How He Went From Pawning, Forging Checks, to Scamming John Deere For 50k to Fuel His Oxy Addiction | Ep 72 - Get a Grip Podcast

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Well, the Xanax when it wore off, my brain instantly went to
OK, did I get raped instantly? My brain was like, did I get
raped by these, by these, by a by a some crazy backwoods biker
gang? Because that's instantly it's
just like like I just felt defiled, right?
Like I didn't, I felt like I waslike my, all of my security had

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been ripped away. And if you think about it,
karma, right, you think about karma in, in general and the
idea of it. I had ripped the security away
from two families in my act of addiction.
So at the time I wasn't, I was still thinking selfishly like,
you know, my, my whole existenceis I have no, basically I'm, I'm

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a naked SOB that might have justbeen raped, got hit over the
head with a fire piece of firewood, ran through the woods,
jumped into a substation, got anarc flash on me and should have
died. And I'm in the hospital for 45
days at this point. Golly whoa,

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we are back. Fresh episode Get a Grip
podcast. We have a special guest with us,
Ben Sheets, local to Columbus. But you're not living here now,
correct? You're down in Portsmouth, OH.
Correct. Right on.
And we went to high school together.
Another great, another Grandview.
Another Grandview guy. And then the thing with that is

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like when we do these interviews, let's remember that
Grandview is a very affluent, nice community where people
don't struggle generally. So keep that in mind.
Bear that in mind as we go through this this story.
We always start out with your childhood, you know, to get some

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context on how you're raised. So let's start there.
Let's start. OK, well grateful for having me.
Thank you of. Course, thanks for coming.
Thanks for showing up. Yeah.
Man. Yep, Lewis was on my old golf
team. Love to death.
And what high school? Yeah, yeah, we played golf

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together. So many questions already.
But yeah, I was raised in a really, really good family.
I was raised by two scientists that really didn't.
My morals and ethics should havebeen straight laced all the way.
Very perfect, right? And like, I had everything I

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needed. I didn't want for anything.
If there was anything that I, you know, asked for, I would
usually get it. I was.
Although I was taught to work hard, I still it was still.
Cutting corners. Yeah, I think there was always

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just this curiosity of the worldand people around me that just
kind of led me to doing things that I shouldn't be doing.
But my parents had nothing to dowith that.
I think it was just, I think it was just me being curious and
but yeah, overall, I, I shouldn't, I feel like looking

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back at my childhood, I shouldn't have turned out what I
turned out to be, which was a thief.
And, you know, I did. It was kind of as simple as
that. I was just a really bad thief
because I needed drugs. Yeah, it was kind of that
simple. That's what happens.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us about middle school and

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moving into high school. How was that experience for you?
Any anything touchy there growing up?
No, there was you. Were popular.
Maybe I mean. Yeah.
I, I, I thought so. We were, yeah.
I don't know. I think sports were was always a

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thing that I was into and I think I excelled in in some
sports. I mean, we were in a small
school, so I think it's kind of that.
Yeah, it wasn't hard to excel. It wasn't hard to excel.
It's not a very deep talent pool.
Right, right. You know, like we're Division
Three and we're, you know, but Ialways had these like, I guess I

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always strive to be like this really good person at sports.
And you know, how kids have dreams of becoming professional
athletes and how kids have dreams of, you know, going to
school and getting scholarships and stuff like that.
And I had those dreams. But I think that they were, it
was kind of a far reach coming from Grandview.
You have to be really, really good and above your competition.

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There's like what one Luke Lachey is.
He got drafted, right? Did he get drafted?
I think it I did just hear that and yeah.
Like the only gram you could have ever heard of made to the
fucking league. Yeah, which is pretty awesome.
Pretty awesome. Crazy.
Yeah. So yeah, I think, I don't know
if if popularity had anything todo with that.

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I think I was just an attention seeker.
I was just like the class clown that wanted to, it was just
everyone look at me, you look atme, you know what I mean?
And I think that there was probably a void, some
psychological void in like some.So there was something there,
you know what I mean? There was something, there was a
reason for it. And I don't know why I think

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I'm, as I go through Narcotics Anonymous and I go through
recovery in general, I'm learning that that's, you know,
those are some of the things that are unfolding in my life.
So. Yeah.
When was your first drink or drug in high school?
Like do you remember it? So my first drink, my first

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drink was at my aunt's wedding. I went around all the tables to
the to the half drank wine and Istarted drinking the wine and it
was on my own accord. I just went and there was no one
said go drink this wine. I just did.
Probably doubt anybody would be like right?
Yeah, hey, hey. 12 year old. Yeah, yeah.

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Go, go. 12O. Probably 11 or 12.
I was very young and I danced like a madman.
I remember. And the more I drank, the better
I danced. So you saw it.
So, so I no, no, no. Well, so so I thought, are you
a? Dancer.
No, I'm not a dancer. OK, sorry, I'm not.
So I'm not a dancer clean or, orusing, but when I'm eleven

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drinking booze, I'm a dancer. And so, so yeah, that was
probably the first time. And then there was a, a big gap.
I didn't just like keep drinking.
I think it was probably 14 or 15.
Me and an old friend of ours. I'm not going to drop any names,

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but we, I smoked weed for the first time probably 1516 and my
brother was three years older. So keep that in mind.
I think that has a lot to do with, that has a lot to do with
the, you know, I think maybe notusing drugs at a young age, but
smoking weed and, and kind of dipping my toes in the water,

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you know what I mean? So like when I was 15, he was
drinking with his friends, you know, and I was kind of tight
with some of his friends. So I've also drank and also, you
know, smoked and stuff like that.
I didn't really get into anything hard until probably 17
or 18. Do you remember like drinking

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and smoking? Do you remember it like
alleviating the symptoms of because, I mean, you know,
alcoholism, right? That's the solution because the
drugs and the alcohol, do you remember how that felt and how
that made you feel? Not normal.
Which was better than life, right?

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So. So life.
I don't know if you've ever seenthat James Bond movie The world
is not enough. I'm not Fuck.
But he's normally the movie guy.But there's a there's a famous
James Bond movie. It's the World is not enough.
And that's kind of where I thinkwhen I was late in high school,
it just Grandview, Columbus, I had explored so many different

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places that it just, it wasn't enough.
So that's when I started internally kind of searching for
something to fill that void of, of, you know, this space isn't
big enough for me. And so I started drinking,
started smoking occasionally. Did I feel like I did Vicodin

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maybe at a young age, maybe like716 or 17 from a tooth thing and
just abuse the crap out of it. You know what I mean?
But there wasn't, there was 1 I think Suboxone when I was 17 or
18. Really.
That was that was my first like true opiate.
It was on Christmas Eve, it. Must have been the IT was the

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pill, right? The.
It was a whole pill. It was my very first.
Thing you took the whole thing took the.
Whole thing Very, very first Oh.My God.
Yeah, it was rough. It was rough on Christmas.
Eve floored. On Christmas Eve, I was throwing
up, trying to keep it from my parents.
It was. It was rough that was not there.
I'm like, obviously you're, you're gone.

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That I was sick. Yeah, yeah, that's all you got.
Yeah, that's all I got, that I'msick, you know?
'Cause that it lasts a really long time.
Yes, and it's really strong, especially if it was your first
time. Yep.
Yep. So, so yeah.
That was my, that's it. Just nothing was enough, right.
So it it just I couldn't. Nothing was enough.

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I felt like that I should be more successful.
I felt like I should be. I felt like I should have more,
be seen more. It was still that attention
seeking, like, you know, my lifeshould be more than what it is.
So do drugs. And, you know, I can trick my
brain into into believing that. And so, yeah, that that's kind

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of it. And so after high school, I
moved to Arizona State. So there's another thing you
know did. You go to College in Arizona
State? Yeah.
I went to college for one. Well, yeah, I think one full
year. Why'd you go all the way out
there? Why not something?
Because man, James Bond. Big city.
The world was not enough, right it it Grandview wasn't enough.

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Columbus wasn't enough. Ohio State wasn't enough.
My mom worked at Ohio State, so I knew the campus very well.
Arizona State's a good school. Yeah, it's a party school too.
Really. Yeah, big time party school.
Did you know that when you applied there?
Yes, Yep, Yep. I kind of, I think I feel like I

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dug my heels in when I was 17 or18 in the whole drug scene and
was like, OK, where's the place that I can use my grandparents
money to go have the most fun? And that was my choice.
And I have family out there as well.
So there was kind of a double, you know, double whammy.
Like I'm gonna, I'll have some comfort somewhere, you know, if

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if somewhere, somewhere. Fan or something?
Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly so. So yeah.
And. So you're not, you're not.
You don't have an opiate habit at this point, you don't you,
and you're really just kind of partying normally, so to speak.
You mean back back then? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
So no, yeah, I was a, I got an Adderall, a prescription and it

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was because I was ADD, right? And because I I needed to finish
my homework. Right.
You know. Right.
And that just wasn't the case. The Adderall prescription was
gone in three or four days, you know, so.
That's rough. Yeah.
That's rough. Yeah.
So. So, yeah, I don't know it

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Arizona State was kind of, it's kind of a blur now because that
was what I'm 33. So that was 13 years ago, 14
years ago. But I just did a ton of party
drugs, just a stupid amount of party drugs.
Then when you say party drugs, what do you mean?
Molly, ecstasy, cocaine, obviously a lot of Adderall,

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alcohol. I remember blowing a .283.
I am, yeah, I got caught. I got caught.
I got an underage drinking and Iblew a .283 and I was talking to
him like I'm talking to you now.So like and he was like, dude,
this is. That's almost four times the
legal limit. Yeah, so he was alarmed.

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Sure, sure. He.
Was he was alarmed. You.
Ever go to school this time? Like are you?
Doing so, yeah, I was. I was, I was trying to attend
class. I mean, like I was attending
enough to stay like academicallyabove board, like getting DS and
CS, you know, but I knew that I that it was a means to an end,

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you know, I was, I was enrolled.Like deep down you knew this
isn't going to work out. Tape deal.
Oh, yeah. Oh, I yeah, I had.
I think I made a conscious decision.
I think I had made a conscious decision that school is not like
I, I'm enrolled here to party and that after a year I will go
back home, you know, and then just kind of flying by the seat

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of my pants just like. That's how I always felt, dude,
'cause I like there was always so much pressure and the
expectations of like growing up in a nice neighborhood and like,
oh, I got to go to college, I got to get a degree, I got to
get a family in a house. And I didn't know how the fuck I
was going to do that. Had no idea.

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I just, I was just following in people's footsteps or like doing
the shit that I thought I was supposed to do.
Yeah. You know, yeah, Yeah, I can
relate completely. What do you pick as your major?
Like what was your? So I've, I was accepted as a
mechanical engineer and then I switched my major halfway

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through because I didn't meet the requirements in that first
semester because I just, I was attending class, but I wasn't
doing my homework and I just, I was smart enough for it, but I
just didn't apply myself at all.So I think I switched it to like
some type of visual media or something, something art related
that like the requirements were very minimum, like lowest number

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of credit hours. You know, I I've strategically
did that. Probably.
Easier classes, yeah, easier classes, more fun classes.
But yeah, so. School is getting in the way of
partying. Yes, yeah, it was.
Yeah. And I, and what's interesting is
I never sold drugs. I'd like in my entire, in my

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entire using, I feel like I'm middle manned, but I never sold
drugs ever. I never had that aspiration to
make money doing the thing that I loved, which was to use drugs,
you know, but I felt like maybe I was, maybe it's my ego saying

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that I was too good to sell drugs.
I can work and I can like, I'm not going to be a drug dealer.
I'm just going to use the shit out of drugs.
And I think, I think, yeah, there's something to be said
there too, because I could have.I knew enough people.

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Like, if I got AI was never the dude, you know, I was never that
dude. I might have been the dude that
knew the dude, but I was never that dude.
And I feel like I'm grateful because I probably would be in
prison if I was that dude. You know, I got close enough to

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prison as it is. So yeah, that was my, I guess,
Arizona State thing. And then I ran home.
Back to comfort. Your mom and dad like bummed out
that you didn't make it in college.
Yeah, but I was a really good liar, you know what I mean?
So like, so I think I just kind of coaxed them into believing

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that I was, you know, just goingto go to school in Columbus and
everything will be OK, you know,so.
What happened when you got home?Like what was what was the what
was your actual plan? So my actual plan I think, I

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think I was like a puppy dog with my tail between my legs at
that point and Columbus State was an easy choice to kind of
put them at Bay and be like, OK,I'm going to go to Columbus
State, I'm going to get my degree still like y'all can
chill, you know? Get your parents off your.
Back, get your people back. And yeah, so I think that's,

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that was what I did to kind of put them at Bay.
And then after that, I just lived in their basement and just
continued to use drugs. There was people, there were so
many people in in Grandview, as you know, that had mommy and
daddy money. Yeah, they did.
And they wanted to spend it. And yeah, they did.

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And I was one of those people. But my mom and dad didn't really
give me money. I worked for my money and then I
ended up stealing. So like, and I just ended up
betraying trust of people that like, it's just that you just
don't betray trust people you're.

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Close to. People, well, people I'm close
to, and also people that are really good people.
That's the worst part about it is that they like, they make a
living helping people, right? They make a living.
And those are the people that I stole from.
And it's almost like stealing from the vulnerable, even though
they're they're not children andthey're not like they're

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mentally capable, but they stilllike, it's still the vulnerable
because they are very trusting and.
Nice. And kind and very good people.
I wouldn't call them naive. I would just call them very
they're just really good people and they saw the goodness in me
and I was just a good liar. So, yeah, and that's when that

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whole train started was when I got back from Arizona State.
So what you what caused you to steal?
Like I know you're partying right, but clearly there had to
be some sort of dependence at some point that came along.
Did you I I thought you got intoopiates.
So I did, I did. And again, I'm not going to drop

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names, but the dependence didn'thappen until I started using
with one of my close friends still to this day.
And he and I just started using a lot of we, I think we got a
couple scripts of Vicodin to begin with, to start with.
And then we started just slamming 30s back.

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Dude 30s were huge Oxycodone 30sthey you know.
They were, they weren't as expensive then they were like
maybe I think they were 20 bucksvery first time I ever bought 1,
I think they were 20 bucks a pop, which is a pretty
manageable. Like if you're, if you're
working, you know, one of those when you're, when I was early in

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recovery or sorry, early in, early in use, when I was early
in use, 20 bucks is manageable. And one of those would get me
through the day. And this was probably 2000 and
11 or 12 sounds about right. So, so that's, you know, he and

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I were doing a lot. We were, it was at least one a
day, maybe maybe 2 a day if I was lucky.
But I was working through this and I hadn't started stealing
really much. What was that experience like?
Maybe change from my parents, you know what I mean?
Little things. Little stuff.
You know what? What did what was the experience

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like using a 30 for the first time?
Like how? How did that make you feel?
Like I was part of the couch like a.
Blanket. Warm blanket.
I was just part of the couch and, you know, video games were
more fun. Nothing mattered.
Yeah, there was no troubles of life.

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There was no I didn't have to worry about succeeding.
I didn't have to worry about pleasing anyone.
The conundrum is that selfishly,I only cared about pleasing
myself, right? That was it.
It's normal for us. Yeah, my brain was the most
important brain and there was noone else that I was worried

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about. And yeah, that and 30s basically
just fortified that it was just,you know, stamp it in stone that
this Percocet 30 is going to getme through the day, you know,
me, me, me, you know. Yeah, that's what it is.
Yeah. So yeah, that's kind of it's

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kind of what? Led you to the yeah thievery.
Well. I would never have ever guessed
that you would be a thief like that.
That would have been what you picked.
Well and see like I never broke and entered like I never like
but I was slick. So like I was just a fucking
snake dude. So when, pardon my language,

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everyone, but I was a fucking snake.
Yeah, well, so was I. Yeah, man, so.
Was he? Right dirt ball like.
I'd get people's trust and therewas two families specifically
that I stole the most from and Ione of them is very, very well
to do. They help people for a living

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and they make a lot of money doing it.
And I basically rummaged throughtheir shit, found the most
valuable stuff they I had gainedtheir trust.
You're in their house. Yeah, but I but you're like
welcome. But I was welcomed there because
I was house sitting there dog. I was I was, you know, getting
paid by them to house to house sit there dog and to steal from.

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You and to fucking hit the. Legs, right, so it was so I
wasn't breaking and entering anywhere and.
Are you just starting with like little things that you hope they
don't notice? Oh, yeah, jewelry, little stuff,
little stuff here and there, cash that was just laying
around. But yeah.
And it just, it just grew out ofcontrol.
And I was dating a a girl at thetime that was also very, very

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close with them. And we both got caught doing it.
It took about a year. It took about a year, but we
were. Before they caught on.
Just about. I think she she probably caught
on way before that, but didn't want it to be us.

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There was other people that she would have at the house and we
were actually strategic in we wewould, we would steal the most
when she would have a contractorthere or if she had someone else
working on her house or something.
Really smart. Right.
So like, but, but that's kind ofthat's what a smart drug addict

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does. I mean, that's slick.
That's, I mean, that's brilliant.
Well, it's but it's, but it's not to a drug addict.
Well, but it's just, that's how it was kind of opportunistic, to
be honest. There's a contractor there.
It wasn't brilliant. It was opportunism.
We didn't wait for the contractor get there.
The contractor got there and we're like, oh, perfect.
The lightest Now's the chance. You know, now we can take that

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really big thing that we talk. But to connect that dot though
is still I mean, because I mean,we are addicts.
They they talk about it. We are above average earners and
we are fucking manipulators. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Are you like, like trying to convince them too that it might

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or gaslight them into thinking like it probably was the
contractor? Like I saw him snooping around.
You know what I mean? Like you ever helped build the
case against the contractor? So So no, no, I don't.
I wasn't close enough with her. So, so really, I think she was,

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she knew that I was kind of downand out and like not going to
school and she was again, tryingto help a person, right.
And and really the mode of communication between her was
with my ex-girlfriend, because that was that was the whole
connection to becoming a house sitter.
Anyway, I became a house sitter for them not to steal from them.

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It was to make money while I wasjobless and schoolless and, you
know, living like a piece of shit, you know, and I, I think I
was using drugs at the time, butI wasn't, but I really didn't
want to harm these people. You know, it was still like
there wasn't a preconceived like, oh, you know, there's

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going to be money there. It was just like, no, these are
good people, and I can probably make a decent amount of money,
you know, doing very little right, which is a drug addict's
ideal job. I can sit on this person's
couch, wait for a check, and then get my drugs.
And are they gone enough to like?
Yeah, so they're doctors and stuff.
So they're so they are. Gone a lot.

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They're gone a lot like like good doctors, really good
doctors. So not like.
Damn, so they had bread for real?
Like for real? Well, I'm sure I don't know
exactly. I don't know exactly.
I don't know exactly how much, but nor is it my issue, but my,
my issue was opening up a drawerto see if there's cash in it in

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the drawer, right? So but yeah, the gift cards,
cash, jewelry, foreign currency.Really.
What do you do with that? Take it to the airport and cash
it. In, that's right.
Is that what you would do? That's what I'd do, Really.
Yeah. Wow, bud.
I'd never done that. I thought about that.

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I had the opportunity but I was asked too much work for me.
It wasn't. It wasn't.
It wouldn't have been if you had$1000 in.
I mean, that's very euros. Yeah, you have.
You have $1000 in euros. Damn they had AG bar in euros
just sitting around. Easy, God.
Randy, go fun. You ever feel steal anything
stupid where you're like, you'relike, there's no way they're not
going to notice if I take this, but then you take it anyway.

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I reached that point. So we reached that point, my ex
and I reached that point where there was it became so much more
about the drugs than it did about their stuff.
And it became so much more aboutus than it did about their dog
or or their. Or yeah, the dog never mattered.
Like, yeah, like, like the well,it got to that point at first

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the dog did, right? What was your job?
Yeah, it was our and we still walk the dog and we still, we
still performed our duties even higher than crap, right.
But it was, it's not that hard when you're when you're happy on
30s, you know, So yeah, I think that's kind of what that's kind

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of what happened is it just we got LED into this.
It was total selfishness. And there was, it was all about
how do we get to the pawn shop with something of value so that
we can get 30s. And if we know that there's
something of value that we can get to the pawn shop, how are we
going to line up the dealer and how are we going to get there?

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And where are we going to meet him and where or her?
And, you know, and, and it was that's kind of the life we lived
for about a year before I knew that I was going to get caught.
There was a time when it was like, OK, it's it's time for me
to. Like it will happen that's the

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timer has started. Right.
And so I think, I think kind of in this selfish, like kind of
kind of in this selfish way, I, I wrote a letter to her
basically acknowledging that I was a piece of shit and that I

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stole from her. And I dropped the letter off on
her porch. And I knew that things were like
going to about to explode. And I want, I felt like I
getting in front of it would help when really it probably was
the wrong thing to do. But.
I would have thought the same thing.
But like the drug addict brain is like I'm I know that
consequences are on the horizon,so I'm going to try to minimize

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these consequences. But it was really still rooted
in selfishness. Yeah, because like I if I give
her the note, it looks like I'm like.
It looks like I care still. Yeah.
When I really didn't have the conscience, I was just trying
to. I was just trying to, you know.
Lessen the blow, yeah. What was the smoking gun like?
Did she come to you and say, hey, I noticed this shit's
missing? I think it went through my ex's

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mom. OK, so so they were best friend.
Pardon me. They were or are best friends.
I don't know. And that's how we got the gig in
the 1st place. That's how we started watching
their dog was that my ex's mom was best friends with her.

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My ex got the job and then she trusted me through the Grapevine
of Grandview UA. You know, sure, schmutz you.
Know I would have trusted you. Oh, a lot of people did.
Yeah. Well, I should say two people
specifically did. And then I then I just.
What's the other the other situation?
Look. Like the other situation is

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right across the street. From the dog sitting house.
Yeah, yeah, right. Well, no, no, no, not from the
dog sitting house, from my house, from my home.
Yeah. And this is where, this is where
I've got a strap in cause for real.
For real. This is this is the rough stuff
and this is something that I'll,I'll have to live with the rest

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of my life And and I'll it's part of it's a catch 22 because
I without, without me harming this family like I did
financially, I feel like my roots in recovery wouldn't be as
strong, if that makes sense. So what's done is done And I all

(31:43):
I did was steal from them, but it's the, it's not about the
theft as it is about the scenario as to how the theft
happened. They have a kid who has Down
syndrome and I was watching him specifically and basically I I

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had to go through the state and become board certified to watch
someone. Are you like a home health?
Not home health. So it was through this this
place called Best Buddies and it's it's a very, very serious,
world renowned organization thatis designed to help people with

(32:29):
Down syndrome who are on that edge of teen to adult.
How in the fuck did you? Yeah, you.
Stumble on that, how the fuck they're?
My neighbor. Well, right, but.
Where I was friends with them. Didn't you have to get like
licensed or something or like? So, yeah, and I did.
Were you? Using at the time.
Oh yeah. But I wasn't drug I, I wasn't

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drug tested. Was it?
But was this so was this like premeditated?
Like I'm going to get this license and I'm then I'm going
to go do this. Oh, absolutely not.
No. I love that boy.
Until the day that I died. OK.
No, no, no. This.
Yeah, there's. I just didn't know how deep it.
Ran No, no, no, no. If you were like, no, no, no,
I'm not that sick, but I'm, I'm sick but I but I still I will

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love that boy till the day I die.
So they approach you and say heyor.
Yeah, they approached me. Hey, you know, they and they
used it as an opportunity. They knew I didn't have a job.
And they're helping you. Out and they're help it's you
know one hand feeds the other and it was this cyclical kind of
you know but again a family thatwas trying to help me help their
kid who has disabilities yeah but no not in my worst nightmare

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what I ever precon pre. I was going to say because that
was. Consciously, consciously do
that. Yeah, no, it was again, an
opportunistic thing. So like, although I was using,
it was still one of those thingswhere it's like I'm going to get
paid a pretty good amount to do.And then how many are you doing
this like every day? A couple.
Hours every day, every day, justabout and and what's interesting

(33:59):
is I got basically per diem, which was I could take him to
Wyandotte Lake or I could take him to and where the where the
real conscious thing now that I'm clean is the real, the
shitty thing about it was like, yes, there was times when I
would drive a vehicle under the influence of oxycodone, right?

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Which is obviously not OK when you've got someone with
disabilities in your vehicle. I mean, it's illegal in general.
It's illegal in general, but it it adds insult to injury when
when that's the case. But there's another thing that,
you know, I have to live with, you know, and, and that's that's
step work stuff for me. So, But yeah, when it comes to

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the love of the kid and it came to the love of their family and
what they were doing and their basically where they what they
were trying to do for not only their own kid that had Down
syndrome, but for other people. Because she's like up at the top
of this best buddies thing. She's like, like for Ohio.

(35:09):
For Ohio. Yeah.
And that's how I was introduced to it.
And and so, yeah. So I believe in their mission
like crazy. I was just a drug addict.
You know what I mean? I still love the crap out of
him. Every moment that I was with
him, I never took him with me toI.

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There was times I felt I think Ileft him at home maybe for an
hour or something and went and got drugs.
But I never took him with me to go get drugs.
There was a boundary there. There's where good for you,
there's. I mean, well, it's hard.
It's hard to do. But still, there's your catch
22. You leave somebody with

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disabilities at home alone. Alone.
Yeah. So that I you know what I mean.
How the kid ever been home aloneprior?
Like, Oh yeah. And he it was OK, he was old
enough that he could have been OK at home, but still under the
circumstances, he shouldn't havebeen.
The only times that he should have been left at home alone is
if I was going across the streetto like do something for me

(36:13):
personally, not drug related right?
Or if I needed to run an errand without him or something to do.
Do a. Job and I would you're right
right. So that that's kind of that that
was yeah. But as far as the love for the
kid, they it was always there and it still is.

(36:36):
Yeah, so. When's the first like like, you
know, thievery happens like immediately or you try to like
hold off for a couple days? Before you so so with them it
was checks. Really quick, do you know you're
dependent on oxycodone at this point?
Like, are you, you know you're going through withdrawals if you

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don't have it? Yep.
You know, you need the money. Yeah, like it's not a question.
Yeah, OK. Yeah, I knew I was addicted to
drugs. Yeah, 100%.
That being said, that being said, just 'cause I knew I was
addicted to drugs didn't preventme from from stealing from them,

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you know what I mean? Well, no, no.
I think, I think the big snag was I've got this.
I've got this kid who has Down syndrome and when I say kid,
he's 17, so he's on the edge of,but he's still going to be a kid
when he's 35, right? You know what I mean?

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So it's like you got to be morally and ethically it was a
Gray area that was I shouldn't have been involved at all.
And that's how I say it's got tobe hard doing that any like
regardless drugs or not, because, you know, they have

(37:59):
special needs. And yeah, yeah, that had been
rough, just doing the job. Yep, Yep.
So believe it or not, the job itself was super easy.
He is such a good person. Just 100% genuine love of all
things, right? That he the job was very easy.

(38:26):
And what was the moral and ethical part is that you talk
about manipulation and how people manipulate each other and
out in the real world. It's like if I wanted to
manipulate him, I could have in any way.
And how I manipulated him was leaving him at home to go get to
go cop drugs. It was basically leaving him
alone and even consciously knowing that he'd get sad that I

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wasn't there, you know what I mean?
Because he just wanted someone to be around.
Sure. What are you getting paid to do
this by the way? Like. 15 or 16 bucks an hour,
nothing crazy. And it's a full time gig or just
like part time I think it was. I think it was full time.
I think it was close to 40, close close to 40, maybe 30.
Damn. But you have to remember, I also

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like there was times where I would strategically use this per
diem, you know, I'd make sure that I had my my stash the night
before and we're going to Wyandotte Lake.
Hell yeah. You know what I mean.
Like, or we're going to, you know, we're going to go to a
boxing thing so that you can go start boxing or sure, you know,

(39:32):
little trips here and there. Now, the the biggest trip that
we took was to Wyandotte Lake. But but yeah, so there, that's,
that's my big, that's like, it makes my teeth like it.
It just makes like my blood boil.
Still rough. Right.
And it's like, that's who I was,you know what I mean?

(39:54):
Like what? The Who, the like.
So what were you? How?
What were you stealing? You said checks were a thing.
Yeah, I forged checks, so they just like leave their.
Checkbook sitting around. Yeah, they're and it was very
like that just shows you how there's obviously A and I would
basically double the check. So like I would just like, let's

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say she would write me a check for, I don't know, 250 bucks,
whatever. Then I would just write the
exact same check and I have a steady right hand so.
You mean you write over the track and just write a whole new
check like? Whole new check and it would
just and I would cash it the next day or whatever and it just

(40:35):
it took a while. I was that desperate.
I knew that I would get caught again, right.
You know you're going to get caught for this stuff.
It's a matter of time. It's a matter of it's a.
Matter it why you can, yeah. So like, but that just shows you
it's like the money is that muchmore important or the drugs are
that much more important than knowing there's going to be a
track record, you know, federally, right?

(40:57):
I always found, like, I would just try to like, justify in my
brain somehow, like what I'm going to tell them the story is,
it's going to be the best story.They're going to believe it.
Yeah, that whole deal. Yeah, there's things.
Say that again. Like, I would like as I'm doing
this, right? I know it's stupid.
I know I'm going to get caught eventually, but I will trick
myself into thinking like, oh, Ican come up with some kind of
story. Yeah, that'll make this all

(41:18):
check out and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've, we've
hit the nail on the head. We've all been there in a place
where we're do we're doing something illegal and we know,
we know we're going to get caught.
No, without question. I know I'd been there plenty of
times. Like just when?
When am I going to get caught? What was one of your?

(41:38):
What was one of your big ones? I mean, yeah, I was a Lego.
I was a booster. So I was booster.
Petty thefts, like I'd go into store this bullshit and like,
yeah, like it's just a matter ofwhen.
I would do it every day. Yeah, every day, and I like big
stuff. Legos toys.
I had a toy guy who would sell toys at conventions and he'd buy

(42:01):
them off me for like pretty goodprice.
So like 50%? It was a little more than that.
Little more than 50. Which is good.
And also, this was when Giant Eagle had those gift card
machines. OK, so like, I would go to
Macy's, I'd grab like 4 pairs of$175 slacks, put them under my
jeans, and then just walk out the door.

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And then I'd have somebody else come in and return them without
a receipt, get the gift card, and then we'd go take it to that
machine and then boom, 300 bucksor whatever.
Interesting. Shit like that.
Interesting. Yeah, I don't remember.
Those days. Interesting.
Interesting. That was my like main thing.
And then there was the opportunistic crimes that you

(42:44):
know where you're breaking into a car because you see something
through the window or breaking in.
I I have broken into a house when there was a person in the
house knowing there was cash in the basement and I just had to
get to the basement and get the cash and get the fuck out before
and it was a cross. How did that, how did that, how

(43:05):
did that make you feel? I just needed the money.
Well, no, no, no. I mean like the anxiety and
everything you like were you like the shower you like hood
were you like? Opened the door.
I remember opening the window, yeah, to crawl through the
window. And I heard the shower running
and I knew that no one was home but this one person.
It was. That's just her.

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Of the guy that I knew, OK, And so I'm like, all right, if she's
in the shower, I got fucking. I at least have 60 seconds,
right? You know what I mean?
So if I can get down to the basement, get in the filing
cabinet, pull the filing becauseit was like hidden behind books
in a filing cabinet, get the cash, get the fuck out.
And I and it worked. I did it more than once and then

(43:48):
I got caught. At that, from those people I.
Didn't get caught like in the act, but what happened was the
people who owned the house foundout and they blamed it on their
kid who was my friend. OK.
And he was like. Fuck no.
That was Louis. That was definitely Louis who
did that. And it, I mean, it was so.

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And then I got confronted at my sister's graduation, high school
graduation by the father. Yeah.
So that was fun. That was a good one.
The shit we do. Yeah, what's D-Day look like
when they find out? Like now you've been confronted.
And you've got 2, you've got 2, so you've.
Got so so yeah. So I think, dude, it's too

(44:32):
muddly in my brain now, like in my in my recovery brain Now
looking back, I don't know what came first or if it all came at
once. I think it came.
I think what happened, I think what happened is I got I knew
that I was going to get caught at the one the dog and maybe I

(44:56):
had already stopped working for the other.
Yeah, the the dog one and maybe I'd already stopped at the other
and then over time I was chargedfor both.
Was there a part of you that thought these people wouldn't
press charges because you were like, there's a chance that they
don't press charges or maybe they say just pay me back?

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So yes, there was, there was that, but I think there was a
time, there was a time when I knew that I was going to get
charges pressed. You know, there was that, that
epiphany where it was like therethat like I, I could end up, I

(45:39):
could end up in jail, right? Like time for to get me a pack
of cigarettes, you know what I mean?
Like, so there was that time, but for a while, yes, it was
just, you know, I'm a good kid from a good neighborhood
neighborhood and they're smart and they know that I'm have a

(46:01):
problem, you know, and, and I rested on on those loins instead
of like, like, you know, woe is me, I've got the I've got a
problem. Don't press charters.
I have a problem. I'm.
Sick. Right, not me.
And I think I. Didn't mean to, I just drugs
made me do it. Right.
And I, I, I think, I think realistically that's where many
people in well to do neighborhoods get it wrong for

(46:24):
their kids. Yep.
I think that they're psychologically, I think that's
the big it's, it's a, it's not natural for a parent to want to
throw the hammer down on their kid, but I think that's where
people in nice neighborhoods getit wrong.

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I agree 100%. I think that either the
community has to have some type of Community Action type deal
where they are, there's a formula educating, there's a
form, well, there's a formula asto how to throw the hammer down
on this person, right? Or, or there is you just, you

(47:09):
just bite the bullet and whatever they did, they've got
to pay for it, right? Whether that's financial or
whether that is jail, whether it's even prison in some cases
for me, I was smart enough to know not to break and enter,
right? Yep, because that's a big deal.
I knew. I knew my felony charges.

(47:32):
Now, I could have been charged with Grand Theft, and I think I
was. I got a good attorney.
All you have to do is Grand Theft or just over $1000.
Well over because I know like with shoplifting.
Is that is that it was? $1000 was the cut off.
So like at a anything over 1000 is a felony.

(47:52):
It's a felony charge. We'll see.
I think there's levels to Grand Theft.
So I think so you, you think about like the video game Grand
Theft Auto, you know, but it's but it's but like Grand Theft
Auto I think is an F1 where if you're stealing somebody's
vehicle, it's an F1 and they're but I think maybe.
I don't even know what I don't even know.
What if it's got to be an F2 or an F?

(48:12):
Two, it's an F, it's a. It's, it's very, very.
It's up there, it's up there, yeah.
But I think when it comes to tangible things, as long as
you're not breaking and entering, you're.
That helps a lot. I think that it that helped.
That helped me a lot. Nothing aggravated, obviously.
Nothing aggravated. It was all drug related.
Literally every single dime thatI stole went to drugs.

(48:34):
Every single dime, right, right.And.
Which believe it or not, does help when it comes to the
justice system because if they can look at it and see, OK, this
is his kids got a problem with drugs, that does help you.
Right, right. So one thing that I didn't do is
I didn't, I didn't like roll on anyone, you know what I'm

(48:56):
saying? So like when I got into, I
didn't like give, give up anyone.
Was there anyone to roll on? I said.
Who you? Roll on well, when you start
talking about drugs and drug dealers and where the stuff
comes from and where to get to get to get out of anything I I
took I took my stuff on the chinright as you as well.

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In my personal St. opinion, that's the same as you should.
Yeah, Yeah, I agree. Now there's some people that
don't, but basically accept the consequences like a man, right?
Get through it, yes, And live your life as best you can and
try to make amends. That's kind of where I'm at now.
You made you made the paper, right?

(49:38):
I think I made you made. I think I made 10 TI, might have
made the. News.
Yeah, because I remember seeing it somewhere.
I think I made the news. And I was like what the fuck?
I think I made the news. Well, I'm sure I made the news.
So they pressed charges on you, both of them, and then you go to
jail immediately. So I remember getting, I

(49:59):
remember getting a Granby policeofficer came to my door and took
me downtown. I don't know if there's jail, if
there's a jail downtown still, Yeah.
There is, there is. But took me downtown and I was
there for maybe 3 or 4 days and my ex-girlfriend at the time had

(50:20):
Percocets waiting for me 4 days.Like, tell us about the jail
experience. Tell us about because I know for
me it was like the first time for me was like culture shock
central. Like holy fuck.
This is. Bad.
This is fucked up. I don't know, I I made friends.
OK, cool. Pretty easy.
Right on. I don't know, I I I know how to

(50:46):
share. Downtown is a lot more chill
than the workhouse for sure. So, so I know how to, I know how
to share. I never went to the workhouse
and I heard that that was rough.It's fucked up.
Yeah, but I've been to more thanone jail.
I've been to 1230. Shit.
Three different jails. Damn.
Yeah. OK, so.

(51:07):
So. Yeah.
So I don't know. I'm a pretty adaptable human
creature. Camellia.
Are you going through withdrawalin?
Vale Oh yeah, yeah. But I mean, I never really, I
don't know, I wasn't really, I was too worried about managing
personalities in the jail then Iwas.

(51:31):
And when I say managing personalities, understanding who
not to mess with, right in my brain, understanding, you know,
how to walk, where to walk, whatto do.
Yeah, you got to figure it out. You figure it out real quick,
right? I was too worried about that to
to really worry about like what I was.

(51:51):
Were you sleeping like, did you get, I mean?
Probably restless legs. Bad restless legs.
I mean, that's what keeps peopleusing, in my opinion, sleep.
And you were still doing it's 2Aday, 2A day three a day at that
point, 30s or had you? I was probably doing two or
three at that point. And that's enough to be sick as.
Fuck, I think two or three a dayat $50 a piece plus one or two

(52:15):
plus one or plus one or two plusone or two for my ex times.
Eight years, yeah. God, so you never you never
switched from the pills you stayed with with the Oxys?
Oh yeah, the whole time I I might have mud puddled once in a
blue moon, but but I didn't really.

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If I had to. If I, if it was a very, very
rare current situation and I'm I'm lucky that I went to, that I
went to jail before and this is after, I'm lucky that I went to
jail before fentanyl really hit because I'd be dead period.
I'd be dead. I'd be in, I'd be 6 feet under.

(52:59):
If if I wasn't locked up and hitthe consequences when I did, I
would be dead. So they indict you, you go do
four days and you bond out. Yep, I bond out OK.
Who bond you out, Mom and dad? It was a whatever that bond is
called, OR bond OR bond what the.
Fuck bro, are you kidding? Me no.

(53:21):
Everybody we come on, have come on is like, yeah, we got no R
and fucking we never got no R for anything ever.
Never. Ever.
And you had some big boy shit. I think, but I also had a big
boy lawyer. Oh well, that helps.
You know. Who paid for the lawyer?
Parents. Yeah, I am, yeah.
It's nice. Very nice, Yeah.

(53:44):
Blessed, grateful I didn't have.Is it the attorney that I'm
thinking of? It may be the attorney that you
might be maybe thinking of somewhat.
If he's a big boy attorney, thenyeah, yeah.
So you were in good hands. I was in someone's hands, yeah.

(54:04):
Welcome visit. Yeah.
What happens? So I got OR bonded.
I did a Percocet right when I got out.
In the car? Was it like in the parking lot
thing? And then I started kind of
running. When I say running, I mean kind

(54:25):
of the legal, legal dance with the attorney.
We may or may not be thinking ofwho is an attorney.
Maybe. Allegedly.
But yet. So I started running once that
was once that was I guess once that was closed up enough to

(54:48):
where it was restitution, drug tests here and there or
whatever. Probation.
I think probation but dude this is so long ago.
This is my first. This is my first like occurrence
with the. Set of crimes.
Set of crimes. So all I at this point, I think
all I had to do is is pay restitution.
I went to treatment. I remember I went to mental

(55:11):
health play. I think I went to Harding.
I don't think I went to Harding Hospital and at Harding I went,
I was or Talbot or one of them, one of those, one of the crazy
people places because I was one of them just about drugs.

(55:32):
And I was diverted to a place called Cardinal Recovery in
Galpolis, Ohio, which is very close to the farm that I was
talking about. Earlier with you.
So there was comfort knowing that I was close to what felt

(55:52):
like home and I went there and went through recovery and stayed
clean for quite some time, stayed clean for maybe a year.
And I think just to kind of timeframe it.
So we got High School graduate, go to Arizona State, start doing

(56:16):
party drugs, come home, start doing Downers opiates.
This would have been 2011, 2012 live that life of of different
jobs and stealing from people get my consequences that I think
that was for about four or maybefive years that I was doing

(56:36):
those things. I don't know.
I don't know, but I had all different kinds of jobs and all
different, just living my life, trying to use as much as I
could. So I want to say 2015 or 16 and
somewhere in there I went to California for six months for.
Treatment. No.
Just. To geographical leader type.

(56:57):
Deal whatever and twice actually, I went to California
for months and but let's not talk about that.
That's just going to, that's going to blur the lines of of
that was just kind of a hiatus. And so I'd say 2016 or 17 was
when it was life or death and itwas time to really start looking

(57:23):
at how I'm going to survive thisthing, you know, without going
to prison for a long time, without ending up in a, in a
loony bin, you know, 1 Flew Under the Cuckoo's Nest type
shit or die. Well, die.
And I got very, we're getting there.

(57:44):
So I got very close to, to dyingon a totally separate occasion,
but we'll get there. So I went to Gallopolis and
stayed clean for a year, year and a half.
How was your life during that time?
Clean. Yeah, that year and a half.

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It was interesting. I don't think I wanted to be
clean. I think that I wanted to stay
out of prison at this point in my life.
I want to be clean because I have goals, right?
And I and I like, I like helpingother people at this point.
You want to live? You want to Yeah.

(58:27):
Fucking. Live well and it's there's no
defense mechanism at this point.I've got all of my defenses and
my boundaries in place, right? So like they're like, I don't
need to be on edge about anything because I'm, I'm
crossing my T's and dot in my eyes and I'm continuing to pay

(58:47):
restitution. But we'll get to that at the
end, right? So we're in Galpolis Cardinal
recovery. There's a guy who I, but I
butted heads with quite often about religion.
And because I was raised by, by geoscientists, I was raised by
Earth people, I was never raisedby anyone or I was never really

(59:12):
presented with this idea of God or Jesus or Muhammad or, you
know, Buddha. Or no exposure.
No exposure to any, any God of my understanding, whether it's
large groups of people, religionor my own version of it or
whatever. Right.
So he and I butted heads a lot. I drank while I was there and I

(59:37):
got caught, but I didn't get thrown under the bus.
So he kind of saved my butt. He could have, I think reported
it and, and, but it was, I had some Svedka or something and it
was like one of those little bottles of Svedka and I, I
grabbed it on a trip to I, I think I took it from my parents.

(01:00:02):
They had a little bottle of it at and it was when I was given a
pass. Yeah, like a home pass, Yeah.
And so that year I was just kindof in limbo.
I was just kind of just learningabout recovery, not really
totally submitting to it, but learning about it.

(01:00:27):
And it was a good year. I ended up I ended up getting a
job, I went into transitional living after that first bit.
I ended up getting a job for a John Deere dealer.
So and I lied to get the job. So I didn't, Well, I should say

(01:00:53):
I omitted, I didn't lie. I just didn't tell them the
whole truth, which a lot of drugaddicts who have a history,
you're not going to tell them the entire.
Truth don't have a choice off the RIP.
Because you know, you're you're not going to get the job.
Yeah. So I went in there and I asked

(01:01:15):
for a job application and he gave me a he gave me a chance to
basically be this chainsaw salesman where I was selling
steel chainsaws. Interesting.
Stihl Steel. Yeah, OK.
I'm. Talking a lot about good shit,
yeah. The stealing the good shit,
Yeah. And Echo chainsaws.

(01:01:39):
So, and that's basically weed eaters, chainsaws, all that
stuff. And I ended up getting
Commission eventually. Well, the goal was to get
Commission, which get paid a decent amount of money and I can
start paying restitution and I can start chipping away at some
of the people that I'd harmed earlier in my addiction.
And I ended up getting promoted to an actual salesman of John

(01:02:00):
Deere tractors, which is a big deal.
You can make a stupid amount of money doing it.
They're expensive. Very expensive, yeah.
And in two years, I ended up becoming, I think I was the
second, if, if I remember right,I think I was #2 in the company
of 40, some salesman. So your life got better, my life

(01:02:23):
in that time. I was making close to $100,000 a
year. Wow.
And I wasn't spending it on restitution.
So I started drinking again. It was legal.
It wasn't part of my probation. I could still drink.
But I started drinking and that was the start of the tumble back

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down. And so I got a car.
I was still staying away from Columbus, knowing that I didn't
want to see people from Columbuswho knew I was on the news.
I was embarrassed. I, you know, so I stayed down
South and I, you know, I've got this awesome opportunity.

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I'm making new friends, basically starting a whole new
life where only the people that I strategically wanted in it, I
could surgically place them in it, right?
Still selfish motive. Still I'm not open.
It's still about you. It's all about.
You, It's all about me and I'm not being open.
All right? So, so basically for two years I

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was making close to 8080 or $100,000 a year, which is
enough. If I would have managed the
money right, it would have been enough to probably clear my
entire thing. And have some.
Leftover. But I was too worried about
getting laid. I was too worried about, I was
just too worried about starting that new life where I could

(01:03:56):
strategically and selfishly place people around me into so
that I am the center of things instead of others who are more
important than me. You know, that I could help be
the center, right? And, And so, yeah, two years,

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really good money and I became really, I learned so much.
I learned more about the world and about farming and about just
agriculture in general. It was an amazing experience.
It really was. But I started I think after I

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drank for about 6 months and hada couple benders where I was
going to bars and like getting real Schlitzed that I'm ran into
somebody who had something whitethat I sniffed up my nose.
And then that led to one thing led to another where I met
another guy and met another guy and met another guy.
And now I can get 30s, right? And I'm making enough money to

(01:05:00):
where I can pretty much support myself with it.
OK, so this is where things the thieving starts again, $80,000
wasn't enough. Once I started using 30s again,
well, it didn't even touch it. Well, I shouldn't say it didn't
touch it. It definitely helped right that
Commission check, which was oncea month.

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I was getting loaded, you know, 20 five, $3000 check cleared
after taxes is you're in good shape.
I'm in good shape. I'm I'm going to be good for a
couple weeks and. Fuck, that's eight years ago.
I mean, that's even more money than it is today.
Yeah. Well, no, no, that's not eight
years ago. Well. 20/17/2018.

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Time flies, doesn't it? It does 2018, so it'd have been
2019-2020. OK, OK.
Recovery 20/17/2018 OK job. And whatever happened in
between, I don't know. And so, so yeah, I, I don't even

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know where I left off. You might need to get that part
out. The 30s, you just started
picking up 30s, right? And met a guy, I met a guy I met
a guy started rolling around with people that probably
shouldn't have been. And so I ended up I had one

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dealer, one dude, and it was every day I had a company truck
so I could literally go say thatI was going to look at a trade,
like going to look at a big Massey Ferguson tractor so that
I could go pick up, you know, and I had pictures from looking

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at one from the week before. It would be like, hey, if he
asked, you know, he should go boss.
Yeah, I had, I had my it was CYAevery year.
I was good. Well, I had all kinds of cover
my ass, like in every sense of the word, all kinds of it.
And so, yeah, once that started,it took about a year before I

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started manipulating John Deere system.
This is where this is where I was smart.
So this is you, you, you thoughtthat I was smart for being an
opportunist when a contractor shows up to.
So this is this is actual, actual real intelligence.
This is not like, and now I'm saying this with all the
humility in the world, right? This is, I was smart when I did

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this as far as getting money fordrugs.
There was a system, it's called Equip and it's that's a
universal system. It's not just for John Deere.
It's a universal system that basically is for set buying and
selling retail. So I'm sure it's used in places

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kind of like Macy's or kind of like anything like that.
So anything that's retail Marshalls, you know what I mean?
So I learned the insurance and outs of equip more than a bunch
of farmers new. I'm come from Grandview Heights
High School and I've learned allabout computers, Apple, Apple

(01:08:27):
computers and you know, anythingwith an Intel processor really.
And so I knew more than my bosses and my boss's bosses and
my boss's bosses knew about thissystem and I made sure to know
more about it than they did. Now I got sloppy.

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That's what got me caught at this place.
And I'm not going to drop the name of the company, but we'll
just say that it was a John Deere.
It is a John Deere dealer. So basically, I would write off
thanks. So like, let's say I sell a

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$25,000 tractor, right? I'm getting 1% of that, which is
250 bucks. My boss is going to get 2% of
that. His boss's boss is going to get
3% of that. And that's just shit rolls
downhill to the peon salesman, right?
And I was kind of jaded because I knew I was doing way more work
than all of them. And so I'm going to find a way

(01:09:31):
to get use their margins againstthem because there's a ton of
margin on now mostly Chinese made stuff, which is mostly I'm
not calling John Deere a Chinesemade company because it's not,
it's an American company, but they use a lot of parts and

(01:09:51):
stuff from China and that's a fact.
But, and I'm sure you can go into the Donald Trump stuff and
John Deere and all that stuff and you, if you typed it into
Google, you could probably find all kinds of stuff about what
Donald Trump doesn't like John Deere.
Interesting. They're trying to move

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manufacturing to Mexico. They're all kinds of stuff.
But I could talk shit about JohnDeere all day long.
And you know your shit. Skimming off of them, how's.
That so this is basically how I did it.
So 1% of whatever I sold is whatI would get on my Commission
check. Now, if a customer came in and

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gave me, let's say the customer came in and let's say there's a
trade and the margins like 50% or something.
Or let's say that the margins ona big tractor is I need to reach
6% and my margin is at 13 percent or something.
And you're talking $50,000. What's 7% of $50,000?

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That's what I can play with. So what I would do is I would
write off certain things for that tractor, attachments, all
kinds of odds and ends. And I would, instead of giving
it to the customer, I found waysto within the company put those

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things in my pocket via cash somehow.
So that was where the salesman person to person, that's where
reality comes in with with a customer where it would be if
you, here's this attachment for $1000, right?
But you give me $400.00 cash. If you want to pay our company

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cash, then you can you, you can have the attachment.
I've already written it off, right?
So it's already in the price that they've already paid for.
They've already paid for this thing and they're going to give
me $400.00 or they're going to pay for it again, right?

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So that's kind of where I would smudge them, right?
They've already committed to thetractor, right?
They've already committed to it and now it's, well, you can get
this attachment which will boostmy margins, make my bosses super
happy if they don't pay cash. But if they do pay cash, they're
saving $600.00 and it goes in mypocket.
Yeah. Gotcha.

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So pretty slick, yeah, like really slick.
And I did that with all kinds ofstuff within the store that was
that had the brand on it. So like all kinds of stuff,
safes, parts, keys, wheel weights, just there's so many

(01:12:51):
different things and parts and part numbers that you can, you
can only imagine, you know, clothing.
I mean, it's such a huge companythat and not the company I work
for, the company that I was representing, right, You know,
being a salesman for. And I just used the company I
was working for as a means to get more money for drugs.

(01:13:12):
And I was just really smart about it.
So in reality, I don't know how much over the course of a year
and a half that I took, It was quite a bit.
Now where I got saved OK by all of this.

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I probably could have had the hammer thrown down on me for
maybe, maybe another $50,000 at least.
At least I'm up there. I'm up there.
Lots of money, right? Lots of tractors, lots of money.
I'm in a lot of trouble. But where I could have gotten
the hammer thrown down on me bigthat well, that's where I could
have. There was one deal that I made.

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It was about a safe. A John Deere safe is like $2000
safe. I wrote it off on a tractor.
And so I, after writing it off, I, the guy pays me $1000 cash
for it. Somehow he called my boss or

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knew my boss, or maybe my bossesknew that I was being a slippery
SOB and they set something up with some outside guy or
whatever. They, they may, you know, I'm
sure they did that at some point, more than once probably.
So he gave me cash for it, and Iwas charged from my company.

(01:14:41):
Maybe I was charged, criminally charged.
I knew, again that I wanted to get ahead of it.
So I threw a fit in front of my boss and was like, yeah, fuck
this place. You know, like, like, like,
you're all a bunch of, you know,sleazeball salesman.
You know, it's like, yeah, it's like, dude, you're a thief.
You know, like they're like, do whatever you need.

(01:15:03):
To do right. So yeah, like flipping the desk
and, you know, like slamming doors and stuff.
Oh, I didn't flip the desk, but I slammed drawers and like, took
my shit, right. It's probably a really bad act.
What they what they charge you with?
They charged me with, I think itwas just theft.

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It was just theft, but it was $1500.
Now here's the here's the real trick is that like we were
talking about like a Ndas and stuff earlier.
And so like the, the real trick is that with my invoices in the

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forms that I was using, right? Only the people that could, if I
got this right legally, only thepeople that could charge me with
a crime would be my company because I represented that
company, right? So even if I was taking let's
say $400.00 cash from a, a person or whatever, right, I'm

(01:16:08):
still within the bounds of that company, right?
So whatever exchange of money, that money is actually my
company's, right? It's not theirs at that point or
mine. It's my company.
So you couldn't get banged with like a bunch.
Of different I'm at this point I'm once I put that into the
company desk and then take it back out later, that's I'm

(01:16:31):
stealing from the company desk, right?
I'm not stealing from the person, I'm stealing from the
company and the form that we signed in order to.
So there's the legal kind of. Loophole type.
Loophole. I'm sure there's some grey area
in it, but at this point it's like it what I'm getting at.

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It would be double jeopardy. So I got saved by $1500.
One charge of $1500 saved my ass.
Yeah, it's a pretty good deal. Because now I only owe $1500 of
restitution instead of 50,000 ormore.
So I got covered quite a bit. I got, I got covered big time by

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their stupidity, let's be real. And so they would have if they
would have been patient instead of saying he stole from us,
they. Built a case.
It would it would have been he stole from us.
What else did he steal from us? Yeah, let's wait.
Let's take a look. Let's take a look instead of
just calling the police. Yeah, right.
But that's what they did. They're like he stole from us a

(01:17:35):
safe. A safe, right?
That. Yeah, they could have banged
your ass. They could have.
Gotten so psychologically they were a little hasty I bet too
quick and I I kind of knew that they would be because
shoplifters they did the same thing.

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You know somebody who's who's slippery in there.
They now one thing that I stayedaway from always they sold guns.
So one thing, if you really wantto start getting crazy legal
with it, I made sure not to write off guns.
So I made sure to separate what I was selling and what another

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department in our store was selling.
So now there would be parts to guns that I could potentially
write off, but never a gun a firearm, right?
So I could sell a scope, but I couldn't sell a firearm.
Does that make sense? And my boss knew that I was a
felony at this point. He didn't know how bad I I was

(01:18:41):
honest with him about being a felon.
And I think he looked into my background a little bit, but he
didn't look very hard because I was so good at selling John
Deere tractors. Right.
Yeah. At this point, it's like he's
bringing us in so much money. Yeah.
Why would we care? You're a good salesman, that's
all. I give a fuck.
About and and still $50,000 is adrop in the bucket compared to
the million. I'd say over 2 years I probably

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made him. Oh yeah, I'm sure.
Probably made him. 1,000,000, yeah.
A couple I made them over $1,000,000 I'd say in profit.
In actual profit, I'm not talking about.
It's crazy with Commission how that all works, how much money
the company gets versus the salesman.
Well, and if you want to, if youwant to accrue all of that with

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the relationships that I built, who still people who still go in
there from all around Ohio. I've I've continuing to make the
money right as we sit here, you know, so.
What comes of the theft charge? I'm paying restitution on it.
I got charged. I went to Galpolis jail for
three days and yeah, and I ended.

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Up felony theft. Yeah, felony theft.
'Cause it was over 1000 bucks. So here's where this is where
things get crazy. OK, so there's that, there's
that story. There's, there's the, there's.
There, there's the peak of my thievery is is for this company,

(01:20:11):
John Deere stuff is. So that's done.
I went into jail for three days.Worst jail ever.
First off, Galpolis County Jail.They just redid it because of
how bad it was. When I say it was bad, it was so
bad. It was all open cells.

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So it was there. You didn't have your own.
It was maybe each cell had a bedin it and it was maybe 2 by,
well, maybe not 2. Maybe the 4 by 8 was as big as
the cells were. It's like a prison cell, right?

(01:20:54):
No, no, No, 4 by 8, 4 by 8 is. Like.
It's a bed. It's a bed and a walkway.
There's nothing else in there. Oh no.
Toilet. No toilet.
OK. And then you'd have to go to
someone else's cell that had thetoilet to use the toilet.

(01:21:17):
Oh yeah, dude, what the fuck? Yeah, it was really bad.
Like really, really bad. But three or whatever days of
that. So we're all all Segway to where
I was before Galpolis. There was a few, there's a bunch

(01:21:40):
of guys that I was hanging out with, guys and girls that I was
hanging out with, partying with.And when there was one night, I
think this was this might have been be.
I don't know if it was before orafter the Galpolis stuff, but I,

(01:22:03):
I went to this guy's house. I was really down and out.
I think it was after the Galpolis stuff, if I remember
right. So I was really down and out Was
staying in his trailer with him.He had a dog and he basically he

(01:22:24):
drugged me so. And I don't know what happened.
So I know that's super duper scary, right?
So like you start talking about where my brain goes and it's
like, OK, I could have been sexually abused.
I could have been, but I don't think I was.
But I think that he may have been trying to kill me.
Yeah, so. Why?

(01:22:47):
Why do you think I? Think jealousy maybe?
Really. Yeah, I think so, 'cause I was
young, he's maybe 50s, sixty. Well, and I had also, I had
slept with this girl. He never told me about any of
this, but I had slept with some,with some girl, and I think I
mentioned it and I didn't know that he had a thing for her or

(01:23:09):
something, but he was very he, he was unstable, to say the
least, to say the least. So I remember driving with him
in his truck, got a thing of Crown Apple and he and Bush

(01:23:31):
Light and I remember going to, Iremember getting really, really
drunk, really, really drunk, right?
Go to a party. This is a backwoods southern
Ohio woods party, right? This is not a, this isn't a,
this isn't a house college party.

(01:23:52):
This is big boy party. This is like you're talking
bonfire, motorcycle, motorcycle guys that, you know, I don't
rush booze, right? Yeah, Like, I don't know,
affiliation and stuff like that.But there's, but there's like
affiliation people there, right?Big, big boy party stuff.
And I remember sitting by this fire drunk, super duper drunk,

(01:24:18):
like on the ground, sitting by this fire.
And I remember taking some trash.
So remember taking some trash from like the ground or
something and throwing it in thefire where there was other
trash, right? And I wasn't allowed to do that.
So I got hit over the head with a piece of firewood very hard.

(01:24:45):
By. By that guy, by the guy who I
think was trying to kill me, right?
So we had smoked meth. We had done, drank and smoked
meth. That's it.
And this is how I know that he drugged me.
So I remember running after that, so I didn't get knocked

(01:25:11):
out by this blow, but I got hit really hard and I got stunned
and I remember running from thisparty, ran through the woods.
As far as I remember, I ran through the woods for a long
time. And I don't know what got into
me or why, but I don't think, I don't know what.

(01:25:35):
I don't remember all the details, but I remember coming
up on a substation AAEP substation and I climbed the
fence of this substation for whatever reason and I started
touching stuff in this substation inside the the walls

(01:25:55):
of AAEP electrical substation for a town and something arced
on me. So if you look at my hand.
Oh yeah, show the camera. So you can kind of see it on my

(01:26:16):
arm too. Damn right, I thought that was a
burn. Well, it is a.
Burn. I mean, I guess technically.
It is. It is 100% a burn.
It's just from electricity. Jesus.
So the burn goes from my fingertips all the way my hand,

(01:26:37):
got it the worst, but goes from my fingertips all the way up the
right hand side of my body, across my chest, up into my ear.
Damn. OK, so I woke up in the hospital
where I've had third, second andthird degree burns.

(01:26:57):
Should have died from the electricity.
It's 4:40. Well, and yes, 440, so you're
talking. I mean your washer and dryer,
what, 220, right? Your washer and dryer is 220.
I think what I touched was 440, but in there there's 880.
So in there there's 880. And I don't know if the 880
arced on me or if the 440 did, but I'm not an electrician or I

(01:27:22):
don't even think electricians deal with that type of wattage
or. Power you're also wasted and.
I'm wasted, right, And running through the woods and just got
hit by over the head with a, with a basically a firewood
brick. And Jesus, Yeah.
So, so yeah, I woke up in the hospital.

(01:27:44):
They told me that I had a stupidamount of Xanax in me.
Never did Xanax. I had hated the drug.
So that guy who hit me over the head with the firewood put Xanax
in the crown apple or the beer that he gave me or whatever, but
he put a ton of it in there. And he was notorious for taking
a lot of Xanax. So I spoke to another friend of

(01:28:09):
mine who I'm still friends with now, not close friends, but I'm
still friends with him. And I spoke to him and he
basically said, yeah, he he definitely drugged you.
You're not the first person he'sdone that to.
He's like, I told you to stay away from him, you dumbass.
He literally like looked at me straight in the eyes like I am
you right now and is like, I told you you shouldn't have

(01:28:31):
fucking done that and you did anyway and you're in.
You ended up in the fucking hospital like.
Yeah. So yeah, so so he so yeah,
basically that's where that led I.
Mean how are you feeling at thispoint?
Like, I mean, you're, you're having a rough.

(01:28:55):
Well, rough run here. Well, the Xanax when it wore
off, my brain instantly went to OK, did I get raped instantly my
brain was like, did I get raped by these by these by a by a some
crazy backwoods biker gang? Did I get raped right?
Because that's instantly, it's just like, like I just felt

(01:29:15):
defiled, right? Like I didn't, I felt like I was
like my, all of my security had been ripped away.
And if you think about it, karma, right, you think about
karma and in general and the idea of it, I had ripped the
security away from two families in my act of addiction.

(01:29:38):
So at the time I wasn't, I was still thinking selfishly like,
you know, my my whole existence is I have no basically I'm I'm a
naked SOB that might have just been raped, got hit over the
head with a fire piece of firewood, ran through the woods,
jumped into a substation, got anarc flash on me and should have

(01:29:58):
died And I'm in the hospital for45 days at this point.
Golly. Whoa, yeah. 45 days and I had de
breeding, which basically means they scrub your skin every day,
they put you in A and they like it was rough.
So, yeah, but to the karma thing, that's kind of where my
mind, once I got into recovery, it's like, well, my security was

(01:30:25):
ripped from me and I ripped my security away from other people.
And, you know, it's kind of God's way of telling me, you
know, that, that, you know, thisis what happens when you RIP
security away from people, you know, So.
But that's neither here nor there at this point.
I'm in the hospital for 45 days,almost died and I learned my

(01:30:50):
lesson, you know, and, and I have a one year old at this
point. Really.
So I had to. He's not 4, but at this point
he's, he's going on five. He's I had a 1.
He was maybe he was only a few months old.
He was between zero and one years old.
He had been born not too long ago.

(01:31:12):
And so yeah. And between having a kid out of
wedlock, I know that that's having a kid with baby Mama, you
know, whatever you want to call it and getting burnt, picking up

(01:31:32):
more charges, already having charges from Franklin County.
It was basically that's when I had that coming to God moment
where it was and it what what's interesting is it wasn't I
wasn't frantic or in a panic mode when I had my coming to
God, It's time to heal moment. And it wasn't because I got

(01:31:55):
burnt and it wasn't even becauseof my son.
It was because I reached I literally reached that point.
Now there was might have been variables, but I reached that
point where I was just like, I just don't want to die, you
know, like life is worth not dying, you know, and we have

(01:32:16):
friends that have taken their lives outside of drugs.
I'm consciously taking their lives.
And so I made that realization, that epiphany moment that it was
life is better than death. And that was my coming to God

(01:32:36):
moment where life is better thandeath.
And I believe that. And once I reach that pinnacle
or that fulcrum, whatever you want to call it, where that
religious moment, epiphany, there's so many different words
you could explain for it, right,coming to light, whatever you
want to call. It spiritual awakening.
Spiritual awakening. Yeah, all of it.

(01:32:59):
Once that that fulcrum switched,then it was OK.
Now I need to start taking care of myself.
However I do that, I need to start paying not only
financially, but spiritually forthe things that I've done to
people. I obviously need to get into

(01:33:21):
some type of program, a, A and ameditative, some odd program,
some type of whatever. Now I got into Narcotics
Anonymous. That's the program that I still
work today. It's it's I go through the step
working guide and everything. But yeah, so that's kind of that

(01:33:44):
was my coming to God. It was.
It wasn't the trauma. It was life is better than
death. Yeah, you came close.
And it took thirty, well, it took 29 years for me to realize,
to make that realization. The goods, the bads, the uglies,
the beautifuls, the, the fats, the skinnies, the blacks, the

(01:34:05):
whites, right? It doesn't matter.
It's all good. And it took me 29 real 29 years
to realize that it's all good, you know?
And, but I didn't realize that before.
So some of the trauma might haveattributed to me getting there,
but I think mostly it was because I chose to live.

(01:34:31):
Where you were given the opportunity because we we hear
near death stories of overdoses.Yeah, specifically.
But you, like, really should have died.
I should have died. Yeah, I should have died.
Really should have. Something, something intervened
in my in the way that I see it, something intervened and I don't
know what that thing was, what it why or you know, whether I

(01:34:54):
I've chosen, you know, which is super grandiose ass thing to
say, but it's I felt like there was something more.
If I'm if I survived, you know that there's something more to
it. There's a.
Reason there's something more toit now from there to kind of AI

(01:35:16):
could go, we could do another podcast on the on the
second-half of this in my recovery part, right?
But that's my those are my war stories, you know, and as far as
the solution, I know unfortunately, people are more
drawn to the war stories, especially parents and people
who are on the outside and people who are watching a
podcast in general, people who are watching media, they want to

(01:35:38):
see the horrific things they want to hear about the horrific
shit. They want to hear about somebody
almost dying. They don't want to hear about
somebody grinding out step work like a fucking maniac, you know,
because there's no value there. I mean, yeah, it's just not
exciting. Yeah, it's not exciting, but
good. TV.
But it's not, it's not good TV. Yeah.

(01:35:59):
And you do I, I assume you work program, right?
And whether it's whether it has a designation or not doesn't
matter. But I know you work a program
and there's a conundrum when you're running a podcast and
you're trying to get viewers andyou're trying to get people to
watch. You know, people want to hear

(01:36:20):
about the hurt of the world, unfortunately.
And that goes for any social media.
You're exactly right. That goes for right at you, Mark
Zuckerberg. You're right.
It's like that's what they make money off.
Of anything. They make money off of people's
pain. You don't see good stuff on the
news You. Know they even the local.
News. The Daily.
News is just. They make money off of people's

(01:36:42):
pain, unfortunately. I'm not saying those people
don't want to help people 'causeI'm sure they do.
But the money is usually where there's negativity,
unfortunately, where there's positivity, which is in
recovery, step work, getting sponsorship, helping, helping

(01:37:03):
another person. In general, there's very little
money in that. It's it's self sacrificing in a
good way. I mean, they talk about the most
effective defense against the next drink is helping another
alcoholic. That is the most effective
defense. And spiritually, spiritually,
it's what keeps us whole. In my opinion, it's what keeps

(01:37:24):
us whole is helping another person.
Now what's cool about a podcast with in your guys case is that
my story could potentially help people that are viewing your
guys's podcast. Would be shocked.
Right. And if my story can hit
someone's heartstrings for them to go get a, you know, enter

(01:37:45):
into treatment themselves or to start asking questions about NA,
even if it's just that simple, even if they still using, still
picking up. Planting a seed.
If they right, even if they are just, you know, picking up a
book or whatever, it's worth it.But see unfortunate.

(01:38:06):
Facts about Well, tell us about what recovery's done for you and
and how it's changed the way youthink, obviously, but also your
life. So it's become something where I
have to fight. Well, I shouldn't say fight, but
I try to combat that thing in mybrain.
And in some other cases, settingboundaries with other people

(01:38:29):
about recovery being this game, I feel like some people can make
recovery into this type of game where it's like, I've got more
clean time or I've got this or I've got, you know, this is how
I trick my brain into not using,you know, and you know, and it's
just a psychological game and it's just simply not a game.

(01:38:50):
It's go help a person or get thefuck out of my life.
I like that. It's pretty much that simple for
me. And it's that's pretty brash
because for the newcomer, there's some people.
But I know with going on, you know, 3 1/2 years now that I
know, which isn't a lot of time in the scheme of things.

(01:39:11):
It's not a lot of time. And I acknowledge that, right?
But I was such a bad drug, drug addict.
Pardon that, that I have to be very, very hard laced and
disciplined in everything that Ido.

(01:39:33):
But when it comes to the newcomer, I understand where
their brain is at. So I can be a little bit more
patient with somebody who's got a year or less because I used to
be that person that had a year or less, you know.
But there are people who have more time than me.
And this is in Portsmouth, whichis a very huge recovery town.

(01:39:55):
It's there's a book, Dreamland by Sam Kinonas that's Oh yeah,
it's all about Portsmouth and the band, the bad doctors and
all this great book. It is a good book.
I've never read it all the way through, but it's famous in
Portsmouth. Yes, it's famous, I think in.
General yeah. And so, yeah, in Portsmouth
there is that it's become this recovery game.

(01:40:17):
And I think it has a lot to do with that book.
And I'm getting sick of it because it's less about helping
people and it's more about who can, who can have that front, as
if they're helping more people. They're.
Clicking and I don't want and I don't want to be drug into into
that mess by just being a part of it.
So what I've done it unfortunately is isolated a

(01:40:40):
little bit unhealthily, which iswhy this podcast is wonderful
for me because I'm, you know, two hours away and I get to see
people that I used to golf with in high school, friends, you
know, and I can get back in touch with people who I used to
use with who are now clean, who I used to use with, who are now

(01:41:00):
starting to give Narcotics Anonymous or a a or just
recovery in general, getting clean in some cases sober in
general. I know that's a poo poo thing in
any but whatever, but it's cool to see and it's tentacles spread

(01:41:21):
further than what people realizeand I think that that's that's
beautiful so. Damn, dude, I wow, you have a,
you have a wild story and you can help a lot of people with
it. Like seriously, it's and, and,
and we always talk about, you know, we're not unique, right?

(01:41:42):
Like I'm not different than you.You're not different than me.
I'm not different than Aaron. He's not different than me.
We're all we all the same disease, but you have the
ability to help people with thatshit you just shared and how you
got better. What do you have to do?
You know what I mean? Like it's, it's really cool and
you can save lives actually. Well, thank you.

(01:42:09):
I think for people with time at this point, my big thing, my big
advice would be to squash ego asbest you can.
And I know in this podcast I'm supposed to share my war story
and stuff like that. So it's kind of hard for their
when you're telling your story for there not to be ego within
it. But at this point, when I'm

(01:42:32):
actually attending a meeting or if I'm really talking to someone
who is in recovery on a real life note, I try to listen more
than I speak. Because if I'm listening more
than I'm speaking, it means thatI actually give a shit.
You know, it doesn't mean that I'm trying to influence, you

(01:42:54):
know, like some, somebody on social media, You know, I'm not
trying to sway a person this wayor that way, but I'm, I am
trying to learn about a person. And if there's a connection
that's strong enough, then you can, it can become this game of
Pong where it's how do we help another person?

(01:43:15):
How do we help each other? How do we get to this place
where you know you can eventually scale out and really
help a a very large amount of people?
All money aside, just brains. That's it.
Because you can't put a value onsomebody's brain.

(01:43:37):
Recovery is about. That's the whole fucking point.
Yep, it's makes me so happy to hear you say that like because I
know that you were around some guys that knew what the fuck
they were. I can tell.
Oh yeah, I can tell you're around guys that knew what they
were doing. Like when you got sober.
Like it's it's it's obvious you have wisdom.

(01:44:00):
You listened, It's clear. So thanks for driving out here
and. 2 hour trip. Man and taking the time to share
man because it's a lot to recallthat in some cases.
It's more about the solution than it is about the war story,
I'll reiterate. Them.

(01:44:20):
Yep. Yeah, but the war story sells
books. And war stories are cool but a
hope shop that's. Yeah, a Hope shop?
No. Seriously.
I mean, the fact that you're sitting here after even, fuck
the drugs, the electricity thing.
Yeah. Like fuck all the drugs, all the
other, like you're alive, you know what I mean?

(01:44:41):
And you get to share that. So thank you, seriously.
Thank you. Thank you, Aaron.
Appreciate you, Lewis, you. Got it, brother.
Friends till the end, brother. Get the back 9.
Yeah, we're going to have to go out and have to call.
I hit the ball. We're going to have to call.
We're going to have to call highschool golf coach and we'll go.
We'll go. Hit some, I've seen him.

(01:45:03):
Go hit some balls. Have you seen him?
Yeah, I I speak at the high school and I'll pop in
occasionally. We'll see, Mr. Richards.
And well. I as you can tell throughout
this throughout this, I don't like, I don't like shouting out
any names that's. OK.
I'll shut them out. Well, thanks buddy.

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