November 16, 2022 • 32 mins
GG chats with someone she became so fancinates with, Mortellus. Mortellus explains to GG all of her titles which range from Witch, to Necromancer, to Mortician.
PLUS Mortellus makes jewlery with bones?
Where does she get the bones?
PLUS Mortellus makes jewlery with bones?
Where does she get the bones?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of
Genuinely Gig. I am really excited about today's guests because,
oh my goodness, Mortalis is someone that most people just
have honestly no idea what it is that they do
because they go as the title witch, neckremancer, mortician, and
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also an author. So I didn't know what a necromancer
was either. We're going to find out right now, but
we're going to put all the other words in relevance
to like what is a witch? What does a mortician
actually do? And I found out that Mortalis collects human
bones to make jewelry. We're going to find out how
do they get access to these human bones? And what
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is witchcraft? You know her from Shaws of Sunset. You
know she doesn't hold back. This kid was always wearing
jewelry that looked like bones, and so in my mind,
I'm thinking, psycho, what is he a witch? This is
genuinely gg for everyone out there joining us today. We
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have Mortellus and Mortalis is very interesting and fascinating in
the world and lifestyle that she lives and leads. She
is a witch, a nick crumencer. Am I saying that correctly.
Kremin Spencer net Cremencer, a mortician, a medium, and you
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are also an author of the book The Bones Fall
in a Spiral. So everybody please welcome Mortalis to genuinely Gigi, Hi, Mortalis,
how are you Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wonderful, Thank you very much for helping me. This is
a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Just a second ago, I was asking you where you
are located right now, and you said you're in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, here in the beautiful full Blue Ridge Mountains part
of Appalachia. Here in western North Carolina. It's a really
beautiful part of the country.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I bet, I bet. And you said you have like
tornado watches over there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's been quite a stormy day, just the wind
whipping around and thunder and lightning.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't know about you, but there's something really beautiful
about that kind of chaos.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's very it is it's a turn on because there's
this element of lack of control, you know, this of
this something so big and you know, intense kind of
like religion for some people, right this God that so
people speak about. So I can understand your your passion
towards it. For me, I would prefer the earthquakes and brushfires.
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A wee get in and that's tornado. You know what
I mean. I know how to stop, drop and roll
for the fire. And you know what I mean, I
know how to go make the pyramid shape for protection
these days. That's our new earthquake is pyramid shape. But
let me ask you something. What takes people to North
Carolina or makes people stay in North Carolina when they
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know that there might be a tornado in their backyard?
What brought you there? Were you born there?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And I should say tornadoes are not actually really common here.
We've seen probably more tornado watches this year alone that
I've seen in my whole life. They're really uncommon. But
I was born in this area and I stay because
I don't know, there's something about the mountains that kind
of call to you. They say that the Appalachian Mountains
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are such an old feature of geology that some of
the caves are older than bones. There aren't even records
of those kinds of remains in some of the caves.
And there's just something about that ancient quality that's really humbling,
and I think that attracts people to stay here.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Did you grow up with a passion as you speak
about right now as an adult, because you are a mortician,
and I know there are different types of morticians, but
I also saw that you make a custom jewelry from
bones and some of them are human bones? Correct? Or
are they all human bone?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They're all human bones.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So where Mike, first question would of course be where
did we get the bones from?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You know, that's always the question, A good question.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So interestingly, so all the pieces I work with are
retired medical specimens, and there was a time in history
when any medical student would have been assigned at least
a skull as part of you. You get your textbooks
and you get your skull, and that's what you take home.
So you'd be amazed they're sitting around in closets all
over the world. Would just somebody's grandpa was a dentist
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or whatever. And when family members uncover those, they're inevitably
either sold into collections or donated to schools and that
sort of thing. And when they're no longer appropriate for
a collection, or someone longer wishes to have them, they'll
sell them to someone else. And I have a tender
spot for collecting pieces that have been damaged in some
way and would be sort of relegated to the trash
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more or less because I don't really have a history
to them, and it's not like these are all donor pieces,
so they're rather anonymous. So I like taking that and
making them into something new and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's that's an amazing and personal journey of what you've
done with these bones. But I have to ask the
literal and logical questions of like when you say the
bones are instead of them going to the trash, you
find ways to do something beautiful with them? Is there?
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I don't know? For instance, I wouldn't know where to
look in, which trash cans to look in? And how
do you have to ask legal permission? Because I'm very serious.
I went I got in a lot of trouble growing up.
I went to a lot of high schools. One of
the high schools I went to was this kid. I
remember we were in class and the police came in
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and arrested this kid and took them off. They didn't
put them in the cops, they took them and off.
What we ended up finding out was this kid was
always wearing really interesting and unique jewelry that looked like bones.
And what they ended up finding out was, I guess
someone put a complaint and that he was taking dead
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animals from the streets and from that he was getting
their bones. And I'm maybe fifteen sixteen, so in my
mind I'm thinking psycho, what is he a witch? And
then here we are now that I'm almost forty one
years old, and I'm sitting with someone that is a
self proclaimed which so I would love for you to
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teach me, and a lot of the people who are
out there listening, and a lot of society in general
who has a preconceived notion of what that word really means.
Which what does that mean? Martalis?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I can say a little bit about the person who
went to school with the odds are someone made a
complaint because they were scared and the police got involved.
Not really understanding, but odds are they probably had no
charges or anything like that. Lots of people collect pieces
like that so they can do tax germy work with it.
The only legal issue there with those kinds of remains.
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The bigger issue is being safe, making sure you're not
contracting a zoological disease. But there are animals that are
endangered or protected or migratory birds and those sorts of things.
You cannot possess those kinds of remains. So there are
all kinds of little legal hanks and kinks in the
process along the way. But to answer your question, what
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is a witch? I think that's such a loaded question
because we live in a world where society has lots
of ugly words to call people who are assigned female
at birth. And that's been my life experience. I have
a uterus, I've given birth to children that I spent
my life being called women, even though I identify as non binary.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now, but do you fly on a broomstick?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, that's a terrible stereotype.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's terrible. That's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So that's exactly, you know, that's what we're here to do,
exactly because I think there and I want to relate
it to the color black and you know, Halloween and
all these ideas that society has sort of drawn for
everyone to think what that word means. So I would love, love,
love for you to break it down for us.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Kind of throughout history, we would have used the word
witch to deem It was a word that we would
use for someone who was less than desirable. If we
look back at things like the Burning Times or witch trials.
We're seeing people who were women who owned property, divorced
women or whose spouse had died, people who were unhomed,
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had mental health issues, those sorts of things. They were
always sort of othered and ostracized, and they often wound
up on the wrong end of those kinds of things.
Up until around the Wizard of oz A, which would
have probably summoned to mind the idea of an elderly woman.
We really see things like the broom and the points
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he had in the green skin, and those things come
in because of these movies, but they are stereotypes and
they're pretty hurtful ones. But for people today who use
that word for themselves, we're talking about people who are
reclaiming the idea of sort of pre Christian faith practices. Really,
Christianity is a loaded thing in the first place, but
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we have this idea that anything that isn't that is
something wrong, especially in America, we have this kind of
Americanized idea of Christianity as being the thing right right.
But when you when you have people who are looking
at the word pagan as a pejorative, really that word
just means not Christian, and that would be any faith practice.
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Anything that is not Christian is pagan according to that usage. Sorry,
there's a little moth like all faith. It's just like
menacing me right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Now, someone's watching you. Someone's watching.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But so we're sort of reclaiming that words as our
own power, as a way of saying, yes, I'm exactly
the kind of thing you might have once burnt. I'm
different from you. But it's it's a word that really
just defines a practitioner of a certain kind of pre
Christian faith practice. More or less, you're a strong independent person.
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You own things, you decide what your world is. In
another time, in another place, someone would be calling you
a witch.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, oh my god, I'm Usually they usually put the
B in front of it instead of the W. But
you know, that's a different conversation. You know, when I
look back in time and in movies, Hollywood movies, and
in stories and everything that we read that has anything
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to do with witches, my logical self, my adult to
logical self, only sees that these people were probably healers
with natural remedies of some sort that other people were
not educated enough or are qualified or had access to
right to heal, and then the person healed, and it
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wasn't God doing the work, it was now the witch.
So you had to kill the witch because they just
did some witchcraft. Right, So that's how I always saw that.
For some reason, witches we're seeing seeming as bad and
his but I see them as healers. If that makes sense?
Does that? Does that? Is that real do? Which is heal?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Accurate?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Every every person is different, obviously, every practitioner of whatever
faith group, and really we're talking about all kinds of
different people, but some do particularly work with healing, and I,
for one, work with death. I'm as a mortician, as
a death care worker, I'm really inclined toward helping people
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heal from grief. I do mediumship and help people communicate
with their deceased loved ones and that sort of thing,
And I would consider that healing even if I'm not
giving someone herbs to heal an illness or something like that.
But I do think you're right, there is this sort
of idea that anyone that sort of existed outside the paradigm, right,
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if if you could live your existence without the support
of the church or some old white guy and their money,
you're a witch. But you're you're breaking the system. You're
encouraging people to look outside that box, right, And I
think that's still true today when we look at the
villainization of say the LGBTQ community and anybody that has
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said I'm I'm stepping outside of what society said I
have to be, and we're always as a society kind
of villainizing those those kinds of people.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, may I ask what type of which you are?
How you represent yourself so I can understand the difference
between how you practice life as opposed to, like you
just said, someone in a regular society that does not
feel that they are which I want to understand what
it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So I am a Gardenerian Wiccan as a Wickan. There
are lots of denominations sort of within WIKA. Gardenerians are
traditional initiation craft. We work with a balance of life
and death. The belief structure includes reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What does that mean? I'm sorry, what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Reincarnation is the belief that when you die, you would
be born again into a new body, right, that you
would live many lives. Some people in the community even
talk about remembering.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Bits of past lives.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You might see them in a dream or just instinctively
feel that you have been a place before or seen
something before.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So you're able to tap into a past life for
your who you were or what you were in a
past life. Are you doing that as well? Do you
see that for other people?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Other people can do that. It's not my specific skill,
got it? I work particularly with the dead. My particular
skill is communicating with the deceased and helping the living
speak with them. I sort of act as a translator
of a kind. Wow, I communicate with the dead and
help the living get messages to them, or the opposite.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Were you born into that or was that something you
practiced to understand what it was to channel it? How
does that come about? Because I think of the sixth sense,
and you know, and he says, I see dead people,
and then he realizes maybe they're just trying to communicate
a message to them before their souls can be freed.
So I don't want everyone to just get this Hollywood
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idea of what that means. When you say you communicate
with the dead, What does that mean? More? Tell us
that you communicate with dead.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So to kind of backtrack to how it came to be,
it's a little bit of a heavy story. But I
grew up with an evangelical family, very conservative, quiverful. We
have lots of children and then they grow up and
have lots of children, and that's how Christians win.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I don't know if it was the idea, yep, And
I'm sure you can imagine. That made life not very fun,
actually a pretty terrible way to live. And when I
was five, I was sexually assaulted by a man in
our church. And long story short, and if your listeners
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want to hear the terrible story, I've told it in
other interviews. They can go back and check it out.
But I attempted to end my own life after that
at the ripe old age of five, and I survived,
but I was in a coma for four days, and
at the end of that four days.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I died.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Doctors tried to resuscitate me for twenty minutes and declared
me dead, and eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Later I woke up.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Wow, but I remember being dead. I had experiences while
I was dead. I remember visiting the underworld and talking
to people. It was a really powerful moving experience for me.
And after that it was a skill that I sort
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of uncovered and just not a very comfortable skill to have,
especially as a young person. I spent lots of years
in therapy making sure I was okay with myself. You
want to make sure?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I mean, I can't imagine. Yeah, that's not too many
people get to experience that, or get to live to
experience that. I should say, were you in your human
form when you were gone for those moments of time?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I don't really think much about my own body in
that place. I guess I remember what it felt like
for my feet to touch the floor there. I remember
what it smelled like, I remember what it sounded like,
But I don't really remember thinking much about my physical self.
I was very young at the time.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Were you aware of your your actual were you aware
of more? Tell us this actual physical situation.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Only at the very end. Toward the very end, I
recall feeling something in my body and looking up, and
when I looked up, I could see my body and
I was pulled to it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's when I look up at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
How old were you? Do you mind me asking?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I was fine?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
My goodness, yeah, that was very small. I am deeply
sorry to hear that you had to go through that,
and each child has to go through a situation like
that that's traumatizing in itself. You found such a gift
out of this, right you. You know, I believe that
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we always find something out of the rets. We find
it and it's a beautiful wild flower that comes, you know.
So you created this beautiful lifestyle that's very teachable and
I'm still learning. And I really love this conversation because
I'm learning so much. You know, again, it's just the
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taboos of the words that we use here. Why do
we have to title it martellus? Why do we have
to call you a witch? What makes you so different
from me?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Not a thing in the world. Nothing makes us different.
We're just the same in a lot of ways. In
another time, in another place, someone would be calling you
a witch. Right, Yeah, you're a strong independent person. You
own things, you decide what your world is. You would
be a witch?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, Oh my god, I'm Usually they usually put the
B in front of it instead of the W. But
you know, that's a different conversation. But is it really?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It really isn't.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't care. If I'd love to be one. I
think that'd be the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that that words like bitch are the same
thing though, really, because it's it's something someone has called
us and we've taken it for ourselves and said, yeah,
you're right, I am a bitch.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Deal with me that ownership of having something. I felt
that exact way when I started realizing that I identify
with polyamory. It was as if like this light came
on and I'm like, oh my god, I'm polyamis, and
it was like it just came out of the closet.
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There's so much love in the world, you know that,
So this is the same feeling as you. You know,
It's like you can't explain it to people. People always
say to me, you haven't met the right person yet,
don't you'll meet ah Jesus, Yeah, Jesus. Let me enjoy
my realization of self for one second. Right, Oh my god,
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this is what I wish Hollywood witches were real that
they can make like a voodoo spell or something right now. Gosh,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I would probably be better off if I did magic
for myself, but I don't. I swear to never do
magic for myself. I only do magic for others.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So really, do you you have children, you said, I.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Do have three kids.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
A nineteen year old who was really excited that I
was going to be talking to.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
A really high nineteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
High rain.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And I have a twin four year olds, which that's
super stressful when you have rheumatoid body and you're they're
trying to climb and you want to hold them.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You have rheumatoid arthritis, I do, babe.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I wondered if that was how you found me because
I post a lot about rheumatoid.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh my goodness. It's a whole world, isn't it. It's
a whole world. Yes, are you affected? Full body affected?
You medicated and all that stuff?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I'm not medicated. My doctor just dropped me from
their practice because the medication that I take can cause abortion,
and they said I was viably fertile so they could
not prescribe it to me.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You're in fucking North Carolina, I was, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So abortion is still legal and protected in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You take methochrus eight correct?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yes, I take methotrexa. This is a. This is This
is so upsetting to me because it's just ridiculous that
so many people now cannot receive their medications because mathochucks
e is something that can cause abortions, it is also
something that saves the lives of people like me who
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have an autoimmune disease. I self inject once a week
in my stomach methochux eight. I've been doing this for
god and all how many years. You know, that's just
it's but I wouldn't be able to function without it,
even though sometimes I can't function on it because the
medication itself is just so fucked up. It is, you know,
but it's it's crazy. Oh gosh, I'm so sorry to
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hear that. I hope those mountains are really beautiful over there, because.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I have to be fair to North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's still totally legal in North Carolina, and our state
is still fighting for abortion rates. But my doctor is
in South Carolina, just over the border. I live really
close to the South Carolina line. And in South Carolina,
of course, everything's banned.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And they just passed this.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Medical Ethics and Diversity Act, which allows doctors to refuse
care for any reason. Really, but.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They it's it's a whole thing. It's it's a nightmare. Really.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
After ten years of taking a medication that made it
so I could leave. Suddenly I can't get it, and
it's it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Actually, that is that's frightening. That's mortifying, to be quite
honest with you. So I'm sure there are other medications
you know, that can be taken that are not going
to cause that, right, you could do different infusions that
can kind of, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The problem is finding a new doctor now, I mean,
specialists are not necessarily that easy to come by, and
so I'm playing the referrals game right now. I'm waiting,
so fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh my god, this is what I wish Hollywood witches
were real, that they can make like a voodoo spell
or something. Gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I would probably be better off if I did magic
for myself, but I don't. I swear an oath to
never do magic for myself. I only do magic for others.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So really, yes, Oh wow, you're so selfless with that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
About that, but I figured the gods gave me my
life back, so that was something I could give back.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, you have three amazing kids, like you just said,
how well do the young ones understand that this that
mom or I'm sorry, I know you are your pronouns
or would you go as mom or I do use mom? Okay,
I'm so sorry and I just didn't mean to learning.
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I'm learning mom is.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Like god you okay, Okay, it's a title that's different.
Lots of people use different terms, but I use mom.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay. I'm glad to hear that. So do your kids
know that mom goes is a mortician and makes jewelry
from human bones and is also a witch and neckreman? Sir?
Did I say right?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So they do, and they're very cute about it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You see, I have a skull on my shelf behind me,
and the kids bring flowers and leave there and them.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
If you want to see how bring it closer.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
It's very goonies. Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
This is a good example of the kind of person
I like to give a home too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So as you can see, the skull is vandalized.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's broken.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
So is this like from like blunt force trauma or
a car accident like or.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
This This skull was a specimen in a medical school
and one Halloween some teenagers broken and smashed up a
bunch of things. No, so it's not great for study anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I knew individuals at.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The school and they passed along to me this friend
will never be made into anything.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They're a friend.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They Oh, so do you ever have your do your
bones have stories? Do you have you ever as a medium?
Have you ever been able to tap into the soul
that was in that bone structure?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh? Yes, absolutely, that's a lot of work that I do.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
In fact, I do all kinds of I guess silly
sounding things with them. I have a hand here in
my collection that I was pretty certain from the historical
record that the individual was a seamstress in a sweatshop
in Victoria, England, and I had sort of developed a
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relationship with them over time, and I just was really
touched by what was likely a very oppressive life that
they lived. So I took them with me to a
boudoir photoshoot and took a ton of photos with them. Wow,
it seemed like the kind of thing they never would
have been able to do in their life. So I
gave them that experience.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Now, that's amazing. Where can people find your you know,
your art and your of course your jewelry art is
what I mean. Where can people find that information about you.
And where can people find your book?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh gosh, I'm really terrible at being like the used
car salesman type. But if you do a link to
backslash a crow and that did, you'll find all my stuff.
And I am a teacher. I do teach what I do,
and I do mediumship sessions for people.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm always happy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
To help them give people what I need what they
need where I can.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
So it's important I think that people understand that the
things that you mortalists are doing, they have positive outcomes
to it. It's all in like in happy mind, you
guys put together the idea of people who are calling
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themselves witches or there are more titians and necremencers and
all that, and we think Hollywood and truly, if they
look at what Hollywood truly shows them between the lines,
was that all of these people were healing. They were
healing in a way that other people couldn't understand and fathom.
Just like my little cannabis plant has been healing the
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world for so long and big farm of made it illegal,
right right, So I guess I'm a witch because Myra
got so much better from you know, cannabis. But I'm
just happy for people to know that about you and
and and to contact you, ask you questions, read your book,
see you. Maybe you can do medium readings for people
(29:23):
and teach people a little bit more about what you are.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I do classes and read tarot and do Missing Persons
for people and nice Most everything I do is donation
only if people choose, because for me, what matters is
being there for people.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's so not la of you to say.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think in the in the world that we live in,
it's it's all we've got left, right, we have so
little left but our humanity and just that what a
gift it is to be able to give that to
one another and just be there for each other, and
to remember that even though we might be separated by
circumstances and distance, you and I are strangers, right, we've
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seen each other for the first time today. But I
think strangers are just friends you haven't met yet. We're
we're connected now by this experience, and that was something
we could give each other.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Better words could not have been written out for you
to say. Those were beautiful words. And with those beautiful words,
thank you so much Mortalus for joining us, for educating
me as well as the listeners about a whole different
spectrum of what you know we've been blind to. And
I'm much more interested. I'm interested in learning much much more.
(30:38):
I put the word much. I'm just very much interested.
But I would love to know a lot more about you.
And I have so many questions. I just have so
many questions. So I would love to just DM you
and be like, Hey, what's up. By the way, please
do yes send me a message. I would love to
send you a gift. I'll send you a little bit
of my healing. I would love I need a whole
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lot of healing right now. I've had a rough twenty
twenty two, to be quite honest with you, so I
will take all we all have. Right. It's just been
weird ever since Kobe died. The whole world went to shit.
We got COVID, Now we have monkey pops, we have
people just killing everyone. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I heard someone quip that maybe Brad and Jennifer getting
married would reset the timeline back to two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We could.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You're so smart. You're so smart to think that, because
you would think that that would make sense. But it didn't.
It really didn't it didn't, No, it didn't. Something's going
to have to We need a shake, We need to shake.
Maybe that's up to us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right only we can make the world better.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Absolutely, for now, I'm going to just shake people's ears,
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Genuinely Gig. I am really excited about today's guests because,
oh my goodness, Mortalis is someone that most people just
have honestly no idea what it is that they do
because they go as the title witch, neckremancer, mortician, and
(00:27):
also an author. So I didn't know what a necromancer
was either. We're going to find out right now, but
we're going to put all the other words in relevance
to like what is a witch? What does a mortician
actually do? And I found out that Mortalis collects human
bones to make jewelry. We're going to find out how
do they get access to these human bones? And what
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is witchcraft? You know her from Shaws of Sunset. You
know she doesn't hold back. This kid was always wearing
jewelry that looked like bones, and so in my mind,
I'm thinking, psycho, what is he a witch? This is
genuinely gg for everyone out there joining us today. We
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have Mortellus and Mortalis is very interesting and fascinating in
the world and lifestyle that she lives and leads. She
is a witch, a nick crumencer. Am I saying that correctly.
Kremin Spencer net Cremencer, a mortician, a medium, and you
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are also an author of the book The Bones Fall
in a Spiral. So everybody please welcome Mortalis to genuinely Gigi, Hi, Mortalis,
how are you Hi?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Wonderful, Thank you very much for helping me. This is
a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Just a second ago, I was asking you where you
are located right now, and you said you're in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, here in the beautiful full Blue Ridge Mountains part
of Appalachia. Here in western North Carolina. It's a really
beautiful part of the country.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I bet, I bet. And you said you have like
tornado watches over there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, it's been quite a stormy day, just the wind
whipping around and thunder and lightning.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't know about you, but there's something really beautiful
about that kind of chaos.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's very it is it's a turn on because there's
this element of lack of control, you know, this of
this something so big and you know, intense kind of
like religion for some people, right this God that so
people speak about. So I can understand your your passion
towards it. For me, I would prefer the earthquakes and brushfires.
(02:45):
A wee get in and that's tornado. You know what
I mean. I know how to stop, drop and roll
for the fire. And you know what I mean, I
know how to go make the pyramid shape for protection
these days. That's our new earthquake is pyramid shape. But
let me ask you something. What takes people to North
Carolina or makes people stay in North Carolina when they
(03:08):
know that there might be a tornado in their backyard?
What brought you there? Were you born there?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It was?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And I should say tornadoes are not actually really common here.
We've seen probably more tornado watches this year alone that
I've seen in my whole life. They're really uncommon. But
I was born in this area and I stay because
I don't know, there's something about the mountains that kind
of call to you. They say that the Appalachian Mountains
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are such an old feature of geology that some of
the caves are older than bones. There aren't even records
of those kinds of remains in some of the caves.
And there's just something about that ancient quality that's really humbling,
and I think that attracts people to stay here.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Did you grow up with a passion as you speak
about right now as an adult, because you are a mortician,
and I know there are different types of morticians, but
I also saw that you make a custom jewelry from
bones and some of them are human bones? Correct? Or
are they all human bone?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They're all human bones.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So where Mike, first question would of course be where
did we get the bones from?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You know, that's always the question, A good question.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So interestingly, so all the pieces I work with are
retired medical specimens, and there was a time in history
when any medical student would have been assigned at least
a skull as part of you. You get your textbooks
and you get your skull, and that's what you take home.
So you'd be amazed they're sitting around in closets all
over the world. Would just somebody's grandpa was a dentist
(04:47):
or whatever. And when family members uncover those, they're inevitably
either sold into collections or donated to schools and that
sort of thing. And when they're no longer appropriate for
a collection, or someone longer wishes to have them, they'll
sell them to someone else. And I have a tender
spot for collecting pieces that have been damaged in some
way and would be sort of relegated to the trash
(05:11):
more or less because I don't really have a history
to them, and it's not like these are all donor pieces,
so they're rather anonymous. So I like taking that and
making them into something new and beautiful.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's that's an amazing and personal journey of what you've
done with these bones. But I have to ask the
literal and logical questions of like when you say the
bones are instead of them going to the trash, you
find ways to do something beautiful with them? Is there?
(05:44):
I don't know? For instance, I wouldn't know where to
look in, which trash cans to look in? And how
do you have to ask legal permission? Because I'm very serious.
I went I got in a lot of trouble growing up.
I went to a lot of high schools. One of
the high schools I went to was this kid. I
remember we were in class and the police came in
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and arrested this kid and took them off. They didn't
put them in the cops, they took them and off.
What we ended up finding out was this kid was
always wearing really interesting and unique jewelry that looked like bones.
And what they ended up finding out was, I guess
someone put a complaint and that he was taking dead
(06:26):
animals from the streets and from that he was getting
their bones. And I'm maybe fifteen sixteen, so in my
mind I'm thinking psycho, what is he a witch? And
then here we are now that I'm almost forty one
years old, and I'm sitting with someone that is a
self proclaimed which so I would love for you to
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teach me, and a lot of the people who are
out there listening, and a lot of society in general
who has a preconceived notion of what that word really means.
Which what does that mean? Martalis?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I can say a little bit about the person who
went to school with the odds are someone made a
complaint because they were scared and the police got involved.
Not really understanding, but odds are they probably had no
charges or anything like that. Lots of people collect pieces
like that so they can do tax germy work with it.
The only legal issue there with those kinds of remains.
(07:24):
The bigger issue is being safe, making sure you're not
contracting a zoological disease. But there are animals that are
endangered or protected or migratory birds and those sorts of things.
You cannot possess those kinds of remains. So there are
all kinds of little legal hanks and kinks in the
process along the way. But to answer your question, what
(07:47):
is a witch? I think that's such a loaded question
because we live in a world where society has lots
of ugly words to call people who are assigned female
at birth. And that's been my life experience. I have
a uterus, I've given birth to children that I spent
my life being called women, even though I identify as non binary.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Now, but do you fly on a broomstick?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, that's a terrible stereotype.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That's terrible. That's really good.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
So that's exactly, you know, that's what we're here to do,
exactly because I think there and I want to relate
it to the color black and you know, Halloween and
all these ideas that society has sort of drawn for
everyone to think what that word means. So I would love, love,
love for you to break it down for us.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Kind of throughout history, we would have used the word
witch to deem It was a word that we would
use for someone who was less than desirable. If we
look back at things like the Burning Times or witch trials.
We're seeing people who were women who owned property, divorced
women or whose spouse had died, people who were unhomed,
(09:02):
had mental health issues, those sorts of things. They were
always sort of othered and ostracized, and they often wound
up on the wrong end of those kinds of things.
Up until around the Wizard of oz A, which would
have probably summoned to mind the idea of an elderly woman.
We really see things like the broom and the points
(09:23):
he had in the green skin, and those things come
in because of these movies, but they are stereotypes and
they're pretty hurtful ones. But for people today who use
that word for themselves, we're talking about people who are
reclaiming the idea of sort of pre Christian faith practices. Really,
Christianity is a loaded thing in the first place, but
(09:46):
we have this idea that anything that isn't that is
something wrong, especially in America, we have this kind of
Americanized idea of Christianity as being the thing right right.
But when you when you have people who are looking
at the word pagan as a pejorative, really that word
just means not Christian, and that would be any faith practice.
(10:11):
Anything that is not Christian is pagan according to that usage. Sorry,
there's a little moth like all faith. It's just like
menacing me right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Now, someone's watching you. Someone's watching.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But so we're sort of reclaiming that words as our
own power, as a way of saying, yes, I'm exactly
the kind of thing you might have once burnt. I'm
different from you. But it's it's a word that really
just defines a practitioner of a certain kind of pre
Christian faith practice. More or less, you're a strong independent person.
(10:55):
You own things, you decide what your world is. In
another time, in another place, someone would be calling you
a witch.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, oh my god, I'm Usually they usually put the
B in front of it instead of the W. But
you know, that's a different conversation. You know, when I
look back in time and in movies, Hollywood movies, and
in stories and everything that we read that has anything
(11:22):
to do with witches, my logical self, my adult to
logical self, only sees that these people were probably healers
with natural remedies of some sort that other people were
not educated enough or are qualified or had access to
right to heal, and then the person healed, and it
(11:45):
wasn't God doing the work, it was now the witch.
So you had to kill the witch because they just
did some witchcraft. Right, So that's how I always saw that.
For some reason, witches we're seeing seeming as bad and
his but I see them as healers. If that makes sense?
Does that? Does that? Is that real do? Which is heal?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Accurate?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Every every person is different, obviously, every practitioner of whatever
faith group, and really we're talking about all kinds of
different people, but some do particularly work with healing, and I,
for one, work with death. I'm as a mortician, as
a death care worker, I'm really inclined toward helping people
(12:28):
heal from grief. I do mediumship and help people communicate
with their deceased loved ones and that sort of thing,
And I would consider that healing even if I'm not
giving someone herbs to heal an illness or something like that.
But I do think you're right, there is this sort
of idea that anyone that sort of existed outside the paradigm, right,
(12:52):
if if you could live your existence without the support
of the church or some old white guy and their money,
you're a witch. But you're you're breaking the system. You're
encouraging people to look outside that box, right, And I
think that's still true today when we look at the
villainization of say the LGBTQ community and anybody that has
(13:15):
said I'm I'm stepping outside of what society said I
have to be, and we're always as a society kind
of villainizing those those kinds of people.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, may I ask what type of which you are?
How you represent yourself so I can understand the difference
between how you practice life as opposed to, like you
just said, someone in a regular society that does not
feel that they are which I want to understand what
it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
So I am a Gardenerian Wiccan as a Wickan. There
are lots of denominations sort of within WIKA. Gardenerians are
traditional initiation craft. We work with a balance of life
and death. The belief structure includes reincarnation.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What does that mean? I'm sorry, what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Reincarnation is the belief that when you die, you would
be born again into a new body, right, that you
would live many lives. Some people in the community even
talk about remembering.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Bits of past lives.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You might see them in a dream or just instinctively
feel that you have been a place before or seen
something before.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So you're able to tap into a past life for
your who you were or what you were in a
past life. Are you doing that as well? Do you
see that for other people?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Other people can do that. It's not my specific skill,
got it? I work particularly with the dead. My particular
skill is communicating with the deceased and helping the living
speak with them. I sort of act as a translator
of a kind. Wow, I communicate with the dead and
help the living get messages to them, or the opposite.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Were you born into that or was that something you
practiced to understand what it was to channel it? How
does that come about? Because I think of the sixth sense,
and you know, and he says, I see dead people,
and then he realizes maybe they're just trying to communicate
a message to them before their souls can be freed.
So I don't want everyone to just get this Hollywood
(15:32):
idea of what that means. When you say you communicate
with the dead, What does that mean? More? Tell us
that you communicate with dead.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So to kind of backtrack to how it came to be,
it's a little bit of a heavy story. But I
grew up with an evangelical family, very conservative, quiverful. We
have lots of children and then they grow up and
have lots of children, and that's how Christians win.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I don't know if it was the idea, yep, And
I'm sure you can imagine. That made life not very fun,
actually a pretty terrible way to live. And when I
was five, I was sexually assaulted by a man in
our church. And long story short, and if your listeners
(16:27):
want to hear the terrible story, I've told it in
other interviews. They can go back and check it out.
But I attempted to end my own life after that
at the ripe old age of five, and I survived,
but I was in a coma for four days, and
at the end of that four days.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I died.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Doctors tried to resuscitate me for twenty minutes and declared
me dead, and eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Later I woke up.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Wow, but I remember being dead. I had experiences while
I was dead. I remember visiting the underworld and talking
to people. It was a really powerful moving experience for me.
And after that it was a skill that I sort
(17:18):
of uncovered and just not a very comfortable skill to have,
especially as a young person. I spent lots of years
in therapy making sure I was okay with myself. You
want to make sure?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I mean, I can't imagine. Yeah, that's not too many
people get to experience that, or get to live to
experience that. I should say, were you in your human
form when you were gone for those moments of time?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I don't really think much about my own body in
that place. I guess I remember what it felt like
for my feet to touch the floor there. I remember
what it smelled like, I remember what it sounded like,
But I don't really remember thinking much about my physical self.
I was very young at the time.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Were you aware of your your actual were you aware
of more? Tell us this actual physical situation.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Only at the very end. Toward the very end, I
recall feeling something in my body and looking up, and
when I looked up, I could see my body and
I was pulled to it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's when I look up at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
How old were you? Do you mind me asking?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I was fine?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
My goodness, yeah, that was very small. I am deeply
sorry to hear that you had to go through that,
and each child has to go through a situation like
that that's traumatizing in itself. You found such a gift
out of this, right you. You know, I believe that
(18:52):
we always find something out of the rets. We find
it and it's a beautiful wild flower that comes, you know.
So you created this beautiful lifestyle that's very teachable and
I'm still learning. And I really love this conversation because
I'm learning so much. You know, again, it's just the
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taboos of the words that we use here. Why do
we have to title it martellus? Why do we have
to call you a witch? What makes you so different
from me?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Not a thing in the world. Nothing makes us different.
We're just the same in a lot of ways. In
another time, in another place, someone would be calling you
a witch. Right, Yeah, you're a strong independent person. You
own things, you decide what your world is. You would
be a witch?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, Oh my god, I'm Usually they usually put the
B in front of it instead of the W. But
you know, that's a different conversation. But is it really?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It really isn't.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't care. If I'd love to be one. I
think that'd be the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that that words like bitch are the same
thing though, really, because it's it's something someone has called
us and we've taken it for ourselves and said, yeah,
you're right, I am a bitch.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Deal with me that ownership of having something. I felt
that exact way when I started realizing that I identify
with polyamory. It was as if like this light came
on and I'm like, oh my god, I'm polyamis, and
it was like it just came out of the closet.
(20:28):
There's so much love in the world, you know that,
So this is the same feeling as you. You know,
It's like you can't explain it to people. People always
say to me, you haven't met the right person yet,
don't you'll meet ah Jesus, Yeah, Jesus. Let me enjoy
my realization of self for one second. Right, Oh my god,
(20:50):
this is what I wish Hollywood witches were real that
they can make like a voodoo spell or something right now. Gosh,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I would probably be better off if I did magic
for myself, but I don't. I swear to never do
magic for myself. I only do magic for others.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So really, do you you have children, you said, I.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Do have three kids.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I have.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
A nineteen year old who was really excited that I
was going to be talking to.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
A really high nineteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
High rain.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And I have a twin four year olds, which that's
super stressful when you have rheumatoid body and you're they're
trying to climb and you want to hold them.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You have rheumatoid arthritis, I do, babe.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I wondered if that was how you found me because
I post a lot about rheumatoid.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh my goodness. It's a whole world, isn't it. It's
a whole world. Yes, are you affected? Full body affected?
You medicated and all that stuff?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I'm not medicated. My doctor just dropped me from
their practice because the medication that I take can cause abortion,
and they said I was viably fertile so they could
not prescribe it to me.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You're in fucking North Carolina, I was, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So abortion is still legal and protected in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You take methochrus eight correct?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yes, I take methotrexa. This is a. This is This
is so upsetting to me because it's just ridiculous that
so many people now cannot receive their medications because mathochucks
e is something that can cause abortions, it is also
something that saves the lives of people like me who
(22:51):
have an autoimmune disease. I self inject once a week
in my stomach methochux eight. I've been doing this for
god and all how many years. You know, that's just
it's but I wouldn't be able to function without it,
even though sometimes I can't function on it because the
medication itself is just so fucked up. It is, you know,
but it's it's crazy. Oh gosh, I'm so sorry to
(23:16):
hear that. I hope those mountains are really beautiful over there, because.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I have to be fair to North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's still totally legal in North Carolina, and our state
is still fighting for abortion rates. But my doctor is
in South Carolina, just over the border. I live really
close to the South Carolina line. And in South Carolina,
of course, everything's banned.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And they just passed this.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Medical Ethics and Diversity Act, which allows doctors to refuse
care for any reason. Really, but.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They it's it's a whole thing. It's it's a nightmare. Really.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
After ten years of taking a medication that made it
so I could leave. Suddenly I can't get it, and
it's it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Actually, that is that's frightening. That's mortifying, to be quite
honest with you. So I'm sure there are other medications
you know, that can be taken that are not going
to cause that, right, you could do different infusions that
can kind of, yes.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The problem is finding a new doctor now, I mean,
specialists are not necessarily that easy to come by, and
so I'm playing the referrals game right now. I'm waiting,
so fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh my god, this is what I wish Hollywood witches
were real, that they can make like a voodoo spell
or something. Gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I would probably be better off if I did magic
for myself, but I don't. I swear an oath to
never do magic for myself. I only do magic for others.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
So really, yes, Oh wow, you're so selfless with that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
About that, but I figured the gods gave me my
life back, so that was something I could give back.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, you have three amazing kids, like you just said,
how well do the young ones understand that this that
mom or I'm sorry, I know you are your pronouns
or would you go as mom or I do use mom? Okay,
I'm so sorry and I just didn't mean to learning.
(25:27):
I'm learning mom is.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Like god you okay, Okay, it's a title that's different.
Lots of people use different terms, but I use mom.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay. I'm glad to hear that. So do your kids
know that mom goes is a mortician and makes jewelry
from human bones and is also a witch and neckreman? Sir?
Did I say right?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So they do, and they're very cute about it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You see, I have a skull on my shelf behind me,
and the kids bring flowers and leave there and them.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
If you want to see how bring it closer.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
It's very goonies. Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
This is a good example of the kind of person
I like to give a home too.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So as you can see, the skull is vandalized.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's broken.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
So is this like from like blunt force trauma or
a car accident like or.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
This This skull was a specimen in a medical school
and one Halloween some teenagers broken and smashed up a
bunch of things. No, so it's not great for study anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I knew individuals at.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The school and they passed along to me this friend
will never be made into anything.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
They're a friend.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
They Oh, so do you ever have your do your
bones have stories? Do you have you ever as a medium?
Have you ever been able to tap into the soul
that was in that bone structure?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh? Yes, absolutely, that's a lot of work that I do.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
In fact, I do all kinds of I guess silly
sounding things with them. I have a hand here in
my collection that I was pretty certain from the historical
record that the individual was a seamstress in a sweatshop
in Victoria, England, and I had sort of developed a
(27:24):
relationship with them over time, and I just was really
touched by what was likely a very oppressive life that
they lived. So I took them with me to a
boudoir photoshoot and took a ton of photos with them. Wow,
it seemed like the kind of thing they never would
have been able to do in their life. So I
gave them that experience.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Now, that's amazing. Where can people find your you know,
your art and your of course your jewelry art is
what I mean. Where can people find that information about you.
And where can people find your book?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh gosh, I'm really terrible at being like the used
car salesman type. But if you do a link to
backslash a crow and that did, you'll find all my stuff.
And I am a teacher. I do teach what I do,
and I do mediumship sessions for people.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm always happy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
To help them give people what I need what they
need where I can.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
So it's important I think that people understand that the
things that you mortalists are doing, they have positive outcomes
to it. It's all in like in happy mind, you
guys put together the idea of people who are calling
(28:40):
themselves witches or there are more titians and necremencers and
all that, and we think Hollywood and truly, if they
look at what Hollywood truly shows them between the lines,
was that all of these people were healing. They were
healing in a way that other people couldn't understand and fathom.
Just like my little cannabis plant has been healing the
(29:02):
world for so long and big farm of made it illegal,
right right, So I guess I'm a witch because Myra
got so much better from you know, cannabis. But I'm
just happy for people to know that about you and
and and to contact you, ask you questions, read your book,
see you. Maybe you can do medium readings for people
(29:23):
and teach people a little bit more about what you are.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I do classes and read tarot and do Missing Persons
for people and nice Most everything I do is donation
only if people choose, because for me, what matters is
being there for people.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's so not la of you to say.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I think in the in the world that we live in,
it's it's all we've got left, right, we have so
little left but our humanity and just that what a
gift it is to be able to give that to
one another and just be there for each other, and
to remember that even though we might be separated by
circumstances and distance, you and I are strangers, right, we've
(30:07):
seen each other for the first time today. But I
think strangers are just friends you haven't met yet. We're
we're connected now by this experience, and that was something
we could give each other.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Better words could not have been written out for you
to say. Those were beautiful words. And with those beautiful words,
thank you so much Mortalus for joining us, for educating
me as well as the listeners about a whole different
spectrum of what you know we've been blind to. And
I'm much more interested. I'm interested in learning much much more.
(30:38):
I put the word much. I'm just very much interested.
But I would love to know a lot more about you.
And I have so many questions. I just have so
many questions. So I would love to just DM you
and be like, Hey, what's up. By the way, please
do yes send me a message. I would love to
send you a gift. I'll send you a little bit
of my healing. I would love I need a whole
(31:01):
lot of healing right now. I've had a rough twenty
twenty two, to be quite honest with you, so I
will take all we all have. Right. It's just been
weird ever since Kobe died. The whole world went to shit.
We got COVID, Now we have monkey pops, we have
people just killing everyone. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I heard someone quip that maybe Brad and Jennifer getting
married would reset the timeline back to two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
We could.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
You're so smart. You're so smart to think that, because
you would think that that would make sense. But it didn't.
It really didn't it didn't, No, it didn't. Something's going
to have to We need a shake, We need to shake.
Maybe that's up to us.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right only we can make the world better.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Absolutely, for now, I'm going to just shake people's ears,
one audience member at a time. Thank you so much
for being here, Watte Liz, thanks for listening to genuinely Gigi.
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