In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop,' hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird dive deep into the world of lacrosse with Bryan Kelly, a six-time MIAA champion and four-time Coach of the Year from Calvert Hall High School. Coach Kelly discusses the importance of focusing on the process rather than the outcome and shares insights from his pivotal, life changing, 2012 season, when his team was ranked number one in the country. The podcast also stresses the significance of mental resilience, sportsmanship, and the principles outlined in Stephen Covey's 'The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.' Kelly advises parents on how to support their children better and critiques the current youth and club lacrosse culture, which is heavily influenced by social media and a preoccupation with rankings. The episode wraps up with entertaining coach impersonations and a discussion on nurturing young players' growth and development. A must-listen for players, parents, and coaches invested in the sport of lacrosse.
00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop
00:23 Meet the Hosts and Guest
01:02 Interview with Brian Kelly: Part 2
01:28 The 2012 Championship Game
02:08 Mindset and Process Focus
05:02 Challenges in Modern Lacrosse
15:43 Advice for Players and Parents
21:01 Listener Questions and Fun Stories
26:42 Conclusion and Sign-Off
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the show.
We're so glad you're joining usfor this interview series with
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six time MIAA champion, and fourtime coach of the Year from
Calvert Hall High School inBaltimore.
The great Brian Kelly.
If you have not heard part oneof the series, we highly
recommend you go back and checkit out.
As it was pure Podcast Gold.
Now we will roll with therecording and you will find this
interview picking up right wherewe left off last time.
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In 2012 was probably, we werenumber one ranked team in the
country and we played Conestogaand they were four in the
country and we were loaded.
I had Ryan Brown I had Garrett,apple, apple, Evan Connell.
Wow.
Steven Kelly.
Like I had five PLL guys on thatteam.
Like we were loaded and we endedup, we were winning 10 to five
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going into the fourth.
And they started pressuring usand, and, and, and, and, and
created havoc.
And they got it to ten seven.
And prior to that I startedworking with a sports
psychologist because of the yearbefore we lost in the
championship and we kind offaltered a little bit and didn't
like how he did it.
So I started working with asports psychologist and and it,
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he really helped me tounderstand the pro, like a lot
of things.
And so, yeah.
I, mindset minute, Ron, we dothis little mindset thing.
We talk about the mindset.
Ended up, that's huge.
Losing the game.
Kind of soga ended up winning inovertime and Oh, man, it was
that.
Like I wasn't, I was, so afterthe, the next day of that game,
I, we had practice and I didn'tpractice.
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I, I, I had him write down on apiece of paper three things they
were thinking about when thecomeback came because mm-hmm.
My guy who mentored me the mostwas Dave Huntley, who was my
assistant, and he was brutallyhonest.
Okay.
So like, I would go into thecoach's room and he would tell
me if I stunk as a coach or if Idid a good job.
He is like, we did a good job.
It was, this one's on the kids.
Mm-hmm.
So, make a long story short,they all get their tallies.
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They bring it to me.
We tally up the things, thenumber three thing that they
were thinking about when the runwas coming was mm-hmm.
What will lacks power and allthose things would say, what
would they say?
Oh my god, that's great.
The, the number two thing wasthe rankings and what will all
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my friends say?
Yeah.
What do you think?
This is great for that to comeout, right?
Yeah.
What's number one?
What do you think the numberone, number one thing they were
thinking about?
Don't wanna lose that maybe youmight be mad or ju you know,
something external.
What will my parents, my parentssay, what will my parents think?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Right.
What will my pa That was thenumber one thing.
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So there's a study and if youask the study, if you could ask
a kid to pick one person towatch them play, who do you
think they would pick?
You'd think would be theirparents.
It's their grandparents.
It's because grandparents haveno expectations of them.
They don't have that.
Yeah.
They just enjoy the lot watchingem play.
Right.
Well, I shared that informationwith Dr.
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Spencer and he to said, Brian,you're totally outcome focused.
Yeah, your kids are all thinkingabout outcomes.
And so that's when we startedreally tackling process and I
was outcome focused because whenI started thinking like, I gotta
win this game in order to makethe playoffs, I get anxious and
I get all this stuff.
But when I started realizing Ijust gotta coach each quarter,
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each second, each moment, right?
And that loss transcended ourprogram to be since 2012.
It's been all about the processand it's all everyday thing.
You have to continue to retrainthese kids' mind to be process,
process, process.
So very cool.
I think that's something that'sreally important.
The next 200 feet there, there'ssome saying in that, like, think
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of yourself as like a cardriving down the road in the
pitch black.
You know, you don't need to see,if you're driving cross country,
you don't need to see 3000 milesacross.
You just need to see the next 20or 200 feet in front of you kind
of thing.
So yeah, a hundred percent.
That was very cool.
A hundred percent.
Excellent.
Love it.
Love it.
Yeah.
So, so Brian.
I, there's so many things fromwhat you just said that I want
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to ask, but I I, I feel like Iwant to ask you what's, because
I know you're gonna, well, I, I,I'll, I'll tell you what I, I'm
hoping you'll do is turn thisinto a positive, but so many of
the things that just said makeme think about the things that
are wrong in the game today.
(05:29):
Oh, yeah.
You know what, what's your senseof what we need to do better as
people who care about the gameand care about kids?
And, you know, when we seewhat's happening, you think
about your youth experience andyou see what's happening in
youth, and you see what'shappening in club and the way
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that impacts your ability to tryto build the kind of culture you
want to build on your team.
Like, what, what do we just needto do better as steward of the
game?
I think there's a couple thingsin my opinion I think we live in
a world of style over substanceand it's the Instagram feed and
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it starts with our announcersand it starts with the people in
some levels.
Like they praise kids throughshoot two for 20.
And all you see is that onehighlight.
And you get kids that thinkthat's what the game is, is the,
you gotta break so much junkoutta kids when they come to
high school because they playclub and they've lose that
competitiveness because there'salways another game.
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There's always another game.
And it's not that thing.
And they don't value the balland they don't, and you have to
break that and, you know, and Ithink we live in a, a world of
like it's style over substance.
And to me, I want it to besubstance over style and like
is, is the thing.
And then I think we are sooutcome focused as parents and
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as, as as club coaches.
Like I'm coaching my son's 20.
30 team.
He's a seventh grader, and teamsare running a zone defense in
seventh grade to win a game, orthey're shutting a kid off in
seventh grade to win a game, andthey're running all these plays.
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And I sit there to theseparents, I'm like, listen, I,
we'll never, ever run a zone.
I'll never shut a kid off to wina game.
'cause we're gonna have to learnhow to slide and recover.
We're gonna have to learn how todo these things.
Yep.
And it's all about the process.
You just gotta trust the processand the problem that you have in
the game today.
It's, it, it's so fear driventhat these parents feel like, if
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I don't win, if I'm not at thisevent, if I'm not at that da, I
gotta do this.
We gotta do more.
And they're like my kid and I'mlike, no, you gotta do less.
Less is more.
Yeah.
You know and they say, well, mykid loves it.
I always say, well, my kid lovescandy.
I just don't let'em eat it everyday.
You know what I mean?
It's like we have to protectourselves from our kids, you
know?
And they get back injuries, theyget overuse injuries, they have
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all these things.
And, and then the other thingtoo is like sportsmanship is
gone in the sport.
Hmm.
Like, it, it, it's, it's reallybad and I blame the coaches and
I blame the parents, like theytolerate it and it, it, it to
me, you know, I have to remindmyself it's not my job to police
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the other kids on the otherteam, you know, when they're
disrespectful or things likethat.
And I think it's a real problem.
And I think you see things likethat and they're, they're the
things that, that, that I think,you know, I'm going quick.
That, that, that bother me aboutthe game.
And I just think, you know, I,it's funny, I had an exit
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interview with a ninth graderand I said, listen, you know,
the recruiting starts thefollowing year.
And I go, what I want you to dothis spring, this summer is go
out and fail.
I want you to fail as much asyou possibly can because I want
you to work on all the thingsthat you're not good at that you
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have to improve on.
I want you to go playleft-handed.
He's a right-hand attack man.
Play left hand.
It's okay.
And he's on my club team.
And my thing that I'm gonna sayto this 2018, which is my son's
team, is go out and fail today.
Like Right.
It's okay.
Take a, take a chance.
Right.
Take a chance.
Like work on your game.
They can't work on their game.
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'cause they're always evaluated.
They're always, and then theywant to be ranked.
Always gonna be perfect.
Yeah.
And there's like inside thecrosses watching my, like these
eighth graders and they're gonnaget ranked so they all think
about, that's crazy.
About the outcomes and it'scrazy.
So my whole thought with them islike, go out and fail.
That's what I want you to do.
Right, right.
I like it.
Try something, take somechances.
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Challenge yourself.
Right.
Do something.
Well, don't worry.
I mean, you know.
As a saint, it pains me to saythat if I had a son and I was
living down that area, I sure ashell want blame for Brian Kelly.
Coach, thanks.
It's it's clear why you're sosuccessful, not just in the
wins, but in developing youngpeople who have the right
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approach and the right values.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Coach Kelly and my co-host, thebig dog, make some great points
there.
But is there really a right wayand a wrong way to go about
things?
I mean, I just wanna say, youknow, whatever man, I mean,
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well, um, wrong.
No hesitation.
Absolutely positively, 100%guaranteed.
Yes, there is a right way and awrong way to go about things.
And when people think the waythey do things doesn't matter,
then they are part of theproblem.
Why?
Because we live in a world ofcause and effect.
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So everything matters.
It really does.
Young players out there andparents and coaches with
players.
Coach Kelly is telling us thereis a quote, end quote, right way
to do things and a not right wayto do things for a reason.
Coach Kelly is a six time MIAAchampion and a four time coach
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of the year, and what he'sgetting at here is the right
way, would be the principle way,which turns out to be the most
productive way on so manylevels.
The not right way iscounterproductive and is not
based on principles, but isbased on whatever feels good in
the moment.
Whatever is most convenient, orwhatever will satisfy one's
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ego's most pressing needimmediately without any regard
for the others on the team.
And we need to ask ourselves,what happens with these two
approaches?
Which one is more likely to tucktail?
The moment there is anydifficulty, which one is going
to be more stable?
Which one will be able to rideout a storm?
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Which one will be most likely tobreak down versus the one that
is most likely to endure?
I think we all know the answerto that question.
We want to base our actions onprinciples that may not always
be convenient, but that arealways self-evident in and of
themselves, principles that wehave talked about repeatedly on
this podcast.
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And another good source of theseprinciples would be to check out
a great book, an oldie, but agoodie.
The Seven Habits of HighlyEffective People by Stephen
Covey.
Some of those principles are tobegin with the end in mind.
So that would be to think abouthow you wanna evolve your game
this summer.
What skills do you wanna acquireto improve your overall
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effectiveness on the field?
Another principle of the book isto be proactive.
That means don't sit back andwait for practice to come
around.
Instead, work on the skillsyou're looking to master and try
out this summer betweenpractices and tournaments.
And another principle fromCovey's book is something we've
heard from just about everycoach we've had on this show,
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and that is sharpen the saw,also known as take care of
yourself.
That is your physical body.
Instead of staying up all nightplaying video games online and
eating bag after bag of talkiesor Doritos, make sure you were
taking time to get enough sleepevery night, eat right every
day, and give your body time torecover after workouts and after
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tournaments.
In the end, it's all aboutfocus.
Where focus goes, energy flows.
So what Coach Kelly isrecommending to his club players
is for them to put their focuson growth, on expansion, on
making themselves a better, moreeffective player come next year.
Because it is next year, thatreally matters, not what inside
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The players that focus on beingperfect in eighth or ninth grade
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They are not going to use theiroffhand or attempt to do
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So it's really fun talking toyou.
Yeah.
And we do, most of our listenersare either players who are gonna
be on the club circuit coming upor their parents.
Yeah.
Those are great tips you justgave us for the players.
(15:52):
Yeah.
Now, what would you say to theirparents as they're coming up to
this, you know, they might be,obviously the big year is the
year after your son's year.
Yeah.
But, but any year.
What, what are some goodguidelines?
You're, you're obviously a greathigh school coach, played top D
one lacrosse, and you've beencoaching in this travel,
circuit.
What would you say, like, allright, parents, here, here,
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here's something that, that youcan take home from this podcast
and, and think about and maybedo things a little differently.
Well, one as a parent, don't,your kid knows when he plays
bad.
So when you get in the car, hedoesn't need to have a
conversation about hisperformance.
(16:33):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
So, you know, if my onerecommendation to all parents is
like, just say like, I lovewatching you play.
You know, and if you want tocritique him, critique him on
his effort, not on anythingelse, but let him go home.
Let him eat.
Let him take a shower.
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And then if he comes down and hewants to talk about it, he
probably will talk about it.
And then that's when you cantalk about it.
But my biggest thing is don't,don't, don't, don't talk to him
right after the game.
They, they know.
Mm-hmm.
And they don't need that.
The second thing I would say toparents is the whole La Cub
world is, is rooted in fear.
They are all gonna try to getyou to say, I gotta do this
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event, you gotta do that event,and then you're gonna talk to
someone else and they're gonnasay, well, did you hear about
this event?
My son's doing that event.
Your son's not doing that event.
Why aren't your son doing thatevent?
My son's going to do thecircuit.
My son's playing for the RedHots.
My son's playing for this clubteam and he is doing this
national team.
And, you know, like, look, mykids, they, we play three
events.
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That's it.
And then they might.
Do a prospect day or like, they,they might, they're gonna do the
na, my one son made the Niketeam, and then next year when
he's a sophomore, he's gonna domore things because he's gonna
have to, could get recruited,but it's, he's only gonna do
five.
He's not gonna do 10.
The more you do, the worse youlook and the more you do the,
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the more picky the coaches getwith your sons.
So like, if you just do fiveevents when you're in the
recruiting, that that's plenty,like plenty.
And that's great advice.
Yeah.
You know, so to me, sometimesless is more.
And just manage your kids'minutes.
And, and this just trust theprocess.
'cause it, it, it, it all worksout and they'll, they'll,
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they'll find you, you know?
So just don't get caught up in,in the fear as ing of it and the
fear aspect of it.
And that's my biggest advice.
That's great.
Jay.
It reminds me of Lars who weasked, you asked a similar
question and mm-hmm.
Brian to what you said, LARsaid.
Look, you have to remember ifthe one time I'm seeing you is
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the last game of the fourthweekend in a row that you've
played and you're gassed, I'mnot gonna know that.
I'm just gonna see whatever thatperformance was on that day.
And even if you tell me it'sgonna be very hard for me to get
that outta my head becausethat's what I saw with my own
eyes, right?
And so it just, it's, it's justlike you have to think about the
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reality of what this is, andthat you're not gonna know when
that coach is gonna pick thatfield on that day.
So you better be fresh if you'regonna be in those tournaments
and you're gonna get evaluated.
You better make sure that you'reready to play and you're ready
to be at your best look.
Our championship game, we playedon a Tuesday McDonough, and then
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we played Friday.
My number one job was to get mykids to recover.
Right.
Like I, I didn't have thempractice hard.
You know, we walked through gameplan, we wanna recover these
kids play three games a day at90 degree heat on a Saturday,
and then they have to play threemore on another Saturday.
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You know, the thing, if I wasever running tournament, I would
never have any consolation gamesanymore unless it's a recruiting
event.
Right.
Like, let the kids go home, youknow?
Right.
If we lose your out, like whowants to play for eighth place?
You know, like Right.
It's just like, let's, let's go.
And personally, if I ran anevent, I wouldn't even have it
be a, a for a championship.
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Everyone gets four games andwe'll try to seed it up and then
it gives coaches freedom to playkids that, you know, you got
kids playing club that don'tplay.
Right.
It's crazy.
Like you're paying the money.
Like, because these coaches areall about wanting to win.
You know, I coach thechampionship game on a Friday
and then I'm helping my son'steam play on a.
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Saturday and we lost 15 to four.
And you know, I, I'm watchinglike, like, it, it just, you
know, it, it, IJ and like theteam we played was phenomenal
and so well coached, but at theend of the day it's like, you
know, it's enough is enough.
You know, like it just getsright.
Gets a lot and, you know, socan, they could overdo it.
Doubt.
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Yeah.
It can be over known.
Well, we usually have a rovingreporter who could not make it
tonight, but he's great forlistener questions.
And we do have a few to wrapthings up.
Good.
If you have a minute.
Yeah, I got'em.
One, one was from an email froma coach Andy Towers, and the
question was, who's the bestcamp lacrosse team you ever
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assembled and played with?
And would it be that team fromCornell in 1985?
Yes.
Yeah.
So you guys were on the sameteam?
Yeah, we were.
It was great.
And it's so funny'cause that thefinal four, this y weekend I ran
into our coach Coach de Mayo atOh really?
At the final four.
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So we were talking about it.
Yeah.
We had a, we were pretty legit.
Yeah, it was great.
That's hilarious.
With legendary Peter code there.
And, you know, remember Peter?
Yeah.
He, I think he had Hil Gartneron your team and Flug.
He gave me a few of the guys.
Yeah, we had some players.
Yeah, it was good.
We had a good team.
It was fun.
That was a great camp.
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Yeah.
That's awesome.
And then I had a questionsomeone wrote in I think it was
George G, he said, you're adefenseman now.
Please explain to me why all ofyour sons play attack.
That's a really good question.
You know, they just, they just,they naturally went that way,
you know, and honestly, I thinkI, I love coaching offense.
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I coach the offense at CalvertHall, so it's Oh, you do?
Nice.
Yeah, I've always been, I didn'tknow that the offensive end
since probably 17, you know?
Gotcha.
So may, but they were playingattack prior to that.
I just let'em play whatever theywanted to play, you know, and
that's where they all kind ofnavigated towards.
Good stuff.
And this last one, we'll, we mayinclude it, but we don't have
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to.
But there's a rumor that you'rereally excellent at striking a
pose.
For example, you have one of thebest poses of an Olympic
sprinter that's ever been seen.
Can you describe to us and toour audience what that pose is
all about?
It's probably something that wewon't put this on.
(23:00):
Tell dog what that was though.
I, if I can explain it.
Jay, it seems like you reallygot Coach Kelly there.
I dunno what the hell that's allabout.
And I think we'll probably haveto stop recording to find out.
But it took you, it took us anhour and a half, but Oh yeah,
you got Coach Kelly.
A little nervous.
Now he's unflappable.
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Except when you bring up thesprinter.
Yeah, he's, he's unflappable.
But you finally broke him down.
Jay, just say I was really fast.
No.
Oh my God.
It was hilarious.
You'd have to, you, you'd haveto take the recording off to be
honest with you.
Right.
Let's take that off.
We can take it off.
Alright.
Yeah.
Now, now.
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Coach Kelly, we're gonna endthis way.
We're gonna do a coachimpersonation off because my
favorite coach impersonation todo is Coach Coddle.
And I'd like to hear your coachCoddle.
And then I'm gonna do my coachcoddle and we'll let Jay judge
this.
Okay?
Yeah,'cause I just, I thinkCoach Coddles sort of a
caricature of himself and I, andI'd love to hear your coach
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Coddle.
I, I can do shrives, Bobby doreally well.
God coddle, that would be toughfor me.
Really.
Well mix it up.
You could do Shriver then, ifthat's, if that's just you want
me to do, I can do Shrives.
Alright.
Do you know Shrives?
Oh yeah.
All right.
Alright, so I'll dohr.
So, background story, Kevin Huntwas my player, and I was going
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in the to the officials beforethe game.
Like everybody would just try topound this kid.
And I'm, I'm meeting with theofficials and I'll do my Shriver
invitation at the meeting.
He, you know, when you meet withthe officials before the game,
usually the other coach standsoff, but Shrives is listening
the whole thing.
And I said to the officials,like, you know, Kevin Huntley
gets beat up.
They're gonna come after him.
Like just, you know, reallyjust, if you can call it like,
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and then tribe's comes walking.
He is like, bk, wait a second.
Bk, I mean, it Hunts initiatesthe contact.
I mean, he can't, he can't callthat.
I mean, come on, bk.
And so that's my SHS invitation.
That's what Taman do.
They just, you know, runninginto people and then I'm like.
Who, wait, what Attack mandoesn't initiate the contractor
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or going the goal.
He's like, well, mean, come onbk, lemme stop you let me
interrupt you.
That's great.
Or lemme hear call limitations.
Yeah.
So this is my, oh, that's gonnabe tough to beat.
That was, that was, that wasvery strong.
So I got to coach with CoachBreschi at Brown for a couple
years.
Okay.
And, and I, we, we would always,you know, we had our way with
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with Coach Coddle at Brown fora, for a few years there.
And so every time before thegame, the little conversation,
you know, during the pregamewarm up, Hey, hi Ronnie, how you
doing?
I mean, I'll tell you, you guysare just a hell of a ball club.
I mean, you know, and you alwaysgot a little something for us.
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Got a little wrinkle.
You always got a little wrinklefor us.
Well coach, but not this year.
We're, no, I You always thinklike this was the year they were
gonna beat us, right?
Yeah.
And I'd say, well coach, how,you know, you guys seem to be
really coming together andplaying well.
Well, I don't know Ronnie.
I think we're still trying tofind ourselves, you know, I mean
we're, I mean, we'll we'regiving it the college try
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Ronnie, but I don't know whyit's gonna be a tough one today
for us.
I mean, you guys are reallystrong.
I think you, I think you got me.
I think you got me.
I think that's better.
And he's just like, buttering itup.
'cause you talked to the guys Ohmy god.
After the game and Oh, are sofull of shit.
Right.
We never thought in millionyears we would lose you guys and
Coach Co.
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Never did either.
No.
Oh God.
That's hilarious.
It's so, so true.
Good.
Well Coach, it was awesome totalk to you and thanks for
giving us all this time.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
It was great.
It was, it was great.
Really appreciate it.
It really was on many levels.
So friends, what a, what atremendous job coach Kelly has
done.
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Wrapping up.
Jay, the 2025 college lacrosseseason and another tremendous
season of Get Let Scoopabsolutely.
And couldn't have thought of abetter way to, to polish things
off.
So thanks a million, Brian.
Thank you.
And we will, we'll sign off fromthere.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the show.
We're so glad you're joining usfor this interview series with
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six time MIAA champion, and fourtime coach of the Year from
Calvert Hall High School inBaltimore.
The great Brian Kelly.
If you have not heard part oneof the series, we highly
recommend you go back and checkit out.
As it was pure Podcast Gold.
Now we will roll with therecording and you will find this
interview picking up right wherewe left off last time.
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In 2012 was probably, we werenumber one ranked team in the
country and we played Conestogaand they were four in the
country and we were loaded.
I had Ryan Brown I had Garrett,apple, apple, Evan Connell.
Wow.
Steven Kelly.
Like I had five PLL guys on thatteam.
Like we were loaded and we endedup, we were winning 10 to five
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going into the fourth.
And they started pressuring usand, and, and, and, and, and
created havoc.
And they got it to ten seven.
And prior to that I startedworking with a sports
psychologist because of the yearbefore we lost in the
championship and we kind offaltered a little bit and didn't
like how he did it.
So I started working with asports psychologist and and it,
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he really helped me tounderstand the pro, like a lot
of things.
And so, yeah.
I, mindset minute, Ron, we dothis little mindset thing.
We talk about the mindset.
Ended up, that's huge.
Losing the game.
Kind of soga ended up winning inovertime and Oh, man, it was
that.
Like I wasn't, I was, so afterthe, the next day of that game,
I, we had practice and I didn'tpractice.
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I, I, I had him write down on apiece of paper three things they
were thinking about when thecomeback came because mm-hmm.
My guy who mentored me the mostwas Dave Huntley, who was my
assistant, and he was brutallyhonest.
Okay.
So like, I would go into thecoach's room and he would tell
me if I stunk as a coach or if Idid a good job.
He is like, we did a good job.
It was, this one's on the kids.
Mm-hmm.
So, make a long story short,they all get their tallies.
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They bring it to me.
We tally up the things, thenumber three thing that they
were thinking about when the runwas coming was mm-hmm.
What will lacks power and allthose things would say, what
would they say?
Oh my god, that's great.
The, the number two thing wasthe rankings and what will all
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my friends say?
Yeah.
What do you think?
This is great for that to comeout, right?
Yeah.
What's number one?
What do you think the numberone, number one thing they were
thinking about?
Don't wanna lose that maybe youmight be mad or ju you know,
something external.
What will my parents, my parentssay, what will my parents think?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Right.
What will my pa That was thenumber one thing.
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So there's a study and if youask the study, if you could ask
a kid to pick one person towatch them play, who do you
think they would pick?
You'd think would be theirparents.
It's their grandparents.
It's because grandparents haveno expectations of them.
They don't have that.
Yeah.
They just enjoy the lot watchingem play.
Right.
Well, I shared that informationwith Dr.
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Spencer and he to said, Brian,you're totally outcome focused.
Yeah, your kids are all thinkingabout outcomes.
And so that's when we startedreally tackling process and I
was outcome focused because whenI started thinking like, I gotta
win this game in order to makethe playoffs, I get anxious and
I get all this stuff.
But when I started realizing Ijust gotta coach each quarter,
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each second, each moment, right?
And that loss transcended ourprogram to be since 2012.
It's been all about the processand it's all everyday thing.
You have to continue to retrainthese kids' mind to be process,
process, process.
So very cool.
I think that's something that'sreally important.
The next 200 feet there, there'ssome saying in that, like, think
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of yourself as like a cardriving down the road in the
pitch black.
You know, you don't need to see,if you're driving cross country,
you don't need to see 3000 milesacross.
You just need to see the next 20or 200 feet in front of you kind
of thing.
So yeah, a hundred percent.
That was very cool.
A hundred percent.
Excellent.
Love it.
Love it.
Yeah.
So, so Brian.
I, there's so many things fromwhat you just said that I want
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to ask, but I I, I feel like Iwant to ask you what's, because
I know you're gonna, well, I, I,I'll, I'll tell you what I, I'm
hoping you'll do is turn thisinto a positive, but so many of
the things that just said makeme think about the things that
are wrong in the game today.
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Oh, yeah.
You know what, what's your senseof what we need to do better as
people who care about the gameand care about kids?
And, you know, when we seewhat's happening, you think
about your youth experience andyou see what's happening in
youth, and you see what'shappening in club and the way
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that impacts your ability to tryto build the kind of culture you
want to build on your team.
Like, what, what do we just needto do better as steward of the
game?
I think there's a couple thingsin my opinion I think we live in
a world of style over substanceand it's the Instagram feed and
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it starts with our announcersand it starts with the people in
some levels.
Like they praise kids throughshoot two for 20.
And all you see is that onehighlight.
And you get kids that thinkthat's what the game is, is the,
you gotta break so much junkoutta kids when they come to
high school because they playclub and they've lose that
competitiveness because there'salways another game.
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There's always another game.
And it's not that thing.
And they don't value the balland they don't, and you have to
break that and, you know, and Ithink we live in a, a world of
like it's style over substance.
And to me, I want it to besubstance over style and like
is, is the thing.
And then I think we are sooutcome focused as parents and
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as, as as club coaches.
Like I'm coaching my son's 20.
30 team.
He's a seventh grader, and teamsare running a zone defense in
seventh grade to win a game, orthey're shutting a kid off in
seventh grade to win a game, andthey're running all these plays.
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And I sit there to theseparents, I'm like, listen, I,
we'll never, ever run a zone.
I'll never shut a kid off to wina game.
'cause we're gonna have to learnhow to slide and recover.
We're gonna have to learn how todo these things.
Yep.
And it's all about the process.
You just gotta trust the processand the problem that you have in
the game today.
It's, it, it's so fear driventhat these parents feel like, if
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I don't win, if I'm not at thisevent, if I'm not at that da, I
gotta do this.
We gotta do more.
And they're like my kid and I'mlike, no, you gotta do less.
Less is more.
Yeah.
You know and they say, well, mykid loves it.
I always say, well, my kid lovescandy.
I just don't let'em eat it everyday.
You know what I mean?
It's like we have to protectourselves from our kids, you
know?
And they get back injuries, theyget overuse injuries, they have
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all these things.
And, and then the other thingtoo is like sportsmanship is
gone in the sport.
Hmm.
Like, it, it, it's, it's reallybad and I blame the coaches and
I blame the parents, like theytolerate it and it, it, it to
me, you know, I have to remindmyself it's not my job to police
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the other kids on the otherteam, you know, when they're
disrespectful or things likethat.
And I think it's a real problem.
And I think you see things likethat and they're, they're the
things that, that, that I think,you know, I'm going quick.
That, that, that bother me aboutthe game.
And I just think, you know, I,it's funny, I had an exit
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interview with a ninth graderand I said, listen, you know,
the recruiting starts thefollowing year.
And I go, what I want you to dothis spring, this summer is go
out and fail.
I want you to fail as much asyou possibly can because I want
you to work on all the thingsthat you're not good at that you
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have to improve on.
I want you to go playleft-handed.
He's a right-hand attack man.
Play left hand.
It's okay.
And he's on my club team.
And my thing that I'm gonna sayto this 2018, which is my son's
team, is go out and fail today.
Like Right.
It's okay.
Take a, take a chance.
Right.
Take a chance.
Like work on your game.
They can't work on their game.
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'cause they're always evaluated.
They're always, and then theywant to be ranked.
Always gonna be perfect.
Yeah.
And there's like inside thecrosses watching my, like these
eighth graders and they're gonnaget ranked so they all think
about, that's crazy.
About the outcomes and it'scrazy.
So my whole thought with them islike, go out and fail.
That's what I want you to do.
Right, right.
I like it.
Try something, take somechances.
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Challenge yourself.
Right.
Do something.
Well, don't worry.
I mean, you know.
As a saint, it pains me to saythat if I had a son and I was
living down that area, I sure ashell want blame for Brian Kelly.
Coach, thanks.
It's it's clear why you're sosuccessful, not just in the
wins, but in developing youngpeople who have the right
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approach and the right values.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Coach Kelly and my co-host, thebig dog, make some great points
there.
But is there really a right wayand a wrong way to go about
things?
I mean, I just wanna say, youknow, whatever man, I mean,
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well, um, wrong.
No hesitation.
Absolutely positively, 100%guaranteed.
Yes, there is a right way and awrong way to go about things.
And when people think the waythey do things doesn't matter,
then they are part of theproblem.
Why?
Because we live in a world ofcause and effect.
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So everything matters.
It really does.
Young players out there andparents and coaches with
players.
Coach Kelly is telling us thereis a quote, end quote, right way
to do things and a not right wayto do things for a reason.
Coach Kelly is a six time MIAAchampion and a four time coach
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of the year, and what he'sgetting at here is the right
way, would be the principle way,which turns out to be the most
productive way on so manylevels.
The not right way iscounterproductive and is not
based on principles, but isbased on whatever feels good in
the moment.
Whatever is most convenient, orwhatever will satisfy one's
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ego's most pressing needimmediately without any regard
for the others on the team.
And we need to ask ourselves,what happens with these two
approaches?
Which one is more likely to tucktail?
The moment there is anydifficulty, which one is going
to be more stable?
Which one will be able to rideout a storm?
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Which one will be most likely tobreak down versus the one that
is most likely to endure?
I think we all know the answerto that question.
We want to base our actions onprinciples that may not always
be convenient, but that arealways self-evident in and of
themselves, principles that wehave talked about repeatedly on
this podcast.
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And another good source of theseprinciples would be to check out
a great book, an oldie, but agoodie.
The Seven Habits of HighlyEffective People by Stephen
Covey.
Some of those principles are tobegin with the end in mind.
So that would be to think abouthow you wanna evolve your game
this summer.
What skills do you wanna acquireto improve your overall
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effectiveness on the field?
Another principle of the book isto be proactive.
That means don't sit back andwait for practice to come
around.
Instead, work on the skillsyou're looking to master and try
out this summer betweenpractices and tournaments.
And another principle fromCovey's book is something we've
heard from just about everycoach we've had on this show,
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and that is sharpen the saw,also known as take care of
yourself.
That is your physical body.
Instead of staying up all nightplaying video games online and
eating bag after bag of talkiesor Doritos, make sure you were
taking time to get enough sleepevery night, eat right every
day, and give your body time torecover after workouts and after
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tournaments.
In the end, it's all aboutfocus.
Where focus goes, energy flows.
So what Coach Kelly isrecommending to his club players
is for them to put their focuson growth, on expansion, on
making themselves a better, moreeffective player come next year.
Because it is next year, thatreally matters, not what inside
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The players that focus on beingperfect in eighth or ninth grade
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They are not going to use theiroffhand or attempt to do
anything if it's not perfect.
Basing your actions onprinciples such as being
proactive, beginning with theend in mind, and sharpening the
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summer, but for next summer andevery summer to follow.
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So it's really fun talking toyou.
Yeah.
And we do, most of our listenersare either players who are gonna
be on the club circuit coming upor their parents.
Yeah.
Those are great tips you justgave us for the players.
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Yeah.
Now, what would you say to theirparents as they're coming up to
this, you know, they might be,obviously the big year is the
year after your son's year.
Yeah.
But, but any year.
What, what are some goodguidelines?
You're, you're obviously a greathigh school coach, played top D
one lacrosse, and you've beencoaching in this travel,
circuit.
What would you say, like, allright, parents, here, here,
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here's something that, that youcan take home from this podcast
and, and think about and maybedo things a little differently.
Well, one as a parent, don't,your kid knows when he plays
bad.
So when you get in the car, hedoesn't need to have a
conversation about hisperformance.
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Mm-hmm.
Right.
So, you know, if my onerecommendation to all parents is
like, just say like, I lovewatching you play.
You know, and if you want tocritique him, critique him on
his effort, not on anythingelse, but let him go home.
Let him eat.
Let him take a shower.
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And then if he comes down and hewants to talk about it, he
probably will talk about it.
And then that's when you cantalk about it.
But my biggest thing is don't,don't, don't, don't talk to him
right after the game.
They, they know.
Mm-hmm.
And they don't need that.
The second thing I would say toparents is the whole La Cub
world is, is rooted in fear.
They are all gonna try to getyou to say, I gotta do this
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event, you gotta do that event,and then you're gonna talk to
someone else and they're gonnasay, well, did you hear about
this event?
My son's doing that event.
Your son's not doing that event.
Why aren't your son doing thatevent?
My son's going to do thecircuit.
My son's playing for the RedHots.
My son's playing for this clubteam and he is doing this
national team.
And, you know, like, look, mykids, they, we play three
events.
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That's it.
And then they might.
Do a prospect day or like, they,they might, they're gonna do the
na, my one son made the Niketeam, and then next year when
he's a sophomore, he's gonna domore things because he's gonna
have to, could get recruited,but it's, he's only gonna do
five.
He's not gonna do 10.
The more you do, the worse youlook and the more you do the,
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the more picky the coaches getwith your sons.
So like, if you just do fiveevents when you're in the
recruiting, that that's plenty,like plenty.
And that's great advice.
Yeah.
You know, so to me, sometimesless is more.
And just manage your kids'minutes.
And, and this just trust theprocess.
'cause it, it, it, it all worksout and they'll, they'll,
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they'll find you, you know?
So just don't get caught up in,in the fear as ing of it and the
fear aspect of it.
And that's my biggest advice.
That's great.
Jay.
It reminds me of Lars who weasked, you asked a similar
question and mm-hmm.
Brian to what you said, LARsaid.
Look, you have to remember ifthe one time I'm seeing you is
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the last game of the fourthweekend in a row that you've
played and you're gassed, I'mnot gonna know that.
I'm just gonna see whatever thatperformance was on that day.
And even if you tell me it'sgonna be very hard for me to get
that outta my head becausethat's what I saw with my own
eyes, right?
And so it just, it's, it's justlike you have to think about the
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reality of what this is, andthat you're not gonna know when
that coach is gonna pick thatfield on that day.
So you better be fresh if you'regonna be in those tournaments
and you're gonna get evaluated.
You better make sure that you'reready to play and you're ready
to be at your best look.
Our championship game, we playedon a Tuesday McDonough, and then
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we played Friday.
My number one job was to get mykids to recover.
Right.
Like I, I didn't have thempractice hard.
You know, we walked through gameplan, we wanna recover these
kids play three games a day at90 degree heat on a Saturday,
and then they have to play threemore on another Saturday.
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You know, the thing, if I wasever running tournament, I would
never have any consolation gamesanymore unless it's a recruiting
event.
Right.
Like, let the kids go home, youknow?
Right.
If we lose your out, like whowants to play for eighth place?
You know, like Right.
It's just like, let's, let's go.
And personally, if I ran anevent, I wouldn't even have it
be a, a for a championship.
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Everyone gets four games andwe'll try to seed it up and then
it gives coaches freedom to playkids that, you know, you got
kids playing club that don'tplay.
Right.
It's crazy.
Like you're paying the money.
Like, because these coaches areall about wanting to win.
You know, I coach thechampionship game on a Friday
and then I'm helping my son'steam play on a.
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Saturday and we lost 15 to four.
And you know, I, I'm watchinglike, like, it, it just, you
know, it, it, IJ and like theteam we played was phenomenal
and so well coached, but at theend of the day it's like, you
know, it's enough is enough.
You know, like it just getsright.
Gets a lot and, you know, socan, they could overdo it.
Doubt.
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Yeah.
It can be over known.
Well, we usually have a rovingreporter who could not make it
tonight, but he's great forlistener questions.
And we do have a few to wrapthings up.
Good.
If you have a minute.
Yeah, I got'em.
One, one was from an email froma coach Andy Towers, and the
question was, who's the bestcamp lacrosse team you ever
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assembled and played with?
And would it be that team fromCornell in 1985?
Yes.
Yeah.
So you guys were on the sameteam?
Yeah, we were.
It was great.
And it's so funny'cause that thefinal four, this y weekend I ran
into our coach Coach de Mayo atOh really?
At the final four.
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So we were talking about it.
Yeah.
We had a, we were pretty legit.
Yeah, it was great.
That's hilarious.
With legendary Peter code there.
And, you know, remember Peter?
Yeah.
He, I think he had Hil Gartneron your team and Flug.
He gave me a few of the guys.
Yeah, we had some players.
Yeah, it was good.
We had a good team.
It was fun.
That was a great camp.
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Yeah.
That's awesome.
And then I had a questionsomeone wrote in I think it was
George G, he said, you're adefenseman now.
Please explain to me why all ofyour sons play attack.
That's a really good question.
You know, they just, they just,they naturally went that way,
you know, and honestly, I thinkI, I love coaching offense.
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I coach the offense at CalvertHall, so it's Oh, you do?
Nice.
Yeah, I've always been, I didn'tknow that the offensive end
since probably 17, you know?
Gotcha.
So may, but they were playingattack prior to that.
I just let'em play whatever theywanted to play, you know, and
that's where they all kind ofnavigated towards.
Good stuff.
And this last one, we'll, we mayinclude it, but we don't have
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to.
But there's a rumor that you'rereally excellent at striking a
pose.
For example, you have one of thebest poses of an Olympic
sprinter that's ever been seen.
Can you describe to us and toour audience what that pose is
all about?
It's probably something that wewon't put this on.
(23:00):
Tell dog what that was though.
I, if I can explain it.
Jay, it seems like you reallygot Coach Kelly there.
I dunno what the hell that's allabout.
And I think we'll probably haveto stop recording to find out.
But it took you, it took us anhour and a half, but Oh yeah,
you got Coach Kelly.
A little nervous.
Now he's unflappable.
(23:21):
Except when you bring up thesprinter.
Yeah, he's, he's unflappable.
But you finally broke him down.
Jay, just say I was really fast.
No.
Oh my God.
It was hilarious.
You'd have to, you, you'd haveto take the recording off to be
honest with you.
Right.
Let's take that off.
We can take it off.
Alright.
Yeah.
Now, now.
(23:42):
Coach Kelly, we're gonna endthis way.
We're gonna do a coachimpersonation off because my
favorite coach impersonation todo is Coach Coddle.
And I'd like to hear your coachCoddle.
And then I'm gonna do my coachcoddle and we'll let Jay judge
this.
Okay?
Yeah,'cause I just, I thinkCoach Coddles sort of a
caricature of himself and I, andI'd love to hear your coach
(24:05):
Coddle.
I, I can do shrives, Bobby doreally well.
God coddle, that would be toughfor me.
Really.
Well mix it up.
You could do Shriver then, ifthat's, if that's just you want
me to do, I can do Shrives.
Alright.
Do you know Shrives?
Oh yeah.
All right.
Alright, so I'll dohr.
So, background story, Kevin Huntwas my player, and I was going
(24:27):
in the to the officials beforethe game.
Like everybody would just try topound this kid.
And I'm, I'm meeting with theofficials and I'll do my Shriver
invitation at the meeting.
He, you know, when you meet withthe officials before the game,
usually the other coach standsoff, but Shrives is listening
the whole thing.
And I said to the officials,like, you know, Kevin Huntley
gets beat up.
They're gonna come after him.
Like just, you know, reallyjust, if you can call it like,
(24:49):
and then tribe's comes walking.
He is like, bk, wait a second.
Bk, I mean, it Hunts initiatesthe contact.
I mean, he can't, he can't callthat.
I mean, come on, bk.
And so that's my SHS invitation.
That's what Taman do.
They just, you know, runninginto people and then I'm like.
Who, wait, what Attack mandoesn't initiate the contractor
(25:11):
or going the goal.
He's like, well, mean, come onbk, lemme stop you let me
interrupt you.
That's great.
Or lemme hear call limitations.
Yeah.
So this is my, oh, that's gonnabe tough to beat.
That was, that was, that wasvery strong.
So I got to coach with CoachBreschi at Brown for a couple
years.
Okay.
And, and I, we, we would always,you know, we had our way with
(25:34):
with Coach Coddle at Brown fora, for a few years there.
And so every time before thegame, the little conversation,
you know, during the pregamewarm up, Hey, hi Ronnie, how you
doing?
I mean, I'll tell you, you guysare just a hell of a ball club.
I mean, you know, and you alwaysgot a little something for us.
(25:55):
Got a little wrinkle.
You always got a little wrinklefor us.
Well coach, but not this year.
We're, no, I You always thinklike this was the year they were
gonna beat us, right?
Yeah.
And I'd say, well coach, how,you know, you guys seem to be
really coming together andplaying well.
Well, I don't know Ronnie.
I think we're still trying tofind ourselves, you know, I mean
we're, I mean, we'll we'regiving it the college try
(26:15):
Ronnie, but I don't know whyit's gonna be a tough one today
for us.
I mean, you guys are reallystrong.
I think you, I think you got me.
I think you got me.
I think that's better.
And he's just like, buttering itup.
'cause you talked to the guys Ohmy god.
After the game and Oh, are sofull of shit.
Right.
We never thought in millionyears we would lose you guys and
Coach Co.
(26:35):
Never did either.
No.
Oh God.
That's hilarious.
It's so, so true.
Good.
Well Coach, it was awesome totalk to you and thanks for
giving us all this time.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
It was great.
It was, it was great.
Really appreciate it.
It really was on many levels.
So friends, what a, what atremendous job coach Kelly has
done.
(26:56):
Wrapping up.
Jay, the 2025 college lacrosseseason and another tremendous
season of Get Let Scoopabsolutely.
And couldn't have thought of abetter way to, to polish things
off.
So thanks a million, Brian.
Thank you.
And we will, we'll sign off fromthere.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
(27:18):
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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