February 26, 2025 • 55 mins
What mysteries lie hidden in the hills of Jerome, Arizona? Join us as we traverse the rugged landscapes from Missouri to this enigmatic mining town, with our loyal canine companion in tow. Settle into the Mayor's Cottage on Cleopatra Hill, where the views are as rich as Jerome's storied past. We'll unravel the town's evolution from a thriving copper hub in the 1920s to its struggles during the Great Depression, painting a vivid picture of resilience and rebirth. The echoes of dynamite blasts and the whispers of the past linger in this once-booming town, now a canvas of historical wonders waiting to be explored.
Jerome is more than just a remnant of its mining glory days—it's a hotbed of supernatural intrigue. Our footsteps lead us through the town's famed haunted locales, from the spine-chilling Jerome Grand Hotel to the inviting yet eerie Haunted Hamburger. Each location offers its own tales of spectral residents, like the elusive "Lady in Red," who have captured the imaginations of ghost hunters and history buffs alike. Here, amidst Jerome's colorful vistas and haunting legends, we indulge in the town's unique blend of hospitality and the paranormal.
Prepare for ghost stories that will send a chill down your spine as we visit the iconic landmarks steeped in Jerome's mysterious aura. Whether you're savoring a meal with a view at the Haunted Hamburger or listening for ghostly whispers at Jerome Grand Hotel, each experience adds another layer to the town's haunting charm. We also uncover lesser-known sites like the Hogback Cemetery, where the past's enigmatic whispers beckon you closer. Jerome, Arizona, promises an unforgettable adventure, brimming with the allure of its scenic beauty and the thrill of its haunted history.
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speaker 3 (00:00):
Here are the reported hauntings.
Now here is what's interesting.
So we've got some informationfrom the owner.
When he first moved in andstarted work Okay, he said that
there was kind of a feeling likewhen you went in, that like
your presence being there waskind of being questioned, like
if it was okay for you to bethere, if you were welcomed or
(00:23):
not.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, so well, hey, everybody, welcome back hey,
(01:11):
everyone it's generation xparanormal.
I'm logan and
speaker 3 (01:14):
I'm nicole
Speaker 1 (01:14):
, so you know you always hear about people that
live in certain states wherethere's like a major um you know
destination or nationaltreasure or something like that
Kind of.
Admittedly, I'm from Arizonaprimarily and I've never been to
the Grand Canyon from theArizona side, only from the Utah
(01:36):
side, which basically tells youI really hadn't spent a lot of
time way up north in Arizona,probably for a lot of reasons
that you know.
My whole family's in thesouthern, so there's really not
a ton of reason to be up there.
Been to Sedona once Went withmy dad, but we didn't really do
much and I think we went on atrip one time with my mom to
(01:56):
Show Low and a few other places,but for the most part I rarely
had ever been up to the northernArizona area.
That changed?
Yes, primarily, I rarely hadever been up up to the uh,
northern Arizona area.
speaker 3 (02:10):
That changed, yes, quite primarily because of me,
Speaker 1 (02:11):
yes, primarily because of her.
Uh, you know, we, we, and we'vetalked about it several times,
but we take trips back home,visit my family and we happen to
take a trip.
This time we took, uh, we tookour jeep and our dog with us,
which, by the way, when you'redriving from missouri to arizona
with a dog, it's um, yeah, yousee where a movie like vacation
(02:32):
can, can kind of come to reality, because it's just yeah, you
have to plan your whole triparound that.
Yeah, it's very different.
Yeah, it really is.
Yes, anyway, say all that tosay we took a trip out there.
We spent probably about a monthin in uh of october there,
mainly in tucson, but when weleft tucson our goal was to go
up north, visit sedona yes and,while doing that, our my sister
(02:55):
was going to go up there withour nephews and we're going to
spend some time in sedona, whichwas great, by the way yes but
intermediately we, yes, butIntermediately we stayed at
Jerome.
Never been to Jerome, and Ifyou're into any kind of
paranormal, you know what Jeromeis.
Yes, it's not, um, it's not onething.
I mean, all the big you know TVthings have been there.
(03:19):
You know, uh, you know, I thinkGhost Adventures, ghost Hunt,
all of them have been there.
So it's no stranger toparanormal shows or paranormal
activity for that matter.
But yeah, we got to stay there.
Yeah, so we were there only forwhat?
A night and part of a day,right, because we were in
transition going into Sedona,right?
(03:41):
So Jerome is a mining, oldmining town basically so it's up
, you know, on a mountain very,very cool though it is very,
very cool.
I wish we would have been ableto spend more time.
Yeah, um, but we're going totalk about today.
Although we visit all the locallike hot spots, we weren't able
to stay at any of the placesbecause we had el pucho with us
(04:05):
so but we did get to stay in areally cool little airbnb which
we're going to share here and itwas really cool.
It was up on the side which allthe houses are on the side of
the mountain so you know, youtake that for?
what it's worth.
But this one had a really coolview and had a little garden
area and it was called themayor's cottage and garden and
it's owned by jim and joseph andit's a mile high up on
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cleopatra hill, which is thehill basically that jerome sits
on, and it has views of themongolian rim, including oak
creek canyon, sedona, sycamorecanyon and in the entire verde
valley.
We're going to put up a maphere of what the verde valley is
.
I mean it spans a very largearea so cottonwood and clarkdale
are the towns that you know arebasically at the bottom of the
(04:49):
mountain from where jerome sits,and then you got to drive
another what I think it was like45 minutes or an hour to sedona
, right, but you can see the redrocks oh yeah, from jerome, so
it's very, very interesting yeah, in what?
speaker 3 (05:03):
another thing that you find interesting about it is
when you say on the hillsidefolks, let me tell you when we
say hillside it's likeMountainside.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, it's a drop Like we could look out the
windows from the Airbnb we werestanding in, even the bathroom
window, and it was just likedrop yeah.
And I was like thinking aboutthat.
The whole time we were sleepingand it was very, very nice oh
it's gorgeous, yeah and verycomfortable and it actually has
a little historic thing which wewon't go into here, but we're
going to put the link to theairbnb.
(05:33):
If you would like to go, staythere.
The owners are very gracious itwas.
speaker 3 (05:37):
It was an awesome time um, but yeah, it was really
really cool yeah, and I thinkthat that drive up it and we're
going up there for some reasonand I know they two don't look
anything alike, but I startedgetting this like shining thing
going, you know, in my mind, aswe're kind of winding around.
So it's very remote and eventhough Cottonwood and Clarksdale
(06:02):
, especially Cottonwood, is notthat far, no, it's not.
Yeah, In fact, I would imagine.
That's where they have to all goto buy things I would think
yeah, and if you live in Jeromeyou may work probably there.
I mean, if you don't get a jobin Jerome, there's not a ton of
probably jobs to have there.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's a very artistic type city.
Yeah probably jobs to havethere.
So it's a very artistic typecity.
Yeah, um, but I was funnybecause we saw the sign for uh,
365 days a year going up thatroad and all I could think in my
mind was winter time.
There is no way.
No, if there's like snow or ice, I would be going down those
roads no no way, I mean, it'ssketchy even.
Yeah, we were there in octoberand I mean of course it was just
(06:42):
fall, but um, so there'snothing on the roads.
But I was like there's no way.
speaker 3 (06:46):
I'd try to even attempt now and we've got a
rubicon and I wouldn't even doit in that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No but I guess if you live there you get used to the
roads and it's like anywhereelse like people come from the
south here to missouri andthey're like I'm not driving in
that and we're like that's not abig deal so it's just I what
you get used to.
speaker 3 (07:02):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was like nope.
speaker 3 (07:04):
And another reason I had heard about Jerome is I'm a
huge fan of Tool, love that bandand Maynard James Keenan, I
think, still lives there.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, he was living there when he decided to start
the band.
So I don't know for sure.
I think he does, yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool.
And I also discovered there's asong by a woman named Kate
Wolfe and she wrote a song aboutJerome called Old Jerome.
So you should go check that out.
We'll put the link to theYouTube channel that at least I
(07:35):
found the song on.
speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, wish we could play it, but you know copyright
thing yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So let's get into our trip to Jerome.
Sounds good.
So let's get into our trip toJerome.
Sounds good.
So let's get started on thehistory of Jerome.
Okay, and like I, said it's aformer mining town.
So, let's get started at thevery beginning Now, in 1870,
there were a number of claimsthat were filed around this
clear Patrick Hill, which Imentioned before, and it's
technically in the BlackMountains of Arizona, okay,
(08:03):
which there's tons of differentmountain ranges in.
Arizona, so it's just the blackmountains, and they decided to
do large-scale mining and theyhave copper ore there and we
took some pictures we'll put uphere that kind of show it in the
hillside.
Now they wouldn't start untilfinancing was secured from
Paulina and Eugene Jerome of NewYork City and one of the
(08:28):
conditions of their investmentin this mining was to name the
camp after Eugene Jerome.
speaker 3 (08:34):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You know copper.
speaker 3 (08:36):
Arizona is the copper state, yeah there's many copper
mines.
In fact, my whole family my dadworked at a copper smelter.
My grandfather worked.
I mean my entire family.
My dad worked at a coppersmelter, my grandfather worked.
I mean my entire family is fromDouglas, arizona, on my dad's
side and actually kind of mymom's side a little bit.
They moved there.
So copper is nothing new to us.
But what's interesting is well,it's a copper, there's a little
(09:01):
bit more of a tie to it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, now in 1883, Eugene Jerome and James
MacDonald formed the UnitedVerde Copper Company, which I
find funny because Verde isSpanish for green.
And what happens with copperwhen it?
speaker 3 (09:16):
It patinas and gets old.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it turns, green IE.
speaker 3 (09:20):
Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, exactly, and with the aid of two new blast
furnaces they were turning outtons of copper and even sizable
amounts of gold and silver everymonth.
The price of copper slid toabout 42 percent in 1884 and
they finally closed the mine.
So from like in 1883 to 1884,it was only one year where they
(09:41):
were starting to make money, andthen the copper slid yeah,
that's crazy.
speaker 3 (09:45):
And you know what's interesting is, even at the time
of this, recording copper isinsanely expensive.
It still is.
You know there were over thelast few years people have
talked about coming and stealingpipe stuff and from
construction sites oh yeah, theyeven steal off.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I know at the graveyard where my family like
is all buried they were werestealing the vases and stuff of
the copper.
speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, yuck and they go in and
steal copper out of houses oldhouses and stuff.
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So in 1888, Senator William A Clark of Montana
acquired the United Verde CopperCompany for $60 million and
then the mining and the smeltingresumed, 1888, $60 million.
speaker 3 (10:31):
That's a lot of money .
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That's a lot of money now, yeah, now, after he
acquired this, the price ofcopper of course went up, so
over a billion dollars of copper, gold and silver would
eventually be extracted fromthis mining company, and the
Little Daisy Mine owned by JamesMcDouglas opened up, which was
(10:55):
an extension.
So they had the main one andthey had a little side one.
Oh yeah, a little side piece.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A little side action, a little side piece mining Side
hustle.
Yeah, little side piece, littleside action.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Side hustle.
Yeah, the copper increased,like the price of copper
increased from 1888 to 1894.
And so Clark decided to build arailroad known as the United
Verde and Pacific Railroad, andit still operates today.
speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty well known.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I mean it's kind of the lifeblood of that area Now,
because of the railroad, jeromegrew steadily, reaching a
population of 15,000 people inthe mid-1920s, which still just
blows me away.
Now you're not going to seethat.
No, the massive growth andquestionable development
resulted in four major firesthat almost wiped out Jerome, so
(11:49):
lots of buildings burned downand I mean there was a whole
mess of stuff.
I mean, even to this day they'rekind of all right on top of
each other they are.
There was also several hundredpounds of dynamite that
accidentally detonated in 1926that destroyed a sizable part of
downtown jerome I like how it'saccidental, like does someone?
Just go, oh surprise well, withall that mining stuff you know,
there's powder and there's allsorts of stuff that we don't
even realize that's there Now.
(12:11):
The stock market crash hitJerome in 1929 with the start of
the Great Depression, when theprice of copper plummeted.
And in 1932, the price ofcopper decreased to five cents a
pound, god, and they decided toclose the mine and the smelter.
The miners left and the town'spopulation fell to less than 5
(12:31):
000 people.
So 15 000 people to 5 000people, that's crazy.
speaker 3 (12:36):
Well at five cents a pound, I mean so like 10 000
people left that town.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's no joke, and being there I can't even imagine
15,000 people.
Well, how could Like?
speaker 3 (12:46):
where would they go?
Easily, they had to tear downbuildings.
Well, yeah, there's 15,000people couldn't fit in.
What's there now?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, they could in the surrounding area.
Well, yeah, true, but we don'tsee that anymore.
The buildings are compacted,basically.
Now in 1935, the Phelps DodgeCompany bought the mine for $21
million and restarted theoperations, and that remained in
operation for another 18 yearsand it closed in 1953.
speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, and that's significant because that is the
same people that own the smelterin Douglas, arizona, the Phelps
Dodge Corporation, and myfather.
I've got generations of familythat work for him.
Now there's going to be somethat are happy with that company
and there's a lot that aren't,because when they pulled shocks
out of Douglas, it pretty muchleft that town in ruin.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
The Jerome Historical Society formed to quote,
protect, preserve and presentthe unique physical and cultural
history of Jerome through itsbuildings, architecture,
research, archives, museum andother programs, for the benefit
of residents and current andfuture generations.
So they formed that to protectthe town so it wouldn't
(13:56):
basically disappear Right Now.
By 1960, fewer than 100 peoplelived in Jerome.
speaker 3 (14:02):
That I bought.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, 100 people lived in jerome that I bought.
Yeah, but in 1966 the town ofjerome was designated as a
national historic landmark andin the 60s and 70s a younger
crowd moved in and you know theylike to say there was.
They were filled with a bunchof hippies and artists yes, um,
and you still find that to thisday there's a lot of artistic
shops.
Oh absolutely, it's very muchlike Bisbee.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The town of Bisbee is a copper mine and it's very
filled with and I basically,when we were there, I said this
is like the Bisbee of the North.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, it's northern Bisbee.
That's how I saw it.
100% yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And it's really cool because they you go to some
places and you go.
Okay, yeah, I could be here.
speaker 3 (14:48):
And it was a cool place yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
Now.
A man named Al Palmer, theformer mayor of Jerome in the
nineties, got Jerome on thetourist map and, with along with
his efforts and the towncouncil, it helped Jerome become
the third most visited Arizonasite, even visited today, with
(15:10):
over 1.5 million visitors eachyear.
Jeez, that's a lot.
speaker 3 (15:16):
That is a lot so obviously they cater to tourists
.
Right, well, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Mm-hmm, yeah, today there are about 450 residents,
many of who are retired artists,business owners and workers.
The downtown area has over 15restaurants and wine bars, with
two vintage saloons.
Nice, there are over 25galleries and a number of unique
shops that represent localartists.
speaker 3 (15:40):
That's cool.
That's why the town's so cool.
Yeah, it's really cool.
Plus, mayor James Keenan livedthere.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Sorry, now.
speaker 3 (15:49):
You know, when it comes to Jerome, you're right,
it's a lot like Bisbee in thesense that there's just there's
that eclectic thing and there'salways, and it's funny because
you see that in a lot of miningtowns, and I just find that
interesting because there wasanything but eclectic back then.
You know, back then it was kindof like uh, uh, well, it's like
(16:10):
tombstone.
When you see tomb there's alittle cutthroat place.
It was not, you know, it wasbuilt on some kind of shady
stuff.
So I just always find itinteresting.
Now Bisbee I don't thinknecessarily was, but for sure
Tombstone, and it sounds likeJerome was kind of about the
same.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, I think most of those Old West mining towns had
the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So there was a lot of deaths.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Obviously there was a lot of violence, Just crazy
amount.
And we're going to put up someof these.
As we're speaking, I found someold newspaper articles of just
people dying and people, peoplegetting like murdering and all
this other stuff just with thisyou know jerome on it, I mean
and that that is just a littlebit crazy.
Now we're going to talk aboutsome actual haunted locations,
(16:56):
but let's talk about why wethink it's so.
Obviously for the reasons wejust spoke about, but also well
what's in the the hillside?
it's copper, copper, and copperis known as like a conductor.
It basically amplifies rightspiritual activity it's.
speaker 3 (17:14):
It's, first of all, it's no secret it's nature's
greatest conductor.
I mean, yes, look at any wiringyou have in your house has
copper, most likely unless it'sfiber optic and you ran your
whole house fiber optic, whichmeans you're too rich to watch
us anyway.
Um, but you know, you look atthose things and a lot of um,
even typical ghost hunting gear,which I hate that word goes uh,
(17:36):
we'll just say paranormalinvestigating gear has a ton of
copper my dowsing rods dowsingrods yes and they work
phenomenally, so probably ourbest gear, yeah like mine were
actually dug like the copper wasdug out of the ground near a
river so they very much, so yeah, they're pretty supercharged
so yeah, it's a naturalconductor, as it is, and
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depending on how you feel about,uh, ghost activity, a lot of
people feel it is an electricalcharge.
There's electricity behind it,which is why we measure it with
EMF gauges, why we measure itwith milimeters and all these
different things, because wesuspect that it's electrical.
So anything with copper andelectrical is going to be a
(18:21):
natural conduit.
That's why I think and there'sanother part to this what else
is in drone Water?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh yeah, see Gotcha, I was trying to think what?
What's he talking about?
speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We did find some running water, and that's too
specific to a place at leastthat we saw.
Yeah, and we'll talk about Now.
Cottonwood does actually have alot of lush Cottonwood trees.
speaker 3 (18:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And that's why it's named Cottonwood, and there's a
major I think it's the, actuallyit's the Verde River that runs
through there.
Yep, because we were lookingand they have like even kayak
trips and stuff.
Yeah, let me say something herewhen you're in Arizona, you
don't see boats, you don't seekayak, you don't see that in
arizona now grand canyon has thecolorado river flowing through
(19:10):
it and you do it see it up andyeah, but if you're kind of out
in this area where it's kind ofmore desert, yeah, you don't
really see that, but cottonwooddoes have the big trees which I
thought was really interesting.
Yeah, it does but you drive justover from cottonwood is sedona
and you don't have that.
speaker 3 (19:28):
No, it's pretty dry.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're back in Lake Desert, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So it's very rare to see that.
But yeah, we did see some waterflowing and we just kind of ran
upon it and I didn't know itwas going to be there.
So yeah, there's a lot of stuffgoing on in Jerome.
speaker 3 (19:50):
And going to be there .
Um, so, yeah, there's, there'sa lot of stuff going on in
jerome and when you already gotall this tragedy and if that
holds on to that, it's a supercharge.
Yeah, I mean honestly, jerome,much like tombstone, much like
some of these places that havewater, have the type of
geological stuff in it, it turnsinto kind of like one of those
hotbeds.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And there's something to say about mountains.
I don't know what it is, and itmust just be what's in the
mountain, the rocks in themountain.
But every place we've ever gonethat has a mountain has some
kind of juju.
I like that word because it'sthe only way to explain it.
There is juju going on.
speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, with my limited amount of scientific knowledge,
the way I understood mountainsto form is there were two
standing bodies of land and,whether that be through
earthquake or whatever, theyslammed up against each other.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And they come up and it created.
speaker 3 (20:40):
So when you have rock that hits each other just a
basic abc123 science rocks thatslam against each other what do
they do?
They spark yeah, they kind ofright.
There's an energy to it anelectrical charge.
So two big land masses that slamagainst each other bound to
create some kind of whether it'sa residual energy or however it
(21:04):
is.
But I've especially in ourculture we always think of the
mountains as being I mean,they're not dead objects,
they're very alive, there's,there's a lot of things that are
done with it because of thatvery nature.
I think that having those twoforces collide creates that
energy, creates all these otherdifferent things.
Then you add the fact that it'scopper, the fact that there's
(21:24):
running water, againsupercharged.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, true, in this specific spot.
And most mountains have runningwater.
So we get there, we unpackeverything and we've got the dog
with us.
We're like, okay, we wanted togo to one of the really cool
restaurants but, dog right Now.
I will say, though, arizona isvery animal friendly.
That's right, jerome was veryanimal friendly.
(21:47):
We just looked up to see whatrestaurants would accept a dog.
Well, we found one that had areally cool title and we weren't
super hungry.
But I'm like I want to get outand at least experience.
We can just get appetizers orsomething.
And we find this restaurantcalled the Haunted Hamburger so
awesome.
It was so awesome, and they,you know, I contacted them and
(22:08):
they allow pets and they have aninside, and then they have an
outdoor seating, like on abalcony.
I'm like, of course we're goingto sit on the outside, you know
, of course, and they have a.
The outside balcony has like anoverlook, like, and it was so
cool.
So we went around sunset,brought the dog and they allowed
(22:30):
us to sit out on the patio.
Really, really awesome littleplace and I'm like why is it
called the haunted hamburger?
There's got to be some reasonand we did talk um to the
manager.
She came to our table and yeah,and the uh, our waitress was
really cool.
Yeah, um, and they gave us somestuff.
We're going to put the picturesup here of like their, their
menu and how to contact them,and they even have a little gift
shop.
You can buy little stuff.
speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I didn't get to go in, but you did.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we go into the gift shopafter we ate, of course, and so
I just wanted to show this.
We we always get shot glassesthat's our thing wherever we go,
because it's something smallthat you can put in a suitcase
and then you know you displaywhere you've traveled that's
right so I'm gonna show thislittle shot glass if you're on
the video podcast yeah, and ifyou're not, uh, just a clear one
(23:15):
.
speaker 3 (23:15):
It's a clear one with a big h and says haunted
hamburger.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They did have the glasses that they serve your
drinks in and stuff.
Yeah, that was cool.
But I'm like, oh, we've gotalready so much yeah by that
part of the trip we had alreadyjeep was completely back to full
.
Definitely was back to full butit it was really good food.
You had the what I had thehamburger sliders?
Yeah, and we'll put pictures uphere of us sitting there and I
had, which is something.
(23:38):
Well, we had deep fried pickleswe shared between the two of us
which are really good, butsomething I had never seen on a
menu, and I'm not a spice person.
I love it, but it does not loveme, and so I have to always be
really careful.
But, these are really good, butafter a few, like I, ate most
of them.
You did, but they started to geta little heated but they were
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chipotle deviled eggs and I lovedeviled eggs, but I was like I
had never seen that before andthey were delicious, but by the
end my face was starting to geta little red they put that on
the burgers too, like a sauce.
speaker 3 (24:13):
It's very good, but yeah it had a little zip to it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
when you go to the southwest, I mean that's the
thing they like to it.
Had a little zip to it when yougo to the Southwest, I mean
that's the thing they like tospice it up, that's what we do.
But thank you to everybody atthe Haunted Hamburger and we're
going to provide their Facebookpage here and you can go visit
them.
If you're in Jerome, you've gotto go there.
It's just a really, really coollittle space and everybody's so
friendly, and the manager wastelling us about everything that
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happens in the restaurant andwas pointing out other places in
town.
Yeah, and it's super haunted.
Yeah, you can feel it.
Yeah, but here's some of thewhat they say happens.
So there's cans that fly offthe shelves.
Um, the hot water gets turnedon in the middle of the night,
which that's a bill.
Yeah, distinct smells in thestairwell and there are
photographs taken by the gueststhat show an apparition of a
woman interesting but it kind ofsits on that.
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I can't remember what street'son, but there's kind of like a
main street that kind of goesthrough the town.
Yeah it kind of kind of windsaround and it kind of just sits
right there and it's just downfrom one of the other places
we're going to discuss, right.
So yeah, it's kind of a mainthoroughfare there it is, and
first of all parking's a littlebit of a challenge, but it's
still worth it, um oh, it'stotally worth it, even if you
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have to walk a little bit too,it's worth it and I love and
we'll show the pictures up here,but they've got like a little
skeleton hanging off the edge oftheir sign that says
montanberger I was like that'sso cool when we first pulled up
I was like what is that skeletondoing to that sign?
speaker 3 (25:40):
it's so cool it looks a little interesting, but no,
it is really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So make sure and check them out, go visit them if
you're.
You're in town, just an awesome, awesome place yeah, it really
is.
speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm glad we I'm glad we just decided to go out
because we're pretty tired, butyeah and it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Amount of food, great view.
We watched the sunset.
We did yeah.
It just was perfect and we gotto bring our dog and he was
really good.
speaker 3 (26:05):
Yep, the man-to-man.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Mm-hmm, Yep.
Now on to one of the mainplaces talked to or talked about
in Jerome as being haunted,which is the Connor Hotel.
Yeah, jerome.
As being haunted, which is theconnor hotel, yeah, okay now it
was built in 1898 by davidconnor, which is appropriate for
the name.
Yeah, I mean, it fits irishman,obviously.
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Now.
It was originally designed with20 rooms upstairs and it was a
first class lodgingestablishment also offered
bathroom, card rooms andbilliard tables.
On the first floor the roomswere rented on the what was
called the european plan okayokay, for the pricely sum of one
dollar per night, wouldn't thatbe nice.
Now, the connor's telephonenumber was eight oh, it's long
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distance eight one I don't knowhow long distance.
I'm 10 this is interesting thestone foundations for the
building were quarried from thehills around jerome and the
brick was fired in nearbycottonwood okay so you're seeing
where we're getting I see whatyou're putting down, yeah now
before the turn of the century,the hotel burned to the ground
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twice, so I don't think thecomplete thing did, but like it
was burnt twice.
But remember we talked aboutall the fires that happened.
speaker 3 (27:24):
There's only dynamite .
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, and it reopened in August of 1899, being one of
the finest lodgingestablishments in a booming
mining town in the West.
Hmm, I paid a dollar for thisroom.
Yeah, I paid a dollar for thisroom, though the hotel was too
expensive for the quote ladiesof the night okay to use for
their customers.
There was a false storefrontlocated at the west end of the
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building which opened up to theinfamous quote husband's alley.
Oh, okay.
speaker 3 (27:54):
The ladies of the night.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Where the ladies had their own cribs.
Now, if you don't know what acrib is, we do because we've
been to Tombstone many, manytimes.
It's basically a room.
speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's not a great one either.
It's called a crib.
It's basically big enough for abed to do the business, and
that was it.
speaker 3 (28:08):
It's an F?
Shack.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Mm-hmm, yeah, now when the mines?
Oh sure, yeah Right, and itcaused it to close in 1931.
The shops on the first floorwere continually rented, but the
upstairs rooms remained vacant.
Now, in the 1980s, there was arestoration done to make it safe
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once again for guests, becauseyou go that long, or a long time
period.
speaker 3 (28:37):
Just a slight amount of time.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Now.
Here are the hauntings okay,yeah or what's claimed.
There are said to be twospirits that are said to haunt
the building a lady in red and amale spirit.
Now we're going to talk aboutsome specific rooms here and we
should say that we were only outin front of this because
obviously, yeah, had the dog, sowe couldn't really go in, know,
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because we weren't, we didn'tknow where we were allowed to
walk and we couldn't stay there.
I kind of wanted to stay there,but, yeah, dogs, yeah.
Now room number one.
speaker 3 (29:10):
Okay, people say they can hear a woman whispering as
well as they can hear scratchingsounds you know when, when we
do any kind of investigation orjust in general loud stuff, it's
scary.
I'm not saying it's not, butwhispers it's different.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, and scratching sounds.
Now, could that be an animalwith as old of a building it is?
In the walls yeah, I could seethat yeah yeah, one guest said
that he felt a cold presence.
Join him in bed by lying on topof him.
Now that's different.
I don't know how you explainthat.
One In the F-jack, I don't knowwhere room one is.
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No, I think these are no,because there's a store at the
bottom.
speaker 3 (29:51):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And so this is up at the top.
Okay, Now an artist that wasstaying there, kept seeing a
Lady in Red in his dreams.
And this is why this meanssomething to me, because
whenever I get contact, it'salways through my dreams.
And it's weird because at thetime you're not scared, because
it's in your dreams and you wakeup and think about it.
You're like whoa.
speaker 3 (30:11):
There's that protection right there.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So he decided to paint a large mural, which is
now found above the bar, in thespirit room of the Lady in Red,
and the spirit room is like abar that they've got in the
downstairs area of the hotel andso we're going to include that
photo here, and there is a Ladyin Red and maybe she was one of
the lady.
speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe she was the head lady.
You know that Lady in Red songjust keeps coming in.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I know, I know In room five people feel hot and
cold spots.
Which a hot spot?
I don't know what that would beI've never.
speaker 3 (30:44):
It is arizona.
I mean, yeah, I don't know, hotspot that you would feel in the
air would probably just be likea warm breeze, maybe I don't
know I don't know or that'sinteresting.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, yeah, but the cold spot I get.
speaker 3 (30:56):
I've seen that and felt it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Now people's hair on their arms and neck stand
straight up.
We've had that happen and theyhear strange noises.
Yes, Electrical appliances likeTVs and lights malfunction and
they say the alarm clock goesoff by itself when the room is
empty.
speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, again, you know , you look at the whole
30,000-foot view.
You say to yourself, okay, it'sjust, I know, you think I say
that a lot.
And you say to yourself, it'sjust, you know what.
Can it be explained?
Yeah, I mean theoretically,copper electrical we already
discussed it's a conduit.
Could there be a you know, adischarge of some sort to affect
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this?
Sure, but looking at the biggerpicture, yeah, and for it to
just happen in one specific roomversus the entire place.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I don't know.
Now, the second floor bathroom,um, they say.
Well, there was a relative ofthe owner who was using the
bathroom when she heard a softman's voice calling her in the
bathroom there's a thing aboutbathrooms.
There is like you're veryvulnerable.
Yeah, that is not cool.
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Like I hear people talkingabout like things happen when
they're in the shower and stuff.
That's where I draw the line.
I'm like you can wait until I'mout.
speaker 3 (32:12):
You got your derriere in the air and you got somebody
whispering at you.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Geez and a soft man's voice.
That's really odd.
Well, at least it's soft, butif it was a relative of the
owner, that means she's probablythere a lot.
Yeah, and they may know her byname, maybe, so that that's a
little interesting to me I yeah,but the bathroom because the
guests?
They're not.
They come and go but, this issomeone they probably knew yeah,
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probably now in the stairs andin the hallways, photographs
that people take capture, whichI don't know.
It says the vortex of aninvisible entity on the stairs.
speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't know what that means well, I mean, I guess
you would figure a tornadotechnically is a vortex, so
probably like a, a v-shaped kindof mist, I don't know yeah, I
don't know exactly, but that'swhat's reported anyway, now in
the spirit room, like Imentioned, that's the name of
the saloon type bar thing.
That's in the, you know, thefirst floor which is a really
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cool name because spiritobviously being alcohol.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I thought that was really cool.
Now the lady in red appears tostand looking at a person before
slowly fading away, so she isseen there, and that would make
sense if she was on the firstfloor, sure?
Yeah, that does make sensebecause that's where all that
activity happened.
Now people also report beingtouched by an unseen person in
the bar.
Now is it that's happening, orare they just little?
speaker 3 (33:40):
had a few too many drinks, a little lucy lou, hey.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But I could see that.
I mean, if that was the floorwhere these women yeah that that
does make sense to me well,that's where they conducted
their business exactly andbusiness was good now on to the,
now on to the main haunt ofthis town, okay, which is the
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Jerome Grand Hotel, okay, and itis very much like the Shining
Hotel.
It's up on this hillside and toget a good view of it and get a
good picture of it, we actuallyhad to have drive away from
jerome, like we're still injerome, but across and you'll
see.
Then we were able to get a fullpicture of the city.
speaker 3 (34:27):
Um and honestly, that's cool building.
Oh yeah, and that's why I gotthe shining vibe when we're
driving up there, because you dosee it from the road as it's
winding up.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah yeah, and it sits up on this big hilltop.
It's very cool and you know Ihad to walk up to it to try to
get pictures of some of thisstuff.
But as I was doing that, as wewere talking about the water,
before I noticed I had to crossover like this little culvert of
running water that's goingright underneath the hotel and
we've got a picture that I took.
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I tried to get the picture andif people saw me there were a
few of how it was dangling overthis thing to try to get the
picture of the culvert and up tothe hotel to show that it's
like folks, we go the extra milefor you.
Yes, we do.
I'm like I'm gonna break my legor my arm doing this.
That's not cool I had to danglethe the camera down which had
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my heart that I got the shot.
speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, let's just dangle our expensive gear over
and hope, nothing happens but Igot it, and that's all that
matters you got it so the jeromegrand hotel.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It was constructed in 1926 but it started out as the
united verde hospital, okay, toreplace the old hospital that
was constructed in 1917 that haddamaged south wing.
So this hospital was basicallyto yep take care of all the
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miners and anybody that got hurt, and anybody who knows mining?
speaker 3 (35:56):
who's been raised around mining?
It is constant.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Horrific injuries.
speaker 3 (36:01):
Injuries, deaths yeah , the things my family has told
me that happened just in thesmelter alone, not just the mine
.
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Now the United Verde Copper Company insisted that the
building be built fireproof andto be able to withstand major
blasting from the mines.
So each floor has three firezones and when the stairway uh,
stairwell doors close, a sixhour fire break is between the
floors.
So they've got six hours to tryto fight that before it goes to
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the next floor.
speaker 3 (36:36):
I can't even imagine that it'd take two hours to get
to it.
You know, coming up the roadProbably yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Now this resulted in what is termed as an
above-ground bomb shelter, inthe Spanish mission styles, the
way it's described as beingbuilt.
Okay, all the exterior walls,floors and roof are reinforced,
poured in place concrete, withthe only wood used in
construction being doors,windows and built-in cabinets.
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Okay, yeah, the walls betweenthe rooms are compressed, gypsum
blocks plastered on both sides,and the ceilings are suspended
metal lath and plaster.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Hmm, man, that's some reinforcing there.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, which is why the thing's still around.
speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It is 30,000 square feet.
Yeah, that is a lot of coverageand it featured patient call
lights, balconies, sun porches,emergency backup lighting and
they had one of those Otisself-service elevators.
speaker 3 (37:37):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
They had one of those otisself-service elevators.
They had an ice making room,laboratories and x-ray, major
and minor surgical facilities,men's, women's and children's
wards, private and semi-privaterooms, blanket warming closets
and housing for some staff.
Yeah, that's massive.
That's huge.
In 1930 it was considered themost modern hospital in Arizona
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and possibly the western states.
More than 9,000 people died inthe hospital.
Wow.
The hospital closed in 1950 andmost of the furnishings were
removed in the 70s and 80s 9,000people Now.
speaker 3 (38:17):
I mean, and there's probably more, but that's what
they know for sure you know youlook at like, uh, all the big,
big hotels or hospitals, ratherthat you know that are well
known to be hot spots.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
You gotta know this place is just non-stop ghost or
ghost fun you know it's justwell, and I found some newspaper
articles of people actuallylike that got injured and
actually died in the hospitaland obviously there I could have
gone for hours.
I just clipped a few to show.
speaker 3 (38:46):
But you know, not good, no deaths no, and
hospitals, I mean they just havethat now.
I do know a lot of hospitalsare residual, but still I know
that there's got to be someactive and some intelligent.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh yeah, it's got to be just wicked crazy.
Now it closes the hospitalAfter the suicide.
So the caretaker in the 80skilled himself, they think in
the boiler room.
So after that happened thebuilding was boarded up and
watched over by local police anda small staff and then in
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december of 1993 it was sold tolarry alther who still owns and
operates it to this day, andthat's when you know his name
wasn't freddie.
speaker 3 (39:33):
The guy killed himself in the boiler room, was
it?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I don't know, okay.
Why are you saying that the guykilled himself in the boiler
room, was it?
I don't know, okay, why are yousaying that?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
What was that Nightmare on Elm Street?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Okay, I don't like those movies so I don't pay
attention.
Now, excavation was done duringthe first two years of
renovation and it wasn't untilJuly of 96 that the first rooms
were ready and the building wasopened as a hotel.
And in 2003, which I love, this, this, and I wish we could have
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gone because it's been awesomethey name now this is not an
asylum, this is a regularhospital.
But they named the restaurantthe asylum restaurant.
Yes, and they opened that in um2003.
That's really cool.
Yeah, I mean, here are thereported hauntings.
Now here is what's interesting.
So we've got some informationfrom the owner.
When he first moved in andstarted work, okay, he said that
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there was kind of a feeling,like when you went in, that like
your presence being there waskind of being questioned, like
if it was okay for you to bethere, if you were welcomed or
not.
And he said, after being therefor about a couple months, he
said this feeling started torelax, being questioned like if
it was okay for you to be there,um, if you were welcomed or not
.
And he said, after being therefor about a couple months, he
said this feeling started torelax.
And then one day during thesecond month it totally went
away for him at least during thefollowing months, there became
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a feeling of a protective nature, like, okay, they've, he's been
accepted as being the new ownerand it's okay to be there yeah
now the owner also said that outof the many visiting psychics
over the years which he's, Iguess, brought them in, three of
them seem to pick up a numberof things, both past and present
.
Two in particular said quotethe head nurse or the nurse in
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charge okay was upset with theremoval of the desks.
Okay, which would make sense.
speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, I mean it's very important for them.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Now.
Both of the psychics were inwhat is now the restaurant
lounge area and originally thedispensary and main entrance for
the hospital.
The owner told each psychic theoriginal dispensary desks were
in storage.
The psychics did not know eachother and visited more than a
year apart.
speaker 3 (41:41):
That's interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Interesting the hotel and he asked the owner what
they were and if he could usethem in the restaurant area.
Interesting.
Given permission, the originaldispensary counter height desks
were relocated within a few feetof the original placement.
To date, the head nurse has madeno more complaints isn't that
interesting well, at least aboutthe desk, they say yeah fair
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enough the hotel owner doesadmit that if there are spirits,
they must be a lot happieroccupying a hotel instead of a
hospital, and I thought this wasfun.
He said they are dealing withthe clientele that are here by
choice and not necessity nice,that's a good way to spin it.
speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So I thought that was a really, really cool little
tidbit.
Yeah, now guests and workersand stuff, they say they hear
coughing and labored breathingcoming from empty rooms,
children laughing and crying inempty rooms, in the hallways,
newborn baby cries on the thirdand fourth floors, which is
where yep the needle natal well,maybe not neonatal, but just
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like uh you know what do theycall that for kids um?
Well, like all the birthingrooms and stuff, that's what I'm
talking about name, justescapes me anyway there's a
smell of flowers um dust, cigar,smoke and whiskey, which is a
great combination.
Flowers, I mean flowers getdelivered in the hospital.
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Um dust, I think, is probablyjust being where it is.
Yeah, um, but cigar, smoke andwhiskey, I thought was
interesting yeah, it just meansmakes me think of the.
speaker 3 (43:24):
You know the amount of people that were there.
You know smoking cigars andlike a big.
I mean, yeah, they would havedone that yeah even if it was a
hospital.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I mean, at that time period they didn't know it was
bad for them.
speaker 3 (43:35):
I wonder, if they paid more than a dollar at the
hospital?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
probably, yeah, yeah, now there are light anomalies
and televisions turning on bythemselves.
Um, there is a ghost of a caton the third floor.
speaker 3 (43:48):
Okay, there's always like a cat ghost there is never,
not I mean, I'm not saying theydon't exist, but dog ghosts.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
You don't really hear that much about that's because
cats are independent and they'rethey're tied to the spiritual
world.
You know think about thepharaohs and stuff in egypt they
were frightened of them, yeah,they yeah well somewhere now the
third floor, um.
I guess most of the deathsoccurred in the operating room
there I could see that sure nowthey say that they hear the
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sound of a hospital gurney, likethe wheels going across the
floor like the squeaky, yeah incase you guys didn't pick that
up, that was no need to repeatnow.
Room number 32 um, it was aformer hospital guest room with
a balcony and the site of twopossible suicides.
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One former minor confined to awheelchair reportedly climbed
Yuck.
Oh, okay, because there is onetalk about a businessman.
speaker 3 (44:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
The caretaker who committed suicide in the boiler
room okay, um, the caretaker whocommitted suicide in the boiler
room um, and there's also amaintenance man, claude claude,
claude claude harvey was foundin the basement crushed by the
elevator in 1935.
Yikes, and they think he ridesthe otis elevator at all hours
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because they'll they'll catch itmoving and there's no one on it
.
speaker 3 (45:20):
I wonder if those are like modern elevators, where
they run a cycle or they just goup and down well, it's the old
otis yeah, you're right elevatorso I don't, I don't think so.
That's freaky, yeah, I thoughtthat was really interesting, are
you?
First of all?
Just a few of those alone wouldbe enough to go.
Okay, you're gonna really checkit out, but I'd love to see
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this elevator thing that'd bereally interesting, I know I
wish you could have gone inthere we will be back though,
because I without the petsbecause I want to go in all
these places.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yep, and there's one other place that I wanted to
mention and I just happened tofind it and it is really cool,
and that's where a lot of thepictures that we got, like the
distance pictures of jerome,because is the thing in arizona
that I noticed and to him itwasn't often I'm like it's
really weird.
Like everywhere you go, everymountain that they've got,
they've got a letter in the sideof it and, like arizona, in
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tucson, they've got the a foryep, for university of arizona,
and bisbee, they've got the b,the b, and so we went to jerome.
They had the j the j so we'vegot the picture of jerome with
the.
You know all the buildings andfrom the distance, you can see
it.
But the reason we found thisand I didn't realize we were
going to see all that is becausewe were looking for this
cemetery.
speaker 3 (46:33):
Yes, okay, and it's a miners cemetery incidentally,
if you're getting to thiscemetery and you're on that main
strip that we're talking about,that winds through, there's
going to be a sign that tellsyou to go there.
You're not going to fall offthe mountain.
It looks like it it looks likeyou're going to and every atom
in your body is telling youdon't make this turn.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
But don't worry, it's fine, you go down, you'll be
okay but even if you don't gothere for the cemetery, it gives
you like 360 views, yeah, oflike the city and the um mining,
you know the smelter andeverything it's really cool,
it's really we've got picturesof that here, um, but it's
called the hog back cemeterybecause the ridge that it sits
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on is Hogback Ridge, which is aninteresting name Very
interesting.
Now there is, the cemetery iskind of locked up, or at least
it was when we were there and wehad no way to access it.
And I think you used to be ableto get to it in the past,
because I've seen other accountsof people actually walking
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among, among the gravestones,but we had no way to get in
there and maybe it's becausepeople there was too many people
it gave me the feels, yeah,yeah, now it's very unkempt.
speaker 3 (47:49):
I mean there's broken headstones everywhere which is
probably why they don't letpeople.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, I mean it's all grown up and um.
Some of the grave sites arelike fenced in like with like
the metal, and I think that wasoriginally because of animals.
They didn't want them being dugup.
Yeah, and they think there'sabout 400 graves 400.
I didn't think it was 400 therewell, but we and they said the
but there's fewer than like 40headstones yeah and some of them
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, the headstones are laying downand we couldn't even see them
from where, because we were onlyallowed to go to the gate and I
tried to, like, I actuallyclimbed up on the top of the
jeep to try to get a picture,yeah, um, and tried to zoom in
as much as I could.
But, like I said, yeah, they'reprobably all buried down the
hillside from where we could see.
speaker 3 (48:33):
That's weird yeah, when you got, if you guys ever
go there and you look at it,even in the pictures that we're
going to show, no way do youever think there's going to be
400 of them there.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, and they think that most of the people that
died and were buried there diedof gunshot wounds or mining
accidents, diseases, stuff likethat, and there was, over time,
there was more than just theminers.
Oh, yeah, because once theyleft, it was just people of the
town, but there was a lot ofviolence and they think there
are a lot of the ladies of thenight that got killed or buried
there as well, and this is kindof how Jerome got the reputation
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as the wickedest town in theWest.
But we've heard that multipletimes about, like Tombstone,
even Tucson.
They've all got that there wasa lot of violence.
speaker 3 (49:16):
There's a reason why my home state has, you know, was
called the wild wild west, youknow, because it was, yeah, it
was the wild west and peopledidn't exactly, first of all,
nobody really listened to lawthat well out there.
It was truly a frontiersmanmentality.
So, yeah, I mean, if you hadsomething they wanted, they were
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going to take it, whether itmeant your life or not.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Now a lot of the reports, at least when you could
walk among them.
You know they report hearingdisembodied voices which I could
see.
And they hear footsteps likewalking up behind them and see
dark figures, probably at night.
speaker 3 (49:57):
I would think they see shadow figures you know,
when it comes to the disembodiedvoices, and when you look at
the pictures and you think aboutwhere it is.
Sometimes I attribute thatmaybe to wind.
You know, that's kind ofrustling through some of that
stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know, um, I would have loved and I don't know it
could carry.
But I mean, the town is so farfrom there I don't know if a
voice could carry that far.
speaker 3 (50:17):
But there are homes close to it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah.
speaker 3 (50:20):
So I mean it could.
And what's interesting is thatit's kind of one of those where
you would get that kind ofairflow in that valley through
the mountain range and if it'shigh wind at all it's going to
run through all that stuff.
And my guess is some of thatstuff is kind of recorded and
thought of as being disembodiedvoices.
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Now, I'm not saying it's nothaunted, because, let me tell
you something, we drove up to it.
It gave me the big time feels,but I really wish we would have
had a chance to actually dosomething there.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, you know, and we need to specify too is you're
standing there and off, to yourleft, up on the hillside is
where the town of jerome or themain downtown is okay, and then
to your right down the hill, Imean very far down the hill, is
the, the copper mining company,so you can see it right there,
and so it's basically nestledbetween the two, and so I don't
know, maybe there's kind of likeI mean it could be, yeah, like
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a sound thing, that kind of yeahyeah but we tried to get and,
like I said before, like Idangled over the water way to
get this picture and to get thispicture of the mining company,
I literally climbed on the roofof the jeep yes, to get up
behind it, because if you try totake it from that place, in the
cemetery there's trees, there'severything else blocking the
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majority of it and I couldn'tget a good perspective.
Now we did get a good um shot ofit yeah um, so that's, that's
the united very copper company.
And there's also you can kindof see it in the distance from
the picture that we put up fromum the hotel.
Yep, um, when you're lookingdown, you can kind of see it in
the distance from the picturethat we put up from the hotel
Yep.
When you're looking down youcan see it off in the distance
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and it was a huge operation.
speaker 3 (52:05):
It's enormous.
And if you look at it,especially the picture we're
going to put up, at the time wetook it there was a fire going
on, so that kind of sucked too.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, there was a lot of smoke in our photos because
they were really worried becauseit was getting super windy and
all that stuff.
But you can see how it kind ofjust nestles there.
speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, it added a little bit to the the spookiness
yeah.
It didn't detract from our funthere, it just was, except when
in the morning you're like, yeah, it was a little choky.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, but that was our time
spent in jerome.
Like we said, we were there fora night and part of a day and
we were off to sedona the nextday, but definitely a very cool
place.
Would love to go back andactually stay in one of the
rooms of probably stay in bothhotels.
That would be really cool andthere are more places that we
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did not discuss.
I mean, according to the localum residents and the people that
we talked to, the whole town'shaunted I mean every house.
speaker 3 (53:07):
There's a museum there.
I mean there's, there's a tonof places they say that are
haunted yeah, I mean the wholetown and, but they're sitting on
copper and water yeah, that,that to me, and guys go look
at yourself, yeah I mean it'swhen we say it's, it's gorgeous,
it's gorgeous, but it's, in myopinion, it is super charged for
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paranormal activity.
Yes, um, there's a reason whythis is all happening there.
Um, check it out, I mean it'scool, but I will say this if
you're, if you're, scared ofheights, they might be
challenging.
Um, there's definitely somedrop-offs when you're driving up
there.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, um, it's very safe yeah, it's just yeah if
you're looking out, if if yougot height problems, don't look
out yeah, don't look out it'sgonna be hard to do not look out
, but I mean it's, it'sbeautiful, I mean it's it's just
a really cool town.
And go experience the localrestaurants, talk to the local
people, go visit the galleriesand the shops.
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Yeah, because I mean you get afeel for the town yep.
speaker 3 (54:11):
and if you stay at the hotel and you hear somebody
go all work, no play makes jacka dull boy I wouldn't hang
around.
On that note, guys.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I apologize.
speaker 3 (54:23):
Oh, you know you like it.
Hey, listen, we had a good time.
Thank you for stopping by.
Any questions, comments oranything, please leave them.
Other than that, guys, we'llsee you next week.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
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Speaker 2 (54:39):
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Stay curious and keep exploringthe unexplained.
Here are the reported hauntings.
Now here is what's interesting.
So we've got some informationfrom the owner.
When he first moved in andstarted work Okay, he said that
there was kind of a feeling likewhen you went in, that like
your presence being there waskind of being questioned, like
if it was okay for you to bethere, if you were welcomed or
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not.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, so well, hey, everybody, welcome back hey,
(01:11):
everyone it's generation xparanormal.
I'm logan and
speaker 3 (01:14):
I'm nicole
Speaker 1 (01:14):
, so you know you always hear about people that
live in certain states wherethere's like a major um you know
destination or nationaltreasure or something like that
Kind of.
Admittedly, I'm from Arizonaprimarily and I've never been to
the Grand Canyon from theArizona side, only from the Utah
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side, which basically tells youI really hadn't spent a lot of
time way up north in Arizona,probably for a lot of reasons
that you know.
My whole family's in thesouthern, so there's really not
a ton of reason to be up there.
Been to Sedona once Went withmy dad, but we didn't really do
much and I think we went on atrip one time with my mom to
(01:56):
Show Low and a few other places,but for the most part I rarely
had ever been up to the northernArizona area.
That changed?
Yes, primarily, I rarely hadever been up up to the uh,
northern Arizona area.
speaker 3 (02:10):
That changed, yes, quite primarily because of me,
Speaker 1 (02:11):
yes, primarily because of her.
Uh, you know, we, we, and we'vetalked about it several times,
but we take trips back home,visit my family and we happen to
take a trip.
This time we took, uh, we tookour jeep and our dog with us,
which, by the way, when you'redriving from missouri to arizona
with a dog, it's um, yeah, yousee where a movie like vacation
(02:32):
can, can kind of come to reality, because it's just yeah, you
have to plan your whole triparound that.
Yeah, it's very different.
Yeah, it really is.
Yes, anyway, say all that tosay we took a trip out there.
We spent probably about a monthin in uh of october there,
mainly in tucson, but when weleft tucson our goal was to go
up north, visit sedona yes and,while doing that, our my sister
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was going to go up there withour nephews and we're going to
spend some time in sedona, whichwas great, by the way yes but
intermediately we, yes, butIntermediately we stayed at
Jerome.
Never been to Jerome, and Ifyou're into any kind of
paranormal, you know what Jeromeis.
Yes, it's not, um, it's not onething.
I mean, all the big you know TVthings have been there.
(03:19):
You know, uh, you know, I thinkGhost Adventures, ghost Hunt,
all of them have been there.
So it's no stranger toparanormal shows or paranormal
activity for that matter.
But yeah, we got to stay there.
Yeah, so we were there only forwhat?
A night and part of a day,right, because we were in
transition going into Sedona,right?
(03:41):
So Jerome is a mining, oldmining town basically so it's up
, you know, on a mountain very,very cool though it is very,
very cool.
I wish we would have been ableto spend more time.
Yeah, um, but we're going totalk about today.
Although we visit all the locallike hot spots, we weren't able
to stay at any of the placesbecause we had el pucho with us
(04:05):
so but we did get to stay in areally cool little airbnb which
we're going to share here and itwas really cool.
It was up on the side which allthe houses are on the side of
the mountain so you know, youtake that for?
what it's worth.
But this one had a really coolview and had a little garden
area and it was called themayor's cottage and garden and
it's owned by jim and joseph andit's a mile high up on
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cleopatra hill, which is thehill basically that jerome sits
on, and it has views of themongolian rim, including oak
creek canyon, sedona, sycamorecanyon and in the entire verde
valley.
We're going to put up a maphere of what the verde valley is
.
I mean it spans a very largearea so cottonwood and clarkdale
are the towns that you know arebasically at the bottom of the
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mountain from where jerome sits,and then you got to drive
another what I think it was like45 minutes or an hour to sedona
, right, but you can see the redrocks oh yeah, from jerome, so
it's very, very interesting yeah, in what?
speaker 3 (05:03):
another thing that you find interesting about it is
when you say on the hillsidefolks, let me tell you when we
say hillside it's likeMountainside.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, it's a drop Like we could look out the
windows from the Airbnb we werestanding in, even the bathroom
window, and it was just likedrop yeah.
And I was like thinking aboutthat.
The whole time we were sleepingand it was very, very nice oh
it's gorgeous, yeah and verycomfortable and it actually has
a little historic thing which wewon't go into here, but we're
going to put the link to theairbnb.
(05:33):
If you would like to go, staythere.
The owners are very gracious itwas.
speaker 3 (05:37):
It was an awesome time um, but yeah, it was really
really cool yeah, and I thinkthat that drive up it and we're
going up there for some reasonand I know they two don't look
anything alike, but I startedgetting this like shining thing
going, you know, in my mind, aswe're kind of winding around.
So it's very remote and eventhough Cottonwood and Clarksdale
(06:02):
, especially Cottonwood, is notthat far, no, it's not.
Yeah, In fact, I would imagine.
That's where they have to all goto buy things I would think
yeah, and if you live in Jeromeyou may work probably there.
I mean, if you don't get a jobin Jerome, there's not a ton of
probably jobs to have there.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's a very artistic type city.
Yeah probably jobs to havethere.
So it's a very artistic typecity.
Yeah, um, but I was funnybecause we saw the sign for uh,
365 days a year going up thatroad and all I could think in my
mind was winter time.
There is no way.
No, if there's like snow or ice, I would be going down those
roads no no way, I mean, it'ssketchy even.
Yeah, we were there in octoberand I mean of course it was just
(06:42):
fall, but um, so there'snothing on the roads.
But I was like there's no way.
speaker 3 (06:46):
I'd try to even attempt now and we've got a
rubicon and I wouldn't even doit in that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No but I guess if you live there you get used to the
roads and it's like anywhereelse like people come from the
south here to missouri andthey're like I'm not driving in
that and we're like that's not abig deal so it's just I what
you get used to.
speaker 3 (07:02):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was like nope.
speaker 3 (07:04):
And another reason I had heard about Jerome is I'm a
huge fan of Tool, love that bandand Maynard James Keenan, I
think, still lives there.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, he was living there when he decided to start
the band.
So I don't know for sure.
I think he does, yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool.
And I also discovered there's asong by a woman named Kate
Wolfe and she wrote a song aboutJerome called Old Jerome.
So you should go check that out.
We'll put the link to theYouTube channel that at least I
(07:35):
found the song on.
speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, wish we could play it, but you know copyright
thing yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So let's get into our trip to Jerome.
Sounds good.
So let's get into our trip toJerome.
Sounds good.
So let's get started on thehistory of Jerome.
Okay, and like I, said it's aformer mining town.
So, let's get started at thevery beginning Now, in 1870,
there were a number of claimsthat were filed around this
clear Patrick Hill, which Imentioned before, and it's
technically in the BlackMountains of Arizona, okay,
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which there's tons of differentmountain ranges in.
Arizona, so it's just the blackmountains, and they decided to
do large-scale mining and theyhave copper ore there and we
took some pictures we'll put uphere that kind of show it in the
hillside.
Now they wouldn't start untilfinancing was secured from
Paulina and Eugene Jerome of NewYork City and one of the
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conditions of their investmentin this mining was to name the
camp after Eugene Jerome.
speaker 3 (08:34):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You know copper.
speaker 3 (08:36):
Arizona is the copper state, yeah there's many copper
mines.
In fact, my whole family my dadworked at a copper smelter.
My grandfather worked.
I mean my entire family.
My dad worked at a coppersmelter, my grandfather worked.
I mean my entire family is fromDouglas, arizona, on my dad's
side and actually kind of mymom's side a little bit.
They moved there.
So copper is nothing new to us.
But what's interesting is well,it's a copper, there's a little
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bit more of a tie to it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, now in 1883, Eugene Jerome and James
MacDonald formed the UnitedVerde Copper Company, which I
find funny because Verde isSpanish for green.
And what happens with copperwhen it?
speaker 3 (09:16):
It patinas and gets old.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it turns, green IE.
speaker 3 (09:20):
Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yes, exactly, and with the aid of two new blast
furnaces they were turning outtons of copper and even sizable
amounts of gold and silver everymonth.
The price of copper slid toabout 42 percent in 1884 and
they finally closed the mine.
So from like in 1883 to 1884,it was only one year where they
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were starting to make money, andthen the copper slid yeah,
that's crazy.
speaker 3 (09:45):
And you know what's interesting is, even at the time
of this, recording copper isinsanely expensive.
It still is.
You know there were over thelast few years people have
talked about coming and stealingpipe stuff and from
construction sites oh yeah, theyeven steal off.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I know at the graveyard where my family like
is all buried they were werestealing the vases and stuff of
the copper.
speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, yuck and they go in and
steal copper out of houses oldhouses and stuff.
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So in 1888, Senator William A Clark of Montana
acquired the United Verde CopperCompany for $60 million and
then the mining and the smeltingresumed, 1888, $60 million.
speaker 3 (10:31):
That's a lot of money .
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That's a lot of money now, yeah, now, after he
acquired this, the price ofcopper of course went up, so
over a billion dollars of copper, gold and silver would
eventually be extracted fromthis mining company, and the
Little Daisy Mine owned by JamesMcDouglas opened up, which was
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an extension.
So they had the main one andthey had a little side one.
Oh yeah, a little side piece.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
A little side action, a little side piece mining Side
hustle.
Yeah, little side piece, littleside action.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Side hustle.
Yeah, the copper increased,like the price of copper
increased from 1888 to 1894.
And so Clark decided to build arailroad known as the United
Verde and Pacific Railroad, andit still operates today.
speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty well known.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I mean it's kind of the lifeblood of that area Now,
because of the railroad, jeromegrew steadily, reaching a
population of 15,000 people inthe mid-1920s, which still just
blows me away.
Now you're not going to seethat.
No, the massive growth andquestionable development
resulted in four major firesthat almost wiped out Jerome, so
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lots of buildings burned downand I mean there was a whole
mess of stuff.
I mean, even to this day they'rekind of all right on top of
each other they are.
There was also several hundredpounds of dynamite that
accidentally detonated in 1926that destroyed a sizable part of
downtown jerome I like how it'saccidental, like does someone?
Just go, oh surprise well, withall that mining stuff you know,
there's powder and there's allsorts of stuff that we don't
even realize that's there Now.
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The stock market crash hitJerome in 1929 with the start of
the Great Depression, when theprice of copper plummeted.
And in 1932, the price ofcopper decreased to five cents a
pound, god, and they decided toclose the mine and the smelter.
The miners left and the town'spopulation fell to less than 5
(12:31):
000 people.
So 15 000 people to 5 000people, that's crazy.
speaker 3 (12:36):
Well at five cents a pound, I mean so like 10 000
people left that town.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's no joke, and being there I can't even imagine
15,000 people.
Well, how could Like?
speaker 3 (12:46):
where would they go?
Easily, they had to tear downbuildings.
Well, yeah, there's 15,000people couldn't fit in.
What's there now?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, they could in the surrounding area.
Well, yeah, true, but we don'tsee that anymore.
The buildings are compacted,basically.
Now in 1935, the Phelps DodgeCompany bought the mine for $21
million and restarted theoperations, and that remained in
operation for another 18 yearsand it closed in 1953.
speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, and that's significant because that is the
same people that own the smelterin Douglas, arizona, the Phelps
Dodge Corporation, and myfather.
I've got generations of familythat work for him.
Now there's going to be somethat are happy with that company
and there's a lot that aren't,because when they pulled shocks
out of Douglas, it pretty muchleft that town in ruin.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
The Jerome Historical Society formed to quote,
protect, preserve and presentthe unique physical and cultural
history of Jerome through itsbuildings, architecture,
research, archives, museum andother programs, for the benefit
of residents and current andfuture generations.
So they formed that to protectthe town so it wouldn't
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basically disappear Right Now.
By 1960, fewer than 100 peoplelived in Jerome.
speaker 3 (14:02):
That I bought.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, 100 people lived in jerome that I bought.
Yeah, but in 1966 the town ofjerome was designated as a
national historic landmark andin the 60s and 70s a younger
crowd moved in and you know theylike to say there was.
They were filled with a bunchof hippies and artists yes, um,
and you still find that to thisday there's a lot of artistic
shops.
Oh absolutely, it's very muchlike Bisbee.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The town of Bisbee is a copper mine and it's very
filled with and I basically,when we were there, I said this
is like the Bisbee of the North.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, it's northern Bisbee.
That's how I saw it.
100% yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
And it's really cool because they you go to some
places and you go.
Okay, yeah, I could be here.
speaker 3 (14:48):
And it was a cool place yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
Now.
A man named Al Palmer, theformer mayor of Jerome in the
nineties, got Jerome on thetourist map and, with along with
his efforts and the towncouncil, it helped Jerome become
the third most visited Arizonasite, even visited today, with
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over 1.5 million visitors eachyear.
Jeez, that's a lot.
speaker 3 (15:16):
That is a lot so obviously they cater to tourists
.
Right, well, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Mm-hmm, yeah, today there are about 450 residents,
many of who are retired artists,business owners and workers.
The downtown area has over 15restaurants and wine bars, with
two vintage saloons.
Nice, there are over 25galleries and a number of unique
shops that represent localartists.
speaker 3 (15:40):
That's cool.
That's why the town's so cool.
Yeah, it's really cool.
Plus, mayor James Keenan livedthere.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Sorry, now.
speaker 3 (15:49):
You know, when it comes to Jerome, you're right,
it's a lot like Bisbee in thesense that there's just there's
that eclectic thing and there'salways, and it's funny because
you see that in a lot of miningtowns, and I just find that
interesting because there wasanything but eclectic back then.
You know, back then it was kindof like uh, uh, well, it's like
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tombstone.
When you see tomb there's alittle cutthroat place.
It was not, you know, it wasbuilt on some kind of shady
stuff.
So I just always find itinteresting.
Now Bisbee I don't thinknecessarily was, but for sure
Tombstone, and it sounds likeJerome was kind of about the
same.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, I think most of those Old West mining towns had
the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So there was a lot of deaths.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Obviously there was a lot of violence, Just crazy
amount.
And we're going to put up someof these.
As we're speaking, I found someold newspaper articles of just
people dying and people, peoplegetting like murdering and all
this other stuff just with thisyou know jerome on it, I mean
and that that is just a littlebit crazy.
Now we're going to talk aboutsome actual haunted locations,
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but let's talk about why wethink it's so.
Obviously for the reasons wejust spoke about, but also well
what's in the the hillside?
it's copper, copper, and copperis known as like a conductor.
It basically amplifies rightspiritual activity it's.
speaker 3 (17:14):
It's, first of all, it's no secret it's nature's
greatest conductor.
I mean, yes, look at any wiringyou have in your house has
copper, most likely unless it'sfiber optic and you ran your
whole house fiber optic, whichmeans you're too rich to watch
us anyway.
Um, but you know, you look atthose things and a lot of um,
even typical ghost hunting gear,which I hate that word goes uh,
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we'll just say paranormalinvestigating gear has a ton of
copper my dowsing rods dowsingrods yes and they work
phenomenally, so probably ourbest gear, yeah like mine were
actually dug like the copper wasdug out of the ground near a
river so they very much, so yeah, they're pretty supercharged
so yeah, it's a naturalconductor, as it is, and
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depending on how you feel about,uh, ghost activity, a lot of
people feel it is an electricalcharge.
There's electricity behind it,which is why we measure it with
EMF gauges, why we measure itwith milimeters and all these
different things, because wesuspect that it's electrical.
So anything with copper andelectrical is going to be a
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natural conduit.
That's why I think and there'sanother part to this what else
is in drone Water?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh yeah, see Gotcha, I was trying to think what?
What's he talking about?
speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We did find some running water, and that's too
specific to a place at leastthat we saw.
Yeah, and we'll talk about Now.
Cottonwood does actually have alot of lush Cottonwood trees.
speaker 3 (18:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
And that's why it's named Cottonwood, and there's a
major I think it's the, actuallyit's the Verde River that runs
through there.
Yep, because we were lookingand they have like even kayak
trips and stuff.
Yeah, let me say something herewhen you're in Arizona, you
don't see boats, you don't seekayak, you don't see that in
arizona now grand canyon has thecolorado river flowing through
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it and you do it see it up andyeah, but if you're kind of out
in this area where it's kind ofmore desert, yeah, you don't
really see that, but cottonwooddoes have the big trees which I
thought was really interesting.
Yeah, it does but you drive justover from cottonwood is sedona
and you don't have that.
speaker 3 (19:28):
No, it's pretty dry.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're back in Lake Desert, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So it's very rare to see that.
But yeah, we did see some waterflowing and we just kind of ran
upon it and I didn't know itwas going to be there.
So yeah, there's a lot of stuffgoing on in Jerome.
speaker 3 (19:50):
And going to be there .
Um, so, yeah, there's, there'sa lot of stuff going on in
jerome and when you already gotall this tragedy and if that
holds on to that, it's a supercharge.
Yeah, I mean honestly, jerome,much like tombstone, much like
some of these places that havewater, have the type of
geological stuff in it, it turnsinto kind of like one of those
hotbeds.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And there's something to say about mountains.
I don't know what it is, and itmust just be what's in the
mountain, the rocks in themountain.
But every place we've ever gonethat has a mountain has some
kind of juju.
I like that word because it'sthe only way to explain it.
There is juju going on.
speaker 3 (20:22):
Well, with my limited amount of scientific knowledge,
the way I understood mountainsto form is there were two
standing bodies of land and,whether that be through
earthquake or whatever, theyslammed up against each other.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And they come up and it created.
speaker 3 (20:40):
So when you have rock that hits each other just a
basic abc123 science rocks thatslam against each other what do
they do?
They spark yeah, they kind ofright.
There's an energy to it anelectrical charge.
So two big land masses that slamagainst each other bound to
create some kind of whether it'sa residual energy or however it
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is.
But I've especially in ourculture we always think of the
mountains as being I mean,they're not dead objects,
they're very alive, there's,there's a lot of things that are
done with it because of thatvery nature.
I think that having those twoforces collide creates that
energy, creates all these otherdifferent things.
Then you add the fact that it'scopper, the fact that there's
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running water, againsupercharged.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, true, in this specific spot.
And most mountains have runningwater.
So we get there, we unpackeverything and we've got the dog
with us.
We're like, okay, we wanted togo to one of the really cool
restaurants but, dog right Now.
I will say, though, arizona isvery animal friendly.
That's right, jerome was veryanimal friendly.
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We just looked up to see whatrestaurants would accept a dog.
Well, we found one that had areally cool title and we weren't
super hungry.
But I'm like I want to get outand at least experience.
We can just get appetizers orsomething.
And we find this restaurantcalled the Haunted Hamburger so
awesome.
It was so awesome, and they,you know, I contacted them and
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they allow pets and they have aninside, and then they have an
outdoor seating, like on abalcony.
I'm like, of course we're goingto sit on the outside, you know
, of course, and they have a.
The outside balcony has like anoverlook, like, and it was so
cool.
So we went around sunset,brought the dog and they allowed
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us to sit out on the patio.
Really, really awesome littleplace and I'm like why is it
called the haunted hamburger?
There's got to be some reasonand we did talk um to the
manager.
She came to our table and yeah,and the uh, our waitress was
really cool.
Yeah, um, and they gave us somestuff.
We're going to put the picturesup here of like their, their
menu and how to contact them,and they even have a little gift
shop.
You can buy little stuff.
speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I didn't get to go in, but you did.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we go into the gift shopafter we ate, of course, and so
I just wanted to show this.
We we always get shot glassesthat's our thing wherever we go,
because it's something smallthat you can put in a suitcase
and then you know you displaywhere you've traveled that's
right so I'm gonna show thislittle shot glass if you're on
the video podcast yeah, and ifyou're not, uh, just a clear one
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.
speaker 3 (23:15):
It's a clear one with a big h and says haunted
hamburger.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
They did have the glasses that they serve your
drinks in and stuff.
Yeah, that was cool.
But I'm like, oh, we've gotalready so much yeah by that
part of the trip we had alreadyjeep was completely back to full
.
Definitely was back to full butit it was really good food.
You had the what I had thehamburger sliders?
Yeah, and we'll put pictures uphere of us sitting there and I
had, which is something.
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Well, we had deep fried pickleswe shared between the two of us
which are really good, butsomething I had never seen on a
menu, and I'm not a spice person.
I love it, but it does not loveme, and so I have to always be
really careful.
But, these are really good, butafter a few, like I, ate most
of them.
You did, but they started to geta little heated but they were
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chipotle deviled eggs and I lovedeviled eggs, but I was like I
had never seen that before andthey were delicious, but by the
end my face was starting to geta little red they put that on
the burgers too, like a sauce.
speaker 3 (24:13):
It's very good, but yeah it had a little zip to it.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
when you go to the southwest, I mean that's the
thing they like to it.
Had a little zip to it when yougo to the Southwest, I mean
that's the thing they like tospice it up, that's what we do.
But thank you to everybody atthe Haunted Hamburger and we're
going to provide their Facebookpage here and you can go visit
them.
If you're in Jerome, you've gotto go there.
It's just a really, really coollittle space and everybody's so
friendly, and the manager wastelling us about everything that
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happens in the restaurant andwas pointing out other places in
town.
Yeah, and it's super haunted.
Yeah, you can feel it.
Yeah, but here's some of thewhat they say happens.
So there's cans that fly offthe shelves.
Um, the hot water gets turnedon in the middle of the night,
which that's a bill.
Yeah, distinct smells in thestairwell and there are
photographs taken by the gueststhat show an apparition of a
woman interesting but it kind ofsits on that.
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I can't remember what street'son, but there's kind of like a
main street that kind of goesthrough the town.
Yeah it kind of kind of windsaround and it kind of just sits
right there and it's just downfrom one of the other places
we're going to discuss, right.
So yeah, it's kind of a mainthoroughfare there it is, and
first of all parking's a littlebit of a challenge, but it's
still worth it, um oh, it'stotally worth it, even if you
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have to walk a little bit too,it's worth it and I love and
we'll show the pictures up here,but they've got like a little
skeleton hanging off the edge oftheir sign that says
montanberger I was like that'sso cool when we first pulled up
I was like what is that skeletondoing to that sign?
speaker 3 (25:40):
it's so cool it looks a little interesting, but no,
it is really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So make sure and check them out, go visit them if
you're.
You're in town, just an awesome, awesome place yeah, it really
is.
speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm glad we I'm glad we just decided to go out
because we're pretty tired, butyeah and it was perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Amount of food, great view.
We watched the sunset.
We did yeah.
It just was perfect and we gotto bring our dog and he was
really good.
speaker 3 (26:05):
Yep, the man-to-man.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Mm-hmm, Yep.
Now on to one of the mainplaces talked to or talked about
in Jerome as being haunted,which is the Connor Hotel.
Yeah, jerome.
As being haunted, which is theconnor hotel, yeah, okay now it
was built in 1898 by davidconnor, which is appropriate for
the name.
Yeah, I mean, it fits irishman,obviously.
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Now.
It was originally designed with20 rooms upstairs and it was a
first class lodgingestablishment also offered
bathroom, card rooms andbilliard tables.
On the first floor the roomswere rented on the what was
called the european plan okayokay, for the pricely sum of one
dollar per night, wouldn't thatbe nice.
Now, the connor's telephonenumber was eight oh, it's long
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distance eight one I don't knowhow long distance.
I'm 10 this is interesting thestone foundations for the
building were quarried from thehills around jerome and the
brick was fired in nearbycottonwood okay so you're seeing
where we're getting I see whatyou're putting down, yeah now
before the turn of the century,the hotel burned to the ground
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twice, so I don't think thecomplete thing did, but like it
was burnt twice.
But remember we talked aboutall the fires that happened.
speaker 3 (27:24):
There's only dynamite .
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, and it reopened in August of 1899, being one of
the finest lodgingestablishments in a booming
mining town in the West.
Hmm, I paid a dollar for thisroom.
Yeah, I paid a dollar for thisroom, though the hotel was too
expensive for the quote ladiesof the night okay to use for
their customers.
There was a false storefrontlocated at the west end of the
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building which opened up to theinfamous quote husband's alley.
Oh, okay.
speaker 3 (27:54):
The ladies of the night.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Where the ladies had their own cribs.
Now, if you don't know what acrib is, we do because we've
been to Tombstone many, manytimes.
It's basically a room.
speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's not a great one either.
It's called a crib.
It's basically big enough for abed to do the business, and
that was it.
speaker 3 (28:08):
It's an F?
Shack.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Mm-hmm, yeah, now when the mines?
Oh sure, yeah Right, and itcaused it to close in 1931.
The shops on the first floorwere continually rented, but the
upstairs rooms remained vacant.
Now, in the 1980s, there was arestoration done to make it safe
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once again for guests, becauseyou go that long, or a long time
period.
speaker 3 (28:37):
Just a slight amount of time.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Now.
Here are the hauntings okay,yeah or what's claimed.
There are said to be twospirits that are said to haunt
the building a lady in red and amale spirit.
Now we're going to talk aboutsome specific rooms here and we
should say that we were only outin front of this because
obviously, yeah, had the dog, sowe couldn't really go in, know,
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because we weren't, we didn'tknow where we were allowed to
walk and we couldn't stay there.
I kind of wanted to stay there,but, yeah, dogs, yeah.
Now room number one.
speaker 3 (29:10):
Okay, people say they can hear a woman whispering as
well as they can hear scratchingsounds you know when, when we
do any kind of investigation orjust in general loud stuff, it's
scary.
I'm not saying it's not, butwhispers it's different.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, and scratching sounds.
Now, could that be an animalwith as old of a building it is?
In the walls yeah, I could seethat yeah yeah, one guest said
that he felt a cold presence.
Join him in bed by lying on topof him.
Now that's different.
I don't know how you explainthat.
One In the F-jack, I don't knowwhere room one is.
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No, I think these are no,because there's a store at the
bottom.
speaker 3 (29:51):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And so this is up at the top.
Okay, Now an artist that wasstaying there, kept seeing a
Lady in Red in his dreams.
And this is why this meanssomething to me, because
whenever I get contact, it'salways through my dreams.
And it's weird because at thetime you're not scared, because
it's in your dreams and you wakeup and think about it.
You're like whoa.
speaker 3 (30:11):
There's that protection right there.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So he decided to paint a large mural, which is
now found above the bar, in thespirit room of the Lady in Red,
and the spirit room is like abar that they've got in the
downstairs area of the hotel andso we're going to include that
photo here, and there is a Ladyin Red and maybe she was one of
the lady.
speaker 3 (30:31):
Maybe she was the head lady.
You know that Lady in Red songjust keeps coming in.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I know, I know In room five people feel hot and
cold spots.
Which a hot spot?
I don't know what that would beI've never.
speaker 3 (30:44):
It is arizona.
I mean, yeah, I don't know, hotspot that you would feel in the
air would probably just be likea warm breeze, maybe I don't
know I don't know or that'sinteresting.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, yeah, but the cold spot I get.
speaker 3 (30:56):
I've seen that and felt it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Now people's hair on their arms and neck stand
straight up.
We've had that happen and theyhear strange noises.
Yes, Electrical appliances likeTVs and lights malfunction and
they say the alarm clock goesoff by itself when the room is
empty.
speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, again, you know , you look at the whole
30,000-foot view.
You say to yourself, okay, it'sjust, I know, you think I say
that a lot.
And you say to yourself, it'sjust, you know what.
Can it be explained?
Yeah, I mean theoretically,copper electrical we already
discussed it's a conduit.
Could there be a you know, adischarge of some sort to affect
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this?
Sure, but looking at the biggerpicture, yeah, and for it to
just happen in one specific roomversus the entire place.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I don't know.
Now, the second floor bathroom,um, they say.
Well, there was a relative ofthe owner who was using the
bathroom when she heard a softman's voice calling her in the
bathroom there's a thing aboutbathrooms.
There is like you're veryvulnerable.
Yeah, that is not cool.
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Like I hear people talkingabout like things happen when
they're in the shower and stuff.
That's where I draw the line.
I'm like you can wait until I'mout.
speaker 3 (32:12):
You got your derriere in the air and you got somebody
whispering at you.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Geez and a soft man's voice.
That's really odd.
Well, at least it's soft, butif it was a relative of the
owner, that means she's probablythere a lot.
Yeah, and they may know her byname, maybe, so that that's a
little interesting to me I yeah,but the bathroom because the
guests?
They're not.
They come and go but, this issomeone they probably knew yeah,
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probably now in the stairs andin the hallways, photographs
that people take capture, whichI don't know.
It says the vortex of aninvisible entity on the stairs.
speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't know what that means well, I mean, I guess
you would figure a tornadotechnically is a vortex, so
probably like a, a v-shaped kindof mist, I don't know yeah, I
don't know exactly, but that'swhat's reported anyway, now in
the spirit room, like Imentioned, that's the name of
the saloon type bar thing.
That's in the, you know, thefirst floor which is a really
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cool name because spiritobviously being alcohol.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I thought that was really cool.
Now the lady in red appears tostand looking at a person before
slowly fading away, so she isseen there, and that would make
sense if she was on the firstfloor, sure?
Yeah, that does make sensebecause that's where all that
activity happened.
Now people also report beingtouched by an unseen person in
the bar.
Now is it that's happening, orare they just little?
speaker 3 (33:40):
had a few too many drinks, a little lucy lou, hey.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But I could see that.
I mean, if that was the floorwhere these women yeah that that
does make sense to me well,that's where they conducted
their business exactly andbusiness was good now on to the,
now on to the main haunt ofthis town, okay, which is the
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Jerome Grand Hotel, okay, and itis very much like the Shining
Hotel.
It's up on this hillside and toget a good view of it and get a
good picture of it, we actuallyhad to have drive away from
jerome, like we're still injerome, but across and you'll
see.
Then we were able to get a fullpicture of the city.
speaker 3 (34:27):
Um and honestly, that's cool building.
Oh yeah, and that's why I gotthe shining vibe when we're
driving up there, because you dosee it from the road as it's
winding up.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah yeah, and it sits up on this big hilltop.
It's very cool and you know Ihad to walk up to it to try to
get pictures of some of thisstuff.
But as I was doing that, as wewere talking about the water,
before I noticed I had to crossover like this little culvert of
running water that's goingright underneath the hotel and
we've got a picture that I took.
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I tried to get the picture andif people saw me there were a
few of how it was dangling overthis thing to try to get the
picture of the culvert and up tothe hotel to show that it's
like folks, we go the extra milefor you.
Yes, we do.
I'm like I'm gonna break my legor my arm doing this.
That's not cool I had to danglethe the camera down which had
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my heart that I got the shot.
speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, let's just dangle our expensive gear over
and hope, nothing happens but Igot it, and that's all that
matters you got it so the jeromegrand hotel.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
It was constructed in 1926 but it started out as the
united verde hospital, okay, toreplace the old hospital that
was constructed in 1917 that haddamaged south wing.
So this hospital was basicallyto yep take care of all the
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miners and anybody that got hurt, and anybody who knows mining?
speaker 3 (35:56):
who's been raised around mining?
It is constant.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Horrific injuries.
speaker 3 (36:01):
Injuries, deaths yeah , the things my family has told
me that happened just in thesmelter alone, not just the mine
.
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Now the United Verde Copper Company insisted that the
building be built fireproof andto be able to withstand major
blasting from the mines.
So each floor has three firezones and when the stairway uh,
stairwell doors close, a sixhour fire break is between the
floors.
So they've got six hours to tryto fight that before it goes to
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the next floor.
speaker 3 (36:36):
I can't even imagine that it'd take two hours to get
to it.
You know, coming up the roadProbably yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Now this resulted in what is termed as an
above-ground bomb shelter, inthe Spanish mission styles, the
way it's described as beingbuilt.
Okay, all the exterior walls,floors and roof are reinforced,
poured in place concrete, withthe only wood used in
construction being doors,windows and built-in cabinets.
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Okay, yeah, the walls betweenthe rooms are compressed, gypsum
blocks plastered on both sides,and the ceilings are suspended
metal lath and plaster.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Hmm, man, that's some reinforcing there.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, which is why the thing's still around.
speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It is 30,000 square feet.
Yeah, that is a lot of coverageand it featured patient call
lights, balconies, sun porches,emergency backup lighting and
they had one of those Otisself-service elevators.
speaker 3 (37:37):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
They had one of those otisself-service elevators.
They had an ice making room,laboratories and x-ray, major
and minor surgical facilities,men's, women's and children's
wards, private and semi-privaterooms, blanket warming closets
and housing for some staff.
Yeah, that's massive.
That's huge.
In 1930 it was considered themost modern hospital in Arizona
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and possibly the western states.
More than 9,000 people died inthe hospital.
Wow.
The hospital closed in 1950 andmost of the furnishings were
removed in the 70s and 80s 9,000people Now.
speaker 3 (38:17):
I mean, and there's probably more, but that's what
they know for sure you know youlook at like, uh, all the big,
big hotels or hospitals, ratherthat you know that are well
known to be hot spots.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
You gotta know this place is just non-stop ghost or
ghost fun you know it's justwell, and I found some newspaper
articles of people actuallylike that got injured and
actually died in the hospitaland obviously there I could have
gone for hours.
I just clipped a few to show.
speaker 3 (38:46):
But you know, not good, no deaths no, and
hospitals, I mean they just havethat now.
I do know a lot of hospitalsare residual, but still I know
that there's got to be someactive and some intelligent.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Oh yeah, it's got to be just wicked crazy.
Now it closes the hospitalAfter the suicide.
So the caretaker in the 80skilled himself, they think in
the boiler room.
So after that happened thebuilding was boarded up and
watched over by local police anda small staff and then in
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december of 1993 it was sold tolarry alther who still owns and
operates it to this day, andthat's when you know his name
wasn't freddie.
speaker 3 (39:33):
The guy killed himself in the boiler room, was
it?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I don't know, okay.
Why are you saying that the guykilled himself in the boiler
room, was it?
I don't know, okay, why are yousaying that?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
What was that Nightmare on Elm Street?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Okay, I don't like those movies so I don't pay
attention.
Now, excavation was done duringthe first two years of
renovation and it wasn't untilJuly of 96 that the first rooms
were ready and the building wasopened as a hotel.
And in 2003, which I love, this, this, and I wish we could have
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gone because it's been awesomethey name now this is not an
asylum, this is a regularhospital.
But they named the restaurantthe asylum restaurant.
Yes, and they opened that in um2003.
That's really cool.
Yeah, I mean, here are thereported hauntings.
Now here is what's interesting.
So we've got some informationfrom the owner.
When he first moved in andstarted work, okay, he said that
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there was kind of a feeling,like when you went in, that like
your presence being there waskind of being questioned, like
if it was okay for you to bethere, if you were welcomed or
not.
And he said, after being therefor about a couple months, he
said this feeling started torelax, being questioned like if
it was okay for you to be there,um, if you were welcomed or not
.
And he said, after being therefor about a couple months, he
said this feeling started torelax.
And then one day during thesecond month it totally went
away for him at least during thefollowing months, there became
(40:49):
a feeling of a protective nature, like, okay, they've, he's been
accepted as being the new ownerand it's okay to be there yeah
now the owner also said that outof the many visiting psychics
over the years which he's, Iguess, brought them in, three of
them seem to pick up a numberof things, both past and present
.
Two in particular said quotethe head nurse or the nurse in
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charge okay was upset with theremoval of the desks.
Okay, which would make sense.
speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, I mean it's very important for them.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Now.
Both of the psychics were inwhat is now the restaurant
lounge area and originally thedispensary and main entrance for
the hospital.
The owner told each psychic theoriginal dispensary desks were
in storage.
The psychics did not know eachother and visited more than a
year apart.
speaker 3 (41:41):
That's interesting yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Interesting the hotel and he asked the owner what
they were and if he could usethem in the restaurant area.
Interesting.
Given permission, the originaldispensary counter height desks
were relocated within a few feetof the original placement.
To date, the head nurse has madeno more complaints isn't that
interesting well, at least aboutthe desk, they say yeah fair
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enough the hotel owner doesadmit that if there are spirits,
they must be a lot happieroccupying a hotel instead of a
hospital, and I thought this wasfun.
He said they are dealing withthe clientele that are here by
choice and not necessity nice,that's a good way to spin it.
speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So I thought that was a really, really cool little
tidbit.
Yeah, now guests and workersand stuff, they say they hear
coughing and labored breathingcoming from empty rooms,
children laughing and crying inempty rooms, in the hallways,
newborn baby cries on the thirdand fourth floors, which is
where yep the needle natal well,maybe not neonatal, but just
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like uh you know what do theycall that for kids um?
Well, like all the birthingrooms and stuff, that's what I'm
talking about name, justescapes me anyway there's a
smell of flowers um dust, cigar,smoke and whiskey, which is a
great combination.
Flowers, I mean flowers getdelivered in the hospital.
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Um dust, I think, is probablyjust being where it is.
Yeah, um, but cigar, smoke andwhiskey, I thought was
interesting yeah, it just meansmakes me think of the.
speaker 3 (43:24):
You know the amount of people that were there.
You know smoking cigars andlike a big.
I mean, yeah, they would havedone that yeah even if it was a
hospital.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I mean, at that time period they didn't know it was
bad for them.
speaker 3 (43:35):
I wonder, if they paid more than a dollar at the
hospital?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
probably, yeah, yeah, now there are light anomalies
and televisions turning on bythemselves.
Um, there is a ghost of a caton the third floor.
speaker 3 (43:48):
Okay, there's always like a cat ghost there is never,
not I mean, I'm not saying theydon't exist, but dog ghosts.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
You don't really hear that much about that's because
cats are independent and they'rethey're tied to the spiritual
world.
You know think about thepharaohs and stuff in egypt they
were frightened of them, yeah,they yeah well somewhere now the
third floor, um.
I guess most of the deathsoccurred in the operating room
there I could see that sure nowthey say that they hear the
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sound of a hospital gurney, likethe wheels going across the
floor like the squeaky, yeah incase you guys didn't pick that
up, that was no need to repeatnow.
Room number 32 um, it was aformer hospital guest room with
a balcony and the site of twopossible suicides.
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One former minor confined to awheelchair reportedly climbed
Yuck.
Oh, okay, because there is onetalk about a businessman.
speaker 3 (44:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
The caretaker who committed suicide in the boiler
room okay, um, the caretaker whocommitted suicide in the boiler
room um, and there's also amaintenance man, claude claude,
claude claude harvey was foundin the basement crushed by the
elevator in 1935.
Yikes, and they think he ridesthe otis elevator at all hours
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because they'll they'll catch itmoving and there's no one on it
.
speaker 3 (45:20):
I wonder if those are like modern elevators, where
they run a cycle or they just goup and down well, it's the old
otis yeah, you're right elevatorso I don't, I don't think so.
That's freaky, yeah, I thoughtthat was really interesting, are
you?
First of all?
Just a few of those alone wouldbe enough to go.
Okay, you're gonna really checkit out, but I'd love to see
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this elevator thing that'd bereally interesting, I know I
wish you could have gone inthere we will be back though,
because I without the petsbecause I want to go in all
these places.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yep, and there's one other place that I wanted to
mention and I just happened tofind it and it is really cool,
and that's where a lot of thepictures that we got, like the
distance pictures of jerome,because is the thing in arizona
that I noticed and to him itwasn't often I'm like it's
really weird.
Like everywhere you go, everymountain that they've got,
they've got a letter in the sideof it and, like arizona, in
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tucson, they've got the a foryep, for university of arizona,
and bisbee, they've got the b,the b, and so we went to jerome.
They had the j the j so we'vegot the picture of jerome with
the.
You know all the buildings andfrom the distance, you can see
it.
But the reason we found thisand I didn't realize we were
going to see all that is becausewe were looking for this
cemetery.
speaker 3 (46:33):
Yes, okay, and it's a miners cemetery incidentally,
if you're getting to thiscemetery and you're on that main
strip that we're talking about,that winds through, there's
going to be a sign that tellsyou to go there.
You're not going to fall offthe mountain.
It looks like it it looks likeyou're going to and every atom
in your body is telling youdon't make this turn.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
But don't worry, it's fine, you go down, you'll be
okay but even if you don't gothere for the cemetery, it gives
you like 360 views, yeah, oflike the city and the um mining,
you know the smelter andeverything it's really cool,
it's really we've got picturesof that here, um, but it's
called the hog back cemeterybecause the ridge that it sits
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on is Hogback Ridge, which is aninteresting name Very
interesting.
Now there is, the cemetery iskind of locked up, or at least
it was when we were there and wehad no way to access it.
And I think you used to be ableto get to it in the past,
because I've seen other accountsof people actually walking
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among, among the gravestones,but we had no way to get in
there and maybe it's becausepeople there was too many people
it gave me the feels, yeah,yeah, now it's very unkempt.
speaker 3 (47:49):
I mean there's broken headstones everywhere which is
probably why they don't letpeople.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, I mean it's all grown up and um.
Some of the grave sites arelike fenced in like with like
the metal, and I think that wasoriginally because of animals.
They didn't want them being dugup.
Yeah, and they think there'sabout 400 graves 400.
I didn't think it was 400 therewell, but we and they said the
but there's fewer than like 40headstones yeah and some of them
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, the headstones are laying downand we couldn't even see them
from where, because we were onlyallowed to go to the gate and I
tried to, like, I actuallyclimbed up on the top of the
jeep to try to get a picture,yeah, um, and tried to zoom in
as much as I could.
But, like I said, yeah, they'reprobably all buried down the
hillside from where we could see.
speaker 3 (48:33):
That's weird yeah, when you got, if you guys ever
go there and you look at it,even in the pictures that we're
going to show, no way do youever think there's going to be
400 of them there.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, and they think that most of the people that
died and were buried there diedof gunshot wounds or mining
accidents, diseases, stuff likethat, and there was, over time,
there was more than just theminers.
Oh, yeah, because once theyleft, it was just people of the
town, but there was a lot ofviolence and they think there
are a lot of the ladies of thenight that got killed or buried
there as well, and this is kindof how Jerome got the reputation
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as the wickedest town in theWest.
But we've heard that multipletimes about, like Tombstone,
even Tucson.
They've all got that there wasa lot of violence.
speaker 3 (49:16):
There's a reason why my home state has, you know, was
called the wild wild west, youknow, because it was, yeah, it
was the wild west and peopledidn't exactly, first of all,
nobody really listened to lawthat well out there.
It was truly a frontiersmanmentality.
So, yeah, I mean, if you hadsomething they wanted, they were
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going to take it, whether itmeant your life or not.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Now a lot of the reports, at least when you could
walk among them.
You know they report hearingdisembodied voices which I could
see.
And they hear footsteps likewalking up behind them and see
dark figures, probably at night.
speaker 3 (49:57):
I would think they see shadow figures you know,
when it comes to the disembodiedvoices, and when you look at
the pictures and you think aboutwhere it is.
Sometimes I attribute thatmaybe to wind.
You know, that's kind ofrustling through some of that
stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know, um, I would have loved and I don't know it
could carry.
But I mean, the town is so farfrom there I don't know if a
voice could carry that far.
speaker 3 (50:17):
But there are homes close to it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah.
speaker 3 (50:20):
So I mean it could.
And what's interesting is thatit's kind of one of those where
you would get that kind ofairflow in that valley through
the mountain range and if it'shigh wind at all it's going to
run through all that stuff.
And my guess is some of thatstuff is kind of recorded and
thought of as being disembodiedvoices.
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Now, I'm not saying it's nothaunted, because, let me tell
you something, we drove up to it.
It gave me the big time feels,but I really wish we would have
had a chance to actually dosomething there.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, you know, and we need to specify too is you're
standing there and off, to yourleft, up on the hillside is
where the town of jerome or themain downtown is okay, and then
to your right down the hill, Imean very far down the hill, is
the, the copper mining company,so you can see it right there,
and so it's basically nestledbetween the two, and so I don't
know, maybe there's kind of likeI mean it could be, yeah, like
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a sound thing, that kind of yeahyeah but we tried to get and,
like I said before, like Idangled over the water way to
get this picture and to get thispicture of the mining company,
I literally climbed on the roofof the jeep yes, to get up
behind it, because if you try totake it from that place, in the
cemetery there's trees, there'severything else blocking the
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majority of it and I couldn'tget a good perspective.
Now we did get a good um shot ofit yeah um, so that's, that's
the united very copper company.
And there's also you can kindof see it in the distance from
the picture that we put up fromum the hotel.
Yep, um, when you're lookingdown, you can kind of see it in
the distance from the picturethat we put up from the hotel
Yep.
When you're looking down youcan see it off in the distance
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and it was a huge operation.
speaker 3 (52:05):
It's enormous.
And if you look at it,especially the picture we're
going to put up, at the time wetook it there was a fire going
on, so that kind of sucked too.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah, there was a lot of smoke in our photos because
they were really worried becauseit was getting super windy and
all that stuff.
But you can see how it kind ofjust nestles there.
speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, it added a little bit to the the spookiness
yeah.
It didn't detract from our funthere, it just was, except when
in the morning you're like, yeah, it was a little choky.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, but that was our time
spent in jerome.
Like we said, we were there fora night and part of a day and
we were off to sedona the nextday, but definitely a very cool
place.
Would love to go back andactually stay in one of the
rooms of probably stay in bothhotels.
That would be really cool andthere are more places that we
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did not discuss.
I mean, according to the localum residents and the people that
we talked to, the whole town'shaunted I mean every house.
speaker 3 (53:07):
There's a museum there.
I mean there's, there's a tonof places they say that are
haunted yeah, I mean the wholetown and, but they're sitting on
copper and water yeah, that,that to me, and guys go look
at yourself, yeah I mean it'swhen we say it's, it's gorgeous,
it's gorgeous, but it's, in myopinion, it is super charged for
(53:29):
paranormal activity.
Yes, um, there's a reason whythis is all happening there.
Um, check it out, I mean it'scool, but I will say this if
you're, if you're, scared ofheights, they might be
challenging.
Um, there's definitely somedrop-offs when you're driving up
there.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, um, it's very safe yeah, it's just yeah if
you're looking out, if if yougot height problems, don't look
out yeah, don't look out it'sgonna be hard to do not look out
, but I mean it's, it'sbeautiful, I mean it's it's just
a really cool town.
And go experience the localrestaurants, talk to the local
people, go visit the galleriesand the shops.
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Yeah, because I mean you get afeel for the town yep.
speaker 3 (54:11):
and if you stay at the hotel and you hear somebody
go all work, no play makes jacka dull boy I wouldn't hang
around.
On that note, guys.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I apologize.
speaker 3 (54:23):
Oh, you know you like it.
Hey, listen, we had a good time.
Thank you for stopping by.
Any questions, comments oranything, please leave them.
Other than that, guys, we'llsee you next week.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
See you next week.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
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