March 5, 2025 • 64 mins
Could Scota, the enigmatic figure from ancient lore, truly be the forgotten sister of Tutankhamun? We're joined by the insightful Luke Eastwood, an author and practicing Druid hailing from Ireland, who has woven a tapestry of history and myth in his latest book, "Scotia, the Lost Sister of Tutankhamun." Luke takes us on a captivating exploration through the intersection of ancient Egyptian history and Irish mythology, challenging our understanding of the connections that may have spanned continents. His unique perspective and rich experiences living across Scotland, England, the U.S., and now Ireland, offer a fresh lens on the evolution of spiritual practices and the courage it takes to question long-held beliefs.
Journey with us as we traverse the landscapes of ancient Egypt and the rocky terrain of Ireland, piecing together the story of Scota. Could she have been an Egyptian princess buried in Ireland's Dingle Peninsula? We examine archaeological and DNA evidence that might connect Egyptian dynasties with regions in Europe, unraveling the myths and tales surrounding her possible migration and influence. With personal anecdotes adding vivid color, we discuss the geographical and cultural challenges she might have faced, her potential impact on the Gaelic people, and the tantalizing possibility that Scotland's very name is derived from her legacy.
Our conversation takes a bolder turn as we question conventional historical narratives, shining a light on the often-overlooked maritime prowess of ancient civilizations. With insights from experts like Lorraine Evans, we critique the narrow perspectives that dismiss significant evidence of ancient seafaring and exploration. The discussion underscores the importance of challenging orthodoxies to spark innovation and understanding, whether it be through historical revisions or exploring the underpinnings of scientific paradigms. We close with reflections on the transformative power of personal exploration and writing, inviting listeners to reimagine the past and its legacies in our modern world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gautier is the main person in this, but you know a
subtitle lost sister ofTutankhamun.
Obviously she is notparticularly well known in that
role and some people might evensay, well, is that the case?
Was she Tutankhamun's sister?
And I would say yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm Logan and I'm Nicole, and this is Generation X
Paranormal.
So today we've got someone thatwe've spoken to before.
We have Luke Eastwood on andwe're really excited to talk to
him.
But what can you tell us aboutLuke?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So Luke was on for our Samhain episode.
It was really great and youshould go back and listen to it
if you haven't.
He had wrote a book about that,but he's back because he's
authored a new book, yeah, yeah,so he is an author.
He's a practicing Druid and helives in Ireland, but we're here
to speak to him today about hisnew book, scotia, the Lost
(01:19):
Sister of Tutankhamun.
Yeah, and I'm a big fan of thatstuff, so I'm super excited to
talk to him about this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, it's going to be super interesting.
Yeah, can't wait.
Yeah, so let's talk to Luke,let's do it.
Hey, luke, how you doing?
Hi, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, for sure.
No, we're.
We're excited to have you back.
I'll be honest with you.
It was probably really one ofour better received videos in a
while.
Um, for the folks, who don't?
Oh yeah, for folks who don'tknow, we we had luke on uh for
(01:53):
salwin and you know kind ofexplaining the origins of salwin
and and what we call halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Um, but yeah, it wasn't very it was very well
used opportunity to flash mybook up and plug it one more
time.
There you go, there you go,perfect yeah, check it out it's
awesome, there you go, that'swhat it's called.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Absolutely, yeah, we had a blast, um, and I think for
our, our audience, they'realways really intrigued because,
you know, granted, we do have apretty good worldwide audience,
but you know, obviously themajority of it is a pretty good
worldwide audience, but you know, obviously the majority of it
is here in the States, sothey're not always quite as in
tune with.
You know, some of the, some ofthe other views, some of the
(02:34):
other traditions, especiallylike a Druid tradition, they're
not typically that attuned to it, although they celebrate all of
it and they don't realize it.
But true, but but yeah, it wasfantastic and you know we have
you on because obviously you hadasked to come back.
You got a book coming and, yeah, we saw.
(02:56):
I'll be honest, I'm I'm not asfamiliar with it, I know of it
but but it's extremelyinteresting.
But anyway, for those whohaven't listened to the first
episode or watch the firstepisode, uh, if you could kind
of just give us a real quickbreeze over yourself.
So, those who don't know andhaven't watched the other show,
kind of give us a quick, uh,quick little information about
(03:19):
Luke.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay well, yeah, I'm, I guess I'm originally from
North East Scotland and I movedaway when I was a kid down to
England and I lived there till Iwas 29.
I worked in America verybriefly for about six months in
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America, went traveling aroundback to London.
I spent 10 years yeah, 10 yearsin London altogether, and then
I moved to Ireland with my thenwife, who's Irish Anyway.
So I've just ended up stayinghere ever since and this is my
home now.
So I've been here for nearly 26years, I think so, when I had
(04:09):
started into this whole druidthing back in london.
But I suppose most of thatlearning process has been here
in ireland.
So you know, uh, that's prettymuch what I'm steeped in in this
Irish version of Neo-Jewishism.
I call it Neo-Jewishism becauseit's like we are different from
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the original Druids, of course,because there's this long
period of time and paganism kindof disappeared and reappeared.
So I think it's important todistinguish between the two, you
know, because absolutely it'schanged.
I mean, even christianity haschanged enormously dramatically
(04:53):
yeah, and like judaism's,changed an awful lot from when
it first started various otherreligions.
I actually went to turkey andthere's some really ancient
chapels in this.
I can't remember the placewhere it is now, the name
escapes me but these kind ofstrange volcanic hills and
(05:14):
they're easily carved, so it'ssoft rock.
So they made all these chapelsand buildings in the rock and
some of the earliest Christianchristian churches there where
they painted the ceilings andstuff and you know the
iconography and everything isjust so different from now.
(05:34):
Oh sure you get in a modernchurch, so you know in like
whatever that's there, like 200ad.
So 1800 years later you've gotsomething that's completely and
utterly different from the earlychurch and I think it's the
same with with all the paganism,the different forms of paganism
.
They're not the same as what itwould have been back in the day
(05:57):
and.
I'm kind of fascinated with.
You know, say we're talkingabout where things come from as
a general thing, and I suppose,since I was a kid, someone say
this is that and it's like that.
And I'd be like, oh, why is itlike that, and where did that
come from?
And quite often people are like, oh, just shut up you know, I
(06:20):
don't know.
Or stop asking difficultquestions.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, so many people are.
So they hate challenge.
You know, they hate to bechallenged for their views and I
think it puts some people offand you know, I think that's
really kind of a travestybecause you don't learn from
those things, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, not at all.
Yeah, no not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, but especially when it comes to and you had
mentioned, you know, kind of thetransition of how certain
religions have become, more youknow, either they've adopted
some new views, some differentfeelings about certain things.
I think you would have to dothat as a religion in order to
be able to be, I mean, you'dhave to be with the times, you'd
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have to know that the peoplewho are trying to follow a
religion have to understand it,and if they don't, and it
doesn't adapt to them, then youreally don't have anything.
So whether that's good, bad orindifferent, I don't know, I'm
not a theologian, so whatever istheir thing, but I think if you
don't adapt to it, I mean it'sjust going to probably be one of
(07:26):
those things where it turnsinto an ancient practice that is
no longer used yeah, that canbe the case.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, I think there's two cases there really
either you become likefossilized and sort of like
incredibly authoritarian andtheocratic, and there are
religions like where there's no,there's just total rigidity and
there's no room for change, andyou know.
Or or you're going to go theother way, where it morphs over
(07:53):
time, it's going to adapt, it'sgoing to change.
Obviously, you know, if youdon't have core values, it
remains the same.
Yeah, then it would be a bitridiculous, it'd be a bit of
pathetic religion if it doesn'tstick to its principles.
But you know the practice, the,then it would be a bit
ridiculous, it'd be a bit ofpathetic religion if it doesn't
stick to its principles.
But you know the practice, the,the way it's expressed and
whatever.
You know, people, societieschange, people change and we're,
(08:16):
you know, there's an evolutionin human behavior, consciousness
, social behavior, whatever.
So, of course, yeah, it's boundto happen that religious
practices will, will, it willchange over time.
You know, if, if they'reallowed to, if that's what
people want and they arepermitted to change things a
(08:39):
little bit, then then it willinevitably change yeah,
absolutely, or you get labeled,uh, potentially a heretic, which
kind of rolls really well intowhat we're going to be talking
about today, um.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So let's talk about the book, um, and I'm gonna let
you.
I'm gonna let you go ahead andrun with it, but kind of roughly
, which I can show you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
If you want to have a quick look there, right, let
you go ahead and run with it.
But kind of roughly, which Ican show you.
If you want to have a quicklook, there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I like this.
As you can see, scott here isthe main person in this, but you
know a subtitle Lost Sister ofTutankhamun.
Obviously she is notparticularly well known in that
role and some people might evensay, well, is that the case?
(09:30):
Was she?
Was she Tutankhamun's sister?
And I would say, yeah,absolutely.
But then you know, I've, I've.
Everyone has their own take onthis.
Egyptologists and archaeologistsdisagree about various things
and I suppose it all goes backto Akhenaten, the heretic king,
(09:54):
the monotheist Egyptian pharaoh,and he had six daughters.
So what you can be pretty sureof it's one of these six and, by
process of elimination andvarious bits of evidence, I
think is a really strong case.
It's the oldest daughter, maryTaton, who is a Scotier, and for
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a long time people acceptedthis story as genuine.
For a long time people acceptedthis story as genuine.
And then you got into like the20th century late, very late,
sort of 19th century into 20thcentury and you go, oh no, this
is all a load of rubbish, it'sjust a story, it's just, you
know, mythology.
But then what's happened sincethen is there's been a load of
(10:42):
archaeological evidence, there'sbeen a load of DNA evidence, et
cetera, etc.
Which is ending kind of swungit back the other way.
But go, wait, wait a minute.
This is like really incredible,this evidence and you stack up
all the evidence together of,you know, proof that the
Egyptians did travel a long way,that they made it to the UK,
(11:06):
that their artifacts are inIreland and I think one of the
you know there's various burialswhich show links with the
Egyptian pharaohs.
In fact there's a general DNAlink across Europe which you'll
(11:28):
find is a connection to theEgyptian dynasties and the
strongest you'll find is righton the west I think Spain is
pretty strong and in Ireland andBritain it's like the most
extreme connection.
So that's pretty bizarre.
(11:48):
So I mean, without goingthrough the entire book, I mean
I could list off everything thatpoints towards this.
It's like a detective storywhere you're kind of following
all these clues to point to theend thing, which is this woman
called scottia, who's in allthese stories, is buried in an
(12:12):
obscure part of ireland in thefar west, at the end, the very
beginning of what's called thedingle peninsula, in a bottom of
a mountain range called sleevem.
There's these two graves thereand one is by legend.
They haven't ever exhumed them.
One is her and the one next toit, which is a bit less fancy,
is her horse.
(12:33):
And there was this massivebattle between what's come to be
called the Malaysians, theGaels, against the people who
were already there, who are incharge.
It's the two of the danon, thepeople of dana, the goddess dana
and uh or danu or anu um, andthey actually won that battle
(12:56):
against the you know, the two ofthe danon, and they eventually
kind of beat them all togetherbut she apparently fell from her
horse and died and the horsedied too.
And if you the foothills ofthose mountains where where
she's buried you can see it'snot flat, it's not like super
mountainous, but it's sort ofgetting into the mountainous
(13:19):
terrain and there's rockseverywhere and very undulating
ground.
So I can imagine that you couldeasily uh, be thrown from your
horse, or the horse couldstumble, break a leg or whatever
, and you're like bang, you'redead.
And that happens all the time.
Even today, people have horseaccidents and just I actually
knew someone that she happenedto, that they were killed in a
(13:42):
horse accident really oh, Ididn't really know her really
personally.
But you know, uh, you know, butso just as an example, that this
kind of stuff still happens tothis day, that people are killed
in accidents riding horses, andthat's not in the middle of a
battle, that's just like yeahriding your horse.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know absolutely uneven ground and rocks and
everything.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I could see where that could well happen I'm
curious too because if sheobviously coming from egypt,
unless you go to some of thevery far ends of egypt, they
don't have as much rock.
I mean, obviously, if you'relike in which, which I know is
not Egypt per se, but there aresome places, like I'm trying to
(14:27):
think, where maybe Jordan orsomething like that, where they
have a lot of rock and a lot ofthings like that, but other than
that, I think as far as Egypt'sconcerned, there isn't a ton of
that type of topograph Is thatpart of Ireland, Like I know.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I know certain can be kind of boggy.
The ground can be kind of boggy, area is quite mountainous.
You know, um and she's goingback what you said about egypt,
right, what happened wasarkanaten moved his capital to a
place called uh, it's like thearmana, the area it's called uh,
I think he called the capital,uh, architect anyway.
Um, actually, all around thereon the east coast of east bank
of the nile, uh, it is all rockythere behind.
(15:30):
Behind that there is a big loadof rocks and that's where they
built the tombs and stuff andthey got most of the rock to
build the city from that area.
But you're generally right,there are little bits of pieces
in egypt where there's a bigload of rock and then there's
like just plains and sand andwhatever you know.
But yeah, it's not.
(15:51):
There isn't a vast stretches ofmountain or like uh in egypt.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, it's a very kind of mostly flat, fairly
flat country really, I supposeyeah, unfortunately, my only
experience with egypt was goingthrough the suez canal, and from
that side there is no mountainsanywhere, so that's about the
most I've had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can you see very much on the canal or are you like
too low down to see anything?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
you.
Well, first of all, I was in anaircraft carrier so we could
see everything, um, quite a bitum, and it's everything that
you're, I guess, what youclassically think of seeing
something in Egypt.
You know, very sandy, very,very desert, very arid.
But what's interesting is youdo see, in little spots, green
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things growing, which I thoughtwas just so weird.
But you know, of course, we'renext to water, but I just find
that really interesting that youkind of have that little bit of
like oasis thought to yourselfabout oh wow, you could see
where that would make sense.
But now, for the most part,from what you can see in the
Suez Suez or Suez, however youwant to pronounce it on an
aircraft carrier, which is what?
(16:58):
Nine stories from the waterline, yeah, you could see quite a
bit.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, that would make sense, it's pretty
tall, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
yeah, but it's gorgeous, it's really cool going
through there.
Um, unfortunately, the way Iwent through there, we were kind
of a sitting target, so myunfortunately my view came while
I was holding a weapon, whichis not any way I'd want to visit
a country, but, um, but stillit was.
It was interesting, um, but Iguess, kind of going back to
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this, do you and I again, Iabsolutely don't want you to
give away the farm because Ihave a feeling this is going to
be, uh, something people aregonna want to read right away.
Um, with with that sort ofperson coming to you know
ancient Ireland and that area,what do you think?
(17:49):
Or were there any changes inhow people were?
Maybe did it changearchitecture?
Did it change?
Do you think it changed any waythat the folks that were there
that first got to meet her onthrough history?
Was there any impact to that?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
that were there that first got to meet her on through
history.
Was there any impact to that?
Well, it's really hard to knowbecause, um, for a start, the,
you know the, the gales orgaelic people would have been
considered foreigners themselvesat that time.
They were coming from spain andsort of her entourage and the
people she was with generallyyou know stories called the Sons
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of Mill and another place herhusband's called Geithos,
possibly came from Scythia,which is sort of Ukraine-Russia
area today.
So they, well, it's really hardto know exactly.
They well, it's really hard toknow exactly.
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But, like, it would seem thatshe, she was rescued by somebody
and it's hard to know exactlywho they were.
There's certainly um veryancient letter where somebody
it's because of the way they didtheir names, it's not very
obvious who was writing a womanwho was like, uh, you know, a
pharaoh's wife, uh wrote thisletter asking to be rescued.
(19:15):
And there's this ancient recordwritten in cuneiform, which was
like, you know, that's the uh,sumerian, babylonian script,
which was still in use forinternational stuff.
Like English would be today.
That would be the internationallanguage of the time, right
Before Greek became theinternational language and after
that was Latin and then itbecame, I suppose, probably
(19:37):
Spanish for a little while andthen English.
But in this old tablet she'slike I'm really in trouble, can
someone come rescue me and getme out of here?
You know so, um, there may havebeen more letters like that,
but there's only one that's onrecord.
So she was rescued and fled.
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So the people that she fled with, she, we, we don't know for
sure, but she may have had anentourage with her from egypt
and maybe managed to organizelike a whole bunch of her
supporters and uh, you know, uh,she may have had like a.
I imagine that they had somekind of imperial guard, whatever
(20:21):
.
There would have been servantsetc.
They'd have gone on ships.
Certainly the egyptians hadseagoing ships.
Oh yeah, it could have been thephoenicians or somebody like
that that took her away.
We don't really know for sure,uh, but um, so she would have
arrived with uh into spain withher, this group of people.
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They didn't stay there thatlong, they, they had to leave.
Things didn't go very well inspain and so they ended up
coming to ireland, so theybasically came as an invasion
force.
Now she, her name likereverberates through Irish
history and Scottish history, soshe's an enormous legacy, but
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herself she may have died almostimmediately.
We don't know how long she wasin Ireland before she died.
She could have been here liketwo days.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We don't know exactly how long after they got here
that battle took there wereincursions.
How long after they got herethat battle took, there were
incursions.
There were certainly.
Um, there's a one of the sonsof mill called it, who, um, came
here and then went back tospain and I think when he came
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back he got killed.
Somehow he was the first personto get killed of their party, I
think.
And um, so they, you know,there was a like a exploratory
trip here and then they decidedto come and then they tried to
invade and then they had tofight the uh two of the danum
people and there was this hugething.
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Uh, there's a I don't know ifyou've ever heard of this sort
of druid guy called emergan.
He's like the chief druid guy.
There's this famous poem, thesong of emergan, which is all
about how they managed to.
Essentially, then she did adeal with the three tutu
goddesses of ireland that youknow.
If they promised to sort oflike worship them and remember
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them forever, then they'd beable to come here and to defeat
the two of them and they'd havethe like, the blessings of the
land, blessings of the gods, ifyou will.
So this all happened aroundthat time.
So we it's.
It doesn't tell you exactly thetime frame whether you're
talking about days, weeks or afew months, how long this went
on for, but anyway, in this oneof the early battles she gets
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killed.
Right, she's already got somechildren, but it's not like in
big detail about all that.
But her descendants went on uh,uh, to become like the you know
, the modern irish gales, andthen Her descendants also went
to Scotland and then there's awhole load of mythology around
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that.
That's where Scotland comesfrom.
The name comes from her, fromher name.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I didn't know that.
That's what I?
Yeah, I'd heard that before.
That's cool, that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, and you know, you always wonder.
Oh go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So she may have actually literally been in
Ireland for like a couple ofdays, even actually on the land,
because obviously they spent agood bit of time trying to get
into Ireland and failing andhaving to like retreat in their
boats.
So we don't really know howlong she actually spent in
Ireland, but we do know that shedid come here and that she died
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and was buried here.
But we do know that she didcome here and that she died and
was buried here.
So her personally, how much ofa influence she had, she had on
anything you, you just don'tknow.
I mean, if she was only herefor, say, a week and died, then
it's really more her legacy, hermemory, rather than her
personally that would have had a.
She wouldn't have had much of achance to have any influence on
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anybody.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
If you know, if you arrive in and you're dead in a
week, you know that's not verylong, is it just no, no not at
all what I think's kind of,really, and again, if you
explore more of this in the inthe book, I apologize but okay,
but okay.
So maybe not her, but if herlegacy and her ancestry
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obviously so much that theynamed the entire country of
Scotland, you know just the factthat it's interesting to find
out if there is much Egyptianinfluence in some of the things
that are that are currently inin belief, structure or just in
anything, things that currentIrish, current Scottish folks do
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within relation to Egypt.
I think about just as simple asarchitecture.
Those are the things that,granted, I'm not a student of
this, granted, I'm not a studentof this, but you would think
that the things that typicallyother cultures adapt from
cultures that have come, you seeit a lot in architecture, you
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see it a lot in music, you seeit in the things that are more
expressionary.
So I'm curious just how much ofthat is got some influence
again.
I mean, I I certainly don'tknow, but I just it's amazing to
me, having never heard aboutthis.
In fact, I did not know thatscotland was named after which
(25:37):
makes 100 perfect sense now, butum, but yeah, that's a really
difficult question to answer.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
While you've just said because, like um, if you
think about the more ancientIrish culture, things are
constructed revolves aroundthree and nine, and then you've
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got like, later on you startseeing number four come in, sort
of like theology, and you knowcosmology and metaphysics and I
suppose what you call the occult, now you know.
So this whole thing was calledHermeticism, which in
Hermeticism you've got fourdirections and four elements.
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Okay, that all comes fromancient Egypt.
Okay, that all comes fromancient egypt.
So you could, you could saythat migrated to um, to like
western countries, so graduallythrough various different forms,
you know, through the romansand the greeks and then later on
from the renaissance.
But then there is also a schoolof thought that think that that
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was already introduced toIreland, quite possibly through
the Egyptians, and they seem tobe.
Certainly there were certainlycontacts in places like Gaul
between the Druids and thegreeks and it would seem there
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was a lot of trade between theuh, the eastern mediterranean
and britain and also ireland,mostly for metals really, for
you know, tin and copper, thingslike that, and amber coming all
the way from norway even endsup in like places like Israel
and Egypt.
Oh, absolutely.
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So it's quite possible therewould have been some sort of
cults or religious schools thathave had an influence on Irish
culture.
Because you've got the fourdirections, you've got the
provinces, the five provinceslike compass points, the've got
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the.
You know the provinces, thefive provinces like like compass
points, the one in the middle,um, so we don't really know the
date that this kind ofinformation, this kind of way of
thinking, the fourfold modelinstead of the threefold model
actually hit Ireland.
We don't know when that becamea thing really.
So some people say, oh, it'smedieval, but you know it could
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be much earlier than that.
We really don't know.
The first, when you get intothings being written down in
this of christian period, youknow the christians were already
affected very much by the sortof neoplatonic, hermetic um
model of how things are comingfrom Rome and Greece and Egypt,
where it started.
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So you know, if it got hereearlier by the Egyptians, how
would you possibly know?
You're not going to be able toactually tell.
All I can say is it's possible,but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right, right, that's one of the greatest, know Right,
right, that's one of thegreatest things.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
The great mystery.
Right, the question mark isalways what drives you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's great, aside from the fact that it's just an
amazing accounting, and justhaving that knowledge what kind
of made you want to write thebook?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, it's a whole bunch of things really.
Various people I ran into whohad mentioned Scott here.
And then I remember I readMagnus Magnusson's book about
Scotland it's just calledScotland, actually, I think
which is a massive book and hementions her in that and I
thought, oh yeah, that's reallyinteresting.
And then when I moved to, uh,the Dingle area, which is a long
(29:50):
time ago now god, I can't, thatmust be getting on, for that's
about maybe about 10 years agomore or less um, yeah, there is
mention about this place,scottia's grave and that.
And then she, I got a job inTralee and I the quickest way to
get there was to drive past themonument for Scottier, so I saw
(30:11):
it every single day on the wayto work, you know, okay, yeah,
and I was like oh.
I think maybe I need to go umand visit this place.
Actually, I think I'd alreadybeen there once at that point
and then I thought, gosh, I'd goback again, and you know, for
you know I thought this is veryinteresting.
But then I was sort of I wrotea okay, the guy I co-wrote Kerry
(30:36):
Folk Tales, but he'd written aversion of that story very short
for that book, and I read itand I thought so, yeah, well, I
think I'd like to do my ownversion.
So I did Dinglefolk Pales.
I revisited it and just didanother sort of, you know, the
(30:56):
mythological version from theIrish text.
I kind of just modernized a bit.
And you know, some of these oldbooks they're really tough
going, you know, you get thestory but then there's like 10
pages of like genealogy.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Son of.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Y son of blah blah blah, he did this and did that
and blah, blah, blah, and thenyou've got all this extra stuff
in it that is no relation to thestory and it's like really hard
going.
So you know, you strip out allthat stuff and then reconstruct
the story to tell the same story, but without all the all the
gum for it.
That's really just irrelevant.
(31:34):
So that's what I did with thisin Dinglefolk Tales book and
then I thought, hey, maybe thisjust kept coming up over again
and over with people talkingabout it, or I saw videos coming
up or I thought, right, notmany people have actually done a
real kind of investigation intothis.
(31:55):
There's like only a couple ofpeople that have actually done
like a thorough book about this.
Lorraine Evans had done a bookand an American guy called Ralph
Ellis but I mean mean fair playto him doing this but I thought
his book was so speculative itwas just way, way too much
(32:15):
speculation for my liking.
So I thought, right, I go backand I find all the historical
records from Egypt and I hadhelp with that.
Quite a few archaeologists havehelped me out with some of that
part of it.
Again, in Spain, I had somehelp from people who were
experts in that area and youknow I'm familiar with all the
(32:37):
Irish texts.
I've got all those anyway.
So I just went and looked themall up, all the references there
that I could find, and theScottish stuff you know, got
this, uh, the original Scottishtexts, and just just went
through it like with a finetooth comb, like like you would
be if you were a detective,trying to find out what happened
(32:57):
to somebody all right, and then?
from that.
I just chronologicallyconstructed the whole story,
like going through from herfather through to her death and
then you know, describe a bitabout the legacy she's had, the
effect she's had on modern dayIreland and Scotland as well.
That's like the end of the book.
(33:18):
But, um, most of the book isthat story from her father, what
happened to him and whatcreated a whole situation in the
first place, because you knowhis, his father, arkanatan's
father, was kind of normal, Imean hotep the uh, the um the
third, when arkanatan was firstking or pharaoh, he was
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arkanatan the four, I mean IAmenhotep IV, and then he
changed his name to Akhenatenand because of the Aten, the
Aten is like his god, it's likethe first monotheistic religion,
probably, you know, becauseJudaism was around but like
(34:04):
Judaism didn't have, just likeit had a female and a male God
really originally At that pointmaybe it had become purely just
Yahweh, I'm not really sure.
But because that's changed,judaism's changed an awful lot
from the really early daysthrough to the modern day at
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various points.
So you know at what point itbecame like sort of a more
familiar worship of just Yahweh,because I mean they acknowledge
the existence of Elohim meansthe gods, it doesn't mean one
god.
So they chose Yahweh out ofmany gods to be their god,
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whereas our Canaan decided therewasn't anybody else.
It was just the art, and thatis god and it's like a solar
symbol.
So go into all that in the book, but anyway.
So you've got to bear in mindthere's this whole pantheon of
egyptian gods and the priests ofamun-ra, and they're like the,
the dudes, they're like we're incharge here, and he comes along
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and he says right, okay, you'reall fired.
Good luck, bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I just, you know, just thinking about that,
you know just a little bit ofknowledge that I have versus,
you know, monotheistic thoughtsand polytheistic thoughts.
First of all, they couldn't beany further from being.
You know, there's no normalcybetween that.
So to have those two clashtogether would just well.
(35:36):
That's where wars come from.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's just, yeah, that's wild.
Did you find that kind ofremoving the exposition you know
that you had mentioned, whereyou just kind of go through the
whole genealogical background?
Did you find that kind ofremoving that from there?
Did you?
Were you able to get more kindof more of that real data that
(35:59):
some of the other predecessorsthat you had mentioned?
That didn't get to it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, I think it's just a volume of stuff that I
had looked through.
Really it's not so much the.
If you look at the actualstories, you know I got the same
stuff pretty much as what otherpeople got out of it.
But there's just like morethings that I found that were
kind of reinforcing the story,because a lot of people have
(36:28):
neglected spain in the storybecause of the spanish language.
I had some help and everythingwith that because I can't speak
spanish, but I got a little bitof help and you go oh well,
that's really interesting.
That ties in really well.
And the only person who reallylooked at spain, as far as I can
see, was lorraine evans, andher work's been helpful in that
(36:50):
respect.
And there's a some spanishprofessors that have been like
and a spanish author I know wholives in scotland she's been
called ness bus.
She's been very helpful as well.
So, you know, I I got I pulledin favors from people help in
the areas where I knew I wasweak, that I would struggle with
, with the Egypt stuff andSpanish stuff.
(37:12):
I thought, well, I, you know Ineed to do this right.
I need someone who's moreexpert than that to help me to
get the the right bits and thenI can put it all together.
Yeah, so I pulled from loads ofdifferent strands altogether
and it kind of all these thingsjust reinforce the whole story
(37:35):
really, when you look at it alltogether.
You know the conventional wisdomreally was the Egyptians were
like very advanced, but theydidn't really go anywhere.
They didn't do a whole lot,they just had wars locally and
that was the end of it.
And then eventually they got,you know, taken over by the, the
greeks and then the romans werethere and then that was the end
(37:59):
of it.
It was part of the byzantineempire and then the muslim
empire, and there you go.
But the reality is theyactually did make like
ocean-going vessels and they didgo out of the Mediterranean,
absolutely.
And they did explore places, andso did a lot of the ancient
(38:21):
peoples like the Mycenaeans andthe Phoenicians sailing up into
Northern Europe and down aroundthe coast of Africa and things
like that.
So this stuff is all justignored to a large extent.
(38:41):
It's like I mean I saw adocumentary about the you know
the Chinese fleets oh my gosh,incredible, like the biggest
ships in the world at the time.
You know the Longfork Columbus,much bigger, like six times the
size of Columbus's ships.
They circumnavigated the worldbefore the Europeans did.
(39:05):
That story is just not told.
It's like people they've gotthis really narrow focus.
This is how it is and anythingthat doesn't fit they just
actually literally ignore it.
Oh yeah, Even though there mightbe 100% irrefutable evidence
that X happened, they go oh no,x never happened because it
ruins my theory.
(39:25):
A and B is ruined by theexistence of X, so we're just
going to pretend that neverhappened.
We're going to ignore it.
There's a lot going on withthis story, I think the story of
Scott here, because it's veryinconvenient If it's true.
It really kind of messes up alot of orthodox historical
thinking, you know Right right,and that's OK because that's a
(39:48):
true history.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
My favorite thing here in the States is you know,
we grew up in elementary school.
Christopher Columbus discoveredAmerica right, Our whole
childhood that's what we're told, until we get to college and
then forget everything you weretold.
It's not true.
These people were here before.
These people were here before.
These people were here before.
(40:10):
And these people, I mean it'sjust, it's crazy that they do
that.
I don't understand what thepurpose is.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, there's so much wrong there, because I
watched gray uh graham hancock'sprogram and these guys and they
find his footprints a human'sguy going back about 28 000
years ago and what.
What about the Vikings?
You know Absolutely.
They were there like 400, 500years before the Chinese even,
(40:36):
and they were there beforeColumbus.
Yes, absolutely so, it's like awhole bunch of people that were
there before Columbus, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think a lot of it is what you said.
You know, anytime you kind ofmove and shift paradigm, it
disrupts and people just can'tdeal with that disruption, which
is unfortunate because I thinka lot of stuff gets lost.
Well, in my personal opinionand I've known this for a while
(41:10):
that the egyptian influence canbe kind of traced kind of around
the world of a lot of thingsthat egyptians have have brought
in, and it always makes melaugh.
I'm like okay, well, hold on asecond.
If we're all gonna agree, forjust a second, which I do
believe I don't think the aliensbuilt the pyramids.
I love ufology, I'm a ufo person, but they didn't build the
(41:31):
pyramids, we know that.
So if we're all gonna agreethat the egyptian people built
these amazing pyramids and andbuilt the sphinx and built all
these amazing monuments, thatthey couldn't build a ship, I, I
know I mean call me, call medumb, but you know you would
(41:52):
think, if, if, if these peopleare that good that they I mean,
in fact, they even believe thatthey got some of that stuff
going through the Nile to getsome of that stuff where it
needed to be.
So if, if they can move theseenormous, you know gigantic
blocks they couldn't build.
A ship that could go across thesea is just asinine to me.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, it's whoever's writing the history.
That's, that's what it is.
Whoever has the most power atthe time writes the history and
covers the rest of it up.
That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, unfortunately it's a lot like many areas of of
life where you know there's anorthodoxy that everyone's
supposed to accept and thenwhoever's brave enough to
challenge that is going to getabsolutely slapped down.
You can see it in medicine, allkinds of science, in
archaeology, you know, even inart.
(42:44):
Like some guy comes along andhe ends up chopping off his ear
and he's eating his own paintsand then, like 100 years years
later, he's the most famous,loved artist in the entire world
, absolutely, oh my god, andthat you can buy, like mugs with
sunflowers on and all that.
You know.
(43:04):
I've been to the, to the museumthere in in amsterdam, and it's
absolutely full of people.
It's just totally full ofpeople the whole day, all day
long, every day, all year round.
And yet in his own lifetimeeveryone's going what's this
shit?
This is, this is a load of crap.
He never sold one painting inhis whole life, he was, he was
(43:24):
destined to look at his work andgone.
What do you want?
You must be mad.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, yeah, I mean there was a lot to say about
that and he was so destitutethat you know, of course he
wasn't appreciated in thosetimes.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, that's just a silly example of this way
of looking at things, sure whenyou when you really want to
push the envelope and just gohey, how about doing this
differently and this?
Or maybe we're wrong about thatpeople really resist it, like
the first guy to come up theidea of hygiene.
I forget his name, it's areally long, difficult name.
(44:02):
I think he was hungarian.
He ended up in a mental asylumfor suggesting that people wash
their hands.
Like you know, they told him hewas an idiot and all these
theories were wrong andconvinced him that he was nuts
and he got put in a.
He died in a mental asylum andhe was so right and now he's,
like you know, recognized as apioneer in medicine and hygiene
(44:24):
and all this stuff.
But in his own time they lockedhim up, you know, and he died in
a mental institution.
It's like that's so tragic,like, but you've got the same
thinking.
Obviously there's crazy ideasand like people have got these
mad theories about, you know, oh, the Great Pyramids, a nuclear
reactor or something.
(44:44):
You're like, yeah, that stuff'sall insane, yeah, it is, you
know.
But the whole thing of I thinkit's better to allow people to
be a bit nuts and just put thoseideas out there, even a crazy
run, to just say, no, no one canthink differently, no one can
challenge this, no one candisagree, and you just shut down
(45:05):
straight away.
Obviously, if you apply logic,the more wacko theories you're
going to realize that they don'twork and it's crazy.
But that doesn't mean that youkind of just have to like
blanket ban everything frombeing challenged, which is what
a lot of these people inacademia or whatever on the
mainstream.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
they just shoot down everything well I think, yeah, I
think that uh and I know it'snot just in the States.
I've, you know, been in themilitary.
I've had the luxury of goingall over the world, so it isn't
just an American thought process, but we all seem to suffer from
an all or nothing problem.
So it's either you digest it inwhole and kind of whether it's
(45:51):
through dogmatic thinking thatyou have to accept it all, or
the fact that you can't look atsomething in pieces and realize
okay, I don't know how I'm on,how on board I am with X, but I
can totally back this particularpart, and I think that's that
is one of the fallacies of humanexistence.
You know that.
Okay, granted, we're a showabout paranormal, which has
(46:13):
nothing to do with it.
But you know, I think that'swhere we run into problems,
because in order to have trueinnovation and in order to be
able to do those sort of things,you need to be able to disrupt,
and if you can't disrupt, thenthere is no innovation.
You know, if you are so scaredin your dogmatic ways that if
somebody comes along that hassome kind of different, okay,
(46:36):
we'll even say political wedon't do politics on the show,
but I'm just going to say it,even on a political basis, if
you're not on one side andyou're on another side.
All the great things that haveever happened, even politically,
have happened from people thatare like, okay, this dude might
be nuts, but hang on a second.
Look at X, x and X, that makesperfect sense.
Do people that are like, okay,this dude might be nuts, but
hang on a second.
Look at x, x and x, that makesperfect sense.
Do I buy all these other things?
(46:57):
Certainly not, but can we lookat some of this and adapt to it?
It happens in technology, ithappens in everything that the
true innovators have always beenthe people that are capable of
being able to get outside of thebox and still be able to talk
to the masses yeah, I mean, youmean you look at electricity and
you look at the TV, the radio,all these things, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
you say, well, if you go back far enough and you say,
hey, I've got this idea, I'mgoing to make this little box
and maybe it can have a picturein it of me, and then you can be
somewhere else and this stuffwill fly through the air and go
to the other box and you'll beable to see me.
And they go right, go get thekey and put this guy in the
(47:43):
loony bin and lock him in.
Throw the key away on this guy,right?
You know, that's like john logybaird.
You know scott inventor, hemade the first TV, you know, I
mean, he thought I was going tobe an educational tool.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
It didn't really turn out.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like how he thought it would.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right.
Well, we perverse the crap outof that.
I mean, you know you givehumanity anything that allow
them to sit and do jack shit forhours.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
They're going to pervert it somehow.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
You know they're going to do something to it.
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, but it's just like that's kind of it would
seem like magic to people backin the day and say that's not
possible.
That's not possible.
There's so many things aboutthe world, about existence,
about our own selves even thatwe don't understand.
We're only really getting tounderstand now some of this
(48:42):
stuff about how the mind works,the brain, whatever the sort of
things like ESP et cetera.
which people have been like youeither got to be burned as a
heretic, or you're crazy orwhatever.
And now we see like, oh gosh,both the Russians and Americans
(49:05):
spend like billions oninvestigating all this stuff.
So if I was allowed to hokum,then why would they spend, like
you know, 20 billion oninvestigating remote viewing or
something?
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Oh yeah, minutes air quotes Rubbish.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You know so a lot of this stuff.
They don't want to publiclyadmit about things being
actually the way they are.
They actually do know certainthings are true.
Again, with the art ofarchaeology, these people who
are great authorities, sometimesthey know that something's true
but they're just not going toadmit it because it's not
(49:40):
convenient.
You know if, if it didn't suityour agenda and you thought it
might affect your, your money oryour power or your influence,
you just quietly, just move thatout into the corner where no
(50:00):
one can see it and just hopeeveryone forgets.
And and people do forget aboutstuff.
Actually, it's amazing howquickly, if you just shunt
something into the corner, you,you know, look at Gobleki Tepe.
You know that only really becamea mainstream thing.
Was it in the last five, 10years really?
(50:23):
Yeah, that guy discovered thatlike 1987 or something, I know.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, professor Schmidt, it'slike he's dead now of now, of
course, but like, look how longit took to to make it through to
public consciousness it's onlywhen it's palatable for them at
the time.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
That's all it comes down to yeah, but uh, well,
listen, writing the book.
I'm gonna go back to the bookfor just a second because I
think, honestly, luke, youmyself and nicole could probably
have a show, for you know,years on, all this stuff, that
we feel about this stuff.
But as far as the book itselfwas there kind of obviously, so
we're kind of getting towardsthe end here.
(51:02):
Is there something that youdiscovered kind of in the I
don't know in the journey,because I've often talked to
people.
You know, of course, we talkedto a lot of authors, but we've
talked a lot of authors that saythat writing is cathartic and
it always opens up either newquestions or answers questions.
Was there something from thisparticular book that kind of
(51:22):
gave you that oh shit, or that,oh my gosh?
You know I did not expect that.
Was there anything, or wasthere more than one?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, well, there's a couple of things.
Well, first, there was thewhole thing about the uh, you
know, the voyages because, likeI had, you know, the orthodoxy
was like the egyptians built thefirst like proper boats, but
they only used them to go up anddown the nile, like you said,
and transport stuff.
So the orthodoxy is, oh, theydidn't go out very far, they
(51:51):
were bad sailors and well, Imean, in a military perspective
they weren't really very good,you know, as a Navy.
That's true, but, like you know, merchant shipping and being
like a warship are two differentthings, aren't they, you know?
So you know, you don't have tobe like a brilliant, like I
don't know who's, a brillianttactician on the water, I don't
(52:15):
know, but you wouldn't have tobe like this amazing admiral
type to be able to go off toanother country, for us to be
like Admiral Halsey or somebodylike that.
Yeah, you just need a seagoingvessel.
It doesn't have to be full ofweapons, you're just going off
to get stuff and come back.
Obviously, probably back in theday you'd want to have a few
people with you know some kindof weapons in case you got
(52:36):
attacked.
Yeah, um, but so that was all afallacy, that I used to believe
that orthodoxy.
And then going through all theresearch and the book and you
know, the replicas of theegyptian boats were built in the
late 60s and stuff that's.
That's all detailed in the bookI'm just like, oh, my god, it's
amazing.
(52:57):
So, um, they weren't the onlypeople who were building like
ships that were seagoing, like Isaid before, the mycenians, uh,
and the um, um, oh gosh, theguys from cartage and all that,
what they're called again, um,anyway, I forget the name.
There's a whole bunch ofdifferent peoples from that time
(53:20):
who were building sophisticatedboats and but it was the
egyptians, it seems, that cameup with the first like really
sophisticated boats, and beforethen the mesopotamians were
building boats really kind ofnot very complex ones, but, like
you know, it was the egyptianshave perfected, like the wooden
slatted boats you know that wereplanking.
(53:41):
That was the egyptians thatcome up with all that wow.
So it seems a bit stupid thatit wouldn't bother to go.
Oh, we've just invented thisamazing like new type of boat,
but we won't bother to use it,we'll just go down the Nile,
like you know just look at it,yeah just sit here and look at
our lovely creation.
(54:01):
We won't bother to to goanywhere in it.
You know it's so funny, it'sjust so ridiculous it really is.
It's the other thing I cameacross was something at Scotty's
grave which was, um, when yougo, you just people actually
make a mistake.
Quite often they look at thisbig rock with the drawing right
(54:21):
you know mostly graffiti on it.
Uh, that's where the own symbolwould have been the own writing
, which is gone because probablybeen dissolved by time, um, but
the actual graves are a littlebit further up from this big
rock, which so not everyone goesto the right place.
But in the center there's onecentral rock which is about you
(54:44):
you think in feet, do you feetrather than centimeters?
So it's probably about maybetwo foot by two foot or a little
bit smaller than that maybe.
So in normal weather you can'tsee it, but when it's really
heavy rain, then I've been theremany times and been there in
the pouring rain, really pouringrain you got, oh, what's those
(55:06):
funny marks?
It's got these strange linesand stuff on it and I'm like, oh
, that's really weird.
So I took a bunch of photographsand then you know I've gone
into that in the book, theanalysis of what this is.
This is not random, this isbeing done by somebody.
Somebody has carved these linesand shapes into this rock in
(55:30):
the middle of what's supposed tobe a grave and some people say,
oh no, it's not a grave, it'sjust a bunch of stones and
somebody's putting them therefor no good reason.
So I mean, people tend to notput in loads of effort to like
get a big load of stones and puta big stone in the middle and a
ring around them and thenbother to carve stuff on the
stone for absolutely no reasonat all, like, maybe we're just
(55:53):
like oh, I'm a bit bored today,I'm just going to, let's just do
this, let's just make somerandom thing in the middle of
nowhere.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Especially at that time, because getting rock and
getting all that there at thatparticular time, it's not like
they had an excavator, theycouldn't just put it there.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I mean, the rocks might just be locally gathered
and they may have been hastilydone, but like, obviously it was
done for some reason, just forlike, out of boredom or like you
know.
People actually say peopledon't just do stuff like that
for fanciful reasons.
I mean life was hard, time wasvaluable.
(56:30):
People didn't just do stuff foryou know, in a frivolous way,
like they might do now.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
yeah, exactly yeah, absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
So that was quite shocking and, uh, you know, it
would be good if someone were togo back there and do like
proper analysis with likes of,uh, you know, x-rays or some
other kind of Like.
Lidar.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, like ground penetration.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, that kind of thing, LIDAR, yeah, and maybe
someone should go and dig up thegrave and excavate it properly
and find if there is a bodyunderneath there, because you
know, they have gotTutankhamun's body, they've got
Akhenaten's body, I think theymight even have Nefertiti's body
, they believe.
So now, yes, yeah, and like ifthis, if there's someone buried
(57:19):
there and they can do a dna testand go, this person is directly
related to toon carmoon.
That's toon carmoon's sister,that's arkanartan's daughter,
that's nefertiti's daughter,right, and if they could do that
, they go.
Wow, then this story is 100irrefutably true, that's true so
(57:40):
, but I mean, no one's reallyinterested to go there at the
moment.
It is a difficult place to getto.
It's.
You're going to wallow, gothrough a load of mud and cross
these little tiny bridges whichare just narrow enough for one
person.
Uh, it's not an easy place toget to and, like you really need
some wellington boots becauseyou're big, hiking boots because
(58:01):
you're going to be up to yourears in mud.
You know if you go any othertime that there's not like being
dry for a week or two.
You know it's, it's like pretty, it's.
It's not like a fun walk, it'sa bit tough going.
But when you get there, but Imean so maybe part of it is like
not wanting to have to try andlug all this gear down there and
(58:23):
, you know, have to helicopterin like a load of stuff or
whatever, because it isn'taccessible by car or truck or
anything like that.
So I think that might besomething to do with it as well.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Sure, Maybe your book will inspire a future
archaeologist to want to findout and.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
I would imagine, I would be so happy if, even if
they said I know you're wrong,but it'd be nice to know if I'm.
If I am wrong, well, yeah, yeah, fair play.
You know, I brought, you know,I want to know the truth
regardless of whether it's myversion or someone else's, I'd
like to know is there anyoneburied there and, if so, who are
(59:04):
they?
You know, right exactly yeahthat's amazing.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
That's the challenge prove me wrong exactly.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
I don't mind being wrong, but tell me why yeah
exactly.
Well, luke, listen, uh, I knowthat.
Um, I'm excited, I'm excited toread it, um, and, and I know we
don't know exactly when itcomes out, but when it does,
we'll, we'll, absolutely update.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
It is out in march but, I haven't got the exact
date for you right this moment,sure, so it's sort of like um,
very soon, but uh, yeah, butI'll make sure to let you know
the exact date of publicationanyway yep, and we'll definitely
let everybody know that, um,but other than that, I I, every
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time you come and talk to us.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
It's just, it's amazing so.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
I learned so much.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
I do learn a lot and uh, it was an absolute I really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's been uh, it's as you say here, it's good crack
but I mean obviously that I haveto be careful that word.
It has different meaning,doesn't it?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
well, I mean good crack.
Here in the us can mean a lotof different things, but I get
where you're going yeah, we know, we know the meaning but uh
well, listen.
Thanks again for coming on.
We had a great time and hope toget you back on soon.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me back and
yeah, I really enjoyed it andyeah, yeah, I'd love to come on
again, maybe when I have anotherone.
That would be a little while,though.
It took me three years of workto do this book, you know, jeez.
Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, for little while, though.
It took me three years of workto do this book, you know, jeez
yeah, for sure I, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
So that's a lot of research to do, absolutely, yeah
, well, yeah again.
Thanks, luke, and we'll talk toyou soon.
Okay, thanks a million, bye-bye, bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Thanks, luke, for coming back thank you, luke, it
was good talking to you again itwas a good time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You know, was this show potentially paranormal?
Not in the traditional sense,I'll give you that, um, but the
mystery behind it is veryparanormal, um, if you think
about it just in the sense thatyou know, like he was talking
about them traveling, you know,going on the open sea, which I
clearly believe they do it, theydid yeah, well, a lot of the
(01:01:11):
spiritual ties of egypt kind ofcoincide, I think, with a lot of
like the, the pagan and druidand like I mean all those things
go together so I'm interestedto actually read the book and
see what he actually talks about.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Obviously we couldn't spoil it no you know, we want
everyone to read it and I wantto read it.
So I'm excited to see that, andI had heard previously about
Scotia.
I hadn't.
So it is interesting.
Yeah, it is interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And I think that the namesake of Scotland comes from
that I know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
And from someone that wasn't alive very long, I know
it's so crazy how that stuffhappens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Which again tells me there had to have been a ton of
influence.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, I think there's a lot more than we know.
But, to find the evidence of it.
Like he was saying, it's verydifficult.
But I'm so interested inreading about his research
because he seems to be one ofthe first ones to really dive
into it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, he had mentioned there had been some
others, but he's kind of gottenmore into the weeds so to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, yeah, so very, very cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, listen guys, tell us what you think, check
out the book and, yeah, we'rehappy you joined us and we'll
talk to you next time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah, we'll make sure and put the the links to the
book in the episode notes.
We don't, as of this moment,know what date it's coming out,
but we'll make sure and put allthat on our Facebook page, show
notes and everywhere that weshare the video.
So make sure and click on it.
Buy his book, reach out to him.
He's very, you know, easy totalk to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Super approachable.
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yes, yes.
So reach out with questions,because I'm sure he'd love to
talk to you about them,absolutely so, all right, well
see you next week.
Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
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Stay curious and keep exploringthe unexplained.
Gautier is the main person in this, but you know a
subtitle lost sister ofTutankhamun.
Obviously she is notparticularly well known in that
role and some people might evensay, well, is that the case?
Was she Tutankhamun's sister?
And I would say yeah,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm Logan and I'm Nicole, and this is Generation X
Paranormal.
So today we've got someone thatwe've spoken to before.
We have Luke Eastwood on andwe're really excited to talk to
him.
But what can you tell us aboutLuke?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So Luke was on for our Samhain episode.
It was really great and youshould go back and listen to it
if you haven't.
He had wrote a book about that,but he's back because he's
authored a new book, yeah, yeah,so he is an author.
He's a practicing Druid and helives in Ireland, but we're here
to speak to him today about hisnew book, scotia, the Lost
(01:19):
Sister of Tutankhamun.
Yeah, and I'm a big fan of thatstuff, so I'm super excited to
talk to him about this.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, it's going to be super interesting.
Yeah, can't wait.
Yeah, so let's talk to Luke,let's do it.
Hey, luke, how you doing?
Hi, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, for sure.
No, we're.
We're excited to have you back.
I'll be honest with you.
It was probably really one ofour better received videos in a
while.
Um, for the folks, who don't?
Oh yeah, for folks who don'tknow, we we had luke on uh for
(01:53):
salwin and you know kind ofexplaining the origins of salwin
and and what we call halloween.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Um, but yeah, it wasn't very it was very well
used opportunity to flash mybook up and plug it one more
time.
There you go, there you go,perfect yeah, check it out it's
awesome, there you go, that'swhat it's called.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Absolutely, yeah, we had a blast, um, and I think for
our, our audience, they'realways really intrigued because,
you know, granted, we do have apretty good worldwide audience,
but you know, obviously themajority of it is a pretty good
worldwide audience, but you know, obviously the majority of it
is here in the States, sothey're not always quite as in
tune with.
You know, some of the, some ofthe other views, some of the
(02:34):
other traditions, especiallylike a Druid tradition, they're
not typically that attuned to it, although they celebrate all of
it and they don't realize it.
But true, but but yeah, it wasfantastic and you know we have
you on because obviously you hadasked to come back.
You got a book coming and, yeah, we saw.
(02:56):
I'll be honest, I'm I'm not asfamiliar with it, I know of it
but but it's extremelyinteresting.
But anyway, for those whohaven't listened to the first
episode or watch the firstepisode, uh, if you could kind
of just give us a real quickbreeze over yourself.
So, those who don't know andhaven't watched the other show,
kind of give us a quick, uh,quick little information about
(03:19):
Luke.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay well, yeah, I'm, I guess I'm originally from
North East Scotland and I movedaway when I was a kid down to
England and I lived there till Iwas 29.
I worked in America verybriefly for about six months in
(03:45):
America, went traveling aroundback to London.
I spent 10 years yeah, 10 yearsin London altogether, and then
I moved to Ireland with my thenwife, who's Irish Anyway.
So I've just ended up stayinghere ever since and this is my
home now.
So I've been here for nearly 26years, I think so, when I had
(04:09):
started into this whole druidthing back in london.
But I suppose most of thatlearning process has been here
in ireland.
So you know, uh, that's prettymuch what I'm steeped in in this
Irish version of Neo-Jewishism.
I call it Neo-Jewishism becauseit's like we are different from
(04:33):
the original Druids, of course,because there's this long
period of time and paganism kindof disappeared and reappeared.
So I think it's important todistinguish between the two, you
know, because absolutely it'schanged.
I mean, even christianity haschanged enormously dramatically
(04:53):
yeah, and like judaism's,changed an awful lot from when
it first started various otherreligions.
I actually went to turkey andthere's some really ancient
chapels in this.
I can't remember the placewhere it is now, the name
escapes me but these kind ofstrange volcanic hills and
(05:14):
they're easily carved, so it'ssoft rock.
So they made all these chapelsand buildings in the rock and
some of the earliest Christianchristian churches there where
they painted the ceilings andstuff and you know the
iconography and everything isjust so different from now.
(05:34):
Oh sure you get in a modernchurch, so you know in like
whatever that's there, like 200ad.
So 1800 years later you've gotsomething that's completely and
utterly different from the earlychurch and I think it's the
same with with all the paganism,the different forms of paganism
.
They're not the same as what itwould have been back in the day
(05:57):
and.
I'm kind of fascinated with.
You know, say we're talkingabout where things come from as
a general thing, and I suppose,since I was a kid, someone say
this is that and it's like that.
And I'd be like, oh, why is itlike that, and where did that
come from?
And quite often people are like, oh, just shut up you know, I
(06:20):
don't know.
Or stop asking difficultquestions.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, so many people are.
So they hate challenge.
You know, they hate to bechallenged for their views and I
think it puts some people offand you know, I think that's
really kind of a travestybecause you don't learn from
those things, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, not at all.
Yeah, no not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, but especially when it comes to and you had
mentioned, you know, kind of thetransition of how certain
religions have become, more youknow, either they've adopted
some new views, some differentfeelings about certain things.
I think you would have to dothat as a religion in order to
be able to be, I mean, you'dhave to be with the times, you'd
(07:03):
have to know that the peoplewho are trying to follow a
religion have to understand it,and if they don't, and it
doesn't adapt to them, then youreally don't have anything.
So whether that's good, bad orindifferent, I don't know, I'm
not a theologian, so whatever istheir thing, but I think if you
don't adapt to it, I mean it'sjust going to probably be one of
(07:26):
those things where it turnsinto an ancient practice that is
no longer used yeah, that canbe the case.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I mean, I think there's two cases there really
either you become likefossilized and sort of like
incredibly authoritarian andtheocratic, and there are
religions like where there's no,there's just total rigidity and
there's no room for change, andyou know.
Or or you're going to go theother way, where it morphs over
(07:53):
time, it's going to adapt, it'sgoing to change.
Obviously, you know, if youdon't have core values, it
remains the same.
Yeah, then it would be a bitridiculous, it'd be a bit of
pathetic religion if it doesn'tstick to its principles.
But you know the practice, the,then it would be a bit
ridiculous, it'd be a bit ofpathetic religion if it doesn't
stick to its principles.
But you know the practice, the,the way it's expressed and
whatever.
You know, people, societieschange, people change and we're,
(08:16):
you know, there's an evolutionin human behavior, consciousness
, social behavior, whatever.
So, of course, yeah, it's boundto happen that religious
practices will, will, it willchange over time.
You know, if, if they'reallowed to, if that's what
people want and they arepermitted to change things a
(08:39):
little bit, then then it willinevitably change yeah,
absolutely, or you get labeled,uh, potentially a heretic, which
kind of rolls really well intowhat we're going to be talking
about today, um.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So let's talk about the book, um, and I'm gonna let
you.
I'm gonna let you go ahead andrun with it, but kind of roughly
, which I can show you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
If you want to have a quick look there, right, let
you go ahead and run with it.
But kind of roughly, which Ican show you.
If you want to have a quicklook, there you go.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I like this.
As you can see, scott here isthe main person in this, but you
know a subtitle Lost Sister ofTutankhamun.
Obviously she is notparticularly well known in that
role and some people might evensay, well, is that the case?
(09:30):
Was she?
Was she Tutankhamun's sister?
And I would say, yeah,absolutely.
But then you know, I've, I've.
Everyone has their own take onthis.
Egyptologists and archaeologistsdisagree about various things
and I suppose it all goes backto Akhenaten, the heretic king,
(09:54):
the monotheist Egyptian pharaoh,and he had six daughters.
So what you can be pretty sureof it's one of these six and, by
process of elimination andvarious bits of evidence, I
think is a really strong case.
It's the oldest daughter, maryTaton, who is a Scotier, and for
(10:20):
a long time people acceptedthis story as genuine.
For a long time people acceptedthis story as genuine.
And then you got into like the20th century late, very late,
sort of 19th century into 20thcentury and you go, oh no, this
is all a load of rubbish, it'sjust a story, it's just, you
know, mythology.
But then what's happened sincethen is there's been a load of
(10:42):
archaeological evidence, there'sbeen a load of DNA evidence, et
cetera, etc.
Which is ending kind of swungit back the other way.
But go, wait, wait a minute.
This is like really incredible,this evidence and you stack up
all the evidence together of,you know, proof that the
Egyptians did travel a long way,that they made it to the UK,
(11:06):
that their artifacts are inIreland and I think one of the
you know there's various burialswhich show links with the
Egyptian pharaohs.
In fact there's a general DNAlink across Europe which you'll
(11:28):
find is a connection to theEgyptian dynasties and the
strongest you'll find is righton the west I think Spain is
pretty strong and in Ireland andBritain it's like the most
extreme connection.
So that's pretty bizarre.
(11:48):
So I mean, without goingthrough the entire book, I mean
I could list off everything thatpoints towards this.
It's like a detective storywhere you're kind of following
all these clues to point to theend thing, which is this woman
called scottia, who's in allthese stories, is buried in an
(12:12):
obscure part of ireland in thefar west, at the end, the very
beginning of what's called thedingle peninsula, in a bottom of
a mountain range called sleevem.
There's these two graves thereand one is by legend.
They haven't ever exhumed them.
One is her and the one next toit, which is a bit less fancy,
is her horse.
(12:33):
And there was this massivebattle between what's come to be
called the Malaysians, theGaels, against the people who
were already there, who are incharge.
It's the two of the danon, thepeople of dana, the goddess dana
and uh or danu or anu um, andthey actually won that battle
(12:56):
against the you know, the two ofthe danon, and they eventually
kind of beat them all togetherbut she apparently fell from her
horse and died and the horsedied too.
And if you the foothills ofthose mountains where where
she's buried you can see it'snot flat, it's not like super
mountainous, but it's sort ofgetting into the mountainous
(13:19):
terrain and there's rockseverywhere and very undulating
ground.
So I can imagine that you couldeasily uh, be thrown from your
horse, or the horse couldstumble, break a leg or whatever
, and you're like bang, you'redead.
And that happens all the time.
Even today, people have horseaccidents and just I actually
knew someone that she happenedto, that they were killed in a
(13:42):
horse accident really oh, Ididn't really know her really
personally.
But you know, uh, you know, butso just as an example, that this
kind of stuff still happens tothis day, that people are killed
in accidents riding horses, andthat's not in the middle of a
battle, that's just like yeahriding your horse.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know absolutely uneven ground and rocks and
everything.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I could see where that could well happen I'm
curious too because if sheobviously coming from egypt,
unless you go to some of thevery far ends of egypt, they
don't have as much rock.
I mean, obviously, if you'relike in which, which I know is
not Egypt per se, but there aresome places, like I'm trying to
(14:27):
think, where maybe Jordan orsomething like that, where they
have a lot of rock and a lot ofthings like that, but other than
that, I think as far as Egypt'sconcerned, there isn't a ton of
that type of topograph Is thatpart of Ireland, Like I know.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I know certain can be kind of boggy.
The ground can be kind of boggy, area is quite mountainous.
You know, um and she's goingback what you said about egypt,
right, what happened wasarkanaten moved his capital to a
place called uh, it's like thearmana, the area it's called uh,
I think he called the capital,uh, architect anyway.
Um, actually, all around thereon the east coast of east bank
of the nile, uh, it is all rockythere behind.
(15:30):
Behind that there is a big loadof rocks and that's where they
built the tombs and stuff andthey got most of the rock to
build the city from that area.
But you're generally right,there are little bits of pieces
in egypt where there's a bigload of rock and then there's
like just plains and sand andwhatever you know.
But yeah, it's not.
(15:51):
There isn't a vast stretches ofmountain or like uh in egypt.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, it's a very kind of mostly flat, fairly
flat country really, I supposeyeah, unfortunately, my only
experience with egypt was goingthrough the suez canal, and from
that side there is no mountainsanywhere, so that's about the
most I've had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Can you see very much on the canal or are you like
too low down to see anything?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
you.
Well, first of all, I was in anaircraft carrier so we could
see everything, um, quite a bitum, and it's everything that
you're, I guess, what youclassically think of seeing
something in Egypt.
You know, very sandy, very,very desert, very arid.
But what's interesting is youdo see, in little spots, green
(16:37):
things growing, which I thoughtwas just so weird.
But you know, of course, we'renext to water, but I just find
that really interesting that youkind of have that little bit of
like oasis thought to yourselfabout oh wow, you could see
where that would make sense.
But now, for the most part,from what you can see in the
Suez Suez or Suez, however youwant to pronounce it on an
aircraft carrier, which is what?
(16:58):
Nine stories from the waterline, yeah, you could see quite a
bit.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, that would make sense, it's pretty
tall, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
yeah, but it's gorgeous, it's really cool going
through there.
Um, unfortunately, the way Iwent through there, we were kind
of a sitting target, so myunfortunately my view came while
I was holding a weapon, whichis not any way I'd want to visit
a country, but, um, but stillit was.
It was interesting, um, but Iguess, kind of going back to
(17:29):
this, do you and I again, Iabsolutely don't want you to
give away the farm because Ihave a feeling this is going to
be, uh, something people aregonna want to read right away.
Um, with with that sort ofperson coming to you know
ancient Ireland and that area,what do you think?
(17:49):
Or were there any changes inhow people were?
Maybe did it changearchitecture?
Did it change?
Do you think it changed any waythat the folks that were there
that first got to meet her onthrough history?
Was there any impact to that?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
that were there that first got to meet her on through
history.
Was there any impact to that?
Well, it's really hard to knowbecause, um, for a start, the,
you know the, the gales orgaelic people would have been
considered foreigners themselvesat that time.
They were coming from spain andsort of her entourage and the
people she was with generallyyou know stories called the Sons
(18:30):
of Mill and another place herhusband's called Geithos,
possibly came from Scythia,which is sort of Ukraine-Russia
area today.
So they, well, it's really hardto know exactly.
They well, it's really hard toknow exactly.
(18:52):
But, like, it would seem thatshe, she was rescued by somebody
and it's hard to know exactlywho they were.
There's certainly um veryancient letter where somebody
it's because of the way they didtheir names, it's not very
obvious who was writing a womanwho was like, uh, you know, a
pharaoh's wife, uh wrote thisletter asking to be rescued.
(19:15):
And there's this ancient recordwritten in cuneiform, which was
like, you know, that's the uh,sumerian, babylonian script,
which was still in use forinternational stuff.
Like English would be today.
That would be the internationallanguage of the time, right
Before Greek became theinternational language and after
that was Latin and then itbecame, I suppose, probably
(19:37):
Spanish for a little while andthen English.
But in this old tablet she'slike I'm really in trouble, can
someone come rescue me and getme out of here?
You know so, um, there may havebeen more letters like that,
but there's only one that's onrecord.
So she was rescued and fled.
(20:00):
So the people that she fled with, she, we, we don't know for
sure, but she may have had anentourage with her from egypt
and maybe managed to organizelike a whole bunch of her
supporters and uh, you know, uh,she may have had like a.
I imagine that they had somekind of imperial guard, whatever
(20:21):
.
There would have been servantsetc.
They'd have gone on ships.
Certainly the egyptians hadseagoing ships.
Oh yeah, it could have been thephoenicians or somebody like
that that took her away.
We don't really know for sure,uh, but um, so she would have
arrived with uh into spain withher, this group of people.
(20:45):
They didn't stay there thatlong, they, they had to leave.
Things didn't go very well inspain and so they ended up
coming to ireland, so theybasically came as an invasion
force.
Now she, her name likereverberates through Irish
history and Scottish history, soshe's an enormous legacy, but
(21:08):
herself she may have died almostimmediately.
We don't know how long she wasin Ireland before she died.
She could have been here liketwo days.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
We don't know exactly how long after they got here
that battle took there wereincursions.
How long after they got herethat battle took, there were
incursions.
There were certainly.
Um, there's a one of the sonsof mill called it, who, um, came
here and then went back tospain and I think when he came
(21:39):
back he got killed.
Somehow he was the first personto get killed of their party, I
think.
And um, so they, you know,there was a like a exploratory
trip here and then they decidedto come and then they tried to
invade and then they had tofight the uh two of the danum
people and there was this hugething.
(22:00):
Uh, there's a I don't know ifyou've ever heard of this sort
of druid guy called emergan.
He's like the chief druid guy.
There's this famous poem, thesong of emergan, which is all
about how they managed to.
Essentially, then she did adeal with the three tutu
goddesses of ireland that youknow.
If they promised to sort oflike worship them and remember
(22:22):
them forever, then they'd beable to come here and to defeat
the two of them and they'd havethe like, the blessings of the
land, blessings of the gods, ifyou will.
So this all happened aroundthat time.
So we it's.
It doesn't tell you exactly thetime frame whether you're
talking about days, weeks or afew months, how long this went
on for, but anyway, in this oneof the early battles she gets
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killed.
Right, she's already got somechildren, but it's not like in
big detail about all that.
But her descendants went on uh,uh, to become like the you know
, the modern irish gales, andthen Her descendants also went
to Scotland and then there's awhole load of mythology around
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that.
That's where Scotland comesfrom.
The name comes from her, fromher name.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I didn't know that.
That's what I?
Yeah, I'd heard that before.
That's cool, that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, and you know, you always wonder.
Oh go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So she may have actually literally been in
Ireland for like a couple ofdays, even actually on the land,
because obviously they spent agood bit of time trying to get
into Ireland and failing andhaving to like retreat in their
boats.
So we don't really know howlong she actually spent in
Ireland, but we do know that shedid come here and that she died
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and was buried here.
But we do know that she didcome here and that she died and
was buried here.
So her personally, how much ofa influence she had, she had on
anything you, you just don'tknow.
I mean, if she was only herefor, say, a week and died, then
it's really more her legacy, hermemory, rather than her
personally that would have had a.
She wouldn't have had much of achance to have any influence on
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anybody.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
If you know, if you arrive in and you're dead in a
week, you know that's not verylong, is it just no, no not at
all what I think's kind of,really, and again, if you
explore more of this in the inthe book, I apologize but okay,
but okay.
So maybe not her, but if herlegacy and her ancestry
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obviously so much that theynamed the entire country of
Scotland, you know just the factthat it's interesting to find
out if there is much Egyptianinfluence in some of the things
that are that are currently inin belief, structure or just in
anything, things that currentIrish, current Scottish folks do
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within relation to Egypt.
I think about just as simple asarchitecture.
Those are the things that,granted, I'm not a student of
this, granted, I'm not a studentof this, but you would think
that the things that typicallyother cultures adapt from
cultures that have come, you seeit a lot in architecture, you
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see it a lot in music, you seeit in the things that are more
expressionary.
So I'm curious just how much ofthat is got some influence
again.
I mean, I I certainly don'tknow, but I just it's amazing to
me, having never heard aboutthis.
In fact, I did not know thatscotland was named after which
(25:37):
makes 100 perfect sense now, butum, but yeah, that's a really
difficult question to answer.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
While you've just said because, like um, if you
think about the more ancientIrish culture, things are
constructed revolves aroundthree and nine, and then you've
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got like, later on you startseeing number four come in, sort
of like theology, and you knowcosmology and metaphysics and I
suppose what you call the occult, now you know.
So this whole thing was calledHermeticism, which in
Hermeticism you've got fourdirections and four elements.
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Okay, that all comes fromancient Egypt.
Okay, that all comes fromancient egypt.
So you could, you could saythat migrated to um, to like
western countries, so graduallythrough various different forms,
you know, through the romansand the greeks and then later on
from the renaissance.
But then there is also a schoolof thought that think that that
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was already introduced toIreland, quite possibly through
the Egyptians, and they seem tobe.
Certainly there were certainlycontacts in places like Gaul
between the Druids and thegreeks and it would seem there
(27:27):
was a lot of trade between theuh, the eastern mediterranean
and britain and also ireland,mostly for metals really, for
you know, tin and copper, thingslike that, and amber coming all
the way from norway even endsup in like places like Israel
and Egypt.
Oh, absolutely.
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So it's quite possible therewould have been some sort of
cults or religious schools thathave had an influence on Irish
culture.
Because you've got the fourdirections, you've got the
provinces, the five provinceslike compass points, the've got
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the.
You know the provinces, thefive provinces like like compass
points, the one in the middle,um, so we don't really know the
date that this kind ofinformation, this kind of way of
thinking, the fourfold modelinstead of the threefold model
actually hit Ireland.
We don't know when that becamea thing really.
So some people say, oh, it'smedieval, but you know it could
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be much earlier than that.
We really don't know.
The first, when you get intothings being written down in
this of christian period, youknow the christians were already
affected very much by the sortof neoplatonic, hermetic um
model of how things are comingfrom Rome and Greece and Egypt,
where it started.
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So you know, if it got hereearlier by the Egyptians, how
would you possibly know?
You're not going to be able toactually tell.
All I can say is it's possible,but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right, right, that's one of the greatest, know Right,
right, that's one of thegreatest things.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
The great mystery.
Right, the question mark isalways what drives you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's great, aside from the fact that it's just an
amazing accounting, and justhaving that knowledge what kind
of made you want to write thebook?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, it's a whole bunch of things really.
Various people I ran into whohad mentioned Scott here.
And then I remember I readMagnus Magnusson's book about
Scotland it's just calledScotland, actually, I think
which is a massive book and hementions her in that and I
thought, oh yeah, that's reallyinteresting.
And then when I moved to, uh,the Dingle area, which is a long
(29:50):
time ago now god, I can't, thatmust be getting on, for that's
about maybe about 10 years agomore or less um, yeah, there is
mention about this place,scottia's grave and that.
And then she, I got a job inTralee and I the quickest way to
get there was to drive past themonument for Scottier, so I saw
(30:11):
it every single day on the wayto work, you know, okay, yeah,
and I was like oh.
I think maybe I need to go umand visit this place.
Actually, I think I'd alreadybeen there once at that point
and then I thought, gosh, I'd goback again, and you know, for
you know I thought this is veryinteresting.
But then I was sort of I wrotea okay, the guy I co-wrote Kerry
(30:36):
Folk Tales, but he'd written aversion of that story very short
for that book, and I read itand I thought so, yeah, well, I
think I'd like to do my ownversion.
So I did Dinglefolk Pales.
I revisited it and just didanother sort of, you know, the
(30:56):
mythological version from theIrish text.
I kind of just modernized a bit.
And you know, some of these oldbooks they're really tough
going, you know, you get thestory but then there's like 10
pages of like genealogy.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Son of.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Y son of blah blah blah, he did this and did that
and blah, blah, blah, and thenyou've got all this extra stuff
in it that is no relation to thestory and it's like really hard
going.
So you know, you strip out allthat stuff and then reconstruct
the story to tell the same story, but without all the all the
gum for it.
That's really just irrelevant.
(31:34):
So that's what I did with thisin Dinglefolk Tales book and
then I thought, hey, maybe thisjust kept coming up over again
and over with people talkingabout it, or I saw videos coming
up or I thought, right, notmany people have actually done a
real kind of investigation intothis.
(31:55):
There's like only a couple ofpeople that have actually done
like a thorough book about this.
Lorraine Evans had done a bookand an American guy called Ralph
Ellis but I mean mean fair playto him doing this but I thought
his book was so speculative itwas just way, way too much
(32:15):
speculation for my liking.
So I thought, right, I go backand I find all the historical
records from Egypt and I hadhelp with that.
Quite a few archaeologists havehelped me out with some of that
part of it.
Again, in Spain, I had somehelp from people who were
experts in that area and youknow I'm familiar with all the
(32:37):
Irish texts.
I've got all those anyway.
So I just went and looked themall up, all the references there
that I could find, and theScottish stuff you know, got
this, uh, the original Scottishtexts, and just just went
through it like with a finetooth comb, like like you would
be if you were a detective,trying to find out what happened
(32:57):
to somebody all right, and then?
from that.
I just chronologicallyconstructed the whole story,
like going through from herfather through to her death and
then you know, describe a bitabout the legacy she's had, the
effect she's had on modern dayIreland and Scotland as well.
That's like the end of the book.
(33:18):
But, um, most of the book isthat story from her father, what
happened to him and whatcreated a whole situation in the
first place, because you knowhis, his father, arkanatan's
father, was kind of normal, Imean hotep the uh, the um the
third, when arkanatan was firstking or pharaoh, he was
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arkanatan the four, I mean IAmenhotep IV, and then he
changed his name to Akhenatenand because of the Aten, the
Aten is like his god, it's likethe first monotheistic religion,
probably, you know, becauseJudaism was around but like
(34:04):
Judaism didn't have, just likeit had a female and a male God
really originally At that pointmaybe it had become purely just
Yahweh, I'm not really sure.
But because that's changed,judaism's changed an awful lot
from the really early daysthrough to the modern day at
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various points.
So you know at what point itbecame like sort of a more
familiar worship of just Yahweh,because I mean they acknowledge
the existence of Elohim meansthe gods, it doesn't mean one
god.
So they chose Yahweh out ofmany gods to be their god,
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whereas our Canaan decided therewasn't anybody else.
It was just the art, and thatis god and it's like a solar
symbol.
So go into all that in the book, but anyway.
So you've got to bear in mindthere's this whole pantheon of
egyptian gods and the priests ofamun-ra, and they're like the,
the dudes, they're like we're incharge here, and he comes along
(35:07):
and he says right, okay, you'reall fired.
Good luck, bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I just, you know, just thinking about that,
you know just a little bit ofknowledge that I have versus,
you know, monotheistic thoughtsand polytheistic thoughts.
First of all, they couldn't beany further from being.
You know, there's no normalcybetween that.
So to have those two clashtogether would just well.
(35:36):
That's where wars come from.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's just, yeah, that's wild.
Did you find that kind ofremoving the exposition you know
that you had mentioned, whereyou just kind of go through the
whole genealogical background?
Did you find that kind ofremoving that from there?
Did you?
Were you able to get more kindof more of that real data that
(35:59):
some of the other predecessorsthat you had mentioned?
That didn't get to it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, I think it's just a volume of stuff that I
had looked through.
Really it's not so much the.
If you look at the actualstories, you know I got the same
stuff pretty much as what otherpeople got out of it.
But there's just like morethings that I found that were
kind of reinforcing the story,because a lot of people have
(36:28):
neglected spain in the storybecause of the spanish language.
I had some help and everythingwith that because I can't speak
spanish, but I got a little bitof help and you go oh well,
that's really interesting.
That ties in really well.
And the only person who reallylooked at spain, as far as I can
see, was lorraine evans, andher work's been helpful in that
(36:50):
respect.
And there's a some spanishprofessors that have been like
and a spanish author I know wholives in scotland she's been
called ness bus.
She's been very helpful as well.
So, you know, I I got I pulledin favors from people help in
the areas where I knew I wasweak, that I would struggle with
, with the Egypt stuff andSpanish stuff.
(37:12):
I thought, well, I, you know Ineed to do this right.
I need someone who's moreexpert than that to help me to
get the the right bits and thenI can put it all together.
Yeah, so I pulled from loads ofdifferent strands altogether
and it kind of all these thingsjust reinforce the whole story
(37:35):
really, when you look at it alltogether.
You know the conventional wisdomreally was the Egyptians were
like very advanced, but theydidn't really go anywhere.
They didn't do a whole lot,they just had wars locally and
that was the end of it.
And then eventually they got,you know, taken over by the, the
greeks and then the romans werethere and then that was the end
(37:59):
of it.
It was part of the byzantineempire and then the muslim
empire, and there you go.
But the reality is theyactually did make like
ocean-going vessels and they didgo out of the Mediterranean,
absolutely.
And they did explore places, andso did a lot of the ancient
(38:21):
peoples like the Mycenaeans andthe Phoenicians sailing up into
Northern Europe and down aroundthe coast of Africa and things
like that.
So this stuff is all justignored to a large extent.
(38:41):
It's like I mean I saw adocumentary about the you know
the Chinese fleets oh my gosh,incredible, like the biggest
ships in the world at the time.
You know the Longfork Columbus,much bigger, like six times the
size of Columbus's ships.
They circumnavigated the worldbefore the Europeans did.
(39:05):
That story is just not told.
It's like people they've gotthis really narrow focus.
This is how it is and anythingthat doesn't fit they just
actually literally ignore it.
Oh yeah, Even though there mightbe 100% irrefutable evidence
that X happened, they go oh no,x never happened because it
ruins my theory.
(39:25):
A and B is ruined by theexistence of X, so we're just
going to pretend that neverhappened.
We're going to ignore it.
There's a lot going on withthis story, I think the story of
Scott here, because it's veryinconvenient If it's true.
It really kind of messes up alot of orthodox historical
thinking, you know Right right,and that's OK because that's a
(39:48):
true history.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
My favorite thing here in the States is you know,
we grew up in elementary school.
Christopher Columbus discoveredAmerica right, Our whole
childhood that's what we're told, until we get to college and
then forget everything you weretold.
It's not true.
These people were here before.
These people were here before.
These people were here before.
(40:10):
And these people, I mean it'sjust, it's crazy that they do
that.
I don't understand what thepurpose is.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I mean, there's so much wrong there, because I
watched gray uh graham hancock'sprogram and these guys and they
find his footprints a human'sguy going back about 28 000
years ago and what.
What about the Vikings?
You know Absolutely.
They were there like 400, 500years before the Chinese even,
(40:36):
and they were there beforeColumbus.
Yes, absolutely so, it's like awhole bunch of people that were
there before Columbus, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think a lot of it is what you said.
You know, anytime you kind ofmove and shift paradigm, it
disrupts and people just can'tdeal with that disruption, which
is unfortunate because I thinka lot of stuff gets lost.
Well, in my personal opinionand I've known this for a while
(41:10):
that the egyptian influence canbe kind of traced kind of around
the world of a lot of thingsthat egyptians have have brought
in, and it always makes melaugh.
I'm like okay, well, hold on asecond.
If we're all gonna agree, forjust a second, which I do
believe I don't think the aliensbuilt the pyramids.
I love ufology, I'm a ufo person, but they didn't build the
(41:31):
pyramids, we know that.
So if we're all gonna agreethat the egyptian people built
these amazing pyramids and andbuilt the sphinx and built all
these amazing monuments, thatthey couldn't build a ship, I, I
know I mean call me, call medumb, but you know you would
(41:52):
think, if, if, if these peopleare that good that they I mean,
in fact, they even believe thatthey got some of that stuff
going through the Nile to getsome of that stuff where it
needed to be.
So if, if they can move theseenormous, you know gigantic
blocks they couldn't build.
A ship that could go across thesea is just asinine to me.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, it's whoever's writing the history.
That's, that's what it is.
Whoever has the most power atthe time writes the history and
covers the rest of it up.
That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, unfortunately it's a lot like many areas of of
life where you know there's anorthodoxy that everyone's
supposed to accept and thenwhoever's brave enough to
challenge that is going to getabsolutely slapped down.
You can see it in medicine, allkinds of science, in
archaeology, you know, even inart.
(42:44):
Like some guy comes along andhe ends up chopping off his ear
and he's eating his own paintsand then, like 100 years years
later, he's the most famous,loved artist in the entire world
, absolutely, oh my god, andthat you can buy, like mugs with
sunflowers on and all that.
You know.
(43:04):
I've been to the, to the museumthere in in amsterdam, and it's
absolutely full of people.
It's just totally full ofpeople the whole day, all day
long, every day, all year round.
And yet in his own lifetimeeveryone's going what's this
shit?
This is, this is a load of crap.
He never sold one painting inhis whole life, he was, he was
(43:24):
destined to look at his work andgone.
What do you want?
You must be mad.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well, yeah, I mean there was a lot to say about
that and he was so destitutethat you know, of course he
wasn't appreciated in thosetimes.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I mean, that's just a silly example of this way
of looking at things, sure whenyou when you really want to
push the envelope and just gohey, how about doing this
differently and this?
Or maybe we're wrong about thatpeople really resist it, like
the first guy to come up theidea of hygiene.
I forget his name, it's areally long, difficult name.
(44:02):
I think he was hungarian.
He ended up in a mental asylumfor suggesting that people wash
their hands.
Like you know, they told him hewas an idiot and all these
theories were wrong andconvinced him that he was nuts
and he got put in a.
He died in a mental asylum andhe was so right and now he's,
like you know, recognized as apioneer in medicine and hygiene
(44:24):
and all this stuff.
But in his own time they lockedhim up, you know, and he died in
a mental institution.
It's like that's so tragic,like, but you've got the same
thinking.
Obviously there's crazy ideasand like people have got these
mad theories about, you know, oh, the Great Pyramids, a nuclear
reactor or something.
(44:44):
You're like, yeah, that stuff'sall insane, yeah, it is, you
know.
But the whole thing of I thinkit's better to allow people to
be a bit nuts and just put thoseideas out there, even a crazy
run, to just say, no, no one canthink differently, no one can
challenge this, no one candisagree, and you just shut down
(45:05):
straight away.
Obviously, if you apply logic,the more wacko theories you're
going to realize that they don'twork and it's crazy.
But that doesn't mean that youkind of just have to like
blanket ban everything frombeing challenged, which is what
a lot of these people inacademia or whatever on the
mainstream.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
they just shoot down everything well I think, yeah, I
think that uh and I know it'snot just in the States.
I've, you know, been in themilitary.
I've had the luxury of goingall over the world, so it isn't
just an American thought process, but we all seem to suffer from
an all or nothing problem.
So it's either you digest it inwhole and kind of whether it's
(45:51):
through dogmatic thinking thatyou have to accept it all, or
the fact that you can't look atsomething in pieces and realize
okay, I don't know how I'm on,how on board I am with X, but I
can totally back this particularpart, and I think that's that
is one of the fallacies of humanexistence.
You know that.
Okay, granted, we're a showabout paranormal, which has
(46:13):
nothing to do with it.
But you know, I think that'swhere we run into problems,
because in order to have trueinnovation and in order to be
able to do those sort of things,you need to be able to disrupt,
and if you can't disrupt, thenthere is no innovation.
You know, if you are so scaredin your dogmatic ways that if
somebody comes along that hassome kind of different, okay,
(46:36):
we'll even say political wedon't do politics on the show,
but I'm just going to say it,even on a political basis, if
you're not on one side andyou're on another side.
All the great things that haveever happened, even politically,
have happened from people thatare like, okay, this dude might
be nuts, but hang on a second.
Look at X, x and X, that makesperfect sense.
Do people that are like, okay,this dude might be nuts, but
hang on a second.
Look at x, x and x, that makesperfect sense.
Do I buy all these other things?
(46:57):
Certainly not, but can we lookat some of this and adapt to it?
It happens in technology, ithappens in everything that the
true innovators have always beenthe people that are capable of
being able to get outside of thebox and still be able to talk
to the masses yeah, I mean, youmean you look at electricity and
you look at the TV, the radio,all these things, you know.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
you say, well, if you go back far enough and you say,
hey, I've got this idea, I'mgoing to make this little box
and maybe it can have a picturein it of me, and then you can be
somewhere else and this stuffwill fly through the air and go
to the other box and you'll beable to see me.
And they go right, go get thekey and put this guy in the
(47:43):
loony bin and lock him in.
Throw the key away on this guy,right?
You know, that's like john logybaird.
You know scott inventor, hemade the first TV, you know, I
mean, he thought I was going tobe an educational tool.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
It didn't really turn out.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Like how he thought it would.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right.
Well, we perverse the crap outof that.
I mean, you know you givehumanity anything that allow
them to sit and do jack shit forhours.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
They're going to pervert it somehow.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
You know they're going to do something to it.
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, but it's just like that's kind of it would
seem like magic to people backin the day and say that's not
possible.
That's not possible.
There's so many things aboutthe world, about existence,
about our own selves even thatwe don't understand.
We're only really getting tounderstand now some of this
(48:42):
stuff about how the mind works,the brain, whatever the sort of
things like ESP et cetera.
which people have been like youeither got to be burned as a
heretic, or you're crazy orwhatever.
And now we see like, oh gosh,both the Russians and Americans
(49:05):
spend like billions oninvestigating all this stuff.
So if I was allowed to hokum,then why would they spend, like
you know, 20 billion oninvestigating remote viewing or
something?
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Oh yeah, minutes air quotes Rubbish.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
You know so a lot of this stuff.
They don't want to publiclyadmit about things being
actually the way they are.
They actually do know certainthings are true.
Again, with the art ofarchaeology, these people who
are great authorities, sometimesthey know that something's true
but they're just not going toadmit it because it's not
(49:40):
convenient.
You know if, if it didn't suityour agenda and you thought it
might affect your, your money oryour power or your influence,
you just quietly, just move thatout into the corner where no
(50:00):
one can see it and just hopeeveryone forgets.
And and people do forget aboutstuff.
Actually, it's amazing howquickly, if you just shunt
something into the corner, you,you know, look at Gobleki Tepe.
You know that only really becamea mainstream thing.
Was it in the last five, 10years really?
(50:23):
Yeah, that guy discovered thatlike 1987 or something, I know.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, professor Schmidt, it'slike he's dead now of now, of
course, but like, look how longit took to to make it through to
public consciousness it's onlywhen it's palatable for them at
the time.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
That's all it comes down to yeah, but uh, well,
listen, writing the book.
I'm gonna go back to the bookfor just a second because I
think, honestly, luke, youmyself and nicole could probably
have a show, for you know,years on, all this stuff, that
we feel about this stuff.
But as far as the book itselfwas there kind of obviously, so
we're kind of getting towardsthe end here.
(51:02):
Is there something that youdiscovered kind of in the I
don't know in the journey,because I've often talked to
people.
You know, of course, we talkedto a lot of authors, but we've
talked a lot of authors that saythat writing is cathartic and
it always opens up either newquestions or answers questions.
Was there something from thisparticular book that kind of
(51:22):
gave you that oh shit, or that,oh my gosh?
You know I did not expect that.
Was there anything, or wasthere more than one?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, well, there's a couple of things.
Well, first, there was thewhole thing about the uh, you
know, the voyages because, likeI had, you know, the orthodoxy
was like the egyptians built thefirst like proper boats, but
they only used them to go up anddown the nile, like you said,
and transport stuff.
So the orthodoxy is, oh, theydidn't go out very far, they
(51:51):
were bad sailors and well, Imean, in a military perspective
they weren't really very good,you know, as a Navy.
That's true, but, like you know, merchant shipping and being
like a warship are two differentthings, aren't they, you know?
So you know, you don't have tobe like a brilliant, like I
don't know who's, a brillianttactician on the water, I don't
(52:15):
know, but you wouldn't have tobe like this amazing admiral
type to be able to go off toanother country, for us to be
like Admiral Halsey or somebodylike that.
Yeah, you just need a seagoingvessel.
It doesn't have to be full ofweapons, you're just going off
to get stuff and come back.
Obviously, probably back in theday you'd want to have a few
people with you know some kindof weapons in case you got
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attacked.
Yeah, um, but so that was all afallacy, that I used to believe
that orthodoxy.
And then going through all theresearch and the book and you
know, the replicas of theegyptian boats were built in the
late 60s and stuff that's.
That's all detailed in the bookI'm just like, oh, my god, it's
amazing.
(52:57):
So, um, they weren't the onlypeople who were building like
ships that were seagoing, like Isaid before, the mycenians, uh,
and the um, um, oh gosh, theguys from cartage and all that,
what they're called again, um,anyway, I forget the name.
There's a whole bunch ofdifferent peoples from that time
(53:20):
who were building sophisticatedboats and but it was the
egyptians, it seems, that cameup with the first like really
sophisticated boats, and beforethen the mesopotamians were
building boats really kind ofnot very complex ones, but, like
you know, it was the egyptianshave perfected, like the wooden
slatted boats you know that wereplanking.
(53:41):
That was the egyptians thatcome up with all that wow.
So it seems a bit stupid thatit wouldn't bother to go.
Oh, we've just invented thisamazing like new type of boat,
but we won't bother to use it,we'll just go down the Nile,
like you know just look at it,yeah just sit here and look at
our lovely creation.
(54:01):
We won't bother to to goanywhere in it.
You know it's so funny, it'sjust so ridiculous it really is.
It's the other thing I cameacross was something at Scotty's
grave which was, um, when yougo, you just people actually
make a mistake.
Quite often they look at thisbig rock with the drawing right
(54:21):
you know mostly graffiti on it.
Uh, that's where the own symbolwould have been the own writing
, which is gone because probablybeen dissolved by time, um, but
the actual graves are a littlebit further up from this big
rock, which so not everyone goesto the right place.
But in the center there's onecentral rock which is about you
(54:44):
you think in feet, do you feetrather than centimeters?
So it's probably about maybetwo foot by two foot or a little
bit smaller than that maybe.
So in normal weather you can'tsee it, but when it's really
heavy rain, then I've been theremany times and been there in
the pouring rain, really pouringrain you got, oh, what's those
(55:06):
funny marks?
It's got these strange linesand stuff on it and I'm like, oh
, that's really weird.
So I took a bunch of photographsand then you know I've gone
into that in the book, theanalysis of what this is.
This is not random, this isbeing done by somebody.
Somebody has carved these linesand shapes into this rock in
(55:30):
the middle of what's supposed tobe a grave and some people say,
oh no, it's not a grave, it'sjust a bunch of stones and
somebody's putting them therefor no good reason.
So I mean, people tend to notput in loads of effort to like
get a big load of stones and puta big stone in the middle and a
ring around them and thenbother to carve stuff on the
stone for absolutely no reasonat all, like, maybe we're just
(55:53):
like oh, I'm a bit bored today,I'm just going to, let's just do
this, let's just make somerandom thing in the middle of
nowhere.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Especially at that time, because getting rock and
getting all that there at thatparticular time, it's not like
they had an excavator, theycouldn't just put it there.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
I mean, the rocks might just be locally gathered
and they may have been hastilydone, but like, obviously it was
done for some reason, just forlike, out of boredom or like you
know.
People actually say peopledon't just do stuff like that
for fanciful reasons.
I mean life was hard, time wasvaluable.
(56:30):
People didn't just do stuff foryou know, in a frivolous way,
like they might do now.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
yeah, exactly yeah, absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
So that was quite shocking and, uh, you know, it
would be good if someone were togo back there and do like
proper analysis with likes of,uh, you know, x-rays or some
other kind of Like.
Lidar.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, like ground penetration.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, that kind of thing, LIDAR, yeah, and maybe
someone should go and dig up thegrave and excavate it properly
and find if there is a bodyunderneath there, because you
know, they have gotTutankhamun's body, they've got
Akhenaten's body, I think theymight even have Nefertiti's body
, they believe.
So now, yes, yeah, and like ifthis, if there's someone buried
(57:19):
there and they can do a dna testand go, this person is directly
related to toon carmoon.
That's toon carmoon's sister,that's arkanartan's daughter,
that's nefertiti's daughter,right, and if they could do that
, they go.
Wow, then this story is 100irrefutably true, that's true so
(57:40):
, but I mean, no one's reallyinterested to go there at the
moment.
It is a difficult place to getto.
It's.
You're going to wallow, gothrough a load of mud and cross
these little tiny bridges whichare just narrow enough for one
person.
Uh, it's not an easy place toget to and, like you really need
some wellington boots becauseyou're big, hiking boots because
(58:01):
you're going to be up to yourears in mud.
You know if you go any othertime that there's not like being
dry for a week or two.
You know it's, it's like pretty, it's.
It's not like a fun walk, it'sa bit tough going.
But when you get there, but Imean so maybe part of it is like
not wanting to have to try andlug all this gear down there and
(58:23):
, you know, have to helicopterin like a load of stuff or
whatever, because it isn'taccessible by car or truck or
anything like that.
So I think that might besomething to do with it as well.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Sure, Maybe your book will inspire a future
archaeologist to want to findout and.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
I would imagine, I would be so happy if, even if
they said I know you're wrong,but it'd be nice to know if I'm.
If I am wrong, well, yeah, yeah, fair play.
You know, I brought, you know,I want to know the truth
regardless of whether it's myversion or someone else's, I'd
like to know is there anyoneburied there and, if so, who are
(59:04):
they?
You know, right exactly yeahthat's amazing.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
That's the challenge prove me wrong exactly.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
I don't mind being wrong, but tell me why yeah
exactly.
Well, luke, listen, uh, I knowthat.
Um, I'm excited, I'm excited toread it, um, and, and I know we
don't know exactly when itcomes out, but when it does,
we'll, we'll, absolutely update.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
It is out in march but, I haven't got the exact
date for you right this moment,sure, so it's sort of like um,
very soon, but uh, yeah, butI'll make sure to let you know
the exact date of publicationanyway yep, and we'll definitely
let everybody know that, um,but other than that, I I, every
(59:48):
time you come and talk to us.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
It's just, it's amazing so.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
I learned so much.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
I do learn a lot and uh, it was an absolute I really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's been uh, it's as you say here, it's good crack
but I mean obviously that I haveto be careful that word.
It has different meaning,doesn't it?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
well, I mean good crack.
Here in the us can mean a lotof different things, but I get
where you're going yeah, we know, we know the meaning but uh
well, listen.
Thanks again for coming on.
We had a great time and hope toget you back on soon.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me back and
yeah, I really enjoyed it andyeah, yeah, I'd love to come on
again, maybe when I have anotherone.
That would be a little while,though.
It took me three years of workto do this book, you know, jeez.
Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, for little while, though.
It took me three years of workto do this book, you know, jeez
yeah, for sure I, I can imagine.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
So that's a lot of research to do, absolutely, yeah
, well, yeah again.
Thanks, luke, and we'll talk toyou soon.
Okay, thanks a million, bye-bye, bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Thanks, luke, for coming back thank you, luke, it
was good talking to you again itwas a good time.
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You know, was this show potentially paranormal?
Not in the traditional sense,I'll give you that, um, but the
mystery behind it is veryparanormal, um, if you think
about it just in the sense thatyou know, like he was talking
about them traveling, you know,going on the open sea, which I
clearly believe they do it, theydid yeah, well, a lot of the
(01:01:11):
spiritual ties of egypt kind ofcoincide, I think, with a lot of
like the, the pagan and druidand like I mean all those things
go together so I'm interestedto actually read the book and
see what he actually talks about.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Obviously we couldn't spoil it no you know, we want
everyone to read it and I wantto read it.
So I'm excited to see that, andI had heard previously about
Scotia.
I hadn't.
So it is interesting.
Yeah, it is interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And I think that the namesake of Scotland comes from
that I know.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
And from someone that wasn't alive very long, I know
it's so crazy how that stuffhappens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Which again tells me there had to have been a ton of
influence.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Yeah, I think there's a lot more than we know.
But, to find the evidence of it.
Like he was saying, it's verydifficult.
But I'm so interested inreading about his research
because he seems to be one ofthe first ones to really dive
into it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, he had mentioned there had been some
others, but he's kind of gottenmore into the weeds so to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, yeah, so very, very cool.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, listen guys, tell us what you think, check
out the book and, yeah, we'rehappy you joined us and we'll
talk to you next time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah, we'll make sure and put the the links to the
book in the episode notes.
We don't, as of this moment,know what date it's coming out,
but we'll make sure and put allthat on our Facebook page, show
notes and everywhere that weshare the video.
So make sure and click on it.
Buy his book, reach out to him.
He's very, you know, easy totalk to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Super approachable.
Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Yes, yes.
So reach out with questions,because I'm sure he'd love to
talk to you about them,absolutely so, all right, well
see you next week.
Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
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