May 21, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop,' Jay “The Jaybird” McMahon is joined by lacrosse legends Dom Starsia and Tommy Towers to discuss the latest happenings in college lacrosse. The panel dives into an in-depth recap of the recent thrilling NCAA D1 quarterfinal games, including matchups like Notre Dame vs. Penn State, Georgetown vs. Maryland, Syracuse vs. Princeton, and Cornell vs. Richmond. They provide expert analysis and insights on key players, game strategies, and standout performances. The discussion then shifts to the upcoming NCAA D1 Championship (Final Four) games, with detailed previews of Cornell vs. Penn State and Syracuse vs. Maryland. The episode concludes with predictions for a potential championship showdown. Tune in to catch all the action and expert commentary on this exciting lacrosse journey.
00:00 Welcome and Introductions
01:24 Recap of Notre Dame vs. Penn State
08:24 Georgetown vs. Maryland Analysis
12:19 Thrilling Syracuse vs. Princeton Match
18:52 Cornell vs. Richmond Breakdown
23:36 Preview of Final Four: Cornell vs. Penn State
24:58 Analyzing the Impact of a Single Loss
25:37 Key Players and Stats Breakdown
26:36 Penn State vs. Cornell Matchup Insights
28:20 Predictions for Penn State vs. Cornell
30:59 Syracuse vs. Maryland: A Detailed Preview
39:47 Predictions for Syracuse vs. Maryland
40:27 Potential National Championship Scenarios
46:50 Final Thoughts and Season Reflections
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Episode Transcript
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Hello everyone, and welcome toanother episode of Get the Lack
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Scoop.
Unfortunately, we do not haveRon, the big dog, dogless with
us.
He is in Brussels having a ball,and our roving reporter is
actually at a lacrosse game,high school game, Steve gfi.
But we have two fantasticstand-ins.
First is Hall of Famer, DomStaria, four National
Championships at UVA two IvyChampionships at Brown.
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He was the coach, year coach ofthe year, my senior year.
I don't know that I had anythingto do with it, but.
If I did, you're welcome, Dom,coach of the year 1991.
And then we've got, a guy I'mvery glad to have played with
when I was a freshman.
Tommy Towers, Tommy Towers, AndyTowers older brother.
Tommy was an all Ivy Leagueselection as well as an All
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American.
And he's been coaching lacrosseand is quite the lacrosse
aficionado.
So welcome to the programgentlemen.
Thank you very much, Jay.
I like that intro.
Good to be here, Jay.
I'm sorry.
We're missing dog, but this showprobably won't suffer because of
that.
So well, we'll each get to talka little bit more.
Right, Dom?
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That's for sure.
Although I love the dog.
You gotta love the dog.
Oh God.
He's just a big, lovable dog.
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
So we'll follow our littleformat that we've done the last
couple weeks and we'll try to gothrough what went on last
weekend, which was just anincredible quarter, final round.
I feel like every year thatround just gets tighter and
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tighter and more exciting.
So you know, we'll, let's gowith Notre Dame, Penn State.
I've just got a few notes here.
I mean, gosh, it was eight tothree at halftime, then it was
12 to six in the third quarter,but Notre Dame would not score
again for the rest of that game.
It was third quarter, maybe fouror five minutes left.
And just an incredible comebackby Penn State.
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I mean, Matt Trino wasabsolutely electric.
He ended up with six goals andan assist and and just an
incredible finish.
So what would you guys say aboutthat, that first matchup?
I, I would say I was really, goahead, Don.
I'll go first.
I, you know, I, I thought it wasan, an unbelievable weekend.
I mean, I I don't remember fourgames like that.
Subplots, you know, not, notevery game was was like Richmond
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Cornell, you know but they allhad subplots and it was great
stuff, and it was kind of theway the whole season went, which
was that there, there wasn't adominant team out there, I don't
think, this spring.
And so when you, when youbrought.
Eight good teams together.
You were gonna have, you weregonna have good games.
And and I thought it was really,really terrific.
You know Penn State, Notre Dameyou know, it's funny, I didn't
see the game.
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I was out with my my girls and Igot home.
I couldn't believe the score.
And then I, when I heard how thegame played out, it was even
more.
Unbelievable.
You know, but it's, it's sort ofwho Notre Dame was throughout
the year.
I mean, they went throughthroughout the year.
They went long stretches withoutscoring, you know, they Right.
You know, they, they just theyhad issues on offense, I think,
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you know and you know, the, themore amazing piece of it, it was
that, that Penn State was stillthere, you know, was still
there, ready to, yeah.
Ready to take over the game with20 minutes to play.
I mean.
Who gives them the right to feellike they could win that game,
you know?
Yeah.
And I'm sure that Notre Damefelt like, well, we're gonna,
we're gonna wear these guys outand we're gonna, we're gonna win
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this game.
And you know, but it was, it wasfun to watch.
Trainer was unbelievable.
He reminded me of AidenCarroll's performance the
weekend before when Georgetownplayed down at Duke, you know
the way that the Carroll boytook over.
And, and we'll talk about we'lltalk about Penn State going
forward, you know, so here weare.
We watched Georgetown at Dukeand Aiden Carroll takes over the
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game and they, they buried Dukeat Duke, you know, right.
And then they come up and, andthe next game.
So you're thinking, okay,Carroll you know better get
ready for Carroll to get, getready to play him, you know?
And and Georgetown kind ofdisappeared in this round of
games, you know?
And so you really don't know,you know, how it's gonna play
out from game to game and allyou know, so I give Penn State
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great credit.
For for being able to make thoseplays at the end of the game in
the last 20 minutes of the game,a a lot of teams might've packed
their bags.
Penn State did not trainer'sperformance was extraordinary.
I thought.
The issue I think for Penn Stategoing forward is do they have
enough offense?
You know trainer layman, youknow, are, are very good
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players.
But you sort of need more, Ithink, than that to beat these,
to meet these better teams and,and down to the, down to Ford
of, of the, of the very bestleft standing here.
Right?
Absolutely.
Towers any commentary?
Yeah, I mean so the Notre Damegoalie, I actually coached as
like a, as a kid, Richard Deli.
Really?
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Oh, that is cool.
Beth.
I mean, fifth, sixth grade, Imean, was just unbelievable.
And so, you know, I kind of hada little vested interest for,
for an Notre Dame in thatregard.
But you know, my brother'sdaughter goes to Penn State, so
I.
You know, there's a little mixedallegiance, but you know, what
sticks out to me is that, youknow, the game of lacrosse has
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really grown so fast and there'sso many more good players now
than there used to be.
Right?
That kind of on any givenSunday, anything can happen, you
know, to dom's pointing, right?
And, you know, if you're laudedas one of the game, you know,
teams that's.
Supposed to win when you get a,in a playoff game and it gets
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tight and you're supposed towin, you know, I think the, the,
the wind blows behind theunderdogs and Right.
That happened in that game forsure.
Right.
You know, give Absolutely.
I'll give Penn State more credittoo.
Jay is that they went to thezone late in the game, you know,
and right.
The zone can be very effectiveagainst a team where one guy on
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that team has the ball dominatesthe ball, you know, the way that
Kavanaugh does for Notre Dame,you know?
Right.
And so Penn State definitelytook the momentum away from
Notre Dame when they went to thezone, the offensive momentum for
Notre Dame.
And then they, the fact thatthey stuck with it.
You know, when you're down six,you're not thinking about
playing a zone, you know?
That's right.
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Do and save their guys a littlebit and, and, and, and turn the
game around.
So you give'em a lot of creditfor making that adjustment, in
the course of the game, youknow?
Absolutely.
'cause you're right, that wasright around the time when
things started turning aroundand just incredible, like you
said too, like what gave PennState the right to think that
they could win when they're downsix to, you know, a, a team
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that's potentially going for athree-peat.
And but they had that belief andscored eight freaking goals in a
row.
It's unbelievable.
And then even right at the end,you know, like you said, it
definitely plagued Notre Dameduring the season.
I actually saw Notre Dame playUNC.
Down at UNC and they didn'tscore for like 30 minutes, it
was four, nothing.
It should have been eight,nothing UNC and then UNC ends up
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losing'cause'cause the otherthing Notre Dame could do was go
on these runs.
So it's like the timing was off.
They had to run early, they getthose 12 goals.
And they just couldn't, couldn'tfinish at the end.
'cause they did get two looksright on the goal, right at the
goal mouth towards the end.
And they just couldn't finish.
But that, that was, that wasamazing.
Peacefully, you know, but with,with Penn State playing a zone,
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you know, I, I think Notre Damethroughout the year suffered
offensively from the fact thatdidn't really have an X guy.
They don't really have a guy toplay behind the goal.
The good Chris is more of a wingguy, Chris Kavanaugh.
Yeah.
And the best offensive lacrosseteams.
It can hurt you from behind thegoal.
'Cause that's where you're mostvulnerable defensively.
If you're a team that you needsto kind of attack from the wing
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a lot, I think you're gonna bemore limited.
And with a team sitting in thezone, you know, not being able
to sort of attack the zone frombehind, you know?
Right.
It, it hurt them.
You know?
You know, I, we always, for mein the recruiting.
Finding that guy to play at X,whether his name was, you know,
for you guys, John Keo or, orDarren Lowe, or Bernie Bonano
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or, or mm-hmm.
Connor Gill and, and DrewMcKnight and, and Steele
Stanwick.
You know, that, that to me wasthe key position.
That's what determined whetheror not you're gonna be a good
offensive lacrosse team.
Yeah.
A lot like a point guardbasketball, right?
Absolutely, absolutely.
As long as you had guys likeTowers McMahon to get those guys
the ball, you'd be okay.
But let, let's move on to thenext game.
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We got let's go over Georgetown,Maryland.
And as, as Coach Starge was justsaying, you know Aiden Carroll
comes in just.
F you know, steaming hot.
Just had that amazing game atDuke.
Six goals, two assists at onepoint, had five goals in a row,
and, and then he meets the, theboa constrictor that is the
TURPs, and they just shut themdown.
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I mean, gosh, that game was asnoozer.
There was only one goal for eachteam in the third quarter.
I mean.
And, and just that, that defensefor Maryland is just stifling.
So what do you guys, what do youguys have to say about that
contest?
It was nine to six was the finalteam that averages like 15 goals
a game in Georgetown, Maryland.
You know, the Marylanddefensemen in general.
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I mean, going back even to ourera we're always pretty mean and
tough and, you know, kind of adifferent breed than some of the
others.
And you know what?
They showed up made a bigdifference, right?
Right.
No, no doubt me.
Marilyn, to me reminds me ofthe, the old, the Princeton
teams from the nineties, youknow?
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Right.
But they, they don't care howthey look, you know?
They just are gonna beat you,you know, and and you know,
they're a team that.
They, they keep a strangleholdon the pace of the game.
You know, they're not gonnaride, you know, they, you think
about Virginia basketball, youknow people talk about it.
We don't, we don't not, we don'trebound offensively.
They don't ride.
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They drop to the midline.
They want to slow you down.
They want to get their people inthe game.
They want to be right.
Strength in the defensive endand stuff.
And you need to, and it's gonnabe a factor going forward in
this game with Syracuse, Ithink.
Yeah.
And I think the game againstGeorgetown is that you need to
create some chaos with Marylandand it's really hard to do, you
know?
Right.
And, and so you create a littlechaos by winning face offs and
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doing some things like that.
And, georgetown just wasn't ableto do any of those things.
And and Marilyn has the people,like Tommy was implying, Marilyn
has the people on defense tomatch up with Carol in a settled
offensive set.
You know, duke gets themselvesspread out.
You know, they play man Toman,they don't slide a lot.
Mm-hmm.
And, and Carol could beat a guyon the, they could win matchups
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on the perimeter.
And then they were, they hadtheir way of getting to the
goal, you know?
Marilyn's not gonna do that.
They're gonna pack it in.
You know you, you might get anadvantage, you know, dodging
your own guy, but the wholefrigging defensive unit is, is
staring at you, you know?
And and so to me they, the, theinteresting piece of that game
was the fact that John Tillman,you know, is 10 and two in those
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quarterfinal games andGeorgetown right over for the
last 10, you know?
That's right.
That's right.
So.
Was that gonna, you know, thatthat in itself is not a factor,
but it, it's, it's something,you know, and, and I'm sure it
knows right Georgetown guys alittle bit, that they have
struggled and that was alwaysthe, not the knock.
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Dave Y's a wonderful guy and agreat coach, but they couldn't
get out of that, that quarterfinal round, you know?
Right, right.
That was the, that was theblock, the, the stumbling block
for them, you know.
So you know, it wasn't theelectrifying game that the other
ones were.
But there was a lot going onthere.
And for somebody that likes tostudy the game a little bit
there was there was some thingsto like, there also.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
The old saying, it's notnothing, you know, we can't
really say the past is gonnaaffect this game a hundred
percent, but it's not nothing,you know, that tillman's 10 and
two or 10 and one, whatever heis, and Georgetown's oh and 10.
It's something, it's in theirhead a little bit, you know?
So, absolutely.
That was cool.
And then and I think, you know,Marilyn does go all the way.
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It's gonna be the same kind ofthing.
It's gonna be these kind ofstranglehold, defensive, you
know, you know, stances andstops.
And then you've got McNaney.
I mean, McNaney is definitelyone of the best goalies in
college lacrosse.
Again, he's this in his sixthyear, the goalie for the TURPs.
And so we'll see what happens.
But let's move on to the nextgame from that weekend was
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Syracuse, Princeton, 19 to 18.
Holy cow.
That that was.
Absolutely amazing.
1611 with like five seconds leftin the third quarter and then
Princeton scores, so it's 1612going into the fourth, and next
thing you know it's 16 all,Princeton takes the lead 18 to
17.
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That was incredible.
After being down, that wasanother, you know, maybe not
quite as dramatic as the PennState game, but absolutely
dramatic.
You know, they come back, theytake the lead, and then you
gotta give Syracuse credit, youknow, they tie it back up and
then they take the lead andthere's still three minutes left
in the game.
Actually, it was like threeminutes and 50 seconds.
I've got the note here.
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But great to see our good friendhis son, Peter Bonano having
three goals and three assists.
Bernie's son Peter, and so whatare your guys' comments on this
game?
You know, listen, playingSyracuse, I mean, maybe it's
just kind of, you know, the erathat I grew up in with the Gates
and Meek and all the other guys,like, they were like the Harlem
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Globetrotters back in the, sothere's an aura around.
And I don't know if it factoredin at all.
Obviously Princeton had afantastic season.
Bernie's son was unbelievable.
But I just feel like in theseplayoffs a lot of times, you
know, having a little dirtunderneath your fingernails
isn't gonna hurt you.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
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So.
You know, those Syracuse andSyracuse coming in, they had,
you know, at the end of theirseason this year, they had lost
three games in a row going intothat a CC tournament.
And and they win the a CCtournament.
And then here they are in a runin the playoffs.
And for them too, it, I thinkit's been maybe four years in a
row they've lost in thequarterfinals.
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And so that was, you know, inthe back of their head.
Yeah.
And you know, good for them.
They pulled it out.
Dom, what do you have to say?
Not a lot of defense in thisone, I think.
Well, that's I think it wassomething for everybody though.
I mean, if you're a lacrossefan, I mean you, if you were
watching that game, you know,you're a bigger lacrosse fan you
know, just stuff, great stuffgoing on.
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You're right, but neither team.
Neither team was playing anydefense, really.
I mean, you had two teams thatwere sort of a mirror of each
other.
People talked all year aboutPrinceton and how skilled they
were and how well they moved theball and all.
Well, you'd certainly say thatabout Syracuse, that, that the
same thing.
It just, it didn't preoccupypeople the same way that it did
talking about Princeton, youknow?
Right.
But, but it was, that was gonnabe a, you know, sort of who had
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the ball last kind of, kind ofresult really.
'cause neither team was able tostop the other one.
Or was, you know, they, they,you know, and that's a perfect
example of.
Two teams not being willing todo what Maryland does.
You know, when they, when theyget games, you know we're, we're
gonna slow it down.
We're gonna be more patient, youknow, and, and some of my, my
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Virginia teams were guilty ofthat, you know you know that
game that we played in the domethat year 22 to 21?
Oh, right.
We were in a hu we were in oneof the huddles, and I, I looked
in the huddle and I, I said, Heyfellas, we're allowed to slow
this down, you know?
Right.
And they eye contact with me andevery one of them was saying,
you know, muttering under hisbreath, no way, coach.
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You know?
Right, right, right.
But you kind of on one hand wantthat, don't you, knowm.
I think on every, on every levelas a fan.
So you want that, you know, andyou know, and as a coach, you
know, in, I think it's differentin the regular season.
You know, if fair, if you hadsaid to me, Tommy, for you to
win this game, you've gotta takethe air outta the ball.
And I'm taking the air outta theball.
'cause I wanna play on theweekend.
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Of course.
And you know, so maybe in Marchor February, okay, we're gonna
let'em play.
We don't even know who we areyet.
We're gonna, we're gonna let'emplay and get after it and stuff.
And I think that was the beautyof our, some of our games with
Syracuse over the years thatpeople used to talk about.
For sure.
But this was a game in which itreally was, you know who had the
ball last and, and, you know, I,again, it, it feeds into the
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next round of games whereSyracuse is gonna face the exact
opposite of Princeton, you know?
Right, right.
In a team, in a team likeMaryland, you know, and you
know, so if you're, if you'regonna get in a shooting match be
careful with, with Syracuse youknow, maybe especially at this
time of the year you know, sobut it was that was a really,
really exciting, I mean, you didthink.
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You know, at, at so manydifferent times at the end, oh,
okay, Princeton's won.
They're gonna win now.
You know, and Right, right.
Well, it was never over until,until that whistle blew at the,
at the very, very end.
And, and Syracuse happened to beup a goal, you know it was
really a fun game for, foreverybody.
You know, that's, that's kind ofthe way you want it too.
I mean, like as a fan, right?
I mean, obviously AbsoAbsolutely.
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Yeah.
Right.
It just makes so much more funand exciting and, I actually was
talking to Brett Jefferson, youremember the goalie, Syracuse
goalie back in the day?
Today.
Yeah.
And he's all lathered up, soit's, it's, it's fun how all the
alums come out.
Oh, yeah.
You know?
Right.
And the tech start coming andit's really cool.
Fun time beer.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
For Syracuse, you know, we, wetalked about Georgetown and, and
that thing and how to imaginethat Syracuse hasn't been in the
Final Four and.
Yeah, in 12 years now and 12years, exactly right.
I got, I got that in my notes.
12 years.
Oh, first time in 12 years.
They've been to 27 final fours.
They haven't been there in 12years.
Well, in I, in our, in yourgeneration fellas, they were
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there 22 years every year, youknow?
Oh my God.
And that Ronnie have that, thatis sick.
22 years in a row in the finalfour, number 22, the end of it
at 22.
Oh, I'll say going up andplaying in the dome like is just
like, you know, you feel likethe Washington Generals playing
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the Harlem Globetrotters, atleast from Right.
You know, I mean it was like, ohmy God, our freshman, my
freshman year.
Yeah.
Oh God.
We learned from that.
It's crazy.
And this team, you know, isn'tthat characteristic?
I mean they, the gates werephysical on top of being the
best skills, best skilledplayers out there, and probably
the fastest that team is big.
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Like this team is small.
For Syracuse, but they, whenthey're hot, they've got such
good sticks and they know eachother so well, they can
anticipate where guys are going.
And Joey s Plana, you know, whogets a lot of kinda heat for not
really being able to beat hisguy much did beat his guy
several times, had four goalsand four assists and so that
they just found a way.
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It'll be very interesting to seeif they don't get strangled by
the boa constrictor of Maryland.
If they can make that anexciting game, that that would
be cool.
Well, but we're gonna get tothat in a minute.
Let's finish up these games thathappened in the quarter final
round.
So, Cornell Richmond anothergreat game.
And I didn't even jot down thefinal, I think it was 1312.
I.
Corn for sure.
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And if Richmond had had one moreshot, I think,'cause that was
kind of the weak link for, forCornell.
Their goalie only had let mesee, I took the note.
He only had 38% safe percentageon the day and was letting some
shots in that weren't great.
Their defense I thought wasgood.
If Richmond could have had onemore shot, who knows?
And CJ cursed.
You know, played well enough,but he was getting a little
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frustrated.
Had Goldstein really step up.
The other attack, man, long,Michael Long had four assists
and then the midfieldmidfielders picked up the slack
and, and scored.
So what do you guys have to sayabout that matchup?
And Dom, I know Dom's thecommentator for University of
Richmond Spider, so he's watchesthis team closely all season
long.
So let's see what you have tosay there.
Dom thoroughly enjoyed beingassociated with the program.
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I think Coach Danny Ani does agreat job to me.
That game was a, a little bitmore buttoned up version of
Princeton, Syracuse, you knowand I, I thought going into the
game, some people ask me and youknow, I thought that.
Richmond was gonna need somehelp from the Cornell goalie to
have a chance.
You know, they don't have, theydon't really have an an A-list
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offensive guy, Richmond.
They, they, they're, their,their, their strength is in
their group.
You know they, they move theball.
They're unselfish, they'rewilling to do the little things
that you need to do in order towin, you know?
Right.
But at, at, at the same time.
Occasionally you just need, youknow, you need CJ cursed, you
know, and, and one of thereasons I think Pinnell has an
advantage going into this nextweekend is they're the only team
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that has him, you know?
Right, right.
I just think that, you know, inthe game, he had a quiet game.
He had a quiet game.
The first time I.
That Richmond played Cornellearly in the year when Cornell
also beat them by a goal, youknow?
Right.
I was at Richmond, so I wasdoing the TV for that game.
He was, had a very quiet game,but in the end, and I was in the
booth, Dom, you were doing yourbest.
That was impressive.
I think would've in the lastfive minutes, he ha he has the
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ball every time and, and, and hesoftens up a defense, you know?
Right.
Everybody on the Richmonddefense is paying attention to
him and it creates space for allthe other guys on that Cornell
team.
And I think corn, it's.
Has by, by far, I think has thebest, most complete offense of
the teams that are left standinghere going into the final
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weekend, you know, and right.
And so I, I felt like.
Richmond's only gonna have achance if the Cornell goalie
helps him a little bit.
The Cornell goalie's HotRichmond doesn't ha is not
dangerous enough offensively.
And the Cornell goalie did helphim, you know, I mean he, he
just wasn't a factor in thegame.
And, and Viu was, was terrificfor Richmond at the other end.
He was.
Yeah.
You know and so that, that was,that was the key there.
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And and at the end of the day,you know, I Cornell.
Just has a lot of pieces onoffense.
Really impress as I've watchedthe season go on with Young
Goldstein, you know?
Right.
Really have a nice balance thatthose three attack men work
really well together.
You know, long has been, youknow, this we're talking about,
we're all Ivy League guys.
You're not supposed to be an IvyLeague school for six years,
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undergraduate, extra long.
Long and Goldstein and cursed.
You know, they got the righty.
You know, he's smart.
He can finish out there on, onLong Goldstein and X, you know,
he's not quite his dad yet, buthe, but he's getting there and
and, and cursed is a phenomenon.
I think, you know, he just, I.
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His superpower to me is makingthe players around him better.
You know?
Right, right.
You look at some guys, somesimilar guys recently, and I
don't mean, you know, BrennanO'Neill was an animal, you know?
Right.
He was, he was stronger thancursed, you know but Kurt's
ability to move without theball, his ability to pass, you
know, his ability to, to be agood shooter, you know, from
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different spots and stuff.
It just elevates all those otherguys, creates space for all
those other guys.
And, and like I said earlierCornell's the only team that has
him.
And occasionally, as you guysare well aware, you know, you
just need your big boy.
To step up and make a play foryou, you know?
Right.
And he's capable of doing that,you know you know, so it, it was
a, it was, to me, that was thebest game of the weekend in the
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sense that was really goodlacrosse.
Two teams.
Right.
You know, playing smartly.
Did a nice job on defense.
Both groups, even though Cornellwas struggling a little bit.
The cage, you know, you know,Richmond wasn't a team that's
gonna come down and just run bypeople, and they needed to take
a little time.
They did.
They kept getting chances.
You know, they would, they were,they were they were good in
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terms of finishing their, theirgood opportunities you know but
in the end ologists had alittle, a little too much for my
doctor.
Mm, right.
Absolutely.
All right, well, great.
Let's get into our preview forFinal four Championship weekend.
So we've got, let's go rightinto Cornell versus Penn State.
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Since we're talking Cornell theyplayed during the regular season
that is Cornell's only loss ofthe year in overtime to Penn
State which is certainlyinteresting and and funny, I
actually watched that game justthe fourth quarter and it was 12
to eight.
Cornell.
And the funny thing is PennState did not have Lehman and
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they did not have Matt Trainor.
They both were outta the gamefor whatever reason, they didn't
play.
And but it was kind ofunfortunate because there was a
penalty on the face off thatdidn't look as brutal as they,
they called it, they called it atwo minute non releaseable, and
that did help Penn State.
They scored like three goals onthat.
It was like two and a halfminutes left in the game.
They're down by four goals.
They tied it and then theywanted an ot.
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So that was, it was a, you know,definitely wouldn't want to call
it Fluke, but it's not nothing.
Again, it, you know what, thisfavors Cornell, you know, I
mean, it's their only loss,right.
We're not gonna see'em sneakingup on'em.
Yeah.
And you know, they're latheredup.
And I, listen, I've been playingwith the Rusty Red.
Lacrosse team now for a fewyears.
And oh, we speak state, lot ofcolor from, from all the guys,
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Timmy and Tado and Liba, allthese guys.
And they're great guys, youknow, and they're and, and, you
know, they are pretty locked in.
And I think that you know,everything's kind of lining up
for'em.
Now they, they gotta execute.
But seeing that that was theironly loss.
I think just is gonna make'emthat much.
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I mean, listen, kids are stillcollege kids, right?
Right, right.
But I think that that loss isgonna stick with them and make
'em, maybe take a couple extrashots and, you know, run a
little harder and just be alittle bit more focused.
Which as we all know in thesetight games, that little micro
edge might be the difference.
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Right, and nobody saw it comingin 2023 though, when Penn State
hung with Duke.
So I think it's gonna be a heckof a game.
Just some little stats here.
The actually the, I think it's,his name is Kent Orno, the
goalie for Cornell.
He was actually 29%.
Against wow.
Against Richmond, saypercentage.
He's 52% on the year though.
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And then against Penn State,when he, when they lost, he was
38%.
So that'll, that'll have to keepan eye on that.
Freon is a good goalie.
He's got a Final fourexperience, yet he's 49%.
On the year, say percentage, sointeresting to look at.
And then faceoff percentage, wegot a guy from Garden City, Jack
Cadden.
He is at 62% of the year.
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He is done very well, but thisfreshman for Penn State has done
very well.
He's only really been thestarter for the last three or
four games.
First game he started wasagainst Maryland.
He was 75%.
Oh no, no, 82.
82% against Maryland, againstMaryland.
On May 1st, and then Colgate, heis 75%.
And he didn't play much in thatCornell game.
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So it'll be interesting to seethat matchup.
Dom, what do you, what do youhave to say about this Penn
State versus Cornell matchuphere?
I, I, I think that I think thatthe neither playing particularly
well, and so he, both goaliesare a little bit of a wild card,
I think.
And you know, I, it's hard toimagine.
One of them could get red hot.
But even above, if, even if oneof them get above 50%, it would
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be a positive for esteem.
Right.
But I think, you know, when,when people talk about games,
you always, you almost, youalmost always talk about goalies
and faceoff play.
I would say that both of thoseare a wash, you know mm-hmm.
And so I don't see a bigadvantage for either team that
way there.
You know both teams I think havesolid defensive personnel.
But I think the difference inbetween the two teams is.
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Cornell has more piecesoffensively, you know right.
I, I I don't think the zone willbe as effective against Cornell
as it would be, as it was in, inthe, in the past game and stuff.
They've got that guy at X andthey can play Goldstein back
there, and he is very good atit.
And, and that having that guy atx.
Gives you the ability to changethe field almost instantly, you
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know, and so that, right.
Much more dangerous and all.
And you know, so between thethree attack men and then
Kelleher and, and the other kidthe other kid in the, on, in the
midfield 51 51, can't think ofhis name.
He's very good.
Got five guy.
If you've got five guys onoffense, you know, now you can
attack the shorts.
Really attack the short you're,you're, you're you're gonna be
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much more dangerous offensively.
And, and like I say, it's mostlya trainer in Lehman for Penn
State in terms of being able toinitiate mm-hmm.
Like I say, given a week toprepare.
You know, I would think, I thinkit's a significant advantage for
Cornell with, with the, withthe, with the personnel that
they have on, on offense, youknow?
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So, okay.
Let's get a prediction done.
What, what's your score?
The score of the game?
Yeah.
I.
Well, you know, like I say, I, Idon't think if a goalie is not a
factor I think you're gonna havea hard time keeping Cornell
under 15, you know?
And and you know, Tom, that'syour prediction then.
Who knows?
I can't tell you if the goalieis gonna be a factor or not.
You gotta factor that in.
Well, no, well, I'm, I, I'mgiving you a score.
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My, my score for the for thatgame would be 1511 Cornell.
Ooh, nice.
Tommy t what do you say?
Yeah, I was, I was thinking 16,10 in my head the whole time
when Don was talking, so, Ooh,come on, Tommy.
You were not thinking that.
Yes, I was.
Yes, I was.
Tom, I have written down here 14to 12, just'cause, I mean, I, I,
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I could lean, I could definitelysee,'cause most of Cornell's.
Tough games.
They did win by like five goals.
They beat Princeton by five,they beat Syracuse by five.
I don't know.
They beat a bunch of teams thatare good by like five goals, so
I would go with that, but I'mjust gonna go with that.
Penn State really steps up inthese big games, so I'm gonna
say they're pesky.
But I agree.
I think Cornell is just toomuch.
They, they're too balanced.
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And as Dom just said, if they dothrow out that zone, that might
even be, you know, the kiss ofdeath.
'cause I think the zone, theywould eat that alive.
The the big red and.
They have, they have good rainshooting the ball cursed, right?
Kelleher cursed too.
Well, Kelleher's good.
You know, they are so it's, it'stough to, tough to be good in
the zone when you can attackfrom X and you got rain shooting
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the ball.
So you're gonna pull that zoneout a little bit, you know?
You know, so I just think good.
Cornell, like I said earlier, isI think the best offensive team
in the weekend.
And, and I think there'll be alittle too much for Penn State
on Saturday.
Right.
I'm with you.
All right.
Next up actually, given it wastheir only loss, right?
Right.
That's the thing.
I agree.
If they, let's say they hadn'tplayed them and or maybe they
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beat'em by five.
Right.
And I think they could sneak upon them, but that's their own
rules.
They were on, they were oncourse to beat them by five Jay,
you know, I mean Oh, true.
You didn't mention that whenthey were.
You know, those four goals werescored in the last 2 27 of that
game, right?
I mean, it was 12 eight with twoand a half minutes to play.
You know, that's, I was, I wassitting there watching it, you
know, in my living room and Ijust couldn't believe my eyes.
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I'm like, well, you get, it'susually kinda like a minute, a
goal when, when it's a big, whenit's more than two goals.
I mean, obviously you can scoretwo goals and, and.
15 seconds if you needed to, butif it's four goals, it's kind of
that rule.
Like, but yeah, it, it was, itwas very unusual.
So yeah.
Didn't, we didn't, didn't webeat Loyola that one year down
at Loyola?
By, when were we down four by?
We were down 12.
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Seven.
We were down by five.
In, in, in the fourth, but wehad the whole fourth quarter.
It was kind of the beginning ofthe fourth quarter when they
scored that call to make it 12seven.
Yeah.
But yeah, true.
We did, but we had we'd littlemore time than that.
All right, so let's go with SUversus Maryland.
This is interesting to kind ofjust think about.
You know, you know, but I'lllet's see, what, what are the
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notes here?
Well, you know, just thatSyracuse is so good offensively
with their sticks.
He got Spel Owen, HIL, MichaelLeo, Sam English, this freshman,
Peyton Anderson has been reallya powerful kind of mid-season
edition.
And their goalie McCool playedvery well against Princeton.
I mean, he, he might've been thedifference in a, in a 1918 game,
if that's possible.
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But he had 12 saves and he hadthe last left'cause he had two
saves at the end of that game.
So so that's, you know, that'swhat Syracuse has.
Their defense is solid.
I apologize for not havingnames, but I do know that number
81 is really good and oh mygosh, who's our guy?
The name's escaping me.
I'm having a, a moment here.
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But anyway, they, their defenseis solid, but you know, we know
who Maryland has.
They've got Spanos Braden, Ursa,Daniel Kelly.
They are all, you know, notgonna blow you away, but they're
all super solid.
They all have like 40 points.
They've got three midfielders,all with 30 points.
So they're, they're essentiallylow scoring, but they're
consistent.
You know, they've got KeeganFord and Whit eight at the
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midfield.
And their defense obviously isoutstanding, along with their
goalie might be the best goaliein the tournament and probably
one of the best goalies in thecountry.
So guys, what do you think aboutthis one?
I.
I would, I would say you know,McNaney could be the difference
in the game.
But I do think McCool is solid.
And so I don't think there yougo into that game thinking you
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have a real deficit in the goal.
You know?
You know, I think that Syracuseneeds to be very good facing
off.
'Cause again, I think we talkedabout a little bit earlier, I
think they really need a littlebit more chaotic pace in order
to thrive here.
You know, and, and you right.
Hate that coming off the face,off and ground balls off the
wing and things like that.
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And, and they need to attack inthe unsettled, and Marilyn is
the best team at.
Limiting unsettledopportunities, you know?
Right.
But that's a great point.
'cause looking up their face offGuy Mullin is 64% for Syracuse,
and then they got of a kind of atag team for Maryland and
they're 52%, but they've hadsome games where they're like
17% or 20%, you know, Maryland.
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So that's a great point.
Yeah.
I I, if there's a key guy, Ithink it might be Mullen.
I, I think that Syracuse needsto be really good facing off
because they will have morepossessions then.
But then also I think they havea chance to create situations
that they can thrive in.
I, you know, they, they weregood offensively in this game
against Princeton.
It's hard to know if they'regood enough, you know,
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offensively in the box, youknow?
And so, you know, I look at, Ilook at Syracuse against
Maryland and say, okay, who'swinning their matchup on for
them on offense?
You know?
Right.
Who's running by?
Somebody who's running, runningby one of those Maryland poles,
you know?
And, and the person, one of theguys you might be looking for is
a kid like English, you know?
Right.
Somebody like that who's gonnaattack out in the midfield where
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they may be a little bit morevulnerable.
You know, so i, you know, thisone will, this is a very
interesting chess match here.
I think, you know again, youknow, Maryland does not ride,
which, so they don't give up alot of those unsettled
opportunities.
They want to get in the box ondefense.
They want to get their personnelin the game.
Mm-hmm.
They, they wanna defend you inthe box.
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They will.
Take advantage of unsettledopportunities when they produce
them.
But then, but again, they're ateam that is not, doesn't have
any problem going deep into ashot clock.
And so, you know, if, if it'snot right, if it's not wide open
and obvious, they're gonna pulla ball out, sub their people in
and they, you know, you justfeel like they're putting a
stranglehold on the game alittle bit.
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Kinda like your, you what do youpublic constrictor, constrictor
a little bit.
You know, it's a hybrid turtle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I, I, you know, the.
TURPs kind of had their way withthem the first time around.
Right.
It was like 11 seven and itwasn't that close.
Yeah.
But it was like the second orthird week of the season.
It was early.
I don't, I mean, I thinkSyracuse maybe playing better
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right.
But I still, I still think thatI think that TURPs maybe have
too much experience and too muchdefense for him.
And so I'll, I'll hear whatTommy has to say before I make
my.
I like it.
I like it.
I, I kind of lean with you.
You know, I mean, the TURPs are,are, are battle tested and
they're veterans and Syracuse,you know, has had a kind of
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so-so year for Syracuse, right.
And they, I think after winningthat first game, probably
exhaled a little bit.
You can't really exhale in theplayoffs.
You gotta fricking tighten it upand be locked in all everybody.
Right, right.
And yeah, I mean, I like theerritory and that, and that's a
good point because I thinkSyracuse, you know, they, they
kind of hit, had to hit the peakto beat Princeton it seems like.
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Right.
And they, you know, all theseteams.
It was interesting looking atall these teams coming in, in
the beginning of the season,like every team, duke, Virginia.
Not really UNC, not reallySyracuse, all those other teams
lost a lot of players.
Maryland lost a lot of playersfrom last year.
Notre Dame lost, you know, everyteam lost basically like six top
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players.
It seemed like top starters,except really for Syracuse.
I mean, UNC returned a lot ofguys, but they returned a lot of
freshmen.
Guys were freshmen last year andsophomores, but Syracuse had a
lot of these guys who wereexperienced.
So I thought they were gonnacome flying out of the gate.
And then maybe it would taketime for a team like Maryland to
catch up, kind of what happenedlast year with Maryland.
But that really, they reallywere kind of slow and they're
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gelling, but I feel like forthem to.
To win a game like thatPrinceton game.
I mean they have just gotta beflying on all cylinders.
Like they don't have much marginfor victory.
And as Dom was saying, you know,I would agree.
I don't think there's any wayguys like Joey Sina and Owen
Helt as good as they are, arerunning by defensemen for
Maryland.
Like that is just not gonnahappen English though.
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He's a two-way mid I think thatis a great point.
Like he could pick up the balloff the face, off their face off
guy actually shoots well.
Off the break himself.
That is gonna be the key, but Idon't, I just don't know that
they, they've got enough in thetank.
So I, I'll tell you too, youknow, it's funny I think that
all this conversation about Linanot being able to run, run by
anybody has got his attention,you know?
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Right.
And so it'll be interesting tosee, you know probably playing
against the best individualdefensemen in the country here
from Maryland.
It'll be interesting to see whatimpact he has on the game.
There have been games when.
He really hasn't been too muchof a factor because he can't, he
can't generate some, in some, insome situations he was a little
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bit better, but I don't knowthat whether or not it speaks to
Princeton's defense or not, youknow, and I think different for
Maryland.
One of the things we haven'treally talked about that I think
is a factor too, is that, I'lltell you, Marilyn's not great on
offense.
You know, you know, for them,for them to get Yeah.
Ranking wise, they're likenumber 25 in offensive
efficiency for them to get to 10goals.
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Would, you know, you'd say incertain circumstances that, that
that'd be pretty good.
And so you're saying you gottahold Syracuse under 10, you
know?
Right.
And so so it'll that, that, thatpiece of it will be very
interesting.
So this is, this game is alittle bit more of the, of the
chess match that I think that'llbe interesting to see how it
plays out.
Well, I'll say Dom another greatpoint because a stat just popped
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into my head while I waswatching that game.
They said the TURPs, if theyhold the other team to 10 or
less are 132 and 12.
It's like a 92% win percentage.
So yeah, I think you're right.
That magic number is gonna be 10goals.
Like if they can hold'em to 10goals, like it's, forget about
it.
But if Syracuse can score 11 or12, then game on again.
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When we're talking about, I'lltake the under, we're talking
about Virginia basketball, youknow, the fact that they always
had a very low goals, again,baskets against that, points
against average.
Yeah.
And that is not so much doesn'tspeak to their defense, it
speaks to, to their offense.
You know, it, it speaks to howdo you wanna play on offense.
And so again, Maryland desperateto keep the score down, goes
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deep into the shot clockoftentimes.
And they're very comfortabledoing that.
So they're subbing people in,right?
They're holding the ball, youknow and, and Syracuse has gotta
figure out a way to sort of, Ithink, break that.
Break that chain a little bit ifthey can.
You know, so it'll beinteresting to see if they can
do it.
And again, I think the face offpiece is one where, where it's
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the more obvious opportunity todo those kind of things.
That's why I think Syracuseneeds to be very good at DX on
Saturday.
Right.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think that's kind oftheir, their only chance and,
and it's actually good chancefor them to keep it close.
'cause they definitely have theadvantage at the X and Maryland
used to love to have that slowlevel of play when they had that
dominant face-off guy for fiveor six years who's not there
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anymore.
So so definitely interesting.
All right, let's get predictionson this one.
Coach Starge, what do you say?
I was, I was gonna pickMaryland.
And you know, like I say, I, Ithink, you know, playing
Syracuse creates some unsettledopportunities for your own team,
and I, I think Maryland needs totake advantage of those when
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those opportunities presentthemselves.
So I think that's a good point.
I think they are likely to getto 12.
But I, I think that they, theyhold Syracuse to eight, so I
would say 12 eight.
Ooh, I already have it on myphone.
I have 11 eight.
I I was just literally 11, ninecoming outta my mouth.
Next.
All right, let's put it down.
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Nice.
All right, cool.
Well, now let's assume thatCornell wins and Maryland wins.
So let's do a little, littlechat about a potential national
championship game betweenCornell and the Terrapins of
Maryland.
Dom, what do you say?
Best offense in the game and thebest defense in the game, you
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know on, on opposite sidelines.
Right.
I think, I think Cornell is.
Special on offense, you knowagain, McNaney could be a big
factor in a game like that, youknow?
Right.
He steps up.
Cornell's not that experienced,you know, he's, he steals a
couple, you know Cornell startsto grip their sticks a little
tighter.
You know, going on.
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Marilyn's a little bit moreexperienced, I think in those,
in those kind of situations.
But I'm an Ivy League guy andyou know I'm not like Tommy.
I'm not a Homer.
I didn't play for Rusty Red.
But I would I, I would take theoffensive team in that game and
I, I, I, I'd go with the Big redNICE Score Score.
Hmm.
I hadn't really thought aboutthat.
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Well, hard to keep them under15, but I think Marilyn could
probably do that.
So let's call that game let'scall that game 13 nine.
Ooh, nice.
It's, it's unbelievable.
Like literally, I, I was saying14 eight, but like every game we
picked Dom and I have been likeone goal on either side.
Right?
Right.
And I'm right with you on thisone.
I'm there, I'm 12 eight, but.
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Tee Tee, let's hear your, yourbreakdown.
What do you think?
I just, I mean, maybe I'm biasedbecause I just love those
Cornell guys because I've beenplaying with them for so long.
I mean, come on.
I, I, I'm having troublelistening to this phrase over
and over again, but Go ahead.
No, it's, listen.
I mean, you know, listen, I lovethe brown guys too, but you
know, what do you love more?
I think that's the question.
It's not an either or, you know,it's, it's like, who do you love
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more?
Your mom or your dad, right?
I mean, oh my God.
Wow.
Yeah.
But anyways, I mean, you know,I've just hung around with them.
I mean, obviously, I.
You know, love Bernie and Italked to him the other day and
you know, obviously could wetalk about the teams towers?
Okay.
How about these two teams thatare mentioned background?
Cornell's gonna win the game.
Cornell's a deeper team.
They got the momentum and I justdon't think there's any way they
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lose his game.
Okay.
Score.
Oh, you said a 13, nine.
Yeah.
Okay.
I like it.
Think, think of it this way,fellas.
Who do you like, who do you likeon 36 hours?
Rest.
True rest is important.
That's fair.
Yeah.
I have a week.
You have a week going into yoursemi-final game.
You got a day and a half goinginto the final game, you know?
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Does that favor the moreexperienced team with the more
way a lot more experiencedcoach, you know?
Yeah.
Or does it do you still likeCornell's depth in that
situation?
Tommy, I, I, I mean, I justthink that, cornell's a better
team, top to bottom.
And if they're playing in thenational championship, I mean,
maybe they're a little moretired or whatever, but I just
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think that you know, the creamrises and they have a lot of
synergy as a group and momentum.
So I may be wrong, but I just,that's what I believe is gonna
happen.
Gotcha.
I like it.
I think that's a good pointthough, Dom, and in fact, Quint
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Knick was talking about that forMaryland in that they don't have
a lot of depth at they'remidfield and he is kind of
pointing the finger at that factsaying that that might be why
they lose a lot of finals.
'cause he says, you look at alot of these teams, I think
Coach Tillman is two in six infinals, two in six losses.
And he's, he's saying they don'treally have the depth, which is
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true.
They don't have the depth ofmidfield, that's for sure.
And I don't, I don't really knowabout D Midi so much, but
interesting.
But I, and I think that the Xfactor to your point could be CJ
cursed.
Like they don't have like, youknow, the guy that if people are
a little, you know, tired out,like the end of that.
First game against Richmondduring the regular season, he
might've had two goals and twoassists in the game.
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But when they scored four in arow he had like two hockey
assists.
You know, as, as you weresaying, Dom, he draws the whole
defense in and he's not afraidto just give it up, who get who,
you know, get it back toGoldstein, who then.
Attacks the weak side for afeed, you know, so like, he's
very unselfish.
So I think he's the X factor.
I certainly could see Marilyndoing it because of McNaney and
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because of the experience theyhave there.
But Cornell, CJ Kst was in the,in the finals when he was a
freshman, so was, who elseKelleher was there.
So they have some guys who werethere, they have a defenseman,
they, Chris Davis is a shortstick d midi who was there too.
So they've got some guys who'vebeen there before.
So it's certainly, I think thatwill be a hell of a game as
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well.
And what I got jotted that down,I don't think I'm going with 12
eight Cornell wins their firstnational title since 1977.
People have always asked me, youknow, how do you win close
games?
And I don't mean to be flip, butmy, my response is that good
players, you know, and and welost our first, we lost our
first two.
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Times in the NCA cha in NCAfinals and overtime.
Right.
It was, you know, Kevin Lowe thefirst time, and Jesse Hubbard
the second time.
You know?
Right.
And you know, the fact that theyhave CJ do have CJ sd, you know
it just, you know, those guyshave a way of making a play
when, when a game is beingdecided.
And if it comes down to, down tosomething like that, that that
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could be the difference rightthere, you know?
And I, I could say, I don'tthink we can overstate.
The, the influence of CJKerstan, you know, honors on the
sport this year and on thesegames in particular.
Even when he has that quietgame, he just, you know,
everybody's looking at him, youknow?
Right.
Again, you're suggesting thehockey assisting is a good
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analogy because he creates spacefor these other guys.
You know when we were, when wewon the championship in 2011, if
you had said to me before thegame.
Steel Stanwick and Chris B, weregonna have one assist between
them.
No way you would've said that Wewere gonna win that game.
And Steel was very, he wassatisfied to be the hockey
assist guy, and that's what hehad about four or five hockey
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assists in that game.
Mm-hmm.
We only won nine, seven.
That's what the, that's what thegreat ones are willing to do
whatever it takes to win.
And and Cornell's got that guy,and, and that, that could be the
difference.
Right.
One of the famous, he used touse that saying, right Dom.
Which one was that?
Is that right?
Whatever, whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes to win, baby.
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Right.
Good stuff.
Well, excellent guys, this hasbeen fantastic.
I, I just love all thecommentary and even looked up a
few facts here or there.
So any, any final thoughts?
I just hope with their, theirtight games and comes down to
the, the last goal, and I justis always so much more fun and
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exciting for everybody.
I'm with you there if you'relosing sight.
Of course.
It's been a good ending to avery intriguing season, you
know, and I think collegesports, college lacrosse could
be go undergoing big changes inthese next couple of years.
You know, I don't know whetheror not I.
You know, this is the end of anera or the beginning of a new
thing.
But if this NCA legislationpasses and teams can give out an
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unlimited number ofscholarships, essentially you're
gonna have a disparity amongstthat can afford it and not so
and mm-hmm.
Big, big changes afoot.
I think so I think enjoy thisone while we have it, and I
think it's gonna be a greatweekend.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
All right guys, everybody have agreat weekend.
Thanks so much for being on theshow, guys, and thanks.
We'll speak to you soon.
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All right, take care.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
Hello everyone, and welcome toanother episode of Get the Lack
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Scoop.
Unfortunately, we do not haveRon, the big dog, dogless with
us.
He is in Brussels having a ball,and our roving reporter is
actually at a lacrosse game,high school game, Steve gfi.
But we have two fantasticstand-ins.
First is Hall of Famer, DomStaria, four National
Championships at UVA two IvyChampionships at Brown.
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He was the coach, year coach ofthe year, my senior year.
I don't know that I had anythingto do with it, but.
If I did, you're welcome, Dom,coach of the year 1991.
And then we've got, a guy I'mvery glad to have played with
when I was a freshman.
Tommy Towers, Tommy Towers, AndyTowers older brother.
Tommy was an all Ivy Leagueselection as well as an All
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American.
And he's been coaching lacrosseand is quite the lacrosse
aficionado.
So welcome to the programgentlemen.
Thank you very much, Jay.
I like that intro.
Good to be here, Jay.
I'm sorry.
We're missing dog, but this showprobably won't suffer because of
that.
So well, we'll each get to talka little bit more.
Right, Dom?
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That's for sure.
Although I love the dog.
You gotta love the dog.
Oh God.
He's just a big, lovable dog.
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
So we'll follow our littleformat that we've done the last
couple weeks and we'll try to gothrough what went on last
weekend, which was just anincredible quarter, final round.
I feel like every year thatround just gets tighter and
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tighter and more exciting.
So you know, we'll, let's gowith Notre Dame, Penn State.
I've just got a few notes here.
I mean, gosh, it was eight tothree at halftime, then it was
12 to six in the third quarter,but Notre Dame would not score
again for the rest of that game.
It was third quarter, maybe fouror five minutes left.
And just an incredible comebackby Penn State.
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I mean, Matt Trino wasabsolutely electric.
He ended up with six goals andan assist and and just an
incredible finish.
So what would you guys say aboutthat, that first matchup?
I, I would say I was really, goahead, Don.
I'll go first.
I, you know, I, I thought it wasan, an unbelievable weekend.
I mean, I I don't remember fourgames like that.
Subplots, you know, not, notevery game was was like Richmond
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Cornell, you know but they allhad subplots and it was great
stuff, and it was kind of theway the whole season went, which
was that there, there wasn't adominant team out there, I don't
think, this spring.
And so when you, when youbrought.
Eight good teams together.
You were gonna have, you weregonna have good games.
And and I thought it was really,really terrific.
You know Penn State, Notre Dameyou know, it's funny, I didn't
see the game.
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I was out with my my girls and Igot home.
I couldn't believe the score.
And then I, when I heard how thegame played out, it was even
more.
Unbelievable.
You know, but it's, it's sort ofwho Notre Dame was throughout
the year.
I mean, they went throughthroughout the year.
They went long stretches withoutscoring, you know, they Right.
You know, they, they just theyhad issues on offense, I think,
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you know and you know, the, themore amazing piece of it, it was
that, that Penn State was stillthere, you know, was still
there, ready to, yeah.
Ready to take over the game with20 minutes to play.
I mean.
Who gives them the right to feellike they could win that game,
you know?
Yeah.
And I'm sure that Notre Damefelt like, well, we're gonna,
we're gonna wear these guys outand we're gonna, we're gonna win
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this game.
And you know, but it was, it wasfun to watch.
Trainer was unbelievable.
He reminded me of AidenCarroll's performance the
weekend before when Georgetownplayed down at Duke, you know
the way that the Carroll boytook over.
And, and we'll talk about we'lltalk about Penn State going
forward, you know, so here weare.
We watched Georgetown at Dukeand Aiden Carroll takes over the
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game and they, they buried Dukeat Duke, you know, right.
And then they come up and, andthe next game.
So you're thinking, okay,Carroll you know better get
ready for Carroll to get, getready to play him, you know?
And and Georgetown kind ofdisappeared in this round of
games, you know?
And so you really don't know,you know, how it's gonna play
out from game to game and allyou know, so I give Penn State
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great credit.
For for being able to make thoseplays at the end of the game in
the last 20 minutes of the game,a a lot of teams might've packed
their bags.
Penn State did not trainer'sperformance was extraordinary.
I thought.
The issue I think for Penn Stategoing forward is do they have
enough offense?
You know trainer layman, youknow, are, are very good
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players.
But you sort of need more, Ithink, than that to beat these,
to meet these better teams and,and down to the, down to Ford
of, of the, of the very bestleft standing here.
Right?
Absolutely.
Towers any commentary?
Yeah, I mean so the Notre Damegoalie, I actually coached as
like a, as a kid, Richard Deli.
Really?
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Oh, that is cool.
Beth.
I mean, fifth, sixth grade, Imean, was just unbelievable.
And so, you know, I kind of hada little vested interest for,
for an Notre Dame in thatregard.
But you know, my brother'sdaughter goes to Penn State, so
I.
You know, there's a little mixedallegiance, but you know, what
sticks out to me is that, youknow, the game of lacrosse has
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really grown so fast and there'sso many more good players now
than there used to be.
Right?
That kind of on any givenSunday, anything can happen, you
know, to dom's pointing, right?
And, you know, if you're laudedas one of the game, you know,
teams that's.
Supposed to win when you get a,in a playoff game and it gets
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tight and you're supposed towin, you know, I think the, the,
the wind blows behind theunderdogs and Right.
That happened in that game forsure.
Right.
You know, give Absolutely.
I'll give Penn State more credittoo.
Jay is that they went to thezone late in the game, you know,
and right.
The zone can be very effectiveagainst a team where one guy on
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that team has the ball dominatesthe ball, you know, the way that
Kavanaugh does for Notre Dame,you know?
Right.
And so Penn State definitelytook the momentum away from
Notre Dame when they went to thezone, the offensive momentum for
Notre Dame.
And then they, the fact thatthey stuck with it.
You know, when you're down six,you're not thinking about
playing a zone, you know?
That's right.
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Do and save their guys a littlebit and, and, and, and turn the
game around.
So you give'em a lot of creditfor making that adjustment, in
the course of the game, youknow?
Absolutely.
'cause you're right, that wasright around the time when
things started turning aroundand just incredible, like you
said too, like what gave PennState the right to think that
they could win when they're downsix to, you know, a, a team
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that's potentially going for athree-peat.
And but they had that belief andscored eight freaking goals in a
row.
It's unbelievable.
And then even right at the end,you know, like you said, it
definitely plagued Notre Dameduring the season.
I actually saw Notre Dame playUNC.
Down at UNC and they didn'tscore for like 30 minutes, it
was four, nothing.
It should have been eight,nothing UNC and then UNC ends up
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losing'cause'cause the otherthing Notre Dame could do was go
on these runs.
So it's like the timing was off.
They had to run early, they getthose 12 goals.
And they just couldn't, couldn'tfinish at the end.
'cause they did get two looksright on the goal, right at the
goal mouth towards the end.
And they just couldn't finish.
But that, that was, that wasamazing.
Peacefully, you know, but with,with Penn State playing a zone,
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you know, I, I think Notre Damethroughout the year suffered
offensively from the fact thatdidn't really have an X guy.
They don't really have a guy toplay behind the goal.
The good Chris is more of a wingguy, Chris Kavanaugh.
Yeah.
And the best offensive lacrosseteams.
It can hurt you from behind thegoal.
'Cause that's where you're mostvulnerable defensively.
If you're a team that you needsto kind of attack from the wing
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a lot, I think you're gonna bemore limited.
And with a team sitting in thezone, you know, not being able
to sort of attack the zone frombehind, you know?
Right.
It, it hurt them.
You know?
You know, I, we always, for mein the recruiting.
Finding that guy to play at X,whether his name was, you know,
for you guys, John Keo or, orDarren Lowe, or Bernie Bonano
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or, or mm-hmm.
Connor Gill and, and DrewMcKnight and, and Steele
Stanwick.
You know, that, that to me wasthe key position.
That's what determined whetheror not you're gonna be a good
offensive lacrosse team.
Yeah.
A lot like a point guardbasketball, right?
Absolutely, absolutely.
As long as you had guys likeTowers McMahon to get those guys
the ball, you'd be okay.
But let, let's move on to thenext game.
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We got let's go over Georgetown,Maryland.
And as, as Coach Starge was justsaying, you know Aiden Carroll
comes in just.
F you know, steaming hot.
Just had that amazing game atDuke.
Six goals, two assists at onepoint, had five goals in a row,
and, and then he meets the, theboa constrictor that is the
TURPs, and they just shut themdown.
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I mean, gosh, that game was asnoozer.
There was only one goal for eachteam in the third quarter.
I mean.
And, and just that, that defensefor Maryland is just stifling.
So what do you guys, what do youguys have to say about that
contest?
It was nine to six was the finalteam that averages like 15 goals
a game in Georgetown, Maryland.
You know, the Marylanddefensemen in general.
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I mean, going back even to ourera we're always pretty mean and
tough and, you know, kind of adifferent breed than some of the
others.
And you know what?
They showed up made a bigdifference, right?
Right.
No, no doubt me.
Marilyn, to me reminds me ofthe, the old, the Princeton
teams from the nineties, youknow?
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Right.
But they, they don't care howthey look, you know?
They just are gonna beat you,you know, and and you know,
they're a team that.
They, they keep a strangleholdon the pace of the game.
You know, they're not gonnaride, you know, they, you think
about Virginia basketball, youknow people talk about it.
We don't, we don't not, we don'trebound offensively.
They don't ride.
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They drop to the midline.
They want to slow you down.
They want to get their people inthe game.
They want to be right.
Strength in the defensive endand stuff.
And you need to, and it's gonnabe a factor going forward in
this game with Syracuse, Ithink.
Yeah.
And I think the game againstGeorgetown is that you need to
create some chaos with Marylandand it's really hard to do, you
know?
Right.
And, and so you create a littlechaos by winning face offs and
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doing some things like that.
And, georgetown just wasn't ableto do any of those things.
And and Marilyn has the people,like Tommy was implying, Marilyn
has the people on defense tomatch up with Carol in a settled
offensive set.
You know, duke gets themselvesspread out.
You know, they play man Toman,they don't slide a lot.
Mm-hmm.
And, and Carol could beat a guyon the, they could win matchups
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on the perimeter.
And then they were, they hadtheir way of getting to the
goal, you know?
Marilyn's not gonna do that.
They're gonna pack it in.
You know you, you might get anadvantage, you know, dodging
your own guy, but the wholefrigging defensive unit is, is
staring at you, you know?
And and so to me they, the, theinteresting piece of that game
was the fact that John Tillman,you know, is 10 and two in those
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quarterfinal games andGeorgetown right over for the
last 10, you know?
That's right.
That's right.
So.
Was that gonna, you know, thatthat in itself is not a factor,
but it, it's, it's something,you know, and, and I'm sure it
knows right Georgetown guys alittle bit, that they have
struggled and that was alwaysthe, not the knock.
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Dave Y's a wonderful guy and agreat coach, but they couldn't
get out of that, that quarterfinal round, you know?
Right, right.
That was the, that was theblock, the, the stumbling block
for them, you know.
So you know, it wasn't theelectrifying game that the other
ones were.
But there was a lot going onthere.
And for somebody that likes tostudy the game a little bit
there was there was some thingsto like, there also.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
The old saying, it's notnothing, you know, we can't
really say the past is gonnaaffect this game a hundred
percent, but it's not nothing,you know, that tillman's 10 and
two or 10 and one, whatever heis, and Georgetown's oh and 10.
It's something, it's in theirhead a little bit, you know?
So, absolutely.
That was cool.
And then and I think, you know,Marilyn does go all the way.
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It's gonna be the same kind ofthing.
It's gonna be these kind ofstranglehold, defensive, you
know, you know, stances andstops.
And then you've got McNaney.
I mean, McNaney is definitelyone of the best goalies in
college lacrosse.
Again, he's this in his sixthyear, the goalie for the TURPs.
And so we'll see what happens.
But let's move on to the nextgame from that weekend was
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Syracuse, Princeton, 19 to 18.
Holy cow.
That that was.
Absolutely amazing.
1611 with like five seconds leftin the third quarter and then
Princeton scores, so it's 1612going into the fourth, and next
thing you know it's 16 all,Princeton takes the lead 18 to
17.
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That was incredible.
After being down, that wasanother, you know, maybe not
quite as dramatic as the PennState game, but absolutely
dramatic.
You know, they come back, theytake the lead, and then you
gotta give Syracuse credit, youknow, they tie it back up and
then they take the lead andthere's still three minutes left
in the game.
Actually, it was like threeminutes and 50 seconds.
I've got the note here.
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But great to see our good friendhis son, Peter Bonano having
three goals and three assists.
Bernie's son Peter, and so whatare your guys' comments on this
game?
You know, listen, playingSyracuse, I mean, maybe it's
just kind of, you know, the erathat I grew up in with the Gates
and Meek and all the other guys,like, they were like the Harlem
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Globetrotters back in the, sothere's an aura around.
And I don't know if it factoredin at all.
Obviously Princeton had afantastic season.
Bernie's son was unbelievable.
But I just feel like in theseplayoffs a lot of times, you
know, having a little dirtunderneath your fingernails
isn't gonna hurt you.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
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So.
You know, those Syracuse andSyracuse coming in, they had,
you know, at the end of theirseason this year, they had lost
three games in a row going intothat a CC tournament.
And and they win the a CCtournament.
And then here they are in a runin the playoffs.
And for them too, it, I thinkit's been maybe four years in a
row they've lost in thequarterfinals.
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And so that was, you know, inthe back of their head.
Yeah.
And you know, good for them.
They pulled it out.
Dom, what do you have to say?
Not a lot of defense in thisone, I think.
Well, that's I think it wassomething for everybody though.
I mean, if you're a lacrossefan, I mean you, if you were
watching that game, you know,you're a bigger lacrosse fan you
know, just stuff, great stuffgoing on.
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You're right, but neither team.
Neither team was playing anydefense, really.
I mean, you had two teams thatwere sort of a mirror of each
other.
People talked all year aboutPrinceton and how skilled they
were and how well they moved theball and all.
Well, you'd certainly say thatabout Syracuse, that, that the
same thing.
It just, it didn't preoccupypeople the same way that it did
talking about Princeton, youknow?
Right.
But, but it was, that was gonnabe a, you know, sort of who had
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the ball last kind of, kind ofresult really.
'cause neither team was able tostop the other one.
Or was, you know, they, they,you know, and that's a perfect
example of.
Two teams not being willing todo what Maryland does.
You know, when they, when theyget games, you know we're, we're
gonna slow it down.
We're gonna be more patient, youknow, and, and some of my, my
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Virginia teams were guilty ofthat, you know you know that
game that we played in the domethat year 22 to 21?
Oh, right.
We were in a hu we were in oneof the huddles, and I, I looked
in the huddle and I, I said, Heyfellas, we're allowed to slow
this down, you know?
Right.
And they eye contact with me andevery one of them was saying,
you know, muttering under hisbreath, no way, coach.
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You know?
Right, right, right.
But you kind of on one hand wantthat, don't you, knowm.
I think on every, on every levelas a fan.
So you want that, you know, andyou know, and as a coach, you
know, in, I think it's differentin the regular season.
You know, if fair, if you hadsaid to me, Tommy, for you to
win this game, you've gotta takethe air outta the ball.
And I'm taking the air outta theball.
'cause I wanna play on theweekend.
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Of course.
And you know, so maybe in Marchor February, okay, we're gonna
let'em play.
We don't even know who we areyet.
We're gonna, we're gonna let'emplay and get after it and stuff.
And I think that was the beautyof our, some of our games with
Syracuse over the years thatpeople used to talk about.
For sure.
But this was a game in which itreally was, you know who had the
ball last and, and, you know, I,again, it, it feeds into the
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next round of games whereSyracuse is gonna face the exact
opposite of Princeton, you know?
Right, right.
In a team, in a team likeMaryland, you know, and you
know, so if you're, if you'regonna get in a shooting match be
careful with, with Syracuse youknow, maybe especially at this
time of the year you know, sobut it was that was a really,
really exciting, I mean, you didthink.
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You know, at, at so manydifferent times at the end, oh,
okay, Princeton's won.
They're gonna win now.
You know, and Right, right.
Well, it was never over until,until that whistle blew at the,
at the very, very end.
And, and Syracuse happened to beup a goal, you know it was
really a fun game for, foreverybody.
You know, that's, that's kind ofthe way you want it too.
I mean, like as a fan, right?
I mean, obviously AbsoAbsolutely.
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Yeah.
Right.
It just makes so much more funand exciting and, I actually was
talking to Brett Jefferson, youremember the goalie, Syracuse
goalie back in the day?
Today.
Yeah.
And he's all lathered up, soit's, it's, it's fun how all the
alums come out.
Oh, yeah.
You know?
Right.
And the tech start coming andit's really cool.
Fun time beer.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
For Syracuse, you know, we, wetalked about Georgetown and, and
that thing and how to imaginethat Syracuse hasn't been in the
Final Four and.
Yeah, in 12 years now and 12years, exactly right.
I got, I got that in my notes.
12 years.
Oh, first time in 12 years.
They've been to 27 final fours.
They haven't been there in 12years.
Well, in I, in our, in yourgeneration fellas, they were
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there 22 years every year, youknow?
Oh my God.
And that Ronnie have that, thatis sick.
22 years in a row in the finalfour, number 22, the end of it
at 22.
Oh, I'll say going up andplaying in the dome like is just
like, you know, you feel likethe Washington Generals playing
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the Harlem Globetrotters, atleast from Right.
You know, I mean it was like, ohmy God, our freshman, my
freshman year.
Yeah.
Oh God.
We learned from that.
It's crazy.
And this team, you know, isn'tthat characteristic?
I mean they, the gates werephysical on top of being the
best skills, best skilledplayers out there, and probably
the fastest that team is big.
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Like this team is small.
For Syracuse, but they, whenthey're hot, they've got such
good sticks and they know eachother so well, they can
anticipate where guys are going.
And Joey s Plana, you know, whogets a lot of kinda heat for not
really being able to beat hisguy much did beat his guy
several times, had four goalsand four assists and so that
they just found a way.
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It'll be very interesting to seeif they don't get strangled by
the boa constrictor of Maryland.
If they can make that anexciting game, that that would
be cool.
Well, but we're gonna get tothat in a minute.
Let's finish up these games thathappened in the quarter final
round.
So, Cornell Richmond anothergreat game.
And I didn't even jot down thefinal, I think it was 1312.
I.
Corn for sure.
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And if Richmond had had one moreshot, I think,'cause that was
kind of the weak link for, forCornell.
Their goalie only had let mesee, I took the note.
He only had 38% safe percentageon the day and was letting some
shots in that weren't great.
Their defense I thought wasgood.
If Richmond could have had onemore shot, who knows?
And CJ cursed.
You know, played well enough,but he was getting a little
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frustrated.
Had Goldstein really step up.
The other attack, man, long,Michael Long had four assists
and then the midfieldmidfielders picked up the slack
and, and scored.
So what do you guys have to sayabout that matchup?
And Dom, I know Dom's thecommentator for University of
Richmond Spider, so he's watchesthis team closely all season
long.
So let's see what you have tosay there.
Dom thoroughly enjoyed beingassociated with the program.
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I think Coach Danny Ani does agreat job to me.
That game was a, a little bitmore buttoned up version of
Princeton, Syracuse, you knowand I, I thought going into the
game, some people ask me and youknow, I thought that.
Richmond was gonna need somehelp from the Cornell goalie to
have a chance.
You know, they don't have, theydon't really have an an A-list
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offensive guy, Richmond.
They, they, they're, their,their, their strength is in
their group.
You know they, they move theball.
They're unselfish, they'rewilling to do the little things
that you need to do in order towin, you know?
Right.
But at, at, at the same time.
Occasionally you just need, youknow, you need CJ cursed, you
know, and, and one of thereasons I think Pinnell has an
advantage going into this nextweekend is they're the only team
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that has him, you know?
Right, right.
I just think that, you know, inthe game, he had a quiet game.
He had a quiet game.
The first time I.
That Richmond played Cornellearly in the year when Cornell
also beat them by a goal, youknow?
Right.
I was at Richmond, so I wasdoing the TV for that game.
He was, had a very quiet game,but in the end, and I was in the
booth, Dom, you were doing yourbest.
That was impressive.
I think would've in the lastfive minutes, he ha he has the
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ball every time and, and, and hesoftens up a defense, you know?
Right.
Everybody on the Richmonddefense is paying attention to
him and it creates space for allthe other guys on that Cornell
team.
And I think corn, it's.
Has by, by far, I think has thebest, most complete offense of
the teams that are left standinghere going into the final
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weekend, you know, and right.
And so I, I felt like.
Richmond's only gonna have achance if the Cornell goalie
helps him a little bit.
The Cornell goalie's HotRichmond doesn't ha is not
dangerous enough offensively.
And the Cornell goalie did helphim, you know, I mean he, he
just wasn't a factor in thegame.
And, and Viu was, was terrificfor Richmond at the other end.
He was.
Yeah.
You know and so that, that was,that was the key there.
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And and at the end of the day,you know, I Cornell.
Just has a lot of pieces onoffense.
Really impress as I've watchedthe season go on with Young
Goldstein, you know?
Right.
Really have a nice balance thatthose three attack men work
really well together.
You know, long has been, youknow, this we're talking about,
we're all Ivy League guys.
You're not supposed to be an IvyLeague school for six years,
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undergraduate, extra long.
Long and Goldstein and cursed.
You know, they got the righty.
You know, he's smart.
He can finish out there on, onLong Goldstein and X, you know,
he's not quite his dad yet, buthe, but he's getting there and
and, and cursed is a phenomenon.
I think, you know, he just, I.
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His superpower to me is makingthe players around him better.
You know?
Right, right.
You look at some guys, somesimilar guys recently, and I
don't mean, you know, BrennanO'Neill was an animal, you know?
Right.
He was, he was stronger thancursed, you know but Kurt's
ability to move without theball, his ability to pass, you
know, his ability to, to be agood shooter, you know, from
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different spots and stuff.
It just elevates all those otherguys, creates space for all
those other guys.
And, and like I said earlierCornell's the only team that has
him.
And occasionally, as you guysare well aware, you know, you
just need your big boy.
To step up and make a play foryou, you know?
Right.
And he's capable of doing that,you know you know, so it, it was
a, it was, to me, that was thebest game of the weekend in the
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sense that was really goodlacrosse.
Two teams.
Right.
You know, playing smartly.
Did a nice job on defense.
Both groups, even though Cornellwas struggling a little bit.
The cage, you know, you know,Richmond wasn't a team that's
gonna come down and just run bypeople, and they needed to take
a little time.
They did.
They kept getting chances.
You know, they would, they were,they were they were good in
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terms of finishing their, theirgood opportunities you know but
in the end ologists had alittle, a little too much for my
doctor.
Mm, right.
Absolutely.
All right, well, great.
Let's get into our preview forFinal four Championship weekend.
So we've got, let's go rightinto Cornell versus Penn State.
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Since we're talking Cornell theyplayed during the regular season
that is Cornell's only loss ofthe year in overtime to Penn
State which is certainlyinteresting and and funny, I
actually watched that game justthe fourth quarter and it was 12
to eight.
Cornell.
And the funny thing is PennState did not have Lehman and
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they did not have Matt Trainor.
They both were outta the gamefor whatever reason, they didn't
play.
And but it was kind ofunfortunate because there was a
penalty on the face off thatdidn't look as brutal as they,
they called it, they called it atwo minute non releaseable, and
that did help Penn State.
They scored like three goals onthat.
It was like two and a halfminutes left in the game.
They're down by four goals.
They tied it and then theywanted an ot.
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So that was, it was a, you know,definitely wouldn't want to call
it Fluke, but it's not nothing.
Again, it, you know what, thisfavors Cornell, you know, I
mean, it's their only loss,right.
We're not gonna see'em sneakingup on'em.
Yeah.
And you know, they're latheredup.
And I, listen, I've been playingwith the Rusty Red.
Lacrosse team now for a fewyears.
And oh, we speak state, lot ofcolor from, from all the guys,
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Timmy and Tado and Liba, allthese guys.
And they're great guys, youknow, and they're and, and, you
know, they are pretty locked in.
And I think that you know,everything's kind of lining up
for'em.
Now they, they gotta execute.
But seeing that that was theironly loss.
I think just is gonna make'emthat much.
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I mean, listen, kids are stillcollege kids, right?
Right, right.
But I think that that loss isgonna stick with them and make
'em, maybe take a couple extrashots and, you know, run a
little harder and just be alittle bit more focused.
Which as we all know in thesetight games, that little micro
edge might be the difference.
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Right, and nobody saw it comingin 2023 though, when Penn State
hung with Duke.
So I think it's gonna be a heckof a game.
Just some little stats here.
The actually the, I think it's,his name is Kent Orno, the
goalie for Cornell.
He was actually 29%.
Against wow.
Against Richmond, saypercentage.
He's 52% on the year though.
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And then against Penn State,when he, when they lost, he was
38%.
So that'll, that'll have to keepan eye on that.
Freon is a good goalie.
He's got a Final fourexperience, yet he's 49%.
On the year, say percentage, sointeresting to look at.
And then faceoff percentage, wegot a guy from Garden City, Jack
Cadden.
He is at 62% of the year.
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He is done very well, but thisfreshman for Penn State has done
very well.
He's only really been thestarter for the last three or
four games.
First game he started wasagainst Maryland.
He was 75%.
Oh no, no, 82.
82% against Maryland, againstMaryland.
On May 1st, and then Colgate, heis 75%.
And he didn't play much in thatCornell game.
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So it'll be interesting to seethat matchup.
Dom, what do you, what do youhave to say about this Penn
State versus Cornell matchuphere?
I, I, I think that I think thatthe neither playing particularly
well, and so he, both goaliesare a little bit of a wild card,
I think.
And you know, I, it's hard toimagine.
One of them could get red hot.
But even above, if, even if oneof them get above 50%, it would
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be a positive for esteem.
Right.
But I think, you know, when,when people talk about games,
you always, you almost, youalmost always talk about goalies
and faceoff play.
I would say that both of thoseare a wash, you know mm-hmm.
And so I don't see a bigadvantage for either team that
way there.
You know both teams I think havesolid defensive personnel.
But I think the difference inbetween the two teams is.
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Cornell has more piecesoffensively, you know right.
I, I I don't think the zone willbe as effective against Cornell
as it would be, as it was in, inthe, in the past game and stuff.
They've got that guy at X andthey can play Goldstein back
there, and he is very good atit.
And, and that having that guy atx.
Gives you the ability to changethe field almost instantly, you
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know, and so that, right.
Much more dangerous and all.
And you know, so between thethree attack men and then
Kelleher and, and the other kidthe other kid in the, on, in the
midfield 51 51, can't think ofhis name.
He's very good.
Got five guy.
If you've got five guys onoffense, you know, now you can
attack the shorts.
Really attack the short you're,you're, you're you're gonna be
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much more dangerous offensively.
And, and like I say, it's mostlya trainer in Lehman for Penn
State in terms of being able toinitiate mm-hmm.
Like I say, given a week toprepare.
You know, I would think, I thinkit's a significant advantage for
Cornell with, with the, withthe, with the personnel that
they have on, on offense, youknow?
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So, okay.
Let's get a prediction done.
What, what's your score?
The score of the game?
Yeah.
I.
Well, you know, like I say, I, Idon't think if a goalie is not a
factor I think you're gonna havea hard time keeping Cornell
under 15, you know?
And and you know, Tom, that'syour prediction then.
Who knows?
I can't tell you if the goalieis gonna be a factor or not.
You gotta factor that in.
Well, no, well, I'm, I, I'mgiving you a score.
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My, my score for the for thatgame would be 1511 Cornell.
Ooh, nice.
Tommy t what do you say?
Yeah, I was, I was thinking 16,10 in my head the whole time
when Don was talking, so, Ooh,come on, Tommy.
You were not thinking that.
Yes, I was.
Yes, I was.
Tom, I have written down here 14to 12, just'cause, I mean, I, I,
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I could lean, I could definitelysee,'cause most of Cornell's.
Tough games.
They did win by like five goals.
They beat Princeton by five,they beat Syracuse by five.
I don't know.
They beat a bunch of teams thatare good by like five goals, so
I would go with that, but I'mjust gonna go with that.
Penn State really steps up inthese big games, so I'm gonna
say they're pesky.
But I agree.
I think Cornell is just toomuch.
They, they're too balanced.
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And as Dom just said, if they dothrow out that zone, that might
even be, you know, the kiss ofdeath.
'cause I think the zone, theywould eat that alive.
The the big red and.
They have, they have good rainshooting the ball cursed, right?
Kelleher cursed too.
Well, Kelleher's good.
You know, they are so it's, it'stough to, tough to be good in
the zone when you can attackfrom X and you got rain shooting
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the ball.
So you're gonna pull that zoneout a little bit, you know?
You know, so I just think good.
Cornell, like I said earlier, isI think the best offensive team
in the weekend.
And, and I think there'll be alittle too much for Penn State
on Saturday.
Right.
I'm with you.
All right.
Next up actually, given it wastheir only loss, right?
Right.
That's the thing.
I agree.
If they, let's say they hadn'tplayed them and or maybe they
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beat'em by five.
Right.
And I think they could sneak upon them, but that's their own
rules.
They were on, they were oncourse to beat them by five Jay,
you know, I mean Oh, true.
You didn't mention that whenthey were.
You know, those four goals werescored in the last 2 27 of that
game, right?
I mean, it was 12 eight with twoand a half minutes to play.
You know, that's, I was, I wassitting there watching it, you
know, in my living room and Ijust couldn't believe my eyes.
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I'm like, well, you get, it'susually kinda like a minute, a
goal when, when it's a big, whenit's more than two goals.
I mean, obviously you can scoretwo goals and, and.
15 seconds if you needed to, butif it's four goals, it's kind of
that rule.
Like, but yeah, it, it was, itwas very unusual.
So yeah.
Didn't, we didn't, didn't webeat Loyola that one year down
at Loyola?
By, when were we down four by?
We were down 12.
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Seven.
We were down by five.
In, in, in the fourth, but wehad the whole fourth quarter.
It was kind of the beginning ofthe fourth quarter when they
scored that call to make it 12seven.
Yeah.
But yeah, true.
We did, but we had we'd littlemore time than that.
All right, so let's go with SUversus Maryland.
This is interesting to kind ofjust think about.
You know, you know, but I'lllet's see, what, what are the
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notes here?
Well, you know, just thatSyracuse is so good offensively
with their sticks.
He got Spel Owen, HIL, MichaelLeo, Sam English, this freshman,
Peyton Anderson has been reallya powerful kind of mid-season
edition.
And their goalie McCool playedvery well against Princeton.
I mean, he, he might've been thedifference in a, in a 1918 game,
if that's possible.
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But he had 12 saves and he hadthe last left'cause he had two
saves at the end of that game.
So so that's, you know, that'swhat Syracuse has.
Their defense is solid.
I apologize for not havingnames, but I do know that number
81 is really good and oh mygosh, who's our guy?
The name's escaping me.
I'm having a, a moment here.
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But anyway, they, their defenseis solid, but you know, we know
who Maryland has.
They've got Spanos Braden, Ursa,Daniel Kelly.
They are all, you know, notgonna blow you away, but they're
all super solid.
They all have like 40 points.
They've got three midfielders,all with 30 points.
So they're, they're essentiallylow scoring, but they're
consistent.
You know, they've got KeeganFord and Whit eight at the
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midfield.
And their defense obviously isoutstanding, along with their
goalie might be the best goaliein the tournament and probably
one of the best goalies in thecountry.
So guys, what do you think aboutthis one?
I.
I would, I would say you know,McNaney could be the difference
in the game.
But I do think McCool is solid.
And so I don't think there yougo into that game thinking you
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have a real deficit in the goal.
You know?
You know, I think that Syracuseneeds to be very good facing
off.
'Cause again, I think we talkedabout a little bit earlier, I
think they really need a littlebit more chaotic pace in order
to thrive here.
You know, and, and you right.
Hate that coming off the face,off and ground balls off the
wing and things like that.
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And, and they need to attack inthe unsettled, and Marilyn is
the best team at.
Limiting unsettledopportunities, you know?
Right.
But that's a great point.
'cause looking up their face offGuy Mullin is 64% for Syracuse,
and then they got of a kind of atag team for Maryland and
they're 52%, but they've hadsome games where they're like
17% or 20%, you know, Maryland.
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So that's a great point.
Yeah.
I I, if there's a key guy, Ithink it might be Mullen.
I, I think that Syracuse needsto be really good facing off
because they will have morepossessions then.
But then also I think they havea chance to create situations
that they can thrive in.
I, you know, they, they weregood offensively in this game
against Princeton.
It's hard to know if they'regood enough, you know,
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offensively in the box, youknow?
And so, you know, I look at, Ilook at Syracuse against
Maryland and say, okay, who'swinning their matchup on for
them on offense?
You know?
Right.
Who's running by?
Somebody who's running, runningby one of those Maryland poles,
you know?
And, and the person, one of theguys you might be looking for is
a kid like English, you know?
Right.
Somebody like that who's gonnaattack out in the midfield where
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they may be a little bit morevulnerable.
You know, so i, you know, thisone will, this is a very
interesting chess match here.
I think, you know again, youknow, Maryland does not ride,
which, so they don't give up alot of those unsettled
opportunities.
They want to get in the box ondefense.
They want to get their personnelin the game.
Mm-hmm.
They, they wanna defend you inthe box.
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They will.
Take advantage of unsettledopportunities when they produce
them.
But then, but again, they're ateam that is not, doesn't have
any problem going deep into ashot clock.
And so, you know, if, if it'snot right, if it's not wide open
and obvious, they're gonna pulla ball out, sub their people in
and they, you know, you justfeel like they're putting a
stranglehold on the game alittle bit.
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Kinda like your, you what do youpublic constrictor, constrictor
a little bit.
You know, it's a hybrid turtle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I, I, I, you know, the.
TURPs kind of had their way withthem the first time around.
Right.
It was like 11 seven and itwasn't that close.
Yeah.
But it was like the second orthird week of the season.
It was early.
I don't, I mean, I thinkSyracuse maybe playing better
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right.
But I still, I still think thatI think that TURPs maybe have
too much experience and too muchdefense for him.
And so I'll, I'll hear whatTommy has to say before I make
my.
I like it.
I like it.
I, I kind of lean with you.
You know, I mean, the TURPs are,are, are battle tested and
they're veterans and Syracuse,you know, has had a kind of
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so-so year for Syracuse, right.
And they, I think after winningthat first game, probably
exhaled a little bit.
You can't really exhale in theplayoffs.
You gotta fricking tighten it upand be locked in all everybody.
Right, right.
And yeah, I mean, I like theerritory and that, and that's a
good point because I thinkSyracuse, you know, they, they
kind of hit, had to hit the peakto beat Princeton it seems like.
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Right.
And they, you know, all theseteams.
It was interesting looking atall these teams coming in, in
the beginning of the season,like every team, duke, Virginia.
Not really UNC, not reallySyracuse, all those other teams
lost a lot of players.
Maryland lost a lot of playersfrom last year.
Notre Dame lost, you know, everyteam lost basically like six top
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players.
It seemed like top starters,except really for Syracuse.
I mean, UNC returned a lot ofguys, but they returned a lot of
freshmen.
Guys were freshmen last year andsophomores, but Syracuse had a
lot of these guys who wereexperienced.
So I thought they were gonnacome flying out of the gate.
And then maybe it would taketime for a team like Maryland to
catch up, kind of what happenedlast year with Maryland.
But that really, they reallywere kind of slow and they're
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gelling, but I feel like forthem to.
To win a game like thatPrinceton game.
I mean they have just gotta beflying on all cylinders.
Like they don't have much marginfor victory.
And as Dom was saying, you know,I would agree.
I don't think there's any wayguys like Joey Sina and Owen
Helt as good as they are, arerunning by defensemen for
Maryland.
Like that is just not gonnahappen English though.
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He's a two-way mid I think thatis a great point.
Like he could pick up the balloff the face, off their face off
guy actually shoots well.
Off the break himself.
That is gonna be the key, but Idon't, I just don't know that
they, they've got enough in thetank.
So I, I'll tell you too, youknow, it's funny I think that
all this conversation about Linanot being able to run, run by
anybody has got his attention,you know?
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Right.
And so it'll be interesting tosee, you know probably playing
against the best individualdefensemen in the country here
from Maryland.
It'll be interesting to see whatimpact he has on the game.
There have been games when.
He really hasn't been too muchof a factor because he can't, he
can't generate some, in some, insome situations he was a little
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bit better, but I don't knowthat whether or not it speaks to
Princeton's defense or not, youknow, and I think different for
Maryland.
One of the things we haven'treally talked about that I think
is a factor too, is that, I'lltell you, Marilyn's not great on
offense.
You know, you know, for them,for them to get Yeah.
Ranking wise, they're likenumber 25 in offensive
efficiency for them to get to 10goals.
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Would, you know, you'd say incertain circumstances that, that
that'd be pretty good.
And so you're saying you gottahold Syracuse under 10, you
know?
Right.
And so so it'll that, that, thatpiece of it will be very
interesting.
So this is, this game is alittle bit more of the, of the
chess match that I think that'llbe interesting to see how it
plays out.
Well, I'll say Dom another greatpoint because a stat just popped
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into my head while I waswatching that game.
They said the TURPs, if theyhold the other team to 10 or
less are 132 and 12.
It's like a 92% win percentage.
So yeah, I think you're right.
That magic number is gonna be 10goals.
Like if they can hold'em to 10goals, like it's, forget about
it.
But if Syracuse can score 11 or12, then game on again.
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When we're talking about, I'lltake the under, we're talking
about Virginia basketball, youknow, the fact that they always
had a very low goals, again,baskets against that, points
against average.
Yeah.
And that is not so much doesn'tspeak to their defense, it
speaks to, to their offense.
You know, it, it speaks to howdo you wanna play on offense.
And so again, Maryland desperateto keep the score down, goes
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deep into the shot clockoftentimes.
And they're very comfortabledoing that.
So they're subbing people in,right?
They're holding the ball, youknow and, and Syracuse has gotta
figure out a way to sort of, Ithink, break that.
Break that chain a little bit ifthey can.
You know, so it'll beinteresting to see if they can
do it.
And again, I think the face offpiece is one where, where it's
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the more obvious opportunity todo those kind of things.
That's why I think Syracuseneeds to be very good at DX on
Saturday.
Right.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think that's kind oftheir, their only chance and,
and it's actually good chancefor them to keep it close.
'cause they definitely have theadvantage at the X and Maryland
used to love to have that slowlevel of play when they had that
dominant face-off guy for fiveor six years who's not there
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anymore.
So so definitely interesting.
All right, let's get predictionson this one.
Coach Starge, what do you say?
I was, I was gonna pickMaryland.
And you know, like I say, I, Ithink, you know, playing
Syracuse creates some unsettledopportunities for your own team,
and I, I think Maryland needs totake advantage of those when
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those opportunities presentthemselves.
So I think that's a good point.
I think they are likely to getto 12.
But I, I think that they, theyhold Syracuse to eight, so I
would say 12 eight.
Ooh, I already have it on myphone.
I have 11 eight.
I I was just literally 11, ninecoming outta my mouth.
Next.
All right, let's put it down.
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Nice.
All right, cool.
Well, now let's assume thatCornell wins and Maryland wins.
So let's do a little, littlechat about a potential national
championship game betweenCornell and the Terrapins of
Maryland.
Dom, what do you say?
Best offense in the game and thebest defense in the game, you
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know on, on opposite sidelines.
Right.
I think, I think Cornell is.
Special on offense, you knowagain, McNaney could be a big
factor in a game like that, youknow?
Right.
He steps up.
Cornell's not that experienced,you know, he's, he steals a
couple, you know Cornell startsto grip their sticks a little
tighter.
You know, going on.
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Marilyn's a little bit moreexperienced, I think in those,
in those kind of situations.
But I'm an Ivy League guy andyou know I'm not like Tommy.
I'm not a Homer.
I didn't play for Rusty Red.
But I would I, I would take theoffensive team in that game and
I, I, I, I'd go with the Big redNICE Score Score.
Hmm.
I hadn't really thought aboutthat.
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Well, hard to keep them under15, but I think Marilyn could
probably do that.
So let's call that game let'scall that game 13 nine.
Ooh, nice.
It's, it's unbelievable.
Like literally, I, I was saying14 eight, but like every game we
picked Dom and I have been likeone goal on either side.
Right?
Right.
And I'm right with you on thisone.
I'm there, I'm 12 eight, but.
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Tee Tee, let's hear your, yourbreakdown.
What do you think?
I just, I mean, maybe I'm biasedbecause I just love those
Cornell guys because I've beenplaying with them for so long.
I mean, come on.
I, I, I'm having troublelistening to this phrase over
and over again, but Go ahead.
No, it's, listen.
I mean, you know, listen, I lovethe brown guys too, but you
know, what do you love more?
I think that's the question.
It's not an either or, you know,it's, it's like, who do you love
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more?
Your mom or your dad, right?
I mean, oh my God.
Wow.
Yeah.
But anyways, I mean, you know,I've just hung around with them.
I mean, obviously, I.
You know, love Bernie and Italked to him the other day and
you know, obviously could wetalk about the teams towers?
Okay.
How about these two teams thatare mentioned background?
Cornell's gonna win the game.
Cornell's a deeper team.
They got the momentum and I justdon't think there's any way they
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lose his game.
Okay.
Score.
Oh, you said a 13, nine.
Yeah.
Okay.
I like it.
Think, think of it this way,fellas.
Who do you like, who do you likeon 36 hours?
Rest.
True rest is important.
That's fair.
Yeah.
I have a week.
You have a week going into yoursemi-final game.
You got a day and a half goinginto the final game, you know?
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Does that favor the moreexperienced team with the more
way a lot more experiencedcoach, you know?
Yeah.
Or does it do you still likeCornell's depth in that
situation?
Tommy, I, I, I mean, I justthink that, cornell's a better
team, top to bottom.
And if they're playing in thenational championship, I mean,
maybe they're a little moretired or whatever, but I just
(43:08):
think that you know, the creamrises and they have a lot of
synergy as a group and momentum.
So I may be wrong, but I just,that's what I believe is gonna
happen.
Gotcha.
I like it.
I think that's a good pointthough, Dom, and in fact, Quint
(43:29):
Knick was talking about that forMaryland in that they don't have
a lot of depth at they'remidfield and he is kind of
pointing the finger at that factsaying that that might be why
they lose a lot of finals.
'cause he says, you look at alot of these teams, I think
Coach Tillman is two in six infinals, two in six losses.
And he's, he's saying they don'treally have the depth, which is
(43:50):
true.
They don't have the depth ofmidfield, that's for sure.
And I don't, I don't really knowabout D Midi so much, but
interesting.
But I, and I think that the Xfactor to your point could be CJ
cursed.
Like they don't have like, youknow, the guy that if people are
a little, you know, tired out,like the end of that.
First game against Richmondduring the regular season, he
might've had two goals and twoassists in the game.
(44:12):
But when they scored four in arow he had like two hockey
assists.
You know, as, as you weresaying, Dom, he draws the whole
defense in and he's not afraidto just give it up, who get who,
you know, get it back toGoldstein, who then.
Attacks the weak side for afeed, you know, so like, he's
very unselfish.
So I think he's the X factor.
I certainly could see Marilyndoing it because of McNaney and
(44:36):
because of the experience theyhave there.
But Cornell, CJ Kst was in the,in the finals when he was a
freshman, so was, who elseKelleher was there.
So they have some guys who werethere, they have a defenseman,
they, Chris Davis is a shortstick d midi who was there too.
So they've got some guys who'vebeen there before.
So it's certainly, I think thatwill be a hell of a game as
(44:56):
well.
And what I got jotted that down,I don't think I'm going with 12
eight Cornell wins their firstnational title since 1977.
People have always asked me, youknow, how do you win close
games?
And I don't mean to be flip, butmy, my response is that good
players, you know, and and welost our first, we lost our
first two.
(45:16):
Times in the NCA cha in NCAfinals and overtime.
Right.
It was, you know, Kevin Lowe thefirst time, and Jesse Hubbard
the second time.
You know?
Right.
And you know, the fact that theyhave CJ do have CJ sd, you know
it just, you know, those guyshave a way of making a play
when, when a game is beingdecided.
And if it comes down to, down tosomething like that, that that
(45:36):
could be the difference rightthere, you know?
And I, I could say, I don'tthink we can overstate.
The, the influence of CJKerstan, you know, honors on the
sport this year and on thesegames in particular.
Even when he has that quietgame, he just, you know,
everybody's looking at him, youknow?
Right.
Again, you're suggesting thehockey assisting is a good
(45:58):
analogy because he creates spacefor these other guys.
You know when we were, when wewon the championship in 2011, if
you had said to me before thegame.
Steel Stanwick and Chris B, weregonna have one assist between
them.
No way you would've said that Wewere gonna win that game.
And Steel was very, he wassatisfied to be the hockey
assist guy, and that's what hehad about four or five hockey
(46:20):
assists in that game.
Mm-hmm.
We only won nine, seven.
That's what the, that's what thegreat ones are willing to do
whatever it takes to win.
And and Cornell's got that guy,and, and that, that could be the
difference.
Right.
One of the famous, he used touse that saying, right Dom.
Which one was that?
Is that right?
Whatever, whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes to win, baby.
(46:40):
Right.
Good stuff.
Well, excellent guys, this hasbeen fantastic.
I, I just love all thecommentary and even looked up a
few facts here or there.
So any, any final thoughts?
I just hope with their, theirtight games and comes down to
the, the last goal, and I justis always so much more fun and
(47:02):
exciting for everybody.
I'm with you there if you'relosing sight.
Of course.
It's been a good ending to avery intriguing season, you
know, and I think collegesports, college lacrosse could
be go undergoing big changes inthese next couple of years.
You know, I don't know whetheror not I.
You know, this is the end of anera or the beginning of a new
thing.
But if this NCA legislationpasses and teams can give out an
(47:26):
unlimited number ofscholarships, essentially you're
gonna have a disparity amongstthat can afford it and not so
and mm-hmm.
Big, big changes afoot.
I think so I think enjoy thisone while we have it, and I
think it's gonna be a greatweekend.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
All right guys, everybody have agreat weekend.
Thanks so much for being on theshow, guys, and thanks.
We'll speak to you soon.
(47:47):
All right, take care.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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