June 25, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode of Get the Lax Scoop, hosts Big Dawg (Ron Doglish) and Jaybird (Jay McMahon) interview Nic Bell, the newly crowned USA Lacrosse High School Coach of the Year for 2025. The discussion covers Nic's journey from his early days in Warrenton, Virginia, to becoming a highly dependable collegiate player at Brown University, and eventually a highly successful high school coach. Nic shares insights on his lacrosse upbringing, the evolution of his career, and the mentors who guided him. The episode also includes a segment on the importance of following one's intuition and Nic’s transformative four years at Brown under coaches Scott Nelson and Lars Tiffany. The podcast emphasizes the importance of listening to one's inner guidance and highlights contributions to lacrosse camps for underserved communities.
00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop
00:23 Meet the Hosts: Big Dawg and Jaybird
01:27 Casual Banter and Travel Plans
04:28 Nick Bell's Lacrosse Journey
14:38 Mindset Minute: Trusting Your Gut
18:08 Harlem Lacrosse Boston Summer Camp
18:59 Nick Bell's College Recruitment Experience
20:21 Brown University Lacrosse: The Early Years
22:32 The Lars Tiffany Era
27:50 Senior Year Reflections and Career Path
29:08 Conclusion and Sign-Off
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(00:00):
It's time for Get the LackScoop, a podcast bringing you
all the people and stuff youshould know in the game of
lacrosse.
We take lack seriously, butourselves, not so much.
Join host Big Dog and Jaybirdand the biggest names in the
game brought to you by JayMcMahon lacrosse.
That's JML skills, mindset, andlacks IQ training.
(00:23):
Ron Doglish, the big dog, was acollegiate football and lacrosse
player at Brown.
He was also an assistantlacrosse coach and the executive
director of the SportsFoundation.
And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, athree time All American
midfielder at Brown.
He was the captain of the U.
S.
Junior National Team and is thefounder of JML.
(00:43):
And Joining us in the studio,Steve Grisolfi, who's collegiate
lacrosse career statisticsequals one goal against
Dartmouth brought to you by JayMcMahon lacrosse.
That's JML skills, mindset, andlacks IQ training, helping the
next generation of lacrosseplayers get to the next level
Well, lacrosse fans, we are inthe thick of the summer.
(01:04):
It's starting to heat up, Jay.
It sure is wrong.
The PLL season is heating up.
The summer camp circuit isheating up false.
And here, here at get the lackscoop.
Jay, we never stop in ourpursuit of talking to the game's
finest.
Jay, who do we have on toptoday?
Jay?
It's a pursuit of excellence.
Ron, lemme get into an intro.
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Our next guest has over 14 yearsof experience as one of the top
prep school lacrosse coaches inthe country.
While at the helm of the boyslacrosse program at the Taft
School.
He was a three-time founderleagues champion, a western New
England champion and a Geicohigh school national champion,
as well as the Western NewEngland Coach of the Year.
Over the course of two seasons,he has revamped a program
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steeped in tradition at St.
Anne's Bellfield inCharlottesville, Virginia,
taking the Saints to the Statefinals in 2024 and this year,
bringing home the state title bywinning the conference one VIS
AA state championship with aneight five win over perennial
powerhouse St.
Paul, the six and hot off thepresses.
He was just named USA, lacrosseHigh School Coach of the Year
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for 2025.
At Stab.
He is also the associateDirector of college counseling,
a position he's well versed inover the years as a prep school
and travel lacrosse coach, he'splaced over 180 players on
collegiate lacrosse rosters,helping them achieve their
dreams of playing collegelacrosse in the a CC, the Ivy
League, the Big 10 and various Dthree institutions.
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He played his college lacrossefor Coach Lars Tiffany at our
alma Mater Brown University,graduating in 2009 with a degree
in moderate American history.
Please give a warm, get the lackscoop.
Welcome to the one, the onlyNick Bell.
Nick, congratulations on gettingthat fantastic award.
(02:55):
Just saw the post today from,from stab up on Twitter XI
guess.
Yeah.
Thank you guys.
I really appreciate it.
And you know, I know that wedidn't talk about this in the
pre-show, but I, I have been,really enjoying your podcast,
really enjoying your work, and,and I'm honored to be on today.
So thank you very that Oh,great.
Thanks.
Well, Nick, Nick, sucking upwill work.
We're, we're good.
We'd love to hear, let us bevery clear.
(03:16):
We're we're looking for all,we're just old and washed up, so
we're looking for all thepositive reinforcement we can
get at this point.
Nick he's a big rumply dog who'sstarved for affection.
What can we say?
Sure.
So, so Jay, quite a scoop for usto have the National High School
Lacrosse Coach of the Year.
Yes.
Right after it's announced onGet the leg scoop.
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That is quite a scoop.
We scored it.
We scored it.
All right.
Wonderful.
Nick.
It's great to see you again.
Enjoyed watching you play forcoach Tiffany at a time when the
program was really on the rise.
And it seems like every programyou touch, you just immediately
impact in a positive way.
And we'll certainly get toplenty of that.
But one of the fun things wealways like to do is, you've
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heard with our guests is, youknow, we tend to know these
folks when they're playing inhigh school and college and
coaching, but we never quiteknow where that first spark
started or where they, wherethey developed their love for
the game.
So can you tell us where did,where did this all start for you
in terms of your first memoriesof lacrosse and who were the
people that were, were maybeinfluential and and get you
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started?
Thanks Ron.
So I grew up in Warrenton,Virginia, which is a little
closer to dc, certainly closerto DC than it is Charlottesville
where I live now.
I would not say the community Igrew up in was a lacrosse hotbed
by any means.
But, you know, during the timethat I was, you know, going
through middle school and thenhigh school at the Highland
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School I was introduced to thesport and completely fell in
love with it.
And.
I think back to my time there, Ihad some great coaches who also
worked in the school building.
You know, one Paul Horgan, whois my advisor my AP history
teacher, my coach for the fouryears that I was there.
Archie another guy who's stillin the community, doesn't work
(05:02):
at the school anymore, works ata different school, but you
know, had some like New Englandprep school roots from Kent
School and was a big hockey guythere, but just a really great
teacher and someone that lookedafter me.
You know, I don't think I madeit easy on any of my coaches
when I was growing up and Nice.
I'm sure LT could share some ofthose stories too, but it was
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really like in my, my middleschool and high school school
years that I was just like, I'mobsessed with this.
And you know, it was, it was asmall school.
We had a good crew of lacrosseplayers that were in my grade or
a year or two younger, or a yearor two older and.
You know, I think we did prettywell with the, with the, with
the program that we had there.
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But it was just, it was theteachers that I had, the people
that I already named so manyother people at the school that
I, you know, that I reallyappreciate for showing me so
much grace over the years.
And, you know, that's reallywhere I got started.
Cool.
Now as you said, that highschool experience started to
gel, and then when did you startthinking, all right, I wanna
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play in college, I wanna takethis to the next level.
And then what were things likeback then, of course they were
really different back when Ronand I were looking at school,
but for you, you know, headingin there in 2003 for, you know,
being in high school, what werethings like.
That's a good question.
It it, it was so much moresimple for me than it is for the
players that I'm coaching and,and mentoring advising now.
(06:28):
And really like playing collegelacrosse was pretty simple back
then.
I mean, you know, if you went topeak 200 or top 2 0 5 or if you
good enough to get into, youknow, Jake Reed's, Nike Blue
Chip, there was only three orfour camps that ran in the
summer.
You know, I was, I was growingup at a time when club lacrosse
was in its infancy and therewere some teams that were
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starting to play at like Battlethe Hotbeds and Champ Camp and
things like that.
I played on one.
Mm-hmm.
I played on team that was sortof like a, a Loudoun Valley,
like Northern Virginia.
You know, kind of like clubteam, I guess.
It was just a, a bunch of kidsthat played for a high school
coach that put it together.
But that wasn't really like abig part of my recruiting.
It was really just those camps.
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And I think I knew as soon as Istarted playing that I loved it
and I wanted to go as far as Icould with it.
And so, you know, I was going toa lot of like the UVA lacrosse
camp with Dom Staria at UVA andmm-hmm.
They had a great camp that I,I'm telling Lars and Kevin and
Logan and those guys, theyreally need to bring back the
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Graves Mountain lodge.
Oh.
Yeah.
Dom had told me about that.
Yeah.
Oh, that was, I still look backon that as some of my favorite
early lacrosse memories.
Now explain to the listeners whodon't know about that, what,
what that was all about.
Yeah, so Graves Mountain Lodgeis, this is a place in Syria,
Virginia.
It's like Madison County inIncre.
It was really like a big lodgewhere we would eat corn pudding
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and fried chicken every day anddo three in like sleeping
cabins.
You know, and, and, and even atthat time when I was in middle
school schooler, like I reallylooked up to Dom.
Chris Colbeck was a coach thatwas on staff at UVA at the time
that his like remarkable abilityto make an impression on
everybody that he comes incontact with.
And I still vividly rememberhim.
(08:19):
Mm-hmm.
And you know, so in those earlyyears I was really going to
like, you know, Johns Hopkinslacrosse camp, UVA lacrosse
camp, Maryland's lacrosse camp.
And then it was, it was after myfreshman year of high school
that I started to go to some ofthose, you know, the
aforementioned like peak 200,top 2 0 5, blue chip, in my
rising Sophomore, rising Juniorand rising senior summers,
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mm-hmm.
You know, but it's, but it was,you know, I, I went to those
camps, I did pretty well.
And I got recruited and it wasreally, it was as simple as
that.
Right.
Which is quite a departure fromwhere we are today.
Right.
Yeah.
So, so tell us about you know,we want to transition to the
Brown Days.
So what, what was the decider,first of all, who else, who else
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was interested in Nick Bell andwhat was, what drove your
decision to come to Brown?
You know, at a time where, let'sbe honest, Nick Brown wasn't on
the rise quite yet at the timeyou chose to go to Brown.
I think Scott Nelson wasprobably the head coach.
Right.
Definitely.
Yeah.
So Scott Nelson was the coachand one of the camps that I went
to was called like the, it wascalled like the Brown Summer
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Challenge.
And it, he actually had a goodidea that I think a lot of clubs
and like lacrosse companies nowhave leaned into, which was like
a regionally based camp.
So I played on, I showed upthere at, at, you know, I was
staying in the dorms that wereclose to the Sharp Refactory,
the ratty.
And we would walk up the hill tothe OAC and, you know, all the
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athletic facilities there.
We were playing on the roof youknow, back then before there was
turf out on Meister Carvan andor I guess before Meister Carvan
even existed.
But I played on a team with abunch of kids that were from the
Mid-Atlantic and we play againsta New England based team, and
there was a Midwest team andthere was even like a southeast
team.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't you know.
I'm a college counselor in myday job and I'm, I'm working
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with kids really closely inrecruiting through club and my
high school.
And I, I always say to them,like, you, you may not be able
to describe exactly what it isor you know exactly like, what
about the school?
I, I is drawing you there.
But you get a gut feeling.
And when I was at Brown, I just,I just really took to it.
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I liked it.
I liked the coaches, I reallyenjoyed the players that were
working the camp that were likeour coaches.
It just all kind of fell intoplace for me and I got this gut
feeling coming out of ninthgrade.
And then, you know, my, my momhad really pushed me.
Someone growing up in, you know,in rural Virginia, like.
There's a lot more out there andthere's a bunch of really good
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schools that are in theNortheast.
And at the time, like there wasno University of Richmond.
There was no high point.
There was no Jackson.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
There's not that much in theMid-Atlantic beyond like UVA and
Georgetown.
Right.
That I think that she was smartenough to know that there's
really good academic options forme that were outside of the
area.
So, so she, I give my mother alot of credit for pushing me to
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have an open mind when it cameto thinking about college and
recruiting, because there werejust so many more opportunities.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Coach Bell brings up a greatpoint here.
As he describes his experiencevisiting Brown as a ninth
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grader.
He says he had a strong,visceral response to the school,
a gut feeling about it.
In other words, he felt aconnection with the place and
its people, and then his bodysent him a positive signal about
it.
Another way of saying that isthat Brown resonated with him.
I had a similar positive feelingof connection with Brown when I
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visited way back when I was inhigh school, and I'll bet all of
you college grads listening hadsimilar experiences when you
visited schools and studies showthose of us who listen to that
inner guidance system tend toenjoy our experiences more than
those of us who do not.
I'm gonna take a leap here.
So buckle up buttercup and staywith me.
(12:25):
The world famous inventor,Nicola Tesla, said, if you wanna
find the secrets of theuniverse, think in terms of
energy, frequency, andvibration.
He believed that all matter onthe planet end, in the universe
was made of differing levels ofenergy, and he also had a
fascination with.
Resonant energies.
He discovered that certainenergies inherently connected
with other forms of energy, andthat a gut feeling is a signal
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to follow.
That signal is to follow ourinstincts, our intuition, our
inner knowingness.
That gut feeling is part of ourinner guidance system, a high
powered GPS that takes us to theplaces we're meant to go.
The places.
That our four are highest andbest good.
It is purely a feeling comingfrom the right hemisphere of our
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brain where our intuition,imagination, and creativity
reside.
Today's boys and girls who areimmersed in technology and
strictly rational left brainthinking could be missing out on
important cues coming from theirpowerful inner guidance system.
So here are a few tips to helpthem connect to that small,
subtle voice.
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That resides in each and everyone of us.
First, quiet the mind.
Meditation and mindfulnesspractices help calm the mental
chatter and create space forintuition to emerge.
Second is present momentawareness.
Engage your senses fully in thepresent moment, noticing details
and sensations without judgment,which can enhance our awareness
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of subtle cues.
Next, trust your gut.
Start with small, low stakesdecisions and notice how your
body reacts.
If you feel a strong pull oneway or the other, acknowledge it
and see how it plays out.
And finally, try journaling.
Write down your thoughts,feelings, and intuitive hits as
they arise.
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This can help you track patternsand identify recurring themes.
So there you have it.
And also do, as Coach Bell did,listen to your mother.
Mothers are highly intuitive andwell connected to their right
brains.
All in all, it helps to get intouch with your inner GPS.
It is highly intelligent andnever steers you wrong, and
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never takes you to a place ofutter chaos.
A place where there are noguardrails.
Speaking of no guardrails thatso many of our listeners
describe the college lacrosserecruiting trail.
So we've responded by puttingexcerpts of our 10 best
interviews with legendarycoaches, such as bill Tierney,
Lars, Tiffany and Andy towers.
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Into a book that you can accesson Kindle, it is available on
Amazon, under the title insidethe recruiting game insights
from college lacrosse coaches.
Also we would like to mentionthe Harlem Lacrosse Boston
Summer Camp for Boys and Girlswill be offered again this
summer and run by Brown Lacrossealum and guest on our show, Sam
Jackson.
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This camp is targeted forplayers who are with Harlem
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It is a critical time to helpthese young people feel
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Now we will return to ourinterview and you will find that
interview in progress.
So then, you know, whenrecruiting started to happen
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after my junior year, I, I mostconsidered Dartmouth, Yale
Brown.
Georgetown and the University ofMaryland and Navy.
And that's a, that's a terriblelist, Nick.
Yeah, come on.
Step it up.
You know.
Now I will say as I went throughthat summer like Yale said,
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we're not gonna be able to getyou in.
Dartmouth, I don't think Iplayed well enough at Jake
Reed's, Nike Blue Chip, and Ithink they sort of lost interest
and it really came down toMaryland, Navy and Brown.
And I actually they still runthis program at Navy.
They have something calledsummer seminar where you can go
there for like five days andessentially live the life of a
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midshipman and have some of thatexperience and like.
I'm a terrible dancer.
Wow.
Fairly uncoordinated.
And like, learning to March wasa, was a huge hurdle for me, and
for probably really bad reasons.
It, it drove me away from theschool, but I'm glad that I did
that.
Right.
And, you know, with the academicpiece being like my guiding
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light you know, brown was theonly school that thought I was a
good enough player to justify mytranscript getting me in there.
And I'm really liked what theydid because it, it was amazing
and and an easy choice for me inthe end.
That's great.
Nice.
Yeah.
So let's talk Nick about thenthat time at Brown.
Right.
And you know, it's, it's, it youknow, and I knew, I knew and
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liked Coach Nelson and the guysthat he coached with.
But unfortunately, you know,they struggle in your freshman
year.
I think you're two and 11,right?
And, and then, but then by, youknow, your last two years,
you're 11 and three and 12 andfour.
So, you know, it's funny, I wassaying to Jay in the lead up to
this, it was your group that Ireally think was the start of
that march back to the Finalfour, you know?
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And so, so tell us about whathappened during your four years.
It's always tough.
You know, as much as you mayknow and like Lars now, maybe, I
don't know.
I mean, he's weird.
Let's be, just be honest.
I say that those of us who knowand love him it's not as smooth
as Chris Colbeck.
I mean, I, I hope he'slistening.
No, he's not smooth.
He, as Chris Colback team, us, ateam, not nearly as cool as
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Chris Colback yet Chris and Iare teammates.
Yeah.
And but, but tell us what that,that four years was like and
what sort of defined thatexperience for you and what led
to that turnaround.
Yeah, rollercoaster sounds like,that's a great question.
So, a again, coming from a smallprivate school in, you know,
Northern Virginia, almostCentral Virginia, but Northern
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Virginia, and then, you know,transitioning to division one
college, lacrosse was a shockfor me.
And it was really hard.
It was harder than anything I'veever done in the sport.
And when we struggled that year,I didn't know any, I didn't know
any, anything different.
And I just thought, you know,our players aren't playing well
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enough.
There's more that I can do.
We're just not talented enough.
I never, you know, I don'treally point fingers at coaches.
I don't really yeah.
You know, it's, it's, it's sucha complex and nuanced job that,
especially at the time when Iwas 19, I, I was just like, you
know what?
We need to get better and we'renot, and you know, like I, I, I
don't know, like, I just thinkthat there were so many things
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that were happening at the sametime that I was just like, we're
having a bad season.
And yeah.
I'm not sure I thought moreabout it, you know, or anything
differently.
I didn't, I really like CoachNelson.
Yeah.
You know, and I, I'm verygrateful for him, you know, for
being the one that recruited me.
And you know, then when CoachTiffany came in, it was like, I
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could feel a palpable change.
And he is still an enormousinfluence in my life.
He's someone that, you know,when I need help with something
or I need counsel, or I need totalk about.
Something personal orprofessional or anything.
He's, he's, he's like, meet mein the weight room.
Let's go.
Yeah, let's get a rack.
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But, but, you know, but I'mstill like, to this day, I, I'm,
I'm always like so impressed andhumbled by him because he's
never too busy, you know, formm-hmm.
People that are in his cornerand.
You know, I, I, I would not bewhere I am.
I probably wouldn't be coachingif it wasn't for his influence.
And you know, that's cool thingsthat I remember when he started,
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like he changed our, our out ofseason lifting plan.
We weren't running nearly asmuch in the fall.
We were just like drinkingprotein shakes and lifting, you
know, three to four days a weekand not, you know, and all of us
were getting stronger and moreconfident and we were actually
enjoying college a lot more ifwe weren't, you know, waking up
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at six in the morning to do thehill runs and, and things like
that, you know, nine months awayfrom our season you know, he
would, he would do things, youknow, and I think he still does
it.
And I, I watch UVA practice allthe time because we're, we're
across the street from them.
But like he does the dynamicwarmups with the team.
He would do every lift with usand would outperform a lot of us
as a back in, you know, 2000,what was that, 2006, 7, 8, 9.
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Right.
But what I think I learned themost from him is just, you know,
to the weirdness comment, Ilearned authenticity and I
learned, you know, that myplayers will, will only respect
me if I'm actually being myself.
Yeah.
You know, like it or not, Larsis always himself and mm-hmm.
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You know, I think that was suchan impressionable and like key
thing for me to learn at a, at apoint in my life when I just
needed good male role models.
And, and he certainly filledthat void for me and all the
other kids in the program Icould speak for, you know, for
my classmates and, and a lot ofthe brown skaters from that era.
That's cool.
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And then what about, tell us alittle bit about the rundown.
Like, junior, senior year wewere checking some scores,
looked like you guys made theplayoffs, had a good, great game
against Hopkins.
Tell us about the end of yoursenior year.
I mean, it was an incredibleride to be on, and it was, you
know, I, I credit a lot of the,the kids, especially, you know,
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the cla the class of 2007 atBrown, the Will Davises and Dave
Madeira's and Alex Buckley's.
Those guys were some of the bestleaders I've ever been around.
And I think they willed usforward along with Lars.
We also happen, like we stumbledinto having, you know, like the
Thomas Muldoon, who, you know,could have gone to a lot of
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different schools, but wasmm-hmm.
Off centered and quirky and wasdrawn to Brown for a lot of,
well, a lot of like the holisticuniversity reasons.
Right.
Whereas a lot of us were justthinking about lacrosse, you
know, he, he was a reallydynamic player during that time.
You know, Jack Walsh was one ofmy classmates and a kid that I
lived with who completelyoverachieved as a player and as
a leader, and became a kid.
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What a scrappy bastard he was.
Oh.
Just, I mean, relentless, 140pounds soaking wet, you know,
like, but would always make abig play.
Like when you needed a big play,would just like, I'm like, what
is that kid doing?
Making that play totally clutchand I would be remiss not to.
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Obviously talk about JordanBurke, who mm-hmm.
I mean he, he, he couldn't do apull up and he could bear a box
jump and he was like sophysically weak, but one of the
most coordinated and one of themost you know, focused athletes
that I've ever been around.
And I mean, he graduated as athree time all Ivy, maybe three
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time All American, two time IvyLeague player of the year,
national Goalie of the year.
And he was ridiculous.
And he was just, you know, andit was to the point where I.
I mean, we were, we were playingdefense and conceding regularly
to nine shots, let shots, right.
We don't need to cover that.
We were, you know, anything whybother outta 10 yards he was
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completely dialed in on andstart breaking out.
Yeah, it was, let him, it, I hadnever seen anything like it.
And, you know, the second thathe got his chance as a
sophomore, which is when, whichwas lars's first year.
He, he took it and never lookedback.
You know, one of the bestnatural athletes I've ever seen
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despite being right and notbeing able to, not being an
athlete.
Well, you would not notice him,but, but, but you know, on game
day, he was the most, you know,hard to mis guy that we had.
I mean, Ron, where were thesegoals when we were there?
Sorry, Steve Ays Snake and PattyFlynn, the flounder.
But come on, we could have useda goalie of the year.
I'll, I'll tell you, I'll tellyou this.
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If we have Jordan Burke as ourgoalie, we win the national
championship in 1991.
Oh my, my, my God, I have nodoubt.
Don't, don't say it.
No doubt at all.
Oh, it's a killer.
Alright.
Enough about that.
But there you are, brown senioryear and you're thinking about
what am I gonna do with the restof my life?
I'm sure you might have thoughtabout it before that time, but
what were some of the things yousaid, obviously Coach Tiffany
(24:59):
was a big influence.
What was it that stirred youinto the teaching and coaching
profession?
Good question.
So I, when I was a freshman atBrown, I vividly remember in
October of that year, everysingle one of the seniors on the
team had either a commercialreal estate or private equity or
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some sort of financial servicesjob, almost a year ahead of, of
time and, and remind, you know,that was 2006.
Fast forward to 2008 and 2009,none of those jobs were hiring.
And I had you know, someinternships in commercial real
estate in the, I thought I wasgonna do something like that.
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And it was actually, I vividlyremember a practice where Dave
Evans, who was on ours on thestaff for a couple years there,
but mys was the offensivecoordinator my senior year.
He said, Dave Evans, He said, Hesaid, He said, he said out with
it.
What did he say to find out?
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Tune an in next week.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
It's time for Get the LackScoop, a podcast bringing you
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We take lack seriously, butourselves, not so much.
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He was also an assistantlacrosse coach and the executive
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And Jay McMahon, the Jaybird, athree time All American
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Well, lacrosse fans, we are inthe thick of the summer.
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It's starting to heat up, Jay.
It sure is wrong.
The PLL season is heating up.
The summer camp circuit isheating up false.
And here, here at get the lackscoop.
Jay, we never stop in ourpursuit of talking to the game's
finest.
Jay, who do we have on toptoday?
Jay?
It's a pursuit of excellence.
Ron, lemme get into an intro.
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Our next guest has over 14 yearsof experience as one of the top
prep school lacrosse coaches inthe country.
While at the helm of the boyslacrosse program at the Taft
School.
He was a three-time founderleagues champion, a western New
England champion and a Geicohigh school national champion,
as well as the Western NewEngland Coach of the Year.
Over the course of two seasons,he has revamped a program
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steeped in tradition at St.
Anne's Bellfield inCharlottesville, Virginia,
taking the Saints to the Statefinals in 2024 and this year,
bringing home the state title bywinning the conference one VIS
AA state championship with aneight five win over perennial
powerhouse St.
Paul, the six and hot off thepresses.
He was just named USA, lacrosseHigh School Coach of the Year
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for 2025.
At Stab.
He is also the associateDirector of college counseling,
a position he's well versed inover the years as a prep school
and travel lacrosse coach, he'splaced over 180 players on
collegiate lacrosse rosters,helping them achieve their
dreams of playing collegelacrosse in the a CC, the Ivy
League, the Big 10 and various Dthree institutions.
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He played his college lacrossefor Coach Lars Tiffany at our
alma Mater Brown University,graduating in 2009 with a degree
in moderate American history.
Please give a warm, get the lackscoop.
Welcome to the one, the onlyNick Bell.
Nick, congratulations on gettingthat fantastic award.
(02:55):
Just saw the post today from,from stab up on Twitter XI
guess.
Yeah.
Thank you guys.
I really appreciate it.
And you know, I know that wedidn't talk about this in the
pre-show, but I, I have been,really enjoying your podcast,
really enjoying your work, and,and I'm honored to be on today.
So thank you very that Oh,great.
Thanks.
Well, Nick, Nick, sucking upwill work.
We're, we're good.
We'd love to hear, let us bevery clear.
(03:16):
We're we're looking for all,we're just old and washed up, so
we're looking for all thepositive reinforcement we can
get at this point.
Nick he's a big rumply dog who'sstarved for affection.
What can we say?
Sure.
So, so Jay, quite a scoop for usto have the National High School
Lacrosse Coach of the Year.
Yes.
Right after it's announced onGet the leg scoop.
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That is quite a scoop.
We scored it.
We scored it.
All right.
Wonderful.
Nick.
It's great to see you again.
Enjoyed watching you play forcoach Tiffany at a time when the
program was really on the rise.
And it seems like every programyou touch, you just immediately
impact in a positive way.
And we'll certainly get toplenty of that.
But one of the fun things wealways like to do is, you've
(03:58):
heard with our guests is, youknow, we tend to know these
folks when they're playing inhigh school and college and
coaching, but we never quiteknow where that first spark
started or where they, wherethey developed their love for
the game.
So can you tell us where did,where did this all start for you
in terms of your first memoriesof lacrosse and who were the
people that were, were maybeinfluential and and get you
(04:19):
started?
Thanks Ron.
So I grew up in Warrenton,Virginia, which is a little
closer to dc, certainly closerto DC than it is Charlottesville
where I live now.
I would not say the community Igrew up in was a lacrosse hotbed
by any means.
But, you know, during the timethat I was, you know, going
through middle school and thenhigh school at the Highland
(04:41):
School I was introduced to thesport and completely fell in
love with it.
And.
I think back to my time there, Ihad some great coaches who also
worked in the school building.
You know, one Paul Horgan, whois my advisor my AP history
teacher, my coach for the fouryears that I was there.
Archie another guy who's stillin the community, doesn't work
(05:02):
at the school anymore, works ata different school, but you
know, had some like New Englandprep school roots from Kent
School and was a big hockey guythere, but just a really great
teacher and someone that lookedafter me.
You know, I don't think I madeit easy on any of my coaches
when I was growing up and Nice.
I'm sure LT could share some ofthose stories too, but it was
(05:24):
really like in my, my middleschool and high school school
years that I was just like, I'mobsessed with this.
And you know, it was, it was asmall school.
We had a good crew of lacrosseplayers that were in my grade or
a year or two younger, or a yearor two older and.
You know, I think we did prettywell with the, with the, with
the program that we had there.
(05:44):
But it was just, it was theteachers that I had, the people
that I already named so manyother people at the school that
I, you know, that I reallyappreciate for showing me so
much grace over the years.
And, you know, that's reallywhere I got started.
Cool.
Now as you said, that highschool experience started to
gel, and then when did you startthinking, all right, I wanna
(06:05):
play in college, I wanna takethis to the next level.
And then what were things likeback then, of course they were
really different back when Ronand I were looking at school,
but for you, you know, headingin there in 2003 for, you know,
being in high school, what werethings like.
That's a good question.
It it, it was so much moresimple for me than it is for the
players that I'm coaching and,and mentoring advising now.
(06:28):
And really like playing collegelacrosse was pretty simple back
then.
I mean, you know, if you went topeak 200 or top 2 0 5 or if you
good enough to get into, youknow, Jake Reed's, Nike Blue
Chip, there was only three orfour camps that ran in the
summer.
You know, I was, I was growingup at a time when club lacrosse
was in its infancy and therewere some teams that were
(06:52):
starting to play at like Battlethe Hotbeds and Champ Camp and
things like that.
I played on one.
Mm-hmm.
I played on team that was sortof like a, a Loudoun Valley,
like Northern Virginia.
You know, kind of like clubteam, I guess.
It was just a, a bunch of kidsthat played for a high school
coach that put it together.
But that wasn't really like abig part of my recruiting.
It was really just those camps.
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And I think I knew as soon as Istarted playing that I loved it
and I wanted to go as far as Icould with it.
And so, you know, I was going toa lot of like the UVA lacrosse
camp with Dom Staria at UVA andmm-hmm.
They had a great camp that I,I'm telling Lars and Kevin and
Logan and those guys, theyreally need to bring back the
(07:34):
Graves Mountain lodge.
Oh.
Yeah.
Dom had told me about that.
Yeah.
Oh, that was, I still look backon that as some of my favorite
early lacrosse memories.
Now explain to the listeners whodon't know about that, what,
what that was all about.
Yeah, so Graves Mountain Lodgeis, this is a place in Syria,
Virginia.
It's like Madison County inIncre.
It was really like a big lodgewhere we would eat corn pudding
(07:57):
and fried chicken every day anddo three in like sleeping
cabins.
You know, and, and, and even atthat time when I was in middle
school schooler, like I reallylooked up to Dom.
Chris Colbeck was a coach thatwas on staff at UVA at the time
that his like remarkable abilityto make an impression on
everybody that he comes incontact with.
And I still vividly rememberhim.
(08:19):
Mm-hmm.
And you know, so in those earlyyears I was really going to
like, you know, Johns Hopkinslacrosse camp, UVA lacrosse
camp, Maryland's lacrosse camp.
And then it was, it was after myfreshman year of high school
that I started to go to some ofthose, you know, the
aforementioned like peak 200,top 2 0 5, blue chip, in my
rising Sophomore, rising Juniorand rising senior summers,
(08:42):
mm-hmm.
You know, but it's, but it was,you know, I, I went to those
camps, I did pretty well.
And I got recruited and it wasreally, it was as simple as
that.
Right.
Which is quite a departure fromwhere we are today.
Right.
Yeah.
So, so tell us about you know,we want to transition to the
Brown Days.
So what, what was the decider,first of all, who else, who else
(09:05):
was interested in Nick Bell andwhat was, what drove your
decision to come to Brown?
You know, at a time where, let'sbe honest, Nick Brown wasn't on
the rise quite yet at the timeyou chose to go to Brown.
I think Scott Nelson wasprobably the head coach.
Right.
Definitely.
Yeah.
So Scott Nelson was the coachand one of the camps that I went
to was called like the, it wascalled like the Brown Summer
(09:27):
Challenge.
And it, he actually had a goodidea that I think a lot of clubs
and like lacrosse companies nowhave leaned into, which was like
a regionally based camp.
So I played on, I showed upthere at, at, you know, I was
staying in the dorms that wereclose to the Sharp Refactory,
the ratty.
And we would walk up the hill tothe OAC and, you know, all the
(09:52):
athletic facilities there.
We were playing on the roof youknow, back then before there was
turf out on Meister Carvan andor I guess before Meister Carvan
even existed.
But I played on a team with abunch of kids that were from the
Mid-Atlantic and we play againsta New England based team, and
there was a Midwest team andthere was even like a southeast
team.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't you know.
I'm a college counselor in myday job and I'm, I'm working
(10:14):
with kids really closely inrecruiting through club and my
high school.
And I, I always say to them,like, you, you may not be able
to describe exactly what it isor you know exactly like, what
about the school?
I, I is drawing you there.
But you get a gut feeling.
And when I was at Brown, I just,I just really took to it.
(10:35):
I liked it.
I liked the coaches, I reallyenjoyed the players that were
working the camp that were likeour coaches.
It just all kind of fell intoplace for me and I got this gut
feeling coming out of ninthgrade.
And then, you know, my, my momhad really pushed me.
Someone growing up in, you know,in rural Virginia, like.
There's a lot more out there andthere's a bunch of really good
(10:58):
schools that are in theNortheast.
And at the time, like there wasno University of Richmond.
There was no high point.
There was no Jackson.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
There's not that much in theMid-Atlantic beyond like UVA and
Georgetown.
Right.
That I think that she was smartenough to know that there's
really good academic options forme that were outside of the
area.
So, so she, I give my mother alot of credit for pushing me to
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have an open mind when it cameto thinking about college and
recruiting, because there werejust so many more opportunities.
How about if we, how about if wetransition to.
J m l and let's do that.
We'll get into a little bit ofthe mindset.
We'll do a mindset minute here.
Coach Bell brings up a greatpoint here.
As he describes his experiencevisiting Brown as a ninth
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grader.
He says he had a strong,visceral response to the school,
a gut feeling about it.
In other words, he felt aconnection with the place and
its people, and then his bodysent him a positive signal about
it.
Another way of saying that isthat Brown resonated with him.
I had a similar positive feelingof connection with Brown when I
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visited way back when I was inhigh school, and I'll bet all of
you college grads listening hadsimilar experiences when you
visited schools and studies showthose of us who listen to that
inner guidance system tend toenjoy our experiences more than
those of us who do not.
I'm gonna take a leap here.
So buckle up buttercup and staywith me.
(12:25):
The world famous inventor,Nicola Tesla, said, if you wanna
find the secrets of theuniverse, think in terms of
energy, frequency, andvibration.
He believed that all matter onthe planet end, in the universe
was made of differing levels ofenergy, and he also had a
fascination with.
Resonant energies.
He discovered that certainenergies inherently connected
with other forms of energy, andthat a gut feeling is a signal
(12:49):
to follow.
That signal is to follow ourinstincts, our intuition, our
inner knowingness.
That gut feeling is part of ourinner guidance system, a high
powered GPS that takes us to theplaces we're meant to go.
The places.
That our four are highest andbest good.
It is purely a feeling comingfrom the right hemisphere of our
(13:09):
brain where our intuition,imagination, and creativity
reside.
Today's boys and girls who areimmersed in technology and
strictly rational left brainthinking could be missing out on
important cues coming from theirpowerful inner guidance system.
So here are a few tips to helpthem connect to that small,
subtle voice.
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That resides in each and everyone of us.
First, quiet the mind.
Meditation and mindfulnesspractices help calm the mental
chatter and create space forintuition to emerge.
Second is present momentawareness.
Engage your senses fully in thepresent moment, noticing details
and sensations without judgment,which can enhance our awareness
(13:54):
of subtle cues.
Next, trust your gut.
Start with small, low stakesdecisions and notice how your
body reacts.
If you feel a strong pull oneway or the other, acknowledge it
and see how it plays out.
And finally, try journaling.
Write down your thoughts,feelings, and intuitive hits as
they arise.
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This can help you track patternsand identify recurring themes.
So there you have it.
And also do, as Coach Bell did,listen to your mother.
Mothers are highly intuitive andwell connected to their right
brains.
All in all, it helps to get intouch with your inner GPS.
It is highly intelligent andnever steers you wrong, and
(14:36):
never takes you to a place ofutter chaos.
A place where there are noguardrails.
Speaking of no guardrails thatso many of our listeners
describe the college lacrosserecruiting trail.
So we've responded by puttingexcerpts of our 10 best
interviews with legendarycoaches, such as bill Tierney,
Lars, Tiffany and Andy towers.
(14:57):
Into a book that you can accesson Kindle, it is available on
Amazon, under the title insidethe recruiting game insights
from college lacrosse coaches.
Also we would like to mentionthe Harlem Lacrosse Boston
Summer Camp for Boys and Girlswill be offered again this
summer and run by Brown Lacrossealum and guest on our show, Sam
Jackson.
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This camp is targeted forplayers who are with Harlem
Lacrosse, but will be makingthat all important transition
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It is a critical time to helpthese young people feel
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So with that, you will see thedescription of these items in
the show notes.
Now we will return to ourinterview and you will find that
interview in progress.
So then, you know, whenrecruiting started to happen
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after my junior year, I, I mostconsidered Dartmouth, Yale
Brown.
Georgetown and the University ofMaryland and Navy.
And that's a, that's a terriblelist, Nick.
Yeah, come on.
Step it up.
You know.
Now I will say as I went throughthat summer like Yale said,
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we're not gonna be able to getyou in.
Dartmouth, I don't think Iplayed well enough at Jake
Reed's, Nike Blue Chip, and Ithink they sort of lost interest
and it really came down toMaryland, Navy and Brown.
And I actually they still runthis program at Navy.
They have something calledsummer seminar where you can go
there for like five days andessentially live the life of a
(16:43):
midshipman and have some of thatexperience and like.
I'm a terrible dancer.
Wow.
Fairly uncoordinated.
And like, learning to March wasa, was a huge hurdle for me, and
for probably really bad reasons.
It, it drove me away from theschool, but I'm glad that I did
that.
Right.
And, you know, with the academicpiece being like my guiding
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light you know, brown was theonly school that thought I was a
good enough player to justify mytranscript getting me in there.
And I'm really liked what theydid because it, it was amazing
and and an easy choice for me inthe end.
That's great.
Nice.
Yeah.
So let's talk Nick about thenthat time at Brown.
Right.
And you know, it's, it's, it youknow, and I knew, I knew and
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liked Coach Nelson and the guysthat he coached with.
But unfortunately, you know,they struggle in your freshman
year.
I think you're two and 11,right?
And, and then, but then by, youknow, your last two years,
you're 11 and three and 12 andfour.
So, you know, it's funny, I wassaying to Jay in the lead up to
this, it was your group that Ireally think was the start of
that march back to the Finalfour, you know?
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And so, so tell us about whathappened during your four years.
It's always tough.
You know, as much as you mayknow and like Lars now, maybe, I
don't know.
I mean, he's weird.
Let's be, just be honest.
I say that those of us who knowand love him it's not as smooth
as Chris Colbeck.
I mean, I, I hope he'slistening.
No, he's not smooth.
He, as Chris Colback team, us, ateam, not nearly as cool as
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Chris Colback yet Chris and Iare teammates.
Yeah.
And but, but tell us what that,that four years was like and
what sort of defined thatexperience for you and what led
to that turnaround.
Yeah, rollercoaster sounds like,that's a great question.
So, a again, coming from a smallprivate school in, you know,
Northern Virginia, almostCentral Virginia, but Northern
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Virginia, and then, you know,transitioning to division one
college, lacrosse was a shockfor me.
And it was really hard.
It was harder than anything I'veever done in the sport.
And when we struggled that year,I didn't know any, I didn't know
any, anything different.
And I just thought, you know,our players aren't playing well
(18:52):
enough.
There's more that I can do.
We're just not talented enough.
I never, you know, I don'treally point fingers at coaches.
I don't really yeah.
You know, it's, it's, it's sucha complex and nuanced job that,
especially at the time when Iwas 19, I, I was just like, you
know what?
We need to get better and we'renot, and you know, like I, I, I
don't know, like, I just thinkthat there were so many things
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that were happening at the sametime that I was just like, we're
having a bad season.
And yeah.
I'm not sure I thought moreabout it, you know, or anything
differently.
I didn't, I really like CoachNelson.
Yeah.
You know, and I, I'm verygrateful for him, you know, for
being the one that recruited me.
And you know, then when CoachTiffany came in, it was like, I
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could feel a palpable change.
And he is still an enormousinfluence in my life.
He's someone that, you know,when I need help with something
or I need counsel, or I need totalk about.
Something personal orprofessional or anything.
He's, he's, he's like, meet mein the weight room.
Let's go.
Yeah, let's get a rack.
(19:55):
But, but, you know, but I'mstill like, to this day, I, I'm,
I'm always like so impressed andhumbled by him because he's
never too busy, you know, formm-hmm.
People that are in his cornerand.
You know, I, I, I would not bewhere I am.
I probably wouldn't be coachingif it wasn't for his influence.
And you know, that's cool thingsthat I remember when he started,
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like he changed our, our out ofseason lifting plan.
We weren't running nearly asmuch in the fall.
We were just like drinkingprotein shakes and lifting, you
know, three to four days a weekand not, you know, and all of us
were getting stronger and moreconfident and we were actually
enjoying college a lot more ifwe weren't, you know, waking up
(20:39):
at six in the morning to do thehill runs and, and things like
that, you know, nine months awayfrom our season you know, he
would, he would do things, youknow, and I think he still does
it.
And I, I watch UVA practice allthe time because we're, we're
across the street from them.
But like he does the dynamicwarmups with the team.
He would do every lift with usand would outperform a lot of us
as a back in, you know, 2000,what was that, 2006, 7, 8, 9.
(21:05):
Right.
But what I think I learned themost from him is just, you know,
to the weirdness comment, Ilearned authenticity and I
learned, you know, that myplayers will, will only respect
me if I'm actually being myself.
Yeah.
You know, like it or not, Larsis always himself and mm-hmm.
(21:29):
You know, I think that was suchan impressionable and like key
thing for me to learn at a, at apoint in my life when I just
needed good male role models.
And, and he certainly filledthat void for me and all the
other kids in the program Icould speak for, you know, for
my classmates and, and a lot ofthe brown skaters from that era.
That's cool.
(21:50):
And then what about, tell us alittle bit about the rundown.
Like, junior, senior year wewere checking some scores,
looked like you guys made theplayoffs, had a good, great game
against Hopkins.
Tell us about the end of yoursenior year.
I mean, it was an incredibleride to be on, and it was, you
know, I, I credit a lot of the,the kids, especially, you know,
(22:10):
the cla the class of 2007 atBrown, the Will Davises and Dave
Madeira's and Alex Buckley's.
Those guys were some of the bestleaders I've ever been around.
And I think they willed usforward along with Lars.
We also happen, like we stumbledinto having, you know, like the
Thomas Muldoon, who, you know,could have gone to a lot of
(22:31):
different schools, but wasmm-hmm.
Off centered and quirky and wasdrawn to Brown for a lot of,
well, a lot of like the holisticuniversity reasons.
Right.
Whereas a lot of us were justthinking about lacrosse, you
know, he, he was a reallydynamic player during that time.
You know, Jack Walsh was one ofmy classmates and a kid that I
lived with who completelyoverachieved as a player and as
a leader, and became a kid.
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What a scrappy bastard he was.
Oh.
Just, I mean, relentless, 140pounds soaking wet, you know,
like, but would always make abig play.
Like when you needed a big play,would just like, I'm like, what
is that kid doing?
Making that play totally clutchand I would be remiss not to.
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Obviously talk about JordanBurke, who mm-hmm.
I mean he, he, he couldn't do apull up and he could bear a box
jump and he was like sophysically weak, but one of the
most coordinated and one of themost you know, focused athletes
that I've ever been around.
And I mean, he graduated as athree time all Ivy, maybe three
(23:36):
time All American, two time IvyLeague player of the year,
national Goalie of the year.
And he was ridiculous.
And he was just, you know, andit was to the point where I.
I mean, we were, we were playingdefense and conceding regularly
to nine shots, let shots, right.
We don't need to cover that.
We were, you know, anything whybother outta 10 yards he was
(23:57):
completely dialed in on andstart breaking out.
Yeah, it was, let him, it, I hadnever seen anything like it.
And, you know, the second thathe got his chance as a
sophomore, which is when, whichwas lars's first year.
He, he took it and never lookedback.
You know, one of the bestnatural athletes I've ever seen
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despite being right and notbeing able to, not being an
athlete.
Well, you would not notice him,but, but, but you know, on game
day, he was the most, you know,hard to mis guy that we had.
I mean, Ron, where were thesegoals when we were there?
Sorry, Steve Ays Snake and PattyFlynn, the flounder.
But come on, we could have useda goalie of the year.
I'll, I'll tell you, I'll tellyou this.
(24:38):
If we have Jordan Burke as ourgoalie, we win the national
championship in 1991.
Oh my, my, my God, I have nodoubt.
Don't, don't say it.
No doubt at all.
Oh, it's a killer.
Alright.
Enough about that.
But there you are, brown senioryear and you're thinking about
what am I gonna do with the restof my life?
I'm sure you might have thoughtabout it before that time, but
what were some of the things yousaid, obviously Coach Tiffany
(24:59):
was a big influence.
What was it that stirred youinto the teaching and coaching
profession?
Good question.
So I, when I was a freshman atBrown, I vividly remember in
October of that year, everysingle one of the seniors on the
team had either a commercialreal estate or private equity or
(25:19):
some sort of financial servicesjob, almost a year ahead of, of
time and, and remind, you know,that was 2006.
Fast forward to 2008 and 2009,none of those jobs were hiring.
And I had you know, someinternships in commercial real
estate in the, I thought I wasgonna do something like that.
(25:42):
And it was actually, I vividlyremember a practice where Dave
Evans, who was on ours on thestaff for a couple years there,
but mys was the offensivecoordinator my senior year.
He said, Dave Evans, He said, Hesaid, He said, he said out with
it.
What did he say to find out?
(26:03):
Tune an in next week.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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