Ep. 90: 2024 Attacks

In our final episode of 2024, as is tradition here on Get Out Alive, we're going over attacks that happened this year that we haven't had a chance to cover yet. Keep an eye out on our Patreon for a bonus episode (available for free!) with additional attacks and stories from 2024.

If you'd like to keep an eye on Alpha Genesis's inspection reports, their certificate number is 56-B-012 and you can check in on those on the APHIS website.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to episode ninety of Get It Alive and our
last episode of twenty twenty four. I'm your host, Ashley,
and I'm joined by one of my best pals and
the most consistent co host of this show, Nick Yo.
It felt weird to start in a different way, but hope.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
But you've been doing it forever, haven't you? What then
for a while for most of the year. No, I've
been doing that intro without me for a.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Like, Oh, it's just weird to say welcome to Get
Out Alive, Comma and then continue this is.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Stupid, do you not? Is that not the intro?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
No? No, We're ninety episodes in and you're unsure of
how this normally goes.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I guess so anyway, and anim'll talk podcast hero Stashley,
that me and Nick. Yeah, oh yes, I got it. Anyways.
I was there when the script was written, so I
forgot to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
It in the last episode, but I made a special
note for myself to do it now as a thank
you to those of you who take a moment to
leave us a five star review. I read one at
the beginning of each episode when I remember so. This
episode's review is from Apple Podcasts, written by someone who
calls themselves on the don't and says, quote, love the
show and thank you for the Dan Flores interview, good

(01:31):
questions for him, and now I'm downloading his books.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Nice thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's always the hope is that people listen to it
and want to know more about what the person does. Also,
it is the cutest thing to me when people say
thank you for this interview, as if I'm doing a
nice thing for them specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's very sweet. Yeah, you're spreading info for people. It's
really good, h well, educating, crying, Yeah, kunt it.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So twenty twenty four has felt like a big year
for the podcast, and we've evolved in a lot of
different ways. New logo, new music, Nick left, Nick left,
and then people asked where he was, and I was like,
depending on what time a day you'd ask me, I'd
tell you like he's at work or he's probably at
home right now.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
That's what I was referring too.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, So so you know how it was get out
of live an Animal Attack podcasts, Like that's how you found
it on like whatever search engine. I decided to take
out the Animal Attack podcast portion because I feel like,
especially this year, like we've really like it's still mainly
what the podcast is about, but I feel like we've
transcended to be talking about more than just that.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, And thank you to everyone who's been showing us
your Spotify raps. I love seeing everyone's and seeing when
we're a part of them and ours told us that
seventy four percent of our listeners were new this year.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, so either we're terrible retention or we've really grown.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We also have listeners from seventy seven countries.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's wild yeah, and the.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Top of course the United States where we're based.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
And in one country we're number forty six on Spotify
charts for podcas No shit, I don't know which country number.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, that's wild yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't know which country. It just says in one country.
Is it just a trige one? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah. So the thing that this podcast is mostly focused
on is how we can all learn how to avoid
negative interactions with wildlife. And if you've been listening for
a while, at the end of the year, our last episode,
I like to try to make it a culmination of
the attacks throughout the year that we haven't talked about.
And there's a lot that we didn't talk about this
year because we were talking to so many guests, which
was great. But now is the time where we're going

(03:32):
to go through some things that happened this year, and
there were so many that I wanted to cover that
We're going to do this episode and then I say
free episode on Patreon as like a little bonus. We're
going to cover more stories that I'm here. Let's get started,
Let's do it all right, So before we actually get

(03:57):
into attacks, I lied to you, We're going to talk
about two like news stories that are relevant.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
We're going back into attacks, but before we.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Do that, I want to talk about Fat Bear Week,
Oh my god, and the drama.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Y'all have the drama, so love Fat Bear Week.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I also feel like in these wrap up episodes we
always include some like wildlife related news that may not
be back.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Most of you listening are familiar with Fat Bear Week
by now, but if not, it's a yearly competition put
on by Catmi National Park in Alaska where people can
vote on which bear has gotten the fattest during the
salmon run in the fall.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's great if you have checked it out, you need to.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
You gotta because this has become so popular. There's now
a live webcam that looks over Brooks River, which is
one of the sites where grizzlies congregate. Did you know
about this live webcam?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh? I watched it every year. Yeah? Oh do you?
Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh wow, that's so cute.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I was watching that work recently, well, you know, this
past year.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, so this year. At nine thirty am on Monday,
September thirtieth, the day that Fat Bear Week was set
to launch, viewers watched in horror as Bear four h two,
a female in her twenties, fought Bear four sixty nine,
a large adult male, in the river. The fight ended

(05:08):
in four H two's death, and Bear four sixty nine
dragged her to the shore and began to consume her.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Four h two is on the bracket. They both were,
They both were, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Four to sixty nine was eventually driven off of her
carcass by Bear thirty two, also known as Chunky, who
claimed four h two's body for his own. Four h
two was the mother of at least eight litters in
her lifetime. Like I said, she was in her twenties,
more than any other bear currently at Brooks River, and
this included two litters of four cubs, which is very impressive.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Mama.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
In twenty thirteen, four to sixty nine became known to
fans because he overcame a serious injury to his left
hind leg and foot while fishing at Brooks Falls. So like,
despite his injuries, he could still fish and take care
of himself. And then one year earlier he was seen
with an unidentified bear's remains.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Ooh, that's not good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
A twenty twenty two paper found that half of the
world's bear species, so there's only eight. So four of
those eight species, including brown bears, occasionally consume their own kind,
and a third of those instances are infanticide, where an
older bear kills a cub.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's relatively normal in animals, like a lot of times
males will kill babies to put the female back in
the heat. Right.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, So we saw this in kat My this year
once again, involving Chunk Bear one eight, better known as Grazer,
had a cub with her in the river, and the
cub slipped and fell over Brooks Falls into chunk space.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh no, and he fatally wounded it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, even more ironically, Chunk and Grazer were the final
two contestants in twenty twenty four Fat Bear Week Oh
my god, no way, yeah, and Grazer ended up victorious.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Good Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It was also noted that two longtime fan favorites, Bear fourth,
the twenty nineteen Fat Bear Week champion known as Holly Girl,
and four time winner Bear four eighty known as Otis,
were both absent from the scene this year for the
first time since Fat Bear Week came to you.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, I noticed that I didn't see Holly on
the other thing.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, So rangers think that the two of them, it's
possible that they just changed their feeding grounds, but it's
more likely that they died because they were elderly. Yeah,
and because of the nature of their surroundings and just
like the nature of bears in general, it's unlikely that
you'll ever find their remains.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh no, yeah, no way. I mean, the freaking force
out there is so dense, like it's so hard to
walk around, like.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, and if bears are eating each other exactly, there's
no way. So that was the Fat Bear Week drama,
and I think for a lot of people it like
launched uncomfortable feelings about the fact that they like kill
and eat each other because this is supposed to be
a fun, cute competition, and them getting fat.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know, they are, you know, wild animals eating other animals,
So let's not forget that. Yeah, you don't really feel
bad for the fish when they pull it out.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So so I think part of Grazer winning was because
people felt so bad that her Cuba died, which idually understand.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I feel bad for her too, but it like, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It was people being like, fuck Chunk, you know, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, I mean the fact that Chunk made to the end.
He must have been a big old boy this year. Yeah,
well were they always sorry?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
All right, let's move on to the next news story,
which is very relevant, Oh is it?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
So Nick and I on Patreon just finished up our
coverage of the Chimp Crazy HBO documentary.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Thank god, it's the worst.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
It was the worst in so many ways, good but
also the worst. So we have to talk about the
forty three monkeys that escaped and some of which are
still loose in South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
You know, I went down in South Carolina. I was
talking about go and find them. Oh my god, yeah,
you did? Ye run the same time.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I mean, they're still out there as we're talking.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So, yeah, you want to go? No, I don't, of course,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You learn We literally just did four like hour long
episodes about chimps and monkeys and how much we don't
like them. Why would I want to go find them?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, you win, Yeah you're I don't even have a
good excuse.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
So on November sixth, which is pretty recently, I didn't
realize it was like that recent.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
It feels a long time ago, right, time flies? Oh,
it's been a long couple months.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Forty three reesis Macacus escaped their enclosure at the Alpha
Genesis Center in Yamassy, South Carolina. Am I pronouncing that right?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think so? I mean, yeah, it's a weird name. Yeap.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
In an effort to capture the monkeys, the local police
set out baited traps and thermal imaging cameras. Residents were
told to lock their windows and doors to avoid having
monkeys in their home, and they were told to call
nim on one immediately if they saw the monkeys and
to avoid interacting with them.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And it was said that they are not like, they
don't have any diseases or anything, right, like that. They
made that very clear right away. Yeah, do you believe that?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So I'm gonna say my piece and then we'll figure
it out together, because I don't know how I feel.
But the CEO of Alpha Genesis, Greg Westerguard, said the
monkeys escaped when a worker caring for them failed to
secure their enclosure, and he has since said that the
company is investigating if this act was intentional. Oh interesting, Yeah,

(10:11):
the enclosure contained fifty macaqus. Forty three of them bolted
out the door in a single file line, while seven
stayed behind.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Mike. You seem like you do? Yeah? For seven seven
were like, monkey, don't fuck this.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Greg said, quote, they're just being goofy monkeys, jumping back
and forth and playing with each other. It's kind of
like a big playground situation here.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, so he taked it seriously.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, No, I think he's trying to pick down. Then
the police are like, lock your door, sot them inside.
He said they didn't want to chase the monkeys and
spook them and knew it would be a long process
getting them back because they're so smart and wary of traps.
But don't worry. They're sticking close to the facility, and
he said, quote, we've got them very close. This is
all what we like to see.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So I remember reading about this must be like the
second or third day after they got out, and they're like, oh, yeah,
we know where they all are. The by the thing,
go fucking dart them. Like what do you like? You
make forty three of them? Okay? Would you have to
do something? Start with one, like start with one and
work your way down ye know yeh.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So he said the monkeys that had escaped were all
young females weighing between six and seven pounds and had
never been used for testing due to their young age.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Alpha Genesis breeds monkeys and provides this is according to
their website, quote non human primate products and BioResearch services
across the globe. The company's clinical trials reportedly include research
on progressive brain disorders.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Oh damn dimension stuff probably sure, well yeah, yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
In twenty twenty three, Alpha Genesis won a federal contract
to oversee a colony of thirty five hundred.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Recis macaque jesus.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
On Morgan Island in South Carolina, which is also known
as Monkey Island because the one hundred three five hundred
free ranging monkeys.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Wow, free ranging. That's pretty cool though.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
The facility is rapidly expanded across one hundred acres, and
these fifty monkeys had been brought to Alpha Genesis to
become accustomed to humans from the island.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Is that a good thing?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I think for research purposes. Okay, yeah, in theory, they're
not supposed to be outside.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
In twenty twenty two, however, the USDA gave Alpha Genesis
eight violations for things like housing, facility violations and veterinary violations,
including an incident where six monkeys were placed in the
wrong enclosure, leading to the death of one of the
monkeys in four other required veterinary care.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Interesting. I wonder what that situation was.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I don't know specifically. I couldn't find the report, but
I'm sure it was like, maybe you mixed monkeys that
weren't supposed to be together.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, Okay, they just.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Hit each other up.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
And then the first eight months of twenty twenty two,
the facility also had six separate instances of monkeys escaping
their enclosures.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, so this is a common issue.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
And eight years ago, nineteen monkeys escaped but were recaptured
six hours.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I remember that story too. That was another one that
was on the news nationwide and stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Are you talking about the truck crashing with the monkeys
in it?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I know no. When I was reading up on this
most recent one from Alpha Genesis, like they mentioned like
some stuff like, oh, you might remember back in you know,
twenty or whatever. Fuck. Yeah, yeah, now I remember reading
up on it. I was like, oh, I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
At the time, local officials said these escapes were not common,
and the monkeys typically went back to the facility because
they knew that that's where food was.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's weird. It sounds like it's pretty common. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
On top of all of this, most recently, a whistleblower
told Pita, we're talking about peda again, Oh God, that
eighteen long tailed monkeys had died due to a heater malfunction,
and the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, also
known as APHIS, is investigating to see if there are
any violations to the Animal Welfare Act.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
In South Carolina. They died of hypothermia, well, heater malfunction,
So so am I gone too hot? Yeah? Oh shit?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Could have caught.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I have no idea it's being investing. That's a vague answer, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
So they said if anyone would like to follow up
on this, they can visit the APHIS Public search tool,
which I will link in the episode description to access
the inspection and enforcement histories. And Alpha Genesis certificate number
is fifty six dash B DASH zero one to zero,
which I'll put in the episode description so you can
look up Alpha Genesis and the stuff that they're being
investigated for.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
See. I don't like the name. It just sounds like
an evil company name.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
This sounds exactly like Planet of the Apes how it starts.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, seriously.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
As of a May twenty twenty four inspection by the USDA,
Alpha Genesis is currently home to six thousand, seven hundred
and one monkeys.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Wow. Yeah, okay, so I would assume that this is
over multiple facilities, including the island that's thirty five hundred.
But still that's yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
All right. Let's finally move on to some animal tacks
that happened this year. Yes, our first one, we're going
to Zambia.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Ooh cool.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Sixty four year old Juliana G. Laturno, a resident of Albuquoque,
New Mexico, was on a safari in Zambia on Wednesday,
June nineteenth. Her tour group had just visited the infamous
Victoria Falls, which is a three hundred and fifty foot
waterfall that straddles the border of Zambia in Zimbabwe. Her
group was headed back to their hotel, but stopped near
the Maramba Cultural Bridge in Livingstone, where a herd of

(15:19):
African elephants were in the road.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Initially, official said an African elephant pulled Juliana from the vehicle.
Oh but this claim was later disputed by the Livingstone
Tourism Association, saying that what officials described quote has never
occurred anywhere in Africa or Asia.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It seems like a biased thing.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, if you're a tourism company. I didn't say ever,
Like yeah, how the fuck do you know? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I also feel like we've covered stories where that explicitly
has happened.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So it like wrapped the trunk around her and pull
her out, Like what do you think happened?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
So this these tourisms or like this tourism.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Association open top jeeps and stuff probably.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Said that Juliana and others stepped out of the vehicle
to view the elephants, which goes against national.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Park rud Yeah, I was gonna say, that's like the
number one rule when you go on the Safaris is
don't get the car. Yeah yeah, And they said that.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
She was subsequently charged and fatally mauled by the elephant.
According to a police officer's statement, her injuries included deep
wounds on the right shoulder, blade and forehead and a
fractured left ankle in a slightly depressed chest. I mean
they probably stepped on her. She was taken to a
clinic near a livingstone, but she was declared dead upon arrival.

(16:35):
The death of Juliana was the second fatality of an
American tourist caused by an elephant in Southern Africa this year.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
The other fatality was seventy nine year old Gail Mattson,
a native of Minnesota, who was killed during a big
game drive in one of Zambia's national parks in March,
So once again Zambia. In this incident, which was caught
on video, an African elephant rushed the group's vehicle and
used its tusks to push the vehicle over multiple times,

(17:04):
killing Gale and injuring five others.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Wow, this is all coming in the wake of a
severe drought in the area and it is the worst
scene in four decades.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, so the climate conditions there are worsening the food
insecurity for animals and people.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
So now elephants are streussed now probably aren't too fond
of people being around them when they're hungry and thirsty.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah. So, Zambia has one of the highest rates of
malnutrition in Sub Saharan Africa just for people, and due
to the lack of food and water. Animals are also
being driven towards human settlements looking for food. So people
who are already insecure about their food and trying to farm,
now there's elephants coming to take their stuff because the
elephants are also suffering.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Do you know this is a wild question, but do
you know if people ever hunt to eat elephants, Like
if you're in a starving village, like I don't see
heard of elephants go by.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think that's a good portion of the poaching crisis
is like you take what you can get.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
An elephant seems like a huge risk to me personally,
but I'm sure it has huge risk.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
But I'm sure they have self defense. Well all that's
I don't know. I'm sure, but it wouldn't be surprising
a small village in Zambia had self defense weapons made
to kill elephants in case they go crazy in town. Yeah,
and you are any again, starving village and an elephant
herd goes by, I wouldn't be surprised if started taking them.
And I don't super blame people again if they're starving.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah. So, Actually, a nonprofit that researches elephant behavior called
Elephant Voices, said there have been multiple poaching crises in
the area, likely exacerbated by the lack of food and
water accessible to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Oh yeah, and people need fucking money, so they're gonna
do dumb shit like go top off elephants tusks. Yeah.
Fuck that sucks.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, it's almost like the poaching and like wildlife rig
crisis is like.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
A poverty crisis, exactly direculates our human failures. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
A third of Zambia is designated as protected wildlife areas,
which end up drawing in a lot of tourists that
helped boost the country's economy.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Also, I mean a third of the country's huge. Like
that's really cool. Yes.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
So, following Juliana's death, the US State Department said that
millions of Americans travel to areas where there is wildlife
every year, and that is uncommon for elephants and other
wild animals to attack visitors in Zambia.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's probably true, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't
mean it's never gonna happen. It doesn't mean that the
elephant didn't come take her out of the fucking cheek.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah. I mean, anytime you go recreate outside is a
risk that.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
You are absolute, which is the whole point of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Or was hey still is still still is still were
still talking?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Sorry, I'm sorry that was shut up.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
All right. So our next attack occurred on Friday, October eighteenth,
at nine thirty am.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's my birthday, close to it, almost, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Italian surfer Julia Manfreni was surfing in the Mentawai Islands
off of Indonesia's West Sumatra Coast.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
That must be sick. I bet that's gorgeous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
So she was a former professional snowboarder and she is
the co founder and head of surf resorts sales at
a wave Travel, an online travel company that offers a
hand picked selection of the finest luxury surf resorts and
quality surf charters and all the ultimate surf destinies. Super cool. Yeah,
So Julie was waiting to catch a wave. Out of nowhere,

(20:20):
a needlefish jumped out of the water and pierced her chest.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Needlefish, I don't think I know a needlefish.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm not surprised. So she screamed and fell off her board,
which caught the attention of other nearby surfers who immediately
went to her aid. However, of course, as they're paddling
over to her, the biggest wave anyone had seen that
day washed them all away from her.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Eventually, when they did get to her, they were able
to drag her back to the beach, but she was unresponsive.
There was even a doctor among the group, as there
seems to always be in these situations, but he failed
his attempts to resuscitate her. She was taken to a
hospital in a nearby village, where an ambulance was already
waiting for her, but she had died by the time
that she arrived at the hospital.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
No, yeah so.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Medical professionals at the health center reported that she had
a five centimeter deep stab wound to her upper left chest,
and that there had been foaming in her nose, which
is a sign of oxygen deprivation from drowning.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Fuck because Steve r Win situation.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah so. Marine biologists Antonio di Natale said the fish
responsible was likely an imperial needlefish, although this is of
course hard to prove without witnesses to identify it or
any sort of body. The imperial needlefish's rostrum so like
their nose, can be thirty centimeters or eleven inches long.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Damn yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Although the rostrum is rounded, the fish can weigh upwards
of thirty kilos or sixty six pounds wow, which is
obviously deadly if they're launching out of the water.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It should even just hit you in the head when
it's swinging as fast as it cam like, yeah, that'll
knock you out and make the drown.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
This is not the first instance of this kind of
fish harming a person either. A similar incident occurred on
December sixth, twenty twenty three, when Italian surfer Alberto Marcone
was impaled under his armpit by a needlefish off the
coast of Sumbawa. He survived his injuries after undergoing surgery
for a punctured lung. Oh God, and I'm going to

(22:12):
show you a picture of this next one.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Dude, you met's try and swim back to shore with
a punctured lung.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Imagine trying to swim back to shore with the next
thing I'm about to show you. So in twenty twenty,
a sixteen year old boy fishing in Bhutan, Indonesia, was
struck in the neck by a needlefish, but also survived
after surgery. But there is this gnarly picture of the
fish going straight through his neck.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Serious.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, So I'm gonna show it to you. No after
Oh no, I don't know if anyone would want to
see this picture other than you. So I'm not gonna
link in the description.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
What are you saying about me?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
You're weird?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Fair? All right?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm ready? Wow? Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So, Nick, how would you describe this picture to people?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So? Uh? This is the sixteen year old?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
So the fish enters on the left side of this Uh,
this dude's neck right around where your arders would be
and is exiting behind his spine. It looks like it
goes behind his spine. Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It does look like that.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Wow, how lucky is he that this hit him the
way it did.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
To this Yeah, it looks like it goes through mostly
flesh and muscle and misses from again from the photo,
misses his arteries, misses his spine by centimeters millimeters.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's gotta be so.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I mean your neck, there's only so much dear noyeah exactly. Yeah,
and your neck is like pretty stout, like people would
be surprised about how dense your neck is. That's a
fucking fast fish to go that deep.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
It is straight through his neck.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
That is crazy because it's white. Six inches eight inches
something like that. Yeah, and what was so the impact
to that girl's chest If you said it was eight
centimeters five five centimeters, this is more than five centimeters.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Percent Yeah, well so their rostern can be up to
like eleven Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, this one is huge. It looks very big. Yeah,
a large fish. So there's probably about about half a
centimeter of rosterm sticking out of the back of this
guy's next. Yeah, it is going through yeah, a lot
of flesh. Yeah, that is unbelievably lucky. Yeah, unbelievably lucky, so.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Co founder of A Wave Travel, James, said an Instagram
post announcing Julia's death. Quote, Julia was surfing in remote
Indonesia and suffered a freak accident. Unfortunately, even with the
brave efforts of her partner, local resorts, staff, and doctors,
Julia couldn't be saved. We believe she died doing what
she loved in a place that she loved. Julia was
the lifeblood of this company, and her infectious enthusiasm for surf, snow,

(24:44):
and life will be remembered by all that came in
contact with her. Julia couldn't travel without people falling in
love with her smile, laugh and endless stoke. Anyone was
lucky to have her on board a charter or surf trip.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know, you're a probably damn cool person. You have
stoke in your obituary. Yeah, that's pretty fucking.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's sad, yea, And like what a weird way to go. Like,
I'm sure as a surfer that's not what you're thinking about.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
A shark or something about it. But like they said,
the freak accident, you know, yeah, just a freak accent.
Crazy stuff happens out there to be eny us anywhere, all.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Right, and now we transition into the portion of the
podcast all about bear attacks.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, well, well not yes, but but you like the bears.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I like bear So on Tuesday, August thirteenth, around nine
to thirty PM. I don't know if you've noticed, almost
every time I've said so far in this episode has
been nine thirty AM or PM. It's so, I don't
nine point thirty was a dangerous time.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's a witching hour.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah. Officers from the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
WDFW got a report there had been a black bear
attack in Roslin, Washington. A seventeen year old girl was
taking trash out by herself to the dumpster behind the
cafe that she worked at when she sustained superficial scratches
and torn clothing from a black bear that struck her arm.

(26:03):
This is all it's really reported of the incident. But
the bear found near the scene was quote lethally removed, meaning.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
That WDFW killed it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Forensic evidence was collected and the bear will be transported
to the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Lab for further evaluation.
I could not find any follow up report. It's December now,
so I have no idea what came from that report.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well, you've kind of worked in testlights before. Do you
know how long it would take for an animal to
get test I haven't worked in testing like this before.
We talked about used to rip animal's brains out.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Oh, well for rabies, that's so different.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Okay, Well, DNA is different than looking for rabies.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, sure that are. They just like it wasn't
the right bear, and they just say you haven't worked
in that. That's as damn closer to you got. That's
that's a wild thing to say you haven't worked.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
In I have worked with DNA and stuff before, but
not I haven't done this very.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Specific base there. You don't get out of that for now.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Anyways. So WDFW said the bear had become habituated to
humans because it had identified dumpsters as a source of food.
Classic the cafe only had plastic lids on their dumpsters,
which are not enough to deter a bear that weighs
a couple hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
No, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
The girl who was attacked, her father, who grew up
in this town, blames visitors for the trash situation in
the town, getting quote out of control, and he says
the worst is near campsites where people just leave trash
behind at the end of their weekend stay.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah. No, I'm sure that's absolutely a factor. Yeah. Yeah.
Also it was that prominent that bear would have been
out of the camp sites and not at the stumpster
that probably goes to all the time. So it seems
like a weird.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But I mean a cafe probably has like donuts and
stuff exactly part comes by the stumpster fairly often identified.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You know. Yeah, well, I don't know if you can
completely blame the tors. Yeah, just saying no, I agree
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
All right, Before we get into our next story, let's
take a quick break for ADS. In a similar incident
to the one that we just talked about before the ads,
a family, ironically from Washington was camping at Perry's RV
Parking campground near the city of Red Lodge in Montana
on August tenth around nine pm. Oh, once again the

(28:22):
nine o'clock hour, not for twenty twenty four. For the
remaining of the year, do not go out at night.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Half next three weeks two Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
While asleep inside her tent, three year old Madison Findley
Dixon was attacked by.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
A black bear.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
There are no details about the attack itself, but we
do know that Madison came out of it with.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
A fractured skull. Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, So we don't know if the bear like stepped
on her. We don't know if it bit her. We
don't know if she was dragged out. I have no
idea specifically what happened. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks responded
and set out a trap. They captured a black bear
and euthanized it, believing it to be the one that
attacked the girl, but they said they can never be
one hundred percent sure it was the right bear, to
which I.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Say, yes, killed it.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, well, I guess in this case, like if there's
no DNA left behind, but then it's like, well then
why are we.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I mean, there must have been hair or something, right,
But also I'm sure they would have investigated that and
found it if it was there. I don't know. That's
that's tough. That's tough. Just kill a bear that way,
you know, everyone's happy, you know, that's what it feels
like that's well, what it feels like a lot of
times is oh, yeah, we'll just kill a bear and
it's probably that one.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, especially the bear that was killed was a subadult
female that Montana FWP said had never had any conflicts
with humans, but after this weekend, they found it necessary
to kill the bear in order to protect the humans.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, I know, I thought that was a weird thing
for them to say, like, hey, we could be one
hundred percent sure, but we did kill this one that's
never had a problem with you before that we somehow
know about. But we did it for the sake of
the people.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, that's that's tough. Yeah, because then you know, I'm
pro safe to human Well, well, I'm pro saying then generally,
Like that's always been my stance on on these things.
But you would prefer if they could, you know, make
sure it's thright one, I would prefer that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Montana FWP also reported that there were many unsecured bear
attractants found in the tent, including trash food, sugary drinks,
and dirty diapers.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay, well, yeah, you can't be doing that.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Montana f WP's communication manager stated, quote, we always want
to remind folks to store those items. That's everything from
garbage to food descented toilet tries, to store those in
a hard sided vehicle or other certified bear resistant container.
To make sure to avoid instances like this where bears
are attracted to a tent because there are items with
a scent in there.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah. No, that's if you ever go out camping somewhere
with obviously black bears, but with brown bears, make sure
you fucking do.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
This, yeah, especially if you're in just like a flimsy
little tent.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah yeah, Like it doesn't matter if you're in a
RV park. I mean I went being in the Whites
in New Hampshire last year and they're like, hey, there's
a black bear around, Like.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, yeah, secure yourself. Probably many black bears around that.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Ye live of course. Well yeah, but like even here
in New Hampshire where we don't think of bears as
like a big deal, like you still get to do
the right thing if they're around anywhere. Just secure your.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Stuff in general, like at worst, puts it in a
fucking cooler outside, Like just don't let them come, don't
attract them to your tent. We're sleeping even.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean it is tough, like specifically with black bears
because for example here in New Hampshire, and I'm sure
it happens in like every other stay with this tourists,
but they learned to break into cars. Oh yeah, and
if you follow us on Facebook, I post videos of
black bears being stuck in cars and having to figure
out how to get them out.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
No, there's tons of videos in Usemity where bears are
like in cars and shit. Yeah, so lock your cars also, absolutely,
did you? Uh, this is a different the news story.
Did you see that thing about the people who dressed
up as a black bear and beat the share of
their car, got it on video and try to do
insurance fraud? Oh? Yes, I did someone dude, Oh my
god it was It was in isn't that an air

(32:03):
of Cali where I used to go all the time?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Really?

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Were there black bears there?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh yeah yeah? Oh yeah, it's the big Bear area?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
So can you how did we get that on video?
Did the people videotape?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah? It was like from a ring camera because they
were trying to commit insurance frauds. They wanted the video
of a bear attacking their car. It was just a
dude dressed up in a bear coster. That's hilarious. It's
very funny. I'm very happy didn't work. They just they'd
done it a couple of times too, like the same
group of people had kind of rotated and done it
to each other's cars. That's really funny. Yeah, wow, idiots.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
So, Madison's mom made a gofund me for her daughter,
which hit its five K goal, in order to help
with her medical bills. Her mom stated she had initially
received some raby shots, but once a bear was killed
and tested negative for rabies, she didn't receive any additional
raby shots, to which I'm like, you could not confirm
which bear it was.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Why.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
It specifically says after a bear was killed, it's like,
well bear, yeah a bear. Different bears could have different diseases. Yeah,
Like I don't think we should just stop to be
super sure. Yeah, make sure that we're doing that. But anyways,
she didn't receive any additional rebshots whatever. And on August
twenty sixth her mom said Madison got her head staples removed,

(33:15):
which had healed well, and she will have by now
received some imaging of her head. Sometime in September.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hope she's doing okay, yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
There was no other updates beyond that, so I'm not sure,
but it sounded like it was going as well as
it could. Yeah, yeah, as well as it can, right, Yeah,
So there were so many other bear stories to cover,
and I'm gonna save those for Patreon.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know. I felt like there was an uptick in
bear stories this year, and like multiple.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Species, like a lot of black bear, some brown polar
bear stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Did you really which always kind of gets me. I
was excited button, Oh yeah, Like I keep telling people
that I know about that. Yeah, Like I tell people
they're fucking crazier than tigers and then call me the
fucking talk shit. Yeah. I'm sure that's the only reason
they do that.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
They're like, Wow, that Nick guy, he has one weird
take slot bears.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, so I have way more than one weird taking.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, that was the joke. It was sarcasms, all right.
So I teased this last one in the last episode
with Dan Floores, like towards the end of my interview
with him. But this incident occurred on August twenty sixth
in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Oh yeah, I believe I told you
about this one.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Maybe off air.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah. So it was reported that a woman was jogging
and was bitten by a coyote. It occurred near Brown
Street on the Marblehead Neck, according to the police, and
it is next to a wildlife sanctuary, so they were like,
of course it must be a wild animal, right. So
this launched news reporters to go out and talk to

(34:47):
people and people are like, wow, so scary coyotes are
so dangerous blah blah blah, and animal control investigated somehow
and determined that the bite was from a coyote. The
woman was bit three times on the left, but was
otherwise fine and was able to get away good. People
in the area had mixed reviews, like oh my god,
this has never happened before, and some people were like, yeah,

(35:08):
they're definitely here. They're here all the time, Like well, yeah,
I'm always worried about that, which, of course, coyotes are
there all the time everywhere. Yes, they are. And I
think because it was near a wildlife sanctuary, people were
like a little up in arms about it, like, oh,
you know what I mean, Oh, it's a wild life
sing story, they're biting us.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh, we're protected. This shit, just so are they going
to attack us?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, and you know, it had run up behind her
and there were like people were saying like it was
so scary whatever. So the woman said it was a coyote,
and authorities were like, it probably had rabies. Let's just assume, right,
and because it occurred after four pm, but there was
it was still light out at the time, and she
said the animal, like the woman who's bitten said, it

(35:49):
appeared to be between like thirty and forty pounds, which.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Like, yeah, okay, have a bigger coyote, they'd be.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Like mid the mid coyote. So what happened was see
what happened? It was it was a dog.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh what Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
It was later confirmed that it was a dog. So
what really pissed me off though, is that, like you
can read an entire article and it's like going off
about coyotes and how they're dangerous whatnot.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
But I'm sure they made tons of articles about how
dangerous dogs are.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, there was a little blip at the beginning that
just says the animal responsible for the bite was an
awf leash dog, not a coyote. The animal was contained,
it was not a threat to others.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
And that's an edit made at the end of the
original article.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Right, that was an update made the day after it was.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I remember you bittered about this because it's like you
couldn't have written another article.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, writing an article like, hey, we got it wrong.
Was actually a dog. Here's how many dog bites occur.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
That's why I listened to Get Out Alive because we'll
tell you that dogs will fuck you up. Yeah, and
they are in your home, so don't be dumb, Like, don't.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
So don't let dogs in your home.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
No, to be aware.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, either way, Like, clearly this was like an isolated incident.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
But oh no, dog where you talk about dog TACs
happened every day everywhere, like dogs attack and kill people
all the time all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, yes, but I'm saying the specific dog. It's not
like it was going on a rampage. It was just
like it's specific incident.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I mean, maybe it's people before chasing instincts kicked in
when saw someone jogging, Like it's a fucking animal. These
things happen like they just get a switch flipped and
they fucking go after things.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
So Morrell the story. If your dog bites people, keep
it on a leash.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
If your dog bites people, just keep it on a leash, period,
don't tell anyone, and run away. It's kind that they'd
be put down like it's attacking.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
See that's the thing. So like, would they have put
a coyote down to test it for rabies? But like
this dog, well, okay, that's stupid. I should know that
they would check to see if it was vaccinated against rabies.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's true, Yeah, that would be the Yeah, it's not
to be like quarantine, but still still now that sucks. Yeah,
and then again like not correcting it, not giving proper information.
But I'd be safe around dogs dogs. It's also very important.
Yeah that allows gotcha. Though.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
We have two episodes about dogs attacking people specifically, and
someone who is a world class expert on dogs killing
people just saying we got the credits. Can you believe? Sorry, tangent,
I know some of you hate this, but fuck.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
You don't care what I love the.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Most tangents talk. It is crazy to me. Jim Crosby,
the fatal dog attack expert that we talked to, If
it was not for him, I wouldn't be doing the
master's degree I'm doing. He literally helped me get into
my master's christ.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Isn't that crazy? Really is? Yeah? Sometimes I forget about that.
I'm like, wow, thanks Jim, you're kind of cool. He's
kind of cool. He's very cool. Yeah, don't way cooler
than us? Absolutely due that guy's have that. He's done
some ship.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah. So there are so many more stories to cover,
especially about bears. But this last story that I want
to talk about was the most recent one, and it
also brings us back to rabies again. Sixty year old
Liah Senang was an art teacher at Bryant Middle School
in Dos Polos, California. One morning in mid October, Leah

(38:54):
found a bat in her classroom.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Do you understand where this is going?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Luckily it was before students had arrived, and she wanted
to help it back outside, so she scooped it up
and took it outside.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
With like, you know, a pail or something, or you know,
papers to cover her hands, or you know, just making
sure it's not like skin in contact to this wild animal. No,
that commonly carries a lot of diseases. No.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Lee's friends Sala was probably unsure if the bat had
just scratched her or bitten her, but thought nothing of
it as the bat flew off when it got outside.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Good for her for saving the bat.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, that's good, No, very nice, right, yes, yes, yes.
She went about her day as normal, but later told
her daughter about what had happened. But in November, Leah
began to get sick, to the point that her daughter
took her to the hospital. On November eighteenth, she was
placed into a medically induced coma. Oh no, but died

(39:51):
four days later.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So, we've talked about Raby's quite a bit on this
podcast in general. You've done multiple episodes on it specifically,
and we know that the most infamous woman who has
survived rabies was put in a coma and survived. Clearly, Yes,
I'm sure that's what they were trying to do here,
but a month had passed, so I think it was
way too long. And of course, if you know anything

(40:16):
about rabies, when you start showing symptoms, it's yeah, it's done.
So I think what happened here was because they're bites,
like the puncture wounds are so small, tiny teeth and
they have little, tiny claws, so if they scratch you
might not even know it. I'm sure it did bite
her because just scratching you. I'd be very surprised if

(40:37):
that transmitted it. Yeah, you need saliva, but that's why
we tell you. Like, you know, if you wake up
in the middle of the night and there's been a
bat flying in your room, you should absolutely go to
the hospital and get raby shots. Yeah, I mean confer
with the doctor. I'm not a medical professional. This is
not medical advice, but yeah, like, ask your doctor. But
I always err on the side of caution. Like their

(40:59):
teeth are so small you would not be able to
see the bites. So just it's better to get the
shots and pay however much money for it, then die
of rabies. It's not a cool death.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
It sucks. If you find a bat in your home,
should you kill the bat and take it somewhere to
be tested for rabies?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
No, no, unless it bite somebody. If it bites someone,
then capture it, yep, and have it tested.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Sure that's going to have to be killed, well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
But a professional will do it. It's fair, Yeah, because
you need its brainstem, so don't mess up the brainstem to.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, I don't spash its head.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
But like I've had a bat in my house before,
and luckily we had a room at the time that
we were like redoing. So I managed to like herd
it into that room and I opened the window and
like open the screen, shut the door. Woke up the
next morning and the bat had left.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, and that's.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Perfectly what you should do. You don't need to beat
it with a tennis racket whatever. You don't need to
handle it. There are ways to also, like get it
outside without touching it with your bear skin. Like when
I was hurting it around my house, I had a
motorcycle helmet on, a full jacket and pants. It was
like the middle of summer was so hot. But I
was like, this is not going to touch me. And

(42:10):
I'm vaccinated against rabies, so I was like whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
But but still still yeah, yeah, it can never be
too careful.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So Leah's friend of fifteen years said, quote, she was
a lover of life. She spent a lot of time
in the mountains where her mother lived. She loved to
explore the world. She's a great explorer. She leaves behind
a husband and a daughter, and her death is the
first one involving rabies in Fresno County in thirty two years.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Wow. Yeah, that's that sucks. That sucks.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's never great.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, And when you're trying to do something good, do
something good.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, she's an art teacher for kids at a middle school.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Think she got the bat up before the kids showed up. Yeah,
not that the bat would have for any reason bitten
any of them, but just in general, if a.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Kid runs up and touches a bat, yeah, a kid absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
So a point too, is like, the only rabies deaths
that happened in America anymore with humans is really from
people not getting medical care. If you handle a wild
animal that is a mammal, that is a rabies vector.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Species, just ask somebody. Just be safe.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
There's not many people that die from rabies each year,
but don't be one of them.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Is it safe to assume that's fully eradicated anywhere like
in the United States?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
No, absolutely not, that's fly.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
I just want to make sure.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, you want to check even in the ocean, you're
never safe.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I love if you're encountering a mammal in the ocean. Yeah,
what's going.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
On, Nick Orcas.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, there's not a lot of orchid taxes here too.
There has been a lot like encounters.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Like yeah, but that's been ongoing.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, and which we did touch on last year too.
We did.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I actually do have to talk about Orcas in the
bonus episode on Patreon.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, there's been a new fashion statement they've been doing that.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I'm very excited to watch out, Patty.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well, that's all I have for a tax for our
main feed, PEP.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Nick, What are your goals for twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
So you told me to think about this earlier?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, right before we started recording. I said, Nick, think
about this, but don't like let it ruin the podcast,
like think about it in the background.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah. I don't have the ability to do that. I don't.
I don't know, So I got you know, we're both
working on new jobs right now. So I'm hoping to,
you know, find a new job. Hopefully the one that
I'm looking at now works out. That'd be really cool. Yeah,
but no, just keep growing, keep keep doing things. I
want to get better at golf. Yeah. Hey, that's like,
you know, it's like my only hobby and that's twenty

(44:44):
of time and I can't do it and it sucks. Yeah,
so now I want to do it more.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Well, we're going to do wild life photography.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Oh if we do want to do that and we
can post them on Patreon two be really cool. I
actually so I want to. I have a few, have
some decent photographs. I think I have great pictures. Yeah,
I want to get them printed out of it, put
them up because I have like zero decorations my apartment
except for Christma stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Ibstually do that.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
For those of you who don't know, if you've been
able to find Nick on any social media, it's literally
just pictures that he's taken of, like the night sky
in California.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I don't think. I don't know if I have my
best ones up there. I have a fees yeah anyway.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, yeah, So we have some pictures on the website,
like the one of the black Bear in you seventy
you took.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah yeah, I like that, like that one. Yeah. Once
I want to get back into well for Wileife photography.
That'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And we always have goals, like we want to go
to a band so bad we want to go I
personally want to.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Go cage diving with sharks. That's that's the goal. But
I need to look into that more. Absolutely do that.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, So I have some things like that that I
want to do. I mean, I also need to finish
my tattoo sleeve next year, yea, at some point, and
then I'm also starting I got.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Offered my dream job. That's dude, it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I accepted it literally this week or the week before.
We're recording on a Sunday, is that technically the last week? Whatever,
it doesn't matter. I accepted my dream job. I'm gonna
be training animals at a.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Zoom that is really it's not just zoo.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I mean, I mean, I don't want to say specifically
right now, but it's got a very important place to me.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
And if you, I mean, if you follow me on
social media, you're gonna think, yes, very excited. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
But yeah, So that being said, that means that in
twenty five I'm gonna be pausing Patreon. Yeah, so you
can still follow us for free there and I'll post
like intermittent updates and we'll leave the one dollar tier

(46:38):
open and post stuff to that sometime. It'll basically be
like a tip jar if you want to like support
us financially a little bit. I don't want to make
you all pay like a huge amount, and then if
you already are subscribed, I'm just gonna pause it. That way,
you can still access all the backlog of bonus episodes
and stuff like that, of course. Yeah, and I'll still
put on the one dollar feed and whatever else, like
add free episodes on Patreon as well.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, I think we should still everyone small jump.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
In the Yeah, and just I'll update people and like
where I'm at with my new job. But yeah, so
it I just there's so many things, I like, as
we were just talking about, I'm starting a new job,
and I really need to finish my master's degree, and
I'm going to have like some other life things going
on next year.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
So I just it was just too much to do
all of it. Yeah, so you have a lot going on,
and I want to golf more. I live a good life.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
But yeah, that's it. I thank you all so much
for everything this year. I know there was a distinct
lack of nick this year that a lot of you
kept asking.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Me about You've been for the best. You've been here
a few times.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, Yeah, it hasn't been like you've been absent fully no, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
That was never the intention.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, but golf's important to him.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
The work shift doesn't help. Yeah, that was the bigger issue,
is scheduling stuff that thinks that we're no longer friends
and you know, there's some thing that happened. Yeah, I'm tired. No.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah. For those of you who don't know, Nick works
from like what two pm to two am?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
See this schedule time is two thirty in the afternoon
till one in the morning. It's more than that, Yeah,
every day, so.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Which would mean if we're recording, it's either on the weekend,
so he has like at least half a day dedicated
to this or in the mornings, yeah, or in the
mornings before he goes to work. I'm tired and he's
barely slept. So that's why Nick was absent. And then
I just feel like, you know, if I'm interviewing someone,
you know, I.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Don't add a lot. You've you've been fine, you've done great.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Hey, thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm very happy to jump in when I do, but
bless me is usually better according to some people.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
So thank you all so much for listening. If you
want to find the links that I mentioned in the episode,
you can check out the episode description, where you can
also figure out where to follow us on social media,
you can check out our website, Get a lifepodcast dot
com for merch with our new logo on it. Go
on Patreon. You can follow us for free and get
just like general life updates from me if you care

(48:57):
or like podcast updates as they happen. That's where we
update things the most and post the most, probably on
all of our social media's. Thank you so much to
my good friend and second grade husband, Joshua Walsh for
making this dang beautiful intro music and transition music. And
thank you to his brother Jesse for just being at
my beck and call this year.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
He's got a lot of work to do with this.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
He's got a lot of work to do with this one.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I was my fault. Yeah, it was me. I'm not
even gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Nick messed up my coffee order, so I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Thank you for picking up all the food. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, So thanks Jesse, Thank you all. We love you all.
That's it. Happy New Year.