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October 21, 2025 25 mins

Ever hear a crowd chant against a problem that doesn’t exist? We wade into a “No Kings Day” rally where the signs are loud, the claims are louder, and the facts are on mute. From monarchy talk in a republic to fast-and-loose definitions of fascism, we press on specifics, test assumptions, and map the rhetorical detours people take when passion outruns proof. It’s not just about scoring points; it’s about showing how questions, timelines, and definitions turn noise into something you can think with.

Then we flip the flashlight toward Gen X Halloween legends, the ones parents used to whisper at the door. Turns out a few weren’t just late-night scares. Poisoned candy? A 1974 cyanide murder warped an entire October. The babysitter with the calls coming from inside the house? A 1950 case echoes through the trope. Real corpses as props on set, Detroit’s Devil’s Night fires lighting up the sky, and a Teddy Ruxpin that kept talking after the batteries were pulled—each story proves how a single hard fact can seed decades of folklore.

Across protests and ghost stories, the theme is the same: stories guide behavior, for better and worse. Outrage can organize. Myths can protect. But both go wrong when they drift from evidence. We keep the tone sharp, the questions pointed, and the payoffs real, so you walk away with a clearer lens—on politics that confuse and legends that still haunt. If you’re ready for a wild swing from street interviews to spooky receipts, hit play and bring your curiosity.

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SPEAKER_12 (00:01):
What you just said is one of the most insanely
idiotic things I've ever heard.
At no point in your rambling,incoherent response were you
even close to anything thatcould be considered irrational
fun.
Everyone in this room is nowdumb for having listened to it.

SPEAKER_11 (00:28):
You don't know when I'm on this Mr.
Press.
I told you, but I'm too old,Susan.
I'm too tired.
I'm too fucking blazed.
If I were the man I was fiveyears ago, I'd take a fine throw
to this place.

SPEAKER_13 (00:46):
Do you understand the words that are coming out of
my mouth?

SPEAKER_16 (00:53):
You want answers?
I think I'm entitled.
You want answers.
I brought the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
We've said it once, we've saidit before, we've said it a
million times the truth.
So pretty just gonna spell up mylaw on the mad ramblers of a Gen
X, but we want to talk about NoKings Day!

SPEAKER_17 (01:09):
Thank God they had it because I checked, and
there's still no kings.
We also want to get into alittle bit Gen X Halloween
legends, which kinda areactually true.
Interesting.
I know that's interesting to saythe least.
But let's talk about No Kings.
It was it was such a day ofprotest, it was such a day of of

(01:32):
community and togetherness,where nearly seven million
people worldwide is the estimatethat came together to support no
kings.
First of all, seven millionpeople worldwide, that's not a
lot.
How many people are in theworld?
And seven million peopleworldwide came together.

(01:54):
I love the left, and I love theidiocy of the left.
I love their thought process.
We don't want any kings, we'rehaving no kings whatsoever.
Well, good, because we don'thave kings.
There's a fundamental problemwith your with your no-king
process because we don't haveany.
We don't have a king, we haven'thad a king here since we got rid

(02:15):
of King George.
But these morons are outprotesting.
But what you know, and the worstpart is we had so we had so much
video of it.
What the fuck are they actuallyprotesting?
And listening to them tell youwhat they're protesting is even
crazier than the fact thatthey're protesting no kings

(02:35):
because none of these idiotshave any clue or idea what the
fudge they're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 (02:42):
What has President Trump done to make him a
monarch?

SPEAKER_07 (02:46):
Uh he started to take control and do illegal
things and that are not withinhis uh power.
So that's pretty much what makesa person a monarch.
They take complete control eventhough they shouldn't have it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:58):
What illegal things has he done?

SPEAKER_07 (03:02):
Come here.
What illegal things?
Everything that he has doneexcept for um get elected.
Every single thing since he'sgotten into office.

SPEAKER_04 (03:14):
So deporting illegal immigrants?

SPEAKER_17 (03:16):
So I I had to stop the clip for a minute.
So he's a king, he's themonarch, but he got elected.

SPEAKER_04 (03:25):
Is that illegal?

SPEAKER_07 (03:27):
Deporting illegal immigrants if they're here
peacefully, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
If they're illegally here though, if they came
illegally?

SPEAKER_07 (03:35):
If he can't they came here illegally?
I believe we're a country thatstands for Lady Liberty.
It said, give me your tired,your um, give me everybody.

SPEAKER_17 (03:45):
I love it.
Uh I'm I'm from Lady Liberty,and they say these things like
give me your tired, um, and likeother stuff.
So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna gowith that.

SPEAKER_07 (03:57):
Can possibly bring into the United States, and it
doesn't say ship them back out.
It says welcome.

SPEAKER_04 (04:04):
Awesome.
Any other issues, any issues inparticular that you really
disagree with Trump on?

SPEAKER_07 (04:09):
No, because you're just baiting me.
Have a nice day.

SPEAKER_17 (04:11):
I love it because these always these people always
you're just baiting me.
No, we're asking questions thatyou have a philosophical
difference against, but youcan't answer the questions
because if you did, you wouldmake yourself even look more
stupid.
Now, I like I said, I gotta playa bunch of these clips because I
love this guy.
This this is this this guy, thisis another guy.

(04:32):
This is a guy in Florida fromone of these No Kings protests.
You have to listen to the tothis liberal logic.

SPEAKER_02 (04:39):
Your ID is racist, yeah.
Like, should you need an ID tovote?
No, I don't think so.
No.
Is it racist that CVS asked youfor an ID to buy Sudafed?

SPEAKER_03 (04:47):
Well, I think that there are certain people that
should not be allowed to buySudafed, so I think it's a good
idea.

SPEAKER_02 (04:51):
So it's more important that you use an ID to
buy Sudafed, but not to vote forthe person that runs this
country.

SPEAKER_03 (04:59):
I'm not exactly sure.

SPEAKER_17 (05:02):
I I love it.
I'm not exactly sure about thatbecause uh this guy is dressed
up as a playing card and he's aking, but he's not exactly sure
what what what what we should dowith that because you're you're
making logical sense.
These are people that havethese, and I love it, these are
all majority of these people areall white baby boomers that have

(05:24):
nothing else to do besidesprotest a person that's actually
trying to protect their socialsecurity, trying to protect
their Medicaid, trying toprotect their Medicare, trying
to keep it solvent.
But that's okay.
But here is a younger protesterat the Philadelphia protest.
What brings you out here?

SPEAKER_05 (05:44):
Rising fascism, lack of health care, billions being
poured into uh ice without anyaccountability.
175 U.S.
citizens have been arrested sofar.

SPEAKER_17 (05:59):
Uh uh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
A whole hundred and seventy-fiveU.S.
citizens have been arrested?
That's fucking that number thatnumber's huge.

SPEAKER_05 (06:06):
For you, there's much more.

SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
Can I ask you one more question?
What is fascism?

SPEAKER_05 (06:13):
Well, if you look historically, when a government
no longer follows the will ofthe people, that is a large part
of fascism.

SPEAKER_17 (06:22):
I would direct you so some of the follow the don't
follow the will of the people,but he was elected and won the
popular vote, Trump did.

SPEAKER_05 (06:31):
Really good literature on the topic.

SPEAKER_04 (06:34):
Can you define it?

SPEAKER_17 (06:36):
Trump won the popular vote.
I mean, yeah, and I love itbecause it's like, and then she
I love it because everyone'sresponse is I'm just gonna walk
away.
Because you're trying to baitme.
No, we're trying to have aconversation with you, but you
are so fucking stupid, you haveno clue what you're talking
about.
Now, I love this guy.
This this is a guy.
We're gonna play this wholeone-minute clip.
This is another protester overin Philadelphia.

(06:58):
Philadelphia, of course, is thehotbed of um uh uh of intellect.
There's a glow coming fromPhiladelphia, and it's not
coming from the zombies inKensington.
It's coming from these, these,these liberal intellects that
just just they just blow yourmind with their logic.

SPEAKER_13 (07:17):
What is the main reason you're out here today?
What do you say?
I feel like the current Trumpadministration, administration
that we are paying taxes for,that our taxes are not going in
the direction that our taxesshould be used for, such as
health care, home care forelderly people, other such

(07:37):
things as like helpful ideasthat should be used, our
taxpayer dollars should not beused for creating wars.
Or now Trump what about the thethe wars that that Trump has
stopped?
Uh, which one was that?
Well, he stopped the war inPalestine, right?

(07:58):
No, he did not.
That has been going on formillions of years, and multiple
entities have been involved.

SPEAKER_17 (08:03):
That's just the last thing you can Of course, these
wars have been going on formillions of years.
Luckily, it wasn't one billionyears.
Now wait a minute, it's calledin a US game.
I thought you were a US citizen.
That you were upset.

(08:25):
You are a U.S.
citizen, so in a US game, whywere you referring to a game in
US almost in the third person?
Oh, because you're protesting,you have no clue what you're
protesting about, and you're nota U.S.
citizen.

SPEAKER_13 (08:40):
Trump did not at all make any peace deals with
anyone.
All Trump has done is make moneyfor himself, his family, and his
grift.

SPEAKER_17 (08:55):
It sounds pretty bad, but again, there's no
explanation.
There's I have to walk away fromyou because of the fact that
you're gonna ask me a questionto make sense.
And we can't have that.
We have another protester thatwe have to get.
We have another new King'sprotest.
I love that.
Like I said, I woke up againnow, woke up early at 6 o'clock
this morning.

(09:16):
It is now 7 43 a.m.
And there's still no Kingsmission accomplished.

SPEAKER_04 (09:23):
How is Trump unprepared to handle the
problems that the country has?

SPEAKER_17 (09:26):
And do you think like Joe Biden or somebody else
was more prepared or well in JoeBiden's specific case, I will
say that he has 40 years ofhistory serving his country,
most of which he's got 40 yearsof history ripping off his
fucking country, which we havedetailed information about how
he profited from being vicepresident and profited and his
family profit.

(09:47):
Listen, when you set up 11 LLCsunder a family to move money
around, and there is nofunctioning product or there's
no service rendered, and the LLCis just to move money, it's
called money laundering.

SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
Did he allow 10.8 million illegal immigrants into
the country, though?

SPEAKER_15 (10:10):
Um, I don't know.
That may be true, that may notbe true, but he I but but again,
I am part of the liberal left.

SPEAKER_17 (10:17):
I don't need logic, I don't need to have
information, I don't need tohave any of this logic or
information validated, I justneed passion.
Is even if that were true, no,he was the first president to

(10:39):
allow it to happen.

SPEAKER_15 (10:40):
True.
Is that enough to make fiftyRepublican senators bow down in
front of someone who wants tosimply uh gather up power to do
more ill?
It it doesn't make sense.
If that was the biggest problemwe had in this country, we'd be

(11:00):
in good shape.
I don't think that's the biggestproblem.
I don't even think that's in thetop ten.

SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Are you crazy?
Or just plain stupid.

SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Stupid is stupid does mis blue.

SPEAKER_17 (11:11):
Oh, and again, the majority of these people are
baby boomers.
Evidently, they they are babyboomers or empty nesters, they
have no fucking clue what to dowith their life, so we're just
gonna go out and protestfascism.
Ugh, there's we can't definefascism, we can't define
anything that we're talkingabout, but you know what?
We're against it.

SPEAKER_06 (11:31):
Why are you supporting people who are taking
away voting rights who aregerrymandering?
Charlie Kirk wanted that, right?

SPEAKER_18 (11:38):
Taking away people's voting rights?
Like Charlie Kirk, all he didwas sign people up to vote.
He gave so many young people theright to vote.

SPEAKER_06 (11:46):
Young white people, that's right.
So young white people, right?

SPEAKER_18 (11:50):
What are you talking about?
That's not true at all.
Him and Candace Owens were verytight.
I don't I I don't think at theend they were.

SPEAKER_17 (11:56):
I'm gonna give you a hint.
Candace Owens is black.
I'm just throwing that outthere.
I'm not sure she knows this.
I'm I'm just throwing this outthere.

SPEAKER_18 (12:07):
But I'm like, Candace is one of his closest
friends.
What are you talking about?
Like they were trying to getyoung black men and women signed
up to vote.
That's that's just not true.
Don't think so.

SPEAKER_17 (12:16):
So you're just unawares?
I don't think so.
Because I have no proof, I haveno logic, but I don't think
that's true.

SPEAKER_18 (12:24):
Like, do you know who Candace Owens is?
Yes.
They have Blexit, that's part ofTP USA.
Blexit is all about having youngblack people part of the
conservative movement.
So that totally defeats what youjust said.

SPEAKER_16 (12:39):
No?
Are you not entertained?
Are you not entertained?

SPEAKER_17 (12:43):
Oh, I I uh Maximus Desmusperidius.
I know that I'm entertained.
I can play these all day long,but I want to just do one more
because I want to get into theother topic that I had today
that I want to talk about.
Uh that's of course is gonna beGen X Halloween legends that are
actually true.
And some of these I remember,and some of these you you kind
of freak out about.
But here we go.

(13:04):
We got one more time.
I think we're I think this timewe're in in the excuse me, in
the No Kings protest in Florida.

SPEAKER_08 (13:10):
We're out here at the No Kings protest and we're
asking all important questions.
Such as if Trump was elected,how exactly is he a king?
Um, because he is trying to takecontrol of everything.

SPEAKER_13 (13:24):
Like What the hell are we supposed to do, you
moron?

SPEAKER_08 (13:28):
The his checks and balances are not working.

SPEAKER_17 (13:32):
So he is just trying to like the checks and balances
like aren't working.
And uh when I went to the bankand I checked my balance, it was
zero.
So that wasn't working.

SPEAKER_08 (13:48):
Um I I feel like a lot of amendments have been kind
of overcome.

SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
What is it?

SPEAKER_08 (14:00):
Like in a way that they're not supposed to be which
amendment specifically?
Um It's like the FirstAmendment.

SPEAKER_17 (14:09):
Well, what's the first amendment?
Uh it's like checks andbalances.

SPEAKER_14 (14:15):
Take away freedom of protesting.
I would say that it's becauseeven though he was elected, I
agree, you know, due process.
He got what he, you know, he gotelected fairly, sure.
But he's doing things that makehim a king.
Like he's taking away, you know,civil rights.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
I got news for you, pal.
You ain't leaving but two thingsright now.
Jack and shit.
Jack left town.

SPEAKER_07 (14:37):
I don't particularly think he's a king.

SPEAKER_17 (14:43):
Now, this is a woman that is wearing a fuck Trump the
King shirt, but she doesn'tthink he's a king.

SPEAKER_07 (14:48):
People are doing that.

SPEAKER_04 (14:50):
Oh actively switching levers of power and
versus appropriations.

SPEAKER_07 (14:54):
And what does that mean?
Uh things such as uh now.

SPEAKER_17 (14:59):
This is a guy wearing stilts dressed as Donald
Trump, so you know he's someonethat we need to listen to.
I have trouble coming up withwords because of the fact that I
can't think of anything.
Hmm.

unknown (15:19):
Remain calm.
Always calm.

SPEAKER_17 (15:23):
These are the these are the future leaders, some of
these people, because some ofthese are young people.
These are the future leaders andthe future leaders of idiocy.
It's amazing that they protest,they have the they have this
passion, but the problem is withtheir passion becomes the fact
that they have zero logic.

(15:47):
I I there there's justsomething, there's just
something very wrong here.

SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
There's just something IQs just dropped
sharply while I was away.

SPEAKER_17 (15:56):
Ripley, I wasn't even away and I think IQs
dropped sharply, but I want totalk about one of those things
that you'd never want to talkabout.
It's Halloween legends that GenXers had to grow up with.
There are movies that are madeout of these legends, but the
problem is a lot of theselegends are actually true.
You heard stories, you heardwhispers, you you you heard
innuendos about these storiesfrom the 70s through the early

(16:19):
90s.
They were used to scare childrento do certain things or not to
do certain things.
And you you you you you youdidn't want to go in the mirror
and say bloody Mary, bloodyMary.
But these are things that areactually steeped in truth.
First one I want to talk aboutis the poison Halloween candies.

(16:40):
Always heard the legend ofstrangers will hand out poison
candy or candies with razorblades in them.
Oh, don't eat that Snickers box.
They might have a razor blade init.
Make sure your parents check allyour candies.
Well, that story, that legend,is actually steeped in truth.
In 1974, Ronald O'Brien fromTexans, Texas, excuse me, Texas,

(17:03):
poisoned his own kid, his owneight-year-old, with pixie
sticks that were laced withcyanide.
And he did this to collect theinsurance policy on his kid.
He blamed, of course, the randomneighbor.
It was that random neighbor inHouse 476.
The story spread nationwide, andfor decades, it created this

(17:25):
Halloween paranoia.
Now, I will not, I will saythere were probably other
instances because there arecrazy fucking people out there
for the last over the last 30years.
But this is the origin of thestory of the poisoned Halloween
candy.
So while it it is the urbanlegend, there again, it is
steeped in Halloween truth.

SPEAKER_10 (17:46):
What I got to say, you really don't want to hear
because honesty ain't too highup on your people priority list,
right?

SPEAKER_17 (17:51):
Honesty?
You want honesty?
Well, honesty, we're gonna gowith another great story.
The babysitter.
Oh, there's a man in the house.
We saw the movie about it.
The phone rings.
You sit there and you hear, I'min the house.
Oh, and of course the babysitterfreaks out all these creepy

(18:13):
calls because they're in they'rethey're in the house.
They're in the house.
How could how could that pop?
How could oh, what do we got?
We got something going on here.
We got we got music coming in,and I'm not even ready to call a
quit yet.
So, you know what?
We're gonna let that music playfor a second because it's gonna
it's gonna go away real quick.
But you have the babysitter inthe house.
You get that creepy phone call,classic Halloween movie made
about it.

(18:33):
Well, the problem is with thatclassic story, it's actually
true.
It was inspired by a story of1950 by the murder of Janet
Christman, or Christman, I'msorry.
She was a 13-year-old babysitterin Columbia, Missouri.
She was attacked while watchinga couple children.
The police found the phone offthe hook, the case was never
solved, and for years it fueledgenerations' fears of the

(18:59):
babysitter and somebody in thehouse.
The phone rings and there'ssomebody in the house.
And I love it because it's 1950.
So it's not like you havemultiple phone lines in the
house.
That's that's one of the thingswith this story that always
confused and befuddled me.
That you you literally had youwould have to have two phone

(19:22):
lines in the house to call fromthe house.
Unless, of course, you're usinga cell phone, but in 1950, they
didn't have cell phones.
There's also the story, thatspooky story, of corpses
actually being used as Halloweendecorations, dead bodies
mistaken for a Halloween prop.
Oh, oh, don't go over there.
Now, you know what's you knowwhat I do find is interesting in

(19:42):
the early 90s, um, especially incinema and movies when they, you
know, when you made movies, alot of times, especially in
horror movies, the skeletons yousee in horror movies, and I and
I go back to the movie Return ofthe Night of the Living Dead,
they are actual skeletons.
It turned out, especially in theearly 90s, it was cheaper to buy
skeletons directly from Indiaand use them in films instead of

(20:08):
using these plaster recreationsthat were so expensive to make.
So, in some ways, right off thebat, the urban legend is true,
but in 1976, on the set of thesix million dollar man, the crew
discovered a funhouse dummy thatthey were using.
What was actually the mummifiedbody of Elmer McCready, an

(20:31):
outlaw who died in 1911.
How that happens, don't I don'teven want to know.
There's also stories and rumors,not stories, but there's
actually uh stories and uhpolice reports of multiple
people who died by suicideoutdoors while hanging
themselves during the Halloweenseason, which were mistaken as
props.

(20:52):
That's kind of fucked up.
Don't go to that house because Ihave a feeling there might be
some razor blades in that candy.
Ho! Oh, I'm gonna try to thinkwhat else.
Um one of my favorites.
One of my favorites is thehitchhiking ghost.
We have a story here inPennsylvania about this road

(21:14):
with that as this ghost thatwanders the road.
She she is a uh she is a youngwoman or a young girl uh dressed
in a gown, probably from anevening frock from the 1900s
from the 1800s, that can be seenon certain roads on certain
nights leading up to Halloween.
There's a legend that we seethis this this this go this

(21:36):
ghost.
Well, the legend actually iskind of steeped in a little bit
of truth.
It's a story, of course, of ayoung woman in white who hitches
rides near a cemetery, thenvanishes.
The truth that this legend alsohas come out of is is in 19 uh I
think it was the 1930s, inChicago, Resurrection Mary

(21:57):
became one of the mostdocumented ghost legends in
America.
And it has been since 1930.
Dozens of drivers have reportednearly identical encounters
along Archer Avenue nearResurrection Cemetery, with
police and eyewitnessesconsistently saying the same
chilling aspects.
So once again, we have anotherwe have another legend steeped

(22:21):
in truth.
One of my favorite movies is TheCrow with Brandon Lee.
R.I.P.
Brandon Lee.
And in Brandon Lee, they hadwhat they referred to as Devil's
Night.
And it was in the movie, it wasa big thing that was, you know,

(22:42):
you have the night beforeHalloween is mischief night.
Or the night before Halloween inthis movie was Devil's Night,
where they burned everything tothe ground.
Where they burned that was thewhole thing of Devil's Night.
We set everything on fire.
Now a lot of people laughed anda lot of people scoffed at this,
but from 1970s through the early90s, arson fire spiked every

(23:04):
October 30th in Detroit.
Sometimes hundreds, hundreds ina single night, which is then
was known as Devil's Night.
So that frightening urban legendthat us Gen Xers grew up with
was actually true anddocumented.
The last one I want to talkabout is, of course, the curse

(23:24):
or possession or possessed orpossessed toys.
A lot of times you have toysthat, you know, we we've said
we've all seen Chucky.
Chucky, hell, Chucky even gotmarried.
You got the bride of Chucky.
But there's always been thoselegends and stories of dolls and
toys that move or talk on theirown.
That they're possessed.
But in 1980, or in the 1980s,there was a spooky story about a

(23:50):
Teddy Ruxpin.
Now, first of all, if you knowTeddy Ruxpin, Teddy Ruxpin is
spooky enough as it fucking is.
Teddy Ruxpin was thisanimatronic doll, of course,
that you put a tape in and youplay it and he talked to you.
Well, there's a story thatsomehow this Teddy Ruxpin

(24:10):
started to speak.
Even after his batteries wereremoved.
It was still speaking with nobatteries.
And this is actually a provenlegend.
And I love it because of thefact that this freaked the
family out so much.
Of course, there was a TeddyRuxman investigation, and it

(24:32):
turned out there was a circuitglitch that still maintained
some type, somehow stillmaintained some type of power.
This was verified by the makersof Teddy Ruxman.
And the glitch allowed TeddyRuxpin to still continue to work
even with the batteries removed.
There was a recall of thesedolls as well, because of the
fact there was there was aperiod of time where the Teddy

(24:55):
Ruxpin voice changed.
So again, it's about that evilpossession of dolls and the
changing voice.
But this was again, this was amanufacturer malfunction,
freaked kids out, but you knowwhat?
It went, it, it, it, it was justor was it a myth and a mystery.
Oh, we got another lot of bigshows coming out this week, so
make sure you stay in tune forit.
And as always, don't forget tolike, don't forget to follow the

(25:17):
channel, give that five-starreview.
And this is Tim.
This is Get Off My Lawn, theMatter Realms of Gen Xer.
And I'm out of here.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist

CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist

It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.

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