July 12, 2023 • 37 mins
Quotes about change: "Trust your intuition and get out of 'Supposed to ville.'"
Imagine waking up one day and deciding to abandon everything you know to find your true self. That's precisely what Lisa Rose Lodeski did when she left her successful career as a private art dealer, turning her world upside down. As we chat with Lisa, she walks us through her soul-searching journey that took her from Hawaii to Europe and back, all in the bid to understand who she truly was without the constraints of societal expectations.
But life had more twists in store for Lisa. Just as she was adjusting to her new life, her husband suffered a catastrophic accident, forcing her to pivot yet again. In the midst of this unexpected change, Lisa discovered the strength to navigate her husband's health crisis and accept help from her friends. She opens up about the challenges she faced, and how trusting her intuition provided solace and a sense of control, even in the face of overwhelming uncertainty.
Throughout our conversation, the recurring theme of trusting one's intuition becomes apparent. Listen as Lisa shares how she harnessed her intuition to attract almost magical solutions to her circumstances. Her story serves as a powerful reminder that we all have the ability to take control of our own journeys, trust our intuition, and embrace change. If you're on the brink of a significant life transition, you won't want to miss Lisa Rose Lodeski's inspiring perspective.
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Peggie Koenig (00:00):
Welcome to.
So you Want to Move to theCountry and Raise Goats?
This is a podcast about change.
Change is all around us andsometimes we're ready for it and
sometimes we're not.
When it overwhelms us, well, wejust want to move to the
country and raise goats.
This podcast features storiesfrom people who have gone
(00:20):
through change.
We hope that their insightswill help you better understand
and deal with the changes inyour life.
I'm Peggie Koenig and, alongwith my co-host, Catherine Gryba
, we chat with insightful peoplewith interesting change stories
.
We hope you enjoy our podcast.
(00:43):
Lisa Roslideski had two lifetransformations.
One was planned and controlled,and the other happened when her
life was turned upside down,when her husband was in a
serious accident.
Lisa talks about achieving anelement of calm when you take
control over parts of changethat you can't control.
She challenges us to trust ourintuition and get out of
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Supposed toville, where a lot ofus live.
Well, today we are welcomingLisa Rose Lideski, from
California, to the podcast.
Hi, lisa Rose.
Hello.
Now, you and I we first met Iguess we have never really met
face to face, but we met in awriter's community when you
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reached out to me and said hmm,I have a couple of stories of
life transformations that youmight be interested in hearing,
so I'm delighted that you'rehere to share those today.
And two stories, two stories oftransformation.
So would you like to just startright there and just tell us
where that all came from, whathappened to you and what was the
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change in transformation?
Lisa Rose (01:53):
All right.
So I've had two very differentchanges that I wanted to share.
One is from my professionallife, where I completely changed
careers, and I did that at age50.
And at age 50 in my career, Iwas a private art dealer and art
consultant.
You know, fine art appraiser, acurator.
(02:14):
I was in the fine arts industry, fine arts realm loved it,
loved it, loved it, did.
Well, that's what my graduatedegrees in, that's how people
know me, that's why they wouldtake my phone call and it was
wonderful.
And around age 15, two thingshappened.
I had checked off everything onmy to-do list for my career.
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Everything I wanted toaccomplish I was able to
accomplish.
At that point I was very, veryhappy.
And the other was in the US.
Anyway, there was a bigrecession that was coming.
You know, around that timeperiod, 2007 to 2010,.
You know it started in thecommercial sector and then it
became across the nation and atthat point even my billionaire
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clients were saying things likeit looks really bad if we buy
art now.
Lisa.
So I knew that my business wasnot going to do well and I had
to make a choice at that point.
Either I could continue tospend money on my business,
keeping it present, keeping itafloat without an income stream,
or I could say you know, I'vedone pretty much everything that
(03:24):
I've wanted to do here.
Now I'm going to turn 50.
Now would be a time to consideran exit plan.
Catherine Gryba (03:32):
It's really interesting that those things
happen at the same time that yousaid you know I've done
everything I really wanted toaccomplish and it sounded like
you were okay and ready for achange, and at the same time,
jesus recession.
So why not Interesting how thathappened at the same time?
Lisa Rose (03:53):
Exactly.
So that was a change that I wasthinking about and decided to
choose for myself, but then thedifficult part was okay, now
what?
Catherine Gryba (04:05):
What next.
Lisa Rose (04:07):
This is this.
I had a little identity crisis.
To tell you the truth, I was alittle concerned of who am I now
?
What do I want?
Do I want something similar ordo I want something completely
different?
Now I came to a place ofprivilege where I did so well
that I could buy myself sometime and float and think about
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what I wanted, and still mybills were paid Right.
So I just want to qualify myexperience that way.
I was able to take off a couple, took off a year to think about
it.
Peggie Koenig (04:40):
So what was that process like?
Because I think a lot of peopleyou know they not a lot, but
the people that do go throughcareer change and, as you say,
it's an identity crisis, Right,what are?
What were some of the thingsyou did that would help you move
along or become enlightened asto what the next path was going
(05:00):
to be?
Lisa Rose (05:02):
I chose to travel because I believe that travels
the great teacher.
And I chose to travel mostlyalone.
I'm married but I'm a very Ihave a very contemporary
marriage.
So he said, and I decided, thatI would do home exchange.
I would exchange my home.
(05:22):
I had a home in Hawaii and ahome in California.
So I decided that I wouldexchange my home in Hawaii for
homes in Europe and I thoughtI'll do that for a little while
and I'll go by myself and figureout who.
Who am I now?
Who am I now without having tomake concessions in a
relationship or in a business?
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You know, what is it that Iwant?
Can I?
Can I get quiet enough ordistracted enough to be able to
hear my inner voice?
And what is it calling me to donext?
So that was one.
One choice that I made was toreally change up my situation,
my living situation.
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So I would bounce from Hawaiito California, to Europe, to
California to Hawaii, to that.
I did that.
I thought it was going to befor a year and it ended up being
.
It ended up being for 10 yearstotal.
But the first two years I wastrying to figure out my next
step.
So the second year I feltcalled to do some training or
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some research into somethingthat I dabbled in as a young
woman and that was intuition,development, spirituality,
energy, work.
And so I took that second yearto find a teacher to study and I
I here was the big changingpoint for me is I went into a
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bookstore.
I was looking in themetaphysical section of the book
or the travel section those aremy two favorite sections and
I'm in the metaphysical sectionand I am by myself.
Right, it's like Mondayafternoon there's nobody in our
by myself in this aisle and Iwas thinking, what am I going to
do next?
And I heard a book drop off theshelf behind me and I thought,
(07:15):
I thought maybe somebody wasbehind me.
So I turned around and I sawthis book on the floor.
I picked it up.
It was a book called Trust yourVives by Sonya Schoket Never
heard of her.
Put the book back on the shelf,turn around and the book
dropped again.
Catherine Gryba (07:27):
Oh, my God.
Lisa Rose (07:28):
And the hair on the back of my neck went up and my
hair on my arms was raised.
And I knew, because I wasintuitive since a child.
I knew that this was the momentthat my entire life was about
to change, and neither I was forit or I was going to run out of
the aisle, out the door to mycar, and so I picked up the book
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same book, by the way, samebook so I thought okay.
I'm going to read you cover tocover.
It was a Friday, it was aTuesday afternoon.
We read you cover to cover.
By Friday I had called Fanzoneto show Kat and I called her
office in Chicago.
I said you know, I just readyour book.
I said to her assistant she'smy teacher, can she be my mentor
?
How does this work?
(08:11):
And they said you know, she'sstarting a class next week in
Chicago on professionalintuition development.
There's one ticket left and itwas so expensive for me, it was
like I was like so expensive, itwas going to cost me thousands
of dollars and I just said yesand a plane ticket.
And I cleared my calendar and ahotel and I went because I knew.
(08:34):
I knew that I had found my pathforward and I trusted.
I trusted that intuition, eventhough it seemed irrational and
ridiculous to me to be doing itlike that.
I usually want confirmation ora synchronicity or something,
but I didn't do it that time.
I'm like no, this is it.
Catherine Gryba (08:55):
But, lisa, you had such a discipline to know
that you needed to quietyourself before you made any
decisions and I think for manyof us going through change, we
feel such a pressure, a rush tomake a decision and while you
had the luxury I'll say it, theluxury of taking the time off, I
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do think that's reallyimportant for us to think about
somehow finding that quiet spacein our life to think about it
or to not think about it andjust be quiet.
I think that's just soinsightful.
Lisa Rose (09:34):
I call it a sacred pause.
I call that a sacred pause whenyou feel the change coming, or
you want change, or your desireand change, but you're not quite
sure yet what the next step isor where you're going to go.
Think of it as a sacred pauseand I like to use the oh, let's
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say.
I guess it would be a metaphor.
Maybe it's an analogy ofsurfing.
You know, if you're surfing,there's a time when the waves
become flat and the big wavealready went and the next wave
didn't come, and you're in apause and in that pause
everything is possible.
You can get out of the water,you can go deeper, you can take
the wave.
You can not take the wave.
You can see what's coming.
(10:15):
You have a better perspectivefrom the beach all the way out
to the sea.
And I often use that as anexample and say don't be afraid,
don't be too quick, don't betoo quick to paddle out, just
have a good look at yourself,your situation, possibility.
It's also a great time to justsort of.
It doesn't cost anything to doyour homework, like I was in the
(10:38):
bookstore cruising throughbooks for free.
It's like a library to see whatis it.
I'm looking for a sign.
I was looking for something.
I wasn't really quite trustingmy inner voice yet.
I wanted something to tell mewhere to go next and what to do,
what to think about.
And that book flew off theshelf and that pretty much did
it for me.
Catherine Gryba (10:57):
You got a repeated sign that fell off
twice.
Lisa Rose (11:00):
I got the sign and then I got this confirmation and
the synchronization all at once.
But, that was a big moment.
I was scared.
I thought what are people goingto think?
What are the people going tothink when I say I'm going to be
a psychic?
I'm actually in tuitiondevelopment and I do soul
coaching, which is differentPeople's soul records and help
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them through transformation andfigure out who they really are.
Catherine Gryba (11:26):
And so that's what you're doing now, is it?
You transitioned into a newcareer.
Lisa Rose (11:31):
Yes, that's what I do now.
But I sort of settled there.
I started out as a Reiki master.
I started studying Reiki, reikienergy.
Someone basically used me astheir demo when they were
studying Reiki and it felt sogood, it was so wonderful and I
thought what is this?
And I studied and I think Ihave six levels, I'm a Reiki
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master three different times andthen from there I knew that I
wanted to professionally gettraining for intuition
development.
So I was intuitive as a childbut I really didn't know.
I know what was going on.
I didn't know how to work withit.
I didn't know how to protect myown energy, things like that.
Peggie Koenig (12:16):
What exactly is an intuitive Lisa?
Lisa Rose (12:20):
Well, your body is your intuitive instrument, so
everybody's intuitive, whetheryou know it or not, or like it
or not.
When you strengthen it, you cando more with it, but what it is
, it's being able to sense,interpret and take action on
vibration.
It's vibration, energeticvibration that's hitting your
body, it's hitting your body allthe time, and your instrument
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is your body, and your body andit's intuitive state knows which
of those energies or vibrationsit needs to pay attention to.
And it can be refined, it canbe strengthened, it can be used,
and then it can be usedprofessionally.
Peggie Koenig (12:59):
So what did all of I mean?
This is a big change.
You were in the art world, youwere a praising art, you were an
art dealer, and it's a bigchange to move into the
direction that you did.
What did your past colleaguesand connections think of this?
Did they Was that, Did theyaccept that or did they know
(13:22):
about it?
Lisa Rose (13:23):
Yes, so most of my colleagues and artists that I
worked with.
They thought it was interestingto go from the fine arts to the
healing arts.
They were primarily supportivebut curious.
My husband, who is a scientist,I'm not sure he understood any
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of it, but I remember he said tome so what do we do now?
We're going to get a tent and acrystal ball and we're going to
set you up at festivals, or youknow.
So he was all in, even thoughhe didn't understand what it was
.
Thankfully my mother didn'tunderstand it at all.
Catherine Gryba (14:04):
So I'm curious, going back to the identity
crisis, because you know yousaid as an art dealer, people
picked up the phone, I calledand your identity was tied to
that.
How much is your identity tiedto you being an intuition coach
or through this whole change,has your identity been more
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around?
It's Lisa, and not so much onwhat I do.
I'm really interested in whatyour identity, what it feels
like now.
Lisa Rose (14:35):
Actually, my practice and my business feels like a
natural extension of me, lisa,where when I was a private art
dealer, that's something I wasextremely interested in.
I was very good at it.
It was something that I did anddid really well and I loved it.
(14:56):
I'm not sure that it was anextension for me, because where
I'm operating from now is frommy soul.
My soul is expressing itself.
I create and offer what it isthat I can share that helps
others transform.
So when I've learned aboutmyself and what I'm able to do,
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what my gifts are, let's say, myqualities, my abilities all
that it's now for the benefit ofothers beyond myself, my
education.
When I was an art dealer, itwas benefiting me.
I was able to get the job, Iwas able to walk into a room and
I was qualified.
People trusted me.
I could do my job really well.
That was a little part of me.
But this new career that I have, where I decided to change, and
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it is really different.
It just feels like it's just me,my energy, what it is that I'm
here to do at this point in mylife and I think that that's one
of the points that I didn'trealize as a young woman was
that it's okay to change, andsometimes it's necessary, and
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the person that you are now isnot the person you are when you
were 30 or 20.
Catherine Gryba (16:09):
So we started this podcast by saying you went
through two changes, and the oneyou've just described is very
exciting actually to think ofwhat you went through and how
you did it, and it feels likeyou've really landed on your
feet and for anyone to say it'san extension of me and it's part
of my soul.
You know that's a place where Ithink we're all striving to get
(16:32):
to, so good for you.
Tell us about the other changethat you went through.
Lisa Rose (16:37):
The other change is more recent and it's not but one
that I chose right.
This was change that happenedto me.
So just very quickly, thebackground story is that in my
career as my new career, mysecond career in the healing
arts there was a point where theinternet became really good.
Tech became really good.
(16:57):
I used a lot of tech beforebecause I was working with
images right, sending imagesback and forth, but then video
became great.
This idea about creating onlinecourses, you know, emerge and
the tech did.
The tech got so much better andI was already living in three
places, so I wanted to change mybusiness to an online practice
where I could practice fromanywhere in the world.
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I had the travel bug and myhome exchange situation was
going great.
So that's what I was setting upand I was planning to move to
Europe.
I was specifically to Italy, onLake Como, for two years, so my
husband finally agreed, after heretired let's go and we'll make
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your dream come true, lisa,since you've been pretty much
following me around.
So we made that happen and fourweeks before we were ready to
leave, my husband had acatastrophic sudden accident at
home where his neck was broken.
He was found him practicallydead on the driveway.
(18:02):
Something happened in thegarage, you know.
His car ran over and drug himdown the driveway, broke his
neck, spinal cord injury.
My house was in the very endstages of being remodeled,
something he wanted to do beforewe were going to leave.
For two years I was sleeping ona mattress in my office on the
first floor Could not havehappened at a worse time
although that would be worse inany case and everything just
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came to a halt.
I had to unravel all of ourplans to move.
I had a friend that was goingto move into my house.
You know it was, I think I wasjust walking around in shock.
For the first two weeks.
We didn't know if he was goingto live or die.
For the first 10 days he canonly move his eyelashes and his
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fingertips.
I was ready to close on my housein Hawaii because our deal was
if we moved to Italy, I wasgoing to let go of the house in
Hawaii.
So all of it came crashing down, all of it.
I didn't know what I was goingto do.
I didn't even know anybody whoever had a deal with that.
I didn't know if I was going tohave a quadriplegic on my hands
.
I didn't know if I was going tobring them, I didn't know
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anything.
So that was really really,really hard and at the same time
, I didn't want that.
I didn't want any of that.
I didn't even want to negotiatethat.
I struggled against that.
You know how are you going tofix them Once you're going to be
fixed, how am I going to savehim?
What's this going to cost?
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You know I'll pay almostanything to get this fixed.
And at the same time, you knowhere's the hard part about that
is I was frustrated.
I would say I was also angry,right, I was also angry that my
dream was now squashed becauseof something that I didn't
decide, I didn't do.
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You know, I didn't set that up.
There wasn't anything that youcould cause.
That Was it at any end?
It was an accident.
It was.
You know it was an accident,but that was just so hard.
And then you feel guilty forfeeling that way, because you're
not the one with the brokenneck and ICU, you know.
So how do you deal withaccepting that you are having
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something happen into you thatisn't life threatening, and then
this other person is havingsomething, but it becomes very
suddenly you realize it becomesa we situation that's no longer
here.
It's a we situation.
We have a broken neck and we'reparalyzed and we have to figure
it out.
Peggie Koenig (20:32):
So, lisa, what were some of the things you did
to work through that anger andguilt?
Because those are very powerfulemotions and they can really
debilitate you.
Were there certain things thatyou did in order to help
yourself.
Well, it gets past that.
Lisa Rose (20:50):
Oh yes, almost immediately.
I the very first thing I saidto myself.
I think I was even looking atmyself in the mirror.
You know, for the pep talk Iwas like you're not going to
have any alcohol, you're notgoing that direction.
You're not even going to takean aspirin.
You're going to make sure thatyou have food to eat.
(21:13):
Because when you startunexpectedly caregiving your
self-care I've seen this happento others, but I witnessed it
with me Immediately you just putyourself on the back burner.
I didn't care about my own, Ididn't keep my own healthcare
appointments.
So the first thing I did, thevery first thing I did, was I
hired a massage therapist tocome to my house once a week so
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that I would be forced to lay ona table and not move for an
hour and have somebody's handson me Again.
I could afford that luxury.
All right, so that.
But that was the very firstthing.
I thought no, nothing that willaffect my brain, in case I've
got to make a really bigdecision.
I'm not going in that directionto deal, shall I say.
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I decided self-help, so I didthe massage.
I forced myself to find a fewminutes to meditate.
Twice a day I took long hotshowers and sometimes that
included my meditation time.
You know, when my friendsstarted delivering groceries, I
knew that and I could pull myshorts off with that and
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buttoning them, I knew that Iwasn't eating, taking care of
myself enough, so I startedaccepting their help.
I can't tell you how importantthis is Accept help from your
friends.
They're going to show up.
You'll be shocked underneath.
Shocked at who runs that youthought you could depend on and
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who shows up that you had noidea would be there for you.
That was one of the biggestlearning experiences I've had.
And one of my friends said tome Lisa, create a to-do list,
because people are going to askyou what they can do and in that
moment you don't want to haveto think about it or feel guilty
about what you're going to askthem to do.
Create the list, be honestabout it.
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If a score page is long, sowhat?
And then when they call and say, how can I help you?
Either give them the list orread things off the list and say
which of these can you committo doing for me?
Catherine Gryba (23:15):
And.
Lisa Rose (23:15):
I had three or four friends that showed up, cleared
their calendars and showed up totake things off that list.
I'm not kidding every day,because it was long.
I was remodeling the house, Ihad to unravel plans to move.
I had to negotiate everything asale of a house.
I had to worry about myhusband's health care and was he
getting the best or should Iswitch All of that?
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I had to do everything that hedoes for us when you're in a
marriage, which is a lot.
It was overwhelming.
So my friends came in to holdme and support me and actually
do the hard work.
Whatever it was, I'm able to dothis.
So I did it.
I ordered regular grocerydelivery, which didn't really
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cost me much more.
I hired someone to mow the lawnand take care of the garden.
I asked the neighbors kids totake out my trash cans.
I hired a house cleaner and Ithought, even if it's temporary,
just dip into whatever fundingI have and to get me through
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this until I can figure out whatI can do and what I can't do.
Eventually, my husband was inhospital the whole summer, after
going from ICU to hospital torehab hospital to 24 nursing
facility, and then finally Isaid just bring all the
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equipment here to the livingroom.
I cleaned out the living room.
I got the house finished enoughthat I could bring them all.
There was no place to put it.
They had to argue with thehospital about I don't have a
place for him and gee we want toget him out of here because we
need the bed.
There's all kinds of things toconsider, but in home care, I
said yes to in home care too,which was big.
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At that point I said bring themhome.
And I have to say I walked intothis.
My friend Maria said you haveto go to this store called
Adapt2It in Laguna Woods inCalifornia.
So they must have seen the lookon my face when I walked in,
just in shock and not knowinghow I'm going to do this.
And they looked at me and shesaid we know, we see this every
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day, know how to help you.
Why don't you come here to thecounter, tell me what's going on
, bring the list and we'll leadyou to what you need and what
you don't need.
You need a hospital day, youneed extra padding, you need
probably this, you need this,you need this.
And the list went on and on andon.
I'm telling you that was.
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And on the outside of thebuilding it says when you can't
change it, adapt to it.
And that, ok, ok, I'm sodisappointed I'm not in Lake
Como in Italy having my onlinepractice.
Now I'm at home.
But the caregiver I'm going todo this job really, really well.
Peggie Koenig (26:13):
There will be no stone unturned, all the research
, everything, that is, I think,like getting through a crisis
like that, when you're in crisismode and making promises to
yourself to take care ofyourself.
I think that was reallyimportant and finding the help
that you needed and leaning onyour friends, but moving to that
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place where you can say, nowI'm going to be the best at
doing this.
That had to be very difficult,like the resilience that it
would take to say, okay, italy'snot going to happen, right, and
this is my life.
How did you?
(26:57):
How did you sculpt that?
How did you do that?
Lisa Rose (27:01):
Well, I gave myself 10 to 20 minutes a day for my
own pity party.
Hey, I love that.
So I yeah, like for my own pityparty, sometimes I would do it
in the shower when the water wasrunning over me.
I would have a crying fest inthere and then that would be my
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time right.
Other times I have a studio, mystudio, here, I have my
practice up.
Have I just shut the door andtry to meditate and try to let
go of again anger and the anger,the frustration, the
disappointment, the.
You know why.
You know why me, I, you know.
I lined up everything perfectly.
(27:43):
You know I couldn't have doneanything better.
You know why.
You know why does this happen?
And I thought well, you know,at some point I just have to
accept that I can.
You know, everybody has changed.
Now I can remember my husband.
I told him his situation right,told him how bad it was, and I
was having one of those momentsand I had it in front of him.
I had it in front of him, whichI tried not to do, but I did.
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And he said to me Lisa, thereare people out there who have
real problems, god.
Peggie Koenig (28:16):
Reality check.
Lisa Rose (28:17):
Aw, this I'm going to recover from.
You need to get on board withthat and pull it together.
It was a little harsh.
And then I looked at him andthere he is and heads not even
attached to his body, except forthe neck brace, because he
didn't have a surgery yet,because he had an artery a small
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artery erupted His brain.
They're afraid he would have astroke if they did it.
So we had.
That's why we had to live allsummer like this and I thought,
you know, he's right, we'regoing to handle it, I can handle
it.
You know, yeah, this isdisappointing and I will do this
.
Well, and you know what?
This is just a chapter.
(28:59):
It's a chapter that I'm goingto learn.
I'm going to learn something inhere and, as I said at the
start of this, this isn't thebook I want to write.
This isn't the one I want toread.
It's not the experience I wantto go through.
I wish I didn't know as muchabout this topic as I do, and
here I am.
So I thought well, you know,this is this too is
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transformation and change, and Ihad gone through
transformations and changespreviously.
Some of them were really great,some of them a little bit more
challenging but this is anotherone and then I will try to find
how this will serve me and thenserve others beyond me.
(29:42):
I'll find a way.
Catherine Gryba (29:44):
You know, Lisa, just listening to your two very
different experiences, what I'mhearing you talk about is is
you picked areas where you hadcontrol, you know, when choosing
a change in your career, thatwas your choice.
You had control over whathappened and how you did.
(30:04):
It was, just you know, reallyinspirational.
But you also then took controlover your self-care and you then
took control over your approachto it.
Is I am going to be the best atthis, so is that right?
Was that whole taking controlof the parts that you could?
Was that really important inkind of both situations?
Lisa Rose (30:28):
Well, I think that when you have control, or you
choose to take control of yoursituation, there's an element of
calm.
It is a way to get peacefulabout it because now you're in
charge.
So I wasn't in charge of myhusband's situation, but I was
in charge of my situation.
So the other thing I wanted toadd about that in this change
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that I didn't want to havehappened, because I was
intuitive and I trusted myintuition, that really helped me
see some of the signs and Iwould say that I even attracted
to myself easy solutions Like,for example, my neighbor who I
don't really know that well kidswere helping me with the trash
(31:13):
cans came over to my door abouttwo weeks before Bob came home.
My husband came home and I hadto take care of him at home and
she knocked on my door and shesaid you know, I know you don't
know this about me, but I'm apsychologist and I work in rehab
facilities and here's my cardand you don't know this yet.
She said but you are going toneed to put him in a rehab
(31:37):
facility and when you get tothat point.
I want you to call me, becausewith my PhD I can get the
paperwork signed where I can gethim in any place that's
appropriate, and I can do thatfor you, right.
Peggie Koenig (31:49):
So that's just one example right how I felt
like.
Lisa Rose (31:52):
How did you know?
How did that happen?
I didn't even know what Ineeded.
Suddenly, that happened when Iwhen he was in ICU and I was
putting the finishing touches onselling my house in Hawaii, I
needed his signature and hishands were paralyzed and I
didn't want that deal to fallthrough.
I called my one of my friendsand this is within the first day
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or two of that situation.
I was in pretty bad shapementally.
I didn't know what was going on.
I was doing sanity checks withall my friends to help me and
she said I called my friendAlice, whose husband was an
attorney, and she said I'm anotary and this is a special
occasion.
I can give you my notary.
There's a process and you, allyou have to do is get a
stomachache.
(32:33):
You can do that, can't you?
And I'll walk you through it.
The things were just sort of itjust felt like magic was
happening all around to help me,and I believe it's because I'm
not sure how to say this.
I want to say my vibe is hot.
I feel like I can ask forthings from the universe that I
can get help, and so I asked forhelp and it will, it will show
(32:57):
up.
I remember reading that in oneof Sony's books called I think
it's called trust your guides,where you help will come, but
you got to ask for it.
So I thought, well, I don'tknow how this is happening but
I'm going to keep asking, and Ihad many examples like that and
I know it's not luck, it wasn't.
(33:20):
I'm not lucky, it's, it wouldnever happen, but I was able to
draw it to me and recognize itwhen it was coming.
Peggie Koenig (33:28):
It's quite fascinating to me, lisa, that
you went through this careerchange and you moved into
understanding your intuitiveside and energy right, and then
you find yourself in thispersonal situation, which is it
needs every piece of that to getyou through.
(33:48):
It's almost like first came Aand then came B, sort of like
how life evolved out for you, soit was very, very understanding
the energy and the intuitivereally helped you a lot.
I think getting through thiscrisis with your husband yes,
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and also that's that's why Ishare it.
Lisa Rose (34:14):
I have an intuition development course for women who
want to learn how to refine andstrengthen their own intuition.
I deal with transformation bytaking a look at their soul
records and saying, well, theseare some of the choices that the
soul made that could havecreated this particular
situation.
But mostly, I really believethat a lot of us are stuck in
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what I call supposed up supposedto do this, I'm supposed to do
that.
Sometimes I refer to it asliving in supposed to fail,
You're supposed to listen to thedoctor when they tell you that
he's probably not going to walkagain.
You're supposed to take thisdrug.
You're supposed to do it thisway, you're supposed to do it
that way.
And I left supposed a long timeago.
(34:59):
You know, as a young, as ayoung child, and that was kind
of difficult because you'rechallenged when you're not
willing to live in the box,particularly as a female right,
and you know exit is supposed tofor soul town.
So my soul is my pilot, myintuition is my daily guide.
It was only through a lot ofpractice and small baby steps
(35:24):
and trusting myself that I gotto the place when, when I really
needed that ability, I was ableto call on it and trust it, and
that happened at 60.
Catherine Gryba (35:38):
Lisa, I have to ask how's your husband today?
Lisa Rose (35:42):
He's best now.
He's better now.
He's the best he's been in fouryears.
So thank you for asking thelong road, though.
So, yeah, yeah, that's really.
That's difficult to come backfrom something like that.
There are leftover residualhealth issues that will never be
gone as a result of that, youknow.
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But he's on his feet.
He's driving, no drugs for pain.
His gate, his gates a littleoff, because when you fix your
neck, you know you can't swinglike him.
He doesn't play tennis, hedoesn't ski, he doesn't go in
the water anymore.
But, like me, he decided thathe was going to adapt and go
(36:24):
through the change and find joyin other ways.
Catherine Gryba (36:28):
Well, thank you so much for sharing your
stories with us and, as Peggysaid, it's amazing how they
started off as two stories, butthey really are one, aren't they
?
They're it's your life story,and it's interesting how the
universe gave to you firstsomething you needed in order to
deal with the next thing it wasthrowing your way.
Lisa Rose (36:51):
It's a wonderful observation.
I'm not sure that I saw thatinitially myself, until you just
said it.
Peggie Koenig (37:04):
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Welcome to.
So you Want to Move to theCountry and Raise Goats?
This is a podcast about change.
Change is all around us andsometimes we're ready for it and
sometimes we're not.
When it overwhelms us, well, wejust want to move to the
country and raise goats.
This podcast features storiesfrom people who have gone
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through change.
We hope that their insightswill help you better understand
and deal with the changes inyour life.
I'm Peggie Koenig and, alongwith my co-host, Catherine Gryba
, we chat with insightful peoplewith interesting change stories
.
We hope you enjoy our podcast.
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Lisa Roslideski had two lifetransformations.
One was planned and controlled,and the other happened when her
life was turned upside down,when her husband was in a
serious accident.
Lisa talks about achieving anelement of calm when you take
control over parts of changethat you can't control.
She challenges us to trust ourintuition and get out of
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Supposed toville, where a lot ofus live.
Well, today we are welcomingLisa Rose Lideski, from
California, to the podcast.
Hi, lisa Rose.
Hello.
Now, you and I we first met Iguess we have never really met
face to face, but we met in awriter's community when you
(01:27):
reached out to me and said hmm,I have a couple of stories of
life transformations that youmight be interested in hearing,
so I'm delighted that you'rehere to share those today.
And two stories, two stories oftransformation.
So would you like to just startright there and just tell us
where that all came from, whathappened to you and what was the
(01:51):
change in transformation?
Lisa Rose (01:53):
All right.
So I've had two very differentchanges that I wanted to share.
One is from my professionallife, where I completely changed
careers, and I did that at age50.
And at age 50 in my career, Iwas a private art dealer and art
consultant.
You know, fine art appraiser, acurator.
(02:14):
I was in the fine arts industry, fine arts realm loved it,
loved it, loved it, did.
Well, that's what my graduatedegrees in, that's how people
know me, that's why they wouldtake my phone call and it was
wonderful.
And around age 15, two thingshappened.
I had checked off everything onmy to-do list for my career.
(02:36):
Everything I wanted toaccomplish I was able to
accomplish.
At that point I was very, veryhappy.
And the other was in the US.
Anyway, there was a bigrecession that was coming.
You know, around that timeperiod, 2007 to 2010,.
You know it started in thecommercial sector and then it
became across the nation and atthat point even my billionaire
(03:01):
clients were saying things likeit looks really bad if we buy
art now.
Lisa.
So I knew that my business wasnot going to do well and I had
to make a choice at that point.
Either I could continue tospend money on my business,
keeping it present, keeping itafloat without an income stream,
or I could say you know, I'vedone pretty much everything that
(03:24):
I've wanted to do here.
Now I'm going to turn 50.
Now would be a time to consideran exit plan.
Catherine Gryba (03:32):
It's really interesting that those things
happen at the same time that yousaid you know I've done
everything I really wanted toaccomplish and it sounded like
you were okay and ready for achange, and at the same time,
jesus recession.
So why not Interesting how thathappened at the same time?
Lisa Rose (03:53):
Exactly.
So that was a change that I wasthinking about and decided to
choose for myself, but then thedifficult part was okay, now
what?
Catherine Gryba (04:05):
What next.
Lisa Rose (04:07):
This is this.
I had a little identity crisis.
To tell you the truth, I was alittle concerned of who am I now
?
What do I want?
Do I want something similar ordo I want something completely
different?
Now I came to a place ofprivilege where I did so well
that I could buy myself sometime and float and think about
(04:28):
what I wanted, and still mybills were paid Right.
So I just want to qualify myexperience that way.
I was able to take off a couple, took off a year to think about
it.
Peggie Koenig (04:40):
So what was that process like?
Because I think a lot of peopleyou know they not a lot, but
the people that do go throughcareer change and, as you say,
it's an identity crisis, Right,what are?
What were some of the thingsyou did that would help you move
along or become enlightened asto what the next path was going
(05:00):
to be?
Lisa Rose (05:02):
I chose to travel because I believe that travels
the great teacher.
And I chose to travel mostlyalone.
I'm married but I'm a very Ihave a very contemporary
marriage.
So he said, and I decided, thatI would do home exchange.
I would exchange my home.
(05:22):
I had a home in Hawaii and ahome in California.
So I decided that I wouldexchange my home in Hawaii for
homes in Europe and I thoughtI'll do that for a little while
and I'll go by myself and figureout who.
Who am I now?
Who am I now without having tomake concessions in a
relationship or in a business?
(05:43):
You know, what is it that Iwant?
Can I?
Can I get quiet enough ordistracted enough to be able to
hear my inner voice?
And what is it calling me to donext?
So that was one.
One choice that I made was toreally change up my situation,
my living situation.
(06:04):
So I would bounce from Hawaiito California, to Europe, to
California to Hawaii, to that.
I did that.
I thought it was going to befor a year and it ended up being
.
It ended up being for 10 yearstotal.
But the first two years I wastrying to figure out my next
step.
So the second year I feltcalled to do some training or
(06:29):
some research into somethingthat I dabbled in as a young
woman and that was intuition,development, spirituality,
energy, work.
And so I took that second yearto find a teacher to study and I
I here was the big changingpoint for me is I went into a
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bookstore.
I was looking in themetaphysical section of the book
or the travel section those aremy two favorite sections and
I'm in the metaphysical sectionand I am by myself.
Right, it's like Mondayafternoon there's nobody in our
by myself in this aisle and Iwas thinking, what am I going to
do next?
And I heard a book drop off theshelf behind me and I thought,
(07:15):
I thought maybe somebody wasbehind me.
So I turned around and I sawthis book on the floor.
I picked it up.
It was a book called Trust yourVives by Sonya Schoket Never
heard of her.
Put the book back on the shelf,turn around and the book
dropped again.
Catherine Gryba (07:27):
Oh, my God.
Lisa Rose (07:28):
And the hair on the back of my neck went up and my
hair on my arms was raised.
And I knew, because I wasintuitive since a child.
I knew that this was the momentthat my entire life was about
to change, and neither I was forit or I was going to run out of
the aisle, out the door to mycar, and so I picked up the book
(07:51):
same book, by the way, samebook so I thought okay.
I'm going to read you cover tocover.
It was a Friday, it was aTuesday afternoon.
We read you cover to cover.
By Friday I had called Fanzoneto show Kat and I called her
office in Chicago.
I said you know, I just readyour book.
I said to her assistant she'smy teacher, can she be my mentor
?
How does this work?
(08:11):
And they said you know, she'sstarting a class next week in
Chicago on professionalintuition development.
There's one ticket left and itwas so expensive for me, it was
like I was like so expensive, itwas going to cost me thousands
of dollars and I just said yesand a plane ticket.
And I cleared my calendar and ahotel and I went because I knew.
(08:34):
I knew that I had found my pathforward and I trusted.
I trusted that intuition, eventhough it seemed irrational and
ridiculous to me to be doing itlike that.
I usually want confirmation ora synchronicity or something,
but I didn't do it that time.
I'm like no, this is it.
Catherine Gryba (08:55):
But, lisa, you had such a discipline to know
that you needed to quietyourself before you made any
decisions and I think for manyof us going through change, we
feel such a pressure, a rush tomake a decision and while you
had the luxury I'll say it, theluxury of taking the time off, I
(09:18):
do think that's reallyimportant for us to think about
somehow finding that quiet spacein our life to think about it
or to not think about it andjust be quiet.
I think that's just soinsightful.
Lisa Rose (09:34):
I call it a sacred pause.
I call that a sacred pause whenyou feel the change coming, or
you want change, or your desireand change, but you're not quite
sure yet what the next step isor where you're going to go.
Think of it as a sacred pauseand I like to use the oh, let's
(09:54):
say.
I guess it would be a metaphor.
Maybe it's an analogy ofsurfing.
You know, if you're surfing,there's a time when the waves
become flat and the big wavealready went and the next wave
didn't come, and you're in apause and in that pause
everything is possible.
You can get out of the water,you can go deeper, you can take
the wave.
You can not take the wave.
You can see what's coming.
(10:15):
You have a better perspectivefrom the beach all the way out
to the sea.
And I often use that as anexample and say don't be afraid,
don't be too quick, don't betoo quick to paddle out, just
have a good look at yourself,your situation, possibility.
It's also a great time to justsort of.
It doesn't cost anything to doyour homework, like I was in the
(10:38):
bookstore cruising throughbooks for free.
It's like a library to see whatis it.
I'm looking for a sign.
I was looking for something.
I wasn't really quite trustingmy inner voice yet.
I wanted something to tell mewhere to go next and what to do,
what to think about.
And that book flew off theshelf and that pretty much did
it for me.
Catherine Gryba (10:57):
You got a repeated sign that fell off
twice.
Lisa Rose (11:00):
I got the sign and then I got this confirmation and
the synchronization all at once.
But, that was a big moment.
I was scared.
I thought what are people goingto think?
What are the people going tothink when I say I'm going to be
a psychic?
I'm actually in tuitiondevelopment and I do soul
coaching, which is differentPeople's soul records and help
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them through transformation andfigure out who they really are.
Catherine Gryba (11:26):
And so that's what you're doing now, is it?
You transitioned into a newcareer.
Lisa Rose (11:31):
Yes, that's what I do now.
But I sort of settled there.
I started out as a Reiki master.
I started studying Reiki, reikienergy.
Someone basically used me astheir demo when they were
studying Reiki and it felt sogood, it was so wonderful and I
thought what is this?
And I studied and I think Ihave six levels, I'm a Reiki
(11:55):
master three different times andthen from there I knew that I
wanted to professionally gettraining for intuition
development.
So I was intuitive as a childbut I really didn't know.
I know what was going on.
I didn't know how to work withit.
I didn't know how to protect myown energy, things like that.
Peggie Koenig (12:16):
What exactly is an intuitive Lisa?
Lisa Rose (12:20):
Well, your body is your intuitive instrument, so
everybody's intuitive, whetheryou know it or not, or like it
or not.
When you strengthen it, you cando more with it, but what it is
, it's being able to sense,interpret and take action on
vibration.
It's vibration, energeticvibration that's hitting your
body, it's hitting your body allthe time, and your instrument
(12:43):
is your body, and your body andit's intuitive state knows which
of those energies or vibrationsit needs to pay attention to.
And it can be refined, it canbe strengthened, it can be used,
and then it can be usedprofessionally.
Peggie Koenig (12:59):
So what did all of I mean?
This is a big change.
You were in the art world, youwere a praising art, you were an
art dealer, and it's a bigchange to move into the
direction that you did.
What did your past colleaguesand connections think of this?
Did they Was that, Did theyaccept that or did they know
(13:22):
about it?
Lisa Rose (13:23):
Yes, so most of my colleagues and artists that I
worked with.
They thought it was interestingto go from the fine arts to the
healing arts.
They were primarily supportivebut curious.
My husband, who is a scientist,I'm not sure he understood any
(13:47):
of it, but I remember he said tome so what do we do now?
We're going to get a tent and acrystal ball and we're going to
set you up at festivals, or youknow.
So he was all in, even thoughhe didn't understand what it was
.
Thankfully my mother didn'tunderstand it at all.
Catherine Gryba (14:04):
So I'm curious, going back to the identity
crisis, because you know yousaid as an art dealer, people
picked up the phone, I calledand your identity was tied to
that.
How much is your identity tiedto you being an intuition coach
or through this whole change,has your identity been more
(14:27):
around?
It's Lisa, and not so much onwhat I do.
I'm really interested in whatyour identity, what it feels
like now.
Lisa Rose (14:35):
Actually, my practice and my business feels like a
natural extension of me, lisa,where when I was a private art
dealer, that's something I wasextremely interested in.
I was very good at it.
It was something that I did anddid really well and I loved it.
(14:56):
I'm not sure that it was anextension for me, because where
I'm operating from now is frommy soul.
My soul is expressing itself.
I create and offer what it isthat I can share that helps
others transform.
So when I've learned aboutmyself and what I'm able to do,
(15:17):
what my gifts are, let's say, myqualities, my abilities all
that it's now for the benefit ofothers beyond myself, my
education.
When I was an art dealer, itwas benefiting me.
I was able to get the job, Iwas able to walk into a room and
I was qualified.
People trusted me.
I could do my job really well.
That was a little part of me.
But this new career that I have, where I decided to change, and
(15:39):
it is really different.
It just feels like it's just me,my energy, what it is that I'm
here to do at this point in mylife and I think that that's one
of the points that I didn'trealize as a young woman was
that it's okay to change, andsometimes it's necessary, and
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the person that you are now isnot the person you are when you
were 30 or 20.
Catherine Gryba (16:09):
So we started this podcast by saying you went
through two changes, and the oneyou've just described is very
exciting actually to think ofwhat you went through and how
you did it, and it feels likeyou've really landed on your
feet and for anyone to say it'san extension of me and it's part
of my soul.
You know that's a place where Ithink we're all striving to get
(16:32):
to, so good for you.
Tell us about the other changethat you went through.
Lisa Rose (16:37):
The other change is more recent and it's not but one
that I chose right.
This was change that happenedto me.
So just very quickly, thebackground story is that in my
career as my new career, mysecond career in the healing
arts there was a point where theinternet became really good.
Tech became really good.
(16:57):
I used a lot of tech beforebecause I was working with
images right, sending imagesback and forth, but then video
became great.
This idea about creating onlinecourses, you know, emerge and
the tech did.
The tech got so much better andI was already living in three
places, so I wanted to change mybusiness to an online practice
where I could practice fromanywhere in the world.
(17:18):
I had the travel bug and myhome exchange situation was
going great.
So that's what I was setting upand I was planning to move to
Europe.
I was specifically to Italy, onLake Como, for two years, so my
husband finally agreed, after heretired let's go and we'll make
(17:38):
your dream come true, lisa,since you've been pretty much
following me around.
So we made that happen and fourweeks before we were ready to
leave, my husband had acatastrophic sudden accident at
home where his neck was broken.
He was found him practicallydead on the driveway.
(18:02):
Something happened in thegarage, you know.
His car ran over and drug himdown the driveway, broke his
neck, spinal cord injury.
My house was in the very endstages of being remodeled,
something he wanted to do beforewe were going to leave.
For two years I was sleeping ona mattress in my office on the
first floor Could not havehappened at a worse time
although that would be worse inany case and everything just
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came to a halt.
I had to unravel all of ourplans to move.
I had a friend that was goingto move into my house.
You know it was, I think I wasjust walking around in shock.
For the first two weeks.
We didn't know if he was goingto live or die.
For the first 10 days he canonly move his eyelashes and his
(18:47):
fingertips.
I was ready to close on my housein Hawaii because our deal was
if we moved to Italy, I wasgoing to let go of the house in
Hawaii.
So all of it came crashing down, all of it.
I didn't know what I was goingto do.
I didn't even know anybody whoever had a deal with that.
I didn't know if I was going tohave a quadriplegic on my hands
.
I didn't know if I was going tobring them, I didn't know
(19:09):
anything.
So that was really really,really hard and at the same time
, I didn't want that.
I didn't want any of that.
I didn't even want to negotiatethat.
I struggled against that.
You know how are you going tofix them Once you're going to be
fixed, how am I going to savehim?
What's this going to cost?
(19:30):
You know I'll pay almostanything to get this fixed.
And at the same time, you knowhere's the hard part about that
is I was frustrated.
I would say I was also angry,right, I was also angry that my
dream was now squashed becauseof something that I didn't
decide, I didn't do.
(19:50):
You know, I didn't set that up.
There wasn't anything that youcould cause.
That Was it at any end?
It was an accident.
It was.
You know it was an accident,but that was just so hard.
And then you feel guilty forfeeling that way, because you're
not the one with the brokenneck and ICU, you know.
So how do you deal withaccepting that you are having
(20:11):
something happen into you thatisn't life threatening, and then
this other person is havingsomething, but it becomes very
suddenly you realize it becomesa we situation that's no longer
here.
It's a we situation.
We have a broken neck and we'reparalyzed and we have to figure
it out.
Peggie Koenig (20:32):
So, lisa, what were some of the things you did
to work through that anger andguilt?
Because those are very powerfulemotions and they can really
debilitate you.
Were there certain things thatyou did in order to help
yourself.
Well, it gets past that.
Lisa Rose (20:50):
Oh yes, almost immediately.
I the very first thing I saidto myself.
I think I was even looking atmyself in the mirror.
You know, for the pep talk Iwas like you're not going to
have any alcohol, you're notgoing that direction.
You're not even going to takean aspirin.
You're going to make sure thatyou have food to eat.
(21:13):
Because when you startunexpectedly caregiving your
self-care I've seen this happento others, but I witnessed it
with me Immediately you just putyourself on the back burner.
I didn't care about my own, Ididn't keep my own healthcare
appointments.
So the first thing I did, thevery first thing I did, was I
hired a massage therapist tocome to my house once a week so
(21:34):
that I would be forced to lay ona table and not move for an
hour and have somebody's handson me Again.
I could afford that luxury.
All right, so that.
But that was the very firstthing.
I thought no, nothing that willaffect my brain, in case I've
got to make a really bigdecision.
I'm not going in that directionto deal, shall I say.
(21:56):
I decided self-help, so I didthe massage.
I forced myself to find a fewminutes to meditate.
Twice a day I took long hotshowers and sometimes that
included my meditation time.
You know, when my friendsstarted delivering groceries, I
knew that and I could pull myshorts off with that and
(22:18):
buttoning them, I knew that Iwasn't eating, taking care of
myself enough, so I startedaccepting their help.
I can't tell you how importantthis is Accept help from your
friends.
They're going to show up.
You'll be shocked underneath.
Shocked at who runs that youthought you could depend on and
(22:41):
who shows up that you had noidea would be there for you.
That was one of the biggestlearning experiences I've had.
And one of my friends said tome Lisa, create a to-do list,
because people are going to askyou what they can do and in that
moment you don't want to haveto think about it or feel guilty
about what you're going to askthem to do.
Create the list, be honestabout it.
(23:02):
If a score page is long, sowhat?
And then when they call and say, how can I help you?
Either give them the list orread things off the list and say
which of these can you committo doing for me?
Catherine Gryba (23:15):
And.
Lisa Rose (23:15):
I had three or four friends that showed up, cleared
their calendars and showed up totake things off that list.
I'm not kidding every day,because it was long.
I was remodeling the house, Ihad to unravel plans to move.
I had to negotiate everything asale of a house.
I had to worry about myhusband's health care and was he
getting the best or should Iswitch All of that?
(23:36):
I had to do everything that hedoes for us when you're in a
marriage, which is a lot.
It was overwhelming.
So my friends came in to holdme and support me and actually
do the hard work.
Whatever it was, I'm able to dothis.
So I did it.
I ordered regular grocerydelivery, which didn't really
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cost me much more.
I hired someone to mow the lawnand take care of the garden.
I asked the neighbors kids totake out my trash cans.
I hired a house cleaner and Ithought, even if it's temporary,
just dip into whatever fundingI have and to get me through
(24:19):
this until I can figure out whatI can do and what I can't do.
Eventually, my husband was inhospital the whole summer, after
going from ICU to hospital torehab hospital to 24 nursing
facility, and then finally Isaid just bring all the
(24:39):
equipment here to the livingroom.
I cleaned out the living room.
I got the house finished enoughthat I could bring them all.
There was no place to put it.
They had to argue with thehospital about I don't have a
place for him and gee we want toget him out of here because we
need the bed.
There's all kinds of things toconsider, but in home care, I
said yes to in home care too,which was big.
(25:00):
At that point I said bring themhome.
And I have to say I walked intothis.
My friend Maria said you haveto go to this store called
Adapt2It in Laguna Woods inCalifornia.
So they must have seen the lookon my face when I walked in,
just in shock and not knowinghow I'm going to do this.
And they looked at me and shesaid we know, we see this every
(25:25):
day, know how to help you.
Why don't you come here to thecounter, tell me what's going on
, bring the list and we'll leadyou to what you need and what
you don't need.
You need a hospital day, youneed extra padding, you need
probably this, you need this,you need this.
And the list went on and on andon.
I'm telling you that was.
(25:47):
And on the outside of thebuilding it says when you can't
change it, adapt to it.
And that, ok, ok, I'm sodisappointed I'm not in Lake
Como in Italy having my onlinepractice.
Now I'm at home.
But the caregiver I'm going todo this job really, really well.
Peggie Koenig (26:13):
There will be no stone unturned, all the research
, everything, that is, I think,like getting through a crisis
like that, when you're in crisismode and making promises to
yourself to take care ofyourself.
I think that was reallyimportant and finding the help
that you needed and leaning onyour friends, but moving to that
(26:36):
place where you can say, nowI'm going to be the best at
doing this.
That had to be very difficult,like the resilience that it
would take to say, okay, italy'snot going to happen, right, and
this is my life.
How did you?
(26:57):
How did you sculpt that?
How did you do that?
Lisa Rose (27:01):
Well, I gave myself 10 to 20 minutes a day for my
own pity party.
Hey, I love that.
So I yeah, like for my own pityparty, sometimes I would do it
in the shower when the water wasrunning over me.
I would have a crying fest inthere and then that would be my
(27:22):
time right.
Other times I have a studio, mystudio, here, I have my
practice up.
Have I just shut the door andtry to meditate and try to let
go of again anger and the anger,the frustration, the
disappointment, the.
You know why.
You know why me, I, you know.
I lined up everything perfectly.
(27:43):
You know I couldn't have doneanything better.
You know why.
You know why does this happen?
And I thought well, you know,at some point I just have to
accept that I can.
You know, everybody has changed.
Now I can remember my husband.
I told him his situation right,told him how bad it was, and I
was having one of those momentsand I had it in front of him.
I had it in front of him, whichI tried not to do, but I did.
(28:07):
And he said to me Lisa, thereare people out there who have
real problems, god.
Peggie Koenig (28:16):
Reality check.
Lisa Rose (28:17):
Aw, this I'm going to recover from.
You need to get on board withthat and pull it together.
It was a little harsh.
And then I looked at him andthere he is and heads not even
attached to his body, except forthe neck brace, because he
didn't have a surgery yet,because he had an artery a small
(28:38):
artery erupted His brain.
They're afraid he would have astroke if they did it.
So we had.
That's why we had to live allsummer like this and I thought,
you know, he's right, we'regoing to handle it, I can handle
it.
You know, yeah, this isdisappointing and I will do this
.
Well, and you know what?
This is just a chapter.
(28:59):
It's a chapter that I'm goingto learn.
I'm going to learn something inhere and, as I said at the
start of this, this isn't thebook I want to write.
This isn't the one I want toread.
It's not the experience I wantto go through.
I wish I didn't know as muchabout this topic as I do, and
here I am.
So I thought well, you know,this is this too is
(29:20):
transformation and change, and Ihad gone through
transformations and changespreviously.
Some of them were really great,some of them a little bit more
challenging but this is anotherone and then I will try to find
how this will serve me and thenserve others beyond me.
(29:42):
I'll find a way.
Catherine Gryba (29:44):
You know, Lisa, just listening to your two very
different experiences, what I'mhearing you talk about is is
you picked areas where you hadcontrol, you know, when choosing
a change in your career, thatwas your choice.
You had control over whathappened and how you did.
(30:04):
It was, just you know, reallyinspirational.
But you also then took controlover your self-care and you then
took control over your approachto it.
Is I am going to be the best atthis, so is that right?
Was that whole taking controlof the parts that you could?
Was that really important inkind of both situations?
Lisa Rose (30:28):
Well, I think that when you have control, or you
choose to take control of yoursituation, there's an element of
calm.
It is a way to get peacefulabout it because now you're in
charge.
So I wasn't in charge of myhusband's situation, but I was
in charge of my situation.
So the other thing I wanted toadd about that in this change
(30:51):
that I didn't want to havehappened, because I was
intuitive and I trusted myintuition, that really helped me
see some of the signs and Iwould say that I even attracted
to myself easy solutions Like,for example, my neighbor who I
don't really know that well kidswere helping me with the trash
(31:13):
cans came over to my door abouttwo weeks before Bob came home.
My husband came home and I hadto take care of him at home and
she knocked on my door and shesaid you know, I know you don't
know this about me, but I'm apsychologist and I work in rehab
facilities and here's my cardand you don't know this yet.
She said but you are going toneed to put him in a rehab
(31:37):
facility and when you get tothat point.
I want you to call me, becausewith my PhD I can get the
paperwork signed where I can gethim in any place that's
appropriate, and I can do thatfor you, right.
Peggie Koenig (31:49):
So that's just one example right how I felt
like.
Lisa Rose (31:52):
How did you know?
How did that happen?
I didn't even know what Ineeded.
Suddenly, that happened when Iwhen he was in ICU and I was
putting the finishing touches onselling my house in Hawaii, I
needed his signature and hishands were paralyzed and I
didn't want that deal to fallthrough.
I called my one of my friendsand this is within the first day
(32:12):
or two of that situation.
I was in pretty bad shapementally.
I didn't know what was going on.
I was doing sanity checks withall my friends to help me and
she said I called my friendAlice, whose husband was an
attorney, and she said I'm anotary and this is a special
occasion.
I can give you my notary.
There's a process and you, allyou have to do is get a
stomachache.
(32:33):
You can do that, can't you?
And I'll walk you through it.
The things were just sort of itjust felt like magic was
happening all around to help me,and I believe it's because I'm
not sure how to say this.
I want to say my vibe is hot.
I feel like I can ask forthings from the universe that I
can get help, and so I asked forhelp and it will, it will show
(32:57):
up.
I remember reading that in oneof Sony's books called I think
it's called trust your guides,where you help will come, but
you got to ask for it.
So I thought, well, I don'tknow how this is happening but
I'm going to keep asking, and Ihad many examples like that and
I know it's not luck, it wasn't.
(33:20):
I'm not lucky, it's, it wouldnever happen, but I was able to
draw it to me and recognize itwhen it was coming.
Peggie Koenig (33:28):
It's quite fascinating to me, lisa, that
you went through this careerchange and you moved into
understanding your intuitiveside and energy right, and then
you find yourself in thispersonal situation, which is it
needs every piece of that to getyou through.
(33:48):
It's almost like first came Aand then came B, sort of like
how life evolved out for you, soit was very, very understanding
the energy and the intuitivereally helped you a lot.
I think getting through thiscrisis with your husband yes,
(34:11):
and also that's that's why Ishare it.
Lisa Rose (34:14):
I have an intuition development course for women who
want to learn how to refine andstrengthen their own intuition.
I deal with transformation bytaking a look at their soul
records and saying, well, theseare some of the choices that the
soul made that could havecreated this particular
situation.
But mostly, I really believethat a lot of us are stuck in
(34:37):
what I call supposed up supposedto do this, I'm supposed to do
that.
Sometimes I refer to it asliving in supposed to fail,
You're supposed to listen to thedoctor when they tell you that
he's probably not going to walkagain.
You're supposed to take thisdrug.
You're supposed to do it thisway, you're supposed to do it
that way.
And I left supposed a long timeago.
(34:59):
You know, as a young, as ayoung child, and that was kind
of difficult because you'rechallenged when you're not
willing to live in the box,particularly as a female right,
and you know exit is supposed tofor soul town.
So my soul is my pilot, myintuition is my daily guide.
It was only through a lot ofpractice and small baby steps
(35:24):
and trusting myself that I gotto the place when, when I really
needed that ability, I was ableto call on it and trust it, and
that happened at 60.
Catherine Gryba (35:38):
Lisa, I have to ask how's your husband today?
Lisa Rose (35:42):
He's best now.
He's better now.
He's the best he's been in fouryears.
So thank you for asking thelong road, though.
So, yeah, yeah, that's really.
That's difficult to come backfrom something like that.
There are leftover residualhealth issues that will never be
gone as a result of that, youknow.
(36:02):
But he's on his feet.
He's driving, no drugs for pain.
His gate, his gates a littleoff, because when you fix your
neck, you know you can't swinglike him.
He doesn't play tennis, hedoesn't ski, he doesn't go in
the water anymore.
But, like me, he decided thathe was going to adapt and go
(36:24):
through the change and find joyin other ways.
Catherine Gryba (36:28):
Well, thank you so much for sharing your
stories with us and, as Peggysaid, it's amazing how they
started off as two stories, butthey really are one, aren't they
?
They're it's your life story,and it's interesting how the
universe gave to you firstsomething you needed in order to
deal with the next thing it wasthrowing your way.
Lisa Rose (36:51):
It's a wonderful observation.
I'm not sure that I saw thatinitially myself, until you just
said it.
Peggie Koenig (37:04):
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This episode recorded via ZoomAudio producers Peggy Kahnik and
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