He Was Exposed to Drugs by 6, Then Survived Addiction, Crime, and Prison | Ep 71

In one of the rawest and most jaw-dropping episodes to date, Louis sits down with Patrick McCombs—a man whose life began in chaos and spiraled into the darkest corners of addiction, crime, and prison politics.By the age of six, Patrick had already been exposed to sex and drugs—thrust into a world no child should ever experience. With no real sense of safety or guidance, he grew up fast and hard. What followed was a storm of street life, robberies, and eventually time behind bars. But prison wasn’t just about doing time—for Patrick, it became a dangerous game of survival. Targeted by other inmates, he was forced to "check in" and navigate the brutal unwritten rules of prison life.But the story doesn’t end there.Today, Patrick is a man on a mission. Clean, sober, and creating content that peels back the curtain on the realities of addiction and incarceration, he’s using his voice to reach others still trapped in the cycle he escaped. His story is gritty, painful, and brutally honest—but it’s also one of transformation, self-respect, and redemption.If you're into real stories with no sugarcoating, this episode will hit you in the gut and stick with you long after it ends.🔥 Expect emotion. Expect truth. Expect hope.🔔 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more powerful stories on addiction, recovery, and resilience.Get a Grip Podcast Social Media: Find our TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeart Radio links, a more on our Link Tree below!Get a Grip Social Media Links: https://linktr.ee/officialgetagrippodcastPatricks Socials:Tik Tok: https://tiktok.com/@packyvisionstvFaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/share/19Z5KrzQVw/?mibextid=wwXIfrYouTube: https://youtube.com/@UC3Svnty1X6uAy2MT4XWmOgg 👇 Let us know your thoughts in the comments.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
It it was my neighbors and therewas 3 girls and a boy that were
brothers and sisters and we still know them to this day.
Like our families are all tight and shit.
So I had a different experience with each one.
My mom would pay him 20-30 bucksto babysit me while one of them
she wanted to like I don't know if she had some shit going on.
So we start having sex. You know, I'm six years old and

(00:21):
she's teaching me everything from the bottom.
OK, that technically that's illegal.
Yeah, I know. She ended up.
She was 13 and I was 60. OK, lasted.
For three years I for some reason I'm thinking this is like
a 20 year old, 20 something year.
Old. It was still crazy, but.
That still is borderline. Oh yeah, yeah.

(00:41):
Like in my mind, I'm like, I start getting excited though,
right? I started wanting shit to
happen. So like when she would babysit
me, I would already know that itwas coming.
What like. All right, we are back.

(01:06):
We have Patrick McComb from Warren.
OH, yes, yeah, yeah. Which is close to Youngstown.
Youngstown. It's northeast Ohio, Trumbull
County. OK, OK.
And we appreciate you coming out.
As always, anybody who travels, thank you so much for not doing
anything local. I know, appreciate you.
It's hard to find the time to dothat in today's world.

(01:31):
Do me a favor, tell us how you grew up and what life was like
for you as a kid. All right, so I grew up on the
east side of Warren, you know, like on Chestnut St.
And it was my mom, my pops. He met my mom when he was, when
I was 3, Ralph de la Pena. He raised me.
They were drinking a lot, doing,you know, partying and he was

(01:54):
into them OCS and shit. What ends up happening is that.
What year? What year is this?
So 93, he met my mom, I was 3. And then I started, you know,
looking at him as my father figure.
I was seeing my dad every couple, maybe like once or twice
a month, and he drank too. So I'd go over there pretty much
he'd just have a party. But I ain't trying to put my dad

(02:16):
down or not, and he was just going through.
Well, no, it's just addiction. It's just addiction, yeah.
So it was how it was, though. I'd go over there, we'd just
pretty, he'd be partying and I'dplay Sega.
So at home though, they're doing, he's doing OCS and you
know, Blow. He just passed away right before
I came home from the picture. Yeah, he fucking was hanging out
with some girl and he had a little relapse.

(02:37):
He had like a year cleaning and found him in a motel, you know
what I mean? So it's like I got my biological
dad still alive, my pops who raised me.
He passed away at this time, though, in 96.
I'm going to start this story here.
So I'm six, I'm kind of just playing Sega, going through
regular life. And you know, as a kid and

(02:58):
everything changed that year because I had a babysitter, my
neighbors, it was, I'm going to leave their names out, but it,
it was my neighbors and there was 3 girls and a boy that were
brothers and sisters and we still know them to this day.
Like our families are all tight and shit.
So I had a different experience with each one.
My mom would pay him 20-30 bucksto babysit me.

(03:19):
Well, one of them she wanted to like I don't know if she had
some shit going on. So we start having sex.
You know, I'm six years old and she's teaching me everything
from the bottom. OK, that technically that's
illegal. Yeah, I know.
She ended up. She was 13 and I was 60.
OK, lasted. For three years I for some
reason I'm thinking this is likea 20 year old, 20 something year

(03:41):
old it. Was still crazy, but.
That still is borderline. And Oh yeah, yeah.
Like in my mind, I'm like, I start getting excited though,
right? I started wanting shit to
happen. So like when she would babysit
me, I would already know that itwas coming.
Well like she would watch my mompull out some the driveway.
She'd wear a fucking skirt and be like all right, lay down
right here and my heart would start pumping when she would

(04:03):
babysit. Me at six at. 6 So like, that's
why I had a psychiatrist tell methat, like it messed with my,
you know, your brain. Yeah, true shit.
Yeah 'cause I would, I would. That's why I asked you what can
I say on this? But you said it's cool.
So like, yeah, pretty much. I was shooting blanks like I
would get the feeling, but nothing would obviously come
out. But I was six years old, right?

(04:25):
And that's so yeah, that's goingon.
Her brother Mikey ended up getting, I wasn't going to use
names, but it's all good. Like, you know, I miss him.
Rest in peace. He end up getting unalived and
shit. And I ended up being
incarcerated with somebody they accused allegedly of being
involved with that. He did like 20-3 years and shit.
We met at Lake Erie. He was cool though.

(04:46):
We ended up becoming like, friends and shit.
But damn. So I'm cool with this family.
All this shit's going on. No one knows.
Fast forward that same year, we had a home invasion at the house
and like this dude who knew our neighbors, you know what I'm
saying? They he knew him.
They the the way they explained it is he was running from the

(05:07):
cops, but he got away, like actually got away.
But when he came into our house,he kicked our door off the
hinges and my pops yelling goingpack, what are you doing?
What are you doing? Like he just keeps yelling for
me and shit and I'm like, it ain't me.
And as I'm hearing him and this,he comes around the corner and
the door comes off the hinges. There's this tall black dude
with a ball head just looking atme.
Bro, shit was I'll never get that image out of my mind.

(05:30):
He runs past me. And right after that, two guys
in plain clothes come in with guns.
Like, where do you go? Where'd you go?
My mom's trying to stuff me in the garbage can and like, lay
over me, but she's pregnant withmy brother.
And dude, this was all. So he goes upstairs.
They chase him up the steps. They ended up knowing because
like the porch, the chaos that he they're hearing and there's

(05:51):
wood broke on the porch. So these cops are like going
house to house and now they say,wait, what's this?
So but they come in and they just hear all this chaos and
then my mom's like you went upstairs.
So this is going on. He hears them on the roof.
They chase. He realizes that he climbed onto
the roof. So my pops runs out the back
tackles and they're out there fighting and shit.

(06:11):
Then all these cops jump on them, take credit for it, like
oh we got them. They ended up giving dude 10
years in prison. He wrote me a letter
apologizing. I wasn't allowed to be in court
but they said he wrote me like ahandwritten letter because he
was off the drugs but he was smoking hard and this is in 96
so he was like probably doing. That good shit.
Tail end of the pandemic, really.

(06:32):
Yeah, so epidemic, epidemic, theyeah, the 80s and 90s and shit,
that was that was the start to me realizing life has a
different side to it. It's six years old.
I'm like. Yeah, you're seeing some shit.
Bro, it was crazy early, Like early, yeah, it was.
This is like the Oakland Raidersstarter jacket era bro 'cause

(06:53):
our school was Warren G Harding Raiders so everybody would rock
that. You know, Raiders gear and you
know prostitutes up and down my street.
This is just a shit of domestic violence is at home.
That's just the block. Yeah, it was just going on on
our street and the north side isright and close to where we're
where I live now. But at the time I was on the Far
East side. So I'm just thinking this shit's

(07:15):
normal. Fast forward like couple years,
my mom moves us to Newton Falls,which is a town over.
So from 99 to 2005, age 9 to 15,I'm living out there.
It is nicer, that's what I'm saying.
It's like a decent town. It's like 1500 people, little
country town, but it's drug addicts like most of Ohio.

(07:38):
You know how Ohio is. So, you know, like everybody
just parties on the weekend, goes to school or work during
the week. That's just one of them times.
Well, I start getting introducedto little shit here and there.
I was 15. I tried to blow for the first or
actually no 14. What?
Was the first drug you tried? All right.
And how old were you? If 14, that was the year that I

(08:02):
actually did everything from my own as far as like the year I
lost my virginity on my own. Tried blow that year.
I thought it was 15 but it was the end of 14 and then.
It's it's really fucked up that you have to say on your own.
Yeah, I. Know like that is thought about
that that is crazy 'cause you say lost my virginity on my own

(08:26):
yeah yeah, yeah, technically youlost it, but like the fact that
you're saying it like that is. Wild.
And all that time I would do it on my own, literally like with
myself, but I never really thought I was worried about
trying to. I don't know, it's hard to
explain. It was like that year I hit
puberty and I just felt like I was ready to venture out and try
to go get. So.

(08:47):
So you said you blow? Yeah, at 14.
Blow, you know, try that. Adderall, weed, alcohol, God
damn LS you know acid? That God damn.
I was like, whatever, but this is just our after school little
misfit crew of like stoners. I wasn't.

(09:09):
I'm gonna throw in there, this shit's embarrassing, right?
I got expelled one year and I failed one year.
So here I am, 17 in 9th grade with a mustache and shit.
It was shitty, bro. It was like, yeah, it was wild.
So that that part, did you graduate?
No, I ended up dropping out. I went to Life Skills Academy
when I came back to Warren. So it during all this process, I

(09:30):
had threw a book at Miss Kennel.Our teacher and I got expelled.
She got she threw it at me first.
So she got a two week unpaid suspension I had to redo.
So like, that was shitty. Wait, so she actually got in
trouble? Yeah, they did.
She was there for 20 something years, so they knew her.
They're like, well, we got to dosomething, you know what I mean?
So they. And they still.

(09:50):
She was still. They still expelled you for the
year. For the whole year.
So that happens. I moved back to war.
My mom gives me the option. I'm like, mom, I want to go
back. I want to go move in with my
real dad. She's like, all right, So she
lets me. My pops drives me over there
with a duffel bag, pretty much looks him in the eye and says
you get the easy part now. I've helped raise him, don't

(10:11):
fuck this up. They talk, I hug him, he leaves.
It was kind of awkward. I sit down.
Like I said, I ain't putting my dad down, but he was like my
best friend. So I'm gonna put it like this.
What he said when we sat down, he goes, your mom told me you
ain't no a virgin no more. I'm like, Nope.
She's like, he's like, she said you were smoking weed and
drinking beer. I'm like, yeah, he's like, well,

(10:31):
the weeds in the tin can and thebeers in the fridge.
Don't worry about the pussy later.
And he went like this. And I was like, all right, I'm
gonna love it. I'm gonna fucking love it over
here. And that's how it was, too.
Exactly how it was. Like, we had like a flop house,
but we bonded like we would he pretty much.
He'd get paid like he buying me game systems.
He's spoiling me. He's saying I feel bad, man,

(10:52):
you're 15 and I ain't really. Well, it's love bombing.
Yeah, he's trying to like catch up for this shit 'cause he's
doing good now. Like he ain't and alcoholic, he
ain't do smoking, doing the hardthings that he did.
So now he's like showering me every day.
He'd run in and throw a pack of cigarettes at me.
Like literally like winging. It was just our thing, you know.

(11:13):
So that at that time, this is where I start making like bad
choices and going down the route.
And I wasn't really noticing I was an addict yet because that
didn't come till I was 20/1/2011which was when my girl had our
first kid and they gave her perks but I ain't going to go
into that yet. So like during this time I'm

(11:33):
living at my dad's and we prettymuch just party every day
kicking it. But I slowly start drifting to
my old friends from Warren who Iknew from Roosevelt Elementary
and shit like back in the day. Now we're all grown and we link
back up, you know, And a lot of them, we had this like little
clique called ESB. It was Eastside Boys.

(11:54):
And then there was like Northside Players was like these
little gangs in our city like T Squad and JOB and Jump Off Boys
and Kos and 4th Street Boys. These were like little gangs,
but it wasn't. It's like, it's hard to explain,
but it's just more or less cliques of kids who fight
together and call each other brothers and do everything

(12:14):
together. But eventually it progresses
where the same people start getting into more and more shit.
And this is like right when everybody started playing with
guns and shit. So at the time I didn't realize
like, what I was getting myself into, but I thought that shit
was the coolest thing ever. This is like the Myspace days.
The guns or just the gang shit? Just gang shit.

(12:34):
I'm saying in general, like at the time, I didn't realize that
I was going to possibly take my life in a different direction.
But so we we would all get together like 20 of us and take
photos with like guns and throwing up gang signs.
It was corny. I even had a detective say
something to me One time I got in trouble for something
unrelated and he said you and your dumb ass fake ass gang.

(12:56):
You guys think you're cool. He's like, you guys don't
realize that we like see this shit, right?
Like you guys are dumb as fuck. So that was crazy.
But like at that time, so like, I guess pretty much just my life
went downhill because by the time I hit 21, we had our first
kid and I've been with my girls.So I, I feel like I shouldn't
skip over this. At 16, I met my fiance who I'm

(13:19):
still with and we've been together for 19 years.
Damn since 2006. Wow.
And I, she, I got her permission, right?
This is the first time I'm saying this.
I'm using y'all's platform to tosay that we got our 4th baby
coming and nobody knows. Congratulations.
Thanks man. Congratulations.
That either. So we ain't.
We told our family but I ain't made a video so I appreciate

(13:41):
you. Congrats, dude.
Yeah. But yeah, so that was all kind
of blended in. I'm just living life.
I didn't realize I was an addictyet.
I'm running around with all my guys.
We're having a good. Time.
I mean, are you using just anything and everything that's
literally put in your hand? At this time though, just weed
and alcohol and hallucinogenics and I was actually making money.
Like trying to like I wasn't OK,but I was hustling on the side.

(14:05):
That's what I always say I I hustled too, but I was not a
brick boy. I wasn't fucking, but I was
close to that. Like, I'm not going to say their
name, but I had some, somebody close to me in my circle I could
call and he'd be like 3, four, $500 worth of shit.
He put it in my hand like some ecstasy, some weed, some
mushrooms, some pills that I'm not even going to touch, 'cause

(14:25):
at the time, you know, he'd be like here, $3 all the way up,
I'll make a phone call, $5 all the way up, you know, just dump
shit like that. But yeah, when she had our first
baby, they gave her 60 perk fives and I got mad.
I'm like, damn, babe, you noticethe same shit that's in heroin.
I'm like, we ain't no, don't youknow, or why I needed.
They said I'm hurt. I'm like, alright, 'cause she

(14:47):
had a rough birth. So during this process, she's
running around in a nightgown, cleaning and sweeping the house.
And I'm not even, I don't think she'd get mad about me saying
this but I ain't got no filter so I'll try to just keep it as
real as possible. There was like 2 drops of blood
on the ground and I'm like babe what the fuck are you doing?
Sit down. I got this.
And she's because her stitches and shit.

(15:09):
And she looked at me and goes ohI got it don't worry I got it.
And I'm like why you you know what I mean.
And she's like these things are amazing babe, I ain't going to
lie, just try one. I'm like, and I ain't saying
this is her. Fault you hadn't tried one up to
that. Point.
No, never. Oh damn.
And it's not her fault. I'm not.
No say. That, but I was like curious.
I'm like alright I'll try 1 so. Yeah, I mean, you're in your

(15:29):
20s, right? Yeah, 21.
Yeah, so. And I'm two years older.
I was 16 and she was 14 when we met.
So, you know, But at that time, I moved in with my dad or her
mom and dad when I like, it feltstrange, I ain't gonna lie, when
I hit 18 and she was 16. But I was living with her and
her mom and dad. Sure.
So like we were teenagers. It's legit.
You have consent. Yeah, that's legal.

(15:50):
And we were 16 and 14. It's a little different.
It's. Totally different.
No, it's totally different. It's telling like we met as
fucking whatever, but her mom and dad was like really trying
to save me. So when I at that time they've
really seen me on a bad path andthey her dad was like, man, I
don't know why you hang out withall them St. dudes and shit.
I'm like, I've known them my whole life.

(16:10):
He's like, yeah, but you got potential.
So, you know, shout out to my father-in-law, Larry.
He's a good dude. He's always tried to help me.
But anyway, so I try it. Euphoria.
I loved it. We ran through those so fast
man. But you know how it goes bro. 60
fives. Bye bye.
Yeah, bye, bye. And I'm calling around.

(16:30):
So it goes to the point where we're finding them.
We're we're making money and shit, we're but we're also
spending money. And then eventually the monies
ran out and it got to the point about a year later that we start
selling our stuff. So I got a couple like shotguns
and shit, I sell them. PlayStation 3.
Bye bye. You know everything dude.

(16:51):
Like. I just laugh, 'cause I've been
there, 'cause I've I've been there.
I know what you mean. Like you're like.
Yeah, PlayStation 3. Bye bye.
Everything dude we even downgraded our vehicle.
Bro we had a 2001 silver Mustangconvertible in 2011 but it was
like nice and clean. Sold that and downgraded to a

(17:11):
beat up. What was it?
First, some extra money. Yeah.
Just to have a couple stacks of money, you know, of extra now we
still have a vehicle and it was a Chrysler Pacifica or
something. I think one of them cars.
We had a bunch of different cars, but yeah, we downgraded.
Not the Chrysler 300 bro, please.
No, it was a specific Chrysler Pacifica, but I'm trying to
remember if it was that one. We had a couple different cars,

(17:34):
but we did that and yeah, it wasfucked.
It was stupid. And now at this point I start
burning a lot of my plugs and mypeople and so.
You're to the point now where you were dealing and it was
going well, but but now you're starting to RIP people off 1 by
1 you're. Picking them up, I want to say
I'm sorry to anybody I ever did if I've never because I paid

(17:55):
like four or five people back. But if you're watching this and
you know what I'm talking about,I feel horrible.
Especially a female friend I hadin mind.
I ain't going to say her name. I feel bad.
I took like 20 bucks off her andwas just this still bothers me
to my to this day that I did that I should have never did
that I got in a fucking person did that.
I feel like it anyways. You know addiction and how it
takes. That's what we do.

(18:16):
That's why I did the same shit. I sold drugs and I did the exact
same thing. I picked off my customers 1 by 1
by 1 by 1 until there was nobodyleft.
It's wild, ain't it? I wasn't bad either, I was good
at the shit. You'd be good at it.
Yeah, I was good at it and I fucking, I just, I just ripped
everyone off so I could get high.
Dude, and that's what the pills got is no one felt like that.

(18:39):
I know what you mean, 'cause it's like people for that time
trusting me, like I could call them and say, hey, I need a jar
of screws. Oh yeah, I got you.
'Cause you were, you were solid and.
I ain't gonna think that whole time I'm getting in the car and
my girls all, we're all fiended out.
She's like, they give it to you all right, Skirting off like
delete, deleting that contact. You know what I'm saying?
That's how it feels. Blocked that number.

(18:59):
Yeah, like looking back on it, like I know we we all could
laugh about it now, but I still can't hear myself say it without
thinking. Like how the fuck?
Well, hopefully. You know.
You get to a chance to make amends to those people when the
time comes. But then there there there's
some people that quite frankly, like drug dealers, certain drug
dealers that like you don't needto go out of your way to find

(19:20):
them and say my, my bad dog. Oh, you're right.
You know what I mean? Like.
There were that girl, I actuallytalked to her and I I try to, I
said it was 20, right. All right, well, I'm about to
send you this 30 on the cash app.
She goes, no, don't worry about it.
I said why? I I was at work.
You know, this is when I first came home.
Like whatever, she goes, no, I'mjust happy to see you're doing

(19:41):
good. I said, well, well, well, I owe
you. I stole from you.
And she's like, no, she's like just keep just.
Stay sober. Yeah, she won't even let me send
it to. Her.
You get that a lot. Yeah, you.
Get that a. Lot with a men's it's it is
cool, it feels good. Yep, she got daughters and shit.
So like, yeah, you know that just that that still bothers me.
But yeah, like, I guess I just wanted to break that part down

(20:05):
about addiction and in my life and where everything went.
So I guess I'll Fast forward like me and her just going
through life, everything's normal, regular motions.
All of a sudden we get a well, first we move into the Warren
Heights. It's a government housing
project and it's given, you know, for free.
So we're in our addiction, but we don't got to pay rent.

(20:27):
It kind of works out good. You know, I'm not supposed to be
there. Most of these families don't
have their dad there. So the management's actually
cool, like they they want to seethese women have their kids
daddies in their life because out of the whole apartment
complex, probably half do and most.
Of them, they're mostly single moms.
Right. So like, they don't give a fuck,

(20:47):
but we're seeing a lot over there.
Like I got jumped one time real bad.
I was hanging out at this girl'shouse.
Project. Yeah, and we were hanging out at
this party a couple courts over and Long story short, this girl
pulled up. I gave her some, I'm not going
to say her name, my girl wouldn't want me to, but I gave
her a fucking some some volumes to give me a ride somewhere.

(21:11):
And we got back. It was one, it was all this
drama and shit and I ended up punching his dude and then they
all ended up jumping me. It was 1 white dude and like 3-4
black dudes. It was crazy.
But yeah, they fucked me up bad that time.
Someone said they put it on Worldstarhiphop, but I don't
know. This was back in like 2013 or
something. Getting jumped blows.

(21:32):
Yeah. Wait, what was it?
Getting jumped, Oh yeah, it fucking blows.
It's terrible. Can't do shit.
You're helpless. Totally helpless.
There was camera footage of it. Yeah, it was.
It was wild. Oh, and the worst thing that
ever happened over there was hermom came to visit.
We were only there a couple weeks.
She's like, oh, I want to see what it's like.
She comes in hot summer night, all the windows are open and we

(21:55):
just hear a hell of gunshots andit's somebody getting shot in
our backyard having a shootout while her mom is at our house
visiting. Windows are open.
At an instinct, we run over to our kids and block them.
I run downstairs. I open the door.
I see someone run past, so I slam the door.
I'm like, OK, yeah, I'm just staying in the house.
Then the cops are going door to door asking what they seen.

(22:17):
And when we open the door, he goes.
I said we didn't see nothing. He goes, well, yeah, I'm, I'm
hearing that from everybody. He goes, but I need to ask you,
why is there a 15 round magazinein front of your door on the
ground? I go, oh, I don't know.
And he goes, well, it's in the bushes and I'm just letting you
know, you know, but this is crazy.
Like, dude, when he did what he did, he like he.
Dipped a magazine I. Guess he reloaded.

(22:39):
I don't know. It was an empty.
It was empty. An empty magazine in front of
It's in the Bush, like we got our door.
In the Bush. And they found it.
I don't know if the dog found itor if they found it, but yeah
bro shit was crazy like that to me.
My her mom was immediate like trying to say get the hell out
of here like but I. Bet she was after that.
That was her first time visiting, yeah.

(23:00):
Yeah, and I'm from Warren, so it's different.
They're from Labrae Levitzburg, which is like in between Newton
Falls. It's actually the same distance.
If you go this way, you're in LaBrea.
If you go this way, you're in Newton Falls.
They're both where people want to be instead of one.
It's like the suburb, you know, Got you.
And about two nights later afterthat, we're laying there

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flipping TV and we hear about 5-6 more shots, but they're
closer. So the next morning we get in
our car and our neighbor has twothrough the glass and three or
four through the bricks. So someone drove right past our
house and shot up our neighbor'shouse, which I'm guessing they
had something to do with that first year, obviously.
So this is going on. We're seeing all this at the

(23:42):
time I'm drifting down on my addiction.
We ODIOD one time right in frontof my family, I.
What were you on? What?
At this time I guess Fetty was hitting I was smoking hard and
doing parent you know H but like.
Were you shooting ID? Yeah, I was doing this at this
point. I get I get to this but my
girl's actually clean for like 3months.

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She went to rehab and I would doit away from her, but she knew I
would leave and come back with money and disappear.
Yeah, it's obvious. It's obvious.
So she's mad at me and telling, you know, you need to get shit
together. I'm thinking, well when I go to
jail I'll get my shit together because I'm doing dumb shit
every night and I'm waiting on it to happen.
So I I can respect that as somebody who's been in the game

(24:23):
and someone who worked at a Correctional Facility, that your
attitude was like, yo, I'm, I'm out here fucking up, I'm going
to go to jail. And you knew.
That I knew that. And like, that's what comes with
it definitely does. And not many people are willing
to admit that or like accept that and like just shut up and
do their time when the time doescome.
Yeah, I've seen that a lot. Yeah, yeah.

(24:45):
No, no. But it sounds like you knew.
I knew you knew what? It was crazy.
It took till I was 27 years old.Damn smack was seven years.
So yeah, like I, I don't know bro, take us like at a Iris or
what? I mean, that's, that's wild.
I got away with some shit for years.
I got. From six, really.

(25:05):
Really. From 6 to 27, my man.
That's a hell of a run. Yeah, it was, bro.
So take us. Take us to that.
Take us to 27. Take us to that crime.
Take us to what did you win? And tell us about prison.
So, OK, so 20, yeah, 22,016. I'm actually 26.

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I catch a first case. I go at this time.
Me and my girl were together for10 years.
Felony case. Yeah, but I got, I got 2 felony
cases that sent me to prison. And that's, I'm going to go into
this, that they all count as one.
So we, we were together 10 years.
We were kind of on the rocks andwe, we were going through

(25:45):
motions of living together, but kind of seeing other people.
It was kind of fucked up, but itwas what we were doing.
Like I'd watch the kid, she'd beout on a Friday, she'd watch the
kids, I'd be out on a Saturday. It was stressful, but we both
acted like it wasn't on this day, she was going to her
cousin's graduation and I was going to the Newton Falls Bike
Fest downtown because I knew people from living out there
before. So, but we lived in this trailer

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park. Well, we're getting ready.
We, you know, we, she actually drops me off up there and then
she's taking the kids to her mom's to go to the graduation.
Well, while I'm up there, I see some people that my mom and them
know and this chick texted me and said meet me at faces.
I'm heading up to the bar in a minute.
It's they got it all blocked off.

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It's a block party with the big bar.
Faces is the main thing. OK, so I go up there and shit, I
see this chick. I like I said we're all talking
her and her dude are up there, we're dancing and shit.
And then next thing you know, she's like, hey, you know, you
ain't supposed to drink up here unless you pay for it, right?
And I'm like, right, She's like,but I got this crown.
So we're hitting it and shit andthen she but at one point she

(26:50):
hands me the crown and it's got a little bit she's like, make
sure no cops see you and just kill that.
I'm like, all right, so I do. And then I black out.
So I still to this day don't know if she drugged me or if I
just got, I don't know you. Crossed that line I.
Don't know because all I did wassmoke some trees, I was on my
suboxone, my psych meds but all of that was normal and I drank

(27:11):
like two shots of crown and two beers.
But I'm thinking. About blackout material.
I wake up behind the bar, I'm onthe ground a cop's he, I'm in
the grass, bro. And all these people were
looking at me. Then he got the light in my
eyes. He's like get up.
So he's like, what do you got onyou?
I said my medicine and my money.He goes, all right, well how
much? What is it?
Show me. I said I got $220 and like I

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think 50 or something or 60 something strips.
I said the number and he goes, no, you got 2 strips and $20
bro. And I'm like, and I'm looking,
I'm going through my book bag 'cause I had a, a drawstring
bag, 'cause I knew I wasn't coming home.
And I was planning on, to be honest, trying to meet a female
or something and not coming homethat night.
So I had like some stuff with meto like not come home.

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Yeah, well, yeah, I start going through.
I'm panicking and shit. He's like, bro, I don't know.
I'm like, but why would they leave me with my shit?
And he some something. He's like, yeah, nice people,
right? He's like, by the way, you got a
warrant? I'm gonna just take you home
'cause it's petty, but you need to go to court.
I'm gonna give you a date. I'm like alright cool, we get to
the house. I'm still confused about why I'm
waking. Up so you would you get robbed?

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I had to have. I had my whole script bro, and I
had that money. That's why I'm saying that girl.
I've confronted her. To this day they say no.
When we left, you just couldn't keep.
You were just falling asleep. Well, how the fuck did I get in?
The back where? Where'd my money go?
Where'd my strips? Go.
And I remember that last memory of her giving me that shot.
So yeah, I don't know her name'smemory.
I don't even care. I'll look at the camera and say

(28:41):
her and her dude. I've asked her 100 times but
they deny it, they say. So be it then.
Water under the bridge at this. Point right there's nothing I
could do about it. I just wish I knew what happened
that night, but it changed my life bro because whatever
happened it had me acting crazy and that's how I thought it was
zanies because like something benzo was because I fucking the

(29:05):
way I was acting I blacked out so I go home.
He's like, is this one yours, like joking around?
She says, yeah, they let me in the house.
She asked me how much money and medicine I got.
I throw both of them at her and go back there and go to sleep.
She goes through my phone, findsa text from that girl, which I
didn't delete because even though we were not together, it
was just out of respect. I didn't want to know my

(29:26):
business. So even though we, you know, I'm
still going to not just like give her a reason to fight with
me. Well because I was out of it and
didn't know what you want I didn't touch it you know?
So she starts blasting me and shit in my sleep bro.
I jump up grab her. I'm trying to like calm her
down. We're having a full blown
domestic bro and she's like beating my ass where the cops
get called. The neighbors call the cops.
She leaves goes outside, she meets them and shit I'm already

(29:49):
asleep. At some point I fall back
asleep. I wake up to them literally
grabbing me. This is all on body Cam.
They snatched me out of bed and say but she tries to tell him
hey he he has sleep issues. He already has like nightmares
which I'll get into that in a minute.
She goes on he has a psych meds and shit and he's drinking let

(30:10):
me wake him up. But they didn't listen and they
grabbed me so I elbowed him. Boom like I didn't know who the
fuck it was. It scared me.
He was like, he hit me, he jumped back.
We get the wrestling and shit. He's choking me, bro.
One come at me, I kick him in the garbage can.
It was a wrap. It was fucked.
I was already fucked. And now I'm like, well are they
going to kill me? I didn't know.

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So yeah, bro, I go to jail. But this is where it.
Gets that's a legitimate fear too at that point, I thought.
You were going to smoke me. I really did.
I get in there right? And I'm I'm strapped to this
chair and I'm peed on. I'm wearing jeans but.
Oh, they put you in the chair. They took me to the psych unit
'cause she said, see, I left that out.
I got diagnosed with bipolar type 2 and PTSD when I was 15

(30:53):
for a lot of different shit thatI've went through in my life and
that's trauma. They, they said we think you got
some form of like trauma shit and whatever.
All right. Then they said you definitely
got the highs and lows because it runs in my family.
There's a lot of mental health in my family.
So I'm taking these meds to likebalance out my brain.
I always have. I'm either real hyperactive or

(31:15):
real down. Don't worry bro I'm in the same
boat as you. It just started the just started
this year. I didn't know I've seen.
You mention something about yourmeds on the one comments.
Yeah, dude, like. I was watching those videos and
shit. Out of nowhere.
That's crazy. It's hard.
It's hard. Things trigger shit.
It's hard it. Triggers things in your brain.
It like unlocks things. So we get to during all this

(31:38):
process and shit, they're like, well, he's on the caseload, so
take him there and then jail. Well, I'm in there and I'm, I'm
strapped, but I'm also, I got jeans.
I peed on myself. Well, they wake me up like I'm
like, what happened? And she's like, oh, you had
something going on with your girl and you beat up some cops
and they said or whatever, fought some cops and you got to
go to fucking psych unit and then county jail.

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I'm like crying. I'm all mad.
I don't remember nothing. I'm putting everything together
in my mind. But then when he walks, she
goes, I'm going to send the security guard in and he's going
to take you upstairs. I say, OK, When she walks out,
the security guard comes in and says a different name, like
Jones or Johnson or something. One of them like weird.
And as soon as he says it, I thought he was fucking with me
because it was like a common name, but I just played along

(32:26):
with it. And I'm just sitting there and
he's literally unstrapping me and he's like, sign here, let me
get you a nightgown, 'cause you got pee clothes.
I'm like, no, no, no, it's all right, don't worry about it.
So I'm trying to get the fuck out of there now.
I'm like, dude is, are they letting me go 'cause he said the
wrong name? Bro, I go out here.
It was like some shit in the movie.
The fucking dude is like this. Flirting with a nurse, the cop,
an actual Warren City, OR. Wait, wait, wait.

(32:49):
So you think you're getting taken up to Jen Pop?
Yeah. And they're and you.
Now you're thinking you're talking like I'm getting out of
jail. Yeah, they're releasing me bro.
Like on accident. On accident.
This is a psychiatric unit. OK then I'm going up to the
jail. This is like that you're.
So as this is going on I go out here.
Dude an actual Braceville cop isflirting with this cute nurse
and I walk right past him and noone says shit because they just.

(33:12):
He's supposed to be making sure that I'm all right because once
they take me to the to the jail,he could just go about his time.
But right now I'm not booked in yet, so he's like babysitting.
Me, right, right. Dude, I get outside, I take off
running. Bro, I started.
I'm asking people to use their phone.
I ain't worried about my property.
I'm like trying to get the fuck out.
Of here so F3 escape. They actually didn't give me

(33:33):
none of that, really. The hospital psychiatric union.
Really. So it doesn't count?
Interesting. Could have, but he calls my
phone immediately instead and they they say, actually, I
remember I'm not even going to say it, but I remember the
officer's name to this day. The way it that I'll never
forget. He called me.
He was the chief of police in them from Braceville.

(33:53):
And he goes, hey, I understand what just happened.
He starts calling my girl and then phone, you know, and he's
like, what's going on, you know?And I'm like, bro, I'm like, you
guys released me. He's like, yeah, I was an
accident. I need to see you.
We need to talk. And I'm like, dude, you're gonna
have to do your job. I done threw my phone in the
river. They start calling all my
family, bro. They start showing up at
families 'cause they're pigs. Gonna have to do your job.

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Yeah, so now I end up going seven days later.
I just already got that paranoid.
I'm like, man, I need to just face this.
I'm not doing this every day. Everywhere I go.
They're like the cops were just here looking for you.
Everybody I know so. You're toast eventually.
I'm toast. So I go home and this is where I
go home knowing I'm going to getin trouble and shit.
I had a little couple little packs, some some a couple things

(34:39):
and some smokes and shit ready with me and I, I had it with me
knowing I'm going to jail. They surround the house right
after I got there. The trailer park didn't even
want me there. So they knew like the trailer
park already told her don't let me come back.
She did. I'm guessing one of the 40
people who were. Outside you and called.
Yeah, so they're there. They said come out, we won't do

(35:02):
nothing crazy, but they lied. As soon as I come out, they
slammed me. Boom.
That shit was crazy. In front of my kids.
I go to jail. So there are some stories from
jail, but I don't. I know we're on 'cause you know
our. Town.
Well, I mean county jail. What?
What do you prefer? County jail or prison?
Prison. Yeah, 100%.
Ten out of 10 times. How bad is it?

(35:24):
Where I was on the 4th felony 4th floor.
So it it's going up there, it's a little bit turned.
Have you been to the workhouse here in Franklin County?
I've. Never been in trouble down here.
OK, I'm from Northeast Ohio, butI've heard a lot about the
workhouse. Everybody talks about that jail.
I never been there. The only thing I'll mention from
that jail is I had my tobacco inthere.

(35:45):
This is before the body scannersand maybe the same.
You just. You just.
Yeah, no, I actually did both. I did that and I swallowed a
couple thinking if something happens with this in a couple of
days, I'll have. This to fall back on.
And it all worked out. But the main thing that sticks
out of my mind, it was nothing crazy, no fights or nothing.
It was just normal bid. But there was some, there was

(36:05):
people fucking with us on the other side of the door from the
next block who we would trade that for Wicks.
They had a lighter, we had tobacco, so we were doing deals
all day. They'd light a Wick, slide it
under. Well one day I'm making a deal
for some commissary and when it comes under and I'm grabbing it
and he's grabbing it as it's coming under and I'm obviously
he knew I'd keep my eye like it grabbed my eye to watch the

(36:27):
commissary. He yanked it back.
So now he done sent just a little bit, but yanked back, you
know what I mean? And I got fucked over bro.
Like that shit pissed me off. He was putting the rest of it.
Yeah, it was bad. So dude from another tank you
make fishing lines in jail basically, right?
Well, this was hand to hand, but.
You're. Oh, really?
You're right about that, but this is 2 blocks that are open,

(36:49):
wide open we're. Just sticking at the door bro,
OK? They're yelling in every few
minutes I get the fuck away fromthe door.
I got you OK. We'll do it again, and the gap's
huge, like it's got a gap. Oh, so there's plenty of room?
Plenty of. Anything right?
But he yanked back like we're doing our deal, and at the last
second he yanked it back. So I'm like you mother fucker.
So he didn't got over on me on that.

(37:09):
Did you get him hit? No fucking down what is up
happening. I find out from people who it
was and when we went to court wewere in the same thing.
I say something to him as soon as we're all going to court and
he said something to the CEO like hey bro trying to crash out
on me. He wasn't like I wouldn't
caught. Well, I guess in a way I would
say he was snitching, but he immediately.
Yeah, he didn't want he. Brought he, did he?

(37:30):
Brought attention to himself. We were in separate cells and he
goes, hey, don't think I'm scared of you, bro.
He goes, I just I'm about to go to court and they're about to
let me out of here. He goes, you're tripping.
And I was like, and I know kind of know who he was like and.
Why the fuck did you pull the commissary back?
He we weren't friends or nothingright?
Bro, I know I'm like I'm sittingthere processing all this in my
mind, but it's like we ain't friends but we got the same

(37:50):
friends circle. So when this all went on, he was
like we'll handle this another time.
I'm like all right. He's like cuz when I go to court
they're letting me out of jail. If me and you would have just
crashed out, it would have looked bad.
You just try to crash me out. So that's how that one.
He fucked you over, right? Right.
If you had crashed out on him. Rightfully so, right?
And then if. He gets his shit extended,
that's on him. It was all, it all happened so

(38:11):
fast but I was like man whateverat that time cuz they separated
us. And that shit's crazy.
It was fucked up. To this day, I ain't never seen
him in person. But what's crazy is he did reach
out to me when I first came homefrom prison, never mentioned
that, Just reached out and said what's up, man?
I'm glad to see you're home. I know you did that.
Seven years, keep shining, keep doing good.

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And that was literally all he said.
I said I appreciate you bro. And we just left it at that.
And we have the same friend circle.
It was more or less. I think that was his way of more
or less saying. Like squash?
Water under the bridge. We were all in addiction and
even in jail so that was what I wanted to share about that.
I get bonded out, $1000 bond, $10,000 bond, my family, my girl

(38:54):
and my mom and her ex Steve. Rest in peace to him.
They all pitch in and Get Me Outof jail.
Now I start trying ice for the first time.
I don't know why it mixes bad with my mental health.
Within like the first hour of any time that I smoke or snort
ice, I hear voices and see shit.Not from like sleep deprivation,

(39:14):
but like immediately, you know, it's as soon as I feel the
euphoria and the high, I also start hearing things and seeing
things. So it's like a.
Which is, I mean, yeah, I mean with meth, yes, but I think with
mental health it's worse. That's.
What everyone tells me people I'm with will be like, man, we
just did that, bro. There ain't no way I'll be like,

(39:34):
dude, you guys didn't hear that.And they'd be like, bro, you're
a bug out. They'd be like, pack, you're a
bug. Because, you know, everybody
calls me pack you. So they'd be like, pack, you're
a bug out, bro. Like I'm like, yeah, I don't
know. So I'm doing this.
As the time goes on, I slowly get further and further into my
addiction, but some dumb shit happens.
I start smoking, I'm hanging outwith some people and we decide

(39:56):
we're going to rob some stores and shit.
I shouldn't. I mean, I'm just going to talk
about what? So more or less they end up
giving me 7 years and they run it concurrent.
And this is from robberies. Yeah, they gave me the assault.
F3 Assault. From the from the cop thing.
I only did one robbery. Let me rephrase that.
I did 1 robbery. That's the robbery.
I got charged. You got caught, yes.

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Yeah. And they tried to say that I did
more. They were like, well, you guys
did this. Allegedly.
Allegedly. I didn't.
Yeah, they think they. Yeah, allegedly.
So me and my Codafinant get in trouble.
Boom. But that same night, some other
shit did happen, really did happen within a few blocks.
And they try to say that we've all planned these two black kids
that we all know because we're all friends.

(40:38):
Ironically, we were just in the same area.
But they try to say we did this and this at the same time to hit
these locations so that the copswouldn't know where to go.
And they even put it like that in the news, bro.
Like there's news articles saying how we all teamed up this
and that and. I think you sent me.
I think you sent me that. Did you send me that?
You might have early on. Not I will, but no.

(40:59):
If you want to check it out but I don't know if I sent you it or
not, I think I just told you some shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe. That's what on TikTok you.
Can't pictures and shit. Yeah.
So you're getting hit with the beating the shit out of the car
or the fight, the fight with thecops and then the robbery.
Yeah, and I'm going to court andnow I'm like in jail and there

(41:19):
ain't. And I got a lawyer and they
weren't going to like, let me bond.
Out you got a paid lawyer. Yeah, my aunt helped me and my
mom, my girl and my aunt and my uncle Gina and Uncle Ed, my dad,
Grandma Ellen. I had a little bit of everybody
pitch in for five grand and got me, you know, a lawyer.
But what's crazy is I actually they tried.
I will give them that. They tried, but they never

(41:41):
changed anything. I still got the same fucking
time. You never got a better offer I.
Never got a better offer and I was to this day I still don't
understand why but that happened.
Those are your first felonies. Yeah, well, yeah, all together
AS2 cases. Well, but yeah, that's the.
Point. And it was wild because that's
the. Part.
That's killer. He goes, you've been out on bomb
for 13 months. He goes, I've been watching you
come to court. Oh yeah, I left that out when I

(42:02):
did, when the shit that I did did that night, I had court
Monday and this is Friday. So in my mind I'm like, I'm
going to do whatever the fuck I want all weekend because when I
go to court Monday, I'm going toprison.
And my my lawyer told me like, you're going to prison Monday or
it might have been on. I think it was a Wednesday.
So from Friday to Wednesday, I knew that I wanted to do what I
wanted to do. Yep.

(42:23):
Well, now I'm in front of him come Wednesday and he goes, hey,
yeah, you now you're not, you'renot in plain clothes.
You come before me in oranges. And I'm hearing things and
seeing things on the news. And he goes 18 months.
And I'm like, that's sweet. I'm thinking like you just said
all that shit. But I pleaded not guilty by
reason of insanity. So I actually used my mental

(42:44):
health shit. And they were like, well, if you
go to the hospital. Your lawyer I'm sure had
something to do with. That he had a.
Lot. I bet he did.
He helped. Me, that lawyer was cool for
that, brilliant. But they still just now at this
point I didn't realize it was going to be a process.
They sent me back and forth backand forth from prison to county
like 4 fucking times bro and it was annoying.
They finally gave me 6 years. Nine months is what I ended up

(43:08):
doing total. Total.
Three months shy of seven years,yes.
So that I got out on my daughter's birthday 'cause it
was supposed to be the day. What was prison like?
I mean, what was your I mean tell take us to the first day
you're riding in on the bus likeyour feelings, how are you
feeling? Because I mean.
Nervous but also excited becauseI've been in the county and I
hear all this shit. About how prisons better.

(43:29):
Yeah, better. So we get there, Lorraine.
I see some people who I know. Yeah, I realized immediately
it's a lot of lockdown. They got wrecked and yard, but
it's mostly like you're locked down.
So you just got to have like a cool bunkie.
It's this dude who knows my mom and dad from Windham.
Ended up being your bunkie. James yeah.
And then another one who knows my mom and dad named Kev.

(43:52):
Kev and James 2 times. They're older dudes but they
both know my family. I'm like, what's the odds?
But that was cool because I keptgoing back and forth to counting
so I'd come back and get a new bunkie and shit.
And there was actually the otherones too.
I'm just saying them ones I knewthis was Lorraine, you know,
just normal. You're just bored.
It ain't it ain't really nothing.
But when you go to prison, that's when things change.

(44:13):
That's reception. That's like your guys at CRC.
OK, so you're just kind of there.
Everybody's just waiting to rideout.
Got you. And I end up going to the joint.
But so I'm going to just break it down like this, like the
parts that matter to talk about.So I I was in level twos and I
was in Level 3 for eventually when I went to the disciplinary

(44:34):
which is Lebanon, which is wheremost of my memories and story.
Times come from. All my prison talk shit that I,
you know, content creator shit, but when it.
But Lake Erie was also a fuckingspot that I'll never forget.
That's so crazy, I've never heard anybody say that.
What Lake Erie? The prison, Yeah.
You never heard nobody say that.Prison No, nor nor say that it

(44:55):
was bad. That it was bad, Yeah.
You never heard of Lake Erie? Really.
Yeah, it's an up north prison. It's like outside of Cleveland
level 2 open dorm facility. Yeah, Google it bro.
You could just Google it and it'll it's just article after
article of staff assaults, inmate gang violence.
Like it's owned by CCA Core Civic of America and they only

(45:19):
own Lake Erie North Central and any OCC in Youngstown and
they're ran different than a state ran prison because it's.
Interesting. But yeah, so I had a fucking
experience there. Now mind you, I kind of
mentioned the gang thing from before.
So at this time when I was like half assed, 1 foot in, one foot

(45:40):
out, it's like people on my on my side of town want to be
folks, which is GD's. So everybody think, you know, I
mean Gangster Disciples where everybody thinks, but it's like
new laws, growth and development.
So at this point I'm looking into this and I'm like alright
so I take this route and then I end up realizing.
So you went the gang route? Yeah, that went because I Lake
Erie was so fucking off the chain.

(46:01):
It's like. Yeah, you gotta have.
Doing it or you're a fucking target.
Gotta have people. And it's also a racist prison.
But it's but The thing is, this is a biracial organization.
I have nothing bad to say about them because at Lebanon they
embrace me, but at Lake Erie it was wild.
It was like I was used as a lot of people didn't agree with us
being white folks. Some do, some don't.

(46:23):
But so anyways, I'm going through the fucking ringer here.
Eventually disciplinary, which is level.
Three What's the ringer look like?
Man, just being asked to do things every time something
happens. You're all involved no matter
what Example like right now I'm relaxed and I'm wearing my
fucking shower slides because I didn't care.
My Nike slides or whatever this took me.

(46:45):
I've been home 21 months. I would have never did this in
prison. And my girl made a joke the
other day. She was like, we went up to the
store and I wore these and she said you're doing good.
I said, what do you mean, 'causewhen I first came home, I had to
stand there and tie my shoes andshe'd be like, really?
Come on, what are you doing? I'm what?
She'd be like, That's weird. That you got to tie the shoes
right. Be ready.
Yeah. But it felt like that and it
don't feel like that no more. It just went away.

(47:07):
That's nice. You ain't like that.
It's a you'll get a violation. We have our own laws.
You know, there's laws and policies.
So I'm gonna go ahead and just see.
I'm going to break it down. But like I don't want to glorify
that lifestyle because I I'm gonna just go to the good parts.
Alright, sure. So this is all going on Fast

(47:27):
forward and shit, we I get in some trouble.
Ticket history. Now look, this part is very
controversial, but I've told youI have something that I talked
about that is embarrassing and alot of people frown upon this,
but a lot of people also lie about this.
So in prison you got a rule 23 which is checking in.

(47:48):
And after so long of going through so much shit and I owe
people money and getting in so many fights.
I constantly had a black eye, constantly had people plotting
on me. I'm paranoid so many times that
I eventually said fuck it and did that and went to the hole
right? But I get I go back there, I
work out for 70 something days. I got money stacking on my
books. Shout out to my family for that.

(48:10):
I got my cousin Darren. I have.
I don't even want to try to nameeverybody because I'll leave
people out and feel bad. See, but on the streets though,
like, that's not embarrassing. What do you mean?
Checking in. By talking about it.
It doesn't fucking matter. I mean, I see what you're
saying. I see what you're saying.
There's a stigma with it. I've seen, I mean you see in the

(48:31):
county jail when guys tap out, right, But like regular people
don't fucking. Care they don't know exist.
Yeah, you're right, You know what I'm saying.
But in there, that shit will. Fall in there, people.
Remember, from prison to prison,Cos will tell on you.
You think you go home on this number and come back.
No, it's still in there from your last record, all that shit.

(48:52):
So like, I just wanted to make that clear.
But IA lot of times people do this, they just want to ride to
another prison the first time because it's happened a couple
times. The first time I did this was at
Lake Erie, and I went back out 2Superior CD after working out.
And the CEO's were like, Are yousure?
I'm like, yeah. And the captain came down.
He's like, you got to sign this paper, bro, that if anything
happens to you is not our thing.And then on my way out, he's

(49:14):
like, hey, bro, He's like, wait and say bro, He's like, hey, I'm
going to lie. Commend you for this.
And I was like, yeah, he was like, good luck.
And I was like, yeah, thanks, you know what I'm saying?
Because he knew you. Know what I mean?
He's like, dude. Everyone wants to fuck you up,
bro. So it was crazy.
I went back in there looking like I just dude, I just didn't
care what happened. And I went back in there and and

(49:34):
my own guys see me and they're following me and I'm telling
them hold on. And everybody's looking at me
like they seen a ghost. And I go straight to the main
person who shit I owed like and I tapped him on a rack.
He woke him up. I'm like, hey, I gotta talk to
you. And he's looking at me, wiping
sleep out of his eyes. Like what the fuck?
Like he goes, I thought I'd never see you again and I'm

(49:55):
like, you want to cash app or what?
He's like, yeah. Then I'm talking to them now
they're talking about they want to give me a physical violation
for checking in. And I'm like, all right, so I
had a rough day that day. So you had to get you for body
shots, Yeah. Well, no mouth, no that time
really. And it actually, yeah, you do.
So you know some of it obviouslyby saying what you just said.
I don't really usually go into the details, but you know,
obviously enough to be able to know that.

(50:17):
So there's different levels to it.
And eventually I got a two on one for 60 seconds.
I actually had to do that twice.You're allowed to fight back,
but they pick the best guys to whoop on you and it's fucking
and you're in this tiny room. So bro, for a long time that
shit had me brainwashed. I actually went back to it like
I was in the clear from Lake Erie.

(50:37):
I fell back. I did my two on one and then
when I went to Lebanon I did it again when I went to LEB.
Well, web's, yeah. It's a spot.
Yeah, you got it. It's the same kind of
equivalency like, but I've also been to places like Noble in
Lancaster and it wasn't as bad that each place has its own

(50:57):
spot. I started at Richland, so I went
from Richland. Yeah, how many prisons you see?
Yeah, I'm going to break that down right now.
I went from Richland to Lake Erie, from Lake Erie to Noble,
from Noble to Lancaster, from Lancaster to Lebanon.
From Lebanon I went to the Flying High program in Trumbull

(51:20):
Walls, which is right down the street from my house, Level 3.
And then I came home. So I was in four level twos, 2
level threes, and out of all them spots, 6 spots, Lake Erie,
Lebanon, and Trumbull Walls werethe three that were that
mattered, like Richland, Noble and Lancaster.

(51:40):
I feel like anybody could do time right, right with them.
Other three spots you're going to learn some shit go through
some shit, you're going to come out a little bit different and
if you don't gang bang, you probably might want to like
that's just that's just how it is real and it's just real like
Lebanon has like like probably around 20 gangs and
organizations that's. So crazy to think about.

(52:02):
And they run that place like theCE OS know we here, we're here,
we come here, do our shift and go home.
But they can overpower this bitch anytime they want.
There's 222 inmates per block with two CE OS.
So you got 2 CE OS at the desk and 222 inmates are?
On well, you can you can fuck their whole day up yeah you I

(52:24):
mean you literally have the power to fuck their entire day
up yeah like if you wanted to like you can make this shift go
smooth or this shit can go a different way you.
See Lev's got them different caliber C OS where they're like.
They're for the inmates. They're.
For the convicts and inmates, they actually.
Is that where Big Chew was from?Lebanon.
Damn. What?

(52:44):
He went. No, Did he?
We had to big Chew was ACEO and we had a guy come on and tell a
story about how he did a drive by and a golf cart with Mace and
just fucking Mace. Like 30 guys I bet.
That shit type of shit definitely happens.
They get these lead, but they got these sticks, these long
sticks, 24 something. They call it AC24 'cause it's 24

(53:09):
oz and 24 inches some shit. They're allowed to smack you
with those. They got that Fox spray and bear
spray or whatever they call it. That shit is insane.
They can hit you with sticks. Yeah, supposed to be. 24 ounces.
Below down you're. Supposed to be supposed to be
right? Like sternum down, like
whatever, that shit's insane, dude.

(53:29):
But they ended up, I don't know,but labs cool.
Once you get adapted, it's cool.So I know it's embarrassing to
admit all this. It's really so strung out on
drugs in prison bro like. That, that is, that is.
I always said that was my biggest fucking fear.
If I went to prison and I got strung out on drugs and I
started owing down, owing down left and right.

(53:51):
See, I had fan. You're right, it'd be bad.
For me, you're right. And it is because it's like
they'll give it to you, man. As soon as you get to a place
like Lake Erie or live, people come up to you.
What is your, what is your drug of choice?
And you won't realize that you're talking to some head gang
man, some head heartless felon or GD or Crips bloods,
whatevers, KF convicted family, C dub Cincinnati wild boys, all

(54:14):
these different games. Somebody's going to come up to
you and be like, what do you like?
And when you tell them here, youowe me this on store day and
you're like, wait a minute. And they ain't even saying shit.
They're just walking away. All right, Bros me 30 bucks on
store day. You're like, hell yeah, going in
the bathroom to get high, not realizing what you just opened
up. And that's how it works, bro.
It's fucked. I want people to understand

(54:35):
that. Like you can have anything you
want. You could get on Facebook and
call your family on the phone and rent a phone for 30 minutes
to an hour. But just know that once you go
down them routes, there's some shit that comes with it.
And the gang thing, it makes it even worse because you could be
just minding your own business and they'll come and get you
like hey, so and so just had this happen or so and so just

(54:55):
chalk so and so or we all got togo to the child hall and move is
1 because somethings going. To happen.
Damn. And you're like, wait a minute,
I'm going to phone my mom. But alright, hold on now.
I can't, you can't. You have to put this first.
So now you don't know if you're going to have a normal day or a
stressful day. And that's the shit people don't
realize that comes with it. It's the.
The stress and paranoia. It's serious, man.

(55:18):
So I end up going down this route.
Same shit. I do the same thing.
Get all. I tell him I want to fall back
and go to this other block whereeverybody goes who's gang
dropouts or it's like programs and shit, but they're you're
just. Like fuck this shit.
Same shit my girl actually told me.
She goes, babe, you're not coming home doing this.

(55:38):
You've been doing it, you know, since you were young.
She goes, what? The things that I thought were
sexy when I met you as a little girl, I despise now because we
got three kids. Wow.
And you're acting like a fuckingchild.
She was like every time you sendme videos, you got a black guy.
Every time I call you or you call me, you're from the whole
you're doing this, you're doing that.
Why? She's like, you would have a
smoother bid if you wasn't actively into that, right?

(56:01):
I'm good for her, probably. Yeah, for sure, man.
Thanks for helping you. Her yeah, dude, fuck.
And she? I mean dude, it takes a man to
admit this shit that you're admitting like you.
That's the truth. I think she's backing me, you're
right man, and I think by her backing me up gives me the
strength to admit this. If I wasn't, if I was just some
single dude with really. Yeah, you won't be tough and you
want to act a certain type of way.

(56:22):
Myself because I'm. Yeah.
It's the truth, bro. It's the truth bro.
That's it. You're just being honest.
Yeah, but I wanted to tell you that, you know, tell you guys,
this is what I was going to talkabout because it's embarrassing,
but it's the real truth. And when I did this so on my
TikTok, I think this video got like, I want to say around
20,000 views and probably 2-3 hundred likes and comments and

(56:45):
all these people were saying howmuch they respected that.
I just broke this down. Like you know how many people I
know who did this that would never The one dude said I've
been doing time for 25 years andI've never seen nobody stand on
checking in And when I googled it or typed it in on every
platform, Facebook, YouTube and TikTok is what I use nothing
came up. I haven't found no inmate saying

(57:07):
they're talking about what happens.
Like you'll see a prison contentcreator say a video what happens
when you check in in prison. Let's break it down.
Boom. There's one creator.
There's one big creator that admits to paying for protection
for. Yeah, but.
That's really follow it who it is.
I'm sure you do. We'll talk after.

(57:27):
Yeah, I got you. What would you say to because I
mean, dude, to me, like this shit started for you at six.
Like to to me, from what I've heard, like what would you say
to that kid? Do you know what I mean?
Like like what message would yousend and what's your life like
today? Like what is?
What has changed since you got out and like?

(57:48):
Break it down real quick. Yeah, I would definitely say
just keep, you know, I think before man, just know what's
coming I guess because. It's a tough question it.
Is it's wild to look back on andthink about it, but I guess I
want to just probably said like,you know how they say, say what
you mean and me what you say. I would probably look myself in

(58:08):
the face and tell myself to do that and don't have regrets.
Just keep moving forward and like make the good the best
choices you can, but know that you can't do something and
pussyfoot around like how I'm saying this shit I regret.
I actually have to stand on it and admit it because I can't
fucking hide from it. Like, and the fact that I talk
about my life on being a trying to be a content creator.

(58:30):
I feel like your life's already up under a microscope.
So I'm the type where I'd ratherdo it first and talk about it
then someone else trying to say I've seen that dude in a joint
and he checked in or something. You know what I mean?
That's how I looked at it. It's just you got to remember
too. And like, you know the
embarrassment. You know those like embarrassing
moments in life that you like something stupid from like 5th

(58:52):
grade that you don't forget because you think everyone
fucking laughed at you and whatever.
Like in reality, I feel like as an adult, most adults are
thinking about themselves 90 to 95% of the time, Not thinking
about that, not thinking about you.
You know what I'm saying? Like not and I'm and not in like
a humbling way, like in a, in a humbling way, like no one's
thinking about fucking Lewis. No one's got time for that.

(59:14):
Everyone's thinking about themselves.
I mean, seriously, think about it.
How much do you think about yourlife and yourself during the
day? I feel a lot, I do it too.
Now that I got y'all's names, I had them confused and shit at
first. Man, for you bringing doing this
right here and the way you know the couple bumps we ran into
today, I appreciate you bro. I'm definitely team Lewis for

(59:34):
this shit, right? Here I appreciate I.
Appreciate that. I mean Sean everybody else y'all
work with seem cool. I'm just using as an example.
I ain't met them and. You.
No. We're here.
Possible. This is.
Yeah, this possible. Bruno.
Yeah, Bruno. But that question you just
asked, all I wanted to say was as far as that where I'm at now,
when I was 90 days to the door, my girl was like, hey, there's

(59:57):
this thing where people are being like prison content
creators and they listen becausepeople are very interested in
jail. And I'm sitting there like, what
is she talking about? Yeah, when in seven years a lot
of shit changed. So she said, you got face tats
and you got like a wild story. I feel like people will listen.
So I tried it and it actually happened.
Where we made a a prison cookingvideo.

(01:00:18):
We were sharing a Facebook account.
It ended up with 1,000,000 something views.
We got monetized that fast. I'm like, OK, I'm going to make
other platforms. So as time went on, I've used
this as my hobby to like stay out of trouble.
And it's almost it's. Like.
A With that too, a therapeutic, we make a little bit of money,
like $300 a month. Like I was telling you earlier,

(01:00:40):
Facebook is what they owe us every month.
And keep at it. It's.
We're trying yeah, and we're going to keep pushing, but
TikTok, Facebook and YouTube alltogether, we got like 30 K view
followers combined and it slowlybecame something I realized that
I could really do like you guys.That's why when I watched you
guys doing this, I'm like, damn it, they let me come on there.

(01:01:00):
It's just like a motivation. Yeah.
Don't you feel good when you geton?
And oh, dude, when when I, when we started out and I would go on
podcasts it, it's exactly what it was.
And yeah, dude, like it's to Share your story.
I mean, the amount of people that we've helped, like in the
craziest ways that you would never expect.

(01:01:22):
Like dude, like random. Like there's this one person in
Texas that DM me and was like, Ican't quit, I can't stop.
And I was like, go to rehab. Here's my phone number, call me
every day. I will answer every day.
And I did and she did and she fucking got sober.
And I was like random fucking person.
But but to me, she's just another person in recovery.

(01:01:44):
Like she's family. It doesn't really matter.
Like I'm here for you, you know what I mean?
And like, you'll be amazed at the people you reach.
I. Heard some of the craziest shit.
Listen to y'all. I listen to your videos while at
work. Like I'll just listen.
Yeah. And I'm like, there's some of
the craziest stories. I definitely want to try to keep

(01:02:07):
doing stuff like this and keep pushing because I did want to
say real quick too, you don't care if I shout out the other
people. I went on do so blood on the
razor wire TV with Chad Marks. He let me come on and show.
My followers went up a little bit and then Joe Guerrero show
after prison show who I've been watching since before prison.
He let me come on his show and they went up.
So it's slowly this the third time that I've done anything

(01:02:29):
like this. But it's Paki visions is what I
wanted to let people know. If you want to come fuck with my
shit, it's spell Paki visions TVand like, yeah, I just I just.
Wanted to do that. We'll put all your links in the
description and and and everything we can to support
you. Dude thank you for coming out.
I know like you said it was a bit of a shit show, but.
It's all good, bro. I made it.

(01:02:49):
We got it. That's you.
Crushed. You really did crush it.
You really went through chronologically and you hit all
the major. Points that's cool that's cool
'cause I mean I definitely couldhave drew it out, but I know you
guys want to get going and I'm like you know what I'm.
Not set. Out now you.
You nailed it. You nailed it.
It'll be a good episode. Hell yeah, yeah, that's cool,

(01:03:10):
bro. I wanted to say something a
shout out to my this dude I wanted to do a podcast with but
in on his shit. It's the renegade spelled like
that on TikTok and he's the clapback dude that messes with all
the trolls. And I'm after this.
I want to ask you how to do start a podcast because he wants
to do it together. Like he has his own following
and I have my own following. Combined forces.

(01:03:32):
Yeah, I want to kind of ask you about that, but yeah, I
appreciate y'all man. Thank you buddy.
That's cool bro. Appreciate you man.
No. Problem dude.