February 19, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode of Get the LAX Scoop, hosts 'Big Dawg' Ron Doish and 'Jaybird' Jay McMahon kick off Season III with an introduction to their new season. Sponsored by Jay McMahon Lacrosse (JML), this episode features special guests Jamie Munro and his younger brother Neil Munro, both former standout lacrosse players at Brown University. Jamie, a 1989 grad, discusses his journey starting from a babysitter introducing him to lacrosse, through an impressive career as both player and coach, ultimately founding successful lacrosse programs and a popular podcast. Neil, a 1992 grad, reflects on following in the footsteps of stellar players from Moses Brown and pushing himself to excellence in both offensive and defensive roles. The episode highlights their early inspirations, coaching influences, and the importance of true grit and mindset in the game, punctuated by humorous anecdotes and heartfelt memories of their lacrosse experiences. If you enjoy this episode please subscribe, leave a quick review, and tell a friend, to help our podcast grow!
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Jay (00:00):
It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you
all the people and stuff youshould know.
In the game of lacrosse, we takeLAX seriously, but ourselves,
not so much.
Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird,and the biggest names in the
game.
Brought to you by Jay McMahonlacrosse.
That's J M L Skills, mindset,and LAX IQ training.
(00:23):
Ron Doish, the big dog, was acollegiate football and lacrosse
player at Brown.
He was also an assistantlacrosse coach and the executive
director of the sports found.
and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, athree time All-American
Midfielder Brown.
He was a captain of the USJunior National team and is the
founder of J M L.
And joining us in the studio,Steve gfi, who's collegiate
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lacrosse career statisticsequals one goal against
Dartmouth.
Brought to you by Jay McMahonlacrosse.
That's J M L Skills, mindset,and LAX IQ training.
Helping the next generationcross players.
Get to the next level.
Well, ladies and gentlemen,welcome to season three of get
the lax scoop.
It must be time for lacrossebecause I was out there freezing
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my ass off yesterday.
Nothing like the spring sport oflacrosse in February in new
England, but Jay, it does bringa certain level of excitement
and energy that it does.
I can't believe it's seasonthree job.
I can't believe I've lasted thislong with you.
I can't either.
I can't believe I've lasted aslong.
Again, we were talking aboutthis leash I'm trying to keep
(01:28):
you on.
It's, it's, it's tattered.
It's threadbare.
I think it's going to snap, butthat's okay.
Get the goddamn episode started,Jay.
Let's go.
All right.
Can you give us a lead inplease, Ron?
Just kick off season three.
What the fuck did you think thatwas?
I want better.
Guys.
Come on.
I had the whole All right.
All right.
(01:49):
I got it.
I got it.
Our first guest is a 1989graduate of Brown University.
As a senior, he was an AllAmerican selection and earned
many honors as a team captain,including first team All Ivy and
team offensive MVP.
In addition to his impressivesenior season, he was also
tabbed All Ivy in 1987 and 1988and is a member of the Brown
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Athletics Hall of Fame.
After college, he playedprofessionally for the Boston
Blazers of the major indoorlacrosse league and was voted
all club and club all star.
He began his collegiate coachingcareer at Colorado College as an
assistant in 1990 where theTigers went 14 and two and won
the Rocky Mountain Championship.
The following year, he returnedto the Ivy League to become the
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head assistant coach at Yale, aposition he held through the
1998 season.
With the Bulldogs, he guided theprogram to great success, and in
1996, he was honored with theJay Gallagher Award for the
Assistant Coach of the Year bythe U.
S.
ILA.
He proceeded to become theUniversity of Denver's head
coach in their first Division Iseason in 1999.
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He led the Pioneers to the NCAAtournament in 2006 and 2008.
In his 11 years at Denver, heled the team to four great
Western lacrosse leaguechampionships, outdoing the
likes of Notre Dame and OhioState.
He also was named theconference's Coach of the Year
in 2000 and 2006.
After the 2009 season, hestepped down as head coach at
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Denver and started 3D, one ofthe first national travel
lacrosse programs.
He also spent time as a coloranalyst for international and
collegiate lacrosse coverage onESPNU.
Since 2017, he's focused hisefforts on building JM3.
One of the largest and mostsuccessful digital training
programs for players and coachesin the country.
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And also since 2017, he's hadone of the most popular podcasts
in the sport calledPhilacrosophy or something like
that, which can be found onApple podcasts and SoundCloud.
Please welcome the one, the onlyJamie Monroe.
What's up guys.
Thanks for having me.
Jamie.
Great to have you.
Thanks for coming on.
Great to have you.
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Now, let me introduce our secondguest.
Doug, could you please introduceour second guest?
Thank you.
Just as I was saying, Jay, thankyou.
I'm introducing our secondguest.
He's a 1992 graduate of BrownUniversity where he was a two
time captain, went to three NCAAtournaments, and was a two time
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All Ivy selection.
That, I like to think of, wasduring the heyday.
Of Brown lacrosse.
It was a tremendous era.
I'd say so.
Happened just after our otherguest left, Brown, I might add.
Amen.
Just to start things off.
Get the, get our two guestscomparing eras.
Now one of the coolest thingsabout this guest and I don't
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know if there's ever been anyoneelse in college lacrosse ever to
have the distinction of being ateam offensive MVP and a team
defensive MVP.
It's unbelievable.
It is unbelievable.
But when you think about that hehad midfielders like Andy Towers
and Jay McMahon constantlyturning the ball over in the
middle of the field, it gave hima lot of opportunities to have
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to get his ass back there andride the ball back.
You know, stick to the script.
Now this guest was inducted aspart of the 1991 Brown squad
into the Brown Athletic Hall ofFame.
He was one of three captains onthat team as a junior and was
that was the only Brown team inhistory to have an undefeated
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regular season and was that teamwas ranked as high as.
number two in the country thanksto this guest's leadership and
ability.
Now, as our first guest, he wasalso a graduate of Moses Brown
School where he earned threevarsity letters each in lacrosse
and soccer.
He was selected to play in theNational North South All Star
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game and was named a high schoolAll American.
Our two guests are also bothpart of the Moses Brown Athletic
Hall of Fame.
He has stayed involved in thegame and is currently a youth
coach.
And at Sun Valley lacrosse inthe state of Idaho, please
welcome Jamie's younger and moreathletic brother, Neil Monroe,
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our second guest, Neil, welcome.
Welcome.
Hey guys.
Thanks for having me.
Awesome.
Thanks for coming on.
Now let's get things startedhere, Jay, Jamie, we're going to
start if you would let theeldest go first.
Now, Jamie.
As the older brother of thisduo, we'd love to know, as we do
with all our guests, like, youknow, we've known you guys for a
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long time, but we always neverknow like where it started.
So when did you first like pickup a lacrosse stick and where
did your passion, lifelongpassion for the game first begin
as a wee lad?
Well, sometime around, sometimein the middle of April when I
was in fifth grade, my parentswent out and we had our
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babysitter from down the street,this guy named John Montgomery,
and he played lacrosse at MosesBrown.
It was probably about, I don'tknow, middle of high school or
something like that.
And he had, he had two lacrossesticks and he brought, he
brought them both over.
One was a really nice littleSammy with those, remember those
like circular.
shafts.
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Oh yeah.
I remember the same.
And and he had another one, hehad a barn and he was like,
yeah, you can check out thestick.
And he handed it to me and Iimmediately like put it in my
left hand.
He's like, no, no, no, no.
Like this.
And he's about to put it on myright hand.
Then I was like, no, no, no, no,no.
I think it's better over here.
And then And that was it.
I was a lefty.
We started messing around and wejoined mini lacrosse.
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We went down to Thayer Street,to Ashby Dean, the little sports
store.
And I got myself super light toored with yellow mesh and you
know, got beautiful yellow mesh.
And next thing you know, we wereplaying lacrosse for, mini
lacrosse was the name of theprogram.
And it was kind of a sweetlittle program.
It was like a house leaguefeeder into Moses Brown and,
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even though lacrosse in thosedays was literally March, April,
May, and that was it, we werekind of hooked.
That's awesome.
Beautiful.
I had a super light too as well.
And a Sam.
I remember those, those oldsticks were beautiful.
And Neil, how about you?
I'd imagine being in the samehouse as Jamie.
Jamie probably had something todo with you getting into the
game.
But you tell us, how did yourlacrosse journey begin way back
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when?
Yeah, 100%.
So we had actually moved fromRumford, Rhode Island to the
east side of Providence, onlythree miles.
But so I lost all my friendsthat I could walk around to.
And this mini lacrosse leaguewas starting and my mom thought
it would be a good idea to stickme in.
Mini lacrosse was 3rd to 6thgrade.
We had been hockey players, sowe were wearing like our hockey
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gloves and our hockey arm pads.
We had our new super lights.
And to be honest, I was juststanding there like a deer in
headlight as these like 6thgraders were running by me and I
had no idea what was going on.
Initially, I was more into kindof playing like Superman or
making potions.
And Jamie used to make fun of mefor that.
As I get a little bit older,started to see some improvement
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and then we really got hooked.
And mini lacrosse was literallythe thing they had games on
weekends, practice on maybeTuesday and Wednesday nights,
and everybody would go to theMoses Brown fields and was all
in and super competitive from ayoung age, and it literally just
kind of sparked that interest.
And you look at the great MosesBrown players who went on to
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Brown, they were part of minilacrosse too.
Right.
So it was mini lacrosse, likejust young kids, or was it also
on a smaller field?
Like, how did they do it?
No, it was only mini because ofyoung kids, not smaller fields.
We had six by six.
It would divide you intodifferent groups and teams.
The founder of the program,Wayne Curtis, who went down to
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the Hill School in Pennsylvania.
I did most of the gear ifneeded.
So he had helmets for everybody.
It was a, it was a really coolprogram back in that time.
It was almost ahead of its time.
I would say.
Totally.
It's interesting.
Cause you know, I'm from gardencity, high school, big hot bed,
but we didn't have youthlacrosse until.
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I mean, I was out of highschool, so like I didn't start
until junior high, so goodstuff.
I mean, I figured there wassomething going on there,
because this is leading into thenext question.
You know, Jamie, we're gonnajump to your high school years,
and you know, since we knowTommy Gagnon, obviously, three
time All American at Brown, wasfrom Moses Brown, and I think he
was a senior, maybe, when youwere a freshman, and then you
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had Bernie Bonanno a year aheadof you, another Brown Hall of
Famer.
So tell us what your high schoolexperience was like and very
interesting to hear that youguys had that great youth
experience, you know, leadinginto it.
Yeah, well, the guy who ran theyouth program was the head high
school coach, this guy H.
Wayne Curtis.
And yeah, my freshman year,Tommy Gagnon was like my hero
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and was you know, he had like120 points in 13 games.
The team was undefeated.
And and actually like I was afreshman.
And at that time, you know, inthose days you were just like,
you know, probably maybe thesame now, but I was just pretty
much, you know, picked on by allthe older guys, but Tom Gagnon
was always really nice.
He was like the best guy in theworld.
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But yeah, it was like a reallyfun to look up to that and to
that level of play.
And then to watch him go, Iremember really watching him go
off to, you know, Brown and justcrush it like immediately was
sick.
And then Bernie and I, Bernielived down the street from me.
We, we, we'd known each other,but we came really tight over
the years when we playedtogether.
And then we obviously got toplay.
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I got to play with those guys,both in high school and college.
And it was it was, it was reallyspecial.
And there was a really greatheritage of Moses Brown kids.
I mean, Tad Barros was a IvyLeague player of the year.
At and Wentz Brown and is a Hallof Famer and, and then, you
know, you know, Neil and justthe list, there's like a lot of
guys that kind of went fromWentz Brown to Brown and it was
kind of a cool little tradition.
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It was very different, though.
We weren't really thinking aboutBrown.
I mean, we weren't thinkingabout college lacrosse nowadays.
Everyone was just thinking aboutgetting recruited.
I mean, we were just playinglacrosse and just having fun.
And I don't know, it was, it wasdifferent, but it was, it was a
blast.
Right.
Yeah.
I remember those days.
We were just playing, looking tobe as good as we could be kind
of thing.
And college lacrosse wasn'treally a thought until senior
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year and coaches started.
Sending stuff in the mail.
So yeah, definitely a differenttime.
No doubt.
And Neil, how about you?
I mean, you know, you're, you'refollowing in the footsteps of
what had become.
a pretty incredible tradition ofattack man, Moses Brown you
know, in the years just beforeyou.
So do you remember that?
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And do you remember sort of thisemerging tradition of, of great
players at Moses Brown who weregoing on to Brown and, you know,
we've had.
Guys from most brown go on toSyracuse and other places.
I mean, there were some greatplayers in that era who were
playing at the highest levelafter Moses Brown.
Yeah, it was incredible.
I mean, Jamie talked about gags.
He was the nicest guy.
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I used to ball boy for MosesBrown when he was that stud
attack, man, he would be in themiddle of a close game.
The ball would go out of boundsand he'd be like, Hey Neil,
what's up?
You know?
And he would always like, youknow, he was just such a good,
solid guy.
And then seeing Bernie kind ofthat next level.
And then Jamie.
What it did is it really justdrove me, you know, and I wanted
to actually be better.
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I wanted more than 120 points,you know, I wanted to be a
better righty than gags.
And so it was the thing thatkind of got me up.
I used to go and do wall ball inthe morning before school.
I'd shoot around with Nickreader.
Former Brown walk on.
If you guys remember, we wouldshoot before school and it was
literally because we wanted tobe the next Brown duo to follow
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in the footsteps of these guys,and it was pretty awesome.
I did not beat gags as pointrecord, just so you know.
But as far as for people who maynot know, Neil was, you know,
it's starting to, scrappiesthuman being I'd ever seen in my
entire life.
I mean, I thought Sam Jacksonwas pretty scrappy.
I thought I could be a littlescrappy, but Neil, I guess,
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cause he was the younger brotherlooking up to all these guys.
He was the all time scrappiest.
And that's probably why he wasoffensive and defensive MVP in
one year.
So pretty cool.
Sorry, Ron, I went off script.
I know you hate that.
Jay, I love it, Jay.
It's all about engaging theguests and their memories and,
you know, their place in thegame.
Jay, you don't get that off thescript.
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You get that in engaging.
I'm learning.
How about if we transition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
As offensive and defensive BrownMVP Neil Monroe just said.
True grit can be the key tolacrosse success for any and
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every player.
Toughness in lacrosse isn'tabout physical strength.
It's about a mindset, a state ofbeing that every player must
choose.
True grit is the ability to pushforward, no matter the
obstacles.
Getting back up after a hardhit.
And to keep playing with fullintensity, even when exhausted.
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It's not something you're bornwith, it's something you build,
one tough decision at a time.
And it all starts with apreordained decision to be tough
in every situation that presentsitself, no matter what.
When a player commits totoughness, it becomes a habit.
They stop making excuses.
Stop fearing mistakes and startembracing challenges, whether
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it's fighting for a ground ball,bouncing back from a bad game or
pushing through toughconditioning drills.
A gritty player refuses to backdown.
They develop resilience, mentaltoughness and the confidence to
handle adversity.
The benefits are undeniable.
Players with grit improvefaster, compete harder, and they
will And ultimately exceed theirown limitations.
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They don't let setbacks definethem.
They use them as fuel to grow.
Without this mindset, manyplayers hold themselves back.
They hesitate.
They give in to fatigue.
And their performance suffers.
Future NFL Hall of Famequarterback Tom Brady understood
this concept better than anyone.
He believed that as long as hedidn't give up on himself, his
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teammates, or in any situation,then he did not fail, regardless
of the outcome.
In many, many situations.
Such as excruciatingconditioning drills, or after
sailing an easy pass, or in thetoughest game moments, he would
repeat to himself, Don't quit.
Can't fail.
Don't quit.
Can't fail.
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These words carried him throughadversity and pushed him to
legendary greatness.
Lacrosse is a game of speed,skill, and endurance, but above
all else, it's a game of heart.
The toughest players are theones who rise to the occasion,
no matter the odds.
True Grit isn't just a tool forsuccess, it's the foundation for
greatness.
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Sounds like if players make thedecision to be tough all the
time, it could be one of thebest decisions they ever make.
Now we will return to ourinterview and you will find that
interview picking right up wherewe left off.
So Neil, who were who elsebeyond, you know, these guys
that we know were some of yourinfluences kind of growing up
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and who were the guys on yourteams at Moses Brown that were
pushing you once these guysmoved on?
And what was it like to take onthat mantle of leadership?
You know?
Yeah, no, it was awesome.
So as I mentioned, Wayne Curtiswas our first, my first big
inspiration.
And then the second one was ourhigh school coach, a guy named
Rob Hollis.
He played soccer and lacrosse atTabor Academy in Massachusetts.
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He actually played both sportsat Carolina.
Super knowledgeable, experiencedand passionate lacrosse player.
And he really pushed me pushedJamie, pushed all of us.
He was a pain in the ass too.
I mean, he wrote us really hard,those old days and styles of
coaching where at times I'd walkto the other side of the field,
just so I wouldn't hear himyelling in my ear.
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But he made me better and hemade me tougher.
And so I owe a lot to him interms of like collegiately, we
didn't have the opportunity towatch all these games, but there
was a midfielder named DellDressel, four time first team,
all American.
And I had a poster of him in myroom and I wanted to be like
Dell.
I wore the double pad.
You guys remember I went withthat back to Dell and he was
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kind of the main inspiration interms of like that collegiate
player and being at his level.
And then I was really fortunate.
We had a goalie named GregBaldwin and Greg was an all
American goalie for Moses Brown,who was really passionate and
committed to lacrosse.
And the two of us together setout a goal to become all
Americans in high school and toplay in college.
Greg went on to play at Wesleyanand we pushed and competed
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against each other.
I shot on him all the time afterpractice.
And so it was a really good,just kind of back and forth.
And we were challenging eachother to make the offense better
and the defense better.
So lots of different inputs,obviously.
And then having those guysacross the street.
You know, Moses Brown game fieldand Brown game field are
literally a block away.
So being able to walk over thereand see all these greats at
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Brown was really helpful.
And Jay, you know, I just wantto, I want to point out, having
been in Rhode Island a long timemyself, these, these two guys
that Neil and Jamie arementioning, Wayne Curtis and Rob
Hollis.
Those two, for so many peopleI've heard about growing up in
Rhode Island, those were two ofthe guys who really grew the
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game, not just at Moses Brown,but all over.
And you know, we guys on ourpodcast, it's been kind of fun.
We feel like we've.
You know, run across so manypeople who have told these
stories of growing up.
And there, there are alwaysthose one or two people in each
community who are kind of, youknow, the catalyst for changing
the game and growingparticipation.
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And so I want to just shout outagain to Rob Hollis and Wayne
Curtis, who were two amazingpeople in the, in the sport of
lacrosse in Rhode Island.
Wayne Curtis ended up leavingright after my freshman year.
He left for the Hill School andthen Rob took over.
One of the awesome things aboutRob though was that he always
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just wanted to play with you.
And so like in those days, itwas, there was so much free play
going on and Rob was also thesoccer coach.
So he was our soccer coach, but,or, and, and, and was the
assistant or whatever, but hewas involved with both programs,
but so much of the free playthough, we just like messed
around and, and, and Rob wouldcome play with us.
He would like literally just beplaying.
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Whatever little game we wereplaying, you know, at any time.
And we used to call him HackerHollis'cause he would like Outra
and, That's awesome.
He was he was a real beauty.
Yeah.
And he did, he he made a bigdifference in lacrosse.
That's great.
RIP Rob Hollis.
Yeah.
R Gotcha, gotcha.
Alright.
B and Wayne.
Curtis, we, we used to go downand play the Hill School, so he
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went, he was the head coach atthe Hill School.
Yep.
Ah, and then he was, he ran thetryout at the Hill School for
the U 19 USA team.
That I tried out for way backone, another connection.
Ron loves these connections tothat small world team.
It also was the founder of theCocoa Beach spring break
lacrosse that went on for years,probably 30 years of spring
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break down there.
Wow.
In fact, I mean, I, we went downto his spring break.
I'm pretty sure you do likefantasy camp down there.
I remember seeing some stuffonline about that.
Didn't you do that?
I ended up kind of doing thatmyself with 3D.
But but just back in the day, wegot some good memories that
we're not going to get into.
Oh, Jamie, trust me.
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We had to edit our questionssignificantly.
Stays on spring break.
It's kind of like what happensin the brother's bar stays in
the brother's Absolutely.
I like it.
So now, Jamie, as we Reviewthere.
You had a great career at Brownand talk about playing for some
great coaches.
Played for Dom Starcia, MikeCaravana, Pete Lasagna.
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Paul Hooper.
Paul Hooper.
Absolutely.
The Hooper was a great coach.
Hooper had played at WashingtonCollege and had been an
assistant at Carolina, and hecame up and was one of my
coaches as I was two yearsbehind Jamie and so much
knowledge of the game.
Absolutely.
So tell us some of your topmemories playing for those
coaches and your fellow Bears.
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And then we'll take it fromthere.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, Brown lacrosse wasjust an incredible time, you
know, of our lives.
I mean, just the camaraderie.
The competition lacrosse ingeneral.
I mean, it's funny.
It's so again, it's so differentnow than it was then I mean, I
was like way more of a soccerplayer to be honest with you.
I wasn't even lacrosse wasn'treally my It was my favorite
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sport in March, April and May,but I was really played way more
soccer.
And then all of a suddenlacrosse hit, I started getting
recruited by Dom.
You know, he didn't, he's anunbelievable recruiter and sort
of like relationship builder inthe recruiting process.
And, you know, you get your loveletters from him he's a, he's a
volume guy, like love Dom andjust like nonstop stuff.
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And, you know, Pete's.
Passion for the game and his,you know, remember the video he
made, you remember that?
Like look brown lacrosse videothat he was Oh yeah.
He just did another one.
I dunno if you guys saw that.
The brown lacrosse.
Yeah.
It was awesome.
Came out and it was narrated.
Yeah.
And, and then you know, just.
The way that Dom just kind oflike really got, got the energy
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behind that program and thepassion with Brown lacrosse with
a passion.
You remember the t shirts,right?
Oh, I mean, it was, it was ablast and, and, and just the,
the guys, the coat, the, thelevel of play, you know, you
remember Everything about it.
It was just a total blast.
In my caravana I mean he waslike this guy came up from
virginia ended up having a greatcareer as a head coach at
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denison for a lot Of years wasthe assistant with us that He
was he really like was tough onus in the early years.
But yeah Because he was a bigtime attackman at uva.
So what was it like having thatkind of influence?
He was getting in your guy'sface a little bit.
He just He played a verydifferent way.
I mean, he's a Sawanika guy, wasa little guy, like straight up
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and down, you know, played witha Sammy and just was like, you
know, this more like a DarrenLowe sort of type of a player
and that was not how I played.
Gags was probably a little bitcloser.
To that, but I was like, play alittle more dangle and but at
the end of the day though learna lot from him and and have
remained friends with him.
I keep in touch with my caravan,so it's, it's, it's really been
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it's been great.
I mean, the brown memories.
You know, our, our memories of alifetime, just the best.
Right.
And it's true with the passionthing.
Like Dom's taking all theseyoung guys, you know, just
filled with energy and justencouraging that.
So, you know, it was high energywhen I got there as a freshman,
I was like, holy cow, you know,it was great.
High energy on the field, highenergy off the field.
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Energy everywhere.
It was endless.
Hey, Jeremy, you know, I mean,you, you basically have been.
You know, I, I, I always thinkabout like, I don't think your
brain ever turns off fromlacrosse.
Like, you just seem like you'realways thinking the game and
that's always the way you'vebeen.
But I'm wondering, you know,you, you kind of been a lifelong
coach and teacher of the game.
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What, I always think like everycoach you're with kind of
influences your style a littlebit.
So when you think about thosecoaches, how do you think those
guys impacted you as you movedon to your?
Yeah, well, I mean, I'd say withDom, it was just, I mean, he
really I, I, what I learned fromDom, so, so much of what I
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learned from Dom was about,about how to kind of just sort
of run a program with that kindof passion and dedication.
His work ethic was unparalleled.
His recruiting was incredible.
The way he evaluated playerstoo, I would always learn from
Dom the way that he.
He was always looking forsomething really special in a
player, and he knew it could bedifferent.
(25:51):
And he would see somethingspecial and athletic, and he
would look for that player thathe could develop.
And it wasn't always just pureathleticism.
I mean, it had to do with, like,you know, a presence to that
player, or something that theydid really, something they did
better than anybody else.
And it was a really interestingway of kind of looking at it.
You know, thinking back tohoops, I mean, the way that That
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Paul Hooper was able to likecreate a relationship with an
individual player and findsomething that that player Could
really be be excellent at andspecial with he would come up to
me like hey three Three he wouldcall you by your number.
He'd be like hey three I gotlike what do you got hoops?
He'd be like, you know, trythis, you know, try posting up
and then just sort of like Youknow, think about shooting a
(26:35):
backhand and slide it off the,slide it off the side of your
stick.
And he's like, but don't tellDom I told you that.
Right.
Right.
Right.
You know, and, Was he the onewho told you to fake the shot?
You faked a couple shots, likefaked them behind the back, and
then you ran around and scored acouple times.
I came up with that littlebehind the back fake in a, in a,
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in a, in a tight one on onesetup that we were doing one day
against Greg Starkins on theroof.
Yeah.
And this was like, I was justgood there and Starkins like
turn around and I was like, ha,I'm just like, it's pretty
funny.
But that happened in the Cordellgame.
I think when I was a freshman,you did that.
And I remember being like,Jamie, it didn't work, move the
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ball.
And you waited a little longerand everyone was looking around
the field.
No one knew where the ball was.
It went forever.
And then finally your defensemanlooked and you ran around and
scored.
It was whole.
Do you remember that?
That was hilarious.
It was called John.
Yeah.
We just kind of like pretend youdon't have to take a step.
Like you're a little bit tipsy,but that was hilarious.
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So Jamie, that's like, move theball.
And he's like, no, no, I didn'tdo the drunk step yet.
All right, Neil, enough, Jamie,Neil, enough, Jamie, let's get,
let's, let's get to you.
All right.
As I mentioned, I, you know, oneof the fun things about this
podcast is like, you know, youknow, guys forever, you play
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with them, but it's not likeyou're really asked these kinds
of questions.
So, you know, thinking back oflike you being that we talked
about you being, you know, ateam defensive and offensive
MVP, how, how did you becomethat player?
How did Neil Munro become thatguy?
It sure makes you wonder.
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In order to find out, staytuned, Lackscoopers, and join us
next week for a big reveal.
Ron (28:28):
until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine.
We're signing off here at theGet the LAX coop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
It's time for get the La Scoop, a podcast bringing you
all the people and stuff youshould know.
In the game of lacrosse, we takeLAX seriously, but ourselves,
not so much.
Join hosts, big Dog and Jaybird,and the biggest names in the
game.
Brought to you by Jay McMahonlacrosse.
That's J M L Skills, mindset,and LAX IQ training.
(00:23):
Ron Doish, the big dog, was acollegiate football and lacrosse
player at Brown.
He was also an assistantlacrosse coach and the executive
director of the sports found.
and Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, athree time All-American
Midfielder Brown.
He was a captain of the USJunior National team and is the
founder of J M L.
And joining us in the studio,Steve gfi, who's collegiate
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lacrosse career statisticsequals one goal against
Dartmouth.
Brought to you by Jay McMahonlacrosse.
That's J M L Skills, mindset,and LAX IQ training.
Helping the next generationcross players.
Get to the next level.
Well, ladies and gentlemen,welcome to season three of get
the lax scoop.
It must be time for lacrossebecause I was out there freezing
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my ass off yesterday.
Nothing like the spring sport oflacrosse in February in new
England, but Jay, it does bringa certain level of excitement
and energy that it does.
I can't believe it's seasonthree job.
I can't believe I've lasted thislong with you.
I can't either.
I can't believe I've lasted aslong.
Again, we were talking aboutthis leash I'm trying to keep
(01:28):
you on.
It's, it's, it's tattered.
It's threadbare.
I think it's going to snap, butthat's okay.
Get the goddamn episode started,Jay.
Let's go.
All right.
Can you give us a lead inplease, Ron?
Just kick off season three.
What the fuck did you think thatwas?
I want better.
Guys.
Come on.
I had the whole All right.
All right.
(01:49):
I got it.
I got it.
Our first guest is a 1989graduate of Brown University.
As a senior, he was an AllAmerican selection and earned
many honors as a team captain,including first team All Ivy and
team offensive MVP.
In addition to his impressivesenior season, he was also
tabbed All Ivy in 1987 and 1988and is a member of the Brown
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Athletics Hall of Fame.
After college, he playedprofessionally for the Boston
Blazers of the major indoorlacrosse league and was voted
all club and club all star.
He began his collegiate coachingcareer at Colorado College as an
assistant in 1990 where theTigers went 14 and two and won
the Rocky Mountain Championship.
The following year, he returnedto the Ivy League to become the
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head assistant coach at Yale, aposition he held through the
1998 season.
With the Bulldogs, he guided theprogram to great success, and in
1996, he was honored with theJay Gallagher Award for the
Assistant Coach of the Year bythe U.
S.
ILA.
He proceeded to become theUniversity of Denver's head
coach in their first Division Iseason in 1999.
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He led the Pioneers to the NCAAtournament in 2006 and 2008.
In his 11 years at Denver, heled the team to four great
Western lacrosse leaguechampionships, outdoing the
likes of Notre Dame and OhioState.
He also was named theconference's Coach of the Year
in 2000 and 2006.
After the 2009 season, hestepped down as head coach at
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Denver and started 3D, one ofthe first national travel
lacrosse programs.
He also spent time as a coloranalyst for international and
collegiate lacrosse coverage onESPNU.
Since 2017, he's focused hisefforts on building JM3.
One of the largest and mostsuccessful digital training
programs for players and coachesin the country.
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And also since 2017, he's hadone of the most popular podcasts
in the sport calledPhilacrosophy or something like
that, which can be found onApple podcasts and SoundCloud.
Please welcome the one, the onlyJamie Monroe.
What's up guys.
Thanks for having me.
Jamie.
Great to have you.
Thanks for coming on.
Great to have you.
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Now, let me introduce our secondguest.
Doug, could you please introduceour second guest?
Thank you.
Just as I was saying, Jay, thankyou.
I'm introducing our secondguest.
He's a 1992 graduate of BrownUniversity where he was a two
time captain, went to three NCAAtournaments, and was a two time
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All Ivy selection.
That, I like to think of, wasduring the heyday.
Of Brown lacrosse.
It was a tremendous era.
I'd say so.
Happened just after our otherguest left, Brown, I might add.
Amen.
Just to start things off.
Get the, get our two guestscomparing eras.
Now one of the coolest thingsabout this guest and I don't
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know if there's ever been anyoneelse in college lacrosse ever to
have the distinction of being ateam offensive MVP and a team
defensive MVP.
It's unbelievable.
It is unbelievable.
But when you think about that hehad midfielders like Andy Towers
and Jay McMahon constantlyturning the ball over in the
middle of the field, it gave hima lot of opportunities to have
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to get his ass back there andride the ball back.
You know, stick to the script.
Now this guest was inducted aspart of the 1991 Brown squad
into the Brown Athletic Hall ofFame.
He was one of three captains onthat team as a junior and was
that was the only Brown team inhistory to have an undefeated
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regular season and was that teamwas ranked as high as.
number two in the country thanksto this guest's leadership and
ability.
Now, as our first guest, he wasalso a graduate of Moses Brown
School where he earned threevarsity letters each in lacrosse
and soccer.
He was selected to play in theNational North South All Star
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game and was named a high schoolAll American.
Our two guests are also bothpart of the Moses Brown Athletic
Hall of Fame.
He has stayed involved in thegame and is currently a youth
coach.
And at Sun Valley lacrosse inthe state of Idaho, please
welcome Jamie's younger and moreathletic brother, Neil Monroe,
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our second guest, Neil, welcome.
Welcome.
Hey guys.
Thanks for having me.
Awesome.
Thanks for coming on.
Now let's get things startedhere, Jay, Jamie, we're going to
start if you would let theeldest go first.
Now, Jamie.
As the older brother of thisduo, we'd love to know, as we do
with all our guests, like, youknow, we've known you guys for a
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long time, but we always neverknow like where it started.
So when did you first like pickup a lacrosse stick and where
did your passion, lifelongpassion for the game first begin
as a wee lad?
Well, sometime around, sometimein the middle of April when I
was in fifth grade, my parentswent out and we had our
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babysitter from down the street,this guy named John Montgomery,
and he played lacrosse at MosesBrown.
It was probably about, I don'tknow, middle of high school or
something like that.
And he had, he had two lacrossesticks and he brought, he
brought them both over.
One was a really nice littleSammy with those, remember those
like circular.
shafts.
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Oh yeah.
I remember the same.
And and he had another one, hehad a barn and he was like,
yeah, you can check out thestick.
And he handed it to me and Iimmediately like put it in my
left hand.
He's like, no, no, no, no.
Like this.
And he's about to put it on myright hand.
Then I was like, no, no, no, no,no.
I think it's better over here.
And then And that was it.
I was a lefty.
We started messing around and wejoined mini lacrosse.
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We went down to Thayer Street,to Ashby Dean, the little sports
store.
And I got myself super light toored with yellow mesh and you
know, got beautiful yellow mesh.
And next thing you know, we wereplaying lacrosse for, mini
lacrosse was the name of theprogram.
And it was kind of a sweetlittle program.
It was like a house leaguefeeder into Moses Brown and,
(08:00):
even though lacrosse in thosedays was literally March, April,
May, and that was it, we werekind of hooked.
That's awesome.
Beautiful.
I had a super light too as well.
And a Sam.
I remember those, those oldsticks were beautiful.
And Neil, how about you?
I'd imagine being in the samehouse as Jamie.
Jamie probably had something todo with you getting into the
game.
But you tell us, how did yourlacrosse journey begin way back
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when?
Yeah, 100%.
So we had actually moved fromRumford, Rhode Island to the
east side of Providence, onlythree miles.
But so I lost all my friendsthat I could walk around to.
And this mini lacrosse leaguewas starting and my mom thought
it would be a good idea to stickme in.
Mini lacrosse was 3rd to 6thgrade.
We had been hockey players, sowe were wearing like our hockey
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gloves and our hockey arm pads.
We had our new super lights.
And to be honest, I was juststanding there like a deer in
headlight as these like 6thgraders were running by me and I
had no idea what was going on.
Initially, I was more into kindof playing like Superman or
making potions.
And Jamie used to make fun of mefor that.
As I get a little bit older,started to see some improvement
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and then we really got hooked.
And mini lacrosse was literallythe thing they had games on
weekends, practice on maybeTuesday and Wednesday nights,
and everybody would go to theMoses Brown fields and was all
in and super competitive from ayoung age, and it literally just
kind of sparked that interest.
And you look at the great MosesBrown players who went on to
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Brown, they were part of minilacrosse too.
Right.
So it was mini lacrosse, likejust young kids, or was it also
on a smaller field?
Like, how did they do it?
No, it was only mini because ofyoung kids, not smaller fields.
We had six by six.
It would divide you intodifferent groups and teams.
The founder of the program,Wayne Curtis, who went down to
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the Hill School in Pennsylvania.
I did most of the gear ifneeded.
So he had helmets for everybody.
It was a, it was a really coolprogram back in that time.
It was almost ahead of its time.
I would say.
Totally.
It's interesting.
Cause you know, I'm from gardencity, high school, big hot bed,
but we didn't have youthlacrosse until.
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I mean, I was out of highschool, so like I didn't start
until junior high, so goodstuff.
I mean, I figured there wassomething going on there,
because this is leading into thenext question.
You know, Jamie, we're gonnajump to your high school years,
and you know, since we knowTommy Gagnon, obviously, three
time All American at Brown, wasfrom Moses Brown, and I think he
was a senior, maybe, when youwere a freshman, and then you
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had Bernie Bonanno a year aheadof you, another Brown Hall of
Famer.
So tell us what your high schoolexperience was like and very
interesting to hear that youguys had that great youth
experience, you know, leadinginto it.
Yeah, well, the guy who ran theyouth program was the head high
school coach, this guy H.
Wayne Curtis.
And yeah, my freshman year,Tommy Gagnon was like my hero
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and was you know, he had like120 points in 13 games.
The team was undefeated.
And and actually like I was afreshman.
And at that time, you know, inthose days you were just like,
you know, probably maybe thesame now, but I was just pretty
much, you know, picked on by allthe older guys, but Tom Gagnon
was always really nice.
He was like the best guy in theworld.
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But yeah, it was like a reallyfun to look up to that and to
that level of play.
And then to watch him go, Iremember really watching him go
off to, you know, Brown and justcrush it like immediately was
sick.
And then Bernie and I, Bernielived down the street from me.
We, we, we'd known each other,but we came really tight over
the years when we playedtogether.
And then we obviously got toplay.
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I got to play with those guys,both in high school and college.
And it was it was, it was reallyspecial.
And there was a really greatheritage of Moses Brown kids.
I mean, Tad Barros was a IvyLeague player of the year.
At and Wentz Brown and is a Hallof Famer and, and then, you
know, you know, Neil and justthe list, there's like a lot of
guys that kind of went fromWentz Brown to Brown and it was
kind of a cool little tradition.
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It was very different, though.
We weren't really thinking aboutBrown.
I mean, we weren't thinkingabout college lacrosse nowadays.
Everyone was just thinking aboutgetting recruited.
I mean, we were just playinglacrosse and just having fun.
And I don't know, it was, it wasdifferent, but it was, it was a
blast.
Right.
Yeah.
I remember those days.
We were just playing, looking tobe as good as we could be kind
of thing.
And college lacrosse wasn'treally a thought until senior
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year and coaches started.
Sending stuff in the mail.
So yeah, definitely a differenttime.
No doubt.
And Neil, how about you?
I mean, you know, you're, you'refollowing in the footsteps of
what had become.
a pretty incredible tradition ofattack man, Moses Brown you
know, in the years just beforeyou.
So do you remember that?
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And do you remember sort of thisemerging tradition of, of great
players at Moses Brown who weregoing on to Brown and, you know,
we've had.
Guys from most brown go on toSyracuse and other places.
I mean, there were some greatplayers in that era who were
playing at the highest levelafter Moses Brown.
Yeah, it was incredible.
I mean, Jamie talked about gags.
He was the nicest guy.
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I used to ball boy for MosesBrown when he was that stud
attack, man, he would be in themiddle of a close game.
The ball would go out of boundsand he'd be like, Hey Neil,
what's up?
You know?
And he would always like, youknow, he was just such a good,
solid guy.
And then seeing Bernie kind ofthat next level.
And then Jamie.
What it did is it really justdrove me, you know, and I wanted
to actually be better.
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I wanted more than 120 points,you know, I wanted to be a
better righty than gags.
And so it was the thing thatkind of got me up.
I used to go and do wall ball inthe morning before school.
I'd shoot around with Nickreader.
Former Brown walk on.
If you guys remember, we wouldshoot before school and it was
literally because we wanted tobe the next Brown duo to follow
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in the footsteps of these guys,and it was pretty awesome.
I did not beat gags as pointrecord, just so you know.
But as far as for people who maynot know, Neil was, you know,
it's starting to, scrappiesthuman being I'd ever seen in my
entire life.
I mean, I thought Sam Jacksonwas pretty scrappy.
I thought I could be a littlescrappy, but Neil, I guess,
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cause he was the younger brotherlooking up to all these guys.
He was the all time scrappiest.
And that's probably why he wasoffensive and defensive MVP in
one year.
So pretty cool.
Sorry, Ron, I went off script.
I know you hate that.
Jay, I love it, Jay.
It's all about engaging theguests and their memories and,
you know, their place in thegame.
Jay, you don't get that off thescript.
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You get that in engaging.
I'm learning.
How about if we transition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
As offensive and defensive BrownMVP Neil Monroe just said.
True grit can be the key tolacrosse success for any and
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every player.
Toughness in lacrosse isn'tabout physical strength.
It's about a mindset, a state ofbeing that every player must
choose.
True grit is the ability to pushforward, no matter the
obstacles.
Getting back up after a hardhit.
And to keep playing with fullintensity, even when exhausted.
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It's not something you're bornwith, it's something you build,
one tough decision at a time.
And it all starts with apreordained decision to be tough
in every situation that presentsitself, no matter what.
When a player commits totoughness, it becomes a habit.
They stop making excuses.
Stop fearing mistakes and startembracing challenges, whether
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it's fighting for a ground ball,bouncing back from a bad game or
pushing through toughconditioning drills.
A gritty player refuses to backdown.
They develop resilience, mentaltoughness and the confidence to
handle adversity.
The benefits are undeniable.
Players with grit improvefaster, compete harder, and they
will And ultimately exceed theirown limitations.
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They don't let setbacks definethem.
They use them as fuel to grow.
Without this mindset, manyplayers hold themselves back.
They hesitate.
They give in to fatigue.
And their performance suffers.
Future NFL Hall of Famequarterback Tom Brady understood
this concept better than anyone.
He believed that as long as hedidn't give up on himself, his
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teammates, or in any situation,then he did not fail, regardless
of the outcome.
In many, many situations.
Such as excruciatingconditioning drills, or after
sailing an easy pass, or in thetoughest game moments, he would
repeat to himself, Don't quit.
Can't fail.
Don't quit.
Can't fail.
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These words carried him throughadversity and pushed him to
legendary greatness.
Lacrosse is a game of speed,skill, and endurance, but above
all else, it's a game of heart.
The toughest players are theones who rise to the occasion,
no matter the odds.
True Grit isn't just a tool forsuccess, it's the foundation for
greatness.
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Sounds like if players make thedecision to be tough all the
time, it could be one of thebest decisions they ever make.
Now we will return to ourinterview and you will find that
interview picking right up wherewe left off.
So Neil, who were who elsebeyond, you know, these guys
that we know were some of yourinfluences kind of growing up
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and who were the guys on yourteams at Moses Brown that were
pushing you once these guysmoved on?
And what was it like to take onthat mantle of leadership?
You know?
Yeah, no, it was awesome.
So as I mentioned, Wayne Curtiswas our first, my first big
inspiration.
And then the second one was ourhigh school coach, a guy named
Rob Hollis.
He played soccer and lacrosse atTabor Academy in Massachusetts.
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He actually played both sportsat Carolina.
Super knowledgeable, experiencedand passionate lacrosse player.
And he really pushed me pushedJamie, pushed all of us.
He was a pain in the ass too.
I mean, he wrote us really hard,those old days and styles of
coaching where at times I'd walkto the other side of the field,
just so I wouldn't hear himyelling in my ear.
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But he made me better and hemade me tougher.
And so I owe a lot to him interms of like collegiately, we
didn't have the opportunity towatch all these games, but there
was a midfielder named DellDressel, four time first team,
all American.
And I had a poster of him in myroom and I wanted to be like
Dell.
I wore the double pad.
You guys remember I went withthat back to Dell and he was
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kind of the main inspiration interms of like that collegiate
player and being at his level.
And then I was really fortunate.
We had a goalie named GregBaldwin and Greg was an all
American goalie for Moses Brown,who was really passionate and
committed to lacrosse.
And the two of us together setout a goal to become all
Americans in high school and toplay in college.
Greg went on to play at Wesleyanand we pushed and competed
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against each other.
I shot on him all the time afterpractice.
And so it was a really good,just kind of back and forth.
And we were challenging eachother to make the offense better
and the defense better.
So lots of different inputs,obviously.
And then having those guysacross the street.
You know, Moses Brown game fieldand Brown game field are
literally a block away.
So being able to walk over thereand see all these greats at
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Brown was really helpful.
And Jay, you know, I just wantto, I want to point out, having
been in Rhode Island a long timemyself, these, these two guys
that Neil and Jamie arementioning, Wayne Curtis and Rob
Hollis.
Those two, for so many peopleI've heard about growing up in
Rhode Island, those were two ofthe guys who really grew the
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game, not just at Moses Brown,but all over.
And you know, we guys on ourpodcast, it's been kind of fun.
We feel like we've.
You know, run across so manypeople who have told these
stories of growing up.
And there, there are alwaysthose one or two people in each
community who are kind of, youknow, the catalyst for changing
the game and growingparticipation.
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And so I want to just shout outagain to Rob Hollis and Wayne
Curtis, who were two amazingpeople in the, in the sport of
lacrosse in Rhode Island.
Wayne Curtis ended up leavingright after my freshman year.
He left for the Hill School andthen Rob took over.
One of the awesome things aboutRob though was that he always
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just wanted to play with you.
And so like in those days, itwas, there was so much free play
going on and Rob was also thesoccer coach.
So he was our soccer coach, but,or, and, and, and was the
assistant or whatever, but hewas involved with both programs,
but so much of the free playthough, we just like messed
around and, and, and Rob wouldcome play with us.
He would like literally just beplaying.
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Whatever little game we wereplaying, you know, at any time.
And we used to call him HackerHollis'cause he would like Outra
and, That's awesome.
He was he was a real beauty.
Yeah.
And he did, he he made a bigdifference in lacrosse.
That's great.
RIP Rob Hollis.
Yeah.
R Gotcha, gotcha.
Alright.
B and Wayne.
Curtis, we, we used to go downand play the Hill School, so he
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went, he was the head coach atthe Hill School.
Yep.
Ah, and then he was, he ran thetryout at the Hill School for
the U 19 USA team.
That I tried out for way backone, another connection.
Ron loves these connections tothat small world team.
It also was the founder of theCocoa Beach spring break
lacrosse that went on for years,probably 30 years of spring
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break down there.
Wow.
In fact, I mean, I, we went downto his spring break.
I'm pretty sure you do likefantasy camp down there.
I remember seeing some stuffonline about that.
Didn't you do that?
I ended up kind of doing thatmyself with 3D.
But but just back in the day, wegot some good memories that
we're not going to get into.
Oh, Jamie, trust me.
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We had to edit our questionssignificantly.
Stays on spring break.
It's kind of like what happensin the brother's bar stays in
the brother's Absolutely.
I like it.
So now, Jamie, as we Reviewthere.
You had a great career at Brownand talk about playing for some
great coaches.
Played for Dom Starcia, MikeCaravana, Pete Lasagna.
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Paul Hooper.
Paul Hooper.
Absolutely.
The Hooper was a great coach.
Hooper had played at WashingtonCollege and had been an
assistant at Carolina, and hecame up and was one of my
coaches as I was two yearsbehind Jamie and so much
knowledge of the game.
Absolutely.
So tell us some of your topmemories playing for those
coaches and your fellow Bears.
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And then we'll take it fromthere.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, Brown lacrosse wasjust an incredible time, you
know, of our lives.
I mean, just the camaraderie.
The competition lacrosse ingeneral.
I mean, it's funny.
It's so again, it's so differentnow than it was then I mean, I
was like way more of a soccerplayer to be honest with you.
I wasn't even lacrosse wasn'treally my It was my favorite
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sport in March, April and May,but I was really played way more
soccer.
And then all of a suddenlacrosse hit, I started getting
recruited by Dom.
You know, he didn't, he's anunbelievable recruiter and sort
of like relationship builder inthe recruiting process.
And, you know, you get your loveletters from him he's a, he's a
volume guy, like love Dom andjust like nonstop stuff.
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And, you know, Pete's.
Passion for the game and his,you know, remember the video he
made, you remember that?
Like look brown lacrosse videothat he was Oh yeah.
He just did another one.
I dunno if you guys saw that.
The brown lacrosse.
Yeah.
It was awesome.
Came out and it was narrated.
Yeah.
And, and then you know, just.
The way that Dom just kind oflike really got, got the energy
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behind that program and thepassion with Brown lacrosse with
a passion.
You remember the t shirts,right?
Oh, I mean, it was, it was ablast and, and, and just the,
the guys, the coat, the, thelevel of play, you know, you
remember Everything about it.
It was just a total blast.
In my caravana I mean he waslike this guy came up from
virginia ended up having a greatcareer as a head coach at
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denison for a lot Of years wasthe assistant with us that He
was he really like was tough onus in the early years.
But yeah Because he was a bigtime attackman at uva.
So what was it like having thatkind of influence?
He was getting in your guy'sface a little bit.
He just He played a verydifferent way.
I mean, he's a Sawanika guy, wasa little guy, like straight up
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and down, you know, played witha Sammy and just was like, you
know, this more like a DarrenLowe sort of type of a player
and that was not how I played.
Gags was probably a little bitcloser.
To that, but I was like, play alittle more dangle and but at
the end of the day though learna lot from him and and have
remained friends with him.
I keep in touch with my caravan,so it's, it's, it's really been
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it's been great.
I mean, the brown memories.
You know, our, our memories of alifetime, just the best.
Right.
And it's true with the passionthing.
Like Dom's taking all theseyoung guys, you know, just
filled with energy and justencouraging that.
So, you know, it was high energywhen I got there as a freshman,
I was like, holy cow, you know,it was great.
High energy on the field, highenergy off the field.
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Energy everywhere.
It was endless.
Hey, Jeremy, you know, I mean,you, you basically have been.
You know, I, I, I always thinkabout like, I don't think your
brain ever turns off fromlacrosse.
Like, you just seem like you'realways thinking the game and
that's always the way you'vebeen.
But I'm wondering, you know,you, you kind of been a lifelong
coach and teacher of the game.
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What, I always think like everycoach you're with kind of
influences your style a littlebit.
So when you think about thosecoaches, how do you think those
guys impacted you as you movedon to your?
Yeah, well, I mean, I'd say withDom, it was just, I mean, he
really I, I, what I learned fromDom, so, so much of what I
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learned from Dom was about,about how to kind of just sort
of run a program with that kindof passion and dedication.
His work ethic was unparalleled.
His recruiting was incredible.
The way he evaluated playerstoo, I would always learn from
Dom the way that he.
He was always looking forsomething really special in a
player, and he knew it could bedifferent.
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And he would see somethingspecial and athletic, and he
would look for that player thathe could develop.
And it wasn't always just pureathleticism.
I mean, it had to do with, like,you know, a presence to that
player, or something that theydid really, something they did
better than anybody else.
And it was a really interestingway of kind of looking at it.
You know, thinking back tohoops, I mean, the way that That
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Paul Hooper was able to likecreate a relationship with an
individual player and findsomething that that player Could
really be be excellent at andspecial with he would come up to
me like hey three Three he wouldcall you by your number.
He'd be like hey three I gotlike what do you got hoops?
He'd be like, you know, trythis, you know, try posting up
and then just sort of like Youknow, think about shooting a
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backhand and slide it off the,slide it off the side of your
stick.
And he's like, but don't tellDom I told you that.
Right.
Right.
Right.
You know, and, Was he the onewho told you to fake the shot?
You faked a couple shots, likefaked them behind the back, and
then you ran around and scored acouple times.
I came up with that littlebehind the back fake in a, in a,
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in a, in a tight one on onesetup that we were doing one day
against Greg Starkins on theroof.
Yeah.
And this was like, I was justgood there and Starkins like
turn around and I was like, ha,I'm just like, it's pretty
funny.
But that happened in the Cordellgame.
I think when I was a freshman,you did that.
And I remember being like,Jamie, it didn't work, move the
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ball.
And you waited a little longerand everyone was looking around
the field.
No one knew where the ball was.
It went forever.
And then finally your defensemanlooked and you ran around and
scored.
It was whole.
Do you remember that?
That was hilarious.
It was called John.
Yeah.
We just kind of like pretend youdon't have to take a step.
Like you're a little bit tipsy,but that was hilarious.
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So Jamie, that's like, move theball.
And he's like, no, no, I didn'tdo the drunk step yet.
All right, Neil, enough, Jamie,Neil, enough, Jamie, let's get,
let's, let's get to you.
All right.
As I mentioned, I, you know, oneof the fun things about this
podcast is like, you know, youknow, guys forever, you play
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with them, but it's not likeyou're really asked these kinds
of questions.
So, you know, thinking back oflike you being that we talked
about you being, you know, ateam defensive and offensive
MVP, how, how did you becomethat player?
How did Neil Munro become thatguy?
It sure makes you wonder.
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In order to find out, staytuned, Lackscoopers, and join us
next week for a big reveal.
Ron (28:28):
until we meet again, here to, hoping you find the twine.
We're signing off here at theGet the LAX coop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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