in a way,
(16:57):
right for sure that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, but I think I explained to you at when we were
in sedona about how a lot ofpeople in the paranormal
investigators they use thecopper dowsing rods.
So it's basically the samething.
Those are my favorite tool touse because they always connect.
I always get answers, and soit's the same concept.
It's just we don't havecrystals with our dowsing rods.
(17:21):
People are starting to add thatto it, yeah, but I think it
kind of weighs it down in aweird way.
So I have mine, do not havecrystals, but it's the same
concept.
So I I totally.
When you started telling meabout that at the fair, I'm like
, yes, that makes so much sensebecause we are.
We've been using it.
People have been using it forhundreds and thousands of years
that way.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah yes, and and that's a really good point I've
actually I started doing thatwork, using them as dowsing rods
when I'm hiking, and I've beenled to some very interesting
things, so it works.
It works on that frequency toohow do you use that?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm curious how do you use them as dowsing rods,
since they're straight, so youhold them a certain like?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I have different sizes I usually use my one-inch
ones and I'll just kind of letthem.
There's like a balancing pointwhere you kind of just hold them
.
If you, if you lift, put it up,leave it on your corner finger
and just kind of there'll be apoint where it kind of just
balances.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
You can kind of feel okay, kind of, just kind of
balance and they'll start tolike, like, dance a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
They'll start to go like you'll see it move, and
then they'll kind of like, hey,give me a direction.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's so cool.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
They kind of start moving, and so what I've been
able to do is be reallysensitive to them and figure out
, okay, what's happening.
And I ask should I go that way?
And then you kind of like, youkind of get, you just kind of
gotten me that way.
I'll see like a point, okay,I'll wait for that, and then
take a reading or see, sure.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, that's interesting.
I'm going to have to try thatout.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean technically, it's, it's this,
it's the same thing.
Yeah, you're still using apivot point.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's just now, instead of it being on a handle
it's kind of like so like therods, the, the uh, the the uh
dowsing rods you're talkingabout, right, they have like a
little handle and they kind of,they kind of spin, like they
move like right, and so theseare kind of a little bit more
restricted, but they kind of dotoo, like you kind of just have
(19:17):
to get them in a spot that feelsright and then just allow it to
kind of do its thing, in a waylike it will start to kind of
take over Right, and I feel likeI do better with the dowsing
rods than he does, but I usethem a lot and so they're
connected with me.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So it's just like it kind of yeah, you get that
connection with them and thenthey'll they tell me everything
and he doesn't get as much fromthat.
So yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yes, apparently I am not one with the dowsing rods.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, so that, and then
you project it and then movinginto, like the space, it totally
interacts.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
There's like a definitely interaction
Absolutely.
Well, now that I know that youcan use them that way, I'm going
to have to try that out.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's really cool.
When it gets warmer outside Iwas going to say these guys are
the Wow.
Look at those.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
These are my latest ones.
These are the oh wow inch and ahalf size.
They're like massive, and Istarted using these guys because
, like the smaller ones aregreat, but the larger ones, the
bigger the better, like I'm justlike oh man, it's just a
different frequency, like alittle bit stronger, well sure,
but they work great.
I'm really enjoyingexperimenting.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, and the thing is, and you know, obviously, you
know our, especially with ouraudience, kind of runs a gamut
of folks who are, you know, arebelievers and they're skeptical
and they're this and that, sothey're.
It kind of runs the gauntlet.
But you know, even when youlook at it from just a
scientific portion of it, thebigger you go with the copper,
(20:54):
the more conducting you get.
I mean, all you got to do islook at, like, well, I mean
basically internet, so internetall flows through what they call
an ethernet cable which is justbound up and you know it's
different lengths of of copper,you know that go to different
pins, so it's all copper there.
Um, you know, basically you'reusing copper for mo.
(21:16):
Well, I mean, I'm in the olddays and granted, I'm yeah, I'm
50, but I remember phones.
You know, before they were inyour pocket they were on.
You know they're in your well,either in your mom's room or in
the kitchen.
But if you ever looked at thephone lines they were copper.
So everything was copper and itcarries a signal.
So it makes sense to go kind ofgradual from a smaller to
(21:40):
eventually the size kind of likewhat you got there with an inch
and a half.
So I mean it makes perfectsense, yeah, moving it up and
explore like that progressiontotally.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, I probably could go bigger, but handle it.
You need like two feet.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You have to rest it on your shoulder.
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You start looking like you have a baseball bat on
your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I don't know if you ever watched.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The Walking Dead.
But you get walking around witha baseball bat.
Yeah, that's amazing, out ofcuriosity.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, so, provided you know, someone in our
audiences reaches out and I'msure some will and they purchase
some.
What are, what are some of thetechniques?
And kind of walk them throughhow they would, you know,
utilize it for their own uses,you bet.
So I got the website going.
It's pretty awesome.
It's pretty easy, user-friendly.
You can go on there and checkthem out.
The three sizes I have are thesmall, medium and large.
Um, I'll just go with themedium ones, just because they
right here.
But what I use?
Okay.
So a lot of people say, well,you get two.
And most people say I've neverseen anything like that.
And the thing is is that I wastold by source two is important
(22:54):
because it creates the circuit,it connects the circuit.
You just use one.
You could use one, two, but thetwo is almost like um, gosh,
yeah, like a wire circuit.
You need all the wires lined upand everything connects.
So it's almost like connectingthe circuits with two and
holding one in each hand.
You'll start to feel it.
(23:15):
But um, so what I do is usuallyI do it in a laying down
position, sometimes on a yogamat, sometimes on a.
When I'm in my bed at 3 in themorning I have them under my
pillow.
I'll pull them out, but thebest thing to do is whatever
you're comfortable with Eithersometimes people hike with them,
like I'll hike with them, siton a rock, or just get in a
comfortable place.
Sometimes I'll lay flat on therock, but I found mostly laying
(23:35):
down was the most effective forme.
Everybody has a differentpreference and I'd encourage you
know, explore your own, but forme it works great.
Holding them in each handlaying down, and then I kind of
keep them at my side.
I don't grip them too hard,like I'm not, like I'm just kind
of lightly grip, you know, andjust get a nice grip on them and
then just sit there and startbreathing.
I take about 10 deep breathsCould be to your mouth or nose I
(23:59):
usually do it through my nose,but there's different methods
but do about 10 deep breaths andthen after that I can kind of
feel like, well, okay, I feellike a kind of a grounding
sensation, but a little tinglingstarts to kind of come out.
And so then I know, okay,usually I'll say a little
blessing or a prayer.
I call it the divineintelligence.
I say, hey, this is amazing,thank you for this opportunity,
(24:22):
thank you for all my gifts.
I'm so grateful, whatever'sgoing on.
But then what I do is I reachout to the infinite expansion.
I just say something likeinfinite expansion.
I call upon this frequencysignal to flow into my being.
And as soon as I say flow, Ifeel this like electro pulse
(24:43):
come through.
It goes through my whole body.
I can feel it bouncing aroundmy whole.
It's it's, it's a, it's a softfrequency and but it first it's
like electric and then it likecalms down to be this really
light kind of a buzz, and andthen I kind of say, okay, I let
it fill me up, and then I sendit back out.
I say I'll say I send this backout into the universe and thank
(25:04):
you for this frequency, thankyou for allowing me to
experience this.
And then I just kind of sitthere.
Now sometimes I'll put them onmy.
Wherever I'm feeling energylike, I'll put them on my third
eye sometimes I'll put it on mychest.
I'll lay them on there as I'mgoing into the meditation,
because when I'm grounded anddialed in, then I go into that
meditative mode.
You know, this is only.
This is going on for like 20,25 minutes, but it's enough
(25:26):
where, all of a sudden, all thisand meditation is interesting
because the word is, there's alot of meaning to it, right,
basically, if we can get out ofour thoughts, we're meditating
this list of focus on the abyssand not thinking on stuff, and
you'll get into that meditationmode.
And that's when, all of a sudden, something might come through
and I call I've been calling itthe divine mind.
(25:48):
To be honest, it could beanything, but I feel like it's
coming from some divinelyoriented source, because the
information that I get isdifferent.
It's like inspiring.
It's like, all of a sudden,something that I may have
thought of the day before, say asculpture or a project.
I want to do it creatively.
I'll just get this amazinginsider solution on how to
finish it or how to like goabout doing it, instructional,
(26:11):
whatever it is.
This information comes induring that process.
It's different than if I'msitting there going oh okay,
what can I do?
Or how do I do this?
It's just a differentconnection, I feel.
So after that I kind of it'skind of like when I do the
readings too, it I kind of it'skind of like when I do the
readings too.
It's like when you're done.
You just kind of know you'redone.
It's like doing the dishes.
You finish the dishes andyou're kind of like, oh, I'm
(26:31):
done with the dishes, Likesqueeze the sponge out, put it
away.
You know that's kind of howthis is too.
You kind of come out of it andyou kind of feel like, well, I
got something really strong'skind of, and on the website and
stuff, I give a little bitinstruction on there, like you
know a couple of different steps, how to go through it, if you
wanted to, and just kind of somemore information on there to
(26:52):
handle Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, and you know you said something that makes a
lot of sense and I know Nicolewas 100 percent in agreement
here.
I think, as a, as a, as aculture and as a people, we have
forgotten how to unplug.
Yes, absolutely, you know.
We've forgotten that, um, kindof what they say zoning out.
It's not that you're.
You know it's very healthy, youknow it.
(27:17):
It resets the mind, it does alot of different things that
that we just don't benefit fromanymore.
And taking that, taking thattime to kind of hit the pause
button, you know, put the, putthe phone down, put the, you
know the ipad and everythingaway, of course I say that and
I'm one of the worst people atit oh, totally, totally but I
(27:39):
know it is easier said than done, yes, but making time for um,
making time for yourself andyour spirituality is very
important.
It doesn't really matter youknow what your belief structure
is, especially when it comes to,like, you know, obviously,
religion and things of thatnature.
What matters is taking thatopportunity to connect with what
(27:59):
you feel, not just on aphysical level, but on a
metaphysical level, what youfeel not just on a on a physical
level, but on a metaphysicallevel, and, um, I think as a, as
a species, we have completelymissed the boat on that.
Oh, yeah, uh, especially in thelast, you know, ooh, especially
in the last like 20 years, um,maybe, even maybe even further
(28:20):
back, but, um, you know, we'vemissed the opportunity to, to
get in touch, and I think that'sthat of what we're missing as a
species that helps us connectto what we're here for.
I could probably talk for eighthours about this.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, our ancestors knew how to do all this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Our ancestors knew how to do this and we've
forgotten it, or the knowledgewas specifically kept from us,
right, but I think it's coming,coming back and I and I love
that that we're starting tolearn how to do it again.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, and I'll tell you straight up, when I was
growing up, you know, even being, even having the culture that I
have, even I was like whateverdude, don't just be, you're like
you're.
You know you're a freak.
When you're young, you don'tthink about you're like you're.
You know you're a freak.
Well, and you're young, youdon't think about it.
And then, as you get older, yourealize no, it's true.
Well, you know capricious youth, you know I was.
(29:14):
I'll be honest with you, I wasshithead then, so I'm probably
destined to be a shitheadforever.
But, um, but no, I think that'ssomething that we have missed.
And I think using using um,divination tools and all these
other different things, yeah toto somebody who's not sort of
doing that on a day-to-day basis, or has not been, I guess,
(29:38):
hasn't been introduced to it.
This isn't like some woo-woothing.
This is something that humanitydid long ago.
In fact, there are stillcultures that very much so do it
.
Now they do, and we are justwe're the ones that are far
behind.
Oh yeah, we're playing catch upnow.
We're playing catch up now.
So, yeah, obviously, hats offto you for number one, for
(30:01):
having the foresight as a human.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, it took an artist to do it.
It took an artist, that's rightthat third eye, right?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah, um, you know, I just think it's it's imperative
that that folks look at thesethings from a different lens.
You know, and it's really easyfor us because obviously we've
got this paranormal thing on topof us and we always we dabble
in the woo, woo, but, you know,when it comes right down to it,
you know, it's important thatpeople understand that this is
(30:34):
not one of those things.
It's based in not onlymetaphysics, but it's also based
in physics and science.
So, but, yeah, it's fantastic.
Again, I could probably talkforever about this, so I'm going
to, and he will, will, I will.
It's a good thing we have apodcast.
So, um, now we talked a littlebit about, um, the metaphysics,
(30:55):
and I can see behind you, you'vegot the reiki.
Um, this is like the chakracenters, right, exactly.
Do you want to kind of coverthat a little bit for some of
the folks that might haveinterest in that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So when I do, ok, you touched on a really important
piece and something I wanted toshare was that the modality I
call the modality that I usevibrational maintenance, because
you're right, we live in aculture where things are moving
very quickly.
Things are moving very quicklyand and and as far as like
(31:30):
information is a touch of abutton in your pocket computer
and your in the phone, in yourin your pocket, can send you to
the moon man.
So you know, as a tool gosh, wehave all this information at our
, at our, at our, at our handsbut as a deeper culture and
awareness of evolution, likeexpansion.
Expansion If we get too stuckon it, we get to.
(31:50):
You know, we lose that other.
We almost not necessarily abuseit, but overuse it.
I guess it'd be a great word.
So vibrational maintenance,it's about okay, we have cars,
we have houses, we have families, we all have things we have to
maintain.
Our bodies kind of get left outbecause our culture doesn't
really get into.
Oh, here are the tools to helpyourself.
(32:11):
They don't want us to know that, they want to keep us in fear
and they want to keep usdangling the carrot.
But we're smarter than that andwe can stop them in their
tracks and say no, you know, Ihave the power to heal myself.
I believe and work on mybeliefs and change my change,
become who I truly am.
I believe and work on mybeliefs and change my change,
become who I truly am.
And so, like, these tools forvibrational maintenance help
(32:33):
that in the sense that theyassist.
When you start, when you startto raise your vibration, it gets
.
It starts to climb and climband climb.
Uh, an amazing, uh, uh.
I guess inspirational personout there these days, abraham
Hicks, he made a part of her.
She talks about it and you geton the sideline disc and it's
like, yeah, you raise yourvibration high enough.
You reach this certain pointwhere the typical things don't
(32:55):
apply to you anymore.
Like you're like, hey, not, Idon't know, like typical
societal things, you just reacha different place where you're
seeing things differentlybecause you've shifted your
vibration, you kind of steppedinto who you truly are and
that's, I think, something inour culture.
Like you're saying we'veforgotten how to do it because
we've lost touch of what we'reall passionate about.
Everything costs so much money.
(33:17):
You're working five jobs justto cover your family or do
whatever.
Who has time to step into whothey truly are?
Exactly Agreed?
I think that's really the basisof it is like saying, hey, who
am I now?
And understanding who that is,and vibrationally you might be
there, but getting up to speedwith that takes a different kind
of approach.
So the cards, these tools, thecard readings are interesting
(33:38):
because when I do the readingsit's a form of divination.
It's an oracle deck, likethere's tarot and all these
other forms, but this form ismore of an internal represent, I
guess, perspective on kind ofseeing what's going on with your
thoughts and yourselfinternally.
And then you, like, I'm kind ofthe guide when I do the
(33:59):
readings with the people.
I don't, I don't give too muchinformation because I think
again, it's like a power thing.
When you go to the god, the guruor whatever, you're giving your
power away to somebody else,which is cool, but it's not if
it leaves you hanging, like alot of these guys or gals will
leave you hanging.
And so this modality goesinward and keeps you stuck in,
like not stuck, but like focusedon your inward things, that you
(34:22):
have the power to heal yourselfI guess the guide did show you
to get there.
I'd show you the threshold.
But to heal yourself, I I guessthe guide did show you to get
there, I'd show you thethreshold.
But and source works for me tooI I channel information, but a
lot of the cards I can kind of.
I don't know if you can see them, but a lot of them have like
colors on them and stuff, heatcolors, and so I put up the
shopper chart because I haveanother little one I share with
people.
It's because during thereadings, when they get a card,
(34:43):
I will talk about what they see.
Obviously they, they, I deal acard, they look at the card,
they tell me what they see fromthe card and I'm writing it down
, logging it down, and at theend I show them how I bridge it
to them.
Okay, this is what's going onwith you.
They don't even tell me.
I can just, I just pull it outand just extract it out.
Hey, this is what's going onwith you.
You're doing something I couldtell them.
I can't tell them what jobthey're doing because I'm like,
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based on these colors, because alot of the colors like there'll
be a lot of blue or a lot ofred, and, okay, you need more
grounding, energy or you needyou're working with a lot of
people, you're using a lot ofyour throat chakra, you're
communicating and this is reallyimportant.
Yeah, so the colors really playout throughout the readings, as
(35:30):
well as, okay, centers thatthey may need work on or that
are in balance.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You know from whatever's going on, emotional
or intellectual processes in ourculture?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yep, absolutely so in a nutshell, it's about getting
the viewer to go inward and heal, show them how to use their
intuition and their own power toheal themselves, instead of
giving it away or saying, oh,how do I do this, it's just a
practice.
It's always the more wepractice, the better we get at
anything right power to healthemselves, instead of giving it
away or saying, oh, how do I dothis, because it's just a
practice.
It's always the more wepractice, the better we get
anything right like so that'swhy I put this up here?
(35:54):
because when people go see that,they go.
What is that?
What does that mean?
But these?
This is the root chakra, the umsacral, the solar plexus, the
heart, the throat, the third eyeor head crown, uh, head chakra,
and then the crown at the top,uh, where?
most of this is based on thesanskrit, uh, hindu religion, I
believe, where at the top.
Then it goes into there'sanother four or five, I believe,
(36:16):
um, astral planes where shockposts go, like outside, our
actual is our outside, thephysical being, the spirit being
as couple, but anyhow.
So this is kind of moretraditions.
You see this a lot, but a lotof people don't know and they
don't know what that means, orthey don't know what the colors
or chakras are.
I think the word can be alittle misleading.
Basically it's just energycenters.
(36:37):
We all have them, they're withinour bodies and they become
imbalanced and that's when weneed to do the work, and that's
when we need to do the workRight.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Perfect explanation, it is perfect, short and sweet
and it makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I think short and sweet is what people want these
days.
They don't want a whole bunchof hooligan or woo-woo crap.
They're like okay, just tell methe straightforward, what is
this?
You know yeah, because thenthey just turn away.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
They're like eh.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah.
Exactly, it's yeah, exactly,and it's just like it's
absolutely true we come from ourego, we turn people away, but
when we come from our heart,there's a heart connection that
we feel and that people feel,and that's the other thing I was
going to share is that Ibelieve that our planet's
shifting from ego, fear-basedenergy to a higher, love-based,
heart-based frequency.
The heart has a brain too, theybrain too.
(37:28):
They found, which is crazy, likeyou know.
So, going through that now wecame through business, through
everything.
It's, it's more of a communitybase.
It's not the me, me, me, me methat we're seeing all these days
that that's gonna crash prettyquick.
It's, it's how do?
I work together how do I workwith you?
How do I?
How do we win?
Win not.
Oh, I'm screwing you to make a.
It's only for today, you know.
Like that philosophy philosophy.
I feel like is flushing downthe toilet.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, yeah, and it should, and I think that here's
one of my and this is such mucha deeper conversation.
But, especially when it comesto information, my belief has
been and I will go to my mortal,my mortal end, believing this.
When I was growing up,information was valuable.
(38:10):
You had to work your ass off toget information, whether that's
an encyclopedia or going toschool.
When you got a piece ofinformation, it was incredibly
valuable to you, so you neversquandered that information.
And right now there'sinformation overload so
everybody can get at the flashof a button, get every little
(38:33):
bit of information they have nowwith you know, with AI and all
these other things.
And listen, I, I use AI, I havea technical job and we know
when I'm not doing this.
Um, I utilize all the samethings that everybody else
utilizes.
But I remember, and I come froma time where it was so
difficult to get thatinformation and people made
(38:54):
millions.
They became, you know, theRockefellers, they became all
these other people because theyhad the information that other
people didn't.
And I think we have.
We have totally dropped theball and my generation's
probably, for the most part,responsible for it because we
(39:15):
ushered in the information ageand said hey guys, we're going
to make everything so mucheasier for you, thinking that
that would expand things, thatwould make it.
The problem is we didn'trealize that human nature is to
do it the easiest way possible.
And then, all of a sudden,you've got a lot of people that
don't understand how to, howimportant information is and
using, you know, reeking, usingall these other things, because
(39:39):
all that information is is notavailable on the internet and
it's not available on, you know,on Instagram.
Yes, you get the information,but to tap into it requires
something from you.
You know it requires you to behere now, and I think that's
ultimately the most importantpoint to that.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yes, in the present, for sure, yeah you know, put
down that device put down thatthat addiction to the
information almost to say, okay,what's going on?
Yeah, for sure, like you coulduse that, but then, okay, put it
away and now go into here anddo your meditation or whatever.
Like keep it balanced rightthen?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
well, and they don't understand the difference
between I say they, there'speople in my generation to do
the same damn thing, but theydon't understand the difference
between I say they, there'speople in my generation that do
the same damn thing, but theydon't understand the difference
between a crutch and a tool.
You got to understand thatthere's a, there's a variation.
If it's a crutch, then you'releaning too much on it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
If it's a tool.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
a tool has a place that can be put away a place
that can be put away.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
You know, one of my favorite quotes from our
daughter is you know, obviouslyshe's in college, so she's at
that age where the phone has gotto be on 24 7 you know, but the
funny thing is, I'm like whatwould happen if you had to go
back to like just even early1990 and live, you know?
and she's like I wouldn'tsurvive five minutes?
Yeah, just like, isn't that?
Yeah, I mean, that's the way Ithink.
Yeah, yeah, and I'm like it wasreally nice not having to like,
and she's like I wouldn'tsurvive five minutes.
Yeah, just like.
Yeah, isn't that fascinating?
(41:06):
Yeah, and I'm like it wasreally nice not having to
constantly check your phone.
You just lived your life.
You didn't have to worry aboutaccountability constantly.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Well, and I think they were given a very.
I mean, I listen to a lot ofdifferent podcasts and stuff
like that, but now I listened tosmart list the other day with
Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, allthose guys but Will Arnett said
something that I thought wasreally interesting with his kids
, he's and, I guess, guys I knowthis is way off the path, but
(41:39):
it kind of isn't either Um, hebasically said with his kids
that the more they, the morethat they are not virtual.
He gives them more freedom inthe real world and less freedom
virtually.
So, like when they were 16, hewould not give them rights to,
or rights, the ability to usesome of the social platforms,
(41:59):
but if they were to want to dosomething out in the real world,
he found himself giving them alot more flexibility, and I
think that's much more importantto.
Honestly, I found that reallykind of well.
I took that to heart.
That was really quite poignant.
So, again, it's just anotherone of those.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
be here now for yeah, how we use that information I'm
going to step off this box.
For sure you hit on a reallygood point too.
Is man like in the lab?
We look back at the last 75years doesn't seem like a lot of
time.
We're just talking like the 50still now.
Dude, the, the phone, the phone.
It's expanded so muchexponentially that it's like
(42:40):
it's just a matter of timebefore we're going to be like
hologramming each other.
Oh, I know Probably alreadythere now you know, I'm sure it
is, it's fascinating, mm-hmm.
Well, and they've got In oneperspective.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, go ahead.
What I was going to say.
I remember watching like, wasit Big Bang, where they had a
virtual presence or a oh Anyway,where Sheldon's running around
there with his virtual oh yeah,I mean, would not surprise me
one bit if you know that dudewho's on TV a lot and you know
(43:14):
I'm not going to say his name,but he has those electric cars
and anyway he's developing thosesort of things and in my
personal opinion, sure he isthat is going to be something
that, first of all, is veryfrightening and I mean people
are going to eat that up andanyway, long story short, so
(43:35):
your odds, I'm just kidding.
I could speak like I said.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
It's something that I will go on forever about what I
get from the conversation Ithink it's a really important
thing is that we're here now,and in the next five years it's
going to seem like 20 yearsbecause the advances that are
going to come it's like thempitching us the PC, the personal
computer.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Everybody thought oh, the crazy world's going to want
that shit, but now we can'tlive without it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We've got all these devices and everything running
off it.
I know these guys talk aboutlike oh, you know, you're gonna
have this bot in your house,it's gonna do everything and
you're just gonna hang out.
It's gonna go get and they'regonna be making services and
goods and you're like I knowwhat, and they're like you're
gonna be doing.
You're getting universal income.
Why do you care?
I'm like going what like who'sthat's?
Does nobody else see theproblem in this?
Like I don't know?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
it's by design, of course, but it's a synthesis
right, but it's like the jetsonshas come to life oh yeah I can
think I was like that's watchingthe jetsons.
I'm like that will never happenin my lifetime, but it very
well could.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Sorry, we're starting to see it like flying cars is
only a couple years out fromthat, you know, yeah, like drone
cars, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And we stay home, get to Sedona instead of an hour.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
You know, that'd be great.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Oh yeah, no kidding God, we'd live in Sedona and
work out here if we could dothat.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Seriously.
Just that's what I'm waitingfor.
The teleportation I can justzoom right in there.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
But we say all this to say that, utilizing what you
have, you know, with thechanneling rods, you know we've
kind of gone through this whole,you know, interesting journey
to come back to.
It's important to learn how tochannel yourself, to take, yeah,
the tool that you provide to,to find that centering.
(45:29):
You know, I don't think we'relost as a species to not be able
to come back to it, and I thinkyou're right, I think a lot of
people are starting to.
Yes, you know, make no mistakeabout it, sedona is absolutely
busy.
It is jam-packed all the timenow, granted, probably not
during the winter, but no, youknow it is it is it now too, is
(45:52):
it?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
yeah it's becoming all year out, which is great.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, okay and a lot of people don't realize that the
reason a lot of that is isbecause of this.
You know, a lot of people aregoing to the mountains.
A lot of people is is becauseof this.
You know, a lot of people aregoing to the mountains, a lot of
people are going hiking,they're going to the, to the art
shows and the craft shows, andthe red rock means something.
There's something in there whenit comes to sort of like these
(46:17):
hotspots and being able toaccess things that they've not
able to access, you know,whether it be in the Midwest or
wherever you're at, so it'simportant to have tools like
yours, you know, available andobviously Sedona being it's a
special place.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, there is a special feeling there and once
you go, once like for me it'sjust a connection now and I want
to just keep going back and ifI could live there I would.
But yeah, like we saidpreviously, we can't afford to,
but I just I, I adore it, likethere's just a connection and
you just feel it on a spirituallevel yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I well, when I moved away and I was living in San
Diego, I I got, I was laid offand I was in this position like,
oh god, what next?
Like holy cow.
But I could hear a source goingokay, it's time for you to step
into who you truly are.
I'm like, okay, well, if I stayin California, I have to work a
full-time job in RY, or maybetwo, you know.
And when am I going to havetime to do this?
(47:18):
So I was going through thiswhole process and it's funny
because one of the things I tellpeople it's like okay, if
you're in the Popsicle business,you're not going to move to
Alaska to sell your Popsicles,you're going to move somewhere
where people are buying their.
Popsicle and artists kind ofthink that way too.
You know you kind of have to.
So I knew like this card decktook me about 22 years to make.
(47:41):
I mean I had it done, buthonestly, intellectually I was
there, but emotionally it tookme many years to get up to speed
with what the hell who actuallywas and what this was about and
what I was going to be doing.
And so once I reached that pointwhere I was like, all right,
Source, I had three options.
It was like go back to OjaiOjai's kind of a really
spiritual community, artistcommunity as well but again it's
uberly expensive.
(48:02):
So it's like, all right, wheredo I go?
And then all of a sudden Iheard Sedona.
Again.
I was like that's it, Becausepeople are coming.
It's like go to the place whereyou can sell.
People are coming to a hotspotfor this type of information.
They're wanting this kind ofhealing or have come before and
want to revisit.
They're taking their personaljourneys to have an experience
out here and that's why theycome here and and that's why
(48:26):
they come.
So you're right, people come toto connect, to feel the energy.
There's a lot of curious people.
It has changed a lot.
Um, I'm sure you guys have beenin out there during the 90s or
prior, but oh I did, yeah, Iwasn't, yeah it changed pretty
heavily.
I was even amazed, coming back,how much it changed.
I was like whoa, it's just,it's kind of more underground,
all that kind of stuff moreunderground, which is totally
cool because you could still getit, it's still accessible and
(48:48):
still figure out what's there.
And maybe it needed to gothrough that process just to
kind of wean out and just kindof get more grounded and deeper
into it, I guess.
But you're right.
There isn't a slow I guess youcan kind of say a slower time,
but it's still hundreds of carsparked at the trailhead.
I mean you're just like, wow,okay, it used to kind of like be
(49:08):
an issue, but it's not becauseyou talk to all these people.
They're all enjoying the samething and most of them just go
about a half a mile or a mile inand turn around, so you're not
going to see anybody if you goway out there, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No right, if you find yourself in Flagstaff, you went
too far.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, I will say though like every time we've
been there, there's never anunhappy person in Sedona.
I've never met an unhappyperson.
They're always relaxed,enjoying the day, and it's so
great to see that and to feelthat.
I mean you can feel people'sauras when you're around them
(49:44):
and what kind of mood they're inand you always just feel peace
and you feel happy and it's justa very special place,
absolutely totally, and one ofthe things I was really digging
on are those shows, those littleart craft shows you guys, where
we met, because they're just,they're more of a raw outlet.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
It's not like a store .
It's kind of more of a like anot necessarily carnival.
It's more of like a differentkind of experience, different
kind of setting.
But you, just from being avendor there and doing it, it's
really amazing because you getto just so many people that have
never seen stuff like this andwant to are interested.
It's just, it's just openingmore and more and more people up
to what, what else is out thereis like as a healing tool
(50:22):
available, an available tool asyou expand your own awareness or
your own person, your own being.
Right, exactly, and I thinkwe're going to see more and more
tools like this being developedas we move forward.
People are stepping up andrealizing yeah, we're evolving.
We need these kind of tools toeducate and to resonate with, to
utilize 100%.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I know, at least in theparanormal community this is
going to be a big thing.
I think, oh, yeah, yeah, Oncepeople start using them and
learn.
I mean because, yeah, wehaven't really used them on an
investigation yet, but I'mtrying to figure out exactly how
to go about that, but I'mexcited to try what it does.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
I'm excited to try what it does.
It's because there's a lot toit that it brings in a lot of
different things when it comesto doing actual investigations,
because copper, that's going tohelp conduct for spiritual and
quartz, yeah.
So it's like bringing in alightning rod.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I'm curious about using it during, like an Estes
session which, if you want toexplain to him, he may not know.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Are you familiar with it?
What an Estes method?
Estes method it's hard to sayit all at one time.
No so in the paranormalcommunity Developed at the
Stanley Hotel Right, which iswhy it's called.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Estes Estes Park.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
And we know the, we of, by, by second nature, know
the people that developed it andand kind of brought it to.
But what they do is kind of asensory deprivation.
So they cover their eyes andthen they wear noise canceling
headphones and they put thisthing called an SB7 box or it
could be anything that does kindof the sweeping back of radio
(52:05):
and in doing that they can hear.
You know, the thought is,spirits can utilize that to say
words, to actually communicate.
But you'll find that most of thepeople oh yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And one part you know , one person will ask the
questions, Right, and they can'thear what you're saying, and
then they.
What the belief is is thatspirits can then talk through
the radio into the personwearing the headphones and
answer the question.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yes.
What she said, yeah, and thething is, you'll find a lot of
people that do this.
They hold crystals.
They still things Number one toprotect themselves and also to
help them channel and get someof that information, yeah,
connect higher.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
So with these I'm thinking it's just going to
majorly boost that.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, we've got a friend.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, we've got a friend that I'm going to put
these in her hand, and she'svery well known for this.
Yeah, she's awesome at SDsession.
I'll have to send you to theirpage and have you check it out
afterwards, but I can't wait.
I'll see her use these.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
Absolutely Well, greg .
I think we're going to move in,so we'll be there probably in
about what a few days, and we'vegot some dogs.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
We've got a place for you.
We'll keep you guys in thehouse.
We'll head to the site that wasgood you guys, recalibrate it.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
But before we get to do that, let's do this.
Let's go ahead and tell ouraudience where they can find you
, kind of everything that you'redoing, and how they can catch
up with you.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Sure, first and foremost, probably the website's
the best way.
It's just wwwgreatbrassanticom.
Maybe we can put it in thenotes later or somehow you guys
do it, but it's really easy.
I go in there and it's prettyuser-friendly.
It talks a lot about theproduct information, what the
cards are, about, how to use thecards.
I basically put the guidebookon there.
(53:59):
There's a shop you can pointand click.
It's all set up.
Use your credit card, I ship itout, it's all included in the
price.
So it's kind of cool.
You don't have to dig aroundwith all these prices and
tag-ons, but everything'sincluded tax, everything, and
then I send them out.
So it's I have about.
(54:20):
I think there's 10 of each onit on there.
Hey, it sold out.
It takes me a minute that it'sa hands-on, organic process.
They're made in the usa.
All the products come from theusa.
The crystal never got to tellyou.
They come from mines inarkansas.
I mean, they're hand-selectedjewelry grade points.
They're not just like thrown ina box or picked out.
You know they're really nicepoints.
So that adds to the quality aswell.
But, um, yeah, the website'sthe best.
(54:42):
And then, if you're in Sedona,there's only four shows
happening this season for thespring season.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Every month there's one this weekend Hang on, hang
on.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It's two plus three, but there'll be one in March,
April and May, Probably aroundthe holidays, like there's one
probably around Mother's Day inMay, Probably around the Easter
weekend in April, and then MarchI'm not sure maybe the middle
of March, but usually there'slike 12.
So we're hoping maybe in thefall there'll be a little bit
more schedule.
They're usually about 10 to 12in the fall, so we'll see if
(55:17):
that's better, but that's theother way you can find me.
And then in Sedona there'slet's see, I don't have any
storefronts right now, butthey're coming.
I'm going to be setting upaccounts.
It's kind of my business planset up more accounts and
possibly do readings at one ofthe locations there.
I'm not quite sure yet.
Eventually I'd like to set upmy own reading room, but that's
coming later.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
So lots happening.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
That's right now, with the best I'd like the
website to be the best Perfectthe best.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Why the website be the best, perfect, great.
We're just going to pause.
First, our dog's going crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
He wants to say something.
Don't forget your pets.
They work great on your pets.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, I know, here we are talking about pets and yet
ours go absolutely shit crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Probably a delivery at the door.
Just we'll wait for a second.
Give it a second Done.
Hang on, I'm going to noworries, just we'll wait for a
second until she give it asecond done.
Hang on, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
no worries okay, hey, you shut up.
Oh no, you don't see what Imean.
I get yelled at all the timehere.
Um, anyway, this will make agreat outtake, by the way.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
It's really natural with you guys, Like it's just a
nice smooth process.
There's like being ourselves.
It's you could be.
I feel like I could be myself.
It's been really greatexperience, so I really
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
For sure, really happy to do it.
Other than that, greg, it'sbeen, it's been great having you
on.
Obviously, having met you, we,we knew we wanted to have you on
and I think that I think whatyou're doing is is so important,
and I think it's important notjust in paranormal, but it's
important like we talked about,you know, just for for, for
(57:01):
being able to center and beingable to be us.
It's for being able to centerand being able to be us, you
know.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm so excited to get this outand to share this with people
that we know, because I thinkit's going to make a huge
difference in the field, forsure.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Well, I really appreciate that too.
Thanks so much for consideringme and having me on.
It's so nice to have theopportunity.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, I mean just it was we were lucky.
Yeah, just ran on to mean justit was we were lucky.
Yeah, just ran onto you and itwas, it was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
It's serendipitous.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah Well, greg, again, thank you so much, and
we're going to go ahead and letyou, let you get back to your
evening and we certainlyappreciate you being on Sounds
great.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Thank you guys too.
I'm so grateful and listen,come back and hook me up.
Hook up with me.
We'll take you out to a couplesites.
We'll get you guys back inthere.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Oh for sure, absolutely, you can count on
that.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Sounds good Okay.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
All right, guys, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Thanks so much, bye, bye, have a great night Take
care you.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
You need to go out there and get these.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, they are awesome.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Greg, thanks for coming on.
Yeah, thank you so much.
It was just meant to be meeting, I think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
I think so Serendipitous.
As we said, yes, but you knowwe have yet to use these in a
paranormal investigation, but wehave used them.
Otherwise we get you definitelyget the feels.
There's a lot to it, but moreimportantly, it's all about
intent.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Remember that, and Greg had some great information
like all the things that he hasfor sale there and how to use
these rods, and you can reachout to him as well.
(58:51):
Yeah, in there, um, he'sobviously, you can see, super
nice guy is willing to helpanybody, and I highly, and
that's really cool, because hedidn't have the great big one.
No, he didn't.
At the show we got the mediumsize ones, um, which are easier
to kind of hold, at least for mysmall hands, which is why I
picked these.
But those big ones, can youimagine what they do?
(59:12):
That's so cool.
Yeah, they're going to bepretty amazing.
That may be a later purchase atsome point in time, but, yeah,
definitely hook up with them,check them out, and we'll try to
keep updates on when weactually do some investigations
with them and see what they do.
And I plan on putting these inthe hands of someone very
(59:33):
special when she does a nastysession, and I'm curious to see
what that happens.
And I think you know who youare.
Yeah, you know who you are.
So but, yeah, thank you so much, greg.
It was great meeting you andhopefully we can have you back
someday.
But definitely, guys, go checkthese out.
And he's got other art as well,if these are not what you're
interested in, even the oraclecards, which are all photographs
(59:56):
that he has taken on the oraclecard.
So, yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
He's really approachable.
Guys reach out to him and yeah,thanks for watching.
Yeah, well, see you next week.
Thank you.
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