Exploring Verified Near-Death Experiences with Author Simon Bown

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Are we more than just our physical bodies? In this enlightening episode, we delve into the profound subject of near-death experiences (NDEs) with Simon Bone, the author of "Verified Near-Death Experiences: Proof of an Afterlife." Simon takes us on a fascinating journey through verified accounts of individuals who have brushed against the veil of death and returned to share invaluable insights about the nature of consciousness and the afterlife.

From mesmerizing stories of shared death experiences to the common elements found in personal life reviews post-NDE, we explore how these narratives paint a picture of existence that extends beyond our physical lives. Could these testimonies challenge our understanding of death and open the door to the possibility that consciousness continues? 

Simon discusses his motivations for writing his book and highlights remarkable instances that defy scientific reasoning while examining the profound implications for skeptics and believers alike. He emphasizes the comfort found in knowing that many experiencers return without fear, understanding death as a mere transition rather than an end. 

Join us as we unravel the mysteries of NDEs and how they can transform the way we view life, death, and the connections we share. You won't want to miss this thought-provoking conversation! Be sure to engage with us and share your thoughts or questions about your own perspectives on death and what may lie beyond. Remember to subscribe, leave a review, and explore more topics that inspire and challenge the mind!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I felt like more people should know about it,
because it's the thing that canindicate that when we die we're
not just completely annihilated,that our consciousness
continues, and for a lot ofpeople that's a very scary
thought that that would happento us.
But when there's all thesethings that connect up, like
children, with past lifememories and near-death

(00:22):
experiences and mediumship, andthen there's deathbed visions
and there's past life regressionand there's something called
shared death experiences andterminal lucidity, you know all
these different things and theyall kind of are parts of this
puzzle.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Thank you Well.

(01:20):
Hey, everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I'm Logan and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
Generation X Paranormal Guys.
We've got a great episode.
You know we've covered a lot ofdifferent topics when it comes
to what we're going to talkabout.
We've talked about near-deathexperiences with a couple of
hosts prior to this, or guestsrather, and we've talked to this
particular person before aswell.

(01:43):
So this is going to be one ofthose where it's probably going
to touch the feels a little bit,because we all got to go
through it.
But we're going to be talkingto Simon Bone and Nicole.
What can you tell us about him?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
So Simon is the host of Our Paranormal Afterlife and
the Alien UFO podcast twoseparate podcasts and the Alien
UFO podcast two separatepodcasts.
He's also a hypnotherapist thatspecializes in past life
regression, which is what wespoke to him about last year
when he was on our show.
But today we are speaking tohim about his new book, which

(02:18):
just came out two days ago, andit's called Verified Near-Death
Experiences Proof of anAfterlife, and it's called
Verified Near-Death ExperiencesProof of an Afterlife.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, and I'm really interested in talking to him.
Because of some of my personalhistory we may get into that, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And I have read the book.
The stories in this book arefascinating.
Yeah, I'm sure, so I'm excitedto talk to him.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, for sure, let's talk to Simon, let's talk to
Simon.
Well, hey, simon, welcome backto Generation X Paranormal.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's great to be here .
I'm glad I can talk to you guysagain.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, for sure, been looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, it's funny.
We've had so many differentguests and I think Nicole and I
have both mutually agreed thatfor some reason, the sound of
your voice is so like, sosoothing and relaxing that we,
uh, we like, oh, we're going toget to talk to Simon today.
I'm like, oh, it'll be a nicenice little relaxing meditation.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, you know, tapes or something should be on the
call map really Cause it's.
It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But but yeah, last time you were on we talked about
past life regression andobviously it's a very
interesting subject.
You know we've we've coveredthat pretty well and the the
book that we're about to talkabout, that you you've got
coming out, is a bit near anddear to my heart for a lot of

(03:41):
different reasons, and I thinkwe might have even talked about
it on the last time you're on.
But kind of before we get intoall that, and since you have
been on, it can be really brief,but kind of give our audience
kind of a really quick, shortbio, if you will, kind of what
got you here?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, I've got a diploma in clinical hypnotherapy
in 2016 and I'm certified inpast life regression therapy and
I started podcasting 2018 andI've got two podcasts now that
are paranormal afterlife andalien UFO podcast and with those
two combined, I've now releasedover 800 episodes and I've had

(04:21):
all sorts of experiences myselfover the decades that are
paranormal and just weird, andso it's been like when I was 10
years old, I would be takingbooks out of the local public
library about all sorts ofsupernatural things, but it kind
of came down to these twothings of afterlife and UFOs,
and it's weird because it'sgetting to a point now where

(04:43):
people are seeing there's aconnection between those two
things.
Yep, but, um, in my podcast,our paranormal afterlife, I'm
looking for evidence of anafterlife because I'm not
religious, I've never have beenand um, I, so it's the kind of
thing if somebody says I gotsome evidence as an afterlife,
i'm'm like, okay, prove it.
Where is the evidence?

(05:03):
What is?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
it.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, that's definitely true.
I was going to say I could talkabout it for hours, but then I
have done 800 episodes.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right, so there have been hours For hours.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, yeah, when it comes to the afterlife, I find
that you have to take intoaccount so many different things
.
You have to take into account,obviously, religious beliefs and
things of that nature.
So it can get a little bittricky when you're trying to
kind of delve into it and getkind of the I don't know the
real nuts and bolts ofeverything behind it.

(05:38):
And then sometimes you've gotto bring in the scientific part
of it too to see kind of how itall washes together.
And I think it's it's probablya very personal and different
experience for each individualtoo.
I would think there's not a onesize fits all.
You know what I mean.
It would be almost impossible.
Well, I would imagine there'sgoing to be some, some
similarities.

(05:58):
I would imagine there's gottabe some very unique things that
each person that's had one ofthese has had, so kind of
getting started.
So let's talk about it.
Let's talk about the book.
So we, like I said, nicole'shad a chance to read it and I'm
going to get there, I promise.
We just haven't had a chance towith work, but Verified

(06:20):
Near-Death Experiences Proof ofan Afterlife.
Aside from the numerous amountof content that you've created
behind it, what made you decideto write a book about it.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I feel like I've been doing the podcast because I
come across this amazinginformation.
For years I've been readingbooks and I think this is
amazing and I felt like morepeople should know about it
because it because it's thething that can indicate that
when we die we're not justcompletely annihilated, that our
consciousness continues, andfor a lot of people that's a

(06:56):
very scary thought that thatwould happen to us.
But when there's all thesethings that connect up, like
children with past life memoriesand near-death experiences and
you know mediumship, and thenthere's deathbed visions and
there's past life regression andthere's something called shared
death experiences and terminallucidity parts of this puzzle

(07:26):
and it's a thing.
We don't have all the parts ofthe puzzle, but we've got some
of them and you can see how theyall link up and they they make
sense of each other and it alldoes really point towards
consciousness surviving deathand that your brain is not the
source of consciousness.
And I talked to a guy recentlyon my podcast called Dr Robert
Davis.
He's retired now but for 30years he was professor of

(07:48):
neuroscience at New YorkUniversity or the University of
New York.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Right NYU.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I don't know which way around, but yes, I read his
book and there's some weirdbrain stuff that he talks about
where there's something calledhydrocephalus.
There's some weird brain stuffthat he talks about where
there's something calledhydrocephalus, which is when
there's enormous amount ofliquid buildup in the skull, and
it can be when the baby's inthe womb and the brain matter is
pushed right up, so it's just alining of the skull.

(08:17):
And there are people who arecompletely.
You would have no idea thatthat is what happened to them,
but it's later on.
You out this straight-A studentyou know who may be great in
college and he has some reasonto have a scan on his brain and
they find he virtually doesn'thave one.
And then there was another womanwho she needed surgery and it

(08:43):
affected the whole left side ofher brain.
I think it was her left sideand it was completely gone.
So she only had the left sideof her brain.
I think it was a left side andit was completely gone.
So she only had the right sideof her brain, but it didn't
affect her personality, as shewas as a person.
She was still there and it'salmost like that the brain is a,
a processing unit or somethingthat they're like a receiver,
for sure a radio.

(09:04):
And if the radio breaks, itdoesn't mean the radio station
stops transmitting.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Great analogy yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I've had great interest in all of this and so I
came around to write a bookabout it because I had all that
information and I knew there wasmore detail there.
And this book about verifiednear-death experiences they're
called Veridical, which is in mybook.

(09:31):
It's veridical comes from thelatin word veridicus to mean the
truth, and with veridical onesI only know of one other book
about veridical near-deathexperiences.
All the other books that I'veever found and all the stuff
I've done with the podcast.
They mention it but they don'treally study it and make it the
function of the book, the focusof the book.
So I thought that's what I wantto do.
I want to get this out topeople.

(09:53):
So that's what the book's about.
It's these incidences whensomebody has a near-death
experience and they have thatout-of-body experience and
they're looking down on theirbody and they'll see something
happen while they're dead andbecause it may be in an
operating theatre, the brain ishooked up to a machine.
The heart is so they can seethe heart stop beating, the

(10:15):
brain is flatlined and then theperson will recount to the team
what happened during theresuscitation and the medical
team can say but you can't haveseen that.
We know your brain wasflatlined when that happened and
they said, no, I was at theceiling, I was watching it.
But in my book there's about 30near-death experiences and

(10:36):
there's all sorts ofverifications in there.
So that was in the operatingtheater, but I've got one with a
guy that was in an apartmentseven kilometers away.
He was very accurate about whathappened while he was in
hospital having cpr, so thatthere's all sorts of things in
this book and it's thatverification.
They see something thathappened while they're dead.

(10:56):
And uh, dr eban alexander was onmy podcast.
He was professor ofneurosurgery at harvard medical
school.
He told me that when your heartstops, your brain will flatline
within about 20 seconds and itis impossible for your brain to
make and retain complex memorieswhile it's in that state.
And yet that is what thesepeople do and they see it from a

(11:19):
perspective of outside the body.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Wow, yeah, I think I know which story you're talking
about, where they traveled tothe body.
Wow, yeah, I think I know whichstory you're talking about,
where they traveled to theapartment.
It was the one where I think itwas the nurse's family that he
visited the apartment and he wasable to tell, like the
husband's socks, what was on hissocks.
It was crazy.
Oh, that's odd.
I was like, yeah, yeah, it wasfascinating, fascinating story.

(11:44):
You know when?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
it comes to death.
You know, unfortunately it'ssomething we're all going to do.
There's no escape from it.
It is at the end for all of usand, as I find myself getting a
little bit on the in a golf term, on the back nine of this
mortal coil, you know, I realizethat it is something that I

(12:07):
have to entertain.
I know it's there and there's alot of fear behind it.
Did you find that that kind of?
Obviously you've got a lot ofcontent in it and not knowing
how you particularly feel aboutit, but did you find that with
these experiencers, did theyhave a completely new outlook on
?
You know sort of what kind ofis there at the end for all of

(12:28):
us?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, it's a thing that just about all near-death
experiencers say is they have nofear of death at all.
They know that when you die,losing your body is just like
taking an overcoat off and it'sjust a transition to another
form of existence.
And often they get into thatstate and they'll say that this

(12:50):
is just one of your lives andthat this is an existence.
You know this life is gone, butthen I know about all the
others now and I know that I'llhave more lives to come, and
there's pretty much a universalmessage from people who have
near-death experience who saythere's nothing to fear in death
.
It's just a transition.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
That is very comforting.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's what I've always heard from most of the
people that well, we've had whatone near-death experiencer and
one shared-death experiencer onour podcast as well, and they
both said the same thing.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, shared-death blows me away.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It was the first time I'd ever heard of that
experience.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I'd never heard of that before, but I would
imagine it's so cathartic tohave something like that happen,
and I don't know if we coveredthis the last time we spoke, and
I think we did.
But and my audience is ouraudience, rather, is pretty
pretty well knows about this,but I had a brain bleed, oh gosh
.
What is it now?
A couple of years now two tothree years, about two or three

(13:56):
years ago and for me itabsolutely was like a light
switch bang.
I was gone.
But it's hard for me to kind ofcorrelate with some of this
because for me it was justcomplete, it was a void and I
never got any experience at all.
So whenever I talk with someoneor, I guess, sit down and try
to have a rational conversation,I always try to try to figure

(14:19):
out what it was that I got toexperience.
Now, I'm not saying it was neardeath because I don't know, but
what I know happened is I gotthis brain bleed, I shut down
completely, went out, and toexplain to somebody that that
there was a void, it's not evenwhat a void is, it is absolutely

(14:39):
non existence, and then it's.
That has been really thehardest thing for me to digest
about that entire experience.
So, but it was fast.
It was so fast that you know,my eyes were still open.
You know people who came, youknow, to help me.
My eyes were still open.
It had happened that fast.
So I always wonder, knowing thatconsciousness and not knowing

(15:05):
what, where consciousness lives.
It's always been one of thosethings to rationalize, because
my brain, for all intents andpurposes, was shut down.
Was it flatline?
Probably not, cause I wouldimagine my heart would have
stopped and and all those sortof things.
But you know, when I came to,you know, granted, it took an
entire year for me to recoverfrom that and then some.
But but yeah, I'm always, Iguess I'm always really looking

(15:31):
for an answer of where thatconsciousness lives.
And with what you've written,nobody knows for sure.
But have you got some thoughtskind of of where, where our
genesis comes from?
Because I'm with you, I don'tbelieve that your consciousness
resides in your brain, because Ihad that brain bleeding.

(15:52):
It affected such a largeportion of it that I know
everything kind of remapped.
You know it's very dynamic.
Things kind of went back around.
You know, you always think thatin the brain you've got one spot
that controls this and if thatgets damaged it never works
again.
Now, while there's some truthbehind that, there's also kind
of a misnomer behind that,because it will, if it's capable

(16:15):
, kind of remap some of that.
And we've had brain surgeons.
Well, we had a brain surgeon onand you know we kind of talked
about that, but uh, but yeah, Iguess my long diatribe goes to
where, where do you believe, orwhat are some of your
experiences believe kind ofwhere their consciousness uh
lies well, they seem to suggestthat, um, what we experience of

(16:43):
the world, of the universe, issuch a tiny fraction of what's
actually there and where is ourconsciousness?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's right here, it's all around us, and they talk
about this amazing connectionwhen they're in that space where
they may meet up with all theseother spirits or souls and
they're all connected and theyknow each other absolutely and
it's everywhere.
You know it's.
I suppose it's like the, thething the bible will say god is

(17:12):
everywhere.
It's like this.
This, uh, afterlife iseverywhere.
Yeah, but, um, what you'retalking about with your
experience is one of the thingsabout near-death experiences is
only a like 12, 15 percent ofpeople who have a near-death
sort of physical episoderemember, having an experience

(17:35):
of being outside the body andall that spiritual stuff.
Most people don't have anear-death experience when they
have a heart attack or something, and I've wondered why that is.
And there's I know, oneresearcher I'm sorry, one
researcher who thinks it's thateverybody has it but not
everybody remembers.
And there's another feelingthat a near-death experience is

(17:59):
a real, spirituallytransformative experience and
the spirit world might bewatching you and seeing how
you're living your life andthinking.
You know what.
We need to have a word with themand when they have the
near-death experience, like,quick, grab him, he's, he's,
he's dead we can talk to him now, wow that's a good point yeah,

(18:19):
I have had, uh, as ahypnotherapist, a couple of
people who've asked me toregress them to that point where
they had some kind of episodeof a heart attack or something,
to see if they had a near deathexperience.
And little things have come upin the hypnosis, little memories
.
And there's also there's othertimes people have a near death
experience and they're with whatyou might call their spirit

(18:42):
guides and those might say tothem something like we're not
going to let you remember thisexperience, the whole of it,
we're just going to let youremember enough so that you
realized it happened and youbelieved in it.
So it's as though the spiritworld can take away the whole
memory of it if they need to,and maybe that's something that

(19:03):
happened to you.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
That is fascinating, I will say.
Since that happened, I havechanged quite a bit.
Honestly, that was kind of thegenesis of our show really kind
of started with that, because weboth, even though she didn't
have the experience well, shehad the experience, just in a
different way, still traumatic,still traumatic.

(19:25):
And we've been searching foranswers for a lot of different
things.
But no, that makes sense.
I'd be interested to find outif I did in fact have one,
because I do feel like myconsciousness and what I do and
what I value completely skewedafter that.
So it is something that I mayhave to hit you up which I'm

(19:52):
absolutely, in fact, if I werewe literally just talked about
this the other day If we were toever do one of those we're
calling you we're not doing itwith anybody else, we know you,
we trust you at this point, butoh great.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I got a soothing voice.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
yeah, I'm telling you , man, it's amazing you know, we
talk, I, I love all our guests,they're all absolutely
cherished.
But there are some select fewthat when you speak to them
there's just, there's an ebb andflow and I mean, I I'm not
going to say you have apodcaster's voice, because
there's so many podcasters outthere who the heck knows what
that really means.
But you know, it's it's, it'svery soothing.

(20:30):
So anyway, probably go on forhours about that.
But okay, so let's go.
Let's talk a little bit aboutsome of the stories.
Now I'm at a little bit of adisadvantage because I know
Nicole's read half and you wroteit.
But what were, I guess, whatwere the ones and I'm sure each
one of them has a very specialmeaning, or you wouldn't have

(20:53):
taken the time to to write aboutit.
But what would be one of the Iguess one of the cornerstone
stories that went okay, this issomething that either a you
hadn't expected or b?
Um, that would really beshocking.
A lot of people wouldn't quitewrap their heads around well,

(21:14):
there's so much in the book.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I mean there's, um, this guy, randy schaefer, who
had his near-death experience.
He was in a coma when he hadcovid and he had a 3% chance of
surviving and he had fourdifferent episodes of near-death
experience during that.
But the thing that was reallygreat of the verification this

(21:37):
type of verification, was thattowards the end of his last
experience, this man appearedwho he didn't know who it was
and he kept on saying tellmadison at the salon, I'm okay.
And then he kept on hearing theword veteran in his mind and he
saw this man on a white porchand he had all these flags and

(22:00):
he was making up red, white andblue ribbons and things.
And when he came out of thecoma and eventually got home and
he needed a haircut, he waslooking for a card for a hair
salon and he found one, gave itto his daughter and said can you
book me in?
And she came back and said thisis Madison.
So they booked the haircut andhe went.

(22:24):
While he was sitting in thechair having a haircut, he
explained to her that I saw thisguy who said tell madison at
the salon and he described hedescribes the man to her and she
said that's, that's mygrandfather.
He died about a year ago.
And so randy said, did he livein this town?
Because he was worried thathe'd seen him somewhere and that

(22:46):
was where he got the image from.
But she said no, he lived inIdaho, they were in Florida and
he'd never been to Florida.
So he started saying, well, youknow, he said that there was
the white porch and he saw himmaking up these ribbons and he
had these flags and the wordveteran.
And she said, yes, he, he wouldsit on his white porch and, you

(23:08):
know, and make that stuff up,because he was a veteran and
they have veterans day and hetook a big part in that.
And so he um got uh, this, thisguy, john, he was the guy that
died the grandmother's phonenumber and called her up in
Idaho and said look, my name isKathy.
He said this is what happenedand this is what I saw.

(23:29):
And she sent him a photographand that was it.
That was exactly the guy thathe had seen during the
near-death experience, and sothat was a real strong
confirmation.
And eventually he went to visitand he stood on that white
porch, was exactly as he'd seenit during the near-death
experience.
And so Kathy said to him youknow, this isn't the first time

(23:53):
John's tried to make contact, asthen it's weird with business
cards because she found abusiness card in his drawer that
was for an insurance companyand she thought maybe he had
some life insurance.
So she called the number andthe guy answered and he said no,
I have nothing to do withinsurance.
And he said what number did youdial?
And she said I dialed thisnumber.
And he said oh, you got thearea code wrong.

(24:14):
I'm in California.
And he said who are you?
And he said well, I'm Kathy andI'm in Idaho.
And he goes hang on, you'reKathy in Idaho.
I had an accident on a motorbikecouple of weeks ago and it was
really bad and while I was lyingon the tarmac I nearly died.
I heard somebody shouting at metell Kathy in Idaho, I'm okay,

(24:38):
just shouting it over and over.
And he had his motorcycle crashout in the countryside, not in
a town or something.
When the ambulance was there.
He asked them who was there andthe ambulance said there was no
one there, you were all byyourself.
So there's, there's a couple offunny little verifications there
that this guy he saw during thenear-death experience and how

(24:59):
he's found another way tocommunicate.
And it's also that, thatconnection with Kathy and the
insurance guy, the string ofevents that would have to come
together, that she would have tomisdial his number and it would
happen to be in and they wouldhave that conversation.
And so how would John know twoweeks in advance that he would

(25:20):
make a misdialed phone call tothis guy?
It's almost like, you know, theguy in the dead guy knew the
future.
He knew what was going tohappen.
God, that is wonderful.
Or maybe John interfered withthe phone call and when she
dialed he messed up the dial onpurpose from his side, somehow
electronically Right.
I just don't know, but I lovethat story.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
That is amazing I hadn't gotten to that one.
Yeah, that's yeah, First of all.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's so leveled and layered.
You know, it's so much morethan just Determined.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Oh yeah, very determined, yeah, for sure, to
pass on his message yeah that'sfor sure.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
But you know, you hear about some of these and
it's just, they're all valid,there's nothing wrong with it.
And they're all valid, there'snothing wrong with it.
But you know, this one inparticular has got so much, like
I said, it's just very layered,so it's interesting.
I would imagine that's probablyone of the ones that I would
agree with you.
That is one of those where,okay, you could have easily

(26:19):
pawned off maybe one of those Idon't know about easily, but
maybe one of those events youcould have maybe talked yourself
out of or rationalized it insome way, shape or form to say,
ok, well, maybe it's just verycoincidental or, you know, there
may be some other explanationbehind it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But when you put it all together and you look at it
from that holistic view, I meanjust wow, what an amazing
accounting and he had quite aset of experiences with the what
you might call the spirit worldand things that happened that
were quite strange.
And there was a point where he,in his first part of his

(26:59):
near-death experience, he foundhimself in this incredible hall
that was so big and so tall andso beautiful.
And this guy was standing nextto him who said you like this
place?
And he goes yeah, I love thisplace.
And the guy said this is calledthe welcoming hall, this is
where people come to, and theywere talking about it.
And then the guy said to himyou're not supposed to be here,

(27:21):
you've got to leave.
And so he had to leave the halland he went out through these
big wooden doors and he was inthis amazing city which he said
was beyond anything on earth.
The skyscraper is so tall andit was so beautiful and he felt
kind of lost.
He didn't know where to go.
And they saw this stairwaygoing up into the sky, you know,

(27:43):
like a stairway to heaven, andhe started going up these stairs
and then he heard a voicebehind him shout look, there's
george, grab him.
Well, there's randy, grab him.
And and uh, so he felt thispull on his collar and then he
went into back into the coma andhe was completely unconscious.
It just seems weird that thatwould happen in the spirit world

(28:04):
, I know.
There he is.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
We lost him, that's so wild, that's so amazing.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I know there were a few stories that I had read and
I thought it was so interestingtalking about and most of them,
I think, were in the hospitaland they were, you know,
flatlining or whatever the casewas at the time, and they were
trying, you know, flatlining orwhatever the case was at the
time, and they were trying tolook at something, like they
were up on the ceiling and theywanted a closer look, and they
said that they felt like theyvibrated and changed their

(28:34):
frequency and then they werelike right on top of it and were
able to see things clearly.
And there were a few storieslike that and I thought that was
super interesting because we'vetalked to a few people talking
about, um, even like time travel.
They think that, you know, ifwe ever were able to do
something like that, it wouldhave to be in the mind and it
would have to do with changingyour frequency.

(28:56):
So I thought that was superinteresting yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's the weird thing, isn't it?
It's the first chapter.
The lady who's on that, thatbed and, uh, she dies while
she's in this procedure in thehospital and they're putting the
dye into her spine to see wherethe dye leaks out of her spine
because of this injury, but theytip the table the wrong way and
the dye goes into her brain andkills her yeah and when she's

(29:23):
up at the ceiling, she sees thisbox they quickly set up and
it's it's measuring her heartrate, I think, and it's flat
lined.
Yeah, she wanted to look at itand then suddenly she said it's
like she's that close to it andshe could see it in perfect
detail.
And when she had enoughinformation, then suddenly she
was back on the ceiling again.
Yeah, and there's.
There's a couple like that inthe book, isn't there?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
yeah, yeah, I thought it was just like.
I just was like whoa, you know,because we had heard and talked
about this multiple times aboutvi, you know, vibrating and
changing your frequency andbeing able to travel from you
know different dimensions anddifferent time, and for that to
happen in like an nde, anafterlife type space.

(30:04):
I mean it just verified, likewhat everybody's already
guessing as to what could happen.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, it's the Hungarian guy that talks about
that.
And when he was in the hospitaland he went into the hospital
the nurse's room next door tothe ward and there was a nurse
taking all those bits out of thecupboard and putting them on
the trolley, and she dropped onethat went under the cabinet and
he wanted to get a look at itand it's that again, there's
that thing.
He suddenly it's four inchesaway from him.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And he memorized the serial number on there and what
was written on it and later hetold the doctor about the serial
number and everything and thathe was completely correct about
this thing that was under acabinet in a room that he's
supposedly never been in right.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, the doctor went and checked underneath and
found it.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, isn't that crazy yeah, and it kind of makes
me think about.
You know, we talk aboutskeptics and, granted our
audience or there are plenty ofthem, as I'm sure probably with
your audience as well and Ithink that I'm kind of a bit
more on the skeptic side for alot of different things, and you

(31:09):
know, you kind of mentionedthat you're sort of in the same
boat.
But what do you hope thatskeptics get out of this book?
Because I I think whateventually happens, especially
when you study the paranormal inany way, shape or form, you
start to notice that yourproficiencies for reality start
to dwindle down a little bit,because it just there's a lot of

(31:32):
stuff that just becomes ultraquestionable.
But, um, you know, for those ofus who are a little bit more
skeptical, what do you kind ofhope they they get out of this?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
well, it's a might be a path forwards, a step
forwards on a physical sorry, ona spiritual path, if they're
interested in it.
It's uh, it's good to beskeptical and but I'll still be
open-minded and not justcompletely shut down anything.
You know, it's like um in thefirst story in the book, the

(32:03):
woman's telling the neurosurgeonabout what happened, you know,
after she's woken up from hernear-death experience and he's
standing next to her and he shesaid he clenched his fists and
he clenched his teeth and hegoes I'm not going to stand here
and listen to any more of this.
And he stormed out of the room.
And you know that's a realclosed-minded skeptic kind of
thing yeah, but but it's.

(32:25):
It's got so many different bitsof verification in here.
People couldn't possibly haveknown these things under any
normal circumstances and thereis a skeptical point of view to
say, well, if they were in theoperating theater watching what
happened while they were beingresuscitated, maybe they did
have some kind of consciousness,and that's how come they knew
what happened.

(32:45):
But you know, there's one ofthe guys who points out that
man's socks in the apartmentseven kilometres away.
And then I've got people whoare down the hallway in the
hospital, in the waiting room,who know what happened in that
waiting room.
Or they know what happened onthe other side of town and
there's a guy, he's, uh, inhospital after this car crash

(33:08):
and his mum calls his uncle andhis uncle was driving his car on
the way to california takinghis family on holiday and he
said to the family we've got toturn around and go back because
malcolm's in the hospital andhis kids in the back were saying
, oh, we don't care aboutMalcolm, let's go to California

(33:28):
and it's like.
But Malcolm was able to talk tothem later and describe
everything that happened in thecar.
You know that was miles away ona highway and they, they.
They just couldn't explain howdid he know that?
And he said that he could be inboth places at once.
He could be with his mom whileshe was on the phone and he
could be in the car and he couldhear their thoughts as well as

(33:50):
what they were saying, and it'sthat kind of spiritual
connection that we were talkingabout and things that near-death
experiences say that you justcan't describe actually what
their experience is because it'sso different to what we
experience right, yeah, that's,that's splitting.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Just I cannot figure it out, like how they're able to
, and I think when we talkedabout the shared death
experience, it was kind of likethat like you felt like I think
the other person that he had theshared death experience with
was able to be in two places atonce the woman that had passed

(34:29):
or was in the coma was able tobe with one other person and him
at the same time, and twopeople were having a shared
death experience at the sametime with the woman.
But they weren't all together inthree, they were like separated
, and that just kind of blew mymind how that could even happen.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, and you get a lot of this too.
Again, skeptics there have beenseveral times in my life and I
know other stories exist and I'msure, Simon, you've had plenty
of these and you've probablytalked to a lot of people that
have had them.
Where, you know, there's alwaysthat old age story about the
mother was in another city.
She, her hand was hurting.

(35:08):
She picked up the phone, calledher daughter, found out that
she had burnt her hand on astove.
There's that sort of connection, right, the connection.
And then even for myselfhonestly I think this just
happened this week I told Nicole, I said, hey, your phone's
ringing, and she said no, it'snot.
And then it started ringing.
Had never hadn't rung yet.
Yeah, that was kind of weird,it was a little bit spooky.

(35:34):
I can't explain that, but it'slike being able to get that
frequency and that, thatvibration, maybe ahead of time.
So you know, there's alwayssome of that that exists, even
on our plane right now wherewe're at.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So it's just Just amplified, right.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
It's just amplified.
So, Simon, with the, with thedoctors and with the health care
professionals, again I I don'tknock anything that they say,
but they've always got to be ona very scientific kind of.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, but you would think they'd be the ones
experiencing this.
Well, sure, most like hearingthe most about it because
they're right there when thesepatients wake up and I'm curious
to how many actually do, butjust don't say anything about it
, yeah because it's on a kind ofa career path they don't want
to go down, but um, what do you?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
have you spoken to them?
Have they been part of any ofyour research?
And kind of like, what are theysaying about it?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, I haven't talked to any real skeptics and
I've talked to doctors who haveexperienced something and it's
completely changed their pointof view.
In the book there's Jeff Olsonand Jeff O'Driscoll.
Jeff Olson was in this terriblecar crash and it was his fault,

(36:47):
he thinks, and his wife and oneof his children died in the
crash.
And when he got to hospitalhe's in the trauma unit and he
saw her spirit come to him andtell him not to worry and say
something like everything is asit should be.
But at the same time JeffO'Driscoll, the doctor and one
of the nurses they saw her aswell.

(37:09):
So that's kind of like a shareddeath experience yeah a
verification that she was thereand she communicated with Dr
O'Driscoll as well.
So you know that that changedtheir viewpoint.
Dr edmund alexander was acomplete materialist until he
had his near-death experience.
And there's dr penny sartori,but she was a nurse.

(37:31):
I think it was 17 years.
She worked in the icu beforeshe moved on and now she's a
doctor and she saw all sorts ofthings and people would tell her
about near-death experiencesbecause she had just
resuscitated them, and so that'show she got into it and I don't
think she particularly had aninterest at the time.

(37:52):
And I remember she said that herfirst night as working as a
nurse she worked in a hospiceand she was arrived there and
they have a briefing before theystart the shift and the lady in
charge was saying a patient inroom 17 is talking to people

(38:12):
that aren't there, so we expectthem to pass away in the next
couple of days.
And penny sartori was like, ah,they're playing a trick, I'm
the new girl, girl, it's play aprank on the new girl.
But she went in there and therewas this person having a
conversation with somebody whowasn't there and it was the, you
know, deathbed vision which somany people have, yeah, and so

(38:34):
many hospice nurses see.
But I think you know the pointabout having doctors who are
very sceptical.
I think it's the nurses thatsee most of this stuff, because
they're the ones that are reallythere most of the time looking
after the patients and thedoctors will only come in when
they're needed.
That makes perfect sense.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, and I think there are a couple of good books
out written by hospice nursestalking about all their sorts of
experiences they've seen.
Yeah, I mean, you see those on.
You know, if you're doing adoom scroll on one of the social
sites, you always see andthere's a very, very popular
nurse that's on those where theyknow, as a hospice nurse, that

(39:15):
as they're on their deathbed yousee people reaching up.
There's a very well-knowndocument, documented phenomenon
that happens when you knowsomeone's about to pass, because
they're sort of reaching outand seeing something.
And it's one of those whereit's just, it's a consistency.
You see it a lot and you know.
Of course people can write thatoff, as you know, neurons

(39:36):
firing or whatever you want tosay, but Well, that's a
scientific explanation, rightyeah.
But if that many people arehaving it, I don't know it's, I
don't know.
I do believe in Occam's razor,but I also believe that there's
a lot more kind of involved withthat and kind of with that.
What have you found?

(39:57):
Are some of the similaritiesthat are a bit more astounding?
Now again, we kind of talkedabout each one of them's got to
have somewhat of a completelyindividualized experience, but
there's got to be somesimilarities similar to like
what I just talked about.
Is that kind of something thatyou found a little bit?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
yeah, with near-death experiences, there seems to be
a place that you might call anidealized version of earth, and
I think three or four otherpeople in the book talk about
going to this incrediblebuilding that is so big and
looks so amazing.
It's got big greek romancolumns at the front and huge
stairs leading up to it and it'slike a university and there's

(40:39):
all these people coming andgoing and all these different
people in the book are sayingthey go up the stairs and they
enter and there's bookshelves upto the ceiling and all these
people at tables examining andreading stuff, and so that's the
consistency that's shown up.
The people seem to bedescribing the same building.
And there's the life review,which shows up a lot in the book

(41:02):
, where people see their wholelife all over again, but they
experience it from otherpeople's point of view.
They feel the emotions and itcan be a very harrowing
experience for some people, butthat's a real learning
experience and I think that'sone of the things that really
changes people who have a neardeath experience, because they

(41:23):
come back and they treat peopledifferently and they realize the
slightest little thing has sucha ripple effect and goes out
and can affect so much, becausethere's a guy in the book, um,
george ritchie, and hisexperience was 1941, I think or
42, and he was uh at a camp intraining before he was going to

(41:45):
fight in europe and he was inthe army and he had terrible
pneumonia and he had this uh,near-death experience and he met
this incredible spiritual beingwhich he interpreted as being
jesus.
And jesus will ask him thesequestions and one of them is
what have you achieved in life?
And he was just a young man,you know, and he thought, um, oh

(42:07):
, I was eagle scout and he'squite proud of himself.
But then this, the spiritualbeing of Jesus, said to him no,
what have you achieved?
And it was.
Then he realized it was aboutwho have you loved and how much
have you loved them and how manytimes have you done anything to
be kind to people.

(42:27):
And that's what it was allabout.
And it's not about some massiveachievement you've done to help
people.
It could just be the slightestlittle thing where you make
somebody feel a bit happier, andthat's what's important.
Somebody feel a bit happier,and that that's what's important
.
And I see that showing up indifferent near-death experiences

(42:48):
, the idea you know of it's allabout caring for other people,
and there was one guy he wasasked three questions about like
could you look a fellow humanin the eye and say you've been a
good man?
And he had to answer answer no.
And there were three questionslike that and he had to answer
no to all three of them, andthat was a real shock for him,
really pointed out to him howhe'd been living his life and

(43:12):
how much he needed to change.
And so he had a weird lifereview as well, and people get
these life reviews and they seemto manifest in all sorts of
different ways, but basicallyit's the same experience.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So, yeah, I read a few of those and and I I think
there was one and it was a womanI cannot remember her name
talked about I don't think theywere going to send her back, but
she's like no, I need to goback.
And they're like how are yougoing to behave and what is your
life's purpose going to be?
And she had to come up withthat and that was her way back.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Basically, she had to be different and do something
different to get back, that'swild.
Yeah, first of all, when yousaid the building with a lot of
columns, for some reason Ithought I've led zeppelin houses
of the holy, but uh, which mayI just like that there's books
there's like a library.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That would make me happy yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So those of you who don't read and just want to look
at ipads, this is what you gotcoming in, um, but no, it's.
That's so fascinating.
And what's interesting is thatI've actually seen some of this.
Like we've had movies wherethey've kind of touched on this
a little bit.
I think one was like I knowAlbert Brooks was in it with
Meryl Streep and it was calledlike Defending your Life or

(44:32):
something like that.
Yeah, and this has somewhatbeen explored before.
So that's interesting, thatthere's that continuity, and it
is one of those?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
yeah, there's.
There's a david niven filmcalled a matter of life and
death.
Have you?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
seen that one I know about.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I have not seen it, but yes, I do absolutely know
about that movie yeah, when hewas a pilot in the second world
war, and he gets shot down andthe spirit world missed him, and
so he carries on living, andthen they send this 17th century
Frenchman who's quite a dandyto go and collect him.
The pilot's saying, no, I don'twant to go.
And eventually it ends up inkind of some kind of spiritual

(45:13):
courtroom where he has to have alawyer defending him and then
the prosecution's trying to makeit that no, you've got to come
to heaven, I don't want to go toheaven yet.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
That's true, that's cool.
It's so interesting.
You know you see these thingsand you always go well, you know
it's just fanciful thinking andyou know, by and large, a lot
of it is.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
But then you get it down to some of these
experiences and you're like OK,some of these people that have
written this stuff.
You've got to wonder what didthey know that we didn't at that
time?
You know, yeah, well, this hasbeen happening forever.
It's just I think we've, youknow, yeah, basically buried our
head in the sand and worryabout working our job and you
know, get all I don't know yeah,I mean there's a lot of it out
there, I do I think that weWe've walked away from the
spiritual path Right Basically.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Right, yeah, and we spoke with a guy I don't know if
you know familiar with him, buthis name is Peter Panagore and
he had kind of told us a few ofthe of the things that he'd been
.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
He died what three times and had indies every
single time yeah, it's prettyfast now.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Have you had a chance to speak with him?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I have yeah, yeah and um, it was a while ago and
sometimes people ask me aboutepisode here, episode there, and
I'm like, oh man, I've done 800, I'm not sure I can remember
exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
That's hard to remember, yeah we're getting to
that point too, where we're.
We're like sure, I remembertalking about that.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, he actually spoke about being shown his life
and having to feel like the badthings that he did to other
people or how he hurt someone,and he said it felt like it was
like over 100,000 times harderon him than what he actually did
to the person times harder onhim than what he?
actually did to the person andhe interpreted it as like maybe

(47:04):
that's what hell is in the Bible, is that you're having to feel
the pain that you inflicted onsomeone else.
And that's actually theinterpretation.
And I just remember that partof the interview because it,
like, really affected me.
I'm like that's.
I mean, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
yeah yeah, that shows up in the life review a lot
yeah yeah well, you know kind of, I guess sort of in closing
there's there's so much that wecould probably delve into number
one.
We don't want to giveeverything away because no, we
want people to read the book.
I think that this is one ofthose where you know it's just

(47:44):
going to really get to people tounderstand that you know we're
all headed here, we're all goingto pass at some point, you know
, like it or not, and some of ushave done it already and have
come back from it.
So you know it's.
I think it's more one of thoseinformational things, if you get
anything out of it.

(48:05):
You know, kind of like what yousaid.
I mean, we're talking aboutpeople that have been through
this amazing experience and have, you know, this cathartic thing
that they've had happen to them, and they're telling people you
especially that hey, you know,don't be such a cheesehead.
You know there's, there's a lotof things happening where you
know at the end it's going tomatter.
You know that it it's going tomatter and you need to need to

(48:29):
realize that there's no need forsome of this craziness.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So yeah, and thank you for putting all these
together into a book, because II think collecting these and
putting them in one source forpeople to just read I think gets
it out there much easier than,like you said, doing 800
podcasts.
People may not get through allof those, but this kind of you
know brings it all together andpeople can just read it and they
can reread it and they canshare it, and I think that's

(48:54):
really great that you did thatyeah.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I'm hoping it's kind of like a book that's full of
really dramatic short storiesand you get drawn into them.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, absolutely they are.
And I can speak to that becauseI would just be like wow, and
I'd have to pause after everyone before I moved on to the
next one and kind of justprocess it because it is, it's
just massive yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Can I ask you about your experience?
Sure, when you're talking abouta void yeah, I'm absolutely
comfortable with that and wouldyou say you were conscious and
you felt you were in a void, orare you saying that it's like
when you're asleep and you haveno consciousness?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
So what it was like for me was so you have the
symptoms of the brain bleedwhere you know half of my arm
wasn't working right and youknow the physicality part of it.
So when I sat down outside, Ihad my back up against a stupid
I shouldn't have thought thatbut I had my back up against a

(49:54):
brick wall.
Well, when, when the light shutoff, I fell backwards and my
head went completely down.
Every brick completelyscratched my head and I got a
concussion.
What I can tell you is from themoment that the light turned
out and from the moment that theparamedic was looking at me and

(50:17):
hearing my boss's voice.
And well, there he is, becausethey saw me come back, they
witnessed it.
There was like a piece of theVCR tape that went black.
I was there, but not.

(50:38):
It was just a complete void ofeverything.
I couldn't sense anything, Icouldn't.
I thought it was like a part ofnon-existence, but yet I knew
it was there.
It's the weirdest thing, like I.
I know I was in this place.

(50:59):
I know that it was completevoid of everything light,
thought, smell, everything butyet I knew I was there.
I don't know how long I wasthere, I don't know, I've always
thought I just didn't exist fora few minutes.
But yet to know that there wasdarkness, I had to have
something.
You know, I had to have knownthat because there wasn't like

(51:22):
lights out, lights on.
There was a very tangible partthere where it just went black
and then I came to.
That's the part I have a veryhard time rationalizing.
Is that?
What was that?
What was that black?
Was it?
My brain is still working, butnone of my senses were working?

(51:47):
Was it that?
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
I honestly I don't have an explanation for it yeah,
and I hear this in near-deathexperiences that void and um,
it's like there's a lady in thebook who's in the void.
She says it's for an eternityand she doesn't have any, uh,
concept that she had a life andshe's just kind of existing.

(52:11):
Yes, and it's.
She starts, then starts to comeout of it and thinks about,
well, what happens next?
And when she thought that, shethought, thought, oh, hang on,
there's a thing called time,where things happen one after
another, and that's when shestarts coming back from it.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
But it sounds just like the void that you're
talking about and I believe andI know that because I was found
a little bit after the incidentI'm pretty certain I died.
I can't explain that to anybody, but I know I died.
I don't know how long it was.
Maybe it was instantaneous,maybe it was a reboot.
I don't know what happened, butin my heart of hearts I feel

(52:55):
like I died.
But it was a very it's a verytight window, at least that's
what I think.
I have no idea.
You know that consciousness, butwhen it happened and when I
came to we're talking about um,because there's tape behind it,
there's people reacting maybe 10minutes between the initial

(53:17):
incident and when you actuallysee the paramedics doing stuff
with me.
I don't know how long it was inbetween that time.
To me it was very, very fast,but yet I can't tell you
anything that happened betweenthat time and when the
paramedics came, because Ididn't see anything.
I wasn't conscious until Ialready had an IV in me.

(53:40):
I was on the stretcher and myboss is at one side and the
paramedics at another side andI'm there, literally about to
put me in the ambulance.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Now, when he called me, when his boss called me, he
said his eyes are open but he'snot talking.
He doesn't seem to know whatwe're saying to him.
Like he's not because they hadto call me to ask questions
about what he was allergic toand all these other things,
Because he was just not likeaware at the time.
It's like the lights were on,but nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Nothing was happening .
I don't think I was there.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Have you ever had any dreams about it?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
See, that's the part that gets tricky, because while
I was healing they put me on somany frickin medications that I
feel like it diluted some ofthat experience.
But I would wake up and you canask her.
In a flat out panic, in liketwo or three o'clock in the
morning, something scared me.
You're talking to a guy who'sI've been in combat, I'm a

(54:43):
veteran, I'm not saying nothingscares me because it does, but I
usually don't rattle that bad.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I just think he knows he died because he it kind of
gave him an anxiety disorderafter this.
He got scared to go to sleep atnight, like he's afraid to just
be alone, and that went on fora long time, almost two years,
yeah.
So I think he did die, even ifit was like a split second, yeah
.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So, to answer your question, I think the answer is
yes, but I can't give you muchmore than that because it's
something that unfortunately putme on medication and I was on
Keppra and all this other stuffand I know my brain was healing
because it had a significantinjury.
But I know I had nightmaresbecause I would wake up in a

(55:32):
flat-out panic and there wouldhave really not been a reason
for that.
I was sleeping, so it's notlike I was like my senses were
saying, oh my gosh, you're aboutto die.
No, I was asleep and then bang,I'd wake up in a flat out panic
, completely sweating in justabsolute terror, filled anxiety.

(55:54):
So my answer is probably yes, Ijust wish I had more to that.
You know, I feel like I dohonestly feel there's a block in
there somewhere, like I've got,like I've almost got this thing
that could potentially be veryimportant.
That happened to me, but I'llnever get to know because, well,

(56:17):
maybe well, yeah maybe you needto do a past life regression it

Speaker 1 (56:21):
does interest me.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I think, it would be beneficial.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
It interests me for sure, but yeah, I just I don't
know Again, I'm almost 100%.
I died.
How fast it was, how long itwas, I don't know, but it's that
complete void.
That's the part that's hard torationalize, because you can't

(56:46):
as much as I try to explain it,I can never tell anybody what
exactly that was like.
It was the absolutenon-existence of everything but
my consciousness.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
That's the.
That's something near-deathexperiencers say is that they
can't really describe it becauseit's so beyond and, uh, the
word is ineffable, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
you just can't say what it was like no, and I wish
I could because it I knowsomething, but I can't give
people a good enough explanationbecause I don't think anything
like that exists on this plane.
You know everybody says well,you go into a dark room.

(57:36):
No, no, no, you know you're ina dark room.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
You know, or you're in a very tight dark space.
You still know you're in a darkroom.
Yeah, you know.
Or you're in a very tight darkspace.
You still know you're there.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Who was it that we spoke with, that you were
talking about that, and theysaid they had heard about it
before and they explained it as,like, how it may have been at
the beginning of time, beforethere was anything Like how it
just, you know, like in theBible, it just there was nothing
.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I think it might've been Peter.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
It might've been Peter.
Yeah, there was nothing, andthen, like you know, everything
started to get created, andthat's how one person described
it, and I thought that kind ofmakes sense actually, and I got
nothing to go against otherwise,because I can't explain it.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
But it's just I, it was.
It's one of those where I nowI'm, I don't, I don't fear death
, but I fear.
I fear the timing of it.
I don't want it to be soon, um,but of course everybody fears
that, but, but it's somethingthat I'm still again.

(58:45):
That is really the genesis ofthe show.
I started this without her atthe beginning and she came on a
few episodes in.
It is something that I've beenreaching for for quite some time
now and, yeah, I, just like Isaid, I'm fairly confident I
died.
I just don't know how longwhere I was, what that meant.

(59:07):
I obviously didn't see anything, and I wish I think the other
part that upsets me is Idesperately wish I had gotten
that cathartic moment, because Ifeel like I got through so much
of that, and then I don't wantto say cheated because I came
back, but I feel like there's apart of me that damn it.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I want to know what that was.
You know?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
But again, maybe I didn't, Maybe they just said
hang on a second, let's shelvethem for a minute.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Maybe it's like the waiting room.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, maybe before I saw the houses of the holy
building, maybe I was like I wasin the waiting room and then
they're like no, you're good,we're going to send you back.
But yeah, I don't know.
It is somewhat comforting tohear that other people have had
a similar experience to that.
Still, it's definitelysomething that I'm going to, I

(01:00:00):
will probably take with me forthe rest of my life, however
long that is that it is what haschanged me.
I can guarantee you that.
The man that was the day priorto the man that you see here
before you no question I havechanged.
I have gone from and I wasalways.
I wasn't a rough person, but Iwas a military person, so I was

(01:00:25):
very direct and very precise inwhat I'd say and I was very
calculated in things.
It seems like since thathappened, I am much more about
the flow, about how things feel.
If you know the, I guess thenature of things, the, the

(01:00:46):
organicness of things that arearound, how we talk, you know
those sort of things are muchmore important to me than the
precision of a particular thingthat I want to have done yeah,
it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
That's how people get changed with near-death
experiences, isn't it?
Yeah, it's one day after thenext yeah, and the thing is, if
you do hypnosis, there's noguarantee what might come up,
might nothing, yeah.
But uh, there's a guy in thisbook who had his near-death
experience when he was sixmonths old, and it was 15 years
later.
He started having dreams aboutit and he talked to his mom

(01:01:23):
about it and she confirmed whathe was seeing in his dreams was
correct.
So it may be something thatstarts to spring up over time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Yeah I mean, honestly , I as as probably as maybe
unnerving, maybe that it mightbe I feel like.
I feel like I'd like to know.
You know I got to go throughthe experience.
At least show me, show me whatyou wanted, you know, show me
what it was for.
I definitely think it was a wayof telling me to hit the brakes

(01:01:54):
because things were coming atme at light speed before that
happened, and I, I know that youknow.
Of course the doctors say, well, it was not stress induced.
Well, I think that's a loadBecause it was.
I was going through was a verystressful time at that point and
I think the physicality brokedown and that's where I got the
brain bleed.
But I don't think, I don't eventhink about that part, because

(01:02:19):
I didn't know before it happened, I didn't feel anything before
it happened.
So if I were to have a brainbleed right now, I'd have no
idea.
You just don't know until youjust you know.
But it's not that part,necessarily that that that I
have fear of, it's the almostthe not knowing what that void

(01:02:39):
was, having to go, go back andhope.
To God I don't get stuck inthat, because that's the part I
fear the most the absence ofeverything except my
consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
One of the things about near-death experiences.
It seems that the experiencethe person has is exactly what
they need, that the experiencethe person has is exactly what
they need.
Maybe that's what they thoughtyou needed to give you the
change that they hoped you'dhave.
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I mean, that's very, very possible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Well, I don't know if you remember this, but after it
happened, I remember he said tome I know what happens when we
die.
And I was like what are youtalking about?
Because from my perspective, hedidn't die at all, like he just
passed out, right?
I mean that's the way thedoctors all explained it, and
everybody I mean all of hiscolleagues and everything and
he's like well, there's nothing,there's nothing.

(01:03:33):
This and.
I think that's why you'reterrified, because you still
think that that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
I don't remember asking.
Well, you don't remember a.
You're telling me that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Well, you don't remember a lot from right after
that.
But yeah, that's what he saidto me there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I hear that.
It's reminding me of timespeople have kind of called out
and something's happened.
Some light has come to them,something moves on from that
space, and two or three peoplein the book even, I think I've
said when they get to that void,they, they get very scared

(01:04:10):
because they think is this, itis this eternity?
Yes, but they did move on, somaybe you did and they didn't
let you remember.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Maybe I wish they would have, though, because it
would actually give me somecomfort, because that is exactly
right.
I know I'm going to die, or?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
maybe you weren't out long enough for you to have
that.
I don't know, I mean if youwent right back, I mean Tough to
say it might be a nudge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I wonder if there are things that happen to us that
are nudging us along ourspiritual path or on some kind
of a path, like when I saw theUFO I saw really close up.
I wondered if it showed itselfto me on purpose to give me a

(01:05:01):
nudge to make me move furtherdown.
And the plan was 10, 20, 20years later be writing a book
and doing a podcast getting theinformation out there.
Yeah, I agree maybe it's it'suh given to you to be a path.
Yeah that your spiritual pathand they wanted you to do the
podcast, and so they're givingyou things that push you to it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
That's very true because, this was all his idea.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I didn't really want to be a part of it um in the
beginning and, yeah, he was justlike.
He was determined he was goingto do this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, and before that work was important.
Everything that I was doing atwork was important.
You know, how much money am Imaking?
Am I advancing enough?
Am I whatever you want to putin that narrative that most
people have when they work?
You know?
Well, I would assume I don'tknow.
But you know everything's workrelated and that is in a

(01:05:49):
corporate world, right yeahthat's the most important thing.
After that event, I could give ashit about any of it.
I could care less, and it notthat I.
I give it its due diligencebecause it is my job.
Okay, I know that I give it theamount of attention it requires
, but nothing more, not a secondmore of my time while I give it

(01:06:14):
.
And that changed 100% because Iknow that when and if that
happens again and that voidcomes to me, none of that
matters ever.
None of it's going to.
None of it means anything.
Now, it's just a way to makemoney and survivability, but in
the long run, in the long schemeof things, it doesn't mean a

(01:06:37):
thing.
That's what it gave me.
It's getting down to what'sreally important?
yep, absolutely.
Yeah, I appreciate you askingme.
Sometimes it helps to talk itout because, uh, it was one of
those where, well, obviously, ithad such a such a monumental

(01:07:00):
impact of my life that not onlydid work completely change its
validity to me, but it's, you'reright, it helped me start the
show.
It helped me start to go down apath of.
We all know what we see here inthe real world well, real world
but I can touch this desk.

(01:07:21):
I know this microphone's infront of me and all those sorts
of things.
But I also know, and I can feel, that there is a very temporal
value to that.
It's not forever, it's as influx as it's ever going to be.
I know that that desk at somepoint will deteriorate and go
away.
Everything has a cycle.

(01:07:43):
I just now know that I alsohave a cycle.
Now I'm going to go away too,and the stuff that I used to
think mattered till no endmatters nothing to me anymore.
I shouldn't say nothing, but itdoesn't.
I don't give it the same valueset that I used to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah, Nobody lies on their deathbed and says I wish
I'd spent more time in theoffice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Right, exactly, I should have finished that
spreadsheet, never going tohappen to me ever again.
So you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I mean, there's a very Seems like all the lessons
are the same.
Yeah, with these NDEs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, and I've always been, do I?
I don't know if I classify itas an nde, but then I do because
I feel that's what happened.
Well, it changed you.
Yeah, it did change me 100, butthat's the thing is I don't
have anything.
You know, I didn't see any.
You know, didn't see any albumcovers, I didn't see any.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
You know, really cool stuff no, but maybe you didn't
need all that no you're right,maybe I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
And, simon, you're right, maybe that was.
That was the point, the nudge Ineeded, because I, we are doing
the show and when this issomething that we're doing, so
it's it's got to be importantenough that a lot of things have
come kind of fallen into placetoo.
Um, you know, mean, it's stilla grind.
Having a show and having apodcast is a grind, no question

(01:09:06):
about it.
You know that.
You know it's not likeeverybody says oh, I'm just
going to start a podcast and youget to like episode 20 and
you're like, oh gosh, it'sreally work.
So you know you're putting alot of time into it, but a lot
of things have sort of sussedout a little bit more than I
would have expected.
We've gotten some amazing peoplelike yourself that we've spoken

(01:09:26):
to.
You know a lot of things havereally fallen into place.
That I'm.
It tells me that, whether ornot I ever, we ever, make, you
know, a large amount of moneyfrom this.
It'd be nice, it'd be nice tobreak even on some of this stuff
, but that's not really the endgoal and it has.

(01:09:47):
It's had a pretty profoundimpact on me and, I think, for
Nicole too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, absolutely, we're both very different.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Since we started this .

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Absolutely yeah.
It's an education in a way,isn't?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Oh, for sure that you can't go to school for.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, it's an education in a way, isn't it?
Oh for sure that you can't goto school for no, it's by
talking to other people and justlearning.
I mean, I've learned so muchfrom everybody we've spoken to.
Yeah, and they always say well,why the paranormal?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Because we could have had a conversation about NDEs
and all those sort of things andtaken a totally different
approach to our show.
But I chose the paranormal forone very important reason not
just the fact that we enjoy it,but because no matter what walk
of life you are, no matter whatuh, what your social, you know

(01:10:36):
background is, what kind ofmonetary portfolio you have, or
who you, who you worship,everybody faces the paranormal
in some way, shape or form.
It's just a catalyst, that'sall it is.
It's the glue that all of uskind of stick to, and it doesn't
care about any of that otherstuff.
And that's why I enjoy it,because I don't care about all

(01:10:56):
that other stuff.
Yeah, yeah, I should put thaton a card, mm, hmm, yeah, I
should put that on a card.
So I guess really we're goingto want to know where to tell
our audience to go.
So where can they find you,where can they find this book?
And kind of, how do they sortof get involved in this?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Well, the book's going to be out on March 24th.
This well, the book's going tobe out on march 24th, although
the the kindle can bepre-ordered now and I've got a
wide distribution, so it's notjust on amazon.
I've done the paperback and thee-book and the audio books are
recorded.
That's all uploaded, so thatwill be out march 24th and I've
it could be in barnes and nobleand sorts of places, although if

(01:11:42):
you go to Barnes Noble youprobably have to order it.
They wouldn't have it on theshelf.
But my website ispastliveshypnosiscouk and that's
where I use this kind ofcentral hub because it links
through to the podcasts as well,and that's our paranormal
afterlife and the Alien UFOpodcast, which is, yeah, those

(01:12:04):
two and also, like we said, I'mpast life regression
hypnotherapist.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
Again, thank you so much forcoming by and what an amazing
gift you're giving to people.
This is just.
I think it's one of those thatpeople need to, like I said,
rationalize.
It's on the table for us all,so why not read a little bit
about it, especially if you'recurious.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I mean these NDE stories, I mean everywhere, are
just fascinating, fascinatingstories.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Absolutely Well, simon, thanks again.
Thank you so much and we lookforward to obviously having you
back and anything else you putout there.
By the way, I am a fan of theufo podcast.
I listen to that quite a bit,so, oh, great, yeah, I'm a
little bit of a ufologist atheart, but anyway, thank you so
much and, uh, look forward totalking you soon.
Yeah, it's been great.

(01:12:55):
Thanks a lot.
Thank you.
Hey, thanks, simon.
Thanks for coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Thank you, simon yeah , that's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I guess we probably unpacked a little more than I
expected, and that's okay.
But what did you think?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I mean I read the book.
So I mean I was excited tospeak with him about it because
the stories in the book are justso fascinating, yeah, I mean,
and I had to, like read one.
And so fascinating, yeah, Imean, and I had to like read one
and then pause.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
And then read one and pause and kind of take it all
in because I mean it does, itdoes sound unbelievable that
that is even possible.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Sure, I mean it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
But how do you, how do you argue that?
How do you argue someone'sexperience, except for calling
them a liar?

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, that's really the only thing you do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
But for especially these people that had these in
the hospital and the doctor andnurses are travels to the nurses
you know nurse's apartment isable to tell them what's on her

(01:14:06):
husband's socks.
Yeah that's crazy and later,which we didn't get to, like the
nurse bring, like, brings thesocks into and says oh yeah,
that's what I saw, like verifiedwith the patient, he traveled
and that's what, and I had neverheard of it like a traveling
one like that before well, yeah,I mean, that was new.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
First of all, to think you're going to travel.
That tells you that you knowwhen, when you hit that kind of
an experience and you're at that, I guess, that dimension, that
obviously you're not locked intoyour body anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Well, it makes sense.
It's just the way we.
Yeah, to wrap your head aroundit and to think about it in that
way.
You know, to wrap your headaround it.
It's hard to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and I think that it would be hard for a lot
of people, because you're sogrounded in you know this
reality now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Well and that's what a lot of people have said in
your death experience is likewhen they get up there and I
think it was mark we weretalking to when he said that it
was like, oh yeah, that was afake life this is the real life
like once you're there, and sowe're never going to understand
what happens there when we'rehere.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
It's like crisscrossed but there are
obviously there are a few thathave kind of sort of reached
over and touched that plane alittle bit.
So it's it's very interestingand you know it it's not fearful
but it it is sort of one ofthose things where I think a lot
of people might have.
It might be difficult forpeople because you know it's

(01:15:39):
accepting that you're not goingto be in this plane forever, you
know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Yeah, but I honestly for me and this is just my
personal opinion it brings me alot more comfort.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Especially for the fact of the people that I've
lost over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Knowing that they're okay for myself.
You know, I may not know what'snext, necessarily, but I don't
know.
It brings me comfort.
Yeah, and maybe it's okay tonot know, especially if there's
a room full of books, thatreally makes me happy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I'm going to lose you there.
I'm going to be like honey, wegot to go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I love books and you're like no, but I'm reading
this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Well, guys, listen, tell us what you think.
I think that.
I think it's going to be agreat book.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I think that please check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Buy it, even buy it on Kindle, and we'll make sure I
put all the you know listingsof where we can find it on there
.
The art on the front of thebook is beautiful.
Like I think it's just reallytouching and the stories are
just remarkable.
It is just, each one isdifferent.
Yeah, and touching and just Idon't know.

(01:16:48):
There's not really a word todescribe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
No, because it's about something that doesn't
have any explanation.
So, yeah, but guys, listen, wehad a blast Again.
Thanks Simon for coming on, andwe've got a lot of stuff coming
up.
I think there's some someepisodes coming up that you guys
are really gonna want to be, uh, be ready for tuned in for so
like and subscribe at everywhereyou can.

(01:17:12):
Uh, make sure you rank us onyour podcast, let us know that
we're doing good, or whether weneed to pick up.
You know, pick it up a littlebit you want to to be a guest.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Please, you know, email us info at gxparanormalcom
and we can, you know, speakabout it.
Yeah and yeah, give us ideas.
If there's something that youwant to hear about, or want to
know about, or want us to findsomeone to interview, that's
right.
If we don't know about it, giveus your suggestions.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
For sure.
Other than that, guys, we'llsee you next week.
See you next week, thank you.