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September 11, 2025 17 mins

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has shattered America's political landscape, exposing the darkest corners of our increasingly divided society. At just 31 years old, Kirk—founder of Turning Point USA and a passionate advocate for conservative values—was silenced forever while doing what he loved most: engaging with young people on college campuses and encouraging open dialogue across political divides.

What made Kirk unique in today's polarized environment was his consistent invitation for disagreement. Under his signature "Prove Me Wrong" tent, he welcomed challenging conversations rather than avoiding them. He embodied the increasingly rare belief that political differences should be resolved through reasoned debate rather than intimidation or violence. This commitment to civil discourse made him both influential and, tragically, a target in a culture where some have abandoned conversation in favor of confrontation.

The timing of this tragedy, occurring just before the anniversary of 9/11, creates a haunting parallel. While Americans once united across political lines after the terrorist attacks, today we witness some celebrating the death of a fellow citizen simply because they disagreed with his politics. This dehumanization of political opponents represents perhaps the greatest threat to American democracy—greater than any policy disagreement could ever be. When we lose the ability to see the humanity in those with whom we disagree, we lose the foundation upon which democratic society functions. Kirk's legacy challenges us all to reject political violence, recommit to respectful dialogue, and remember that behind every political position stands a human being worthy of dignity and respect. Will you help rebuild our capacity for civil discourse by starting a conversation today?

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What you just said is one of the most insanely
idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling,incoherent response were you
even close to anything thatcould be considered a rational
thought.
Everyone in this room is nowdumber for having listened to.

(00:22):
It is now dumber for havinglistened to it.
You don't know what that oughtto is, mr Trash.
I'd show you, but I'm too old,I'm too tired, I'm too fucking
blind.
If I were the man I was fiveyears ago, I'd make a
flamethrower to this place.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Do you understand the words that are coming out of my
mouth?
You want answers.
I think I'm entitled.
You want answers.
I want the truth.
You can't handle the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I go around universities and have
conversations and because that'swhat is so important to our
country to find ourdisagreements respectfully is
when people stop talking aboutthe violence happening.
I've never seen someone do thisWell, it's a growing trend
because people like me arefacing violence, assault.

(01:22):
Who, the left?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
The left yes, the campus Antifa.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I've been stormed out of restaurants.
I've been assaulted publicly,multiple death threats Okay.
So what's your goal in all this?
There's more people that agreewith me than some people would
actually believe, and they comeout of the woodwork.
When I do stuff like this, werecord all of it so that we put
it on the internet so people cansee these ideas collide.
When people stop talking,that's when you get violence.
That's when civil war happens,because you start to think the

(01:47):
other side is so evil and theylose their humanity the truth
shall always set you free.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is tim.
Let's get off my lawn the madramblings of a gen xer.
Uh, somber day, uh, afteryesterday's events and that is
going to be september 10th the,the murder, the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, and for basicallyjust doing what he did best,
which was engage in conversationwith the youth, to have a

(02:19):
thought, to have free speech, tohave the ability to articulate
an opinion, instead of justyelling obscenities or relying
on violence, like parts of theliberal left really basically
just does all the time.
That is the quintessentialargument of the left.
You have a succinct point, youhave a rationale, you have a
reasoning that they cannottolerate or deal with because it

(02:41):
is based in fact, and theirfirst response is fuck you.
And then violence.
There there is something verywrong with and I'm not going to
paint with a broad brush butthere is something very wrong
with a large portion of the leftbecause of the fact that they

(03:01):
literally have no clue.
They have no idea how toarticulate a point, or even to
how to have a point or to havean argument or to have an
opinion.
Their opinions are based inemotion and a lot of times,
being based in emotion is.
You don't see the impact of theyouth who are so impressionable

(03:28):
.
And that's why, with TurningPoint, usa that Charlie started
when he was 18, he went on thesecollege campuses and he
provoked thought, and I knowthat's something you're not
supposed to do.
When colleges have a thought,especially in the liberal left
mind, you're not supposed tohave a thought, because having
the thought is dangerous.
Having your own mind isdangerous.
Not being part of thecollective, not being part of
the Borg, is dangerous.

(03:49):
Free speech is dangerous.
It needs to in their mind.
It needs to be silenced.
And that is the scary part ofwhat happened to Charlie.
He was silenced for having freespeech.
He was silenced for having anopinion.
He was silenced for having anopinion.
He was silenced because hewanted to start a conversation.

(04:09):
You take a look at the tentthat he's always under and says
prove me wrong.
He never sat there and shiedaway from answering a question.
He never sat there and said no,I am not going to talk to you.
He told you if you had adifference of opinion, come up
to the mic, tell me what yourdifference of opinion is and

(04:30):
prove me wrong.
And that's what the left can'ttolerate.
I should say a segment of theleft cannot tolerate.
They cannot tolerate thethought that somebody is out
there trying to reach people andtrying to have people
understand.
Listen, I am not the bad guy, Iam not the enemy.
I am here to provoke aconversation, not violence.

(04:55):
There are so many people on theleft that are certain pundits,
that knew Charlie, thatunderstood what he was trying to
do.
If you take a look at theinterview he did with Bill Maher
, it was almost like the factthat Bill Maher was you know,
was you know cause, on a show.
I guess he drinks and smokespot.

(05:15):
I've never seen the Bill Mahershow, I've just seen clips, you
know, and he's telling Charlieyou know you're, you know you're
, you're a devout Christian.
So do you mind if I and youdon't smoke and don't drink and
he goes?
Do you mind if I do, he goes, Idon't care, because that's you
know, you do what you want to do.
I'm not here to stop you fromdoing what you want to do.
I am just here to tell you, youknow, maybe your career would

(05:38):
be better, maybe things wouldhave gone differently, maybe
maybe you would even be moresuccessful if you didn't smoke
all the time if you didn't drink, it was an open and honest
conversation.
But that's something we're notallowed to have.
We're not allowed to have anopen and honest conversation

(05:59):
because of the fact that, if youdo, you are a threat to
segments of the left.
There is so much disgust andvileness out there right now
that I don't, I don't, I don'tknow what else to do.
I don't know what else to saythat these people are are
cheering the death of, of ahusband, of a father, of a son,

(06:20):
like his life meant less becauseof the fact that he was a
conservative.
And I love it, because you, you, you go on CNN, you go on CMB,
msnbc.
The first thing they talk aboutis he was a right wing
conservative.
No, he's a conservative.
There's nothing right wingabout him.
He is a conservative.

(06:41):
He'll tell you.
He's a conservative.
And his whole organization wasfounded back during the tea
party era, and it was one ofthose times that you sat there
and you looked at what is goingon and he had a voice.
He dropped out of collegebecause he wanted to have a
voice.
He wanted to project his nothis opinion, but the idea and

(07:03):
the ideology of sitting down andhaving a political conversation
, and these are the things thatthe left can't tolerate.
They literally cannot toleratethese things.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Ding dong the witch is dead.
To everyone saying that it wassuch a senseless, violent act, I
want you to remind yourselfthat it was God's plan.
I mean, really, it was actuallyhis fault, because he should
have been wearing a bulletproofneck brace or something.
I cannot believe he walked outthe house without it.
I mean, really, you have to beaware of what you're wearing.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And, of course, this woman is from East Carolina.
Very, you can tell she's veryliberal.
She has, she has that that redhair.
She has the multiple earrings.
She is the prototypicalstereotypical.
Look it up in Deb Deb'sPrototypical stereotypical.
Look it up in Webster'sdictionary of crackpot liberal.
She is a photo of that.

(08:01):
But if something like this wouldhappen to her family member,
something like this happened tosomeone that she knew, she would
be crushed.
We would have to feel sympathy,we would have to feel empathy.
Well, fuck you, because of thefact that you literally the this

(08:22):
, this person literally tooksomeone away at 31 years old who
all they wanted to do wasprovoke and I shouldn't even use
the word provoke, but I shouldrephrase that to invoke
conversation instead of havingdifferences with political
violence.
Sitting down and talking to oneanother.
Sitting down and having aconversation that allows
everyone to give their point.

(08:44):
And I love these round tablesyou sometimes watch with the
liberal left and if they'regoing badly for them, they
immediately just revert tocursing and everything is racism
when you can attack aconversation with facts, with
data, with history, like charliedid.

(09:05):
That was a threat to them and Iit, it's, it's.
It's a scary thought that,potentially, that these nuts
literally awoken a sleepinggiant.
Because there is so much anger,there's so much hatred right

(09:25):
now towards the left by certainconservative groups and certain
people that are Republicans thatyou know, you have a feeling
that something may happen.
I'm not saying it will, but I'mjust saying you, you, you know
what.
Sometimes they say theexpression over and over again
you don't go out into the woodsand poke a bear with a stick,

(09:46):
because bad things will happen.
And I think conservatives, Ithink Republicans are finally
seeing listen.
We can no longer sit here andwe can no longer sit here
quietly and allow these thingsto happen and allow these morons
to run amok, because that'swhat they're doing.

(10:10):
They don't understand and theycan't comprehend the thought
that someone has a differentpolitical opinion, that they
have, and they are right.
There are 47 genders.
You can be a dog, you could bea furry.
You can want to have socialism.

(10:32):
Well, back in the day when youthought there was more than one
janitor that's called a mentalillness Back in the day when you
allowed someone to be a furry,they didn't allow it.
They figured you know what?
This person's got something somentally deficient in their
brain that they think they're adog.

(10:58):
You take a look at what happenedon that train in North Carolina
.
That poor woman escaped awar-torn Ukraine to get stabbed
by a crazy man on a train whowas arrested 14 separate times
and the mayor applauded thepress for burying the story for
weeks because it doesn't fit thenarrative.
It's a black man murdering ayoung white woman.

(11:19):
That doesn't fit the narrative.
If this was reversed, you knowthat this would be front page
news.
There would be riots.
There's not going to be aGeorge Floyd moment for this
poor woman Because the leftdoesn't care, because of her
skin color, because it doesn'tfit their narrative.

(11:41):
You could say anything you wantabout what happened to George
Floyd.
You can agree with it, you candisagree with it, but the
officer involved was taught atechnique by the police
department which he employed.
The office, the autopsy, showsthat George Floyd did not die

(12:04):
from having a knee on his neck.
He basically died partiallybecause of a heart attack and a
drug overdose.
It had nothing to do with whatwas going on at that point in
time and no one wants to talkabout the fact that.
What was George Floyd doingbeforehand?
And Charlie Kirk would pointthese things out.
So when you're committing acrime, we're not allowed to

(12:26):
detain you because of the colorof your skin.
That's what the left thinks,but if it happens to them, then
all hell breaks loose.
Then there's something brokenwith the system.
The system is broken when wecan't have a conversation.
The system is broken when wecan't sit down and discuss

(12:47):
things reasonably and rationally.
And that's what happens withsegments of the left.
They don't want to hear that.
They just want to hear theiropinion is the right opinion.
No other opinion counts.
And fuck you if you disagreewith me, because I'm going to
resort to profanity and violence.

(13:10):
It's amazing that this happeneda day before 9-11.
Because 9-11 is again wasradical Islamist trying to
silence free speech, trying tosilence America, and we came
together as a nation on that day.
We came together as a nationfor years after that day and we

(13:33):
had an understanding that ourway of life is under, was under
attack.
I've told this.
I've never fully told the storyand I'm never going to fully
tell the story, but I was.
I was at ground zero momentsafter the buildings collapsed.
I was there for working for twodays because we were up on we.

(13:54):
We were back then I think nowit's William and Pearl but we
were staying in an apartmentaround when this happened and we
felt the need to go and getinvolved.
We felt the need that we shouldgo and help and look for
survivors, even though you couldtell it was a futile task.
But right now we, we, we take alook at, but right now we take
a look at this society and Itake a look at the video on the

(14:17):
train.
Everyone is cowering.
No one is looking about whathappened, even after the
stabbing.
People are looking away, peopleare looking at their phones and
this poor woman is dying on thetrain.
She died like something, likewhat?
15 seconds later, she is dyingon the train and no one's there
to help her, nobody's there tocomfort her till the end.

(14:40):
And Charlie Kirk, it's the sameway.
There is video out there that aman shot of a dark I mean a
person in the dark colors a whowas running out of the building
where the shots were fired, andhe even says, as he's filming
the guy there goes the guy.
Why not get involved?

(15:02):
Put down your phone and goafter the person?
You don't have to be a hero,you don't have to be a Daniel
Penny.
But you know what you need todo.
Maybe we need to put down ourphones and start helping people
and I know, I know that's acrazy thought process, but we
need to help people.
You need to help people, youneed to have a conversation, you

(15:25):
need to be involved and that'swhat Charlie Kirk did and
hopefully his work at turningpoint USA continues.
I love when Lil was like why washe on a random campus on a
Wednesday?
Because that's what he did,that's where he took his message
to, that's where he went outand talked to the youth of
America.
That's where he invokedconversation was on these

(15:48):
campuses.
This was his love, this was hisbrainchild, this was his life
outside of his family and it wastaken away from him.
It was taken away from us, itwas taken away from his entire
family, it was taken away from anation and you have these
liberal fucking nut jobs who arecelebrating this.

(16:11):
It's beyond disgusting and allwe can do is pray for this
nation.
All we can do is pray forCharlie Kirk, pray for his
family, pray for all of hisloved ones, pray for his
children who will never seetheir father again because of
the fact that he was murderedfor having a different opinion
and trying to invoke the youthand trying to invoke people to

(16:35):
come up and have a conversationand prove him wrong.
Well, he's never going to beproven wrong again, because the
right can never let this go.
This has to be a watershedmoment.
This has to be a rallying crythat this country is broken on
one side and needs to be fixedand needs to be healed.
We've said it always, and thisis for Charlie the truth shall

(17:00):
always set you free.
This is Tim.
Let's get off my lawn the madramblings of a Gen Xer and I'm
out of here, thank you.
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