February 7, 2025 • 60 mins
Prepare to be captivated as Preston Dennett, a leading authority in ufology, shares his remarkable transition from skeptic to expert after a significant UFO sighting over Alaska in 1986 involving a Japanese airliner. This event propelled Preston into the world of UFO investigations, leading him to unearth intriguing encounters among his own circle and join the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) as a field investigator. We delve into Preston's extensive research and experiences, setting the stage for a thought-provoking discussion on UFOs, humanoids, and the uncharted mysteries they present.
We take a fascinating journey through the astonishing variety of extraterrestrial encounters reported across the globe. From human-like figures to intriguing entities like praying mantis beings and hairy dwarves, these stories challenge the conventional narratives of alien contact. With cases spanning continents and cultures, Preston sheds light on the overlooked spiritual dimensions of these experiences. Notably, we explore Richard's hypnotically recalled encounter that linked to his insomnia and consider the profound implications such encounters have on our understanding of humanity and our cosmic connection.
Finally, the episode delves into the transformative potential of telepathic communication with extraterrestrials and the messages of love and caution they impart. Highlighting accounts like Sandra's and Susan's, we examine dire warnings about humanity's future and the benevolent intentions of these otherworldly beings. We also discuss the intriguing phenomenon of individuals learning to pilot alien crafts and the implications for healing and understanding our place in the universe. As UFO discussions gain traction in mainstream media, this episode invites listeners to challenge perceptions and embrace the evolving discourse surrounding extraterrestrial phenomena.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody.
So we recently released areally cool episode with a
fiction writer about UFOabduction.
So we decided it'd probably bea good idea to bring in a
re-release of Preston Dennett,who happens to be what we
believe the greatest, I guessUFO expert, and when it comes to
this particular topic, I meanhonestly, they go hand in hand.
(00:25):
So we decided to go ahead andre-release this.
Hope you like it.
We loved it.
We're huge fans of Preston andwe think you guys will be too.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The idea that humanity is alone in the
universe is inconceivable, andthe good news is we aren't.
As these cases show, weourselves are humanoids of high
strangeness, and we have got nokidding an amazing show lined up
(01:23):
.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Today we have what I consider to be one of the
greatest subject matter expertson UFO and ufology Absolutely,
and this man has been seen in alot of places, not just on TV,
but also he's a veryaccomplished author and we took
(01:43):
time to read his book and we'revery glad to have him.
So I'm just kind of gettingstarted.
The person and of course, ifyou've seen this thumbnail, you
already know who it is becauseyou can click on it.
But of course we're talkingabout Preston Dennett and
Preston Dennett he's got such aprolific biography so I'm going
to go ahead and read it to youbecause it's on his website and
(02:03):
I don't want to miss anythingbecause it is chock full.
I mean, this guy is amazing,no-transcript.
(02:36):
Several of his books have beenAmazon UFO bestsellers.
His articles have appeared innumerous magazines, including
Fate, atlantis, rising, mufon,ufo Journal, nexus, paranormal
Magazine, ufo Magazine,phenomenon Magazine, mysteries
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Magazine, ufologist and others.
Writing has been translatedinto several languages,
including german, french,portuguese, russian and islamic.
He has appeared on numerousradio and television programs,
including midnight in the desertwith art bell, coast to coast,
(03:20):
and also history channels, deepsea UFOs and UFO hunters and
ancient aliens.
His research has been presentedin the LA Times and in the LA
News, the Dallas Morning Newsand other newspapers.
He has taught classes onvarious paranormal subjects and
lectures across the UnitedStates, and I can't think of any
(03:45):
other way to bring him on, andI think there is no other way to
bring him on.
So, without further ado, let'sgo ahead and let's talk to
Preston.
Hey, everyone, we are here withPreston Dennett.
Preston, how are you?
I'm doing well, yeah, I'm doingpretty good.
How are you?
That's great, we're great.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your schedule.
(04:05):
We know you're very busy, so weappreciate you lending some
time to sit with us and talkabout some high strangeness and
a lot of great things.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Hey, it's my pleasure .
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So just kind of getting started, you have such a
vast background I know it's notwith just ufology, I know that
you have a vast background.
I know it's not with justufology, I know that you have a
vast background with pretty mucheverything paranormal.
But I think for the means ofthis particular show we're
really just going to focus alittle bit on the ufology and
kind of UFOs and the humanoids,especially when we get to the
(04:37):
book, because that's kind ofwhat we're focusing on.
But with that, could you kindof give us a little brief first
intro and kind of how you becameinterested in ufology and UFOs?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, sure, I mean, it's certainly not something I
was looking for.
I'd heard of UFOs but I had noreal interest in them because I
didn't believe in them.
I was skeptical, I just did notthink they were real.
I felt like the stars were toofar away and people who saw UFOs
were lying, hoaxing,hallucinating, misperceiving,
(05:13):
which is kind of thegovernment's party line, yeah.
And covering this up, yeah.
And I bought it, a hook lineand sinker Until 1986.
And I was actually, let's see,21 years old, so pretty young,
and heard a report on the newsabout a sighting over Alaska.
(05:34):
It's a super famous sightingbut, in a nutshell, this
Japanese commercial airliner andthe whole crew had a UFO which
paced their aircraft for over ahalf hour, nearly an hour
actually, and it was on radarand it was a great case.
The news report was very brief,kind of joking almost in a
(05:57):
skeptical way.
But it interested me because Iremember my brother, mark, had
said he'd seen a UFO some yearsearlier.
So that broke through myskepticism.
Enough to ask my brother whathe thought he saw.
Yeah, Right.
It turned out, he had anamazing sighting of a metallic
disc with colored lights on it.
(06:18):
Very low.
He chased it down the streetwith his two friends.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh so it was more than just him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Chased it down the street withhis two friends.
Oh, so it's more than just him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
I started to get a real shockbecause a lot of people I knew
had seen ufos.
Almost none of them were alone.
They all had witnesses withthem.
So, yeah, it was not good newsas far as I was concerned, right
, yeah it was upsetting.
I it really was Kind of shakesup your perception of things,
your whole belief system.
(06:48):
Exactly.
Not only shook it up, itsmashed it to smithereens.
It was gone by the time.
I had talked to my family,friends and coworkers.
There was a good 10 or 20 ofthem who had really dramatic
encounters.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So yeah, that's how.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I got involved.
I joined MUFON, the Mutual UFONetwork, became a field
investigator of them who had hadreally dramatic encounters.
So, yeah, that's how I gotinvolved.
I joined mufon yes, mutual ufonetwork, became a field
investigator and just kind ofsnowballed from there sure, no,
that's.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know.
It's funny because I find thatthere's such such a lot of
parallels with people who kindof get into this where,
especially for us and I know Ispeak for myself and I know
nicole probably feel the sameway that I kind of believe that
same thing.
You know, it's not existent.
We're just doing our day-to-dayroutine and inevitably
something happens.
(07:34):
That kind of takes you intothat whole new perspective of
things and I find that reallytimely.
And I bring that up becauseobviously right now there seems
to be such a to me anyway, andespecially for someone who is
not maybe as into it every day.
We don't government, you know,releasing data.
We've got people where it'sgetting a little bit more
(07:55):
mainstream than it used to be,or at least at least a little
bit more acceptable, where ifyou say, hey, I saw a ufo,
somebody doesn't look at yousideways and go.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I think this guy's kind of crazy I've gotten a few
of those looks I'm sure you'msure, yeah, yeah, I mean, when I
got into this my, you know, itkind of split the family a
little bit.
I have five brothers andsisters and there were the
believers and the non-believers.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, they thought I had lost my mind.
We have that as well.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah I think we , we definitely fall in that
camp because, uh, you know, II'm originally from the West
coast.
Um, and you know, with as muchof uh, especially when I lived
in Arizona, we had a lot of uh,you know, a lot of open sky,
could see a lot of things, and Ithink sometimes we would see
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things in the sky at night andjust go, yeah, okay, we know
it's there, but acknowledge andjust keep going.
You know, but, um, you know,and then the Travis Walton thing
came out and that was reallybig for us when I was a kid, you
know, hearing about the fire inthe sky and the movie and
everything but um, but that'swhen I first started kind of key
into it.
But, um, with that, uh, one ofthe things I wanted to talk to
(09:21):
you especially, I'm actuallyfrom the West Coast, I was
raised in.
Well, in my early years I was inTucson, arizona.
Then my formidable years I wasin San Diego, california, and I
find it odd, because I waswatching something with you on
it and you were talking aboutthe USO incident and I think I
believe Catalina Island, Ibelieve, is what it is.
(09:42):
Could you mind talking aboutthat a little bit?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Sure, yeah, you know, when I started investigating in
1988 is when I buckled downbecause it took me a year or two
to wrap my head around this.
I mean, I immediately you knowliving very close to the
coastline in Topanga Canyon,which is right outside of LA,
Right in Topanga Canyon which isright outside of LA.
I started to get reports rightaway, right off the bat, of what
(10:08):
we would call USOs unidentifiedsubmersible objects.
I remember the first one wasfrom a therapist actually Linda
Young was her name driving alongthe Pacific Coast Highway and
saw what she thought was a boat.
It was floating on the water,but it didn't look like a boat,
it was just this enormous,bright white light.
And she turned to the guy whowas driving, said look, what is
(10:32):
that?
And as soon as he looked, thisdarn thing took off straight up
and disappeared.
So that was my first report.
Then I got another report froma guy who's a doctor and he
lived in Malibu, right on thebeach and he saw a USO.
I started getting a lot more ofthese reports of these objects
(10:55):
coming into the water, comingout of the water, sometimes both
.
That's really rare, but thereare cases.
That's really rare, but thereare cases, right.
And started really looking intoit.
After getting so many and getthis.
I cataloged 150 cases, wow,right along that stretch of
coastline between CatalinaIsland and the mainland Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's so impressive.
It's wild, that's so impressiveand it kind of turns a key in
(11:41):
your head that says, if you arein that belief system and you
believe that if there arevisitors or however you,
whatever narrative you feel youbelieve it almost seems
conceivable that there would besome sort of underwater, because
that's the majority of ourplanet, and if you wanted to
stay somewhat stealthy, thatwould be the way to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
But wasn't that when you did the Valentich episode in
Australia, somebody sawsomething coming up out of the
water on that one as well?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Wow, yeah, I think it goes on a lot more than people
realize it just wasn't gettingany attention until recently.
Yeah, and that the go to guyfor USOs.
I don't know how that happened.
Well, I mean maybe 150cataloged events.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That's for sure, no kidding, that's awesome and if I
remember this correctly, and ifat least I have my facts right,
that's sort of the tic-tacsighting.
I was in the Navy for a whileand not then, but it's been a
while for a while and not then,but it's been a while but when I
was in.
You know, my understanding isespecially where they saw this
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and how carrier air groups work.
It's really surprising to methat that actually got out and
that there is that tangibleevidence because, having been in
that world, that's informationthat doesn't get released
without a lot of people signingoff on it and um, if I remember
correctly, now it's with thetic-tac situation.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
right, yeah, I agree.
And really makes me wonderreally how many reports there
are that we don't hear about oh,for sure I yeah, I always ask
people when I interviewed them,like, how did you report your
sighting to the police?
You know the air force to moveon mutual ufo network or any
organization almost never dothey do.
(13:36):
So you could 150 reports.
I think you could times up, youknow, let's be frugal and just
say 10 that would be a hundred,but really it would be a more
accurate times it by a hundred.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah right, gosh, that's something else and it's
it.
It just.
It's amazing to me that justthat small little portion of it,
um, and especially with all theinformation in your book that
we're going to get to here butto know that just that little
part of it even you yourself hascataloged 150 different uh
(14:10):
reports.
So it's like you're right ifyou take just that small little
bit of it and expound it on whatcould actually be out there and
that people have seen.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean, that's just in California a little bit of
area, so the entire world youcan only imagine what there is
Sure.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, I appreciate you talking to the general
public realizes.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you know, since startingthis, this show, you know that's
kind of what we do.
We're, we're kind of middle ofthe road.
We, you know, give, giveinformation out and let people
kind of decide what you know,what it is they want to,
whatever they feel they want tobelieve.
But you're right, I think, if,if a lot of this got out more,
it wouldn't be so taboo yeahtaboo, that was a great way to
(14:54):
say it, but kind of kind ofleaning into the wind a little
bit.
We have this great book thatwe've we've both read, we're big
fans of it.
Could you tell us a little bit?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
briefly about your new book, humanoids and High
Strangeness.
Yeah, I'm super excited aboutthis one for a lot of reasons.
Each chapter focuses on peoplewho've had direct face-to-face
contact with humanoids of somekind, so we're moving well
beyond simple sightings here.
A number of them do involve notonly face-to-face contact but
onboard experiences as well, anda wide variety of humanoids.
(15:32):
I think the greys, as we callthem, get a lot of attention,
but there's a lot more manydifferent types that people see.
So yeah, grays, for sure, Imostly get grays 50%, 60%, but
also human-looking very muchlike us, or praying mantis, ets.
(15:53):
Or there's a case involving thelittle blue beings, or hairy
dwarves, tall whites, manydifferent kinds, so I'm excited
about that.
Also I think it's reallyinteresting with this book
because I've got to cover casesnot only across the United
States, but there's some inCanada, two in South America,
(16:15):
one let's see Argentina, one inBrazil, there's a case from
England, france, germany.
So you're getting across-cultural perspective,
which is important because thisis a worldwide phenomenon.
A lot of people are seeing this, and another theme that I
really wanted to dig into wasthe high strangeness, because I
(16:37):
think there's a misconceptionthat when people have contact,
it's all about being taken onboard and physically examined by
greys and being put back.
Really, it's much more thanthat.
There's a very pronounced andprominent psychic and spiritual
and paranormal aspect to UFOencounters that I know actually
(17:00):
gets edited out of some people'saccounts because I've talked to
them.
Their story is written up inanother book and we're like well
, they didn't put this part inwhich was how they started
having out-of-body experiencesor precognitive dreams, or I
mean, you name it, the entirerange of paranormal events.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, I got to be honest reading this.
It was so interesting and Iwill say almost every single
story.
The hair on my arms raised up alittle bit in the beginning
just because you haven't heardto this extent and how similar
they were between certain people.
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The same type of experience inthe beginning, afterwards, all
those types of things reallykind of gave me a different
perspective.
Just like you said, the typicalis, oh, they've been taken, cut
open and then put back, butthat is definitely not the case
in this book of what you read itis very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thank you.
Yeah, it's awesome to see theamazing commonalities and
corroborations from people whodon't even know each other and
live in different parts of thecountry and had completely.
How could they have these sameexact details if this wasn't
absolutely true?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And in some cases they don't even speak the same
language.
So how could they collaborate?
Right, yeah, we, you know, Ifind it interesting because we
mentioned all the differenttypes of beings humanoids that
are kind of represented, ofbeings humanoids that are kind
of represented.
And you know, especially withmyself, I always sort of thought
(18:48):
of, you know, sort of theclassic gray type thing with you
know, I always remember WhitleyStryber's book where, you know,
right in the front of it you'vegot this, you know, classic
gray humanoid alien, and in mymind that's always been the if
you have to have the, you knowthe gold star of what a, a
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species would look like if, ifthey were to visit us.
And it really took a long timeonce.
You know, especially readingbooks like yours and and and
talking to people who aresubject matter experts, where
you're like, why wouldn't itjust be one type of species?
Obviously there's got to bemore than one.
You know it would be almostridiculous to think that only if
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there was that capability, thatonly one type of entity or one
type of visitor would be justthis one particular type species
.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, I totally agree .
It's weird because, you know,I'd heard about ETs prior to
becoming involved in this field.
I kept hearing reports ofhumanoids.
I'm like, well, this soundskind of Star Trek-y to me, pure
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assumption based on reallynothing but my own prior beliefs
about you know with no actualknowledge base to it.
I was looking for ets that wouldhave tentacles and I mean like
the blob or something, orsomething completely different
for sure.
That's just not the case.
They're, and this is amazing tome that they are pretty much
universally all humanoid,bipedal beings with arms and
legs, head and so forth, andwith some looking just like us.
(20:30):
This this has got some seriousimplications, I think, about who
these ets are and theirrelationship to us and, frankly,
where we come from if they lookjust like us.
What does that say about humanevolution?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
right right it certainly doesn't make it a
black and white case no, no inmy opinion anyway, yeah and I, I
was richard's story um.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You don't have to go into detail because I want
people to read your book andactually, you know, I just kind
of wanted to touch on somethingabout his implant.
He had an implant in the noseand he went to the doctor.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, Well, his daughter actually.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's right, the daughter yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's such an amazing case.
This guy is such a nice guy andreally wanted to do his part to
let people know his experience,because he knows there's a lot
of other people out there goingthrough this and it is kind of a
long story so I'll try toshorten it.
Yeah Right, but at age seven hesuddenly developed insomnia for
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no reason.
He could think of a fear ofintruders and just unable to
sleep at night and grew up intoan adult.
He was like 20, 22 years old andhis mom, inis, decided she's
going to quit smoking.
She's going to go to ahypnotherapist and quit smoking.
She said, richard, how aboutyou come with me and we'll have
the hypnotist work on yourinsomnia?
So long story short, they didand she recalled being taken on
(22:14):
board, a craft and seeing herson.
Now he's in the waiting room.
He doesn't know this.
He goes to the hypnotherapistand recalls being taken on board
and being physically examinedby greys and he said it was
quite scary, though he doesn'tthink that they were mean or
evil or anything, it was just alittle frightening for a
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seven-year-old boy.
But, he does remember seeing hismom.
So they both corroborated eachother's story and afterwards she
says you know, richard, I hadan experience at age seven, so
that was when he had hisexperience.
So Richard grows up, getsmarried, has kids, has a
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seven-year-old daughter and he'swatching TV one day and turns
out to be a show on UFOs and animage of a gray ET comes on the
screen and his little daughter,seven years old, drops her
Barbies, her Barbie dolls, andruns up to him and starts
tugging on his arms, sayingDaddy, daddy, daddy.
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And he's like, stop, I'mwatching TV.
She's like no, no, no, it'simportant.
And finally he turns to her andsays what is it?
And she points to the TV, saidthat's what's coming into my
room at night and poking my nose.
So she was having unexplainednosebleeds at this time this is
(23:36):
a sign of contact, sometimes.
Right.
And they went to the dentistbecause they had a scheduled
appointment.
They were going to take her tothe doctor after they went to
the dentist.
Because they had a scheduledappointment.
They were going to take her tothe doctor after they went to
the dentist, but they alreadyhad made this appointment.
So they went to the dentist andthe dentist takes the x-rays
and angrily comes up to Richardand says you're supposed to tell
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me if your daughter's hadsurgery or any kind of implant.
And Richard says what are youtalking about?
She's never had surgery, shedoesn't have an implant.
And the dentist says what areyou talking about?
She's never had surgery, shedoesn't have an implant.
And the dentist says well, yes,she does.
Here's the x-ray.
What's that?
And it showed this tiny littlerod embedded in her upper sinus,
and not in a way that she couldhave stuck something up there.
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This was embedded in thetissues.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And Richard's like well, I don't know what that is.
And he asked the dentist andthe dentist says I don't know,
let's leave it alone.
And Richard ended up going toanother doctor who refused to
make much comment on it orreally take any action
whatsoever, least take himseriously or take a look at it.
(24:52):
And finally he found a doctorwho took a look at the x-ray and
said okay, come to my office.
He closed the door and openedhis desk and pulled out this
file and handed it over, slid itacross the desk to Richard and
said if you tell anyone I showedyou this, I'm going to deny it.
And this was a governmentdocument which said to the
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doctor if you find any implant,any artificial object in
somebody, you are not to removeit, you are to leave it alone.
Removing it, you could facesevere fines, you could lose
your license, which is, inessence, what this document said
(25:35):
.
And he told the doctor, toldRichard, doctors all over the
across the United States receivethis document.
This is why you were gettingthe runaround with the other
doctors, because they know aboutthis.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That is just amazing, yeah like yeah, can you?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
imagine I just I was just like wow, wow, I mean I'm
not too surprised about that,but yeah, it's just like this
mass cover-up.
How has this lasted for so longthat we've never heard this
before?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
yeah, I mean, they're just terrified yeah, and have
an entire medical community haveto do the exact same thing.
That's so.
You know this is kind of alittle off topic, but um, I was
always a big fan of like philipk dick novels and stuff where
you get into this wholedystopian society and everything
and, uh, you know, you alwayssay to yourself, oh, that
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probably couldn't happen, peoplewouldn't do that.
And then that kind ofcooperation tells you that maybe
there is some truth to that,that there would be this
dystopian cover-up that says, no, we will not talk about that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, that's what really got me fired up to do UFO
research is when I found outthere was a cover-up which is so
easily provable I mean it'sundeniable, and it just burns me
up because this is our taxdollars.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They're calling us liars.
That made me angry and I wouldimagine it would make people.
I'm sorry let me cut you off,but yeah, I definitely agree
that would make a lot of people.
It did make me angry, justreading it from the book.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I talked to another guy who had an implant
and had the x-rays or looked atthem and then went to the doctor
and requested them and got thex-rays and it had been
airbrushed out or altered insome way.
So this implant didn't showthere anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So they're removing them from the x-rays.
That is so illegal on so manylevels.
It's not right, it's justunethical.
And doctors you know, take avow a hippocratic oath right,
right but.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I guess, if you look from their perspective.
They've went to school allthese years, you know to become
a doctor, and then you know it'sa risk of losing everything if
they say anything Right.
I mean, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's a HIPAA violation.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Morally that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It is Wow.
But if the government comes inand tells you you can't do
something, most people listen.
Unfortunately, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Most people listen.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
unfortunately, that's crazy.
The other thing I noticed yeah,between all these stories, the
precognitive dreams after theabductions a lot of these people
have psychic abilities, thingslike that.
That was a commonality betweenthe majority of these stories I
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noticed in your book.
That just seems crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Like what would that be?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like why are they getting these?
Just from being taken on boarda craft.
Yeah, isn't that amazing.
I felt the same way.
I'm like, wow, this is acommonality, this is more the
rule than the exception.
So I really made a point.
You know, having learned this,because it took some time to
like realize this is something alot of people are reporting, I
didn't know to ask thesequestions Now.
I do it's funny to hear thesepeople say well, actually, yeah,
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I do have dreams that come trueall the time.
It freaks me out, and it didn'tstart until I started having
contact.
It's not always the case.
Some people are psychic before,but definitely after, so I
think there's something going onhere.
And in fact I've talked toenough contactees who were told
by the ETs.
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I said this is our gift to you.
I've heard that same phrase atleast three times.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Really.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
People were told that by the ETs.
This is our gift to you forhaving worked with us.
So they are absolutely.
I think there's something aboutthe experience itself which
ignites your psychic abilitiesbecause, for a number of reasons
, when you're taken on board,they are communicating
telepathically right.
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Ets themselves are very psychic.
I mean walking through walls andlevitating and doing telepathy
and definitely can perceivefuture events because they give
warnings and stuff all the time.
So I think this is one of theirgoals with people is to wake us
up to our own supernaturalabilities.
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I don't like to call themsupernatural, because I think
they're actually natural I dotoo right, you've just been so
closed off for so long yeah,yeah we do have the ability to
do astral projection and pastlife recall and healing and
remote viewing and mediumshipand precognition is a big one.
Richard himself had manyexamples where he got really
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well known in his family.
He'd write them down inenvelopes and seal them so he
could prove it to people hesaved his daughter from being
killed.
Basically he said you know what?
I saw you working on a car, thejack falling, and you being
crushed.
She's like, well, actually I'msupposed to work on the car
tomorrow.
She says don't go under thatcar.
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And she did.
She went under it and thenremembered and quickly got out
and told everyone get out fromunder the car, get out.
And no sooner had they all gotout from under this car when it
collapsed.
She called him crying.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, that would make me cry, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Can you imagine he says it really bothers him.
He's like I don't know why thisis happening.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it's difficult because a lot of the times
people are seeing tragedies ornegative events.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Which I think it's good to have a warning.
It is I think it was his son.
He asked his son do you drivewith a water bottle between your
legs?
Because he had seen this.
He had seen the water bottleslipping down and getting under
the brake and causing anaccident.
And his son said well, yeah, Ido.
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He said don't do that.
Don't do that.
It's like why.
What are you talking about?
He says just don't do it.
Well, he did it, and of coursethe bottle slid right under the
brake pedal and he rear-endedsomebody.
So I'm sorry, dad, I shouldhave listened to you yeah, which
are most.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Most kids say their parents after that they've been
told not to do something.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I find that so interesting because and you
touched on a little bit that youknow, during the experience, um
, when, when, when they'retaking a board, or even just
even in some of the cases in thebook where they're sort of
checking back up on some ofthese people, um, that gift
almost seems like, hey, we'regiving this to you because
that's the way we communicate,so it's it's almost like a way
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of almost like a transceiver orsome kind of radio to be able to
still not just talk to them butmonitor them and and look out
for them.
You know, um, especially withsome of the stories in there and
um, you know, Birch being oneof them um, them, um, where you
know you kind of have thatfeeling like it's it's not just
a gift, it's almost like a tool,a way for it's a radio, almost.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
To me, walkie talkie yeah yeah, I agree, and just
imagine if all of us were atthat level where we could
communicate telepathically andread each other's minds and know
if someone's lying or, you know, consumed with greed and
corruption.
It could change the world.
It, sure would it wouldabsolutely make a huge
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difference.
It's time that we all cometogether and just start, you
know, living with truth andcompassion and love for each
other.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I think it's what they're trying so hard to do.
Uh, we're spiritually bereft ina lot of ways.
That's causing all kinds ofproblems, and they're trying to
wake people up.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
And speaking on that, I'm going to go on to the next
topic because you know this isnot the first time I've kind of
heard about warnings, and youmentioned it a little bit
earlier about warnings.
If you want to talk a littlebit about the mantis beings and
showing us humans images, I'mjust going to say images and let
you fill in the rest.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, this is something I do hear a lot from
really all different types ofETs, but I love that particular
case loving a lady named Sandrawho was just a little girl Gosh,
let me see, I think she was 12years old.
I've got my notes right herebecause I know she was pretty
young oh, no, eight.
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She was eight years old when shehad this experience in
Albuquerque, new mexico, andthis is some time ago, 1947, and
she had a friend who livedabout a mile away on a
reservation and so she wouldperiodically ride her bicycle to
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her friend's house and sheasked her mom one early one well
, not too early, but in themorning if she could go over and
visit her friend her mom'shouse.
And she asked her mom one earlywell, not too early, but in the
morning if she could go overand visit her friend Her mom's
like.
Sure, of course.
So Sandra got on her bike andwas going down this road, which
is not a busy road, and wasabout halfway there when this
shadow came over the road andshe looks up and sees this craft
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landing, plunk right on theroad in front of her.
Covers the road from one sideto the other.
So not a huge craft, butdefinitely not small either
you're not going to miss it no,you can't get by it right.
And she stops on her bike and islooking at this thing and a
door opens and there's a figurein there and she's like, oh my,
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that looks like a six foot tallbug.
And sets down her bike becausethis figure is beckoning towards
her and as she gets close, seesit Well, this is kind of like a
praying mantis At age eight.
I'm not sure if she knew inhindsight and I was like yeah
that looked like a praying man,mantis, right, but it was very
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friendly and kind of beckonedher to come on board, and which
she did, because she's like, wow, this is interesting.
She had no fear.
And once on board, this beingsays you can call me mother,
which I thought was reallyinteresting.
That is interesting, yeah.
And she saw these little, shortlittle beings which she first
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thought were kids because theywere kind of skipping around and
chirp, chirping and chirpingand being very playful, and
she's looking at them.
She's like, oh, these aren'tkids.
They're bald, they have darkeyes, gray skin, large heads,
they're grays.
Back then there was no term forthat, but later again, in
hindsight, she's like, oh,that's what they were, because
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eventually this did get into themedia and she says, she, they
led her on to the craft, whichis rounded, much larger on the
inside than on the outside,which is a neat detail I hear
from people very clean, verysparse, not a whole lot in there
.
They took her to one of thewindows and she was amazed to
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see that it was nothing butstars out there.
She had just been on the groundand she was amazed to see that
it was nothing but stars outthere.
She had just been on the groundand she didn't feel any
movement.
She's like, wow, we're alreadyin outer space.
This is crazy.
And they took her to the centerof the room where there was this
little kind of like a TV.
She didn't have a TV at thattime, but later she was like
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that's what it looked like andit was projecting this hologram
in full living color not superlarge, a couple of feet by a
couple of feet of full colorimages and they were moving and
she's looking at them andfocusing on them and she sees
that these were scenes of warTanks on the streets and
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soldiers fighting and bombsexploding and this sort of thing
.
And they told her, basically,that this is going to happen,
that humanity is on the wrongpath and that you need to do
your part to tell people thatthis is not right.
And she's thinking to herselfwell, I'm eight years old, what
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do you want me to do?
I'm just a kid.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I haven't got so much leverage.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And she did not tell her parents.
After she got returned.
They were searching for her, bythe way, going up and down that
road looking for her, and shewas not there.
And apparently they had takenher bike too, because the bike
wasn't there either.
But after going down that roada fourth time, they found her
lying next to her bike.
She was in a daze, so she wasphysically taken.
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And I asked her you know whatdid you tell your parents?
She said no, no, are youkidding?
They're not going to believe me.
She did try telling.
she did tell her grandmother,because her grandmother said oh
yeah, I've seen beings when Iwas a little girl, your age,
this is generational.
But yeah, they gave herwarnings.
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She tried telling her schoolfriends but they just kind of
laughed at her.
So she ended up keeping prettyquiet about it for a long, long
time.
But not the only case like thatin the book.
There's another lady, susan,who had the same sort of thing
where she was given warningsabout our warlike ways.
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Showed same, really almostexactly the same, yeah.
So it's astonishing to me thatthey're doing this.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I'm glad you brought up Susan, because I copied down
the quote from her in the bookand I'd like to read it because
I think it was so profound.
I think so.
Basically, she says the imageswere exactly the same thing that
I remember seeing in thoserecurring dreams as a child the
military tanks in the street,bombs and destruction around us,
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dark skies and starvation.
If we don't change our ways andyou can't make a difference,
this will happen.
We would have wars in ourstreets and chaos.
Every one of you have got tomake a change because if you
don't, this is what's going tohappen.
It stressed my responsibilityas a human being to do my best
and pass on the word to others.
It showed me the urgency tostop the warlock ways on this
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planet or we would perish.
It showed me that love, andnothing but love, will change
this world, and I just thoughtthat was just an amazing quote
from her, and once againspeaking about love and trying
to come together and changethings.
They're attempting, they'retrying to help us, help us help
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ourselves?
I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, it's a beautiful statement, and when?
I hear it quite often and itreally concerns me when I hear
these fear-based accounts ofpeople saying, ah, this was a
terrible thing, and some of thisis flat out lies and
disinformation.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Some people are truly terrified.
I get it.
It's not always easy.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No no.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But when I keep hearing this, it's like well,
clearly they're concerned, right, they're concerned about our
well-being, so this, I think,speaks towards their benevolence
.
There's so many cases like this.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I know so many.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
If you get a message, it's going to be along those
lines.
Be along those lines.
You know, warnings againstnuclear proliferation or warlike
ways, the destruction of theenvironment um psychos
development.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You know spiritual morals right, so and I just want
to mention it really speaks tothings hard yeah, and I, yeah, I
just want to mention it reallyquick, um, because of time, but
um, we did an episode on the ufoin zimbabwe, the aerial school
and all the kids I'm sure you'refamiliar with it and that was
my first account.
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I, when I came across that, Iwas just like it, just I had no
words.
It really impacted me and I Ibring it up all the time
whenever we do an episode onufos, because appearing to
children, um, and all thistelepathic and basically showing
them you know how theenvironment, how we're, you know
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destroying the earth, basically, and like giving them warnings
once again, like we don't stopthis, your entire planet's going
to be burning.
You know you're going to havenothing left.
You need to take care of theplanet.
And that really impacted me.
It's just they're just warningus over and over.
And then when I read your book,I was like, oh my gosh.
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They're warning us to stop withthe fighting, stop with this and
stuff.
It's like they're just tryingto help us.
It's just I don't know.
It's shocking to me because youdon't really hear about it that
much.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, just I don't know it's shocking to me because
you don't really hear about itthat much.
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
In fact, I know that case well.
It made me cry.
It really did.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah it made me cry too the the one, the one about
the yeah but the one kid sayingsomething about.
They showed him pictures of,like, the trees all burning um
and the planet burning it.
It real, really did.
It brought tears to my eyes.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It was really, really sad it hits really hard because
you know if, if, obviously andI would understand that there's
got to be, if there's severaldifferent species, I'm sure
there's got to be bad actors, soto speak.
You know out there that may wantto cause us harm, but at this
particular point nobody has.
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And the only thing that we'veseen up to this point is all
these cases where they're,they're truly trying to help us
out.
Um, especially in the case of,you know, like you'd mentioned,
with the two in your book andwith the aerial school, um, you
know, if in fact we're tobelieve, you know the humanoid
existence and you know if that'swhat that's the feeling that
everybody has when they, whenthey look at this.
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You know they're almost like areflection of us in a way too.
I know there's a lot of beliefthat that we come from, or you
know at least have some kind ofof lineage, so to speak.
But it almost seems likewouldn't that be something that
a caring group or caringindividual would want to do?
Is to help out someone thatthey see clearly not on the
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right path.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I think we do share a commonheritage with them.
That's certainly the messagecontactees get.
I've talked to so many peoplewho've had this experience and,
while it can be scary, I've gotno cases of what I would call
sadistic behavior orintentionally hurting or even
trying to scare somebody.
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That's us putting our owncultural mores and behavior onto
them, Transference kind of.
We're the ones who are hurtingeach other.
It's the people on Earth I'mmore concerned about having
contact with than the ETs.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The schoolyard cases are so amazing Because when I
heard about the Rua Zimbabwecase, I instantly thought of
well, there's that case inAustralia, the Westall High
School.
Yeah, wait, there's that one inOpelika, florida, the Crestview
Elementary School, broadhavenElementary School in Wales, the
Hillsdale College incident.
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That's still, you know youngpeople.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I started digging deeper and I found a hundred
cases of UFOs hovering overschools or actually landing next
to them.
Humanoids are coming out in onethird of the cases.
These are very long lasting lowlevel daylight sightings.
Really a strong introduction tothe phenomena, strong
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introduction to the phenomenaand I think a very effective
method of announcing theirpresence and really sort of
cementing the idea that we arenot alone into popular culture.
It's just boy, those schoolyardkids are so poignant, really
touching, yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
So I, I saw that you had a book on that, because I
looked over, because you've gotwhat like 30 books that you've
written so and I was kind ofgrazing over them like oh,
that's the next one I'm readingbecause, the Zimbabwe case like
really got me amped and so Ireally want to check that out
next and read about those,because I mean, if you're going
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to appear to anyone, adults kindof have their already
preconceived notions Right, andwe don't like to bend very
easily we're jaded at that pointright, right.
So you appear to kids becausekids are more open, they're more
likely to listen, and it'sgoing to impact them for the
rest of their life and thenmaybe, when they become adults,
they'll try to do the rightthing.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Right, I mean that's that's what I think they're
doing.
A lot of them have never heardof a UFO.
They don't have fear of someonewho looks a little different.
Right, it's a concept.
It's so amazing to hear theirtestimony.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah.
They have no idea.
To them there's no concept ofanything other than what they
know.
So you know they don't have anypreconceived notions, so that
when something like that doeshappen, not only does it add,
you know, some levity to itbecause you know it's a child,
but it also they're not thegreatest liars.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
They're gonna tell you straight well, and they're,
they're very curious, especiallyat that age.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
For sure super excellent witnesses, really
people like well, it's just achild.
I'm like, well, wait a second.
They don't have a belief systemwhere they filter everything
through.
Yeah, I've interviewed a lot ofadults who are like, well, I
saw a demon.
I'm like, well, no, just tellme what you saw.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Don't try to interpret it.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Just explain to me exactly what you saw.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I love about children because they're sponges and
they soak up knowledge andthey're very good observers
actually.
In those school yard cases it'snot just one kid, it's usually
a whole crowd of them and theteachers.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
In more than half the cases the teachers are going.
Oh right, for sure.
Yeah, well, I know the aerialschool.
It was like what?
60 kids or something like thatit was quite a few and they, you
know, and we had this on ourepisode I made sure they had
them draw what they saw in theaccounts, in kid pictures, I
mean, the craft looked verysimilar in shape and size and
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what they saw and what theyheard.
And it's just kids can't, theycan't come together, 60 of them
and collaborate and be like okay, this is what we're going to
say, this is what we're going todraw.
Adults can't they.
Adults, adults can't even dothat.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I was going to say it's hard enough for us to do
yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
But yeah, but kids, it's just it.
Really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Well, one of the things I had wanted to ask you
was do you have a particularcase that you were really fond
of, or is it kind of with thecause I know you, you kind of
mentioned that kind of strikes achord with the uh, with the
child visitations and the andthe schoolyards, is that kind of
where, where you've, you willfind you more fascinated in as
far as cases.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh, it's very hard to pick because I've interviewed a
lot of people.
I mean schoolyard cases was itknocked my socks off.
I'd been in this field for some30 years already and I had no
idea that was a thing.
But I'd say, of all the casesI've ever investigated overall,
there's a few that absolutelystand out, and one would be
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involving a nurse by the name ofDolly Safran, who I ended up
writing a whole book on becauseher case is the most extensive
I've ever had the privilege toresearch A former nurse and
worked in the Department ofDefense a really good witness a
lifeguard, a zookeeper and thisamazing woman who had, from age
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14 onwards, fully consciouscontact, no missing time.
She remembers she's notfrightened and has worked very
closely with greys mostly, butdifferent types of ETs, and
they've taught her so much.
They taught her actually how tofly the craft and how they fly.
She sits in the seat and fliesthem.
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I know how this might sound toa skeptic, but I've already
received a number of cases likethat.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Not as extensive Okay that's a book I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, her case.
I ended up writing a whole bookon that called Symmetry.
I can talk for hours and hourson just her case alone.
It's, hands down, my favorite,I would say.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I could see why.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
To be honest with you .
Speaker 1 (50:21):
That's the first time I've ever heard of something
like that my favorite, I wouldsay.
I could see why that is.
To be honest with you, that'sthe first time I've ever heard
of something like that.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Yeah, I haven't heard that one.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
That is pretty profound.
Oh, no, it's true, that is wild.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Grant Cameron he's a Canadian researcher wrote a book
called Sky Pilots.
He interviewed some 60 peoplewho had that experience.
I'm like yes.
Wow, I'm people who've had thatexperience.
I'm like, yes, I'm so gladbecause I tell people this and
they're like you're kidding.
I'm like, no, no, no, this is athing.
They will give you a tour ofthe craft.
They'll take you down to theengine room, they'll take you up
to the observation deck, to thecontrol room, and tell you how
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they fly.
We'll sit you down in the seat.
It's if you can just move pastthe fear of contact.
Um, it changes completely,because no one likes being
physically examined, and thatdoes happen, right, who likes
going to the doctor?
And especially if the doctor isa little different?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
well, yeah, but for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
But that's why they pull people on board is to heal
them.
I wrote a book on just healingssome 300 cases.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Really, I'll have to read that one too.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
If you look at the onboard experience and what
actually happens and throwingaway what you think happens,
looking what actually happensyou'll see it's a very
benevolent experience overall.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I got to admit I'm a little gobsmacked Threw me for a
loop I.
I had no idea that that wasn't.
That was an actual uh reporteduh encounter, that is, I'll
admit, I'm floored.
Thank you for sharing thatbecause uh yeah you know,
learning something new every day, and it's just amazing because
I had no idea that even I'venever heard that before.
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Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Ever First time I heard it.
I'm like what, what are youtelling me?
Boom, Wow.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Well, here we are.
You know we've talked about thebook and, by the way,
absolutely love it.
I know we've talked about itand we hail it, but it was
definitely one of those whereand I know Nicole mentioned it,
you know, there were times whereI'm like I may want to read
some of this during the daylightbecause it's just a little I've
.
I've had incidences that that Ihave personal, that I've
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experienced, and I'm and I'msure Nicole has too and we we
talk a little bit about it, butsome of it hit a little close to
home.
So it was like but aside fromthe book, do you want to talk
more about?
You know kind of what you'vegot going on?
And you know, is it just thebook or I know that you've got
some other ventures going on orthe money to afford books and
(53:00):
stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I have a podcast I do , actually, with Dolly Safran,
who's the one I just talkedabout, called the Light Gate,
where we're interviewing some ofthe witnesses that I get to
interview and bring theirstories for, or other
researchers and experiencers,always working on new projects,
new books.
So I'm keeping busy for sure.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
This is an important subject Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
With the uptick of sightings and with the
government coming out, I'm surepeople maybe feel a little bit
more comfortable in speakingwith you now as opposed to
before.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
For sure.
Do you feel they're evenletting me use their names?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Yeah, that's amazing.
And not pseudo names.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And I know I touched on a little bit before and I
just spoke about on my end butdo you feel that fever pitch?
Do you feel like we're almostat a tipping point, that there's
something kind of about tohappen, or do you feel it's
always been there and we're justnow being aware of it, or do
you feel it's always?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
been there and we're just now being aware of it.
I think that events areescalating, in terms of public
awareness for sure, anddisclosure does seem to be
ramping up.
I honestly don't feel ourgovernments or people behind the
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cover-up the secret government,if you will are ever going to
be truthful or transparent.
I think it's a waste of time tolook to them for answers,
because they've lied from dayone and are still lying.
They are saying well, we don'thave enough evidence.
Yes, you do.
Yeah, you know exactly what thisis right, so I'm a little bit
on the fence about that, butit's amazing to see this subject
being, like you said, pushedinto the mainstream, being
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discussed on 60 minutes and allthese tv programs about it and
people coming forth in largenumbers and whistleblowers.
It's a absolute new age.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
I would say a complete turnaround from how
it's been for a long, long time,for sure I mean we, I'm a I'm a
fan of a lot yeah, absolutely,and and I'm a fan of a lot of
stuff and kind of a little offscript, but, um, you know, we
listen to, I listen to smartlist, you know, with all the
(55:19):
jason bateman and all those guys, and I never thought I would be
in the car driving to the storeand literally on their episode
talk about the ufo.
Um, uh, hearings in thegovernment.
I'm like, wow, that that is thelast place.
I would have ever thought thatsomething like that would
actually be brought up and howmainstream it's it's become I
(55:40):
just think, they finally had tosay something, something because
we all have cell phones.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
We can all videotape?
We can.
We know, everybody knowsthere's something.
So they had to come out and saysomething probably won't get
any information, like you said,but yeah, they're real.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
If they didn't say something, they were going to
look like idiots Irrelevant, notbelievable.
You have to.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Exactly Like yeah, they're real.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Listen, Preston, we know you're.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
We're so glad you took the time to sit down with
us.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, and we thank you so much.
But yeah again, our audience.
Please pick up humanoids andhigh strangeness.
It's a fantastic book 20 truestories.
You won't get bored because,trust me, there's no boredom in
it.
It is a page turner and it's 20stories that literally leave
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you guessing for a lot ofdifferent things.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
We heard each other reading it and I had read it
first.
I read it first and he washearing me, and then, when he
read it, I hear him go.
Hmm, I'm like which part areyou?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
at.
Yeah it was fun, but uh, butthanks again, and uh, we'll, uh,
we'll, let you get back sometime.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, thanks very much for having me on the show.
It's an honor and a delight, soI truly appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Thank you on the show , it's an honor and a delight,
so I truly appreciate it.
Thank you, thank you well thatwas a lot of information.
It was a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
My mind is literally blown um that with driving the
ufo, with with being allowed todrive, I mean wow, yeah, yeah
that's I mean.
I know I never heard anythinglike that and Mm-mm, I mean.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
No, and we know a lot more than probably the
listeners because we've readthis one book of his Right Out
of the 30.
Yeah, you should really gocheck him out.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yes, check him out, by all means.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
It is something you probably never heard before.
I mean, there's some things, afew that they touch on, but I
had never no.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
No, I mean you can tell we're pretty at a loss for
words because of the interviewyou just witnessed and just the
fact that there's so much morein this book.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
We just touched on a few things.
Layers, layers, layers, yes, yesyes, so definitely check out
his books.
He also has a website you cango to and check out all all the
goods on him.
It's wwwprestindenitweeblycom.
That's w-e-e-b-l-y, and so youcan go check him out there.
(58:20):
Yeah, and we kind of want to umin this show from another.
This is a quote by preston inin his book and I just kind of
want to go out with this.
Sounds good to me, okay, sothese are preston's words.
For me, the real takeaway fromall these accounts is that the
ufo experience ultimately ahuman experience, a reminder
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that we live in a wonderfullymysterious universe with
infinite possibilities.
High strangeness is really onlyin our minds.
If all these cases wereacknowledged more openly and
discussed with frank honesty,they would cease to be
considered strange and wouldinstead be viewed for what they
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really are part of the adventureof being a human on planet
Earth.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
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Stay curious and keep exploringthe unexplained.
Hey everybody.
So we recently released areally cool episode with a
fiction writer about UFOabduction.
So we decided it'd probably bea good idea to bring in a
re-release of Preston Dennett,who happens to be what we
believe the greatest, I guessUFO expert, and when it comes to
this particular topic, I meanhonestly, they go hand in hand.
(00:25):
So we decided to go ahead andre-release this.
Hope you like it.
We loved it.
We're huge fans of Preston andwe think you guys will be too.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The idea that humanity is alone in the
universe is inconceivable, andthe good news is we aren't.
As these cases show, weourselves are humanoids of high
strangeness, and we have got nokidding an amazing show lined up
(01:23):
.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Today we have what I consider to be one of the
greatest subject matter expertson UFO and ufology Absolutely,
and this man has been seen in alot of places, not just on TV,
but also he's a veryaccomplished author and we took
(01:43):
time to read his book and we'revery glad to have him.
So I'm just kind of gettingstarted.
The person and of course, ifyou've seen this thumbnail, you
already know who it is becauseyou can click on it.
But of course we're talkingabout Preston Dennett and
Preston Dennett he's got such aprolific biography so I'm going
to go ahead and read it to youbecause it's on his website and
(02:03):
I don't want to miss anythingbecause it is chock full.
I mean, this guy is amazing,no-transcript.
(02:36):
Several of his books have beenAmazon UFO bestsellers.
His articles have appeared innumerous magazines, including
Fate, atlantis, rising, mufon,ufo Journal, nexus, paranormal
Magazine, ufo Magazine,phenomenon Magazine, mysteries
(03:00):
Magazine, ufologist and others.
Writing has been translatedinto several languages,
including german, french,portuguese, russian and islamic.
He has appeared on numerousradio and television programs,
including midnight in the desertwith art bell, coast to coast,
(03:20):
and also history channels, deepsea UFOs and UFO hunters and
ancient aliens.
His research has been presentedin the LA Times and in the LA
News, the Dallas Morning Newsand other newspapers.
He has taught classes onvarious paranormal subjects and
lectures across the UnitedStates, and I can't think of any
(03:45):
other way to bring him on, andI think there is no other way to
bring him on.
So, without further ado, let'sgo ahead and let's talk to
Preston.
Hey, everyone, we are here withPreston Dennett.
Preston, how are you?
I'm doing well, yeah, I'm doingpretty good.
How are you?
That's great, we're great.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your schedule.
(04:05):
We know you're very busy, so weappreciate you lending some
time to sit with us and talkabout some high strangeness and
a lot of great things.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Hey, it's my pleasure .
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So just kind of getting started, you have such a
vast background I know it's notwith just ufology, I know that
you have a vast background.
I know it's not with justufology, I know that you have a
vast background with pretty mucheverything paranormal.
But I think for the means ofthis particular show we're
really just going to focus alittle bit on the ufology and
kind of UFOs and the humanoids,especially when we get to the
(04:37):
book, because that's kind ofwhat we're focusing on.
But with that, could you kindof give us a little brief first
intro and kind of how you becameinterested in ufology and UFOs?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, sure, I mean, it's certainly not something I
was looking for.
I'd heard of UFOs but I had noreal interest in them because I
didn't believe in them.
I was skeptical, I just did notthink they were real.
I felt like the stars were toofar away and people who saw UFOs
were lying, hoaxing,hallucinating, misperceiving,
(05:13):
which is kind of thegovernment's party line, yeah.
And covering this up, yeah.
And I bought it, a hook lineand sinker Until 1986.
And I was actually, let's see,21 years old, so pretty young,
and heard a report on the newsabout a sighting over Alaska.
(05:34):
It's a super famous sightingbut, in a nutshell, this
Japanese commercial airliner andthe whole crew had a UFO which
paced their aircraft for over ahalf hour, nearly an hour
actually, and it was on radarand it was a great case.
The news report was very brief,kind of joking almost in a
(05:57):
skeptical way.
But it interested me because Iremember my brother, mark, had
said he'd seen a UFO some yearsearlier.
So that broke through myskepticism.
Enough to ask my brother whathe thought he saw.
Yeah, Right.
It turned out, he had anamazing sighting of a metallic
disc with colored lights on it.
(06:18):
Very low.
He chased it down the streetwith his two friends.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh so it was more than just him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Chased it down the street withhis two friends.
Oh, so it's more than just him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
I started to get a real shockbecause a lot of people I knew
had seen ufos.
Almost none of them were alone.
They all had witnesses withthem.
So, yeah, it was not good newsas far as I was concerned, right
, yeah it was upsetting.
I it really was Kind of shakesup your perception of things,
your whole belief system.
(06:48):
Exactly.
Not only shook it up, itsmashed it to smithereens.
It was gone by the time.
I had talked to my family,friends and coworkers.
There was a good 10 or 20 ofthem who had really dramatic
encounters.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So yeah, that's how.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I got involved.
I joined MUFON, the Mutual UFONetwork, became a field
investigator of them who had hadreally dramatic encounters.
So, yeah, that's how I gotinvolved.
I joined mufon yes, mutual ufonetwork, became a field
investigator and just kind ofsnowballed from there sure, no,
that's.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know.
It's funny because I find thatthere's such such a lot of
parallels with people who kindof get into this where,
especially for us and I know Ispeak for myself and I know
nicole probably feel the sameway that I kind of believe that
same thing.
You know, it's not existent.
We're just doing our day-to-dayroutine and inevitably
something happens.
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That kind of takes you intothat whole new perspective of
things and I find that reallytimely.
And I bring that up becauseobviously right now there seems
to be such a to me anyway, andespecially for someone who is
not maybe as into it every day.
We don't government, you know,releasing data.
We've got people where it'sgetting a little bit more
(07:55):
mainstream than it used to be,or at least at least a little
bit more acceptable, where ifyou say, hey, I saw a ufo,
somebody doesn't look at yousideways and go.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I think this guy's kind of crazy I've gotten a few
of those looks I'm sure you'msure, yeah, yeah, I mean, when I
got into this my, you know, itkind of split the family a
little bit.
I have five brothers andsisters and there were the
believers and the non-believers.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, they thought I had lost my mind.
We have that as well.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah I think we , we definitely fall in that
camp because, uh, you know, II'm originally from the West
coast.
Um, and you know, with as muchof uh, especially when I lived
in Arizona, we had a lot of uh,you know, a lot of open sky,
could see a lot of things, and Ithink sometimes we would see
(08:57):
things in the sky at night andjust go, yeah, okay, we know
it's there, but acknowledge andjust keep going.
You know, but, um, you know,and then the Travis Walton thing
came out and that was reallybig for us when I was a kid, you
know, hearing about the fire inthe sky and the movie and
everything but um, but that'swhen I first started kind of key
into it.
But, um, with that, uh, one ofthe things I wanted to talk to
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you especially, I'm actuallyfrom the West Coast, I was
raised in.
Well, in my early years I was inTucson, arizona.
Then my formidable years I wasin San Diego, california, and I
find it odd, because I waswatching something with you on
it and you were talking aboutthe USO incident and I think I
believe Catalina Island, Ibelieve, is what it is.
(09:42):
Could you mind talking aboutthat a little bit?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Sure, yeah, you know, when I started investigating in
1988 is when I buckled downbecause it took me a year or two
to wrap my head around this.
I mean, I immediately you knowliving very close to the
coastline in Topanga Canyon,which is right outside of LA,
Right in Topanga Canyon which isright outside of LA.
I started to get reports rightaway, right off the bat, of what
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we would call USOs unidentifiedsubmersible objects.
I remember the first one wasfrom a therapist actually Linda
Young was her name driving alongthe Pacific Coast Highway and
saw what she thought was a boat.
It was floating on the water,but it didn't look like a boat,
it was just this enormous,bright white light.
And she turned to the guy whowas driving, said look, what is
(10:32):
that?
And as soon as he looked, thisdarn thing took off straight up
and disappeared.
So that was my first report.
Then I got another report froma guy who's a doctor and he
lived in Malibu, right on thebeach and he saw a USO.
I started getting a lot more ofthese reports of these objects
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coming into the water, comingout of the water, sometimes both
.
That's really rare, but thereare cases.
That's really rare, but thereare cases, right.
And started really looking intoit.
After getting so many and getthis.
I cataloged 150 cases, wow,right along that stretch of
coastline between CatalinaIsland and the mainland Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's so impressive.
It's wild, that's so impressiveand it kind of turns a key in
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your head that says, if you arein that belief system and you
believe that if there arevisitors or however you,
whatever narrative you feel youbelieve it almost seems
conceivable that there would besome sort of underwater, because
that's the majority of ourplanet, and if you wanted to
stay somewhat stealthy, thatwould be the way to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
But wasn't that when you did the Valentich episode in
Australia, somebody sawsomething coming up out of the
water on that one as well?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Wow, yeah, I think it goes on a lot more than people
realize it just wasn't gettingany attention until recently.
Yeah, and that the go to guyfor USOs.
I don't know how that happened.
Well, I mean maybe 150cataloged events.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That's for sure, no kidding, that's awesome and if I
remember this correctly, and ifat least I have my facts right,
that's sort of the tic-tacsighting.
I was in the Navy for a whileand not then, but it's been a
while for a while and not then,but it's been a while but when I
was in.
You know, my understanding isespecially where they saw this
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and how carrier air groups work.
It's really surprising to methat that actually got out and
that there is that tangibleevidence because, having been in
that world, that's informationthat doesn't get released
without a lot of people signingoff on it and um, if I remember
correctly, now it's with thetic-tac situation.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
right, yeah, I agree.
And really makes me wonderreally how many reports there
are that we don't hear about oh,for sure I yeah, I always ask
people when I interviewed them,like, how did you report your
sighting to the police?
You know the air force to moveon mutual ufo network or any
organization almost never dothey do.
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So you could 150 reports.
I think you could times up, youknow, let's be frugal and just
say 10 that would be a hundred,but really it would be a more
accurate times it by a hundred.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah right, gosh, that's something else and it's
it.
It just.
It's amazing to me that justthat small little portion of it,
um, and especially with all theinformation in your book that
we're going to get to here butto know that just that little
part of it even you yourself hascataloged 150 different uh
(14:10):
reports.
So it's like you're right ifyou take just that small little
bit of it and expound it on whatcould actually be out there and
that people have seen.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean, that's just in California a little bit of
area, so the entire world youcan only imagine what there is
Sure.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, I appreciate you talking to the general
public realizes.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh yeah, for sure.
And you know, since startingthis, this show, you know that's
kind of what we do.
We're, we're kind of middle ofthe road.
We, you know, give, giveinformation out and let people
kind of decide what you know,what it is they want to,
whatever they feel they want tobelieve.
But you're right, I think, if,if a lot of this got out more,
it wouldn't be so taboo yeahtaboo, that was a great way to
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say it, but kind of kind ofleaning into the wind a little
bit.
We have this great book thatwe've we've both read, we're big
fans of it.
Could you tell us a little bit?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
briefly about your new book, humanoids and High
Strangeness.
Yeah, I'm super excited aboutthis one for a lot of reasons.
Each chapter focuses on peoplewho've had direct face-to-face
contact with humanoids of somekind, so we're moving well
beyond simple sightings here.
A number of them do involve notonly face-to-face contact but
onboard experiences as well, anda wide variety of humanoids.
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I think the greys, as we callthem, get a lot of attention,
but there's a lot more manydifferent types that people see.
So yeah, grays, for sure, Imostly get grays 50%, 60%, but
also human-looking very muchlike us, or praying mantis, ets.
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Or there's a case involving thelittle blue beings, or hairy
dwarves, tall whites, manydifferent kinds, so I'm excited
about that.
Also I think it's reallyinteresting with this book
because I've got to cover casesnot only across the United
States, but there's some inCanada, two in South America,
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one let's see Argentina, one inBrazil, there's a case from
England, france, germany.
So you're getting across-cultural perspective,
which is important because thisis a worldwide phenomenon.
A lot of people are seeing this, and another theme that I
really wanted to dig into wasthe high strangeness, because I
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think there's a misconceptionthat when people have contact,
it's all about being taken onboard and physically examined by
greys and being put back.
Really, it's much more thanthat.
There's a very pronounced andprominent psychic and spiritual
and paranormal aspect to UFOencounters that I know actually
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gets edited out of some people'saccounts because I've talked to
them.
Their story is written up inanother book and we're like well
, they didn't put this part inwhich was how they started
having out-of-body experiencesor precognitive dreams, or I
mean, you name it, the entirerange of paranormal events.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, I got to be honest reading this.
It was so interesting and Iwill say almost every single
story.
The hair on my arms raised up alittle bit in the beginning
just because you haven't heardto this extent and how similar
they were between certain people.
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The same type of experience inthe beginning, afterwards, all
those types of things reallykind of gave me a different
perspective.
Just like you said, the typicalis, oh, they've been taken, cut
open and then put back, butthat is definitely not the case
in this book of what you read itis very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thank you.
Yeah, it's awesome to see theamazing commonalities and
corroborations from people whodon't even know each other and
live in different parts of thecountry and had completely.
How could they have these sameexact details if this wasn't
absolutely true?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
And in some cases they don't even speak the same
language.
So how could they collaborate?
Right, yeah, we, you know, Ifind it interesting because we
mentioned all the differenttypes of beings humanoids that
are kind of represented, ofbeings humanoids that are kind
of represented.
And you know, especially withmyself, I always sort of thought
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of, you know, sort of theclassic gray type thing with you
know, I always remember WhitleyStryber's book where, you know,
right in the front of it you'vegot this, you know, classic
gray humanoid alien, and in mymind that's always been the if
you have to have the, you knowthe gold star of what a, a
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species would look like if, ifthey were to visit us.
And it really took a long timeonce.
You know, especially readingbooks like yours and and and
talking to people who aresubject matter experts, where
you're like, why wouldn't itjust be one type of species?
Obviously there's got to bemore than one.
You know it would be almostridiculous to think that only if
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there was that capability, thatonly one type of entity or one
type of visitor would be justthis one particular type species
.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, I totally agree .
It's weird because, you know,I'd heard about ETs prior to
becoming involved in this field.
I kept hearing reports ofhumanoids.
I'm like, well, this soundskind of Star Trek-y to me, pure
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assumption based on reallynothing but my own prior beliefs
about you know with no actualknowledge base to it.
I was looking for ets that wouldhave tentacles and I mean like
the blob or something, orsomething completely different
for sure.
That's just not the case.
They're, and this is amazing tome that they are pretty much
universally all humanoid,bipedal beings with arms and
legs, head and so forth, andwith some looking just like us.
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This this has got some seriousimplications, I think, about who
these ets are and theirrelationship to us and, frankly,
where we come from if they lookjust like us.
What does that say about humanevolution?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
right right it certainly doesn't make it a
black and white case no, no inmy opinion anyway, yeah and I, I
was richard's story um.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You don't have to go into detail because I want
people to read your book andactually, you know, I just kind
of wanted to touch on somethingabout his implant.
He had an implant in the noseand he went to the doctor.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, Well, his daughter actually.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's right, the daughter yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's such an amazing case.
This guy is such a nice guy andreally wanted to do his part to
let people know his experience,because he knows there's a lot
of other people out there goingthrough this and it is kind of a
long story so I'll try toshorten it.
Yeah Right, but at age seven hesuddenly developed insomnia for
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no reason.
He could think of a fear ofintruders and just unable to
sleep at night and grew up intoan adult.
He was like 20, 22 years old andhis mom, inis, decided she's
going to quit smoking.
She's going to go to ahypnotherapist and quit smoking.
She said, richard, how aboutyou come with me and we'll have
the hypnotist work on yourinsomnia?
So long story short, they didand she recalled being taken on
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board, a craft and seeing herson.
Now he's in the waiting room.
He doesn't know this.
He goes to the hypnotherapistand recalls being taken on board
and being physically examinedby greys and he said it was
quite scary, though he doesn'tthink that they were mean or
evil or anything, it was just alittle frightening for a
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seven-year-old boy.
But, he does remember seeing hismom.
So they both corroborated eachother's story and afterwards she
says you know, richard, I hadan experience at age seven, so
that was when he had hisexperience.
So Richard grows up, getsmarried, has kids, has a
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seven-year-old daughter and he'swatching TV one day and turns
out to be a show on UFOs and animage of a gray ET comes on the
screen and his little daughter,seven years old, drops her
Barbies, her Barbie dolls, andruns up to him and starts
tugging on his arms, sayingDaddy, daddy, daddy.
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And he's like, stop, I'mwatching TV.
She's like no, no, no, it'simportant.
And finally he turns to her andsays what is it?
And she points to the TV, saidthat's what's coming into my
room at night and poking my nose.
So she was having unexplainednosebleeds at this time this is
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a sign of contact, sometimes.
Right.
And they went to the dentistbecause they had a scheduled
appointment.
They were going to take her tothe doctor after they went to
the dentist.
Because they had a scheduledappointment.
They were going to take her tothe doctor after they went to
the dentist, but they alreadyhad made this appointment.
So they went to the dentist andthe dentist takes the x-rays
and angrily comes up to Richardand says you're supposed to tell
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me if your daughter's hadsurgery or any kind of implant.
And Richard says what are youtalking about?
She's never had surgery, shedoesn't have an implant.
And the dentist says what areyou talking about?
She's never had surgery, shedoesn't have an implant.
And the dentist says well, yes,she does.
Here's the x-ray.
What's that?
And it showed this tiny littlerod embedded in her upper sinus,
and not in a way that she couldhave stuck something up there.
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This was embedded in thetissues.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And Richard's like well, I don't know what that is.
And he asked the dentist andthe dentist says I don't know,
let's leave it alone.
And Richard ended up going toanother doctor who refused to
make much comment on it orreally take any action
whatsoever, least take himseriously or take a look at it.
(24:52):
And finally he found a doctorwho took a look at the x-ray and
said okay, come to my office.
He closed the door and openedhis desk and pulled out this
file and handed it over, slid itacross the desk to Richard and
said if you tell anyone I showedyou this, I'm going to deny it.
And this was a governmentdocument which said to the
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doctor if you find any implant,any artificial object in
somebody, you are not to removeit, you are to leave it alone.
Removing it, you could facesevere fines, you could lose
your license, which is, inessence, what this document said
(25:35):
.
And he told the doctor, toldRichard, doctors all over the
across the United States receivethis document.
This is why you were gettingthe runaround with the other
doctors, because they know aboutthis.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That is just amazing, yeah like yeah, can you?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
imagine I just I was just like wow, wow, I mean I'm
not too surprised about that,but yeah, it's just like this
mass cover-up.
How has this lasted for so longthat we've never heard this
before?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
yeah, I mean, they're just terrified yeah, and have
an entire medical community haveto do the exact same thing.
That's so.
You know this is kind of alittle off topic, but um, I was
always a big fan of like philipk dick novels and stuff where
you get into this wholedystopian society and everything
and, uh, you know, you alwayssay to yourself, oh, that
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probably couldn't happen, peoplewouldn't do that.
And then that kind ofcooperation tells you that maybe
there is some truth to that,that there would be this
dystopian cover-up that says, no, we will not talk about that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, that's what really got me fired up to do UFO
research is when I found outthere was a cover-up which is so
easily provable I mean it'sundeniable, and it just burns me
up because this is our taxdollars.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They're calling us liars.
That made me angry and I wouldimagine it would make people.
I'm sorry let me cut you off,but yeah, I definitely agree
that would make a lot of people.
It did make me angry, justreading it from the book.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, I talked to another guy who had an implant
and had the x-rays or looked atthem and then went to the doctor
and requested them and got thex-rays and it had been
airbrushed out or altered insome way.
So this implant didn't showthere anymore.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So they're removing them from the x-rays.
That is so illegal on so manylevels.
It's not right, it's justunethical.
And doctors you know, take avow a hippocratic oath right,
right but.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I guess, if you look from their perspective.
They've went to school allthese years, you know to become
a doctor, and then you know it'sa risk of losing everything if
they say anything Right.
I mean, I know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's a HIPAA violation.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Morally that's illegal.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It is Wow.
But if the government comes inand tells you you can't do
something, most people listen.
Unfortunately, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Most people listen.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
unfortunately, that's crazy.
The other thing I noticed yeah,between all these stories, the
precognitive dreams after theabductions a lot of these people
have psychic abilities, thingslike that.
That was a commonality betweenthe majority of these stories I
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noticed in your book.
That just seems crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Like what would that be?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Like why are they getting these?
Just from being taken on boarda craft.
Yeah, isn't that amazing.
I felt the same way.
I'm like, wow, this is acommonality, this is more the
rule than the exception.
So I really made a point.
You know, having learned this,because it took some time to
like realize this is something alot of people are reporting, I
didn't know to ask thesequestions Now.
I do it's funny to hear thesepeople say well, actually, yeah,
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I do have dreams that come trueall the time.
It freaks me out, and it didn'tstart until I started having
contact.
It's not always the case.
Some people are psychic before,but definitely after, so I
think there's something going onhere.
And in fact I've talked toenough contactees who were told
by the ETs.
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I said this is our gift to you.
I've heard that same phrase atleast three times.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Really.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
People were told that by the ETs.
This is our gift to you forhaving worked with us.
So they are absolutely.
I think there's something aboutthe experience itself which
ignites your psychic abilitiesbecause, for a number of reasons
, when you're taken on board,they are communicating
telepathically right.
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Ets themselves are very psychic.
I mean walking through walls andlevitating and doing telepathy
and definitely can perceivefuture events because they give
warnings and stuff all the time.
So I think this is one of theirgoals with people is to wake us
up to our own supernaturalabilities.
(30:18):
I don't like to call themsupernatural, because I think
they're actually natural I dotoo right, you've just been so
closed off for so long yeah,yeah we do have the ability to
do astral projection and pastlife recall and healing and
remote viewing and mediumshipand precognition is a big one.
Richard himself had manyexamples where he got really
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well known in his family.
He'd write them down inenvelopes and seal them so he
could prove it to people hesaved his daughter from being
killed.
Basically he said you know what?
I saw you working on a car, thejack falling, and you being
crushed.
She's like, well, actually I'msupposed to work on the car
tomorrow.
She says don't go under thatcar.
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And she did.
She went under it and thenremembered and quickly got out
and told everyone get out fromunder the car, get out.
And no sooner had they all gotout from under this car when it
collapsed.
She called him crying.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, that would make me cry, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Can you imagine he says it really bothers him.
He's like I don't know why thisis happening.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it's difficult because a lot of the times
people are seeing tragedies ornegative events.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Which I think it's good to have a warning.
It is I think it was his son.
He asked his son do you drivewith a water bottle between your
legs?
Because he had seen this.
He had seen the water bottleslipping down and getting under
the brake and causing anaccident.
And his son said well, yeah, Ido.
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He said don't do that.
Don't do that.
It's like why.
What are you talking about?
He says just don't do it.
Well, he did it, and of coursethe bottle slid right under the
brake pedal and he rear-endedsomebody.
So I'm sorry, dad, I shouldhave listened to you yeah, which
are most.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Most kids say their parents after that they've been
told not to do something.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I find that so interesting because and you
touched on a little bit that youknow, during the experience, um
, when, when, when they'retaking a board, or even just
even in some of the cases in thebook where they're sort of
checking back up on some ofthese people, um, that gift
almost seems like, hey, we'regiving this to you because
that's the way we communicate,so it's it's almost like a way
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of almost like a transceiver orsome kind of radio to be able to
still not just talk to them butmonitor them and and look out
for them.
You know, um, especially withsome of the stories in there and
um, you know, Birch being oneof them um, them, um, where you
know you kind of have thatfeeling like it's it's not just
a gift, it's almost like a tool,a way for it's a radio, almost.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
To me, walkie talkie yeah yeah, I agree, and just
imagine if all of us were atthat level where we could
communicate telepathically andread each other's minds and know
if someone's lying or, you know, consumed with greed and
corruption.
It could change the world.
It, sure would it wouldabsolutely make a huge
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difference.
It's time that we all cometogether and just start, you
know, living with truth andcompassion and love for each
other.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I think it's what they're trying so hard to do.
Uh, we're spiritually bereft ina lot of ways.
That's causing all kinds ofproblems, and they're trying to
wake people up.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
And speaking on that, I'm going to go on to the next
topic because you know this isnot the first time I've kind of
heard about warnings, and youmentioned it a little bit
earlier about warnings.
If you want to talk a littlebit about the mantis beings and
showing us humans images, I'mjust going to say images and let
you fill in the rest.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, this is something I do hear a lot from
really all different types ofETs, but I love that particular
case loving a lady named Sandrawho was just a little girl Gosh,
let me see, I think she was 12years old.
I've got my notes right herebecause I know she was pretty
young oh, no, eight.
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She was eight years old when shehad this experience in
Albuquerque, new mexico, andthis is some time ago, 1947, and
she had a friend who livedabout a mile away on a
reservation and so she wouldperiodically ride her bicycle to
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her friend's house and sheasked her mom one early one well
, not too early, but in themorning if she could go over and
visit her friend her mom'shouse.
And she asked her mom one earlywell, not too early, but in the
morning if she could go overand visit her friend Her mom's
like.
Sure, of course.
So Sandra got on her bike andwas going down this road, which
is not a busy road, and wasabout halfway there when this
shadow came over the road andshe looks up and sees this craft
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landing, plunk right on theroad in front of her.
Covers the road from one sideto the other.
So not a huge craft, butdefinitely not small either
you're not going to miss it no,you can't get by it right.
And she stops on her bike and islooking at this thing and a
door opens and there's a figurein there and she's like, oh my,
(35:29):
that looks like a six foot tallbug.
And sets down her bike becausethis figure is beckoning towards
her and as she gets close, seesit Well, this is kind of like a
praying mantis At age eight.
I'm not sure if she knew inhindsight and I was like yeah
that looked like a praying man,mantis, right, but it was very
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friendly and kind of beckonedher to come on board, and which
she did, because she's like, wow, this is interesting.
She had no fear.
And once on board, this beingsays you can call me mother,
which I thought was reallyinteresting.
That is interesting, yeah.
And she saw these little, shortlittle beings which she first
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thought were kids because theywere kind of skipping around and
chirp, chirping and chirpingand being very playful, and
she's looking at them.
She's like, oh, these aren'tkids.
They're bald, they have darkeyes, gray skin, large heads,
they're grays.
Back then there was no term forthat, but later again, in
hindsight, she's like, oh,that's what they were, because
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eventually this did get into themedia and she says, she, they
led her on to the craft, whichis rounded, much larger on the
inside than on the outside,which is a neat detail I hear
from people very clean, verysparse, not a whole lot in there
.
They took her to one of thewindows and she was amazed to
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see that it was nothing butstars out there.
She had just been on the groundand she was amazed to see that
it was nothing but stars outthere.
She had just been on the groundand she didn't feel any
movement.
She's like, wow, we're alreadyin outer space.
This is crazy.
And they took her to the centerof the room where there was this
little kind of like a TV.
She didn't have a TV at thattime, but later she was like
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that's what it looked like andit was projecting this hologram
in full living color not superlarge, a couple of feet by a
couple of feet of full colorimages and they were moving and
she's looking at them andfocusing on them and she sees
that these were scenes of warTanks on the streets and
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soldiers fighting and bombsexploding and this sort of thing
.
And they told her, basically,that this is going to happen,
that humanity is on the wrongpath and that you need to do
your part to tell people thatthis is not right.
And she's thinking to herselfwell, I'm eight years old, what
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do you want me to do?
I'm just a kid.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I haven't got so much leverage.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And she did not tell her parents.
After she got returned.
They were searching for her, bythe way, going up and down that
road looking for her, and shewas not there.
And apparently they had takenher bike too, because the bike
wasn't there either.
But after going down that roada fourth time, they found her
lying next to her bike.
She was in a daze, so she wasphysically taken.
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And I asked her you know whatdid you tell your parents?
She said no, no, are youkidding?
They're not going to believe me.
She did try telling.
she did tell her grandmother,because her grandmother said oh
yeah, I've seen beings when Iwas a little girl, your age,
this is generational.
But yeah, they gave herwarnings.
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She tried telling her schoolfriends but they just kind of
laughed at her.
So she ended up keeping prettyquiet about it for a long, long
time.
But not the only case like thatin the book.
There's another lady, susan,who had the same sort of thing
where she was given warningsabout our warlike ways.
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Showed same, really almostexactly the same, yeah.
So it's astonishing to me thatthey're doing this.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I'm glad you brought up Susan, because I copied down
the quote from her in the bookand I'd like to read it because
I think it was so profound.
I think so.
Basically, she says the imageswere exactly the same thing that
I remember seeing in thoserecurring dreams as a child the
military tanks in the street,bombs and destruction around us,
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dark skies and starvation.
If we don't change our ways andyou can't make a difference,
this will happen.
We would have wars in ourstreets and chaos.
Every one of you have got tomake a change because if you
don't, this is what's going tohappen.
It stressed my responsibilityas a human being to do my best
and pass on the word to others.
It showed me the urgency tostop the warlock ways on this
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planet or we would perish.
It showed me that love, andnothing but love, will change
this world, and I just thoughtthat was just an amazing quote
from her, and once againspeaking about love and trying
to come together and changethings.
They're attempting, they'retrying to help us, help us help
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ourselves?
I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, it's a beautiful statement, and when?
I hear it quite often and itreally concerns me when I hear
these fear-based accounts ofpeople saying, ah, this was a
terrible thing, and some of thisis flat out lies and
disinformation.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Some people are truly terrified.
I get it.
It's not always easy.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No no.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But when I keep hearing this, it's like well,
clearly they're concerned, right, they're concerned about our
well-being, so this, I think,speaks towards their benevolence
.
There's so many cases like this.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I know so many.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
If you get a message, it's going to be along those
lines.
Be along those lines.
You know, warnings againstnuclear proliferation or warlike
ways, the destruction of theenvironment um psychos
development.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
You know spiritual morals right, so and I just want
to mention it really speaks tothings hard yeah, and I, yeah, I
just want to mention it reallyquick, um, because of time, but
um, we did an episode on the ufoin zimbabwe, the aerial school
and all the kids I'm sure you'refamiliar with it and that was
my first account.
(41:47):
I, when I came across that, Iwas just like it, just I had no
words.
It really impacted me and I Ibring it up all the time
whenever we do an episode onufos, because appearing to
children, um, and all thistelepathic and basically showing
them you know how theenvironment, how we're, you know
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destroying the earth, basically, and like giving them warnings
once again, like we don't stopthis, your entire planet's going
to be burning.
You know you're going to havenothing left.
You need to take care of theplanet.
And that really impacted me.
It's just they're just warningus over and over.
And then when I read your book,I was like, oh my gosh.
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They're warning us to stop withthe fighting, stop with this and
stuff.
It's like they're just tryingto help us.
It's just I don't know.
It's shocking to me because youdon't really hear about it that
much.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, just I don't know it's shocking to me because
you don't really hear about itthat much.
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
In fact, I know that case well.
It made me cry.
It really did.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah it made me cry too the the one, the one about
the yeah but the one kid sayingsomething about.
They showed him pictures of,like, the trees all burning um
and the planet burning it.
It real, really did.
It brought tears to my eyes.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
It was really, really sad it hits really hard because
you know if, if, obviously andI would understand that there's
got to be, if there's severaldifferent species, I'm sure
there's got to be bad actors, soto speak.
You know out there that may wantto cause us harm, but at this
particular point nobody has.
(43:28):
And the only thing that we'veseen up to this point is all
these cases where they're,they're truly trying to help us
out.
Um, especially in the case of,you know, like you'd mentioned,
with the two in your book andwith the aerial school, um, you
know, if in fact we're tobelieve, you know the humanoid
existence and you know if that'swhat that's the feeling that
everybody has when they, whenthey look at this.
(43:49):
You know they're almost like areflection of us in a way too.
I know there's a lot of beliefthat that we come from, or you
know at least have some kind ofof lineage, so to speak.
But it almost seems likewouldn't that be something that
a caring group or caringindividual would want to do?
Is to help out someone thatthey see clearly not on the
(44:12):
right path.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I think we do share a commonheritage with them.
That's certainly the messagecontactees get.
I've talked to so many peoplewho've had this experience and,
while it can be scary, I've gotno cases of what I would call
sadistic behavior orintentionally hurting or even
trying to scare somebody.
(44:35):
That's us putting our owncultural mores and behavior onto
them, Transference kind of.
We're the ones who are hurtingeach other.
It's the people on Earth I'mmore concerned about having
contact with than the ETs.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
The schoolyard cases are so amazing Because when I
heard about the Rua Zimbabwecase, I instantly thought of
well, there's that case inAustralia, the Westall High
School.
Yeah, wait, there's that one inOpelika, florida, the Crestview
Elementary School, broadhavenElementary School in Wales, the
Hillsdale College incident.
(45:14):
That's still, you know youngpeople.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I started digging deeper and I found a hundred
cases of UFOs hovering overschools or actually landing next
to them.
Humanoids are coming out in onethird of the cases.
These are very long lasting lowlevel daylight sightings.
Really a strong introduction tothe phenomena, strong
(45:43):
introduction to the phenomenaand I think a very effective
method of announcing theirpresence and really sort of
cementing the idea that we arenot alone into popular culture.
It's just boy, those schoolyardkids are so poignant, really
touching, yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
So I, I saw that you had a book on that, because I
looked over, because you've gotwhat like 30 books that you've
written so and I was kind ofgrazing over them like oh,
that's the next one I'm readingbecause, the Zimbabwe case like
really got me amped and so Ireally want to check that out
next and read about those,because I mean, if you're going
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to appear to anyone, adults kindof have their already
preconceived notions Right, andwe don't like to bend very
easily we're jaded at that pointright, right.
So you appear to kids becausekids are more open, they're more
likely to listen, and it'sgoing to impact them for the
rest of their life and thenmaybe, when they become adults,
they'll try to do the rightthing.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Right, I mean that's that's what I think they're
doing.
A lot of them have never heardof a UFO.
They don't have fear of someonewho looks a little different.
Right, it's a concept.
It's so amazing to hear theirtestimony.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, yeah.
They have no idea.
To them there's no concept ofanything other than what they
know.
So you know they don't have anypreconceived notions, so that
when something like that doeshappen, not only does it add,
you know, some levity to itbecause you know it's a child,
but it also they're not thegreatest liars.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
They're gonna tell you straight well, and they're,
they're very curious, especiallyat that age.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
For sure super excellent witnesses, really
people like well, it's just achild.
I'm like, well, wait a second.
They don't have a belief systemwhere they filter everything
through.
Yeah, I've interviewed a lot ofadults who are like, well, I
saw a demon.
I'm like, well, no, just tellme what you saw.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Don't try to interpret it.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Just explain to me exactly what you saw.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I love about children because they're sponges and
they soak up knowledge andthey're very good observers
actually.
In those school yard cases it'snot just one kid, it's usually
a whole crowd of them and theteachers.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
In more than half the cases the teachers are going.
Oh right, for sure.
Yeah, well, I know the aerialschool.
It was like what?
60 kids or something like thatit was quite a few and they, you
know, and we had this on ourepisode I made sure they had
them draw what they saw in theaccounts, in kid pictures, I
mean, the craft looked verysimilar in shape and size and
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what they saw and what theyheard.
And it's just kids can't, theycan't come together, 60 of them
and collaborate and be like okay, this is what we're going to
say, this is what we're going todraw.
Adults can't they.
Adults, adults can't even dothat.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I was going to say it's hard enough for us to do
yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
But yeah, but kids, it's just it.
Really I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Well, one of the things I had wanted to ask you
was do you have a particularcase that you were really fond
of, or is it kind of with thecause I know you, you kind of
mentioned that kind of strikes achord with the uh, with the
child visitations and the andthe schoolyards, is that kind of
where, where you've, you willfind you more fascinated in as
far as cases.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh, it's very hard to pick because I've interviewed a
lot of people.
I mean schoolyard cases was itknocked my socks off.
I'd been in this field for some30 years already and I had no
idea that was a thing.
But I'd say, of all the casesI've ever investigated overall,
there's a few that absolutelystand out, and one would be
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involving a nurse by the name ofDolly Safran, who I ended up
writing a whole book on becauseher case is the most extensive
I've ever had the privilege toresearch A former nurse and
worked in the Department ofDefense a really good witness a
lifeguard, a zookeeper and thisamazing woman who had, from age
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14 onwards, fully consciouscontact, no missing time.
She remembers she's notfrightened and has worked very
closely with greys mostly, butdifferent types of ETs, and
they've taught her so much.
They taught her actually how tofly the craft and how they fly.
She sits in the seat and fliesthem.
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I know how this might sound toa skeptic, but I've already
received a number of cases likethat.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Not as extensive Okay that's a book I'm writing.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, her case.
I ended up writing a whole bookon that called Symmetry.
I can talk for hours and hourson just her case alone.
It's, hands down, my favorite,I would say.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I could see why.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
To be honest with you .
Speaker 1 (50:21):
That's the first time I've ever heard of something
like that my favorite, I wouldsay.
I could see why that is.
To be honest with you, that'sthe first time I've ever heard
of something like that.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Yeah, I haven't heard that one.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
That is pretty profound.
Oh, no, it's true, that is wild.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Grant Cameron he's a Canadian researcher wrote a book
called Sky Pilots.
He interviewed some 60 peoplewho had that experience.
I'm like yes.
Wow, I'm people who've had thatexperience.
I'm like, yes, I'm so gladbecause I tell people this and
they're like you're kidding.
I'm like, no, no, no, this is athing.
They will give you a tour ofthe craft.
They'll take you down to theengine room, they'll take you up
to the observation deck, to thecontrol room, and tell you how
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they fly.
We'll sit you down in the seat.
It's if you can just move pastthe fear of contact.
Um, it changes completely,because no one likes being
physically examined, and thatdoes happen, right, who likes
going to the doctor?
And especially if the doctor isa little different?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
well, yeah, but for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
But that's why they pull people on board is to heal
them.
I wrote a book on just healingssome 300 cases.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Really, I'll have to read that one too.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
If you look at the onboard experience and what
actually happens and throwingaway what you think happens,
looking what actually happensyou'll see it's a very
benevolent experience overall.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I got to admit I'm a little gobsmacked Threw me for a
loop I.
I had no idea that that wasn't.
That was an actual uh reporteduh encounter, that is, I'll
admit, I'm floored.
Thank you for sharing thatbecause uh yeah you know,
learning something new every day, and it's just amazing because
I had no idea that even I'venever heard that before.
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Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Ever First time I heard it.
I'm like what, what are youtelling me?
Boom, Wow.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Well, here we are.
You know we've talked about thebook and, by the way,
absolutely love it.
I know we've talked about itand we hail it, but it was
definitely one of those whereand I know Nicole mentioned it,
you know, there were times whereI'm like I may want to read
some of this during the daylightbecause it's just a little I've
.
I've had incidences that that Ihave personal, that I've
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experienced, and I'm and I'msure Nicole has too and we we
talk a little bit about it, butsome of it hit a little close to
home.
So it was like but aside fromthe book, do you want to talk
more about?
You know kind of what you'vegot going on?
And you know, is it just thebook or I know that you've got
some other ventures going on orthe money to afford books and
(53:00):
stuff.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I have a podcast I do , actually, with Dolly Safran,
who's the one I just talkedabout, called the Light Gate,
where we're interviewing some ofthe witnesses that I get to
interview and bring theirstories for, or other
researchers and experiencers,always working on new projects,
new books.
So I'm keeping busy for sure.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
This is an important subject Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
With the uptick of sightings and with the
government coming out, I'm surepeople maybe feel a little bit
more comfortable in speakingwith you now as opposed to
before.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
For sure.
Do you feel they're evenletting me use their names?
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Yeah, that's amazing.
And not pseudo names.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And I know I touched on a little bit before and I
just spoke about on my end butdo you feel that fever pitch?
Do you feel like we're almostat a tipping point, that there's
something kind of about tohappen, or do you feel it's
always been there and we're justnow being aware of it, or do
you feel it's always?
Speaker 2 (54:02):
been there and we're just now being aware of it.
I think that events areescalating, in terms of public
awareness for sure, anddisclosure does seem to be
ramping up.
I honestly don't feel ourgovernments or people behind the
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cover-up the secret government,if you will are ever going to
be truthful or transparent.
I think it's a waste of time tolook to them for answers,
because they've lied from dayone and are still lying.
They are saying well, we don'thave enough evidence.
Yes, you do.
Yeah, you know exactly what thisis right, so I'm a little bit
on the fence about that, butit's amazing to see this subject
being, like you said, pushedinto the mainstream, being
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discussed on 60 minutes and allthese tv programs about it and
people coming forth in largenumbers and whistleblowers.
It's a absolute new age.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
I would say a complete turnaround from how
it's been for a long, long time,for sure I mean we, I'm a I'm a
fan of a lot yeah, absolutely,and and I'm a fan of a lot of
stuff and kind of a little offscript, but, um, you know, we
listen to, I listen to smartlist, you know, with all the
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jason bateman and all those guys, and I never thought I would be
in the car driving to the storeand literally on their episode
talk about the ufo.
Um, uh, hearings in thegovernment.
I'm like, wow, that that is thelast place.
I would have ever thought thatsomething like that would
actually be brought up and howmainstream it's it's become I
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just think, they finally had tosay something, something because
we all have cell phones.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
We can all videotape?
We can.
We know, everybody knowsthere's something.
So they had to come out and saysomething probably won't get
any information, like you said,but yeah, they're real.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
If they didn't say something, they were going to
look like idiots Irrelevant, notbelievable.
You have to.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Exactly Like yeah, they're real.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Listen, Preston, we know you're.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
We're so glad you took the time to sit down with
us.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, and we thank you so much.
But yeah again, our audience.
Please pick up humanoids andhigh strangeness.
It's a fantastic book 20 truestories.
You won't get bored because,trust me, there's no boredom in
it.
It is a page turner and it's 20stories that literally leave
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you guessing for a lot ofdifferent things.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
We heard each other reading it and I had read it
first.
I read it first and he washearing me, and then, when he
read it, I hear him go.
Hmm, I'm like which part areyou?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
at.
Yeah it was fun, but uh, butthanks again, and uh, we'll, uh,
we'll, let you get back sometime.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, thanks very much for having me on the show.
It's an honor and a delight, soI truly appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Thank you on the show , it's an honor and a delight,
so I truly appreciate it.
Thank you, thank you well thatwas a lot of information.
It was a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
My mind is literally blown um that with driving the
ufo, with with being allowed todrive, I mean wow, yeah, yeah
that's I mean.
I know I never heard anythinglike that and Mm-mm, I mean.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
No, and we know a lot more than probably the
listeners because we've readthis one book of his Right Out
of the 30.
Yeah, you should really gocheck him out.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yes, check him out, by all means.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
It is something you probably never heard before.
I mean, there's some things, afew that they touch on, but I
had never no.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
No, I mean you can tell we're pretty at a loss for
words because of the interviewyou just witnessed and just the
fact that there's so much morein this book.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
We just touched on a few things.
Layers, layers, layers, yes, yesyes, so definitely check out
his books.
He also has a website you cango to and check out all all the
goods on him.
It's wwwprestindenitweeblycom.
That's w-e-e-b-l-y, and so youcan go check him out there.
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Yeah, and we kind of want to umin this show from another.
This is a quote by preston inin his book and I just kind of
want to go out with this.
Sounds good to me, okay, sothese are preston's words.
For me, the real takeaway fromall these accounts is that the
ufo experience ultimately ahuman experience, a reminder
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that we live in a wonderfullymysterious universe with
infinite possibilities.
High strangeness is really onlyin our minds.
If all these cases wereacknowledged more openly and
discussed with frank honesty,they would cease to be
considered strange and wouldinstead be viewed for what they
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really are part of the adventureof being a human on planet
Earth.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you
next week.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
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