November 9, 2022 • 40 mins
GG talks to Buck Ange l. An important conversation with an important person during important times.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Strawt Media. You know her from Shaws of Sunset.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You know she doesn't hold back. I'm a little bit
in the spotlight because I'm in the industry. We're in
cancel culture, and you know, you can't say anything wrong
these days, you cannot you can't fuck up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is genuinely g.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I would like to hear right in right on.
I'm a no for a play type of GOP.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Let's just do it, Let's just do it. Apparently we
did do something because Buck stepped in and I got wet. Literally.
Hopefully it dries off and I don't have the Kylie
Jenner lacked eating thing. Everybody. Welcome back, Angel to the show.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thank you. It's so cool that you reached out to me.
You're awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Thank you for saying that. Why do you think it's
cool that I reached.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Out, because not everybody does. I think sometimes they feel
intimidated because of who I am and what I do,
or you know, I'm kind of controversial and the whole transcene.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's what makes me just always want to be best
friends with someone always. Always.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I did check out your Instagram. You are so interesting.
Your mind works in mysterious ways. That is just so
enigmatic and intriguing that I had to bring you in
because I want to learn more and I want the
people who out there who listen to learn more.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's a big deal bringing awareness, especially at a time
like this. I think it's really important to do it
the right way.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Thank you. That means a lot to me that you
really see it might not be your community or whatever,
but that you see the importance of the convert You know,
we don't have conversation anymore. People are so weird about
saying things that might offend or not be on the
same side. I'm totally the opposite of that. I always
have stood alone and I always really will say what's
on my mind. I'm not scared to say that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So you just a second ago that you were surprised
I reached out to you because of who you are
what you are, and you said what you are. Can
you explain because I don't like that you said what
you are because you are who Okay, so explain to
everyone who's watching and listening what we meant by that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I kind of meant a lot of things, but
I think mostly what I meant is I'm a transsexual man,
and so what that means is that I was born female.
I'm a biological female who took testosterone thirty years ago.
I transitioned to live as a man, so I live
as a man. I am not a man. I live
as a man. I'm a biological female who what we
used to call sex change. So I sort of had
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a sex change to live and look like a man
and walk the world that way because I had something
called gender dysphoria. So with that, I've you know, now
we have a whole new transction.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yes we do. It's become very fashionable almost wow. And
it's leading and misleading in the same you know, token.
But it's important to understand because I think people who
don't understand the community, and not just the community, who
people because are in the community, I think are more
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bullies to transsexuals than people who are outside of it.
I think everyone on the outside has a bit of
a fear from a lack of knowledge, so we are
afraid to approach it because we're in cancel culture, and
you know, you can't say anything wrong these days, you cannot.
You can't find I'm a little bit in the spotlight
because I'm in the industry, and it's just I sweat
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every time I'm in this chair, like, oh my god,
did I say wrong? I'm it's it's exhausting, you know.
I feel like we should be able to make a
mistake out of pure interest of knowing what the right is.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's right, and so can make how do you make
how can you make an informed choice or a decision
if you're not getting all sides of the equation. I mean,
you know that's with a lots of things. And so
now people have put us in a position to fear
what you just said, to say something because we might
offend somebody. But I don't care if I offend you
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because easily no wild because I was in pornography. My
career started in pornography as a manner, as a woman.
As a man, I created the genre of trans mail
pornography twenty two years ago. Nobody even knew about a
guy like me. So I went into porn which, again
that's a whole other conversation. You know, people have issues,
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a whole conversation that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I want to have a sex toy company.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And then I got into the sex toy business. But
that being said, oh yeah, I'm also in that business. Yeah,
we'll talk about anyway. My point being is because I
have really done something that people hate more than they
hate sex changes, they hate porn. Porn is like the
evil of the world. Oh my god, everyone watches, but
they will deny it. So it made me have to
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grow a thick skin. So I think on some level
because of being a pornographer, I had to grow this
sort of thick skin to deal with all the hate.
And it's the same thing that's happening today. So I
have thick skin where you know, it's just words. The
words don't hurt me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I very thick skin is. Yeah, it doesn't mean
I still don't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, it takes a lot to hurt me. I'll be
honest with you because I'm so grounded in my transition.
I'm so grounded in who I am. I know I
don't need your validation, No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So why do you have to over exude that you
are trends?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right? That's why I do that, well, because I'm an
activist in that space, I think, And that's why because
it really pertains to a lot of what I talk about.
In the world, and it's not just about being trans
it's about really finding who you are. That's really my message.
My message comes through my transition, but I don't live
in my transition, if that, If that makes sense, I
really try to show the world that I came from homelessness,
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drug addiction, cutting, suicide attempts. I could go on and on,
and here I sit as I'm sixty years old. Now
are you I'm sixty? I can't when I say it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Are you drinking and taking weed? Well, honey, hello, if
anyone I'm about to be forty one in a month,
I mean good doctors, and I do swear by cannabis.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I get too. But also, I can tell you're a
happy person.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I can tell, but I am very similar to you.
I have a very very rough past. I had identity issues.
Mine were not gender. At an age, I did believe
I might have gender issues because I'm such a tomboy
and I'm so alpha, And then I realized no. I
was born in the beginning of the eighties where feminism
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was a new thing, and I thought my mom was
a lesbian only because she was always feminists feminist that
fuck men. So I felt like, yeah, you know I
drive a raptor. You know I'm very so I did
have identity issues both with my culture, with my gender,
and understanding who I was. I went through cutting, I
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got kicked out of ten schools, arrested drugs at the
age of eleven. So I did it also, I did
it all as well, and I was able to find
myself throughout all that somehow where now my roots, like
you are very fucking.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Deep right on my friend.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Hurts me still though, when I read those comments, and
I was reading your Instagram and I saw some of
the things. I feel like you are constantly educating people,
but it's almost like people are just sometimes assholes and
testing just to see certain responses, And for some reason
it bothers me still. It bothers me that we live
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in a world and I have a two year old son.
He has long hair and I don't care, you know,
and he has very small features, so everyone thinks he's
a girl. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, when people say, why don't you get.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
To say, it's still bothers me.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But I have a ten year old son, same thing.
He has long hair and people are like and one
time a kid thought he was a girl. He was
coming up to and he said, oh great, here comes
a girl, and my son, whose name is Jonah, turns
around and goes, I'm a boy. But it didn't bother him,
he laughed.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He doesn't bother you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No. And I'm all about gender stereotypes. What I mean
is I want to dismantle it's all about what you
just said. Because you are a butch or masculine girl
does not make you trans and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I've never even been remotely. I think women are so
fucking gorgeous, God bless them. They are a work of art.
But I've never been sexually turned on or aroused by
a woman. I just I think it's more psychological. Why
I am more, you know, alpha, And I feel felt like,
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you know, because I did grow up in a time
frame and a mother and a father who had two
girls to say, you can do everything a man can do.
It wasn't you can do anything in this world. It
was you could do whatever a man can do, meaning,
oh my god, if a man do it, that must
be a big achievement if I so, I started re
seeing that, Yeah, how did you Because we understand the
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medical side, that's sort of what you've gone through. What
about psychologically did you have to start thinking differently as
a man or was that already existing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, it's really interesting you asked that. So as a child,
I always I was very tomboy. I was a tomboy
like you blah blah blah, you know, and a lot
of people grow out of it, and they, you know, today,
they're saying, if you're a tomboy, you must be a
trans kid, which is so ridiculous and actually scary. So
that being it is, it's scary. So that being said,
you know, I always felt this masculinity. Going into high school.
I got teased because I was a very masculine girl
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and I was a gay woman for a while, and
I did, Oh yeah, I totally because back in the day,
I remember, I'm sixty, so this is I'm talking the
seventies and eighties where we didn't have any we didn't
talk about this, and to be a gay woman is
also just as bad as everything else, so you had
to hide. I had to hide myself for so many years.
It's all here I went. I've gone through ten years
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of psychology or psychologist before I transition. For you you have,
and I was one of the first here in Los
Angeles to do that thirty years ago, with no knowledge,
no understanding of it. And that's what I want people
to understand. It was life or death for me. I
got thirty years old, I transitioned and I could not
live as a woman. As much as I tried to,
I could not do it. And I, as an adult
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thirty years old, I made that choice, and that's what
we need to understand. Children can't make that choice.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
No, No, And I watched you did a podcast you
were talking about that about how young teenagers are going
through obviously their identity issues just like I went through,
you went through, and they make an irrational decision that
this is the new who I am and I need
to transition, and then they start the hormones and they start,
you know, all the stuff, and then they're like, it
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was a phase. Oh my god, it was a phase.
So God, when is an actual time for someone to
know they're ready?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's right? What a brilliant question that is?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
How did I? How did I know?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you trust yourself?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's why I went to a massive amount of therapy,
And it's what I keep saying to everybody. You got
to put these kids. You can't just give kids medicine.
It's coming from their brain. Why are you not sending
a kid to mental health care for years before you
even touch Why would we want to medicalize children. I'm
medicalize for the rest of my life. Right? Can I
have to shoot testosterone every week? I have to work out,
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I have to look to look this way. It's not natural.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that right there,
because that is a very important thing for people like
myself that don't understand the world that you live in daily.
That's right, the every minute to minute kind of situation.
You need to work out. Why does that make you
feel more of a man?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
My ultimate goal? And this is why we need to understand.
The trans community is not monolithic. We're not all the same.
We come to it for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now there's a whole new trans community that says you
don't even need to have genderness for you. You can
say you're trans, and that's actually insulting to a person
like me. I have a disorder. Yeah, it's very insulting.
So that being said, I do all of this because
it's how I want to the world to see me.
I can walk down the street. No one would ever
think that I used to be a female person ever. Ever,
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you can even get naked, and I don't have a
penis right because I didn't get that surgery. I can't
even get naked. And people are just like kind of
weirded out, like what is that they don't even understand.
So the point me is that I want to what
we call pass. I want to walk down the world.
I want to be a man. I don't want to
be a trans person. I don't live as a trans person.
I live as a man. You see the difference. This
is not an identity choice. This is an actual disorder,
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a medical disorder that I had to look change myself
to look at like a man so the world sees me.
That's the difference between a transsexual person and a transgender person. Yes,
totally different.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's important for people to understand you because it's uncomfortable
when we don't know these things and we are sitting
with someone as yourself, Buck, and we just have so
many questions and some people are afraid to ask. That's
what I'm here to do, you know, I do that
on my podcast. I like to shake the table. I
like to ask the questions so people are afraid to ask,
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because honestly, without asking your judging.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That is so brilliant. Actually, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
So we have to ask them because that's that's the
way we learn from the other person.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That's why I sit here. I'm willing to ask answer
every question, even if some people in my community find
it to be disrespectful. I'm like, how can a question
be disrespectful? Most people are coming to the questions with respect.
You're coming to me. It might be uncomfortable for some people,
but I want to educate you. I want you to
see me as this person so that now we can
just move on and we never have to talk about it.
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It's done.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So you do you like that to be a conversation star,
You're very open. Listen, this is who I am. X
y z An ask me your questions. I'll answer and then.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Let's move on. My friend, Let's smoke a joint and
move on. And that's right. I just want the world
to see me as a person. But because I've been
put into this space because of the children, I would
never be doing what I do and talking if I
didn't see this upswing and young girls. It's not young boys,
it's young girls. Four thousand percent upswing four thousand in
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transitioning young girls. These are girls under the age of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Social media, social contagion because it became on a sort
of cool thing to be trans.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The day it became fashionably became cool. And the test,
she's like, everyone's doing it audio get one's right, But
I'm laughed.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But at the same time, I just feel, you know,
as a dad, you know who has a kid who's
in this age group where kids at ten are coming
home and telling their parents on non binary. I'm I'm like,
where are they getting this language from? And how does
a kid know they're non binary?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Right, let's talk about that because we recently saw Demi
la Vada all over the press. She's so famous, world famous.
She came out as non binary, and then she decided
she wants to change back, right, And this is all
very new to me. So I don't know how if
there's like rules, you know, like because so many people
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seem to be offended that are in the community. So
I'm trying to understand. First of all, I don't understand
why does it even need to be announced, and you're
teaching me that's right now, you're saying it's it's something
I want someone to know, so we can, you know,
move past it immediately. Someone like to me, she needs
to go to the press and just announce to the
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world this is who I am, and then within the
same year saying no, I am not. Is that leaving
a bad and negative impression on the youth.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's and that's the why I try to distance myself
from that, because remember when I said earlier, these are
identity choices. I did not choose this. This is an
actual disorder, and it's why we need to sort of
distinguish the fact that some of these kids are identifying
as non binar, are identifying as trans without doing this
type of work right so they can immediately say oh,
never mind, I can say I can't ever say nevermind,
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and neither can a child that you start putting on medication.
So this is why this conversation is important. Those kids
are identifying again, I don't care if you identify as
a monkey. I really don't get right, because you can
always go back to identifying as.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A human unless your army hammer and you're identifying as
a cannibal, which is not cool. Hilarious. Yes, that's when
we got an isihit right on?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So DEMI you know I feel for her. I think,
you know, there's something going on there that we also
have to look at. There's some mental illness stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That is what I need to talk about. I think
a lot of people that live in a little bit
in a box assume that anyone who's trans must have
psychological and mental health issus.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
They don't realize there is actually something physically going on.
That's right, your bodies, that's right. And there is a
difference between those who do transition because of mental and
psychological issues and those who new and ly were born
with the dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's right. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It was Bruce was Bruce Jenner. This is the same.
It's gender dysphoria. Yep. He always identified that he needed to.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Be that's right. But again, he transitioned or she transitioned
at what age? Forty or fifty years old? Adult? Who cares?
That's really how I feel. Anybody who is an adult
and can make those This is a life changing Let's
be honest here, life changing. This is not so now
we have a huge upswing in kids, in people young
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people doing what I did and then de transitioning, who
have cut off their breasts, who have had hysterectomies at
eighteen years old. I'm sterilized from the testosterone. I could
you know you can't have babies?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
How did you have a child?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So my wife has the child. So she she's a
biological female. So she, you guys, used this owner, so
she already had the child when I met her. So
I adopted him. Yeah, I adopted him. I got so lucky.
And actually we're friends with the biological dad, so he's
in the family too. It's three of us have a
perfect little Oh we are People are jealous of us.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Are jealous. And I used a donor. I thought that
was the best way to go.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
No involvement, that's right, no involvement, because most of the
time it doesn't work this way. Yes, I went to
him when I first met her and the kid, and
I went to him and I said, let's talk, dude.
I respect you as the dad. You will always be
his dad. There will never ever, I will never take
that space from you. And so immediately me and him
just hugged and We were like solid with each other,
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and that was important to me because again that's you know,
this kid needs his actual biological.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Dad, Yes, any of his that's right, parents, that's right.
Having a ten year old you said, he's ten tight.
This is a tough age, you know, especially I was
born and raised in la and I went to obviously school,
ten is around the time where I began rebelling. By
the time of I was eleven, my drugs started. But
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it was a lot of constant bullying in school. I'm Persian,
I'm harrier, so I had a mustache, I was smaller,
I was a tomboy, so of course I was a boy.
I was a man. I was flat chested, so I
was Middle Eastern, so I was a camel or, you know.
So it was just things started happening at that age,
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and bullying becomes extremely deep. As a ten year old
who has a would I say step feather?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Is that the stepdad?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, has a stepdad that is very open about his journey.
Has he been teased? How is that for a child?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's such a good quest. Yeah, he got teases for
his long hair. You know, people are always saying things
to me, you look like a girl, you look like it,
and I'm always like, dude, don't let anyone ever tell
you that you know who you are. Boys can have
long hair, You can even pay your fingernails as far
as I you know what I mean. We could put
on a skirt. I don't really care. It's still it
doesn't not make you a dude. So he doesn't. He
only got teased for his hair. But he's so good.
He's such a good kid. He's just he doesn't care.
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Let's it roll off his back. And I think because
he sees me that same same way on some you know,
both of us, his mom too, we're like crazy. He
calls us hippie parents.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Hippy parents are the best.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
We're always getting I'm getting stoned and house because I
teach him about it. I said, this is this is
Dad's medication, because I want him to smell it. When
he gets older and he starts maybe wanting to, he's
going to remember that smell as Dad's medication, not as
a bad native exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
My sister has a fifteen year old and a ten
year old, and obviously the fifteen year old she knows
I smoke pod. She's at the age where, of course
she knows, she knows the smell of it, but they
have always known that. I've always called it my medicine.
That's because of my medical health and because of the
actual science on what this plant does for the body.
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I am more than proud and happy to always call
it a medicine. Me too, And I want my child
to know that. My sister, I don't know why she's
so uptight about it because she used to really smoke pod,
but she keeps calling it a drug. She goes, no,
I don't want my kids to think rugs are okay.
I'm like, which drugs are we talking about? Like, where's
the drugs?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't see any cocaine? Like right on, you know
you see it? You know what what? So it's just
you're right. It's about the parenting. And I think it's
very important to know because I have a lot of
parents out there, mother's, father's grandparents who listen to genuinely Gigi,
And it really is important how you structure your home,
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oh one hundred percent, and how you raise your children
and what they see you do. It's all they're going
to do. It doesn't matter what you tell them to do.
It's only what they see.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's right, that's so true, my friend, And so we
really try to model that, you know, Just like that's
why I tell him, never do. Don't you ever lie
to me? Ever, I don't care if you stole something,
you come and tell me or how bad you think
it is. So now, I don't know if you know.
But in the LA Unified School district, they're implementing these
sort of things where kids don't have to tell their
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parents if they want to change their name or if
they want to be a different gender at school, they
don't have to tell the parents. So they go to
school with this secret. I'm not even kidding, look at it.
It's actual real thing they're implementing. And my kid goes
to a private school. But in the LA Unified school
they're literally saying if telling the kid if you are
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non binary, or you want to have different pronouns or
you want to have a different name, we won't tell
your parents if you don't want us to. So I'm like,
that is teaching kids bad behavior. That is teaching kids
to lie to their parents.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's teaching them that there's a reason to hide it.
It must be something bad, right on, right onble unless
unless they're trying to protect the kids from a hostile home.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But that is true. But how many hostile environments do
you are do you think there are compared to great environments?
There's more great environments than there are hostile environments. But
it's not the place of a school to take over
a parent's right, the parents. I mean, the teacher should
be reporting that's right, that's right. Now. We put a
teacher in a position of power when we do stuff
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like that. That is Yeah, it's actually unbelievable that the
LA school system is doing that. It's scary. It's scary
trying to figure out what logical sensitive because what you
just said. They might have parents who don't want to
affirm that. If that's the only part, that's the only thing.
I'm like, but come on, man, some parents want to
work through this. You know, they want them to take
their kids to a psychiatrist and talk about it and
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and say, you know, it's there's a percentage of kids
who you just let them be, will desist, will grow
out of being trans will grow Look, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
True dangerous because it just teaches them to start secretly
having sex with their because now they have a comment
oh captain, my captain situation going there you go?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Can you imagine? That's right? It's going to trickle down.
It's going to trickle down to other crazy things.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The Catholic preachers daughters always the biggest slut.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The religion, well, it's real, mean real, is right. It's
no disrespect to the religion at all. It's actually, oh
my gosh, it's so real. Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
We need to just figure out a way to make
things acceptable because I don't. And this is what I
also don't understand, Like when the Black Lives Matter situation
happened before the point where all Lives matter came in
as a negative. My mentality has always been all lives matter.
(24:25):
But I didn't understand what it meant to the black
lives that I was saying this too. It was diminishing them.
So I don't want to diminish you when I say this.
I just see you as another human being. I don't
see a gender. And I don't know if that if
it insults someone or not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, I think that's love. You have love in your heart.
It means that you don't want me to be different.
It means that you accept me as a human being
on the face of this earth. That's what my whole
message is. We cannot be pushing against people to do
things that are not for them or not. You know,
you have to let people find their space in the world.
Whatever that is, religion, sexuality, gender, I don't whatever it is, right,
(25:09):
So my point being is when you say stuff like that,
it means you care, and it means all you want
is the best for people like me. So no, and know,
people get so insulted on the most insane stuff today.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Do the titles matter? If someone, for instance, to me again,
I'm non binary, I'm they them, you know, and it
becomes so pronounced that's right, that you get scared, Oh
she no, they them, And then at that point you
don't even want to have a conversation anymore because you're
just you don't even know what you're doing or saying.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And that's the fault of those people. Because it's a
new it's a cool thing to be. I really believe
non binary. Remember, non binary is not a disorder. I
have to go to a doctor.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
If I considered you a man, would you be insulted?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No? I live as a man. It's an actual compliment
it's a compliment.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't call yourself so.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I live as a man because I want people to
understand that I do not remove my biology. Okay, we're
on a space now in the trying. I also don't
want to insult people to say that that I wasn't
born female. I was born female and a human. I know,
but it's really important part of the message because they're
trying to dismantle this idea that biology is a social construct. No,
(26:21):
you're an actual biological woman, and all the guys here
are biological men. We need to have biology in the
picture in order for you to understand why I needed
to do this. I just needed for you to see
me as a man in the world, and you do.
I did my job done. I'm done. But the fact
that I have to sit here today and send to
all these places because I see children being put in
the picture. The only reason I sit and I put
(26:42):
my voice out there is because I care about kids,
and I don't want kids to be put in a
position where maybe in five years they're like, why did
I just do that? Why did I remove my breasts?
Why did I have a hysterectomy at sixteen? Now I
can never have kids. It's not a joke. It's like
people are just turning their head on this. I refuse
to turn my back on this. I just believe this
(27:04):
saved my life at thirty years old. Remember I made
the choice at thirty. I did not make the choice
at ten.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's a definite. I think a prime age to have
had experienced that some parts of life. Thank you for
her and sort of come around to maybe see this
feels right for me, Maybe this is who I am.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And I made the choice as an adult, and so
now we're putting that choice on parents. Can you imagine
if they said, well, guess what your kid is trans
and then what do you do? You start spinning out
because I say, if you don't transition your child, they're
going to kill themselves. They say stuff like that. That's
not true. They're putting parents in a position to there's
no other option when there is options. There's always options,
(27:46):
always always.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And with that being said, we're going to take a
quick break and we back because Bug has so much
for us, We're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But when we come back.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It felt suffocating that that's what I thought, my lesbian,
what's wrong with me? Everyone says, say I'm not the
right one, I go fuck yourself with the right one.
I want ten of the right ones at the same time.
So we were just we were just talking about uh sex,
(28:21):
toysm just we were about weed and getting involved in
the weed business. We both have a very similar passion
for cannabis. Yes, and all of the medicinal aspects of cannabis.
How does it help you? Like, what are the medicinal
aspects for you?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I insane, insomnia, off the charts insomnia. So I'm sober
thirty years might be more now from alcoholic I was, Oh,
it's a lot. I was an actual crackhead and everything
pipe was homeless crackhead. Oh my god, that's why I'm
just like I enjoy my life now.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh my gosh. On Valentine's Day one time sent this
to a guy. I said, you are crack to my pie.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So goody.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Sorry, Okay, So you were so you know you're sober
thirty years? Yes, and I'm also I got clean in
two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And drugs excellent.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And a lot of people don't understand when people who
say were sober, it's not weed. So what does that
mean to you? To be sober and smoking weed.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So what happened was I started to use those damn
sleeping pills. Okay, pharmaceutical right, where everyone's okay with pharmaceutical right.
It's so I started to Oh my god, I did
weird stuff in my sleep. I just like would wake
up with food in my bed, like insane. I'm like,
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Sarah because sarahicle did that to me. I don't know
which one, like bones, chicken, butter, peach seed, all the way.
I have ransom things in my bed with me. When
I was taking sea being pos.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh my god, no, it's horrible. So I was like,
I can't do this. This feels like drugs to me.
So my dude friends like, dude, try cannabis. I'm like,
I can't do cannabis. It's a drugs that and he's like,
you're taking sleeping pills. I'm like, yeah, uh, it totally connected.
So it was that was it was on. I smoked
the joint, I went to sleep for like ever and
(30:15):
I was like cured and ever since then, it's probably
been like probably eight or nine years I've been using
cannabis and I'm sober. So people call it California, right,
But I don't care. I'm sober. I don't owe anybody anything.
I'm sober in my own space, right, so I know
I can't. I don't do crack or cocaine or any
of this stuff I was totally hungry for. I don't
do any I don't even have a desire to do it.
(30:37):
So it's medication. Cannabis is a medication. It is.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I love cannabis, and obviously I have an autoimmune disease,
so it's anti inflammatory. Yes, helps me significantly, but also
I have to do weekly injections of chemotherapy, which that
sort of fucks me up, you know. Oh yeah, and
then I do monthly infusions on where you're sitting in
the chair for hours.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh wow, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So it's for me, it's everything, and I'm a little
fucking nutty. I'm cookie. I had anger issues, I had
a rough past. And again I've been therapy in my
whole life, which always was accommodating with medications. Some of
the medications were having auverse effects on me, making me crazier,
more hyper, eating in my sleep. And then my mom
(31:25):
was like, my mom's very Eastern medicine, so she goes,
I've done the research, the cannabise, he's the way to go.
So she found this amazing doctor in Santa Monica, doctor
Alan Frankel. He was an MD who had his license
stripped from him because he was giving cannabis to his patients.
(31:45):
But then cannabis became legalized in California. Unfortunately, doctor Frankle
just passed away. Oh wow. And I was able to
get a podcast with him before he passed. But he
was my doctor for many years, and he broke down
to me what this plant, this plant really is to
one hundred and fifty different aspects of this plant, not
(32:08):
just what people think of TC. And now everyone thinks
CBD is the core. Like, way do you guys hear
about CBGA?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Okay, way do you hear? So I see it in
so many ways as amazing and it just makes me
a better, more content person. Yes, and has a less
than nine percent addiction, right you know. So it's like,
come on, you see that something is natural healing. It's
much better than a little fucking pill you're taking.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But we're fighting against the pharmaceutical companies, right, that's why
it's a mess. That's right, And that's why even California
cannabis is a mess, I mean all of it. To
do it, it's so difficult, like it's just all, oh
my god, it's insane. You can't even it's so hard
to keep a business afloat in this horrible But they're
(32:56):
so dumb. It's bad business. They can be making so
much money. They're dumb. I mean, tex They're so stupid.
The jobs they could create, the businesses they could create.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, you know what, Mexico is fully legalized in cannabis. Interestingly,
you cannot buy or sell in Mexico, but you can
smoke weed.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You got to like imaginary and you can get into
But that's how the cartel, you know, obviously is working.
But that's also how we get cannabis in our black market.
So I feel like I'm listening. I'm a conspiracy theorist.
So yeah, and I don't want anything to do like
Cia is going to kill me in my seat right
now because I said something.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So we were talking cannabis, and then we started talking
about sex toys. So you were in porn and then
you got into the sex toy business. And I'm in
the sex wee business. Now, what was it like when
you got into the sexuy business?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So when I did it, I created the first transgender
sex toy in the world. So it never existed before.
What is what is called?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Why don't I have it on?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So it's called the buck off and they just stop.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Shot the door on.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So it's a stroker, it's a masturbator it and it's
a stroker for transgender men. Right, so I can get
a little graphic, but I'm not sure if it's very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Mold.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So basically, you know, the clitterist grows from the testosterone,
so yeah, it grows like a little baby penis. It's weird.
It's actually so bizarre what happens to your body. And
so this thing slips over the clitorist, so you're you're,
you know, masturbating like a man. So it makes you
feel like very masculine. And a lot of guys like
me didn't masturbate because we're so weirded out by our bodies.
And I wanted to encourage masturbation by creating a product
(34:44):
so you don't have to touch yourselck. And it blew up.
It became one of the fastest selling sex toys. I
did that five years ago, and then from there I
just started creating more products. So I created like, you know,
cock rings and lubrication and all kinds of specifically for
the trans but now I'm moving into the female. Yeah. Yeah,
so we should definitely about that because that's not a
(35:05):
beautiful market, and you know, the trans market's very small.
But so I lived as a woman for half my
life and I live as a man, so.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well that's the thing. It's like, my I'm so far
I've only made toys for vagina's I should say, I
don't want to say women, but that, but I mean
someone was like, can meuse I was like, I guess
of course they still the rectum that you could do.
Like yeah, but it's like there's so many different humans
(35:32):
out there that just desires differently.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So that is incredible, Thank your friend. Yeah, so that
just blew up for me. And then I just started,
you know, being in that market, which is amazing. I
love creating and creating all kinds of cool products and
just thinking ahead of you know, different types of bodies are.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So innovative, Thank you friend. Yeah, progressive and thoughtful because
you're seeing something that is beneficial to work for.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So it's more wellness. I like to call it a
well products. It's the same with cannabis. To meet cannabis
as wellness. They're all wellness. I'm putting them together to
create products for. And I think the female market is
underrepresented a lot, and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Was hoping to do that. So my ex boyfriend Dennis.
A lot of people have seen Dennis on my podcast
and you know on social media. He's been in the industry,
sex industry for about twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
He started out in the porn industry. He was the
largest porn production company in America. Huge, and then you know,
DVDs didn't exist anymore, right, you know, he fell out.
Now he's back and he's in the toy business. He
has huge, huge distribution.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So he has Pink pussy Cat. Oh yeah, that's oh wow, Yeah,
he's pretty big. He's like, listen, all I have is
porn stars. You are a single mother, you're educated, you
are relatable.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Why don't you reach out to a demographic of women
that don't feel comfortable necessarily buying that box with the
porn star? Right, and you know someone that's more of like, oh,
she's a single mom. She's right, you know, even the
toy might be the same. It's a matter different. No,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It doesn't matter because you're marketing to they're gonna trust
you because you're I don't want to use the word normal,
but you're just part of that. You're like them. And
that's why when I saw that you made a sex twice,
I was like, I love you even more, you know me,
because it's so important that a woman like you who's
not in the porn business. But it's just saying, look,
masturbation and pleasing ourselves is very important.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And I came out recently with being polyamorous. You know,
I I accept in my life. To me, I don't
know if I'm insulting you. We felt like I was
coming out of the closet when I when I I
was like, oh my god, I'm not crazy. I thought
something was wrong with me my entire life. There's something
wrong with me that I can't be in these normal relationships.
(37:49):
It felt suffocating, and that's what I thought. Am I lesbian?
Am I trans what's wrong with me? Everyone says you
haven't met the right one. I go from yourself with
the right one. I want ten of the right ones
at the time, me saying, you can have a child
on your own, you can build your own relationship dynamic
on your own. Why not just have orgasms on your own?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
No encouraging masturbation because as we know, women, women aren't
taught that. You know, your vagina is beautiful, sex is beautiful.
Please yourself before you please others. Women are taught the
opposite of what men are taught. So I just want
to commend you. Thank you so much for doing that.
It means a lot, No, it does. It means a
lot to me because I am really pro sex and
I think sex really helps people because I'm a happy
(38:34):
person because I have a lot of sex.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, I don't have any sex, I really doubt I
just masturbation. Yes, God bless my brother. I haven't had sex,
and maybe every year.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
At this point, you're going to get a lot of
calls now three years back. No, no, no, it's okay, it's okay.
It's actually important.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm not getting attracted to men so easily. More like
I get I what is the word for.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Those who are you have high stand?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I know it's like it's a word, it's like something
that we get. You get sexually aroused by someone who's
extremely int intelligent.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
There is a word for that's.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
The word, and it's like something, yes, I know exactly,
very very aroused by a brain intellect. I don't care
what the person looks like. And I have not come
across smart person saying a lot. Really, maybe you and
I can hang out, do meet some of your friends.
(39:29):
You need some of you you got, you got someone
I can't introduce you.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Of course we're cool people. Are you kidding? If you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Think you think you? Thank you so much? Thank you here?
Where can the whole world find you? And where can
someone if they need some motivation from you and to
hear you talk? Because you have a podcast, you do
a lot of speaking, You do a lot of educational
and informative speaking. So where can everyone find you if
they want to know?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Thank you? So so, I'm pretty much Buck Angel. Everyone
our Twitter, Instagram, I have my YouTube channel Buck Angel,
and you know I'm on the I'm on the TikTok,
but I'm not really liking it.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Don't get me started and nicked off. Like on the
third day for some reason, I was just blowing smoke
weed smoke out of my mouth and they a banned
me from TikTok.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's for the kids. I know I have to tread
lightly on there, but you know you're awesome. Thank you
so much, and thanks for all you do and put
out there.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
We'd love to have you back on and maybe you
and I can co host and have some guests together,
because you and I have a lot in common. We
do and it would be very fun to get some
conversations with you.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Thank you, Frank, you for being here. Thank you, Shoumo
join Let's do it. Thanks for listening to genuinely Gigi.
Download new episodes every week and if you haven't already,
subscribed and be sure to leave.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Us a rating and review.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And while you're at it, check out some of the
other great shows available on straw Hut Media.
Strawt Media. You know her from Shaws of Sunset.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
You know she doesn't hold back. I'm a little bit
in the spotlight because I'm in the industry. We're in
cancel culture, and you know, you can't say anything wrong
these days, you cannot you can't fuck up.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is genuinely g.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I would like to hear right in right on.
I'm a no for a play type of GOP.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Let's just do it, Let's just do it. Apparently we
did do something because Buck stepped in and I got wet. Literally.
Hopefully it dries off and I don't have the Kylie
Jenner lacked eating thing. Everybody. Welcome back, Angel to the show.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Thank you. It's so cool that you reached out to me.
You're awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Thank you for saying that. Why do you think it's
cool that I reached.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Out, because not everybody does. I think sometimes they feel
intimidated because of who I am and what I do,
or you know, I'm kind of controversial and the whole transcene.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's what makes me just always want to be best
friends with someone always. Always.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I did check out your Instagram. You are so interesting.
Your mind works in mysterious ways. That is just so
enigmatic and intriguing that I had to bring you in
because I want to learn more and I want the
people who out there who listen to learn more.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's a big deal bringing awareness, especially at a time
like this. I think it's really important to do it
the right way.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Thank you. That means a lot to me that you
really see it might not be your community or whatever,
but that you see the importance of the convert You know,
we don't have conversation anymore. People are so weird about
saying things that might offend or not be on the
same side. I'm totally the opposite of that. I always
have stood alone and I always really will say what's
on my mind. I'm not scared to say that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So you just a second ago that you were surprised
I reached out to you because of who you are
what you are, and you said what you are. Can
you explain because I don't like that you said what
you are because you are who Okay, so explain to
everyone who's watching and listening what we meant by that.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So I kind of meant a lot of things, but
I think mostly what I meant is I'm a transsexual man,
and so what that means is that I was born female.
I'm a biological female who took testosterone thirty years ago.
I transitioned to live as a man, so I live
as a man. I am not a man. I live
as a man. I'm a biological female who what we
used to call sex change. So I sort of had
(02:40):
a sex change to live and look like a man
and walk the world that way because I had something
called gender dysphoria. So with that, I've you know, now
we have a whole new transction.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yes we do. It's become very fashionable almost wow. And
it's leading and misleading in the same you know, token.
But it's important to understand because I think people who
don't understand the community, and not just the community, who
people because are in the community, I think are more
(03:11):
bullies to transsexuals than people who are outside of it.
I think everyone on the outside has a bit of
a fear from a lack of knowledge, so we are
afraid to approach it because we're in cancel culture, and
you know, you can't say anything wrong these days, you cannot.
You can't find I'm a little bit in the spotlight
because I'm in the industry, and it's just I sweat
(03:34):
every time I'm in this chair, like, oh my god,
did I say wrong? I'm it's it's exhausting, you know.
I feel like we should be able to make a
mistake out of pure interest of knowing what the right is.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's right, and so can make how do you make
how can you make an informed choice or a decision
if you're not getting all sides of the equation. I mean,
you know that's with a lots of things. And so
now people have put us in a position to fear
what you just said, to say something because we might
offend somebody. But I don't care if I offend you
(04:07):
because easily no wild because I was in pornography. My
career started in pornography as a manner, as a woman.
As a man, I created the genre of trans mail
pornography twenty two years ago. Nobody even knew about a
guy like me. So I went into porn which, again
that's a whole other conversation. You know, people have issues,
(04:28):
a whole conversation that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I want to have a sex toy company.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And then I got into the sex toy business. But
that being said, oh yeah, I'm also in that business. Yeah,
we'll talk about anyway. My point being is because I
have really done something that people hate more than they
hate sex changes, they hate porn. Porn is like the
evil of the world. Oh my god, everyone watches, but
they will deny it. So it made me have to
(04:54):
grow a thick skin. So I think on some level
because of being a pornographer, I had to grow this
sort of thick skin to deal with all the hate.
And it's the same thing that's happening today. So I
have thick skin where you know, it's just words. The
words don't hurt me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I very thick skin is. Yeah, it doesn't mean
I still don't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, it takes a lot to hurt me. I'll be
honest with you because I'm so grounded in my transition.
I'm so grounded in who I am. I know I
don't need your validation, No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So why do you have to over exude that you
are trends?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right? That's why I do that, well, because I'm an
activist in that space, I think, And that's why because
it really pertains to a lot of what I talk about.
In the world, and it's not just about being trans
it's about really finding who you are. That's really my message.
My message comes through my transition, but I don't live
in my transition, if that, If that makes sense, I
really try to show the world that I came from homelessness,
(05:49):
drug addiction, cutting, suicide attempts. I could go on and on,
and here I sit as I'm sixty years old. Now
are you I'm sixty? I can't when I say it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Are you drinking and taking weed? Well, honey, hello, if
anyone I'm about to be forty one in a month,
I mean good doctors, and I do swear by cannabis.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I get too. But also, I can tell you're a
happy person.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I can tell, but I am very similar to you.
I have a very very rough past. I had identity issues.
Mine were not gender. At an age, I did believe
I might have gender issues because I'm such a tomboy
and I'm so alpha, And then I realized no. I
was born in the beginning of the eighties where feminism
(06:37):
was a new thing, and I thought my mom was
a lesbian only because she was always feminists feminist that
fuck men. So I felt like, yeah, you know I
drive a raptor. You know I'm very so I did
have identity issues both with my culture, with my gender,
and understanding who I was. I went through cutting, I
(06:59):
got kicked out of ten schools, arrested drugs at the
age of eleven. So I did it also, I did
it all as well, and I was able to find
myself throughout all that somehow where now my roots, like
you are very fucking.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Deep right on my friend.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Hurts me still though, when I read those comments, and
I was reading your Instagram and I saw some of
the things. I feel like you are constantly educating people,
but it's almost like people are just sometimes assholes and
testing just to see certain responses, And for some reason
it bothers me still. It bothers me that we live
(07:38):
in a world and I have a two year old son.
He has long hair and I don't care, you know,
and he has very small features, so everyone thinks he's
a girl. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, when people say, why don't you get.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
To say, it's still bothers me.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But I have a ten year old son, same thing.
He has long hair and people are like and one
time a kid thought he was a girl. He was
coming up to and he said, oh great, here comes
a girl, and my son, whose name is Jonah, turns
around and goes, I'm a boy. But it didn't bother him,
he laughed.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He doesn't bother you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No. And I'm all about gender stereotypes. What I mean
is I want to dismantle it's all about what you
just said. Because you are a butch or masculine girl
does not make you trans and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I've never even been remotely. I think women are so
fucking gorgeous, God bless them. They are a work of art.
But I've never been sexually turned on or aroused by
a woman. I just I think it's more psychological. Why
I am more, you know, alpha, And I feel felt like,
(08:44):
you know, because I did grow up in a time
frame and a mother and a father who had two
girls to say, you can do everything a man can do.
It wasn't you can do anything in this world. It
was you could do whatever a man can do, meaning,
oh my god, if a man do it, that must
be a big achievement if I so, I started re
seeing that, Yeah, how did you Because we understand the
(09:07):
medical side, that's sort of what you've gone through. What
about psychologically did you have to start thinking differently as
a man or was that already existing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, it's really interesting you asked that. So as a child,
I always I was very tomboy. I was a tomboy
like you blah blah blah, you know, and a lot
of people grow out of it, and they, you know, today,
they're saying, if you're a tomboy, you must be a
trans kid, which is so ridiculous and actually scary. So
that being it is, it's scary. So that being said,
you know, I always felt this masculinity. Going into high school.
I got teased because I was a very masculine girl
(09:37):
and I was a gay woman for a while, and
I did, Oh yeah, I totally because back in the day,
I remember, I'm sixty, so this is I'm talking the
seventies and eighties where we didn't have any we didn't
talk about this, and to be a gay woman is
also just as bad as everything else, so you had
to hide. I had to hide myself for so many years.
It's all here I went. I've gone through ten years
(09:57):
of psychology or psychologist before I transition. For you you have,
and I was one of the first here in Los
Angeles to do that thirty years ago, with no knowledge,
no understanding of it. And that's what I want people
to understand. It was life or death for me. I
got thirty years old, I transitioned and I could not
live as a woman. As much as I tried to,
I could not do it. And I, as an adult
(10:18):
thirty years old, I made that choice, and that's what
we need to understand. Children can't make that choice.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
No, No, And I watched you did a podcast you
were talking about that about how young teenagers are going
through obviously their identity issues just like I went through,
you went through, and they make an irrational decision that
this is the new who I am and I need
to transition, and then they start the hormones and they start,
you know, all the stuff, and then they're like, it
(10:45):
was a phase. Oh my god, it was a phase.
So God, when is an actual time for someone to
know they're ready?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's right? What a brilliant question that is?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
How did I? How did I know?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you trust yourself?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's why I went to a massive amount of therapy,
And it's what I keep saying to everybody. You got
to put these kids. You can't just give kids medicine.
It's coming from their brain. Why are you not sending
a kid to mental health care for years before you
even touch Why would we want to medicalize children. I'm
medicalize for the rest of my life. Right? Can I
have to shoot testosterone every week? I have to work out,
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I have to look to look this way. It's not natural.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that right there,
because that is a very important thing for people like
myself that don't understand the world that you live in daily.
That's right, the every minute to minute kind of situation.
You need to work out. Why does that make you
feel more of a man?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
My ultimate goal? And this is why we need to understand.
The trans community is not monolithic. We're not all the same.
We come to it for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now there's a whole new trans community that says you
don't even need to have genderness for you. You can
say you're trans, and that's actually insulting to a person
like me. I have a disorder. Yeah, it's very insulting.
So that being said, I do all of this because
it's how I want to the world to see me.
I can walk down the street. No one would ever
think that I used to be a female person ever. Ever,
(12:10):
you can even get naked, and I don't have a
penis right because I didn't get that surgery. I can't
even get naked. And people are just like kind of
weirded out, like what is that they don't even understand.
So the point me is that I want to what
we call pass. I want to walk down the world.
I want to be a man. I don't want to
be a trans person. I don't live as a trans person.
I live as a man. You see the difference. This
is not an identity choice. This is an actual disorder,
(12:33):
a medical disorder that I had to look change myself
to look at like a man so the world sees me.
That's the difference between a transsexual person and a transgender person. Yes,
totally different.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's important for people to understand you because it's uncomfortable
when we don't know these things and we are sitting
with someone as yourself, Buck, and we just have so
many questions and some people are afraid to ask. That's
what I'm here to do, you know, I do that
on my podcast. I like to shake the table. I
like to ask the questions so people are afraid to ask,
(13:06):
because honestly, without asking your judging.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
That is so brilliant. Actually, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
So we have to ask them because that's that's the
way we learn from the other person.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That's why I sit here. I'm willing to ask answer
every question, even if some people in my community find
it to be disrespectful. I'm like, how can a question
be disrespectful? Most people are coming to the questions with respect.
You're coming to me. It might be uncomfortable for some people,
but I want to educate you. I want you to
see me as this person so that now we can
just move on and we never have to talk about it.
(13:38):
It's done.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So you do you like that to be a conversation star,
You're very open. Listen, this is who I am. X
y z An ask me your questions. I'll answer and then.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Let's move on. My friend, Let's smoke a joint and
move on. And that's right. I just want the world
to see me as a person. But because I've been
put into this space because of the children, I would
never be doing what I do and talking if I
didn't see this upswing and young girls. It's not young boys,
it's young girls. Four thousand percent upswing four thousand in
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transitioning young girls. These are girls under the age of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Social media, social contagion because it became on a sort
of cool thing to be trans.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The day it became fashionably became cool. And the test,
she's like, everyone's doing it audio get one's right, But
I'm laughed.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But at the same time, I just feel, you know,
as a dad, you know who has a kid who's
in this age group where kids at ten are coming
home and telling their parents on non binary. I'm I'm like,
where are they getting this language from? And how does
a kid know they're non binary?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Right, let's talk about that because we recently saw Demi
la Vada all over the press. She's so famous, world famous.
She came out as non binary, and then she decided
she wants to change back, right, And this is all
very new to me. So I don't know how if
there's like rules, you know, like because so many people
(15:10):
seem to be offended that are in the community. So
I'm trying to understand. First of all, I don't understand
why does it even need to be announced, and you're
teaching me that's right now, you're saying it's it's something
I want someone to know, so we can, you know,
move past it immediately. Someone like to me, she needs
to go to the press and just announce to the
(15:30):
world this is who I am, and then within the
same year saying no, I am not. Is that leaving
a bad and negative impression on the youth.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's and that's the why I try to distance myself
from that, because remember when I said earlier, these are
identity choices. I did not choose this. This is an
actual disorder, and it's why we need to sort of
distinguish the fact that some of these kids are identifying
as non binar, are identifying as trans without doing this
type of work right so they can immediately say oh,
never mind, I can say I can't ever say nevermind,
(16:02):
and neither can a child that you start putting on medication.
So this is why this conversation is important. Those kids
are identifying again, I don't care if you identify as
a monkey. I really don't get right, because you can
always go back to identifying as.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
A human unless your army hammer and you're identifying as
a cannibal, which is not cool. Hilarious. Yes, that's when
we got an isihit right on?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So DEMI you know I feel for her. I think,
you know, there's something going on there that we also
have to look at. There's some mental illness stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That is what I need to talk about. I think
a lot of people that live in a little bit
in a box assume that anyone who's trans must have
psychological and mental health issus.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
They don't realize there is actually something physically going on.
That's right, your bodies, that's right. And there is a
difference between those who do transition because of mental and
psychological issues and those who new and ly were born
with the dysphoria.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's right. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
It was Bruce was Bruce Jenner. This is the same.
It's gender dysphoria. Yep. He always identified that he needed to.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Be that's right. But again, he transitioned or she transitioned
at what age? Forty or fifty years old? Adult? Who cares?
That's really how I feel. Anybody who is an adult
and can make those This is a life changing Let's
be honest here, life changing. This is not so now
we have a huge upswing in kids, in people young
(17:33):
people doing what I did and then de transitioning, who
have cut off their breasts, who have had hysterectomies at
eighteen years old. I'm sterilized from the testosterone. I could
you know you can't have babies?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
How did you have a child?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So my wife has the child. So she she's a
biological female. So she, you guys, used this owner, so
she already had the child when I met her. So
I adopted him. Yeah, I adopted him. I got so lucky.
And actually we're friends with the biological dad, so he's
in the family too. It's three of us have a
perfect little Oh we are People are jealous of us.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Are jealous. And I used a donor. I thought that
was the best way to go.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
No involvement, that's right, no involvement, because most of the
time it doesn't work this way. Yes, I went to
him when I first met her and the kid, and
I went to him and I said, let's talk, dude.
I respect you as the dad. You will always be
his dad. There will never ever, I will never take
that space from you. And so immediately me and him
just hugged and We were like solid with each other,
(18:30):
and that was important to me because again that's you know,
this kid needs his actual biological.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Dad, Yes, any of his that's right, parents, that's right.
Having a ten year old you said, he's ten tight.
This is a tough age, you know, especially I was
born and raised in la and I went to obviously school,
ten is around the time where I began rebelling. By
the time of I was eleven, my drugs started. But
(18:56):
it was a lot of constant bullying in school. I'm Persian,
I'm harrier, so I had a mustache, I was smaller,
I was a tomboy, so of course I was a boy.
I was a man. I was flat chested, so I
was Middle Eastern, so I was a camel or, you know.
So it was just things started happening at that age,
(19:16):
and bullying becomes extremely deep. As a ten year old
who has a would I say step feather?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Is that the stepdad?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, has a stepdad that is very open about his journey.
Has he been teased? How is that for a child?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's such a good quest. Yeah, he got teases for
his long hair. You know, people are always saying things
to me, you look like a girl, you look like it,
and I'm always like, dude, don't let anyone ever tell
you that you know who you are. Boys can have
long hair, You can even pay your fingernails as far
as I you know what I mean. We could put
on a skirt. I don't really care. It's still it
doesn't not make you a dude. So he doesn't. He
only got teased for his hair. But he's so good.
He's such a good kid. He's just he doesn't care.
(19:55):
Let's it roll off his back. And I think because
he sees me that same same way on some you know,
both of us, his mom too, we're like crazy. He
calls us hippie parents.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Hippy parents are the best.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
We're always getting I'm getting stoned and house because I
teach him about it. I said, this is this is
Dad's medication, because I want him to smell it. When
he gets older and he starts maybe wanting to, he's
going to remember that smell as Dad's medication, not as
a bad native exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
My sister has a fifteen year old and a ten
year old, and obviously the fifteen year old she knows
I smoke pod. She's at the age where, of course
she knows, she knows the smell of it, but they
have always known that. I've always called it my medicine.
That's because of my medical health and because of the
actual science on what this plant does for the body.
(20:44):
I am more than proud and happy to always call
it a medicine. Me too, And I want my child
to know that. My sister, I don't know why she's
so uptight about it because she used to really smoke pod,
but she keeps calling it a drug. She goes, no,
I don't want my kids to think rugs are okay.
I'm like, which drugs are we talking about? Like, where's
the drugs?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't see any cocaine? Like right on, you know
you see it? You know what what? So it's just
you're right. It's about the parenting. And I think it's
very important to know because I have a lot of
parents out there, mother's, father's grandparents who listen to genuinely Gigi,
And it really is important how you structure your home,
(21:24):
oh one hundred percent, and how you raise your children
and what they see you do. It's all they're going
to do. It doesn't matter what you tell them to do.
It's only what they see.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's right, that's so true, my friend, And so we
really try to model that, you know, Just like that's
why I tell him, never do. Don't you ever lie
to me? Ever, I don't care if you stole something,
you come and tell me or how bad you think
it is. So now, I don't know if you know.
But in the LA Unified School district, they're implementing these
sort of things where kids don't have to tell their
(21:52):
parents if they want to change their name or if
they want to be a different gender at school, they
don't have to tell the parents. So they go to
school with this secret. I'm not even kidding, look at it.
It's actual real thing they're implementing. And my kid goes
to a private school. But in the LA Unified school
they're literally saying if telling the kid if you are
(22:13):
non binary, or you want to have different pronouns or
you want to have a different name, we won't tell
your parents if you don't want us to. So I'm like,
that is teaching kids bad behavior. That is teaching kids
to lie to their parents.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It's teaching them that there's a reason to hide it.
It must be something bad, right on, right onble unless
unless they're trying to protect the kids from a hostile home.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But that is true. But how many hostile environments do
you are do you think there are compared to great environments?
There's more great environments than there are hostile environments. But
it's not the place of a school to take over
a parent's right, the parents. I mean, the teacher should
be reporting that's right, that's right. Now. We put a
teacher in a position of power when we do stuff
(22:58):
like that. That is Yeah, it's actually unbelievable that the
LA school system is doing that. It's scary. It's scary
trying to figure out what logical sensitive because what you
just said. They might have parents who don't want to
affirm that. If that's the only part, that's the only thing.
I'm like, but come on, man, some parents want to
work through this. You know, they want them to take
their kids to a psychiatrist and talk about it and
(23:20):
and say, you know, it's there's a percentage of kids
who you just let them be, will desist, will grow
out of being trans will grow Look, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
True dangerous because it just teaches them to start secretly
having sex with their because now they have a comment
oh captain, my captain situation going there you go?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Can you imagine? That's right? It's going to trickle down.
It's going to trickle down to other crazy things.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The Catholic preachers daughters always the biggest slut.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The religion, well, it's real, mean real, is right. It's
no disrespect to the religion at all. It's actually, oh
my gosh, it's so real. Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
We need to just figure out a way to make
things acceptable because I don't. And this is what I
also don't understand, Like when the Black Lives Matter situation
happened before the point where all Lives matter came in
as a negative. My mentality has always been all lives matter.
(24:25):
But I didn't understand what it meant to the black
lives that I was saying this too. It was diminishing them.
So I don't want to diminish you when I say this.
I just see you as another human being. I don't
see a gender. And I don't know if that if
it insults someone or not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, I think that's love. You have love in your heart.
It means that you don't want me to be different.
It means that you accept me as a human being
on the face of this earth. That's what my whole
message is. We cannot be pushing against people to do
things that are not for them or not. You know,
you have to let people find their space in the world.
Whatever that is, religion, sexuality, gender, I don't whatever it is, right,
(25:09):
So my point being is when you say stuff like that,
it means you care, and it means all you want
is the best for people like me. So no, and know,
people get so insulted on the most insane stuff today.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Do the titles matter? If someone, for instance, to me again,
I'm non binary, I'm they them, you know, and it
becomes so pronounced that's right, that you get scared, Oh
she no, they them, And then at that point you
don't even want to have a conversation anymore because you're
just you don't even know what you're doing or saying.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And that's the fault of those people. Because it's a
new it's a cool thing to be. I really believe
non binary. Remember, non binary is not a disorder. I
have to go to a doctor.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
If I considered you a man, would you be insulted?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No? I live as a man. It's an actual compliment
it's a compliment.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't call yourself so.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I live as a man because I want people to
understand that I do not remove my biology. Okay, we're
on a space now in the trying. I also don't
want to insult people to say that that I wasn't
born female. I was born female and a human. I know,
but it's really important part of the message because they're
trying to dismantle this idea that biology is a social construct. No,
(26:21):
you're an actual biological woman, and all the guys here
are biological men. We need to have biology in the
picture in order for you to understand why I needed
to do this. I just needed for you to see
me as a man in the world, and you do.
I did my job done. I'm done. But the fact
that I have to sit here today and send to
all these places because I see children being put in
the picture. The only reason I sit and I put
(26:42):
my voice out there is because I care about kids,
and I don't want kids to be put in a
position where maybe in five years they're like, why did
I just do that? Why did I remove my breasts?
Why did I have a hysterectomy at sixteen? Now I
can never have kids. It's not a joke. It's like
people are just turning their head on this. I refuse
to turn my back on this. I just believe this
(27:04):
saved my life at thirty years old. Remember I made
the choice at thirty. I did not make the choice
at ten.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's a definite. I think a prime age to have
had experienced that some parts of life. Thank you for
her and sort of come around to maybe see this
feels right for me, Maybe this is who I am.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And I made the choice as an adult, and so
now we're putting that choice on parents. Can you imagine
if they said, well, guess what your kid is trans
and then what do you do? You start spinning out
because I say, if you don't transition your child, they're
going to kill themselves. They say stuff like that. That's
not true. They're putting parents in a position to there's
no other option when there is options. There's always options,
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always always.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And with that being said, we're going to take a
quick break and we back because Bug has so much
for us, We're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
But when we come back.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It felt suffocating that that's what I thought, my lesbian,
what's wrong with me? Everyone says, say I'm not the
right one, I go fuck yourself with the right one.
I want ten of the right ones at the same time.
So we were just we were just talking about uh sex,
(28:21):
toysm just we were about weed and getting involved in
the weed business. We both have a very similar passion
for cannabis. Yes, and all of the medicinal aspects of cannabis.
How does it help you? Like, what are the medicinal
aspects for you?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I insane, insomnia, off the charts insomnia. So I'm sober
thirty years might be more now from alcoholic I was, Oh,
it's a lot. I was an actual crackhead and everything
pipe was homeless crackhead. Oh my god, that's why I'm
just like I enjoy my life now.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh my gosh. On Valentine's Day one time sent this
to a guy. I said, you are crack to my pie.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So goody.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Sorry, Okay, So you were so you know you're sober
thirty years? Yes, and I'm also I got clean in
two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And drugs excellent.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And a lot of people don't understand when people who
say were sober, it's not weed. So what does that
mean to you? To be sober and smoking weed.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So what happened was I started to use those damn
sleeping pills. Okay, pharmaceutical right, where everyone's okay with pharmaceutical right.
It's so I started to Oh my god, I did
weird stuff in my sleep. I just like would wake
up with food in my bed, like insane. I'm like,
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Sarah because sarahicle did that to me. I don't know
which one, like bones, chicken, butter, peach seed, all the way.
I have ransom things in my bed with me. When
I was taking sea being pos.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh my god, no, it's horrible. So I was like,
I can't do this. This feels like drugs to me.
So my dude friends like, dude, try cannabis. I'm like,
I can't do cannabis. It's a drugs that and he's like,
you're taking sleeping pills. I'm like, yeah, uh, it totally connected.
So it was that was it was on. I smoked
the joint, I went to sleep for like ever and
(30:15):
I was like cured and ever since then, it's probably
been like probably eight or nine years I've been using
cannabis and I'm sober. So people call it California, right,
But I don't care. I'm sober. I don't owe anybody anything.
I'm sober in my own space, right, so I know
I can't. I don't do crack or cocaine or any
of this stuff I was totally hungry for. I don't
do any I don't even have a desire to do it.
(30:37):
So it's medication. Cannabis is a medication. It is.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I love cannabis, and obviously I have an autoimmune disease,
so it's anti inflammatory. Yes, helps me significantly, but also
I have to do weekly injections of chemotherapy, which that
sort of fucks me up, you know. Oh yeah, and
then I do monthly infusions on where you're sitting in
the chair for hours.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh wow, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So it's for me, it's everything, and I'm a little
fucking nutty. I'm cookie. I had anger issues, I had
a rough past. And again I've been therapy in my
whole life, which always was accommodating with medications. Some of
the medications were having auverse effects on me, making me crazier,
more hyper, eating in my sleep. And then my mom
(31:25):
was like, my mom's very Eastern medicine, so she goes,
I've done the research, the cannabise, he's the way to go.
So she found this amazing doctor in Santa Monica, doctor
Alan Frankel. He was an MD who had his license
stripped from him because he was giving cannabis to his patients.
(31:45):
But then cannabis became legalized in California. Unfortunately, doctor Frankle
just passed away. Oh wow. And I was able to
get a podcast with him before he passed. But he
was my doctor for many years, and he broke down
to me what this plant, this plant really is to
one hundred and fifty different aspects of this plant, not
(32:08):
just what people think of TC. And now everyone thinks
CBD is the core. Like, way do you guys hear
about CBGA?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Okay, way do you hear? So I see it in
so many ways as amazing and it just makes me
a better, more content person. Yes, and has a less
than nine percent addiction, right you know. So it's like,
come on, you see that something is natural healing. It's
much better than a little fucking pill you're taking.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But we're fighting against the pharmaceutical companies, right, that's why
it's a mess. That's right, And that's why even California
cannabis is a mess, I mean all of it. To
do it, it's so difficult, like it's just all, oh
my god, it's insane. You can't even it's so hard
to keep a business afloat in this horrible But they're
(32:56):
so dumb. It's bad business. They can be making so
much money. They're dumb. I mean, tex They're so stupid.
The jobs they could create, the businesses they could create.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, you know what, Mexico is fully legalized in cannabis. Interestingly,
you cannot buy or sell in Mexico, but you can
smoke weed.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You got to like imaginary and you can get into
But that's how the cartel, you know, obviously is working.
But that's also how we get cannabis in our black market.
So I feel like I'm listening. I'm a conspiracy theorist.
So yeah, and I don't want anything to do like
Cia is going to kill me in my seat right
now because I said something.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So we were talking cannabis, and then we started talking
about sex toys. So you were in porn and then
you got into the sex toy business. And I'm in
the sex wee business. Now, what was it like when
you got into the sexuy business?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So when I did it, I created the first transgender
sex toy in the world. So it never existed before.
What is what is called?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Why don't I have it on?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So it's called the buck off and they just stop.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Shot the door on.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So it's a stroker, it's a masturbator it and it's
a stroker for transgender men. Right, so I can get
a little graphic, but I'm not sure if it's very comfortable.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Mold.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So basically, you know, the clitterist grows from the testosterone,
so yeah, it grows like a little baby penis. It's weird.
It's actually so bizarre what happens to your body. And
so this thing slips over the clitorist, so you're you're,
you know, masturbating like a man. So it makes you
feel like very masculine. And a lot of guys like
me didn't masturbate because we're so weirded out by our bodies.
And I wanted to encourage masturbation by creating a product
(34:44):
so you don't have to touch yourselck. And it blew up.
It became one of the fastest selling sex toys. I
did that five years ago, and then from there I
just started creating more products. So I created like, you know,
cock rings and lubrication and all kinds of specifically for
the trans but now I'm moving into the female. Yeah. Yeah,
so we should definitely about that because that's not a
(35:05):
beautiful market, and you know, the trans market's very small.
But so I lived as a woman for half my
life and I live as a man, so.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well that's the thing. It's like, my I'm so far
I've only made toys for vagina's I should say, I
don't want to say women, but that, but I mean
someone was like, can meuse I was like, I guess
of course they still the rectum that you could do.
Like yeah, but it's like there's so many different humans
(35:32):
out there that just desires differently.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
So that is incredible, Thank your friend. Yeah, so that
just blew up for me. And then I just started,
you know, being in that market, which is amazing. I
love creating and creating all kinds of cool products and
just thinking ahead of you know, different types of bodies are.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
So innovative, Thank you friend. Yeah, progressive and thoughtful because
you're seeing something that is beneficial to work for.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
So it's more wellness. I like to call it a
well products. It's the same with cannabis. To meet cannabis
as wellness. They're all wellness. I'm putting them together to
create products for. And I think the female market is
underrepresented a lot, and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Was hoping to do that. So my ex boyfriend Dennis.
A lot of people have seen Dennis on my podcast
and you know on social media. He's been in the industry,
sex industry for about twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
He started out in the porn industry. He was the
largest porn production company in America. Huge, and then you know,
DVDs didn't exist anymore, right, you know, he fell out.
Now he's back and he's in the toy business. He
has huge, huge distribution.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So he has Pink pussy Cat. Oh yeah, that's oh wow, Yeah,
he's pretty big. He's like, listen, all I have is
porn stars. You are a single mother, you're educated, you
are relatable.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Why don't you reach out to a demographic of women
that don't feel comfortable necessarily buying that box with the
porn star? Right, and you know someone that's more of like, oh,
she's a single mom. She's right, you know, even the
toy might be the same. It's a matter different. No,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
It doesn't matter because you're marketing to they're gonna trust
you because you're I don't want to use the word normal,
but you're just part of that. You're like them. And
that's why when I saw that you made a sex twice,
I was like, I love you even more, you know me,
because it's so important that a woman like you who's
not in the porn business. But it's just saying, look,
masturbation and pleasing ourselves is very important.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And I came out recently with being polyamorous. You know,
I I accept in my life. To me, I don't
know if I'm insulting you. We felt like I was
coming out of the closet when I when I I
was like, oh my god, I'm not crazy. I thought
something was wrong with me my entire life. There's something
wrong with me that I can't be in these normal relationships.
(37:49):
It felt suffocating, and that's what I thought. Am I lesbian?
Am I trans what's wrong with me? Everyone says you
haven't met the right one. I go from yourself with
the right one. I want ten of the right ones
at the time, me saying, you can have a child
on your own, you can build your own relationship dynamic
on your own. Why not just have orgasms on your own?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
No encouraging masturbation because as we know, women, women aren't
taught that. You know, your vagina is beautiful, sex is beautiful.
Please yourself before you please others. Women are taught the
opposite of what men are taught. So I just want
to commend you. Thank you so much for doing that.
It means a lot, No, it does. It means a
lot to me because I am really pro sex and
I think sex really helps people because I'm a happy
(38:34):
person because I have a lot of sex.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, I don't have any sex, I really doubt I
just masturbation. Yes, God bless my brother. I haven't had sex,
and maybe every year.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
At this point, you're going to get a lot of
calls now three years back. No, no, no, it's okay, it's okay.
It's actually important.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'm not getting attracted to men so easily. More like
I get I what is the word for.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Those who are you have high stand?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I know it's like it's a word, it's like something
that we get. You get sexually aroused by someone who's
extremely int intelligent.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
There is a word for that's.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
The word, and it's like something, yes, I know exactly,
very very aroused by a brain intellect. I don't care
what the person looks like. And I have not come
across smart person saying a lot. Really, maybe you and
I can hang out, do meet some of your friends.
(39:29):
You need some of you you got, you got someone
I can't introduce you.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Of course we're cool people. Are you kidding? If you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Think you think you? Thank you so much? Thank you here?
Where can the whole world find you? And where can
someone if they need some motivation from you and to
hear you talk? Because you have a podcast, you do
a lot of speaking, You do a lot of educational
and informative speaking. So where can everyone find you if
they want to know?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Thank you? So so, I'm pretty much Buck Angel. Everyone
our Twitter, Instagram, I have my YouTube channel Buck Angel,
and you know I'm on the I'm on the TikTok,
but I'm not really liking it.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Don't get me started and nicked off. Like on the
third day for some reason, I was just blowing smoke
weed smoke out of my mouth and they a banned
me from TikTok.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's for the kids. I know I have to tread
lightly on there, but you know you're awesome. Thank you
so much, and thanks for all you do and put
out there.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
We'd love to have you back on and maybe you
and I can co host and have some guests together,
because you and I have a lot in common. We
do and it would be very fun to get some
conversations with you.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Thank you, Frank, you for being here. Thank you, Shoumo
join Let's do it. Thanks for listening to genuinely Gigi.
Download new episodes every week and if you haven't already,
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