In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop,' hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird interview Bryan Kelly, renowned lacrosse coach from Calvert Hall High School, discussing his undefeated 1991 national championship team at Carolina and his journey in coaching. The conversation delves into the dynamics of that remarkable team, standout players, and influential mentors like Coach Joe Breschi and legendary figures Willie Scroggs and Dom Starsia. Kelly also shares insights on developing a winning mindset, building a cohesive team, and his experiences leading Calvert Hall to multiple championships. Additionally, the podcast touches on recruiting insights, player development tips, and the importance of character and simplicity in successful coaching. The episode concludes with a look ahead at Calvert Hall's promising future and the impact of lacrosse on youth development.
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00:59 Welcome and Introduction to Brian Kelly
01:34 Brian Kelly's Championship Insights
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13:43 John Tope and Coaching Journey
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the show.
And for those who are new to theprogram, well we'd like to say
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welcome to you as well.
We're so glad you're joining usfor this second portion of our
interview series with six timeMIAA champion, and four time
coach of the Year from CalvertHall High School in Baltimore.
The great Brian Kelly.
If you have not heard part oneof the series, we highly
recommend you go back and checkit out.
As it was pure Podcast Gold.
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Now we will roll with therecording and you will find this
interview picking up right wherewe left off last time.
So what was, flash forward toyour senior year, what were,
what were the difference makersfor that undefeated 91 national
championship team at Carolinathat you were a part of?
What really defined that group?
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I, I would say was a hell of ateam.
Yeah.
It, it was a team like I wouldsay the, the 88 team that I was
on as a freshman.
That was the most talented teamI.
Played with it.
Carolina unfortunately ran intosch smaller Cornell, and he, he
just was unreal.
Kind of like your experienceagainst Marilyn run into a hot
goalie and, and that happens,you know, and Yeah.
(02:10):
Mm-hmm.
They, they, they, we went homeearly and, you know, that year I
felt like we had the talent towin it, but in 91.
Again, it was kind of likeMarilyn this year with like, not
a lot of stars going in.
No one really thought we weregreat.
But Dennis Goldstein, you knowTimmy's younger brother, who's a
senior with me that year he wasthe offensive player of the
year.
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He was just, Dennis was one ofthose guys that was really good
at everything.
He wasn't like great atanything.
He just did.
He could score, he could feed.
He just was tough.
And he did that and then super,super solid, you know,
maintained possession, like, youknow, everything like a master.
Like if you watched him play,you'd be like, not popping off
the screen, but you would lookat the statue.
He's like, God, he was three andtwo.
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He was four and three.
You know, he was that guy and hejust could end a game.
And then defensively we hadGraham Harden.
He was my roommate and he wasgreat.
God rest his soul.
He was unbelievable.
He covered the number one and hewas the defensive player of the
year, and he was outstanding.
And then, you know, midfield, itwas super, super intense too.
You know, he coached us, wasthat our freshman year at Brown?
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It was his older brother.
His older brother.
Yeah.
That was boy.
Oh, that's right.
That was Boyo.
Right, right, right, right,right.
Yes.
Graham was out here.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Graham had great hands.
He played hockey and you know,now you can't take the ball
away, but Graham could take theball away and I, I made a living
off of Graham'cause he would getthe ball on the ground and I was
good at it, right up ball up.
So, you know, I led the team inground balls and that was
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completely because of ground.
Oh man.
He just would just get the ballon the ground and I would get
it.
Yeah.
And then but I think what set usapart was.
We rode really well.
We had a great riding team.
We would score three or fourgoals off of rides.
We played five attack men.
You know, we played threemidfield units.
Fortunately, I liked that weonly played three download
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defenders, but, you know,because I didn't like to rotate
out, but Right.
You know, we also rotate, andthat could be demoralizing when
you're scoring goals off a ride,you know, it's one thing, you
know, you don't clear it.
It's another thing that they getan immediate goal.
You know what I mean?
I remember that from that team.
They were, it's like a, just amillion people playing, you
know, like you said, you'replaying three midfield, you're
playing five attack men.
Yes.
And it was just like a swarm.
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I mean, it was like, forgetabout it.
Yeah.
And Coach k Carmen, he had onerule, like if you don't ride,
you don't play.
And so, like if guys weren'triding hard, they came off and
he put another guy on.
Yeah.
And you know and defensively we,you know, we weren't the biggest
group.
We just played great teamdefense.
And then we had a guy named AndyPiazza in the Goal who was Oh
yeah.
Outstanding.
(04:39):
And for me personally, I lovedplaying in front of Andy'cause
he was the best communicatinggoalie I've ever played for in
my life.
Mm-hmm.
Like, and I loved that'cause he,he was your eyes and ears and he
was just, he was great to playwith.
So it was, it was this, youknow, just, it was a team we won
because it was just completely ateam.
(05:00):
Yep.
That's great.
Then tell us best team ever tellthe, yeah, tell us about the
young assistant coach.
That's also a friend of the showwho I think I, I, the last time
we got to really hang out, Brianwas at this guy's 50th birthday
party.
Yeah.
Down at Chapel Hill.
Yeah.
So tell us about a youngassistant coach, Joe Brushy went
from teammate to your assistantcoach that year in 91, and now
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of course.
The very successful head coachof the Tar Heels.
Right.
Of course.
You played alongside him forthree years too, right?
Yeah, he was great.
I mean, you know, I love playingwith Joe.
He was one of the all time bestdefenders ever to come outta
Carolina.
And then he, when he came inand, and he took over the
defense, you know, not obviouslyCoach Klarman became the head
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coach.
Our senior year he was thedefensive coordinator, so his
hand print was in on it.
But like, I'll tell you a littleside story.
So when Job first became.
The defensive coordinator, youknow, him and I talked and I
told him, I'm like,'cause I wasa senior, I was like, Joe, you
just gotta rip me one day inpractice and, and I'll just,
we'll take it like, just rip me.
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And so to set the tone.
And Joe's so nice.
Like, he, he never really didit.
He got on me as nice as Joedoes.
But you know, he, I knew he knewwhat he was doing and he coached
us and it, and, and he hadcomplete authority over our
defense.
And everybody, you know, Grahamand I both played with Joe.
We were one year removed, butthere was that respect of
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knowing, like, he's our coachand what he says goes, and there
was no question in that.
And it was also great too,because Joe could understand and
relate to us.
And so yeah, you know, he, hedid an awesome job with, with
our defense and you know, andhe, there's, it didn't matter.
He was only one year removed.
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We all knew he was our coach andhe was in charge.
Mm, that's great.
And that was the first year.
That's a tough thing to do for,yeah.
Yeah, honor, that was the firstyear of school.
First year that Klarman was thehead coach Was when you were a
senior.
Okay.
Gotcha.
And again, he did a, and wasScroggs the head coach right
before that?
Scroggs was my head coach forthree years.
So Willie brought all, it wasall Willie's guys.
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He brought in and Willie wasgreat.
I mean, he, he, because Iremember meeting Carmen in a
recruiting.
Meeting, he came to Garden Cityand he was not the friendliest
guy in the world.
No.
He did not make any friends thatday.
I'll tell you that.
I think that's, you know, I, I,we called him coach happy, you
know, sometimes because, youknow, but Coach K was great, you
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know, he was, it took me a whileto you know, it was hard my
first two years playing forcoach, you know?
Yeah.
But then I, I learned a lot fromhim and it, it, you know, helped
me.
And he ended up being a reallygreat coach, and he knew what he
was talking about, and he reallyloved the guys, and he loved his
players.
And, and he was all about his,his guys, you know, type of guy,
(07:54):
Uhhuh, but, you know, he wasbrutally honest.
Right.
Brutal.
That's what I, brutally honest.
Right.
And that carried over to hisrecruiting.
He was brutally honest.
And you Right.
You know, you knew what you weregetting, I guess, with him.
Yeah.
You, you, you knew what you sawas what you got, you know,
right.
Now, what was Scroggs like?
He's kind of a legendary guy.
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He was a legendary coach.
I mean, he's one of the bestcoaches ever.
Willie was very calm.
But Willie, when he got mad, he,he knew he would let you play,
but he ran a, a tight shipwithout many rules, you know,
his rules were like, you knowjust don't be stupid, you know,
type of thing.
Yeah.
But, you know, he, he was greatin the riding and clearing game.
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He, he was very smartoffensively defensively.
He let Coach Carmen run the, thedefense.
I, I learned a lot from Willie.
And he managed the game and, andhe was one of the all time best
college coaches to, to be, youknow, I think he won three
national championships as aright college coach.
So he, yeah.
It's funny, Jay listening,listening to that and
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remembering Dom's two rules.
You know, and, and I think thereis something to learn from these
guys who kept it simple.
You know, Dom's two rules, don'tbe late and don't be an asshole.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, and, and you know, like,it sounds silly, but when you
think about it, right?
He's saying, be on time, takeresponsibility and be a good
person.
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You know?
Right.
Don't be a jerk.
And then, and then when he wouldleave, you know, practice, he'd
say like, you know, take care ofyourself.
Take care of each other.
You know, that was Yeah.
Every day.
That's what he'd say every time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's how, you know, Williewas, he, you know, you never
wanted to be called into hisoffice.
You know, he, he was like, lookit, I'm, I'm in charge.
You know, like I make the rules.
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So like, if you cross it,you're, you're, you know, and
you knew the boundary, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
He, he, he was, you know, he wasa legend.
He.
He is a legend.
He was just a he, he made, hebuilt Carolina Lacrosse.
Right.
It was Willie Scroggs who, whocreated it.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Pretty cool.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
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J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Two legendary coaches, WillieScroggs of UNC and Dom Storia of
Brown and UVA.
Coach Scroggs was recruited tobe the next coach at North
Carolina when he was anassistant at Johns Hopkins.
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He would inherit a six and sixteam that had gone one and three
in the A, CC.
next 12 years, he would take theTor heels to 11 consecutive NCAA
tournaments, nine final fours,and would win three national
championships in 19 81, 82, andin 1986.
And over the course of those twoconsecutive seasons, 81 and 82,
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he led the to heels to a 26 andoh record before Dom Starer
arrived in Charlottesville, UVAhad won one national
championship in 75 years.
In 24 years under Star'sleadership, the Cavaliers won
four titles.
Now, how did these coachesachieve these lofty heights?
Was it through a lot ofrhetoric, a lot of chitchat?
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No.
Both were meant a few words.
Talking to players from bothprograms over the years and
having played for Staria atBrown, I know they had a deep
burning desire for success.
When recruiting, they kept itsimple and looked for the most
passionate athletic players theycould find.
But with one caveat, the playershad to be a very high character.
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The men who came to play forthem knew from the get go that
there were high expectations,which extended out to even
higher standards for those thatwould be chosen to become the
leaders of their teams.
The phrase, a passion forexcellence sums up what these
two men and the players theycoached embodied.
Each allowed their players totake initiative and play with
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energy and lots of enthusiasm,but they did have guardrails.
No matter how creative andexplosive you want your players
to play, they have to haveguardrails.
There's gotta be someboundaries, as Coach Kelly just
said, and understanding thatthere is a line, a line
regarding your effort, yourcommitment to the team and your
behavior that you simply do notcross.
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So as Coach Starge would say,take care of yourself and when
needed, you take care of oneanother and steer them away from
going off the rails.
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Now, another guest we had in theprogram was Brown's new head
coach, John Tope.
Yeah.
And after a little research, wefound out that his senior year
was your first year coaching,right.
As a head coach at Hall.
Yep.
So tell us, you know, what thatwas like and what, what a
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younger coach tope was like backthen.
That must've been fun.
My first year, year, I remember,can't remember exactly what he
said, but he was like, oh, youknow, if it wasn't for Brian
Kelly, I wasn't gonna go.
It was something, I forgetexactly what it was, but it was
something big.
Well, when Toury, my first yearas the JV head coach was his
freshman year, so I coached himhis freshman year.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I mean, I, he came in, he wasthis chubby fat kid, you know,
coming in on the jv and hecouldn't really run, you know,
he was a little overweight, buthe was, he had the greatest
stick, he could get everythingoff the ground.
And, you know, he made jv andthen TOI just transformed
himself in high school, youknow, like Really?
Yeah.
And, and became a, a dominantplayer.
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And then, so my senior year hissenior year I became the head
varsity coach.
And Uhhuh, you know, toury was aawesome, and, and at that time
he was trying to figure outwhere to go and getting
recruited and he ended up beingone of the first guys to go to
Ohio State.
But.
Corp's the guy, like if you werein a fight, you want him in the
foxhole with you.
Like Yeah.
Right.
And he was the player that just,he, he gave it everything he
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had.
He was a awesome, awesomeplayer.
He played down low and he playedpole for us.
Yeah.
He was pretty versatile.
He tra, I mean he transformedhimself and you know, he, he
just is a guy like, you want KHall to be model after, you
know?
Right.
Like Brown's got themselves anabsolute winner.
Like, I love tours.
He's, he's the best and what yousee is what you get.
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He is, no.
And he will he'll do an amazingjob there.
Yeah.
We had Jamie Monroe on, andJamie Monroe was the head coach
of Denver and to was anassistant for him and he was
like, you know, everyone says.
People work hard and all this.
He's like, no, I'm telling youlike, you can't even believe how
much this guy gets done.
Like between eight to 10:00 AMon a Monday, it's like someone's
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whole week.
Like the guy is a nut, you know?
So there, there's just got anincredible motor right here.
There's no one I enjoy more liketalking to, like we, he's a guy
who I call and we connect andwe're, we're very close.
Oh, that's great.
And he is just he's, he's sosmart and every, if you look at
his kids that from high pointthat when they played, they
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always played hard and you watchBrown this year, they might not
have had the results, but theyplayed hard and he will have
Brown on top.
He'll, I, there's no question inmy mind it's gonna take some
time.
I mean, I, Jay, I would, I wouldhope that the, the coach of the
number one team in the country.
Down there at Calver Hall isgonna be sending, you know, a
coward hall long.
You would think he'd get someon, give us some guys some
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boots.
Film down in that neck of thewoods.
I mean, says he loves coach.
Make a priority trophy.
I think we're gonna rememberthat.
Jack us the love We're gonna bewatching.
I'll, I'll, I, I'll share astory.
We played stab this year and,there was a, our first game of
the year and there was a kid onStab team number.
It's going Brown number.
Yeah, yeah.
Number 10.
So I'm like, he played greatagainst us.
So after the game, I talked tothe stab coach, his friend, and
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I'm like, number ten's really,really good.
He's like, yeah, he was going toAir Force, but they, he can't go
to Air Force for whateverreason.
So he's totally, I, my firstphone call was Toury.
I was like, trp, oh, nice.
You got, you gotta recruit thiskid, number 10.
Like, he's a great student.
He is going to stab you.
He's like, yeah, I know who heis.
And then, and long story short,he started recruiting him.
He ends up going to Brown, so,yeah.
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Nice.
And that's the thing I sharewith kids.
Like, you never know, like Yeah.
As a coach, like I, if I, I seea kid that's really good.
Like I got a text from anothercoach, college coach on a kid at
Loyola High School.
What do you think?
I'm like, he's really good.
You should recruit him.
You know what I mean?
Like but if that kid was a kidthat I didn't, I.
You know, treated our team withdisrespect or something like
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that.
I'm, I'm, I might have adifferent answer, you know, so.
Right.
I always tell our guys, yougotta carry yourself.
You never know who's watching.
You never know, and it couldhelp you.
Right.
That's great.
And just wanted to get into alittle bit just on your
influences as going intocoaching.
Like, as you said, you werecoaching the JV at one point and
then became the head coach atCalvert Hall there in 96.
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Did you go right into coachingright after Carolina?
Or what, what was your path?
I went right in.
I, I didn't, I wish I had amentor.
You know, I, I kind of wentright in and I was the assistant
on varsity my first year outunder Mike Thomas, who was my
high school coach.
And then he asked me to do theJV for three years, or two or
three years or whatever.
And I did that.
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And then he re.
Retired.
He, he did, he just was ready tostep away.
And and I applied for the joband fortunately I got it.
You know, I was 26 years old atthe time and, you know, amazing.
I, I didn't Were you a littlenervous being like, ah, this is
a big time program?
Or were you just like, notrealizing it even?
I was very nervous.
Yeah.
No, I was nervous.
Yeah.
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I mean, you know, like I, again,like I never played offense, you
know, I was like, you know, youjust, you just didn't know, you
know?
And like, I came in and I, I, Ihad all these ideas of slide
packages and different type ofoffense we're gonna run.
And then, you know, I realizedlike, you, you gotta coach your,
I hate to say it, your dumbestplayer sometimes.
So you gotta keep it simple, youknow?
(18:59):
And high school, you can't runmultiple slide packages just
with some teams.
Some teams you can, you justhave to figure it out.
So, yeah.
You know, and I benefited fromthe previous coach my first year
'cause he was, I.
A excellent coach and teachingthe fundamentals.
And I just came in and, andbrought some new ideas of things
that I wanted to do defensivelyand offensively and it, and it,
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and I benefited from histeaching and, and, and then we
had a really great year thatfirst year.
First couple years there.
That's awesome.
So good stuff.
Yeah.
Well, you know, you, you clearlyhave done something right.
We figured it out this time.
Brian, Jesus.
I mean, he's coach of the, in96, his first year.
Yeah.
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And, and winning your sixth MIAchampionship.
I mean, this is an in, I mean, Idon't need to tell you that
conference is torture.
Yeah.
And the competitiveness and tohave the level of consistent
success that you've had and, youknow, number one ranking in USA
today.
So you know, this year too.
Yeah.
This, congrats on all yoursuccess.
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I mean, it's, it's huge and,and.
People.
I, I just don't think peoplerealize.
I'm sure you're you're, youknow, you're, you're, you're
basically gonna be able toretire soon from all that money
you're making at Calvert Hall,being the head of cross coach.
I know.
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't, I justdon't think people have any idea
if you want your team to play atthat level in the MIAA, the time
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that you're putting in Brian andyour staff.
Right.
Plus he gotta just love.
Plus he's working a full-timejob on the, you know, doing this
lacrosse thing on the side,basically.
I mean, it's amazing.
So, so anyway, just thanks forall you've done for the game and
the commitment you've made tothose kids over all that time.
It's impressive.
Well, thank you.
But, so, so tell us you know,you've had a lot of great teams.
What was, what was special aboutthis group?
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You know, we asked you the samething about your championship
team at Carolina.
Tell us what was special aboutthis this Calver Hall group.
You know, like we, we didn'thave any five stars or four star
guys.
We were all a bunch of threestars, you know?
It was just really, wow.
Yeah, we had maybe two, fourstars, a face off guy and a long
pole, you know, going toCarolina.
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But no five stars.
It was just, you know, look.
We work hard.
You know, we're the only schoolin the MIA that's won a
championship that doesn't have amiddle school.
You know, our kids don'treclassify.
Our kids are 17 and 18, maybehave one 19 here or there, but
like our kids are normal agekids.
Mm-hmm.
We don't have that.
So every bit of our success hascome through failure.
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It's been five failures that Icould go through of like how I,
we built this program and howI've, you know, focused on
things.
But, you know, our kids workhard and they were in the weight
room.
Five, four days a week.
And it was through a lot of hardwork and I think we had great
senior leadership and, you know,our kids just always found a way
to win, you know, and it justwas a really fun group to coach.
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You know, it wasn't an easy, youknow, always easy.
I mean, we had two losses, whichI'm okay with, but there were
two games we played absolutelyhorrendous in.
And I felt like we wereintimidated and afraid.
And, you know, after that secondloss of our season, the spading
I shared with my wife, like, I'meither gonna lose this team or
I'm gonna galvanize this teamthe next day.
'cause I was infuriated with oureffort and, you know I had son
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on the team and after that gameof driving back, that poor kid
had to hear, hear it all.
Like I, every kid on the team'scalling like, dad mad.
Your dad mad?
He's like, oh my.
But we got, the guys took thechallenge and then they just, we
just played as a team, you know,and one of the kids.
And then you beat them in thechampionship, I think, right?
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Yeah.
We beat the two teams we lost toMcDonna.
That's sweet.
And, and then we beat Spaldingin the championship.
Wow.
And and, you know, and our, ourguys were just, they just played
hard and they worked hard and,and they, they really they,
they, they, they were green.
Like, so we have this thingwhere we worked with this
company called Lead'em up in thegreen, gray, and red, and.
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If the gray sway, it's hard toexplain, but if you're green,
you're that great teammate andyou gotta get the guys in the
gray to be green.
And if you gotta get reds or theguys that pull the kids down,
and we didn't have any reds, wehad all green.
I, every kid was all, all infrom all the kids that played to
all the kids that didn't play.
And I think, you know, ourteam's very process oriented.
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We never talk about winning.
And our big thing we tell'em isto play with joy.
And, and that's the greatestemotion you can possibly have.
So we always challenge our kidsto pick something to be thankful
for and just go out and playwith joy and just focus on the
process and do your job.
And, you know, the way we wonthe game against Spalding in the
championship you know, our guysexecuted what we wanted to do to
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tie the game and, and in, inovertime.
I.
They just ran their own thing.
You know, everybody thinks itwas a play, but I tell'em, it's
just our offensive set and theyjust took advantage of what the
defense was giving them.
And it was really fun though.
It's, that's the best part aboutcoaching, is when you see kids
do it on their own, you know?
Right.
We run a read, react offense.
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I don't run plays, you know, youhave your quick hitters, but I,
I wanna teach'em how to read adefense and then once kids can
figure that out, it's hard tostop.
And Nice guys did.
They did that all on their own,so I was super proud of'em.
That's awesome.
That's such great fundamentalstoo, like getting their mindset
to the point where it's like,don't focus on winning.
Right.
Focus on running the offense,focus on the process and focus
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on having fun.
Right.
All that positive energy.
That's, that's awesome.
Yeah, like.
In 2012 was probably, we werenumber one ranked team in the
country and we played Conestogaand they were four in the
country and we were loaded.
I had Ryan Brown I had Garrett,apple, apple, Evan Connell.
Wow.
Steven Kelly.
Like I had five PLL guys on thatteam.
Like we were loaded and we endedup, we were winning 10 to five
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going into the fourth.
And they started pressuring usand, and, and, and, and, and
created havoc.
and, and, and, and, and, andAnd, and, and then what
happened?
What happened as the loadednumber one ranked team in the
nation with five future PLLplayers took a five goal lead
into the fourth quarter.
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To find out.
Tune in next week.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the show.
And for those who are new to theprogram, well we'd like to say
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welcome to you as well.
We're so glad you're joining usfor this second portion of our
interview series with six timeMIAA champion, and four time
coach of the Year from CalvertHall High School in Baltimore.
The great Brian Kelly.
If you have not heard part oneof the series, we highly
recommend you go back and checkit out.
As it was pure Podcast Gold.
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Now we will roll with therecording and you will find this
interview picking up right wherewe left off last time.
So what was, flash forward toyour senior year, what were,
what were the difference makersfor that undefeated 91 national
championship team at Carolinathat you were a part of?
What really defined that group?
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I, I would say was a hell of ateam.
Yeah.
It, it was a team like I wouldsay the, the 88 team that I was
on as a freshman.
That was the most talented teamI.
Played with it.
Carolina unfortunately ran intosch smaller Cornell, and he, he
just was unreal.
Kind of like your experienceagainst Marilyn run into a hot
goalie and, and that happens,you know, and Yeah.
(02:10):
Mm-hmm.
They, they, they, we went homeearly and, you know, that year I
felt like we had the talent towin it, but in 91.
Again, it was kind of likeMarilyn this year with like, not
a lot of stars going in.
No one really thought we weregreat.
But Dennis Goldstein, you knowTimmy's younger brother, who's a
senior with me that year he wasthe offensive player of the
year.
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He was just, Dennis was one ofthose guys that was really good
at everything.
He wasn't like great atanything.
He just did.
He could score, he could feed.
He just was tough.
And he did that and then super,super solid, you know,
maintained possession, like, youknow, everything like a master.
Like if you watched him play,you'd be like, not popping off
the screen, but you would lookat the statue.
He's like, God, he was three andtwo.
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He was four and three.
You know, he was that guy and hejust could end a game.
And then defensively we hadGraham Harden.
He was my roommate and he wasgreat.
God rest his soul.
He was unbelievable.
He covered the number one and hewas the defensive player of the
year, and he was outstanding.
And then, you know, midfield, itwas super, super intense too.
You know, he coached us, wasthat our freshman year at Brown?
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It was his older brother.
His older brother.
Yeah.
That was boy.
Oh, that's right.
That was Boyo.
Right, right, right, right,right.
Yes.
Graham was out here.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Graham had great hands.
He played hockey and you know,now you can't take the ball
away, but Graham could take theball away and I, I made a living
off of Graham'cause he would getthe ball on the ground and I was
good at it, right up ball up.
So, you know, I led the team inground balls and that was
(03:37):
completely because of ground.
Oh man.
He just would just get the ballon the ground and I would get
it.
Yeah.
And then but I think what set usapart was.
We rode really well.
We had a great riding team.
We would score three or fourgoals off of rides.
We played five attack men.
You know, we played threemidfield units.
Fortunately, I liked that weonly played three download
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defenders, but, you know,because I didn't like to rotate
out, but Right.
You know, we also rotate, andthat could be demoralizing when
you're scoring goals off a ride,you know, it's one thing, you
know, you don't clear it.
It's another thing that they getan immediate goal.
You know what I mean?
I remember that from that team.
They were, it's like a, just amillion people playing, you
know, like you said, you'replaying three midfield, you're
playing five attack men.
Yes.
And it was just like a swarm.
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I mean, it was like, forgetabout it.
Yeah.
And Coach k Carmen, he had onerule, like if you don't ride,
you don't play.
And so, like if guys weren'triding hard, they came off and
he put another guy on.
Yeah.
And you know and defensively we,you know, we weren't the biggest
group.
We just played great teamdefense.
And then we had a guy named AndyPiazza in the Goal who was Oh
yeah.
Outstanding.
(04:39):
And for me personally, I lovedplaying in front of Andy'cause
he was the best communicatinggoalie I've ever played for in
my life.
Mm-hmm.
Like, and I loved that'cause he,he was your eyes and ears and he
was just, he was great to playwith.
So it was, it was this, youknow, just, it was a team we won
because it was just completely ateam.
(05:00):
Yep.
That's great.
Then tell us best team ever tellthe, yeah, tell us about the
young assistant coach.
That's also a friend of the showwho I think I, I, the last time
we got to really hang out, Brianwas at this guy's 50th birthday
party.
Yeah.
Down at Chapel Hill.
Yeah.
So tell us about a youngassistant coach, Joe Brushy went
from teammate to your assistantcoach that year in 91, and now
(05:23):
of course.
The very successful head coachof the Tar Heels.
Right.
Of course.
You played alongside him forthree years too, right?
Yeah, he was great.
I mean, you know, I love playingwith Joe.
He was one of the all time bestdefenders ever to come outta
Carolina.
And then he, when he came inand, and he took over the
defense, you know, not obviouslyCoach Klarman became the head
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coach.
Our senior year he was thedefensive coordinator, so his
hand print was in on it.
But like, I'll tell you a littleside story.
So when Job first became.
The defensive coordinator, youknow, him and I talked and I
told him, I'm like,'cause I wasa senior, I was like, Joe, you
just gotta rip me one day inpractice and, and I'll just,
we'll take it like, just rip me.
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And so to set the tone.
And Joe's so nice.
Like, he, he never really didit.
He got on me as nice as Joedoes.
But you know, he, I knew he knewwhat he was doing and he coached
us and it, and, and he hadcomplete authority over our
defense.
And everybody, you know, Grahamand I both played with Joe.
We were one year removed, butthere was that respect of
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knowing, like, he's our coachand what he says goes, and there
was no question in that.
And it was also great too,because Joe could understand and
relate to us.
And so yeah, you know, he, hedid an awesome job with, with
our defense and you know, andhe, there's, it didn't matter.
He was only one year removed.
(06:50):
We all knew he was our coach andhe was in charge.
Mm, that's great.
And that was the first year.
That's a tough thing to do for,yeah.
Yeah, honor, that was the firstyear of school.
First year that Klarman was thehead coach Was when you were a
senior.
Okay.
Gotcha.
And again, he did a, and wasScroggs the head coach right
before that?
Scroggs was my head coach forthree years.
So Willie brought all, it wasall Willie's guys.
(07:12):
He brought in and Willie wasgreat.
I mean, he, he, because Iremember meeting Carmen in a
recruiting.
Meeting, he came to Garden Cityand he was not the friendliest
guy in the world.
No.
He did not make any friends thatday.
I'll tell you that.
I think that's, you know, I, I,we called him coach happy, you
know, sometimes because, youknow, but Coach K was great, you
(07:33):
know, he was, it took me a whileto you know, it was hard my
first two years playing forcoach, you know?
Yeah.
But then I, I learned a lot fromhim and it, it, you know, helped
me.
And he ended up being a reallygreat coach, and he knew what he
was talking about, and he reallyloved the guys, and he loved his
players.
And, and he was all about his,his guys, you know, type of guy,
(07:54):
Uhhuh, but, you know, he wasbrutally honest.
Right.
Brutal.
That's what I, brutally honest.
Right.
And that carried over to hisrecruiting.
He was brutally honest.
And you Right.
You know, you knew what you weregetting, I guess, with him.
Yeah.
You, you, you knew what you sawas what you got, you know,
right.
Now, what was Scroggs like?
He's kind of a legendary guy.
(08:15):
He was a legendary coach.
I mean, he's one of the bestcoaches ever.
Willie was very calm.
But Willie, when he got mad, he,he knew he would let you play,
but he ran a, a tight shipwithout many rules, you know,
his rules were like, you knowjust don't be stupid, you know,
type of thing.
Yeah.
But, you know, he, he was greatin the riding and clearing game.
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He, he was very smartoffensively defensively.
He let Coach Carmen run the, thedefense.
I, I learned a lot from Willie.
And he managed the game and, andhe was one of the all time best
college coaches to, to be, youknow, I think he won three
national championships as aright college coach.
So he, yeah.
It's funny, Jay listening,listening to that and
(08:59):
remembering Dom's two rules.
You know, and, and I think thereis something to learn from these
guys who kept it simple.
You know, Dom's two rules, don'tbe late and don't be an asshole.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, and, and you know, like,it sounds silly, but when you
think about it, right?
He's saying, be on time, takeresponsibility and be a good
person.
(09:19):
You know?
Right.
Don't be a jerk.
And then, and then when he wouldleave, you know, practice, he'd
say like, you know, take care ofyourself.
Take care of each other.
You know, that was Yeah.
Every day.
That's what he'd say every time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's how, you know, Williewas, he, you know, you never
wanted to be called into hisoffice.
You know, he, he was like, lookit, I'm, I'm in charge.
You know, like I make the rules.
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So like, if you cross it,you're, you're, you know, and
you knew the boundary, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
He, he, he was, you know, he wasa legend.
He.
He is a legend.
He was just a he, he made, hebuilt Carolina Lacrosse.
Right.
It was Willie Scroggs who, whocreated it.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Pretty cool.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
(10:00):
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Two legendary coaches, WillieScroggs of UNC and Dom Storia of
Brown and UVA.
Coach Scroggs was recruited tobe the next coach at North
Carolina when he was anassistant at Johns Hopkins.
(10:21):
He would inherit a six and sixteam that had gone one and three
in the A, CC.
next 12 years, he would take theTor heels to 11 consecutive NCAA
tournaments, nine final fours,and would win three national
championships in 19 81, 82, andin 1986.
And over the course of those twoconsecutive seasons, 81 and 82,
(10:44):
he led the to heels to a 26 andoh record before Dom Starer
arrived in Charlottesville, UVAhad won one national
championship in 75 years.
In 24 years under Star'sleadership, the Cavaliers won
four titles.
Now, how did these coachesachieve these lofty heights?
Was it through a lot ofrhetoric, a lot of chitchat?
(11:06):
No.
Both were meant a few words.
Talking to players from bothprograms over the years and
having played for Staria atBrown, I know they had a deep
burning desire for success.
When recruiting, they kept itsimple and looked for the most
passionate athletic players theycould find.
But with one caveat, the playershad to be a very high character.
(11:27):
The men who came to play forthem knew from the get go that
there were high expectations,which extended out to even
higher standards for those thatwould be chosen to become the
leaders of their teams.
The phrase, a passion forexcellence sums up what these
two men and the players theycoached embodied.
Each allowed their players totake initiative and play with
(11:48):
energy and lots of enthusiasm,but they did have guardrails.
No matter how creative andexplosive you want your players
to play, they have to haveguardrails.
There's gotta be someboundaries, as Coach Kelly just
said, and understanding thatthere is a line, a line
regarding your effort, yourcommitment to the team and your
behavior that you simply do notcross.
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So as Coach Starge would say,take care of yourself and when
needed, you take care of oneanother and steer them away from
going off the rails.
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Now, another guest we had in theprogram was Brown's new head
coach, John Tope.
Yeah.
And after a little research, wefound out that his senior year
was your first year coaching,right.
As a head coach at Hall.
Yep.
So tell us, you know, what thatwas like and what, what a
(13:57):
younger coach tope was like backthen.
That must've been fun.
My first year, year, I remember,can't remember exactly what he
said, but he was like, oh, youknow, if it wasn't for Brian
Kelly, I wasn't gonna go.
It was something, I forgetexactly what it was, but it was
something big.
Well, when Toury, my first yearas the JV head coach was his
freshman year, so I coached himhis freshman year.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
(14:17):
Yeah.
I mean, I, he came in, he wasthis chubby fat kid, you know,
coming in on the jv and hecouldn't really run, you know,
he was a little overweight, buthe was, he had the greatest
stick, he could get everythingoff the ground.
And, you know, he made jv andthen TOI just transformed
himself in high school, youknow, like Really?
Yeah.
And, and became a, a dominantplayer.
(14:40):
And then, so my senior year hissenior year I became the head
varsity coach.
And Uhhuh, you know, toury was aawesome, and, and at that time
he was trying to figure outwhere to go and getting
recruited and he ended up beingone of the first guys to go to
Ohio State.
But.
Corp's the guy, like if you werein a fight, you want him in the
foxhole with you.
Like Yeah.
Right.
And he was the player that just,he, he gave it everything he
(15:04):
had.
He was a awesome, awesomeplayer.
He played down low and he playedpole for us.
Yeah.
He was pretty versatile.
He tra, I mean he transformedhimself and you know, he, he
just is a guy like, you want KHall to be model after, you
know?
Right.
Like Brown's got themselves anabsolute winner.
Like, I love tours.
He's, he's the best and what yousee is what you get.
(15:25):
He is, no.
And he will he'll do an amazingjob there.
Yeah.
We had Jamie Monroe on, andJamie Monroe was the head coach
of Denver and to was anassistant for him and he was
like, you know, everyone says.
People work hard and all this.
He's like, no, I'm telling youlike, you can't even believe how
much this guy gets done.
Like between eight to 10:00 AMon a Monday, it's like someone's
(15:46):
whole week.
Like the guy is a nut, you know?
So there, there's just got anincredible motor right here.
There's no one I enjoy more liketalking to, like we, he's a guy
who I call and we connect andwe're, we're very close.
Oh, that's great.
And he is just he's, he's sosmart and every, if you look at
his kids that from high pointthat when they played, they
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always played hard and you watchBrown this year, they might not
have had the results, but theyplayed hard and he will have
Brown on top.
He'll, I, there's no question inmy mind it's gonna take some
time.
I mean, I, Jay, I would, I wouldhope that the, the coach of the
number one team in the country.
Down there at Calver Hall isgonna be sending, you know, a
coward hall long.
You would think he'd get someon, give us some guys some
(16:29):
boots.
Film down in that neck of thewoods.
I mean, says he loves coach.
Make a priority trophy.
I think we're gonna rememberthat.
Jack us the love We're gonna bewatching.
I'll, I'll, I, I'll share astory.
We played stab this year and,there was a, our first game of
the year and there was a kid onStab team number.
It's going Brown number.
Yeah, yeah.
Number 10.
So I'm like, he played greatagainst us.
So after the game, I talked tothe stab coach, his friend, and
(16:52):
I'm like, number ten's really,really good.
He's like, yeah, he was going toAir Force, but they, he can't go
to Air Force for whateverreason.
So he's totally, I, my firstphone call was Toury.
I was like, trp, oh, nice.
You got, you gotta recruit thiskid, number 10.
Like, he's a great student.
He is going to stab you.
He's like, yeah, I know who heis.
And then, and long story short,he started recruiting him.
He ends up going to Brown, so,yeah.
(17:13):
Nice.
And that's the thing I sharewith kids.
Like, you never know, like Yeah.
As a coach, like I, if I, I seea kid that's really good.
Like I got a text from anothercoach, college coach on a kid at
Loyola High School.
What do you think?
I'm like, he's really good.
You should recruit him.
You know what I mean?
Like but if that kid was a kidthat I didn't, I.
You know, treated our team withdisrespect or something like
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that.
I'm, I'm, I might have adifferent answer, you know, so.
Right.
I always tell our guys, yougotta carry yourself.
You never know who's watching.
You never know, and it couldhelp you.
Right.
That's great.
And just wanted to get into alittle bit just on your
influences as going intocoaching.
Like, as you said, you werecoaching the JV at one point and
then became the head coach atCalvert Hall there in 96.
(17:58):
Did you go right into coachingright after Carolina?
Or what, what was your path?
I went right in.
I, I didn't, I wish I had amentor.
You know, I, I kind of wentright in and I was the assistant
on varsity my first year outunder Mike Thomas, who was my
high school coach.
And then he asked me to do theJV for three years, or two or
three years or whatever.
And I did that.
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And then he re.
Retired.
He, he did, he just was ready tostep away.
And and I applied for the joband fortunately I got it.
You know, I was 26 years old atthe time and, you know, amazing.
I, I didn't Were you a littlenervous being like, ah, this is
a big time program?
Or were you just like, notrealizing it even?
I was very nervous.
Yeah.
No, I was nervous.
Yeah.
(18:39):
I mean, you know, like I, again,like I never played offense, you
know, I was like, you know, youjust, you just didn't know, you
know?
And like, I came in and I, I, Ihad all these ideas of slide
packages and different type ofoffense we're gonna run.
And then, you know, I realizedlike, you, you gotta coach your,
I hate to say it, your dumbestplayer sometimes.
So you gotta keep it simple, youknow?
(18:59):
And high school, you can't runmultiple slide packages just
with some teams.
Some teams you can, you justhave to figure it out.
So, yeah.
You know, and I benefited fromthe previous coach my first year
'cause he was, I.
A excellent coach and teachingthe fundamentals.
And I just came in and, andbrought some new ideas of things
that I wanted to do defensivelyand offensively and it, and it,
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and I benefited from histeaching and, and, and then we
had a really great year thatfirst year.
First couple years there.
That's awesome.
So good stuff.
Yeah.
Well, you know, you, you clearlyhave done something right.
We figured it out this time.
Brian, Jesus.
I mean, he's coach of the, in96, his first year.
Yeah.
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And, and winning your sixth MIAchampionship.
I mean, this is an in, I mean, Idon't need to tell you that
conference is torture.
Yeah.
And the competitiveness and tohave the level of consistent
success that you've had and, youknow, number one ranking in USA
today.
So you know, this year too.
Yeah.
This, congrats on all yoursuccess.
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I mean, it's, it's huge and,and.
People.
I, I just don't think peoplerealize.
I'm sure you're you're, youknow, you're, you're, you're
basically gonna be able toretire soon from all that money
you're making at Calvert Hall,being the head of cross coach.
I know.
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't, I justdon't think people have any idea
if you want your team to play atthat level in the MIAA, the time
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that you're putting in Brian andyour staff.
Right.
Plus he gotta just love.
Plus he's working a full-timejob on the, you know, doing this
lacrosse thing on the side,basically.
I mean, it's amazing.
So, so anyway, just thanks forall you've done for the game and
the commitment you've made tothose kids over all that time.
It's impressive.
Well, thank you.
But, so, so tell us you know,you've had a lot of great teams.
What was, what was special aboutthis group?
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You know, we asked you the samething about your championship
team at Carolina.
Tell us what was special aboutthis this Calver Hall group.
You know, like we, we didn'thave any five stars or four star
guys.
We were all a bunch of threestars, you know?
It was just really, wow.
Yeah, we had maybe two, fourstars, a face off guy and a long
pole, you know, going toCarolina.
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But no five stars.
It was just, you know, look.
We work hard.
You know, we're the only schoolin the MIA that's won a
championship that doesn't have amiddle school.
You know, our kids don'treclassify.
Our kids are 17 and 18, maybehave one 19 here or there, but
like our kids are normal agekids.
Mm-hmm.
We don't have that.
So every bit of our success hascome through failure.
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It's been five failures that Icould go through of like how I,
we built this program and howI've, you know, focused on
things.
But, you know, our kids workhard and they were in the weight
room.
Five, four days a week.
And it was through a lot of hardwork and I think we had great
senior leadership and, you know,our kids just always found a way
to win, you know, and it justwas a really fun group to coach.
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You know, it wasn't an easy, youknow, always easy.
I mean, we had two losses, whichI'm okay with, but there were
two games we played absolutelyhorrendous in.
And I felt like we wereintimidated and afraid.
And, you know, after that secondloss of our season, the spading
I shared with my wife, like, I'meither gonna lose this team or
I'm gonna galvanize this teamthe next day.
'cause I was infuriated with oureffort and, you know I had son
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on the team and after that gameof driving back, that poor kid
had to hear, hear it all.
Like I, every kid on the team'scalling like, dad mad.
Your dad mad?
He's like, oh my.
But we got, the guys took thechallenge and then they just, we
just played as a team, you know,and one of the kids.
And then you beat them in thechampionship, I think, right?
(22:36):
Yeah.
We beat the two teams we lost toMcDonna.
That's sweet.
And, and then we beat Spaldingin the championship.
Wow.
And and, you know, and our, ourguys were just, they just played
hard and they worked hard and,and they, they really they,
they, they, they were green.
Like, so we have this thingwhere we worked with this
company called Lead'em up in thegreen, gray, and red, and.
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If the gray sway, it's hard toexplain, but if you're green,
you're that great teammate andyou gotta get the guys in the
gray to be green.
And if you gotta get reds or theguys that pull the kids down,
and we didn't have any reds, wehad all green.
I, every kid was all, all infrom all the kids that played to
all the kids that didn't play.
And I think, you know, ourteam's very process oriented.
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We never talk about winning.
And our big thing we tell'em isto play with joy.
And, and that's the greatestemotion you can possibly have.
So we always challenge our kidsto pick something to be thankful
for and just go out and playwith joy and just focus on the
process and do your job.
And, you know, the way we wonthe game against Spalding in the
championship you know, our guysexecuted what we wanted to do to
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tie the game and, and in, inovertime.
I.
They just ran their own thing.
You know, everybody thinks itwas a play, but I tell'em, it's
just our offensive set and theyjust took advantage of what the
defense was giving them.
And it was really fun though.
It's, that's the best part aboutcoaching, is when you see kids
do it on their own, you know?
Right.
We run a read, react offense.
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I don't run plays, you know, youhave your quick hitters, but I,
I wanna teach'em how to read adefense and then once kids can
figure that out, it's hard tostop.
And Nice guys did.
They did that all on their own,so I was super proud of'em.
That's awesome.
That's such great fundamentalstoo, like getting their mindset
to the point where it's like,don't focus on winning.
Right.
Focus on running the offense,focus on the process and focus
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on having fun.
Right.
All that positive energy.
That's, that's awesome.
Yeah, like.
In 2012 was probably, we werenumber one ranked team in the
country and we played Conestogaand they were four in the
country and we were loaded.
I had Ryan Brown I had Garrett,apple, apple, Evan Connell.
Wow.
Steven Kelly.
Like I had five PLL guys on thatteam.
Like we were loaded and we endedup, we were winning 10 to five
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going into the fourth.
And they started pressuring usand, and, and, and, and, and
created havoc.
and, and, and, and, and, andAnd, and, and then what
happened?
What happened as the loadednumber one ranked team in the
nation with five future PLLplayers took a five goal lead
into the fourth quarter.
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To find out.
Tune in next week.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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