March 26, 2025 • 33 mins
Building the Lacrosse Barn: A Dream Realized with Nick Tintle
In this episode of 'Get the Lax Scoop', hosts Big Dawg and Jaybird delve into an inspiring interview with Nick Tintle, a two-time UNC All-American, MLL Champion, and renowned skills trainer. Nick shares his journey of establishing the Lacrosse Barn in Dallas—a state-of-the-art lacrosse training facility. He narrates his experiences of transforming a dilapidated building into a premier lacrosse hub, incorporating detailed biomechanics and specialized training strategies for athletes. Nick also discusses the influence of his mentors, overcoming significant challenges, strategic hiring, and his future visions for expanding the Lacrosse Barn concept to new locations. Additionally, the episode touches on personal anecdotes, like the creation of the barn's distinctive logo and Nick's favorite food spots, blending lacrosse insights with engaging stories.
00:00 Introduction to Get the Lax Scoop
00:23 Meet the Hosts and Guest
01:01 Interview with Nick Tintle Resumes
01:22 The Dallas Gym Opportunity
01:48 Building the Dream Facility
05:03 Challenges and Triumphs
06:22 Facility Features and Training Philosophy
12:28 Strategic Hiring and Training Methods
17:52 Biomechanics and Speed Training Insights
19:16 Learning from Lacrosse Experts
20:14 The Importance of Understanding the 'Why' in Coaching
23:08 The Lacrosse Barn Logo Story
27:02 Nick's Favorite Local Eats
29:00 Future Plans for the Lacrosse Barn
33:18 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Check out!... Coach Tintle's Lacrosse Barn:
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SuccessHotline with Dr. Rob Gilbert on Ironclad & Apple Podcasts
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Welcome back everyone for another
episode of Get the Lack Scoop.
We are super excited to releaseour interview series with two
time UNC, all American MLLChampion and Skills trainer
extraordinaire.
Nick Tinel.
If you have not listened to thefirst installment, we highly
recommend you go back and do soas it ties in beautifully with
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this episode.
You'll find this interview inprogress.
So, yeah, so I, so I was inlooking for smaller buildings
and I get a call from my nowinvestor in in Dallas.
He goes, I got this place.
And I didn't, I didn't know whohe was.
You know, I researched and heplayed the cross played at a
high level, played at the prolevel.
Has done well for himself, buthe he calls me and goes, I got a
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place you gotta look at.
I'm like, I'm sorry, who isthis?
And then I researched and saw,and I was like, all right, I'll
come check it out.
Not expect anything.
And I walk into this buildingand when I tell you it, it was a
shit hole.
It was beyond a shit hole.
But it was everything I'vedreamt of owning a gym.
It was a full field house,a-frame, no poles, wide open
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space, just right.
I was so tired, but I, when Iwalked in this place, I asked
myself when I'm on my deathbed.
And look back at thisopportunity.
And if I said no, I would regretit.
And that's why I was like, I'min 100% in now.
I asked him like how he found meor whatever, and you know, he's
an investor in a bunch ofdifferent things, but he found
me through mutual friends that Iplayed with or played against or
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whatever.
And everyone told him that I wasthe guy to run it because, you
know, I ran a brick and mortar,but I also Right.
Have a lacrosse background aswell.
So I basically said yes.
Took my wife to Dallas.
So did, so did he have this ideafor the space?
He is like, like, this guy's agreat lacrosse trainer.
This is a great space.
I mean, it's a huge space,right?
So, so he, yes.
So he moved to Dallas and hejust thought that they needed
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something for lacrosse.
Lacrosse is not a sanctionedsport, so they kind of get
kicked off to the side.
So they, they, they don't getindoor field space often.
They don't get this stuff.
And I was like, he, he, youknow, he was like, we could do
football, we could do soccer.
He wanted to do everything.
I was like.
I wanna make this a fulllacrosse place.
I, I think it's time.
And my uncle's been down here,coaching coach at the Woodlands.
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He's in Austin now, but he, oh,wow.
He told me to send thecoordinates I sent him, he goes,
you couldn't pick a betterlocation.
It's right between HighlandPark, where Presler ISS at now,
right.
ESD, you got Hockaday on thegirls side.
You have St.
Mark's, you have a bunch ofreally, you know, you know,
Charlotte North went to ESD.
She's 10, it's 10 down down theroad.
That's awesome.
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High level players, high levelteams, right within, you know,
15 minutes of the gym.
So I, I told him, I was like,and he looked at me, he is like,
okay, we'll, we'll, we'll try itout.
He goes, this is your thing.
It's a passion project for him.
But it, like, it was kind of arisk on my time to make it just
lacrosse and I just thought itwas the right time to do it.
I might be a little early to it,but I promise you since I've
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done it, people are starting totalk about putting it
everywhere.
They wanted, right?
Huh?
Yeah.
So anyway, this type offacility, well, I wouldn't bet
against you.
Yeah.
It was my, it was my dream.
It was my dream.
I swear I've dreamed, I dreamtof a place.
'cause when I was playing forDenver, we used to play in the
field house at, Bronco StadiumBroncos.
And I looked at it, I was like,man, if I had it, I just, all
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these years I've been designingthis facility in my head and now
I have the actual bones to do itand start from scratch and make
it my own.
And I moved my wife from, fromCalifornia, she's born, you
know, born and raised inCalifornia.
She moves to Dallas.
She, you know, she's anotherangel that was sent to me.
She's everywhere.
And I come, I show her thisplace and like I said, I mean,
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HVAC system were gone.
Wire line, like copper wiresstolen, windows broken.
It was dusty.
Like, I bring her in and I'mlike, this is gonna be strength.
This is gonna be chiropractor,this is gonna be this, this can
be this, this is gonna be fieldtur, blah, all this stuff.
I turn around and can't hear it.
A peep.
And I like, what's up?
She goes.
What the fuck did you do?
What do you mean?
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But what do you mean this?
It's gonna be beautiful.
She goes, do you know how muchwork you have?
And I'm like, I'm like, let'sstay in the honeymoon stage a
little bit for this.
Right?
And that, that was the start ofthe project that took 10 years
off my life.
Pretty much.
I, you know, I, I, I stayed inCalifornia.
I sold Athlete's Choice.
I stayed there for six moremonths working out of that
facility.
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And then I was gonna move toDallas and within that year, so
I thought it was gonna be a sixmonth, you know, a year project.
So six month renovation, ayear's worth kind of thing.
I started and then six monthsI'll be there while they're
building it out.
I got there.
I.
It took two years to get off thebat.
So I didn't have, I didn'treally have a job for two years
when I got here.
Obviously I, I was training andcoaching at the field, but I,
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you know, I was also going,meeting up with the architects
and meeting up with the townand, and doing all coding and a
DA compliance and, you know,putting security cameras in, you
know, entertainment systems.
Finding a strength coach to, toteam with, to finding our
chiropractor and our, and our PTside, and finding coaches that
wanna coach there and all thisstuff.
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But, you know, I wouldn't changethe world.
It, the place came out.
It's, it's, it's just unreal.
It's, it's, it's a different,it's a different facility.
It's a real special place.
Yeah.
But it looks like a piece ofartwork.
It is.
It's.
And yeah, just looking at someof the player testimonials on
the site, you know, it'sobvious.
You absolutely love what you'redoing and love these athletes
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and it, it's made a hugedifference, huge impact in so
many of their lives.
And, you know, in broad strokes,what is your approach?
And you could talk a little bitmore about the facility too.
I know looking at the videoonline, the number 88 is, is in
the, is in the facility.
So you could talk about that,but we're just gonna ask a
question in broad strokes, youknow, what your coding
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philosophy is like and what aresome of your most powerful
training principles.
But talk a little bit more aboutthe, the layout just so people
can kind of get a picture.
We'll put the link in the shownotes to your website.
'cause they gotta check it out.
It's just amazing.
So it's, it's one building rightnow.
We had two buildings.
We had to take down the bubblebuilding that was part of the
process of, of the firecompliance.
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But we're building a secondbuilding.
It's just in the, it's in theworks right now.
We finally opened building onephase one, which was the big
70,000 square foot gym.
Wow.
It has 76 yards of turf long,and then it's about 35 yards
wide.
It's got two rows of, ofseating.
So we have like event seating,so we could run sixes in there.
We have a box rink that we'llput in two to three months outta
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the year.
That is cool.
We want to introduce box to boththe girls and the guys.
We think it's an antigo part ofjust becoming an all around
player.
Yeah.
And then with sixes, it justmade an easy decision because of
the Olympics coming in there.
So get, get people situated withsixes and understanding the
rules and just, that's great.
Like think about basketball,pick up basketball.
That's how you get good.
Right.
So pick up, like pick uplacrosse is sixes, right?
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Right.
So we have mezzanine, every seatin the house is dedicated to my
buddy.
So 88 is on the every seat ofthe, of the gym.
The bull logo that we have forthe lacrosse barn that 88 is in
the mesh.
So I incorporate that witheverything.
We have Sweet Oak Fit, which isour strength and conditioning
company that we partnered with.
They are the best in Dallas.
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I, I wasn't settling foranything less than the best.
We wanted to come out, out thegate running.
I found them they've been aroundfor 12 or so years in the Dallas
area and their, I guess generalmanager is from Long Island.
He played lacrosse.
He trained Brenda O'Neill whenhe was younger.
And he started really, hestarted really kind of bringing
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in more lacrosse athletes andstrength training with athletes.
So one thing that was reallyimportant to me is through my
strength and condition speedworld out in California, I
understood and started learninghow lacrosse athletes moved and
the demand on lacrosse athletes'bodies.
So I wanted a strength coachthat wasn't giving bastardized
football programs to lacrosseathletes.
Right.
I wanted cross specific trainingfor lacrosse athletes.
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Yes, they gotta get bigger,stronger, faster, but how do we
keep them on the field?
Right.
Right.
On the girls side, it's ACLinjury prevention lower back.
You know, there's, there's a lotof things that go into the
demand of Blue Cross.
So we, we hired themstrategically on the other side
control.
Dr.
Andrew, he doesn't come from thelacrosse world, but he has
worked with Oak Fit in the past.
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So we were talking to some othercompanies in Maryland and
everything to move out, but ifthe strength coach and the PT
don't work together, if theyhave different philosophies and
methodology, it don't work.
And I knew that.
So I just said, Hey, Oak Fit,you are our strength and
conditioning team.
You are our partner.
We're in this together.
I want you guys to find who youwanna work with closely and then
you guys could share space andwork cohesively.
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'cause we wanted to create acohesive environment.
I didn't want to be.
That's great.
I want to go to work and enjoyworking.
Right, right.
And I wanna be professionalsthat do it the best in their
sector.
That's awesome.
So that's how we designed that.
We have, we, we will eventuallyhave a podcast room, which we're
building out now.
Cool.
We have, you know, a break roomand, and different, different
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things, but everything islacrosse.
You walk, I remember walkinginto gyms when I was younger and
there's baseball jerseys orfootball jerseys or basketball
jerseys on the wall.
And you're surrounded byathletes from other sports and
yeah, I played football andstuff, so it didn't bother me
that much.
But never have you seen, like,I, like I always used to watch
Cressie in the baseball worldand he's like known for, for
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baseball, right?
There's these guys that made itin one sport.
There's, you know, in footballyou have defensive back coaches,
you have linebacker coaches, youhave, right, you have specific.
So I wanted to really niche thatdown.
So that's kind of how we, wedesigned the whole place
lacrosse.
That's great.
When you walk into the lacrossebarn, I wanted you to understand
that this is lacrosse first.
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So when you walk into the left,we have benches that are our
benchmark and we have all ourkind of core models.
And then on the left of thewall, we have a full museum type
piece.
Of the origins of the game.
So think it's a Native Americanpiece with old wooden lacrosse
sticks, and it has the historyof the game from when it started
all the way until the Olympics.
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That will be coming in 2028.
That's so cool to teach,especially in Dallas, not a lot
of parents have played the game.
So we want to teach them andeducate them where the game came
from.
You know, kind of give it alittle bit of an ode of, of how
special the game is.
And especially with my story,right?
We, it's the medicine game andwe, we try to incorporate that
into our training and everythinglike that.
So everything is lacrossespecific.
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We partnered with Legends, sothey do our apparel.
Scott Hoad over there, just, youknow, his apparel's, you know,
above everything else, so heized it for us.
That's great.
We have a ping pong tableupstairs.
We have a flat screen TV withXbox.
We wanted the experience to befor kids not to come for an hour
in training and then leave.
We want parents to be like, thisis a safe spot.
They could shoot, you know, theycould train, they could shoot if
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the bay's open, or they can goupstairs and play some Xbox or
ping pong.
We have a foosball table, youknow, they can hang out.
Go, you can go go groceryshopping or go run errands and,
and leave'em there and let'em,you know, they'll be fine.
They'll, they'll have a goodtime.
We also have two home and awaylocker rooms that are customized
with the, the LB logo and, andbull logo.
So when we have the boxtournaments or the Sixes
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Leagues, you'll have a home andaway locker room as well.
Cool.
Man, that is just phenomenal.
Beautiful, incredible,unbelievable.
I mean, congratulations, man.
It, it it seems like theculmination of of a lot of
dreams and hard work andovercoming adversity.
It just sounds like an amazingplace.
Looks like an amazing placeonline too.
It is.
And, and the one, the otherthing that I wanna add to that,
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and if you guys don't mind,'cause I'll talk all, go right
ahead.
Go right ahead.
Go into our training strategies.
So I was very strategic on who Ihired as well.
My mentor trained Jack Posey,who played at Penn State.
Oh yeah, he plays for the chaosright now.
Right?
He had that devastating ECLinjury his senior year, actually
got an extra year and thendidn't find himself back on the
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field much his senior year extrayear.
But he tore his ACL before thefinal four.
So he has that adversary storyof, of the comeback.
He came back a lot earlier,played in a couple games, his,
you know, his extra year andthen Right.
Got invited to chaos andactually stepped on the field
quite a bit for chaos this year.
So he's got a great story.
He's absolutely way more maturethan I was graduating college.
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The guy is more, you know, morewisdom than I had at that age.
So he's got a great head on hisshoulder, shoulders.
He's great with kids.
He's teaching very detailedtactical, defensive work that.
We haven't, I don't think we'veseen you see like, you know,
different drills that you seerepeated over and over, Right.
He's challenging that.
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And that's kind of what, wheremy philosophy comes through is I
challenge things that I learnedbecause yeah, I learned'em from
great coaches.
I'm not saying they're wrong,but has anyone thought of, is
there a better way to dosomething?
Right.
In my opinion, lacrosse is themost understudied sport out
there.
Like if you look at baseballpitchers and stuff like that,
they're, they're measuring somany different things with
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baseball pitchers or hittinginstructors and stuff like that.
I don't think we even, right.
I don't even think we've startedthat in lacrosse.
Yeah.
I mean, I agree with skillstraining.
It is just skimming the surfaceand trying to get people to buy
into it and realize it's anintegral part of baseball,
football, basketball.
It should be the same forlacrosse.
Right.
Exactly.
So we take that approach and nowI.
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Then my other coach, coachearly, he runs early elevation
and you know, he works for thelacrosse barn and I picked him,
he played at Gordon College.
There's, there's a bunch ofcoaches in Dallas that played at
Syracuse and here and there andbig name guys, right?
Yeah.
We're, we're looking to maybetrain at the barn.
I, I chose Austin.
That's correct.
'cause I came out and, you know,he followed me through Inkit.
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So he knew we were buildingthis.
I invited myself to one of histraining sessions.
I wanted to see how heinteracted with the kids and
did, and, you know, he might nothave the accolades or he might
have not have played, he pickedup the stick really late in his
career.
He was from Virginia.
Didn't play until later, went toGordon College, had a good
career, but, you know, not like,you know, not the D one guy.
Mm-hmm.
I chose Sam because he's thebest coach I found as far as
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skills coaches in the Dallasarea and beyond.
So I chose him verystrategically.
I didn't care about accolades oranything.
I was like, how do you interactwith kids?
How do you make them betterdaily?
How do you, you know, programyour training sessions for
regression and progression andhow do you make it fun as well?
Right?
So it was very strategic of whoI hired.
And the way that we break thesethings down is, I went to a lot
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of camps when I was playing proand Alex and Pro and I watched
the, the best guys in the worldteach youth athletes how to play
lacrosse.
The problem or the disconnect isthat these little kids weren't
born with the talent that youhave.
They can't just do a skip split.
They can't just do a role likeyou do.
They can't, they don't have it.
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they haven't learned it or theyjust haven't been naturally
blessed with it.
They can't pick it up, right.
So I became obsessed and I meanobsessed for the last 15 years
of breaking down thebiomechanics of Blue Cross
athletes shooting form,technique, mechanics.
Challenging the stigma of likethese drills that have been
around for but never.
You just, you hear itregurgitate all the time, right?
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I wanted to find ways to teach a6-year-old that same drill with
like, like for instance, likeeveryone teaches like on the run
shooting to backpedal down thealley, right?
Every time you teach a young kidto backed down the alley, what
do they do?
They fade.
How do we from fading from dayone is we have them learn how to
run on a curve.
A curve.
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If you could run on a circle,you're gonna learn naturally how
to lean into it and not fade.
What they don't know is not howto, how to lean.
So it was different.
So we, we, I've challenged theseideas and I've found out better
ways to teach it to the youngestkids.
So they create better habits.
At an early age, which allows,and I know there's an old school
mentality and a new schoolmentality.
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I kind of fit in the middle.
I wanna build a strongfoundation of fundamental
overhand and all that stuff.
But if a kid is ready to.
Go behind the back and teach'emwhy and when to do it or, you
know, get out of differentthings and do, like, the game is
evolving and changing.
So that's heavy into my thing.
It's not flashy.
Right.
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Seeing these guys do some crazythings these days, you know, the
way I look at it, I, I say thisto all the coaches that like
challenge me.
I go, imagine someone told JohnGrand Jr to stop shooting behind
his back.
Right.
Wouldn't have John Grant Jr.
Right, right.
Exactly.
Or tell Mac O'Keefe not to shootunderhand.
He's got one of the bestunderhand shots ever.
Right.
Kids are gonna go to what theyfeel comfortable with and what
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they practice most often is whatthey're gonna be confident with.
So why are we taking that awayfrom them?
Let them create and then what weshould do as coaches is gear
them in the situations that theyshould use that and the
situations they should use Anoverhead shot.
Right.
Right.
Absolutely.
That's great.
I like that.
Given that latitude.
And then, and for me, with myspeed background, because I was
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obsessed with speed, so it was,biomechanics of breaking down,
like foot strikes, shin angles,head positioning is huge.
Weight distri distribution,where your weight should be on
your, on your foot when you'redodging, like it should be on
the inside foot.
Not many people know, but you'relanding on the foot and then
you're rolling over the big toe,which sets your arch and then
eventually sets the Achilles,which is your piston.
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Right?
So that is the thing that makesyou fast.
But kids don't know how to driveover the big toe.
They don't know how to set thatarch.
So we teach the, those likereally detailed things so that
that kid that can't naturally doa double jab or like has that
shake, we could teach it to himin some capacity.
Now, is he gonna be a KyleHarrison?
Is he gonna be a Jordan Wolf?
Or, you know, a sos or a Grant?
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Amen.
No, he's probably never gonnaget to that athletic, but we can
make him faster.
We can make him, we can make himbetter than what he would do if
he was never taught thosethings.
So I don't, I don't know if youknow, but did you see Jay
glowing there when you startedmentioning the foot?
I'm a former foot and ankledoctor, Nick.
Yeah, I mean, when you weretalking, you're talking about
loading the windless mechanism.
I love it.
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The toe and the arch.
I mean, Jay was just like, oh,this guy, the detail, I love it.
Yeah, it's a hundred percentspot on.
And that's the thing, like, andthen we like, so I know my
strengths, I know that mystrengths are breaking down,
that type of stuff.
You know, you had Jamie Monroeon, I studied Jamie Monroe stuff
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because that's not my strength.
I wanna be better at that stuff.
He's great with the X's and O's,the two man being just, you know
the savviness and the IQ stuff,right?
So if I can, create and breakdown Dodgers and get them more
athletic, because he's rightwith the athletes.
They'll, they'll figure it out.
They'll, they'll be able toadjust.
But what about the guys thatcan't move that way?
We gotta teach him how to movethat way and then be savvy.
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So I take things from him.
Long time.
I think he's a lacrosse savant,like nothing but praise for
Jamie Monroe.
Yeah.
Because he did stuff that Idon't comprehend and I'm trying
to learn from him as well.
But I think there's, I think themissing piece for me is the
athletic development through thegame of lacrosse.
Right.
And, and that goes into like,shooting, like, you know
deceptive shooting.
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And then just, you know,rotation and extension and
different things like that.
So we really try to break thatdown.
And then I think I'll end onthis'cause I'll keep going with
it, but I wanna make sure thatall the kids, so what I see
online a lot is cool Instagramdrills that necessarily, I can't
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find the why behind.
Every kid that does these thingsthat we're talking about, a high
level, I probably wouldn't tell'em about rolling over their
toe.
I would just cue themdifferently so they understand
it.
But they all are learning thewhy behind we do anything.
If I don't have a why, like if Igive them a drill and they're
like, and they ask me like, whyare we doing this?
And I don't have an answer forthem, or it doesn't make sense
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that that's not coaching, right?
That's just doing random things,right?
So I make sure that there's awhy behind everything.
And I think what I really gotgood at over 15 years is not,
not adding drills, but takingdrills away, right?
Yeah.
This drill doesn't get me or theathlete from point A to point Z
fast enough.
I don't need it.
Let me find something better orlet me replace it with something
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that's already been been done.
And you know, if you coach longenough, every kid learns
differently.
I have a thousand different waysto teach a roll dodge because
each kid gonna understand itdifferently.
I think that's part of it.
That's great.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, if, that's the thingwith motivation too, for kids,
if they don't know why they'redoing something, they're just
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not gonna come back and do itover and over again.
So that's, that's huge.
That's great.
Awesome.
Awesome stuff.
You can you imagine Nick tangleand and and Jamie and Row in the
same room talking lacrosse.
Good lord.
Good Lord.
Forget about it.
I love it.
Awesome.
I mean, it, it, it's so awesometo see, you know, and you and
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Jamie are very different peopleand it's funny, a as you were
talking, thinking about thedifferent ways you two think
about the game that kind ofmatches your personalities, you
know?
Yeah.
And you each in your own way arethinking in ways that a lot of
people don't think about thegame of lacrosse.
So it's really neat to see thejuxtaposition of you two and the
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ways you approach your work.
Yeah, absolutely.
No doubt.
So is our roving reporteraround.
Steve Sfi.
Yeah, we're ready to go.
Outstanding.
There he is.
It, it was really interesting tohear you guys talk about the you
know, the mechanics of the speedgame.
'cause Ron and I used to discussthat a lot back in the late
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eighties.
I mean, didn't, did we, Steve?
I mean, I, I mean the blazingspeed and I, I mean, I really
down to the pizza place andback, I, I used to drive off my
toe like, like you wouldn'tbelieve Steve, Nick.
I mean, we would, we would belucky if we, if our shoes were
tied at that point, we countedthat as being advanced.
I mean, my, I always thought myAchilles was a piston, Steve,
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and you know that, you know thatto be true.
Steve Piston outstanding.
All right, so Nick, I have a fewquestions for you.
They, they limit me to nonlacrosse questions for obvious
reasons, but I have to hear thestory about the Lacrosse barn
logo.
It has to be in the running forone of the best logos in the
sport of lacrosse.
Who came up with the Longhornskull idea?
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Those t-shirts are fire.
Tell us about how, how that cameabout.
Well, so as you guys know now,the, the building, the build out
took two years.
So I had a lot of time to thinkand do things.
And with my, with my mind, it'sjust like, it's, it could always
be better.
It could always, like, I'm likea perfectionist in some manner.
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So the logo was done by my mymentor through his team.
He would send me a new logoevery day for six months.
And it was Nope, nope, notthere.
Nope, not there.
Not there.
And then I was like, can we putthe 88 in the mesh?
And then he brought it back andhe is like, he literally wanted
to ring my neck.
He's like, pick a logo.
Like, I'm like, no, it, it's notright.
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And I don't have to make achoice'cause the building's not
anywhere close to gettingcompleted.
So I'm just gonna, you know,hammer away at this.
And we had a logo when we firststarted, so it was a little bit
busy.
It was a little bit more of abillboard logo.
And I kind of was like, you knowwhat, if we take the bowl a lot
by itself, I think that's gonnabe a stronger like, logo for,
for clothing.
Then.
So for the benefit of thelisteners who, who you know,
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aren't watching the video, the,the logo is a Longhorn skull
where the actual head, part ofthe skull is the, is a lacrosse
head and it, it has the number88 in the mesh of the lacrosse
head.
Right.
Maybe it's available.
Get a little on YouTube.
I'll hold that up.
Maybe hold a little closer.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
But yeah, Dave, you know, youknow what I, you know, what I
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appreciate on the shop is youcan get three x, you know,
that's what I, Nick knows is alot X lacrosse players.
And Steve, for Steve, double X,double X just isn't what it used
to be.
I'll tell you.
Oh, is that what it is?
You know, I, I really appreciateand shrunk down the double X.
Huh.
Yeah, Ron just has to hang thatin the backyard to dry.
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He can't put that in the dryer.
No, no he can't.
I tell my wife that all thetime.
What the hell are you doing?
Dog's had a clothes line in,you're fit that goddamn thing
now.
Jesus.
So how many iterations did yougo through before you found, you
wound up with that one?
'cause that one really is great.
Probably went through 50 to ahundred iterations.
Oh my God.
And finally he came back to meand he's like, I got it.
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And I was like, all right, let'ssee.
And he sent it to me and I waslike, yep, that's it.
You just like, I just knew itwas, it, was it that that was
it.
Now it evolved a little bit overthe last seven months because we
started apparel and, and thatlogo that you saw on the, on the
gym was the initial logo.
But now we separated the bulland the, the, the lb.
So I was watching Yellowstone.
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You know how they have the wa onthe barn and I'm like, I got a
lacrosse barn.
I don't have a bull brand.
Like, you gotta have a brandlike that.
You would bull like, you know.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Couch.
So I came back, I was like, canwe put the L and the B together,
but have separate things?
So we have the LB and then wehave the bull logo and, and
stuff like that.
I, I came up, so I was sittingin Laguna Beach when I in
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California and I was like, whatam I gonna call this place?
And I just saw a-frame and I waslike, it's Texas.
I mean the barn, the lacrosse.
And it just came to me.
And once you like had thelacrosse barn, like I put it
into like a, a, a system andbuilt a logo for myself and it
was just like a red barn withthe lacrosse barn underneath it.
And that's how it started.
But then I was like, okay, whatelse is in, in Texas?
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Okay, the big Bulls, they havethe longhorns, let me do a
Longhorn.
And then it, and then some, likeI was thinking, I was like,
well, I want to put a lacrossestick in there so they know it's
lacrosse, but I don't like, youknow, I don't like the lacrosse
stick crosses and stuff likethat.
Like, I, I wanted to make itwhere like, you saw a bull
first, but then you noticed thelacrosse stick later.
And then we hit the 88 in thereand then, you know, kind of all
these reiterations kind of justkept going back and forth.
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But I think it, I think it cameout awesome.
Yeah.
Well done.
Totally well done.
Alright, so in my research I dugdeep and I need to ask you a
question about what pizza placein Levittown serves the best
Buffalo slice.
Oh, that's easy.
Umberto's.
Umberto's Okays.
Umberto's.
I think it might be on thecorner of Levittown and Au, but
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Umberto's for sure.
All right.
Not, not the one in Elmont,right?
This is the, like the, the, theone satellite location.
It's the one right on like AuLevittown border.
It says that your favorite slicewas the buffalo slice.
Was that basically what you ateevery day?
Buffalo slice of Roberto's was.
When I come home to Long Islandand see my parents, I mean, I
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make the runs.
I literally gain 10 pounds everytime I come home.
It's, you know, the hungry manin the morning.
It's some albertos for lunch orchicken parm, hero.
It's, you know, pasta, whateverit may be.
Or it's, you know, going back toFred's Deli to do, you know, a,
you know, another chickensandwich or a chicken cutlet
sandwich.
It's nonstop cards.
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My wife, the first time she cameto New York like after day
three, she goes, can we pleasehave a vegetable?
Right?
They don't have vegetables onLong Island.
It's just bread and more bread.
Let's do it.
So, I know there's not a lot ofgood pizza options down in
Dallas, but what place have youlearned has the best barbecue
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down there?
Ooh, good question.
I've been to a couple places.
My new place that I go, youcan't, so Alright.
By my house there is hard, hardeight.
It's hard.
Eight.
Yeah, that's a really good one.
I pass it every day and theystart smoking it at like six in
the morning and you just see itlike smoking and you smell it.
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You're like, you, you go to thatplace and you smell like
barbecue for the next week.
And then the one by my gym iscalled Oaked.
We actually just went there theother day.
That place is incredible.
But the barbecue is, yeah, it's,you can't, you can't really go
wrong with any place you go to.
But yeah, those would be my twofavorites.
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right.
Nice.
So I'm almost afraid to ask thisquestion based on how it went
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the last time, but where do yousee yourself in five years?
All right.
Well, we, we talk like my wifealways thinks that nothing's
enough for me.
Where she get that idea from.
I don't, I don't dunno.
So the barn was a bigundertaking and you know, like
I, I tell you what, when my momfirst started, she goes, how the
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hell are you gonna pay yourinvestor back by doing the cross
lessons?
We use some cart, some kind ofidiot.
And I'm like, it's a commercialreal estate.
I'm hoping that the commercialreal estate continues, you know
gain traction.
I'm, I don't expect to, if I didthat, I'd be, I'd be coaching
for four, four lifetimes to paymy investor back.
Right.
So is your mom savvy enough toknow that, asking you that
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question is just gonna make surethat you're gonna make it
happen?
So, when I first, so when Ifirst walked into the barn, it
was enormous.
It was huge.
It was like the biggest spaceI've ever been in and I can't
believe this is gonna be mineand so on and so forth.
I've been there for seven monthsand I'm already feeling like
I've outgrown it, you know?
That sounds weird and notoutgrown it business wise.
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There's still work to be done todo it, but.
You know, I don't, I, I'mgetting constant emails and dms
about starting at other placesand that, ooh, franchise the
barn that is not off the table.
So I'm just, you know, I'm gonnado it.
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It has to be in the perfect localocation is key.
You have to find the rightbuilding.
So there's, it's very few thatyou can do it and few places you
could do it.
But yeah, I think in the futureis to have the lacrosse barn in
other states.
And to be completely frank, not,not in Long Island, not in
Philly, not in Maryland.
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I just, they have so much longlacrosse is so, it's so popular
that they get space in thesemulti-sport facilities.
But to bring the expertise witha lacrosse only facility to up
and coming areas like maybeUtah.
Or Denver or Colorado, likeOregon, maybe Oregon, something
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like that.
There are places where peoplecan fly in and get, and, and,
you know, come to see you,right?
Yeah.
So that's the best part aboutDallas is ev like I get people
flying all over the country tocome see me and it's two and a
half, three hour flight toeverywhere.
So it's really nice.
That's cool.
Actually located, but I wanna,my goal is Maryland, laund,
Philly, all j Jersey, they'regonna be fine.
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They're gonna continue to growthe sport.
The sport has got its roots inthere.
I want the roots to grow otherplaces and really get high level
training.
For athletes.
'cause I mean, being inCalifornia, these, these parents
are spending fortunes to, tojust fly across the country to
play in a club tournament overthe weekend.
They come back, their kids areexhausted, they train once and
then they fly back and it'stournament to tournament flying.
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East Coast, west coast.
East coast, west.
Same they with Dallas.
My goal is with this barn, is tobring college coaches to it, to
bring, you know people to us sothat we can show the talent
that's in the Dallas area.
'cause there's a lot of talent.
They just need a little tweakshere and there.
But there's a lot of, a lot ofreally, really good players.
Cool.
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That's very exciting to hear.
Good luck with that, Steve.
I, I know I can speak with foryou, in saying that you and I
are available to be speedtrainers at the lacrosse plant.
I mean, you, I mean, I'll do itfor a charge.
I'll, I'll do it, but I'll haveto charge because I'm such an
expert on speed expertise.
Well, you should.
Hey.
Hey Nick.
You should see the size of thisfucking guy's calf.
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He's like a freaking nature.
I mean, it didn't help him joke.
I Volkswagen, if, if you need meto teach people how to do that,
I'm your guy.
God, I have a powerful Achilleson this guy.
He does a tremendous calfs.
Jay, this is a, for me, duringan episode, during an episode
buying gear from our guest, Ijust bought my burnt orange
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lacrosse barn t-shirt in three.
Beautiful, beautiful.
It's on its way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For our listeners out there, youhave to go to the lacrosse barn
website and check out the swag.
It's amazing.
Well, you know, maybe we willget on the road.
In six months or something andcome out and see the barn, do
another episode.
Guys are invited anytime.
Hey Nick, we're really reallyappreciate all the time you've
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given us tonight.
We're really, I, I mean I'llspeak for me.
I'm so excited for you, man.
You've worked so hard foreverything you've earned.
It's really exciting to seebreaking new ground in this
facility and I'll look forwardto your book being on the New
York Times best solo list.
Yeah.
And I'm excited for us'cause wejust got an amazing interview.
Awesome stories.
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Absolutely.
Well, thank you guys forinviting me on.
I appreciate it.
Hey, it, it was awesome.
Absolutely phenomenal,tremendous story.
And I'm excited, I'm excited foryour book and we've gotta make
it out there someday.
Whenever you're to Dallas, juststop on by.
All right.
Alright, Nick.
Thanks man.
Absolutely.
You really appreciate it.
Alright man, this was great.
Good luck with the facility.
I keep following you onInstagram.
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Great stuff.
All right, man, take care.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
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So, yeah, so I, so I was inlooking for smaller buildings
and I get a call from my nowinvestor in in Dallas.
He goes, I got this place.
And I didn't, I didn't know whohe was.
You know, I researched and heplayed the cross played at a
high level, played at the prolevel.
Has done well for himself, buthe he calls me and goes, I got a
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place you gotta look at.
I'm like, I'm sorry, who isthis?
And then I researched and saw,and I was like, all right, I'll
come check it out.
Not expect anything.
And I walk into this buildingand when I tell you it, it was a
shit hole.
It was beyond a shit hole.
But it was everything I'vedreamt of owning a gym.
It was a full field house,a-frame, no poles, wide open
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space, just right.
I was so tired, but I, when Iwalked in this place, I asked
myself when I'm on my deathbed.
And look back at thisopportunity.
And if I said no, I would regretit.
And that's why I was like, I'min 100% in now.
I asked him like how he found meor whatever, and you know, he's
an investor in a bunch ofdifferent things, but he found
me through mutual friends that Iplayed with or played against or
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whatever.
And everyone told him that I wasthe guy to run it because, you
know, I ran a brick and mortar,but I also Right.
Have a lacrosse background aswell.
So I basically said yes.
Took my wife to Dallas.
So did, so did he have this ideafor the space?
He is like, like, this guy's agreat lacrosse trainer.
This is a great space.
I mean, it's a huge space,right?
So, so he, yes.
So he moved to Dallas and hejust thought that they needed
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something for lacrosse.
Lacrosse is not a sanctionedsport, so they kind of get
kicked off to the side.
So they, they, they don't getindoor field space often.
They don't get this stuff.
And I was like, he, he, youknow, he was like, we could do
football, we could do soccer.
He wanted to do everything.
I was like.
I wanna make this a fulllacrosse place.
I, I think it's time.
And my uncle's been down here,coaching coach at the Woodlands.
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He's in Austin now, but he, oh,wow.
He told me to send thecoordinates I sent him, he goes,
you couldn't pick a betterlocation.
It's right between HighlandPark, where Presler ISS at now,
right.
ESD, you got Hockaday on thegirls side.
You have St.
Mark's, you have a bunch ofreally, you know, you know,
Charlotte North went to ESD.
She's 10, it's 10 down down theroad.
That's awesome.
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High level players, high levelteams, right within, you know,
15 minutes of the gym.
So I, I told him, I was like,and he looked at me, he is like,
okay, we'll, we'll, we'll try itout.
He goes, this is your thing.
It's a passion project for him.
But it, like, it was kind of arisk on my time to make it just
lacrosse and I just thought itwas the right time to do it.
I might be a little early to it,but I promise you since I've
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done it, people are starting totalk about putting it
everywhere.
They wanted, right?
Huh?
Yeah.
So anyway, this type offacility, well, I wouldn't bet
against you.
Yeah.
It was my, it was my dream.
It was my dream.
I swear I've dreamed, I dreamtof a place.
'cause when I was playing forDenver, we used to play in the
field house at, Bronco StadiumBroncos.
And I looked at it, I was like,man, if I had it, I just, all
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these years I've been designingthis facility in my head and now
I have the actual bones to do itand start from scratch and make
it my own.
And I moved my wife from, fromCalifornia, she's born, you
know, born and raised inCalifornia.
She moves to Dallas.
She, you know, she's anotherangel that was sent to me.
She's everywhere.
And I come, I show her thisplace and like I said, I mean,
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HVAC system were gone.
Wire line, like copper wiresstolen, windows broken.
It was dusty.
Like, I bring her in and I'mlike, this is gonna be strength.
This is gonna be chiropractor,this is gonna be this, this can
be this, this is gonna be fieldtur, blah, all this stuff.
I turn around and can't hear it.
A peep.
And I like, what's up?
She goes.
What the fuck did you do?
What do you mean?
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But what do you mean this?
It's gonna be beautiful.
She goes, do you know how muchwork you have?
And I'm like, I'm like, let'sstay in the honeymoon stage a
little bit for this.
Right?
And that, that was the start ofthe project that took 10 years
off my life.
Pretty much.
I, you know, I, I, I stayed inCalifornia.
I sold Athlete's Choice.
I stayed there for six moremonths working out of that
facility.
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And then I was gonna move toDallas and within that year, so
I thought it was gonna be a sixmonth, you know, a year project.
So six month renovation, ayear's worth kind of thing.
I started and then six monthsI'll be there while they're
building it out.
I got there.
I.
It took two years to get off thebat.
So I didn't have, I didn'treally have a job for two years
when I got here.
Obviously I, I was training andcoaching at the field, but I,
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you know, I was also going,meeting up with the architects
and meeting up with the townand, and doing all coding and a
DA compliance and, you know,putting security cameras in, you
know, entertainment systems.
Finding a strength coach to, toteam with, to finding our
chiropractor and our, and our PTside, and finding coaches that
wanna coach there and all thisstuff.
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But, you know, I wouldn't changethe world.
It, the place came out.
It's, it's, it's just unreal.
It's, it's, it's a different,it's a different facility.
It's a real special place.
Yeah.
But it looks like a piece ofartwork.
It is.
It's.
And yeah, just looking at someof the player testimonials on
the site, you know, it'sobvious.
You absolutely love what you'redoing and love these athletes
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and it, it's made a hugedifference, huge impact in so
many of their lives.
And, you know, in broad strokes,what is your approach?
And you could talk a little bitmore about the facility too.
I know looking at the videoonline, the number 88 is, is in
the, is in the facility.
So you could talk about that,but we're just gonna ask a
question in broad strokes, youknow, what your coding
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philosophy is like and what aresome of your most powerful
training principles.
But talk a little bit more aboutthe, the layout just so people
can kind of get a picture.
We'll put the link in the shownotes to your website.
'cause they gotta check it out.
It's just amazing.
So it's, it's one building rightnow.
We had two buildings.
We had to take down the bubblebuilding that was part of the
process of, of the firecompliance.
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But we're building a secondbuilding.
It's just in the, it's in theworks right now.
We finally opened building onephase one, which was the big
70,000 square foot gym.
Wow.
It has 76 yards of turf long,and then it's about 35 yards
wide.
It's got two rows of, ofseating.
So we have like event seating,so we could run sixes in there.
We have a box rink that we'llput in two to three months outta
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the year.
That is cool.
We want to introduce box to boththe girls and the guys.
We think it's an antigo part ofjust becoming an all around
player.
Yeah.
And then with sixes, it justmade an easy decision because of
the Olympics coming in there.
So get, get people situated withsixes and understanding the
rules and just, that's great.
Like think about basketball,pick up basketball.
That's how you get good.
Right.
So pick up, like pick uplacrosse is sixes, right?
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Right.
So we have mezzanine, every seatin the house is dedicated to my
buddy.
So 88 is on the every seat ofthe, of the gym.
The bull logo that we have forthe lacrosse barn that 88 is in
the mesh.
So I incorporate that witheverything.
We have Sweet Oak Fit, which isour strength and conditioning
company that we partnered with.
They are the best in Dallas.
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I, I wasn't settling foranything less than the best.
We wanted to come out, out thegate running.
I found them they've been aroundfor 12 or so years in the Dallas
area and their, I guess generalmanager is from Long Island.
He played lacrosse.
He trained Brenda O'Neill whenhe was younger.
And he started really, hestarted really kind of bringing
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in more lacrosse athletes andstrength training with athletes.
So one thing that was reallyimportant to me is through my
strength and condition speedworld out in California, I
understood and started learninghow lacrosse athletes moved and
the demand on lacrosse athletes'bodies.
So I wanted a strength coachthat wasn't giving bastardized
football programs to lacrosseathletes.
Right.
I wanted cross specific trainingfor lacrosse athletes.
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Yes, they gotta get bigger,stronger, faster, but how do we
keep them on the field?
Right.
Right.
On the girls side, it's ACLinjury prevention lower back.
You know, there's, there's a lotof things that go into the
demand of Blue Cross.
So we, we hired themstrategically on the other side
control.
Dr.
Andrew, he doesn't come from thelacrosse world, but he has
worked with Oak Fit in the past.
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So we were talking to some othercompanies in Maryland and
everything to move out, but ifthe strength coach and the PT
don't work together, if theyhave different philosophies and
methodology, it don't work.
And I knew that.
So I just said, Hey, Oak Fit,you are our strength and
conditioning team.
You are our partner.
We're in this together.
I want you guys to find who youwanna work with closely and then
you guys could share space andwork cohesively.
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'cause we wanted to create acohesive environment.
I didn't want to be.
That's great.
I want to go to work and enjoyworking.
Right, right.
And I wanna be professionalsthat do it the best in their
sector.
That's awesome.
So that's how we designed that.
We have, we, we will eventuallyhave a podcast room, which we're
building out now.
Cool.
We have, you know, a break roomand, and different, different
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things, but everything islacrosse.
You walk, I remember walkinginto gyms when I was younger and
there's baseball jerseys orfootball jerseys or basketball
jerseys on the wall.
And you're surrounded byathletes from other sports and
yeah, I played football andstuff, so it didn't bother me
that much.
But never have you seen, like,I, like I always used to watch
Cressie in the baseball worldand he's like known for, for
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baseball, right?
There's these guys that made itin one sport.
There's, you know, in footballyou have defensive back coaches,
you have linebacker coaches, youhave, right, you have specific.
So I wanted to really niche thatdown.
So that's kind of how we, wedesigned the whole place
lacrosse.
That's great.
When you walk into the lacrossebarn, I wanted you to understand
that this is lacrosse first.
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So when you walk into the left,we have benches that are our
benchmark and we have all ourkind of core models.
And then on the left of thewall, we have a full museum type
piece.
Of the origins of the game.
So think it's a Native Americanpiece with old wooden lacrosse
sticks, and it has the historyof the game from when it started
all the way until the Olympics.
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That will be coming in 2028.
That's so cool to teach,especially in Dallas, not a lot
of parents have played the game.
So we want to teach them andeducate them where the game came
from.
You know, kind of give it alittle bit of an ode of, of how
special the game is.
And especially with my story,right?
We, it's the medicine game andwe, we try to incorporate that
into our training and everythinglike that.
So everything is lacrossespecific.
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We partnered with Legends, sothey do our apparel.
Scott Hoad over there, just, youknow, his apparel's, you know,
above everything else, so heized it for us.
That's great.
We have a ping pong tableupstairs.
We have a flat screen TV withXbox.
We wanted the experience to befor kids not to come for an hour
in training and then leave.
We want parents to be like, thisis a safe spot.
They could shoot, you know, theycould train, they could shoot if
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the bay's open, or they can goupstairs and play some Xbox or
ping pong.
We have a foosball table, youknow, they can hang out.
Go, you can go go groceryshopping or go run errands and,
and leave'em there and let'em,you know, they'll be fine.
They'll, they'll have a goodtime.
We also have two home and awaylocker rooms that are customized
with the, the LB logo and, andbull logo.
So when we have the boxtournaments or the Sixes
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Leagues, you'll have a home andaway locker room as well.
Cool.
Man, that is just phenomenal.
Beautiful, incredible,unbelievable.
I mean, congratulations, man.
It, it it seems like theculmination of of a lot of
dreams and hard work andovercoming adversity.
It just sounds like an amazingplace.
Looks like an amazing placeonline too.
It is.
And, and the one, the otherthing that I wanna add to that,
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and if you guys don't mind,'cause I'll talk all, go right
ahead.
Go right ahead.
Go into our training strategies.
So I was very strategic on who Ihired as well.
My mentor trained Jack Posey,who played at Penn State.
Oh yeah, he plays for the chaosright now.
Right?
He had that devastating ECLinjury his senior year, actually
got an extra year and thendidn't find himself back on the
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field much his senior year extrayear.
But he tore his ACL before thefinal four.
So he has that adversary storyof, of the comeback.
He came back a lot earlier,played in a couple games, his,
you know, his extra year andthen Right.
Got invited to chaos andactually stepped on the field
quite a bit for chaos this year.
So he's got a great story.
He's absolutely way more maturethan I was graduating college.
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The guy is more, you know, morewisdom than I had at that age.
So he's got a great head on hisshoulder, shoulders.
He's great with kids.
He's teaching very detailedtactical, defensive work that.
We haven't, I don't think we'veseen you see like, you know,
different drills that you seerepeated over and over, Right.
He's challenging that.
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And that's kind of what, wheremy philosophy comes through is I
challenge things that I learnedbecause yeah, I learned'em from
great coaches.
I'm not saying they're wrong,but has anyone thought of, is
there a better way to dosomething?
Right.
In my opinion, lacrosse is themost understudied sport out
there.
Like if you look at baseballpitchers and stuff like that,
they're, they're measuring somany different things with
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baseball pitchers or hittinginstructors and stuff like that.
I don't think we even, right.
I don't even think we've startedthat in lacrosse.
Yeah.
I mean, I agree with skillstraining.
It is just skimming the surfaceand trying to get people to buy
into it and realize it's anintegral part of baseball,
football, basketball.
It should be the same forlacrosse.
Right.
Exactly.
So we take that approach and nowI.
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Then my other coach, coachearly, he runs early elevation
and you know, he works for thelacrosse barn and I picked him,
he played at Gordon College.
There's, there's a bunch ofcoaches in Dallas that played at
Syracuse and here and there andbig name guys, right?
Yeah.
We're, we're looking to maybetrain at the barn.
I, I chose Austin.
That's correct.
'cause I came out and, you know,he followed me through Inkit.
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So he knew we were buildingthis.
I invited myself to one of histraining sessions.
I wanted to see how heinteracted with the kids and
did, and, you know, he might nothave the accolades or he might
have not have played, he pickedup the stick really late in his
career.
He was from Virginia.
Didn't play until later, went toGordon College, had a good
career, but, you know, not like,you know, not the D one guy.
Mm-hmm.
I chose Sam because he's thebest coach I found as far as
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skills coaches in the Dallasarea and beyond.
So I chose him verystrategically.
I didn't care about accolades oranything.
I was like, how do you interactwith kids?
How do you make them betterdaily?
How do you, you know, programyour training sessions for
regression and progression andhow do you make it fun as well?
Right?
So it was very strategic of whoI hired.
And the way that we break thesethings down is, I went to a lot
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of camps when I was playing proand Alex and Pro and I watched
the, the best guys in the worldteach youth athletes how to play
lacrosse.
The problem or the disconnect isthat these little kids weren't
born with the talent that youhave.
They can't just do a skip split.
They can't just do a role likeyou do.
They can't, they don't have it.
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they haven't learned it or theyjust haven't been naturally
blessed with it.
They can't pick it up, right.
So I became obsessed and I meanobsessed for the last 15 years
of breaking down thebiomechanics of Blue Cross
athletes shooting form,technique, mechanics.
Challenging the stigma of likethese drills that have been
around for but never.
You just, you hear itregurgitate all the time, right?
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I wanted to find ways to teach a6-year-old that same drill with
like, like for instance, likeeveryone teaches like on the run
shooting to backpedal down thealley, right?
Every time you teach a young kidto backed down the alley, what
do they do?
They fade.
How do we from fading from dayone is we have them learn how to
run on a curve.
A curve.
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If you could run on a circle,you're gonna learn naturally how
to lean into it and not fade.
What they don't know is not howto, how to lean.
So it was different.
So we, we, I've challenged theseideas and I've found out better
ways to teach it to the youngestkids.
So they create better habits.
At an early age, which allows,and I know there's an old school
mentality and a new schoolmentality.
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I kind of fit in the middle.
I wanna build a strongfoundation of fundamental
overhand and all that stuff.
But if a kid is ready to.
Go behind the back and teach'emwhy and when to do it or, you
know, get out of differentthings and do, like, the game is
evolving and changing.
So that's heavy into my thing.
It's not flashy.
Right.
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Seeing these guys do some crazythings these days, you know, the
way I look at it, I, I say thisto all the coaches that like
challenge me.
I go, imagine someone told JohnGrand Jr to stop shooting behind
his back.
Right.
Wouldn't have John Grant Jr.
Right, right.
Exactly.
Or tell Mac O'Keefe not to shootunderhand.
He's got one of the bestunderhand shots ever.
Right.
Kids are gonna go to what theyfeel comfortable with and what
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they practice most often is whatthey're gonna be confident with.
So why are we taking that awayfrom them?
Let them create and then what weshould do as coaches is gear
them in the situations that theyshould use that and the
situations they should use Anoverhead shot.
Right.
Right.
Absolutely.
That's great.
I like that.
Given that latitude.
And then, and for me, with myspeed background, because I was
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obsessed with speed, so it was,biomechanics of breaking down,
like foot strikes, shin angles,head positioning is huge.
Weight distri distribution,where your weight should be on
your, on your foot when you'redodging, like it should be on
the inside foot.
Not many people know, but you'relanding on the foot and then
you're rolling over the big toe,which sets your arch and then
eventually sets the Achilles,which is your piston.
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Right?
So that is the thing that makesyou fast.
But kids don't know how to driveover the big toe.
They don't know how to set thatarch.
So we teach the, those likereally detailed things so that
that kid that can't naturally doa double jab or like has that
shake, we could teach it to himin some capacity.
Now, is he gonna be a KyleHarrison?
Is he gonna be a Jordan Wolf?
Or, you know, a sos or a Grant?
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Amen.
No, he's probably never gonnaget to that athletic, but we can
make him faster.
We can make him, we can make himbetter than what he would do if
he was never taught thosethings.
So I don't, I don't know if youknow, but did you see Jay
glowing there when you startedmentioning the foot?
I'm a former foot and ankledoctor, Nick.
Yeah, I mean, when you weretalking, you're talking about
loading the windless mechanism.
I love it.
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The toe and the arch.
I mean, Jay was just like, oh,this guy, the detail, I love it.
Yeah, it's a hundred percentspot on.
And that's the thing, like, andthen we like, so I know my
strengths, I know that mystrengths are breaking down,
that type of stuff.
You know, you had Jamie Monroeon, I studied Jamie Monroe stuff
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because that's not my strength.
I wanna be better at that stuff.
He's great with the X's and O's,the two man being just, you know
the savviness and the IQ stuff,right?
So if I can, create and breakdown Dodgers and get them more
athletic, because he's rightwith the athletes.
They'll, they'll figure it out.
They'll, they'll be able toadjust.
But what about the guys thatcan't move that way?
We gotta teach him how to movethat way and then be savvy.
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So I take things from him.
Long time.
I think he's a lacrosse savant,like nothing but praise for
Jamie Monroe.
Yeah.
Because he did stuff that Idon't comprehend and I'm trying
to learn from him as well.
But I think there's, I think themissing piece for me is the
athletic development through thegame of lacrosse.
Right.
And, and that goes into like,shooting, like, you know
deceptive shooting.
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And then just, you know,rotation and extension and
different things like that.
So we really try to break thatdown.
And then I think I'll end onthis'cause I'll keep going with
it, but I wanna make sure thatall the kids, so what I see
online a lot is cool Instagramdrills that necessarily, I can't
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find the why behind.
Every kid that does these thingsthat we're talking about, a high
level, I probably wouldn't tell'em about rolling over their
toe.
I would just cue themdifferently so they understand
it.
But they all are learning thewhy behind we do anything.
If I don't have a why, like if Igive them a drill and they're
like, and they ask me like, whyare we doing this?
And I don't have an answer forthem, or it doesn't make sense
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that that's not coaching, right?
That's just doing random things,right?
So I make sure that there's awhy behind everything.
And I think what I really gotgood at over 15 years is not,
not adding drills, but takingdrills away, right?
Yeah.
This drill doesn't get me or theathlete from point A to point Z
fast enough.
I don't need it.
Let me find something better orlet me replace it with something
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that's already been been done.
And you know, if you coach longenough, every kid learns
differently.
I have a thousand different waysto teach a roll dodge because
each kid gonna understand itdifferently.
I think that's part of it.
That's great.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, if, that's the thingwith motivation too, for kids,
if they don't know why they'redoing something, they're just
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not gonna come back and do itover and over again.
So that's, that's huge.
That's great.
Awesome.
Awesome stuff.
You can you imagine Nick tangleand and and Jamie and Row in the
same room talking lacrosse.
Good lord.
Good Lord.
Forget about it.
I love it.
Awesome.
I mean, it, it, it's so awesometo see, you know, and you and
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Jamie are very different peopleand it's funny, a as you were
talking, thinking about thedifferent ways you two think
about the game that kind ofmatches your personalities, you
know?
Yeah.
And you each in your own way arethinking in ways that a lot of
people don't think about thegame of lacrosse.
So it's really neat to see thejuxtaposition of you two and the
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ways you approach your work.
Yeah, absolutely.
No doubt.
So is our roving reporteraround.
Steve Sfi.
Yeah, we're ready to go.
Outstanding.
There he is.
It, it was really interesting tohear you guys talk about the you
know, the mechanics of the speedgame.
'cause Ron and I used to discussthat a lot back in the late
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eighties.
I mean, didn't, did we, Steve?
I mean, I, I mean the blazingspeed and I, I mean, I really
down to the pizza place andback, I, I used to drive off my
toe like, like you wouldn'tbelieve Steve, Nick.
I mean, we would, we would belucky if we, if our shoes were
tied at that point, we countedthat as being advanced.
I mean, my, I always thought myAchilles was a piston, Steve,
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and you know that, you know thatto be true.
Steve Piston outstanding.
All right, so Nick, I have a fewquestions for you.
They, they limit me to nonlacrosse questions for obvious
reasons, but I have to hear thestory about the Lacrosse barn
logo.
It has to be in the running forone of the best logos in the
sport of lacrosse.
Who came up with the Longhornskull idea?
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Those t-shirts are fire.
Tell us about how, how that cameabout.
Well, so as you guys know now,the, the building, the build out
took two years.
So I had a lot of time to thinkand do things.
And with my, with my mind, it'sjust like, it's, it could always
be better.
It could always, like, I'm likea perfectionist in some manner.
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So the logo was done by my mymentor through his team.
He would send me a new logoevery day for six months.
And it was Nope, nope, notthere.
Nope, not there.
Not there.
And then I was like, can we putthe 88 in the mesh?
And then he brought it back andhe is like, he literally wanted
to ring my neck.
He's like, pick a logo.
Like, I'm like, no, it, it's notright.
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And I don't have to make achoice'cause the building's not
anywhere close to gettingcompleted.
So I'm just gonna, you know,hammer away at this.
And we had a logo when we firststarted, so it was a little bit
busy.
It was a little bit more of abillboard logo.
And I kind of was like, you knowwhat, if we take the bowl a lot
by itself, I think that's gonnabe a stronger like, logo for,
for clothing.
Then.
So for the benefit of thelisteners who, who you know,
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aren't watching the video, the,the logo is a Longhorn skull
where the actual head, part ofthe skull is the, is a lacrosse
head and it, it has the number88 in the mesh of the lacrosse
head.
Right.
Maybe it's available.
Get a little on YouTube.
I'll hold that up.
Maybe hold a little closer.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
But yeah, Dave, you know, youknow what I, you know, what I
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appreciate on the shop is youcan get three x, you know,
that's what I, Nick knows is alot X lacrosse players.
And Steve, for Steve, double X,double X just isn't what it used
to be.
I'll tell you.
Oh, is that what it is?
You know, I, I really appreciateand shrunk down the double X.
Huh.
Yeah, Ron just has to hang thatin the backyard to dry.
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He can't put that in the dryer.
No, no he can't.
I tell my wife that all thetime.
What the hell are you doing?
Dog's had a clothes line in,you're fit that goddamn thing
now.
Jesus.
So how many iterations did yougo through before you found, you
wound up with that one?
'cause that one really is great.
Probably went through 50 to ahundred iterations.
Oh my God.
And finally he came back to meand he's like, I got it.
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And I was like, all right, let'ssee.
And he sent it to me and I waslike, yep, that's it.
You just like, I just knew itwas, it, was it that that was
it.
Now it evolved a little bit overthe last seven months because we
started apparel and, and thatlogo that you saw on the, on the
gym was the initial logo.
But now we separated the bulland the, the, the lb.
So I was watching Yellowstone.
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You know how they have the wa onthe barn and I'm like, I got a
lacrosse barn.
I don't have a bull brand.
Like, you gotta have a brandlike that.
You would bull like, you know.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Couch.
So I came back, I was like, canwe put the L and the B together,
but have separate things?
So we have the LB and then wehave the bull logo and, and
stuff like that.
I, I came up, so I was sittingin Laguna Beach when I in
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California and I was like, whatam I gonna call this place?
And I just saw a-frame and I waslike, it's Texas.
I mean the barn, the lacrosse.
And it just came to me.
And once you like had thelacrosse barn, like I put it
into like a, a, a system andbuilt a logo for myself and it
was just like a red barn withthe lacrosse barn underneath it.
And that's how it started.
But then I was like, okay, whatelse is in, in Texas?
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Okay, the big Bulls, they havethe longhorns, let me do a
Longhorn.
And then it, and then some, likeI was thinking, I was like,
well, I want to put a lacrossestick in there so they know it's
lacrosse, but I don't like, youknow, I don't like the lacrosse
stick crosses and stuff likethat.
Like, I, I wanted to make itwhere like, you saw a bull
first, but then you noticed thelacrosse stick later.
And then we hit the 88 in thereand then, you know, kind of all
these reiterations kind of justkept going back and forth.
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But I think it, I think it cameout awesome.
Yeah.
Well done.
Totally well done.
Alright, so in my research I dugdeep and I need to ask you a
question about what pizza placein Levittown serves the best
Buffalo slice.
Oh, that's easy.
Umberto's.
Umberto's Okays.
Umberto's.
I think it might be on thecorner of Levittown and Au, but
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Umberto's for sure.
All right.
Not, not the one in Elmont,right?
This is the, like the, the, theone satellite location.
It's the one right on like AuLevittown border.
It says that your favorite slicewas the buffalo slice.
Was that basically what you ateevery day?
Buffalo slice of Roberto's was.
When I come home to Long Islandand see my parents, I mean, I
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make the runs.
I literally gain 10 pounds everytime I come home.
It's, you know, the hungry manin the morning.
It's some albertos for lunch orchicken parm, hero.
It's, you know, pasta, whateverit may be.
Or it's, you know, going back toFred's Deli to do, you know, a,
you know, another chickensandwich or a chicken cutlet
sandwich.
It's nonstop cards.
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My wife, the first time she cameto New York like after day
three, she goes, can we pleasehave a vegetable?
Right?
They don't have vegetables onLong Island.
It's just bread and more bread.
Let's do it.
So, I know there's not a lot ofgood pizza options down in
Dallas, but what place have youlearned has the best barbecue
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down there?
Ooh, good question.
I've been to a couple places.
My new place that I go, youcan't, so Alright.
By my house there is hard, hardeight.
It's hard.
Eight.
Yeah, that's a really good one.
I pass it every day and theystart smoking it at like six in
the morning and you just see itlike smoking and you smell it.
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You're like, you, you go to thatplace and you smell like
barbecue for the next week.
And then the one by my gym iscalled Oaked.
We actually just went there theother day.
That place is incredible.
But the barbecue is, yeah, it's,you can't, you can't really go
wrong with any place you go to.
But yeah, those would be my twofavorites.
Awesome.
Awesome.
All right.
Nice.
So I'm almost afraid to ask thisquestion based on how it went
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the last time, but where do yousee yourself in five years?
All right.
Well, we, we talk like my wifealways thinks that nothing's
enough for me.
Where she get that idea from.
I don't, I don't dunno.
So the barn was a bigundertaking and you know, like
I, I tell you what, when my momfirst started, she goes, how the
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hell are you gonna pay yourinvestor back by doing the cross
lessons?
We use some cart, some kind ofidiot.
And I'm like, it's a commercialreal estate.
I'm hoping that the commercialreal estate continues, you know
gain traction.
I'm, I don't expect to, if I didthat, I'd be, I'd be coaching
for four, four lifetimes to paymy investor back.
Right.
So is your mom savvy enough toknow that, asking you that
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question is just gonna make surethat you're gonna make it
happen?
So, when I first, so when Ifirst walked into the barn, it
was enormous.
It was huge.
It was like the biggest spaceI've ever been in and I can't
believe this is gonna be mineand so on and so forth.
I've been there for seven monthsand I'm already feeling like
I've outgrown it, you know?
That sounds weird and notoutgrown it business wise.
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There's still work to be done todo it, but.
You know, I don't, I, I'mgetting constant emails and dms
about starting at other placesand that, ooh, franchise the
barn that is not off the table.
So I'm just, you know, I'm gonnado it.
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It has to be in the perfect localocation is key.
You have to find the rightbuilding.
So there's, it's very few thatyou can do it and few places you
could do it.
But yeah, I think in the futureis to have the lacrosse barn in
other states.
And to be completely frank, not,not in Long Island, not in
Philly, not in Maryland.
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I just, they have so much longlacrosse is so, it's so popular
that they get space in thesemulti-sport facilities.
But to bring the expertise witha lacrosse only facility to up
and coming areas like maybeUtah.
Or Denver or Colorado, likeOregon, maybe Oregon, something
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like that.
There are places where peoplecan fly in and get, and, and,
you know, come to see you,right?
Yeah.
So that's the best part aboutDallas is ev like I get people
flying all over the country tocome see me and it's two and a
half, three hour flight toeverywhere.
So it's really nice.
That's cool.
Actually located, but I wanna,my goal is Maryland, laund,
Philly, all j Jersey, they'regonna be fine.
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They're gonna continue to growthe sport.
The sport has got its roots inthere.
I want the roots to grow otherplaces and really get high level
training.
For athletes.
'cause I mean, being inCalifornia, these, these parents
are spending fortunes to, tojust fly across the country to
play in a club tournament overthe weekend.
They come back, their kids areexhausted, they train once and
then they fly back and it'stournament to tournament flying.
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East Coast, west coast.
East coast, west.
Same they with Dallas.
My goal is with this barn, is tobring college coaches to it, to
bring, you know people to us sothat we can show the talent
that's in the Dallas area.
'cause there's a lot of talent.
They just need a little tweakshere and there.
But there's a lot of, a lot ofreally, really good players.
Cool.
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That's very exciting to hear.
Good luck with that, Steve.
I, I know I can speak with foryou, in saying that you and I
are available to be speedtrainers at the lacrosse plant.
I mean, you, I mean, I'll do itfor a charge.
I'll, I'll do it, but I'll haveto charge because I'm such an
expert on speed expertise.
Well, you should.
Hey.
Hey Nick.
You should see the size of thisfucking guy's calf.
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He's like a freaking nature.
I mean, it didn't help him joke.
I Volkswagen, if, if you need meto teach people how to do that,
I'm your guy.
God, I have a powerful Achilleson this guy.
He does a tremendous calfs.
Jay, this is a, for me, duringan episode, during an episode
buying gear from our guest, Ijust bought my burnt orange
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lacrosse barn t-shirt in three.
Beautiful, beautiful.
It's on its way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For our listeners out there, youhave to go to the lacrosse barn
website and check out the swag.
It's amazing.
Well, you know, maybe we willget on the road.
In six months or something andcome out and see the barn, do
another episode.
Guys are invited anytime.
Hey Nick, we're really reallyappreciate all the time you've
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given us tonight.
We're really, I, I mean I'llspeak for me.
I'm so excited for you, man.
You've worked so hard foreverything you've earned.
It's really exciting to seebreaking new ground in this
facility and I'll look forwardto your book being on the New
York Times best solo list.
Yeah.
And I'm excited for us'cause wejust got an amazing interview.
Awesome stories.
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Absolutely.
Well, thank you guys forinviting me on.
I appreciate it.
Hey, it, it was awesome.
Absolutely phenomenal,tremendous story.
And I'm excited, I'm excited foryour book and we've gotta make
it out there someday.
Whenever you're to Dallas, juststop on by.
All right.
Alright, Nick.
Thanks man.
Absolutely.
You really appreciate it.
Alright man, this was great.
Good luck with the facility.
I keep following you onInstagram.
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Great stuff.
All right, man, take care.
Until we meet again.
Here's to hoping you find thetwine.
We're signing off here at theget the lax scoop.
Thanks again so much.
We will see you the next time.
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