Tony Rathman Interview: Exploring Staticom 3.0 and Spirit Communication

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Tony Rathman (00:00):
So Staticom, which was direct radio voice.
The changes we made were A weremoved the radio.
Why?
Any skeptic, any scientist isgoing to say to you you're using
a device that brings incommunication speech and you're
claiming you're getting speechfrom the other side.

(00:23):
How do you determine receptionfrom deception?
Great point, I mean.
That made total sense.
Thank you.

Logan Mathias (01:13):
Well, hey everybody, welcome back.
Hey everyone, I'm Logan and I'mNicole and we are Generation X
Paranormal.
So we've got yet anotherwonderful show.
Always, always.
I didn't say fantastic, and Ididn't say Fantastic's my word.

Nicole Mathias (01:27):
That's right, that's what I use.

At least I'm not saying 30,000 foot view.
That's true.
That's for you, mark, that's ashout out for Mark and Jim and
Tina and everybody else who gaveme a hard time at Paracon.
Yes, guys, I know I say 30,000foot view a lot.
It is what it is.
I can't help it.
I've said fly over now a littlebit, maybe that makes it better

(01:51):
.
I don't know.

No, not really.

Fair enough.
But listen, we've got a greatshow.
We've got Tony Rathman on andhe's got some interesting.
He's got a very interesting wayof talking to well, really just
recording paranormal events.

So tell us a little something about tony so
tony rathman is the founder andlead investigator of entity
voices paranormal investigations, located in phoenix, arizona,
and has spent the last 15 yearsfascinated with instrumental
trans communication, researchand building spirit boxes to
discovering the truths aboutspirits, entities and life after

(02:29):
death.
Tony specializes in spiritcommunication through both EVP
and ITC, also known asinstrumental trans communication
, and today focuses on thegroundbreaking technology called
Staticom, derived from theEuropean methodology of ITC,
known as direct radio voice.

Nice.
I like the way he says Staticom, the way I say yeah, you went
Staticom.
It's like should I hire you forlike an ad or something.

I'm available.

Let's talk to Tony.
Well, hey, Tony, how you doing.

I'm doing great.
Thank you for having me on,looking forward to this
conversation.
It's a pleasure to be here.

Awesome, no, we're excited.
Welcome to Generation XParanormal.
We definitely have been excitedto talk to you because I think
that anybody who does any kindof paranormal research typically
knows that you kind of haveyour regular analog devices and
you take with you and you know,for lesser better, some work,
some don't, some are good, someare bad.

(03:30):
And then we've kind of usheredinto the new age of ITC and
we've ushered into, you know,people can bring phones with
them and they have differentapps.
You know, like obviously thebig one of being GhostTube and
things like that.
And I know that with thisparticular, this particular

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vertical in our little world canget a little bit dicey and some
people have certain feelingsfor it, some people don't.
But hopefully we can kind ofdispel a lot of that and just
kind of get to the meat andpotatoes of what you got going
on.
But kind of before we jump intothat, do you mind giving our
audience a little bit of a kindof a background from you and

(04:13):
kind of what got you to thispoint?

Sure.
Well, we've been now involvedin paranormal investigation and
ITC research for 15 yearsinvestigation and ITC research
for 15 years.
Back in 2010, my father was aphysics professor and I didn't
believe any of this.
There was no talk about spirits, ghosts, I mean.

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I would ask a simple question,like Dad why is the sky blue?
And he'd say well, there'swater vapor in the air.
When it gets hit by thesunlight, Blue is the most
reflective color.
That color reflects out ontothe atmosphere and makes the sky
look blue.
So everything to me growing upwas scientific answers which are

(04:57):
correct.
I mean, don't get me wrong,Science holds a very astute
place in the environment andthey, scientists, determine
behavior, future behavior, basedon certain situations.
But it doesn't explain whatsomething is.
So when we started, my wife isthe one who had the interest.

(05:24):
I did not, and the TV showsjust started to come out and she
watched every single one ofthem, and every time she was
watching, she's like come on,come on, come, sit with me,
You've got to see this, You'regoing to love it.
I would last about two minutesand say, no, this isn't real,
None of this exists, this is forTV only.

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And I'd get up and I'd walkaway.
Well then, in 2010, it wasValentine's Day weekend and
normally her and I would go to ahotel we're in Arizona, so even
in February you can swim We'dhave drinks, have a great
weekend.
And she said I want to dosomething different.

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I said, okay, what do you wantto do?
She goes, I want to go ghosthunting.
And I was like, oh my God, areyou kidding me?
I had two choices I could takeher or I could have her mad at
me until next Valentine's day.
So I didn't want thatValentine's Day.
So I didn't want that.
So I did some research online,found a hotel in downtown

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Phoenix that had a reputationsupposedly in my mind anyway
that was haunted.
So I said, okay, I booked itfor the weekend.
I thought I'm done.
And then she was watching ashow a couple days before and I
noticed they had all thesegadgets and I'm like, ah, she's
going to need this stuff.
So I went out and I bought her anight vision camera, a digital

(06:51):
recorder and an EMF meter.
I figured that'll get herthrough the weekend, because I
figured, after we were done,this stuff would sit in the
closet for a year or two untilwe threw it away.
Well, anyway, so we went.
She had a great time.
I played along like I washaving fun too.
I was asking questions for thedigital recorder.

(07:12):
I was also taking pictures, ifshe was videotaping, so you know
, I played along the best Icould.
She had fun.
That was all I care about.
When we got home, though, shestarted going through everything
the photos, the video, thedigital recording.
She was calling me over everytwo to three minutes.

(07:34):
Whose voice is this?
You and I were the only one.
Up at two in the morning, threein the morning, there were only
two other guests in the entire312-room hotel, so nobody was
around, and we were in parts ofthe hotel we probably weren't
even supposed to be, so nobodywas there.
Yet there were vocal responseson the recorder with timing and

(07:58):
relevance to the questions thatwe asked, so I was shocked.
Then we started noticing thingsin the pictures that weren't
there when we took it, likeglowing light effects and some
shadowy looking things.
And then the ultimate one onour very first investigation

(08:20):
ever, she caught an apparitionon video which stood still at
first.
Then it walked past the walland disappeared right on video
Wow.
Got the Holy Grail right out thegate, right, I mean.
So, being a total skeptic, Ispent the last month or two
trying to figure out what's thereasonable explanation for this.

(08:43):
Couldn't find one, so finally Isaid to her let's go back.
Maybe there was a vent when wewere doing the digital recording
where voices were comingthrough.
Maybe there was a light shiningthrough some window we didn't
notice outside and it wascausing a reflection on the
camera lens.
And I don't know what to sayabout the woman that was on the

(09:06):
video, but I said let's go takea look.
So we went back like a weeklater and went to the same
places.
We went the first time, checkedout everything no, no windows
with light shining through, novents that we could have any
vocals coming through.
And then we came back.
She started reviewing again.

(09:27):
We had even more.
So I'm like, okay, something'ssomething's gone.
So then we started investigatingum, I think we investigated
that particular hotel over 50times, because we were there two
, three times a week um, just tosee what we could catch.
And then, of course, webranched out.
We branched out to historicplaces, haunted locations.

(09:49):
Then we covered all of Arizona,then we moved on to Nevada, new
Mexico, california, and justkept spreading out.
Then we started moving acrossthe country.
We've been from East Coast toWest Coast to just about every
location in between.
We've been from East Coast toWest Coast to just about every
location in between.
Then we took it overseas.
We've investigated in Japan,we've investigated in the

(10:10):
Philippines and we've got otherplaces on our list.
But the most incredible thingfor us was a vocal, because from
it and I don't care what othergadget you have, and we have
them all we have closets packedwith cases full of equipment.

We know the feeling.

Yeah, but you could never beat a vocal
response because, a you didn'tknow it was coming.
Two, I could tell if it wasmale or female.
I could tell if it was an adultor a child.
I could tell their emotionalstate Were they happy, were they
upset, were they angry, werethey fearful.

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I could tell what language theywere speaking.
I could tell if they carried anaccent, a territorial dialect
or even speaking a differentlanguage, all before I even
heard the answer that they gaveand that to me was just a bucket
full of information that Icouldn't get from some device

(11:14):
blinking a light or playingmusic or you know.
It was unmatchable.
So our focus in the first yearof investigating focused on EVP
and voices.
From there we moved to ITC andI have an electronics background
.
I used to fix radios andtelevisions when I was like

(11:35):
started, when I was like 16.
So I said I'm going to takethis thing apart, let's see how
this thing functions.
So I did.
Well then, for the next 12years we built them.
So in 12 years we built 14different spirit boxes, all
improving over the last onebuilt.
The only thing we couldn'timprove was the length of the

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communication.
We took out the white noise, sothat it was still there for
them to respond with.
But you didn't hear it, soyou'd only hear the voice.
Well then we got introducedfrom some former partners to a
method called direct radio voice.
Now, spirit boxes, as you know,use radio and it scans forward

(12:21):
or reverse based on a speedselection how fast you want to
go or how slow you want to go.
But it uses radio and thethought process behind it was
that spirits would take thefragments of audio and rearrange
them to make their ownsentences.
I can tell you for a fact thatdoes not happen.

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First of all, they'd have tohave every sound they needed
available to them at that splitsecond.
They would have to rearrange atthe speed of light in the
correct order to create asentence.
And in fact, what our researchshowed us was that the audio
from radio.
They weren't using it and infact it stopped the

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communication.
They weren't using radiofragments, they were using white
noise.
So that's what limits yourresponse when using a spirit box
.
Do they work?
They do work.
We built them for 12 years, butthat's the limitation in the
amount of communication you canget.
So Staticom, which was directradio voice, the changes we made

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were A.
We removed the radio.
Why Any skeptic, any scientistis going to say to you you're
using a device that brings incommunication speech.
And you're claiming you'regetting speech from the other
side.
How do you determine areception from deception?

(13:53):
Great point, I mean, that madetotal sense and we knew that
before, but excellent point.
So we said the radio is goingto be the first thing that has
to go.
So we did a bunch of tests.
Our former partners were doinga test in a zinc mine and
everybody who had spirit boxesgot nothing, because a zinc mine

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30 feet underground is like anatural Faraday cage and radio
waves can't penetrate.
So out of all the people thatwere there, they're the only
people that still got voices.
So in hearing that from them, Iwent out and I tested.
Well, I was actually doing sometests for another gentleman who
was claiming to have gottenvoices from running water and

(14:38):
yeah, there were some voices inthere.

Really.

Yep, because running water is very similar to
white noise.
Okay, so then I went out andstarted doing some tests.
I recorded running water, fans,air conditioners.
I taped mics to my car when Idrove around town to get the
white noise sound.
Yeah, sure enough, I could pullvoices.

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But what I couldn't do was pullthem consistently because the
white noise had fluctuations andit would be stronger at points,
weaker in other points.
And so what we did was I saidlet's try a white noise
generator.
White noise generator is asmall piece of electronic

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equipment.
It produces every sound thehuman ear can hear, from 20
Hertz to 20 Hertz and a spectralfrequency of one, meaning it's
all even so.
Then we tried that.
Sure enough, voices came flyingin speech.
We could ask questions, theywould answer.
The radio was gone.
So then the next step we didwas to slow down live white

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noise in real time.
So it slowed down 50%.
The reason we do that isbecause we got messages that
came in so fast that it soundedlike a syllable.
When we slowed it down 50% itwas a full, complete sentence
sounding just like I'm talkingnow.

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So Staticom uses only broadbandwhite noise.
It is a closed system.
There are no mics, there are noword banks, there are no AI, no
, nothing to produce vocals.
It cannot accept radio,satellite walkie-talkies, baby
monitors, nothing.
It's only filtered white noise.

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And then we added filtrationinto the system that will clean
it up, denoise it and then cutthe white noise out at the end,
leaving only the vocal left.
So the reason that occurs isbecause white noise is used in a
physics principle calledstochastic resonance, and what

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that process does is that ittakes a signal, a noise signal
or a hearing subject matter, andmakes an undetectable signal,
both to human senses and tosensors, and makes it detectable
.
So when we added the whitenoise, the white noise level is

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constant, stays right here.
When the speech comes in, itoverlaps a handful of those
frequencies in white noise,because it's hundreds of
thousands of frequencies inbroadband white noise.
What that does, then, is itelevates the voice, sort of like
the difference between if youhad a single bee flying a foot

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from your head or the whole hive.
If you had the whole hive, thatsame sound, same frequency of
the buzzing gets elevated, right.
So then the voice comes up, thewhite noise stays at its base
level.
Then we cut the base level out,leaving only okay, that makes
sense.

So with white noise and um, you know, I know
that there's different types ofof noise.

There's a brown noise, um gosh, there's all
kinds of different spectrumnoise brown noise, white noise
and there's a couple othervariations, but every variation
beyond white is just a set ofsub frequencies of white.

Okay, Gotcha, as I was going to ask you if you
guys had attempted trying thedifferent.
But if it's basically abreakdown of white as it is,
then yeah correct it's octaveswithin the full broadband
spectrum of it.

Okay.

So I guess my initial question is and
obviously you've had many, manyyears of doing this and um, you
know it always takes aninnovation to to, you know, kind
of disrupt everything.
And what?
What is it that?
First of all, what sent youdown that road?
Did you just look at something,okay, kind of like with the
radio, and I agree, by the way,we we use a lot of it.

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Now we have an SB seven, wehave all these other different
things and we have a honey tonethat cuts down a lot of it.
Now we have an SB7.
We have all these otherdifferent things and we have a
honeytone that cuts down a lotof that.
You know the background andyou're all familiar with this.
And, yes, I agree, the stuffthat we get never is from the
radio.
You know, you never hear any.
In fact, the radio just ends upbeing a problem because we have

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been in conversation.
Matter of fact, we just camefrom an investigation roughly
about two, three weeks.
Oh man, it's been longer thanthat now Over a month.
yeah, and we were having a greatconversation.
The vocal tone was the same.
You could tell it was the sameperson every single time.
There was no fluctuation.
And then, of course, you getstepped on with the radio and

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you're just like, oh, we're justright in this thing.
So, no, you're right.
It's quite amazing.
But was there a tipping pointthat said, OK, let's throw all
that aside and jump into thisclosed system?

Yeah, well, the jumping point from the beginning
was A to go back throughhistory and look at what other
pioneers had done, what waseffective for them, what was not
effective, like SpiritCom, Imean.
Today most people realize thatwas probably fate.

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Fate, but one of the, theperson who developed or realized
that they could get voices froma radio sitting on a vacant
frequency, which is what directradio voice does.
So you're only, you're onlytaking the white noise because
it's between and it doesn't move, it sits stationary Was named

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Frederick Jurgensen.
He was actually a painter, butwhen he realized he could do
this, he spent the rest of hislife trying to teach other
people.
He taught Konstantin Radova,and then Radova taught a
gentleman named Marcello Bacci,and Marcello Bocci used direct

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radio for about 35, 40 years andhe was the only one who was
brought in by scientists andtested in a lab and his voices
still came through.
And the scientists removed thevacuum tubes out of the radio,
one by one, to see if they couldstill get voices.
So they took out the first oneMarcello still got voices.

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They took out the second one hestill got voices.
Then the scientist said I'lltell you what.
I'm going to pull the third oneIf you still get voices, I'll
eat that.
So he pulled it.
Marcello still got voices andthen he said to the scientist
don't eat that, that's glass.
No good, yeah, that's a problem.

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The only thing they could removeto keep the voices from coming
through was Marcello himself.
So that also shows theconnection that about 40% of it
is the electronics, the other 60is the person operating it.
That connection has to be therebecause we've had people try to
replicate it and they're like Idid this for like three hours.

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I got nothing.
Well, guess what?
It took us like a year to getour first full sentence vocal.
If you're going to give up in acouple of hours, this method is
not for you.
It takes patience, it takesdedication and it takes a little
bit of savviness, because it'snot like a spirit box that
there's a on switch and you'regood to go.

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It's a method.
So you're filtering sound,you're adjusting frequencies, so
it's a little more complicated.

Right.
Right, and it's true, becauseeven given the the simplicity of
an SB7 box or even just I mean,we will use so kind of what we
do with our investigations.
We'll run ITC, but I always runsomething analog with it,
because I think that they canplay off each other and they

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have.
I've gotten some evidence thatwe would have never gotten how
we not run both the analog andthe ITC at the same time.
But I think the problem ispeople will use that ITC as a
crutch and think that you know,ok, well, they'll look at that
and go, ok, they get thesecertain words that come through,
and then there's this wordsalad.
But I think that I love thedirection that's taking, because

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I am probably one of the moreskeptic between the two of us
and when we first startedplaying with ITC and honestly we
really started playing with Ithink we had Ryan O'Neill on.
We talked a little bit about itwith him and I think that he
kind of got me going down thepath a little bit of using it.
I think that he kind of got megoing down the path a little bit

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of using it and I like the ideabecause whether we all believe
in that same camp of this is howentities talk.
You know these.
They're electrical signals, areusing impulse or using.
You know all these differentthings.
Then we have to accept the factthat these computers and things
that we use are susceptible tothat.
They're going to record that.
That is its whole point.

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It's ones and zeros.
That's all it is.

Well, it's energy frequency and vibration.

Right right.

Because you know, we had to look at.
There are so many things thatwe tried to do, there are so few

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things that were fallingoutside of both and we had to
determine for ourselves okay,what's really happening here,
how do we determine what's goingon?
And without you know, withkeeping the straightest line of
information from point a topoint b, without bending it all
over the place, saying, well,you know, if this happens, you

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know spirits just know how to dothat.
We didn't want any of that.
We wanted no axioms.
If you put two mirrors together, you get a portal.
Okay, that's been passed downfor I don't know how long.
Is there any proof to supportit?
No, nothing.
Has anyone ever thrown aquarter through one mirror and
have it come out the other?

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No, if they do and that can beshown, okay, that changes things
.
But right now there is no bitof evidence at all to support.
Putting two mirrors togetherproduces a portal.
Right, and I don't even want toget into the whole portal thing
.
But anyway, the whole goal herewas to find out.

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We knew from 12 years of usingspirit boxes that we can get
communication that's not comingfrom radio.
Now the question is can weprove direct radio voice still
works today.
We did that.
Can we get rid of the radio?
Can we get rid of every pieceof low-hanging fruit that
somebody can dismiss it?

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We did that.
Now I can ask a questionwithout a mic, without
broadcasting my voice in any way, shape or form, as I'm talking
in my house right now withoutthe mics and have a response
come back with timing andrelevance to the question I
asked in full, completesentences.

It's amazing, that's awesome.
Wow Kind of leads us into weknow you've got.
You sent us some clips andthey're amazing yeah, but we're
definitely going to want to kindof break it down, so kind of in
this first one, if you want tokind of just tee it off, and
we'll have.
You tee off these clips,because I certainly wasn't there

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, but, man, there's something tobehold.

It's so clear?
Yeah, it is wild.

So yeah, if you can kind of lead us into the
first one.

So the first one you're about to play is was
still direct radio voice.
So this was a radio and we wererunning it and it's really
funny.
But my wife said Marcello,meaning Marcello Bocci, this is
your method.

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Now, actually it was FrederickJuergensen's, but I knew what
she meant and she said it'sworking.
Can you communicate with us?
Us, and you can hear the spiritsay Bocce's coming Now.
Whether it's is it MarcelloBocce, we can never say for sure

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, we don't know.
People ask us all the time doyou know who you're speaking to?
The fact of the matter is no,we don't, but anyway.
So that's what this clip isabout, and if you want to go
ahead and play that one, we'lldo it now.
Yeah, let's do it right here.

Marcello, can you see us?

Yes.

Thank you, Marcello.
You started this method.
It's working.

Can you please try to communicate with us.
Yeah, I was.
When we first saw that it wasone of those we're like was that
actually?
Did we actually just hear?

that, that's pretty impressive.

I know it's so clear.
Yeah, when he said I'd say gladto meet you, that we were blown
away.
Now, the one thing to knowabout direct radio voice when we
were before we transitioned wasin a year of running it.
That clip you just played isthe clearest response we ever

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had.
Now we had communication.
You can hear what they'resaying, sometimes better than
others.
That one you just played is theclearest response we ever
received in the entire year ofrunning direct radio voice.

I mean it shows.
It's pretty breathtakingactually.

Yeah, I mean, there's some of those ITC things
.
You have to listen to them twoor three times to really
understand what they're saying,but these first time, yeah,
first time.

It is something that you're right.
Being a closed system and nothaving any, any word bank or
anything for them to utilize, itdoes kind of make you wonder
where, because obviously thosepeople who are still in the camp
of the word banks and there'snothing wrong with it, I get it,
I get it, but this is not andit doesn't have any geographics

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too, so it wouldn't know whereit's at, which can be an
argument for some of these ITCthings.
But yeah, that's.
That is just amazing on aclosed system.

Yeah, and you know you're, you're, you're pushing
into the boundary, then, of likephone apps.
I mean there's a reason.
When you download them it saysfor entertainment only.
There's a reason for that.
We wanted to avoid that.
Everyone always says, hey, canyou turn this into a nap?
Never going to happen.
The processing power it takesto do this.

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We run the highest endcomputers out there in order to
get this to do this, becauseeverything is live.
When you do EVP, you do yoursession, you ask your questions,
you shut your recorder off, youtake it home, you upload it to
your computer, you may amplifyit, you may try to get rid of
background.
We don't have to do anything.
Everything is done for us, live.

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So we ask a question.
The method handles everythingand all we hear coming out.
The speaker is the response.

Right.

So that's a huge plus.
Plus, like you said, there isno word banks.
Everyone says okay, well,what's in the filtration system?
Real, easy to answer Denoising,frequency adjustment, voice
extraction, um and other filtersbut filters that only filter

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sound, nothing that createswords, nothing that can speak,
nothing that can pull anythingoff the internet.
We do not need any internetactive, we don't need anything.
So we tried to get complete, acomplete break from any of the
low hanginghanging skeptic fruitand we did accomplish it.

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So we're super excited.

Fantastic.

It is yeah.
Well, I know we got anotherclip, so we've got some really
cool stuff no kidding, yeah,kind of lead us into this next
one.

So the next clip is the upgrade from direct radio
.
Voice Radio's been removed,white noise generator's been
replaced with the radio.
So this next clip.
I asked if they could say myname.

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I said can you say Tony?
Can you say Tony?
Can you say Tony?
Did you just say Rathman?
Yep, so you know who I am.
Can I know who you are?

(32:41):
Yes, sir, thank you.
Who am I speaking to?
And they said my full namefirst and last.

That was cool.

And then I've got to think for a second.
I said.
I said you know who I am, can Iknow who you are?
And they responded twosentences, two different spirit,
consciousness, whatever termyou want to refer to it, giving

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the first and the last name thatthey had.

Yeah, it was amazing yeah.

Well for it to even say you're you know, says
Anthony, for those who are, youknow, if you're listening, I
urge you to maybe watch this oneon YouTube, because we do both
YouTube and audio, but if you'reactually listening, maybe take
the time to do this Watch thevideo yeah.
I mean it flat out says Anthony, and it's just like, well, how
would it know?
I mean, of course you know, ifit's intelligent, it would know

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that Tony is short for Anthony,but again, not a word bank.
So that's even more provable.

Yeah, exactly, they're intelligent.

Yeah.

Fascinating.

Oh yeah, people have asked us before Well, do
you get residual?
No, the only way.
I would know is if it was ananswer that completely did not
fit the question asked, like ifI said how many spirits are with
me right now and I heardlasagna?
Okay, could that be residual?

(34:21):
Yeah, do we know that it can'tpick up residual?
No, we don't.
We don't know any of thelimitations yet.
All we know that everythingthat we've tried so far has
succeeded.
Where those boundaries aregoing to shut down, we're still
learning.
But the other thing and I'mtrying to remember what I was
going to say, it slipped my mindat the moment.

(34:43):
I'll think of it again.

But Happens to me all the time.
It didn't even take turning 50.
It started a lot earlier Nowand there's a lot of skepticism

(35:06):
behind.
Well, first of all, we're in avertical and in a field that
skept you've worked with andthese are people.
These are real serious peoplethat take this very seriously,
and that's a lot of serious.

I know I was going to say serious, serious.
That's how serious they are.
It is extremely serious.

There's no playing around here.
You got to stress it.
Their, I guess their feedback Iand I know we've got a few more
clips or clips or so here, butI'd be interested to hear that
because, especially with thislast one, with it getting your
full name, that is that's prettypoint positive.

Yeah, the the toughest challenge is that,
unless you've seen it in personcause we do do live events, for
you know we've got 40, 50 peoplein the room.
We let them ask their ownquestions, get their own
responses, but if you only seeit through the videos, it's kind

(36:02):
of like if you know a five-timeor five-year world champion
boxer takes on some competitorwho has no history whatsoever
and the competitor knocks himout in the first 30 seconds.
What's the first thing?
The audience says, oh, that'srigged.
That was rigged there's no way.

(36:22):
Yeah, so that's what we fight.
We fight having it so good thatnobody believes it, right, or
that.
Or the other side of the coinis they're like, oh, that sounds
, you know that sounds terrible.
Who cares what they're doing?
So there's that balance that Imean.

(36:43):
It's not just a balance.
It takes years to make evensmall upgrades now, but we just
did go from two to three, whichjust I'll talk about those
differences when we get to thoseclips.
But you know you can't convince.
There are people that are goingto believe what they believe
regardless.

(37:04):
If you were trying to discoverif Bigfoot was real and you got
out of the car, you walkedaround for 20 minutes, you
realized you left something inthe car, went back to get it and
realized you lost your keys andyou turn around and Bigfoot
standing there and hands them toyou, they still wouldn't
believe.
Oh yeah.
Right, absolutely so we gave uptrying to convince anybody of

(37:25):
anything.
If you are skeptical, you ifyou are skeptical.
That's not a scientificapproach, that skepticism.
And I'm not here to convinceyou.
I'm only here to show you whatwe've done and what we can get
from it, and you can do with itwhatever you want.
But for people who areinterested, find us where we're

(37:47):
giving a demonstration.
Fly to Halifax, canada, andwe're going to speak about it at
this year's ParanormalSymposium.
We're going to be at Phenomiconspeaking about it this year in.
Utah, because it has gained boththe interest of the entire
paranormal community, but it hasalso gained interest from the

(38:08):
scientific community.
This is a one possibility toreplicate.
We can turn it on.
The voices come.
It doesn't take anything, evenwhat we consider to be
paranormal, because we think theparanormal is just normal.
We just don't understand it.
Yet.

(38:30):
Every time we flip it on, thevoices are there and I can say
okay, how many spirits are withme?
10, 50, whatever they'll answer.
I can ask them questions.
They'll answer that'srepetitive.
Science is going to want totake a look at that.
But the main thing is that,because of the way I mean, we
had to reevaluate what webelieved reality to be.
And today we believe and we'veadopted an idealistic approach

(38:56):
or an analytic idealism thatsays that the ontological
primitive in life isconsciousness.
It's there before life beginsin universal consciousness.
It's in you individually, butstill connected to universal
consciousness as you go throughlife, as you learn, as you grow,
and that information stilltransfers back to universal

(39:18):
consciousness.
And then, when you pass away,you return to, Because people
always used to say well, youknow, you're using a digital
recorder and you're talking tospirits from the 1800s.
They're not even going to knowwhat that is.
Well, if they're part ofuniversal consciousness, they
know what everything is, becausepeople are being born and
passing over.

(39:39):
Well, I don't know how manythousands of times.
Oh yeah, but that informationis part of all universal
consciousness which we're partof.
So they don't, they know.
They know what it is.

Yeah, and you know I make the argument.
In fact we just had I just hada talk, we were over at Missouri
Paracon this last weekend andwhich, by the way, I don't know
when this is coming out, butanyway, we went to Missouri
Paracon and I think the one ofthe arguments that I made is
that I think in our field wetend to think that that the
other side is static, and Ithink that is such a bad way to

(40:13):
look at it because if, if we canagree that there's intelligence
behind it, which we all agreeon, there's no way that other
side has some static involvement, unless it's residual.
But you know, if it's just, wejust always assume that they're
not going to know this sort ofthing, or they're not going to,
they're not going to be able tocomprehend it.
Well, if they're intelligent,they're not it to know this sort
of thing, or they're not goingto, they're not going to be able
to comprehend it.
Well, if they're intelligent,they're not.
It's not a static.

Like they died in the 1800s and they're set in
the 1800s.

No, exactly Now, we're just in the 1800s.

If it was static or residual, we would get no
answers.
Exactly you have to haveintelligence to answer a
question.
Without intelligence, there'snothing.
So there's nothing.

(41:10):
So it proves to us, it's astepping stone to prove that
consciousness survives death.
Not only does it survive death,but you can communicate with it
, and that's hoping, what we'realso hoping to show, as well as
other things.

I mean anything that we could research on an
answer that we gave.
In fact, this is one of theclips.
Let's get into that next clipthen, because there's actually a
part of that, and I don't knowif you mentioned it in this clip
or where it was, but I'mthinking of a use case for this.
That's maybe not necessarilyparanormal driven, but anyway,
let's go ahead and tee up thisnext clip.

All right.
Well, the next clip.
We did a lot of scientificquestioning when we were running
2.0.
3.0 is so new that I'm stillmaking sure everything's
functioning before I can getinto the research questions.
But if I'm human and I'm notbroadcasting my voice through
mics and I speak in my normaltone of voice, okay, that's

(41:55):
great.
It creates sound waves in theatmosphere which maybe travel
100, 200 feet before theydissipate.
Another human standing withinthat range has human ears.
Their follicles will vibrate.
That vibration will go to theliquid center of the brain,
which pulsates.
That pulsation goes to thebrain, telling the brain this is

(42:16):
speech and interprets it.
If a spirit, entity,consciousness, whatever you want
to call it, doesn't have ahuman body and I'm creating
vocal sound waves, how do theyhear me?
So play that clip and you'llhear the answer.

Here we go.

How do you hear me speak?

Yeah, let's talk about that one.
Unpack that for us, if youcould Sure.

Okay.
So the first thing they saidwas we call it death.
Now, to me, that was just theirway of simply stating something
I would understand clearlythey're not dead or they
wouldn't be able to answer.
So we call it death.
To me, was just an explanationof we've passed over, we're not

(43:10):
here anymore.
And then another spirit, Ibelieve, because the voice was
different.

It was different.

Said energy of the mind.
That's the thing.

Okay, now let's unpack that.
Yeah, please.
That blew our minds when weheard that.

Well, I was too, when we heard it, because for
years we did EVP sessions andthere were times the answer
would show up on the recorderbefore I even got done asking it
, and that's happened to us.

That explains it.

They're not.
Yeah, they don't need my vocalsat all.
So we tested that, too at all.
So we tested that too.
When we do live sessions, we'dsay to the group if you want to
ask a question, but you're tooembarrassed to ask in front of
an audience just come up hereand think it.

Sure enough, they get their answer.

So there's a theory that scientists are
starting to evolve and go downcalled the survival theory.
The survival theory ofconsciousness and energy of the
mind supports that scientifictheory of consciousness
surviving death.

Absolutely yeah, it's.
And what's funny is you alwaysthink about.
There's always that bigargument when does consciousness
reside?
And you know everybody's gottheir own theory, everybody.
You know this is long sincebeen talked about, before we
were ever born.
It'll probably still be talkedabout beyond our lifespan.

(44:44):
But you know, when you get intowhat we do you tend to lean a
little less that yourconsciousness resides anywhere
in this meat and potatoes thatI've got going on over here,
right, and that material.

Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Oh, you're fine.

Materialistic science believes that that when
the body dies, the brain dies,consciousness dies, right?
Well, you know there's a.
There's a real simple questionthen.
If that's the case, if I'msleepy and my body runs on

(45:23):
energy and nutrients I get fromthe food I eat how come I can't
eat a big meal and be wide awake?
Good point, it's becausethere's another source that
needs to be recharged as well,and that to me is spirit or
consciousness.
Otherwise I need a gigantic meal.
I shouldn't be tired.

(45:44):
If my car is out of gas and Iput gas in it, it's not tired,
Right?
So there's some other entitythat is recharging while we
sleep and I believe that to beour consciousness or soul.

Sure, I mean, they even say that is a very
interesting point.
It's a very interesting point,well put, and even you know you
look at some of the scientificdata that says when we pass away
we weigh less.
I think an ounce or two lessfrom death, from when we were
conscious.
So where did that go Exactly?
It's wild.

And the other thing we always get is people
say to me all right, if they'renot in human body anymore and
they don't have vocal cords, howare they speaking?

I've heard that one many times.
You don't need vocal cords.

You need energy, frequency and vibration.
How do you think a guitarstring makes noise?
You pluck it with your thumb orfinger.
That's the energy.
It then vibrates at a certainfrequency, producing sound.
Jimi Hendrix used to play hisguitar that would sound like
words, using energy, frequencyand vibration.

(46:55):
And then the next thing I'llsay to people who say that to me
is they said does your radiohave vocal cords?
No, it doesn't.
But what are you hearing?
Full speech, full vocabulary,full sentences or even singing.
How is that occurring?
Energy, frequency and vibration, full sentences or even singing
.

How is that occurring?
Energy?

frequency and vibration.
Yep, well, even.
Okay, there's actually, and Ican't remember the name of the
handle, it's on Instagram, butthere's a man that takes
something into the forest and heattaches it to leaves and stuff
of trees and plants and flowersand he plays like the sounds
from the plants correct?

yep, yeah, so it's the same.
You know what I'm talking aboutyeah, I thought it had the word
mushroom in it, like mushroom.
Yeah, it does something likethat yeah, it does I didn't know
that yeah

I'm obsessed with it.
Awesome because every, everysingle one, every different
plant has a different sound thatcomes out.

And you get variations of sound, which makes
it sound like tones almostmusical, to a point.

Yes.

Yes, well, and being a huge nerd that I am, if
you've ever seen on, you know,because I've doom, scrolled my
life away on, sometimes onYouTube.
But they'll have a, they'llhave that one where it's, uh,
you can hear the noise of theplanet.
So they'll, they'll be.
I think it was done by I can'tremember what satellite it was

(48:19):
or what, what they sent out intospace, but as they were
approaching a given source, likea given planet, I think they
would turn on whatever vibrate,whatever they use to measure
sound with, and every singlebody out there, every planet,
every moon, has a very distinctsound.

Well, and it's because I mean.
Nikola tesla said if you wantto understand the universe,
think in terms of three thingsenergy, frequency and vibration
it is the key to everything itsound.
It holds your furniture togetherby being vibrating at such a
tight interval that it doesn'tcome apart.

(48:59):
Life is completely subjectiveand completely mental to you and
you alone.
There is no objective realitybecause life is subjective to

(49:19):
you and you alone.
Now you can share experienceswith other people, but I can't
see through their eyes, I can'thear through their ears.
It is subjective only to me.
But energy, frequency andvibration literally are three of
the blocks of foundation thatwhat we interact with, it exists

(49:40):
.
Well, guess what white noise is?
Energy, frequency and vibration.
And that's what entities orspirits are, would have to be to
create vocals, because thoseare the three components to do
it and could easily do it.
Throwing it on top of whitenoise then makes complete sense.

So awesome.
I'm pretty blown away.

I am.
So let's talk about upgrade,because I know you've gone
through some variations andwe're at 3.0, right, correct Now
.
We're moving at 3.0 right,correct now we're now.

We're moving to 3.0.
So when you heard the, when youheard the responses from 2.0
again clear you can't reallytell much of a difference
between what you heard on DRVeven though that was the only
one that clear we got to what wejust played in 2.0.
But the frequency, the amountof responses increased in the

(50:35):
clarity.
So now what we knew we neededto do was make that clarity
consistent and there all thetime.
And that is the difference.
Now to 3.0.
That clarity has not gone awayyet.
We don't plan it to go away.
And the communication doesn'tstop.

(50:56):
If I keep asking questions,they'll keep answering.
The other cool part about itand this went all the way back
to DRV was that you don't evenhave to ask questions.
You can flip it on and justlisten.
You can listen to them speak.
You can flip it on and justlisten.
You can listen to them speak.
And when we first started it itwas like a spiritual eavesdrop
because once they realized wecould hear them, they were like

(51:23):
you know, and then they'd try towhisper and I'm like I can
still hear you when you whisper.

Matter of fact, there's a clip.

I say that the next clip is when I was still
programming, making adjustmentsto get 3.0 to work, and I
believe this one's calledinitial and the speech just
started coming through.
So my wife grabs her phone,turns it on.
Now, granted, this is fillingthe whole house because it's

(51:49):
running speakers like a stereosystem.
That's where the voices comeout.
She flipped her phone onrecorded, started asking
questions and the answers theywere answering all our questions
.

So I would good time to play that one now.

The initial one.
Let's do that right now, forsure.
Speaker.
Speaker.
Who are you trying to find?
Speaker, I'm just Come to thedoor.
Who?

are you?

trying to find, I don't know.

You're nervous, I don't know.
Okay.

Right there.

What Right?

there.
Are you trying to send us amessage?

Yeah, are you trying to send us a message,
roger.

Roger meaning yes or Roger meaning Roger?
Are you talking about RogerMartin?

Yes, martin, yes martin yeah, it's.

Uh again, it's amazing, and you can really tell
the difference between youalways say, well, what did we
change this year?
We put a 12 on the box, butwhen you, when you're making
that upgrade between two andthree, I can see where things
are starting to kind of cometogether.

Yeah, the communication not stopping the
fact that we can continue to askquestions.
We can further the questionsalong, meaning that we're not
broken by.
Nothing breaks the conversationunless they go away breaks the
conversation unless they go away.
The only thing we can't controlso far is whether they answer,

(53:34):
how many of them are going toanswer and how long they're
going to talk, for we have nocontrol over that because they
obviously have free will, justas I do.
I mean, I could say I'm doneand turn it off.
They may not want it to, butthey can't control that, any
more than I can control themresponding Right, but the
consistency and the clarity ofthe voice stays.
We don't get a sentence that'ssuper clear.

(53:54):
And then the next 10 minutes ofaudio is what, what, what?
It's consistent now.
Now, that took a huge process,huge understanding of so many
different things, but we got itand so we're super psyched about
that.
And then the next clip that youcan play was this was the same

(54:17):
night.
My wife said she wasn't feelingwell and she was in pain, so I
was worried about that.
Well, I got it back up andrunning and so I asked.
I said is she getting sick?
And if you play that one,you'll be able to hear it.

Yeah, here we go, because I definitely want to
talk about this.
But here we go.
Spirit Cherie isn't gettingsick is she?

Is Cherie getting sick?
Spirit, yes, what should shetake?
What should she take?
So the most interesting thingabout this was I didn't know

(55:09):
what Percodan was.
I heard him say it, but Ididn't know what itcadam was.
I heard him say it, but Ididn't know what it was.
So I went to look it up, believeit or not, for those who don't
know I'm sure a lot of people dobut for those who don't know,
percadam is a prescriptionstrength pain reliever.
It's a pain reliever.
It's a combination of oxycodoneand aspirin, I believe, and

(55:34):
high, high strength potential.
But for them to answer thatwhen she told me I'm in pain and
I said, well, what should shetake?
Percodant, when I looked it up,I'm like, okay, they're right
on target again.
They're right on target again,which is the other thing that
we've noticed is that when wecan research something, like

(55:55):
people always asked about thetwo names that were given, did
you research them?
A?
I'm working with audio, only Idon't know if I spelled them
correctly.
I don't know if there are somestrange consonants used that are
silent.
So it's really hard to do and Idon't know what timeframe it was
, but about 94 to 95% of theinformation that we're given,

(56:16):
that we either A don't know orcan look up, is a hundred
percent correct, which is one ofthe reasons why we think this
will be a brilliant method touse for cold cases.
That's exactly what.
I was thinking they will notgive us future information.
We know because we've asked forthe Powerballs I don't know how

(56:38):
many times they don't answer.

If you get it, let me know I'll split it with
you.

I don't care, they don't answer Even a simple
question like, okay, I have tomake the decision, should I take
this job or this job?
They won't answer.
We believe there's somethingcalled universal laws, that they
are not allowed to affect thelife.
We were put here to live, toexperience, to learn and to grow

(57:02):
.
And if they were to interruptthat because, let's face it, if
I won a billion dollars inPowerball, I'd be sitting on my
own island fishing for the restof my life and not learning
probably anything.
And so we believe that thereare rules, because we've heard
them say we had a woman one timeanswering every question I
asked.
That usually doesn't happen.
We heard all these otherspirits come in and say to her

(57:25):
stop, you can't tell them that.
And then finally, they said tous she didn't, she wasn't there
anymore.
And they said to us she didn't,she wasn't there anymore.

And they said to us we we had to remove her.

So they have a place, that's why we call them
universal laws?

because there are restrictions to what we can know
.
I mean, think about it.
If you were aware that spiritsare around you all the time and
I can tell you without a doubtthey are that they can hear you,
they can see what you're doing,they know everything, they know
what you're, what's yourthought going through your head,
what you're planning on doing.
How distracting would that be.

Oh, no, kidding.
Yeah, it was very distant, infact, our home, and it's
honestly just a couple of feetaway.
We have an entity that's verykind, very loving, shows up and
we're not feeling well.
Now how in the world do theyknow that we're not feeling well
, that we're despondent, or ifthere's something going on in
our life?
That's typically the only timethis entity makes itself aware.

(58:26):
How in the world would it knowthat, without being able to do
that sort of thing and maybethat's part of that law set that
you know, I don't know whoknows what the laws are.

Well, nobody would take a shower again,
that's for sure.

But you know we came up with that term of
universal laws.
Whether that's an actual factor not, it's a theory based on
what we've experienced.
But you know how would you?
And this is part of the reasonwhy we're not supposed to know
any of this.
It's the reason why the humanbody sight is restricted to

(59:03):
visible light Only.
Hearing is only 20 Hertz to 20kilohertz, when both visual
spectrums and audio spectrumshave on both sides layers and
layers of additional that wecan't see, hear or experience.
There's a reason for thatbecause all of this exists out
there.
We are being blocked from it.

(59:24):
So people always say to us well, what's the line between the
living and the non-living?
It's the human body we areliterally designed not to, but
technology allows us to dothings that the human body can't
.

so it's so fascinating.

Yeah, it absolutely is.

So where are we now with 3.0?
I know you mentioned thatyou're even up to this point.
You know you're making someadjustments to 3.0.
Do you feel that this is now?
I mean, obviously you'll alwayswant to innovate and change
things and everything, but areyou getting closer to your full,
I guess, your full vision ofwhat you wanted to accomplish
with it?

Tony Rathman (01:00:04):
The original vision.
Yes, I think 3.0 is there.
This is probably arguably theclosest thing to either Thomas
Edison's phone to the dead thathe wanted to create or Nikola
Tesla's spirit phone that theywere racing against each other
to make it happen.
Neither one of themaccomplished it that we're aware

(01:00:26):
of.
But, yeah, I'd say we hit theinitial mark, but so much
information has been brought upthat it keeps it moving.
There are so many other thingswe want to find out and people
always ask you know, did you askthis question?

(01:00:47):
Did you ask this question?
And they'll say did you ask howthe pyramids were built?
Did you ask if Atlantisactually existed?
And they're great questions andat some point am I going to ask
those too?
Yeah, I am, but because theconstruction of it, the making
sure that all the principles areworking correctly, the testing

(01:01:08):
of it, the advancement of it, isso time consuming on top of
demonstrating it, because people, like you said, are very
skeptical.
They want to see it forthemselves.
There's not enough time in myday to to accomplish, you know,
asking a hundred millionquestions that would need to be
asked.

Nicole Mathias (01:01:27):
um so and it could be those questions that
are not allowed to be answeredas well.

Maybe we're not supposed to know when we hit
those, because that wall goes up.
Communication just stops andthe thing will just go silent.
Yeah we're like okay, we can'task that.
Yeah, but for cold cases,anything that's already happened
, they never stutter on if.
If I say, okay, what happenedhere?
I'll get an answer.
So we're thinking this would beawesome for FDI police

(01:01:57):
department without any moreleads to follow up on.
Let me throw out a couple ofquestions and see if you get any
venture like oh my gosh, youknow we haven't tested it yet,
it's in our very clear, verynear future to to give it a try.

Logan Mathias (01:02:13):
I couldn't imagine law enforcement not
being.
I mean they.
Obviously they employ psychics,so why not?
Yeah, but why not something?

How fantastic would that be to enter this into
evidence.
Oh, in a court case Like forthe future, that would be
amazing.

Yes, Audio, and so I don't know what they do with
that, but it's not even a matterof having to enter it as
evidence, as in a court.
It's a matter of giving themthe next step direction yeah,
right information to to solve it, okay, this is what happened,
this person's guilty, or youknow the sorry about your son or
daughter.

(01:02:50):
They were camping, eaten by abear.
You know whatever the terriblenews is, but you know it's hard
enough to grieve a loss.
It's worse when you don't knowwhat happened or where they are.
Right.

The closure part of it.

So we're thinking, maybe this could help.

That's fantastic, that would be great.
So, tony, I guess what's the?
Are you looking at some point?
And if you don't, that's finetoo.
But are you looking at somepoint to make this something
that people can utilize?
You know, kind of going downthe freezer, and I know there's
probably a lot of.
First of all, how do you do acontained, you know, delivery

(01:03:27):
system?
How do you make it to where itcan't be?
You know it can't.
It's got to stay the way it'ssupposed to be, and I'm sure
there's a lot of that in play.
Trying to figure out how do wedeliver on that and make it you
know that same data set everysingle time.
But is that something you guysare looking at doing in the
future?

Yeah, I mean it's been talked about.
The problem is is that this isa Frankenstein's monster of
equipment, which is why we callit a method, not a device.
Right, it uses everything fromhardware to software to
filtration, to you know, it's inthere, right?

(01:04:08):
And then on top of it it's it'sa manual process to adjust
everything to your location, andthat can change from day to day
to day, literally from morningto afternoon to evening, because
we've had to readjust,afternoon to evening, because

(01:04:28):
we've had to readjust.
We don't know how to teachsomebody that we certainly.
I mean right now.
3.0 was designed by my wife andI.
There's two of us.
We're still doing the research,we're still doing advancements,
we're still trying to work itout.
If a thousand people had thisand they were contacting us
every day, okay, I set it uplike you said it, but I, I'm not

(01:04:49):
getting anything.
What do I do?
Right?
So we're not prepared to sellanything yet it was never
designed to be sold, it wasdesigned for the research only,
just like the 14 spirit boxes Ibuilt, I never sold one.
They were not built to be makemoney, they were built for the
research.

(01:05:10):
Um, so we always, we fight thebattles.
Um, the only thing I can say isthat the initial process, and
then when I'm saying initial,I'm talking the bare bones
minimum.
We got from a gentleman namedum keith j clark, and he is

(01:05:32):
offering to show people how to,and even help you do the basics.
Get it, get it set up on yourcomputer.
Um, it uses simple things like,um, a mod called sound soap, um
, some filtration, um, and yoube able, once you get it dialed
in, you'll be able to hear thevoices speaking, not like what

(01:05:56):
you've just heard, because thisis three years of advancement,
but it's the starting point andfor anybody who's really truly
interested to play with it,that's where I would start.
Keith J Clark, flick them up onFacebook.

For sure.
I mean just the idea of knowingthat we're this much further
along in technology where wehave such an advancement like
this, where this could be such amissing part of the entire.
I mean what we all do.
I mean we spend countlessamounts of hours and money and

(01:06:29):
funding.
Where we spend countlessamounts of hours and money and
funding, literally, I can lookover not more than a few feet at
our gear and know how manythousands of dollars are sitting
over there.

Oh, trust me, I know.
We all know Even the researchwhen we try to switch something
or I mean it's not cheap.
We don't have any sponsors orpeople supporting us financially
to do this.
We did this on our own.
Amazing.
I know there's two clips leftof 3.0.
So go ahead and play the onetitled Responses.

(01:07:00):
Okay, here it goes.
Rathman, I heard you sayRathman.
Yes, what did you want to sayto Roger?

(01:07:28):
It's Tony Spirits.
Can you hear me?
Yes, okay.

That was a loud voice, that just answered.

What's your name?

That was a loud voice that just answered what's
your name.

That's a strange name.
How many spirits are here withus right now?
A lot, a lot yeah, that's whatI thought you said Because
there's so many of you.
Is that why all the backgroundchatter?

(01:08:22):
They're talking?
Do you have any messages for us?
Raph, I heard that.
All right, so this really showsjust the fact that we can

(01:08:45):
communicate back and forth.
There were multiple questionsasked.
We changed subjects.
We were asking them to saycertain words.
They were responding with thosewords.
I asked them what I was holdingin my hand.
You can't see me on the screenat the moment.
I took my glasses off the top ofmy head, held them in my hand.
I said what am I holding?

(01:09:07):
Instant response glasses?
That was absolutely 100%correct, but you can hear the
flow of the conversation.
I mean, it's no different ifyou had somebody on speakerphone
on your phone and you weretalking over the speakerphone.
It's like that.
Now, is it always that good?
No, we've had some times, butthey still respond.

(01:09:30):
It's just not maybe thatquickly or that many of them
responding.
And then the last one is calledfourth round of testing, and
this is the last one we've beenable to do because we've been
talking about it and we've been.
So tomorrow night we don't haveanything planned.

(01:09:50):
We are doing another testsession, um to run it but here
go ahead and play the fourthround, and we'll talk about that
.
All right, here we go.
I can hear you when you whisper.

(01:10:11):
You know that, right, sparrows.
If you're not familiar withthis, this device is called
Staticon.
If you heard me say Staticon,now can you say St up for me
please?

Alright.

Squares, if you don't want to say stand up,
let's play another game.
What am I?

holding in my hand.

Glasses.
Thank you, Thank you very much.

How about pineapple?
Can you say pineapple?
Oh perfect, thank you.
How come you can't say Statikonlike that?
It's one word.

It's one word.

Statikon.

Have you not been able to talk to humans before?
If you can hear me spirit sayelephant, do you know, tony,

(01:11:32):
it's me.
If we use this device to helpcold cases, will you answer the
question?
Yeah, sure, you bet.
Thank you, that'll help a lot.
Yeah, yeah.

(01:11:52):
So I mean you.
Just you can't.
Like I said when we gotfascinated with audio responses
from something that is not infront of you, you can't see it,
you don't know it's there, andthat's the other thing people
would ask us.
Scientists would ask us okay,well, when you, after you got
done communicating, was thereany residual energy in the room?

(01:12:17):
And my answer was no, becausethey're not bound to time and
space.
They don't have to come into myhouse to respond, they can
respond from anywhere.
If I went and sat at the nextdoor neighbor at his kitchen
table for two hours and thenleft, could you hit the chair
and find residual heat?
Yeah, you could, but if I'mtalking to him over my cell

(01:12:40):
phone, like Staticom uses, Idon't have to be there.
I'm not leaving any energy inhis house.
It's the same thing.

Wow, good point.

Yeah, that's an interesting way of putting it no
, that makes perfect.

Yeah, you're right if you're on your cell phone
yeah, I mean, that's a greatanalogy talk to anyone in the
world right but I'm not going toleave any skin cells or heat in
their apartment because I wasnever there, gosh you know that
gift that the guy goes.

You know that gift that the guy goes.

I know, I know.

Well, tony, I got to admit I know our audience is
going to want to know a lotabout it.
Um, and I know there there'sgoing to be a lot of questions
behind it, which is fantastic.
We welcome those.
Yeah, what?
Where can they go to kind ofget involved or at least kind of
see what you're doing, what youguys are up to?

Absolutely the first place is a website called
EntityVoicescom.
Entity Voices is our paranormalgroup, but there's a whole
Staticom section.
You can watch other podcasts,you can look at clips, you can
go through just a variety ofstuff.

(01:13:54):
There's a blog.
You can look at the articlestalked about, written about or
that I wrote that are on thereabout progress where we're going
.
If you go to YouTube, you willfind them.
If you just search Statacom,the page will come up.
If you go to Entity VoicesParanormal Investigations,

(01:14:15):
there's Staticom stuff on there.
If you go to Facebook, eitherunder Tony Rathman or my wife,
cherie Rathman, both of us haveposts um things, places we're
going to be where we'redemonstrating.
That's the best.
Those are probably the bestsocial media places to find out

(01:14:36):
what's going on, where we'regoing to be at, what we've
captured and information aboutthe process itself.

Awesome.

That's great.
There is one thing I wanted tomention.
We watched I think it was onYouTube, wasn't it the clip
where you're speaking to someonethat was speaking a different
language.
Oh yeah, and they said Turkish.

Right.

And you said well, I don't speak Turkish.
Can you speak to me in English?
Yes, like it's not, there's noproblem, just switching
languages.
Yeah, I thought that was veryinteresting.

So we've gotten lots of different languages.
Luckily, my wife speaks three.
She's trilingual.
She can speak Tagalog, japaneseand English.
So, like when we were over inthe Philippines, we would get
EVPs, we got them in Tagalog,japanese, english and Latin
Latin's the only one neither oneof us could speak.

(01:15:27):
But when we had somebody whodid speak a translate, they told
us exactly what was being said.
It did answer the question weasked.
But the best example of that waswe were doing a public
demonstration and we steppedback as the presenters and let
the audience come up one by oneand ask their question.

(01:15:48):
And this gentleman came up andyou know, we didn't think
anything of it and he asked hisquestion in his native American
language and I thought cool,this, this will be great to see
what happens.
So we just sat back and waitedand I didn't hear an answer,
cause I didn't even know what heasked.
But I saw his jaw drop and hiseyes get wide and I said did you

(01:16:12):
get your answer?
He said not only did I get it,but I got it in my Native
American language, that'samazing oh that's so awesome.
So again back to the wholeuniversal consciousness of
shared knowledge.
Yeah, yeah.
Whatever language you're goingto speak, they're going to
answer.
Or whatever language they knowyou're going to speak, they're
going to answer.
Or whatever language they knowyou're going to understand,

(01:16:32):
they're going to answer becausethey're in collective
consciousness.
They have access to everything.

It's amazing.
It's like the Rosetta Stone.
Yeah, it really is Kind of.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's amazing.
Well, tony, I don't have enoughwords to thank you for coming
on and kind of sharing this withus.

I appreciate it.

Oh yeah, I do have one thing to say, though
I'm from Tucson Really.
So yeah, I'm originally fromTucson, so thank you for
spending time with the wildcat.
Hopefully that's okay.

That's fine.
No, that great team.
I lived in Tucson for aboutthree years.
I've been all over the country,though, but I liked it down
there it was, it was.
It was great and not quite ashot as Phoenix is as Phoenix.

no, Nothing's quite as hot as Phoenix.

There's nothing like Phoenix.

Real quick story.
We went to Mills Mall, which Idon't even know if it's still
open or what's going on overthere, but she was wearing
flip-flops.
We're walking from our vehicle.
This is summertime, we'rewalking from our vehicle and
it's not that far away.
Tony, where we parked, and hershoes, her flip-flops started
melting, it's just wild.

I bet that happened, it's 117 out and the
pavement's probably 130.
Changes are a rubber-soled shoeor flip-flop probably going to
change form.

Yeah, especially the cheap Old Navy flip-flop
probably going to change form.
Yeah, especially the cheap OldNavy flip-flops, which is what I
was wearing at the time.

I mean, it is what it is, but again, tony,
thank you so much.
We look forward and hopefullyhave you back on.

I'd like to kind of keep everything up to speed
because we're very interested.
Yeah, I'm blown away.

What we're working on right now and, like I said,
there's so many, so many thingswe're trying to accomplish.
We just ripped the thingcompletely apart to make it more
portable, because we're beingasked to bring it all over the
place.
The other thing we're beingasked is can you do this live?
Can we run it live?
The problem is live has onecamera, one mic Right, and to

(01:18:30):
have speakers blaring in my earswhere you guys are trying to
talk to me isn't going to work.
So we're trying to figure out away to integrate two computers
together so that we can shareaudio and video from one onto
another.
It's like a share screen, butfrom an entirely separate
computer.
I'm working on that now.
I had some success the othernight.
Hopefully it'll continue to besuccessful.
But I don entirely separatecomputer.

(01:18:50):
I'm working on that now.
I had some success the othernight.
Hopefully it'll continue to besuccessful, but I don't know yet
.
But that's definitely somethingthat people are like can we run
it for a half an hour and letpeople ask us questions?
Can it be done?
I'm sure it can.
We've done it in the past.
3.0 is a little morecomplicated, but we're working
on it.
But I just wanted to say thankyou for having me on letting me

(01:19:17):
discuss this, and I greatlyappreciate.
We appreciate every opportunityto be able to share the
information on where ITC isheading, because this is real
two-way communication.

Absolutely, absolutely.
Thank you so much and lookforward to talking soon.

All right, thank you.
Thank you, thanks, tony, forcoming.

Yeah, thank you so much, and look forward to
talking to you soon.
All right, thank you, thank you.
Thanks, tony for coming.
Yeah, thank you, tony, andofficially, my mind is
completely melted.
Yeah, good, bad or indifferent,if you guys, depending on how
you feel about ITC look, weunderstand the skepticism behind
it.
In fact, I've got my ownskepticism behind it, but this

(01:19:50):
is a close system, guys, andthat, yeah, and I guess to to
kind of I would love to see itin action.

Oh for sure, like if we weren't going to be
in potentially, the ireland, wecould probably go to phenomenon,
but it's during that time, yeah, um, I, I know I I don't know
what to think Because, honestly,like our honey tone made it the

(01:20:17):
most clear that I've ever heardit Sure, at least in certain
investigations, and this is evenclearer than that.
Yeah, and that kind of blows mymind a little bit.
And if you go and watch I meanhe's got multiple videos and
kind of what we were talking tohim about there at the end, the
one with the guy that wasspeaking Turkish.
When he comes across, then inEnglish you can hear an accent

(01:20:38):
in his voice.

Yes, you can.

Which you can hear when you get EVPs.
Yeah, through the honey toneand through even like a recorder
.
It's so interesting that theykeep the accent, but this is
like extremely clear yeah.

Yeah, and I've never really been able to wrap
my head around.
Well, I've been able to wrap myhead around it.
I just have never reallycompletely bought in to the
sweeping back and forth at theradio stations because, guys, if
you've never used one of thesedevices and if you've ever
watched any of these ghost, uh,I don't want to say the words, I
hate that, but any, uh, ghosthunting show, thank you, I was

(01:21:16):
gonna say it, but anyway, theyhave a device, it does it and it
picks up different things.
So does it work?
I agree with tony, it works.
However, whenever you hearsomething, it's not really in
the tone or in the voice of well, it can leave it open to right
extreme skepticism.

Because you're right, because how do you
determine as an investigatorwhat could be just leaked radio
voices or if they're actually?
Now, if you act, a direct ask,a direct question and you get a
direct answer.
We as investigators know thedifference.
But for someone just watching aTV show or someone that's
already very skeptical, they'llbe like, oh, that's just

(01:21:59):
coincidence, right?
Right, and it can be justcoincidence, sure, but this
takes all of that away andthat's what I find a little bit
like just phenomenal and howthey figured out how to do that.

Yeah, but I also think with with SB7 and stuff
like that, it takes training andit takes somebody who knows
what they're doing, like Sam,for example.
Yes, you know and you watch,and it's nothing for us to show
we're not allowed to or whetherwe are or not but there was a
conversation between her andsomebody else at Belvoir Winery

(01:22:34):
and she's a very talented personin what she does.
I don't think I could do it no,I'm terrible at it Right, and
it takes a trained ear to hearit.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you almost want something that kind
of cuts it out the problem withthe honeytone and the problem
with some of these things, thatwhile it cuts some of that delay
and that sound out, you losethat lower end and you lose some
of the highest yeah.
Right.
So you never know for sure, youcould be leaving a lot on the
table that you don't know about,whereas something like this,

(01:23:07):
that doesn't necessarily happen,that you don't know about,
whereas something like this,that doesn't necessarily happen.

So my favorite clip of what we watched
beforehand and then once againhere on the show is the clip
where it's like they realizethat he's actually speaking to
them, like they're just talking,and they then they're like, oh,
he can hear.
And what was?
It was like I think it was Roxy.

He's talking to us .

Like a surprise and I was like, oh my gosh,
that's really cool.
Yeah, it's super compelling allthis stuff that you guys go to
Please go, if you're even thismuch interested, and if you're
on the video, you can see me,but the audio it's like an inch,
not much there.
Go check it out, because itwill blow your mind.

(01:23:55):
There are some crazy videosthat he's got up.

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