138 - Brayden Galbraith - No Excuses, Just Finish - Getting After It

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know, yeah, something really easy.
I mean that would be sick atsome point.
That was like I saw somethingon Canva and was like, oh you
know, I can make that the logo.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
But that's just more of like a cool design.
That's dope too, I just noticedthat you have it good.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, it's the same thing I got tattooed there.
Yeah, man.
Well, yeah, we're rolling.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We could jump into it at any time right just, yeah,
dude, going right into the fire,fair enough, but um, brayden
man, thanks for thanks forcoming on.
Yeah, dude, I'm I'm honored,seriously, it's like the most
regular dude, so not at all.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I am.
I met you last year in theragnar.
We ran the ragnar together,yeah, and there was something
like don't know about our groupor whatever, but like we were
all gung-ho to always keeprunning.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
First place, dude.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
We did get first place in corporate.
Let's go Forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
That is a good asterisk to put in there,
because corporate division isn'tsuper stacked.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
We did beat the Harry Potter Club, though.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh, dude, we did beat the harry potter club though.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh dude, so that was good for our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
We were gonna beat harry potter.
Oh yeah, that was likegriffindor.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Whatever they were, yeah, griffindor yeah, man, I
mean, that was like my firsttime I ever met you, yeah, and
like your attitude the wholetime was like all right, I got
more, like I got another sixmiles, whatever, um, and then
like you were just a positivedude the whole time.
Um, I think that goes a longway, especially in running, oh
yeah.
But yeah, um, that was my, myfirst time I ever got to meet

(01:33):
you, so yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So there's like what?
24 hours in a van and like notto be dramatic, but I feel like
you're my brother now.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Seriously Like it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I don't know.
I've always like seen theRagnar stickers on the back of
people's cars and stuff and I'mjust like whatever that's so
overdone.
But then it's like we did itand our van specifically pushed
so hard it was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I was like you know what that was like.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
call it trauma bonding or something.
Yeah, no, All thing yeah, no,it's um all you guys parker,
like teanu, and yeah, that was asuch a good run dude.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It really was fun, man, it was like I, I remember,
um, I think you were in the vanwith parker and I when we were
trying to sleep.
You were like in the front rowor something like that, yeah,
and we're both pretty tall, soit's like we're just crammed in
this thing, man.
But like that really is, it isum, it's just shared suffering
together oh yeah um, do you knowwhat chris williamson is?

(02:27):
you heard of that guy I'm notsure I'll talk my head so he's a
podcaster, okay, but he talksabout this thing called chosen
versus unchosen suffering, andchosen suffering helps, like you
know, get you through the hardtimes where you don't get to
choose the suffering that lifeputs upon you.
Uh, and that's definitely atime where it was like you
literally choose to suffer for24 hours, yeah, literally you

(02:50):
pay for this thing.
We all pay for the van but, man, it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I've heard that concept the chosen versus yeah
yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So I don't know.
I mean, I really think that istrue.
Um, you know, it's nothing likethe guys who fight overseas,
but they all say the same thing,like different lifestyles,
different um parts of life.
They all come together and bythe end of it, they're brothers
yeah, so no kidding it is coolthough, but yeah, man, I um I
just love what you're doing.
I think it's awesome.
Thanks, you might think you'redoing yeah, well, I appreciate

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that.
But, like you know, you mightthink you're a regular guy, but
I think to other people it'slike dang Braden's doing some
cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, when did that all start?
How'd you get into enduranceand running and the whole
journey?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Fear, honestly, is the long and short.
I don't know why, but I turned29.
And I'm going to age myself.
I'm old now, but I turned why?
But I turned 29 and I'm gonnaage myself.
I'm old now, but I turned.
I turned 29 a few years backand something about that
birthday just like hit me like aton of bricks.
I was like I'm gonna be 30 nextyear yeah and like I wasn't, you
know, happy with mostly justphysically.

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I think you know life's beengoing pretty good for a while
but like physically I was justnot it I hadn't done anything.
I'd been in and out of the gym,you know, as long as I hadn't.
But like, physically, I wasjust not it.
I hadn't done anything, I'dbeen in and out of the gym, you
know, as long as I hadn't tornmy shoulder.
It was just like this cycle ofnot doing anything physically
and now I've got like two kidsyeah and it's like I don't want
to be this dad who can't doanything yeah

(04:21):
you know, and I don't want toturn 30 and not be able to run a
mile without like passing out,and so it, it literally just
started at 29.
I was like you know what?
I got to do something.
So I talked to some buddies andwe decided on a Tough Mudder
out in Colorado.
So we flew out to Denver to doa Tough Mudder and we were
deciding on, like, the distancethey had I can't remember

(04:41):
exactly two or three distancechoices and I was like, and I
granted, you know, out of shape,no, no reason to do this, but I
was like, let's do the hardestone because I knew, knowing
myself, I knew I would try tofake it yeah I was like, if we
just do like the 5k, I'm gonnafake that.
Like I won't train for it, blah,blah, I'll fake it.

(05:02):
I was like, I know, if we goand do the hard which I think it
was only like a, I say only now, at the time it was so long.
But it was a 15 K, I believe,is what it turned out to be.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's around like what ?
Almost nine miles or something.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Nine and some change and I was like I know I can't
fake that, like I might be ableto get through it in like six
hours or something, but likethat would suck.
So I was like let's do the bigone so that we have to like
actually commit, yeah, andthat's kind of been like you

(05:37):
know the long and short that'sthe story of like how the rest
of it happened is like I know ifI choose something hard enough,
I'm going to have to commitCause I and kudos to the guys
who do show up.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
and what are?
The raw dog events.
Like that's great.
Yeah, I mean it's cool.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
But hard pass for me.
Yeah, I'm not into it.
I want to show up knowing that,like I tried, I did my best to
put the work in yeah, and sothat's why it's like I've always
tried to continue to choosethings.
That's like I know I'm gonnahave to put work in to do that,
because I don't want to show upin raw dog things like that's
like low-key, miserable yeah,absolutely like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I can't imagine.
I am the furthest I've ran is a50k same?
And if someone was like, hey,you want to run 100 miles this
weekend, I'd be like not achance, I'm not ready for that
at all yeah and like gogginswould be like you can do it.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, goggins would be like, but don't be baby.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's like no, I don't that.
That just sounds horrible.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right, I want to put in the work beforehand and
honestly, that's where a lot ofthe joy is found.
For me is beforehand.
Honestly, a lot of races kindof suck.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's like the starting gun to the finish line
is just suck.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Everybody's like enjoy the race, smile, whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I'm like dude, I'm suffering so bad.
It's like I'm going for speedon this one.
I'm not gonna be able tobreathe the entire time.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I had my most fun race in buffalo, new york, a few
weeks ago and it was because itwas the first race I'd gone
into where I wasn't trying to,like you know, win against
myself.
I'm obviously not conor mance,I'm not gonna win anything, but
I was.
I wasn't trying to beat myselffor once I went to Buffalo to
pace a buddy of mine and thatwas the most fun I've had on a

(07:08):
run in a long time.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That is cool.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
In a race, I should say.
Just because, like we were ableto chill.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Like.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I was able to have a great time.
I don't know, it was fun.
But other than that races arebrutal.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Like it yeah like they are really tough.
Um, I told you we didn't.
We dropped out of grandma'smarathon.
Yeah, uh, and I saw like allthese athletes from bpn posting
about their experience and stuff.
Yeah, and I think only twopeople got the times that they
wanted to I think we saw thesame video.
Yeah, it was like everyone wasjust like struggling.
I was like man.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
That must have been just like tough conditions
fonzie and dude missed his bylike 30, some odd minutes that
was nuts dang our boy.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Uh, luke luke hopkins , he was he was really close, I
think he wanted like a 250 orsomething at a 253 or somewhere
like still so he was right inthe range.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
He was the first one in the video.
That was like close.
Everybody else had a roughweekend so you might have done
good by pushing it back a yearyou know, I mean, yeah, maybe it
won't be as hot next year.
I heard that was kind of a itwas the heat.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And then, like the night before, we got all these
emails that was like there's 30to 40 mile an hour winds with
two inch hail, um, and all this,these like weather advisories,
and then the day of it gotdelayed 30 minutes because of
weather, and then I guess itjust like heat, like got super
hot, dang.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
So I don't know how that.
Delays are brutal.
I don't know if you've been tomany races where they've delayed
the start, but that is likethat sucks the only one that
I've done is the rock and rollone in vegas yeah, well, it was
just like I think 33 000 peoplewere there and it was massive
like the

Speaker 1 (08:43):
biggest, yeah, the biggest running thing I've ever
done.
Um, and the reason it wastaking so long was just because
there were so many people.
It was like hard to get themall in the corral and then send
them off.
But, um, yeah, that was brutaland it was hot, so it's a good
time.
But, yeah, man, I I want to goback to kind of like what you
were saying.
Um, at the beginning piece, thefear, because I think that's

(09:06):
like really relatable, at leastfor me.
I relate to that 100%, like Ihave a lot of habits that can
easily take over my life andlike I'm a glutton, like I'll
eat a bunch of crap and lose allmy fitness real quick.
So I kind of like have to keepmyself in check in that way.

(09:27):
But like I, I recognize thatsame thing.
Like you know, if I'm, if Idon't take care of my body now
and some people might argue thatgoing in races and doing
distance like isn't which youknow, say what you want, but um,
I mean it keeps me healthy,like, at least mentally, um, but

(09:47):
like it was a big piece of fearthat that drove me to do it and
I wanted to just prove tomyself that I could always keep
getting better, um, and nomatter how small that progress
might seem.
But like I don't know, I I wearthis quote around my neck, the
the man of the arena quote.
Have you ever heard of that?
From Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's like my favorite one, just because he's
like hey, the credit goes to theguy who actually tried Right.
Um, and like you're saying,like you want to be prepared for
a race, the best way to do thatis to train to.
You know, dig deep when thetraining runs, get hard, um, and
all that kind of stuff.
But yeah, so what was liketraining for the tough mudder,

(10:31):
like because you garbage?
Yeah so your first time, likeso I had.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
admittedly, I was like I'll use the term athletic
loosely here, but I was likeathletic in high school, right,
I was probably the most mediocreat any sport Did you play any
sports I tried, yeah.
So I did cross country and trackand then I wrestled when I was
younger, did everything you knowas a kid Basketball, football,
baseball, whatever but kind ofstuck to like track and

(10:57):
wrestling as I got older, butagain very mediocre, I didn't
take anything seriously and I dokind of like regret that.
Not that I could have beenanything crazy like I'm not
gonna be that guy but I I couldhave put out a lot more effort
for sure.
So I have like some athleticbackground that I was going off
of and I was like, oh you knowwhat, I'll just go hit like five

(11:18):
mile training run to get readyfor this tough mudder and
immediately I think it took allof two weeks and like four runs
for me to have like inflamed myIT bands so bad that I like
struggled to walk.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, that's brutal man.
It band syndrome is tough.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And I had no idea what they, what it was.
I was like, oh, I'm tearingsomething.
Like something isn't just not.
I could tell.
Obviously something's not rightwhen it feels like you've got
this like metal cable, that'sjust like.
So yeah, it's jacked up againstyour knees.
So I was like I don't know whatto do and luckily one of my
good buddies, uh jace, was thereand or not there, but I was
able to bounce, like you know,talk to him like hey, man,

(11:57):
you're a runner, like what am Idoing?
And he was the one who, like,corrected me, got me on like the
right path.
I went out and I loved ourcross-country program.
We had great coaches butstructure kind of sucked.
It was just like hey, go runeight miles, we'll see you back
here whenever you're done withthat I've heard that a lot
actually from people who havedone cross-country.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
They just tell you to go.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
To be fair, we would do a track day, an interval day.
Every week we had some, but Idon't think any of us understood
that.
The rest of the runs wereprobably supposed to be fairly
easy.
It was like five days a weekafter school we're going out and
we're going as hard as we canfor three to eight miles.
And that's practice, so that'sall I know.
So when I start training again.

(12:44):
It's like go out as hard as Ican and in my brain I'm just
like, okay, if I go faster, thiswill be done faster.
Yeah, and I come to find outthat's a terrible mindset I had
to slow way down, you know, thenyou start learning about zone
two and xyz.
But I was glad I had somebody atthe time jace, who was already
running to kind of correct thatyeah okay, you need to slow way
the heck down so I went fromtrying to hit like these sub

(13:06):
nines to, honestly, I spent likemonths between like 11 and 13
minute miles just trying to like, just figure it out, get a base
, not be injured, because the itthing was a real buzzkill yeah,
because it affects like justwell, I'm on my feet for work
and so it affects like justbeing alive, trying to get
through the day.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It's tough, it van is garbage and so it affects like
just being alive trying to getthrough the day.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's tough, it van is garbage and so slowed down a
little bit, didn't have a greattraining, but just enough to get
through the tough mudder.
Um, and then that kind of likeonce tough mudder was done, it
was like, okay, I need to do ahalf marathon.
I don't know why that was theprogression, but I was just like
I finished this, let's, I needto do a half marathon.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I mean nine miles why not?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
that was the next thing, dang and training for
that didn't go well either.
Really, it's like after that Ido feel like I finally kind of
figured it out and that was likethe beginning of what do we do
is 25, so that was the beginningof 24.
I kind of figured it out andthen I had a really good for me
good race year last year yeahthen this year I had goals for

(14:06):
all these prs and I kind ofsidelined all of it to like
change up what I was going to doyeah did some triat, doing some
triathlon stuff now and butyeah, been a lot of fun, been a
lot of learning.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Holy cow, so much learning I know, man, it's like
I kind of approached it the sameway, like running is pretty
self-explanatory.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, one foot in front of the other.
Yeah, one foot in front of theother.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
You just try and go as fast as you can.
Like you said, try and get itdone, and that was always my
approach back then.
Now it's like I try and get assmart as I can about my running,
so I'm learning about, like theposterior chain, which is, you
know, your, your back, yourglutes, your hamstrings, your
calves, like everything likethat mine is really weak yeah,

(14:49):
mine is too like that's.
That's what I'm learning, andthe reason I started finding out
about all this stuff is becausemy wife has runner's knee
really bad oh shoot um, and likeshe got to the point to where
she would run, and then it feltlike she had knives in her knees
, so she'd like stop, and I waslike I wonder why this is
happening.
And so a lot of it's likemobility work and and, like you

(15:10):
said, like just learning so muchand yeah, um, but yeah, my
start kind of was very similar,like I had no idea what I was
doing.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Um, you've done it super well, though.
Coming back from, I meanlearning about the tumor and
whatnot yeah like what you arelike qualifying for boston and
being the beast you are now likeit's trying man well, I
appreciate that, yeah, it's,it's been a journey and like
that's one thing.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I think the reason I love running and endurance is
because you think that you hit alevel and that's your stopping
point.
And then you recognize that you, you might be, and that's your
stopping point.
And then you recognize that you, you might be able to push it a
little bit more.
And then typically you can, um,and that's like what I fell in
love with was it's just a mentalgame at that point, like can I

(15:57):
push myself harder, can I stayin the fight longer when it gets
tough?
And um, yeah, and also from aplace of gratitude, like you
mentioned me being sick, likethat was some of the worst times
and I wasn't able to run andstuff like that.
And so now I know, you know thethe blessing that it is to be
able to get out and exercise,because I know a lot of people

(16:18):
can't yeah um, so yeah, I meanit's kind of interesting that
way like you learn along the way.
but yeah to your point, it'slike you're that way, like you
learn along the way, but yeah toyour point, it's like you're
constantly trying to find waysto improve your form to your
prove your times, like all thatkind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm like training my hips in the gym now I know, yeah
, like it's so weird.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Have you ever done Copenhagen planks?
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
dude.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Those are brutal, those are the worst.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I can't even true, I can't even true.
I like can fake a set, but Ican't even really do it.
It's so hard Like just bodyweight.
I can't like even get through.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
No I um those are tough.
I tried it on, like if you bendyour knee, and for anyone who
doesn't know what we're talkingabout, you basically put your
knee on a bench or your yourfoot on a bench and then you do
a plank, but it's only one ofyour legs, so it's like your,
your groin is pretty muchsupporting your plank and you
have to just strengthen that andit's.
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I realized how weak that whole area was.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I know and I'm like man, I wonder if I can be a
better runner if I like get allthese things fine tuned.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, that's the hope I'm like dang, if I can tune up
, one thing, that's kind ofstrengthening the rest and all
these different things it's likemy training has become so
different.
When I was trying to lift, youknow, five, six years ago, it
was just like bodybuilding, brolifting, which is great for
those who do that, but, likeit's not usually as effective
for, like, running.
So now, instead of, like youknow, heavy squats and deadlifts

(17:43):
which aren't bad, but but it'slike now I'm Copenhagen's or
Cossack squats and all theseother things that look kind of
good.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, those are brutal Bulgarian split squats,
man.
I did those yesterday and theystill suck.
Those are my demise.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
They still suck.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'm sore today.
They always will suck.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
They almost train your mind more than well.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
No, they train your legs really well, well, but it's
a mind trainer.
Oh yeah, dude, it's likesatan's workout, seriously.
But seriously it is interesting.
Like I don't know, I I had on,um, my friend's wife who's a pt,
as she came on the podcast andwe were talking a little bit
about like mobility and um, howthere are just these small
muscles that no one reallythinks about right like I don't
know if you have you ever donelike tibialis raises and stuff?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
like that.
Oh dude, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So that's like saved my shins.
Yeah, I just put it like a 15pound kettlebell on there and
just get, like you know, 10 setsor 10 reps in.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Dude, the Vasa by my house now has like one of those
I don't even know what the heckit's called.
Oh, what the heck it's called,but oh, is it the nordic curl
thing?
Well, not exactly it's.
It's for, like the tib raises,so you can like put, you put, uh
like weights on the end of itoh, yeah, yeah just like do the
raises that way and that'sfreaking awesome dude yeah doing
it with the kettlebell iseffective, but it kind of sucks

(18:58):
yeah, no, it's like you can'tget range of motion that well,
so it makes total sense.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
But yeah, man, I mean I think it's it's all aimed to
to get you better and likethat's why I have this podcast
is, like you know, I talk aboutprogressing in in every area
that you can in your life and umfitness being one, and like
sometimes you're like, oh yeah,I need to get my mile times down
, or like I want to work on myoverall endurance so I can stay
out on the trails longer.

(19:24):
But you know, it's also like Ineed to do these stupid
exercises that make me look like, you know, like I'm a grandma.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But right, just help me area the gym now.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, but I mean it all like plays into each other
and just like hopefully makesfor a better product in the end.
So, um, but yeah, so I you.
You mentioned Moab was yourfirst half marathon.
Yeah, so what was that likechoice?
How come?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
nobody told me that that was a terrible choice for
it, dude.
It had like 3 000 somethingfeet of elevation gain no way.
So I've never run a marathon,I've never run, you know that
far yeah and now I just added,without even this is how
ignorant I was.
I didn't even know that at thetime.
It was just like advertised aslike this beautiful trail and it

(20:07):
was like it was beautiful.
But it also was so terrible.
I want to go back and do it nowthat it's not like my, you know
.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Intro to that's not your first one but it was brutal
, it was tough.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I think I was almost three hours.
I think it was like a 254 orsomething like that.
And yeah, I was just notprepared, not at all.
Yeah, I'd run everything on thejordan river trail which, for
the most part, is flat.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You can get a little bit of up and down yeah, it's a
great trail, though it's like itgoes on forever, oh yeah love
it for long runs, but not forhill training yeah which is what
I should have been doing.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I should have have been doing nothing but running
the trails around here, and Iwas not doing that, so my legs
were not ready.
But I was glad to finish thatone.
There's another one where it'slike just grit, just finish.
Quitting is not an option.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean that really is true.
It's like I think very fewtimes.
I think the only reason youshould dnf is if it's like
medical reason, of course, butlike yeah, if you're just tired,
then it should never be anoption, like you should never
give yourself that, that, uh,that cookie, you know it's like
or that that out is a betterword to say like.

(21:20):
I think I used to do that a lot,especially when I began trail
running, like training for myfirst 50K I'd be like, oh yeah,
well, I'm just getting intotrail running so I don't want to
go out too hard.
But then sometimes I'd go backto the car and be like I could
have pushed it harder.
I lied to myself and that wasalways the worst feeling.
I was like I hate that feeling.

(21:40):
So I always just try and makesure sure, like you said, like
quitting is not an option, evenif that means like I'm dropping
my pace down to you know aminute slower, it doesn't matter
like finish the job, that'swhat.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
So I mentioned buffalo earlier.
Um, I went out there to pace abuddy.
He wanted to hit a specifictime and I was coming off of the
70.3, so like I wasn't in aplace to chase my own time,
which- is why I was like, yeah,I'll pace you for sure.
And so we're pacing for his timeand we we're crushing it like
we're ahead of pace for thefirst like eight or nine miles,
and then his hill just like blewup.

(22:13):
Like I can't remember if hesaid it ended up being fractured
or something, but like it blewup I could tell he was in a ton
of pain.
Oh, I knew he obviously had tohave wanted to quit the whole
time because that's brutal.
Like I know how it is to run onfoot pain and it's it sucks yeah
, it's the worst and at somepoint you know I was trying to
be encouraging I was like comeon, man, like we can still get
it if we just do whatever thismile.

(22:36):
And and he got to a point wherehe was like failure is fine,
quitting is not an option yeah,I was like okay like that.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I love that.
That's good.
Like I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And it helped me understand where his head was at
.
He knew like we were gonna missthis and we barely to his
defense, we still barely missedit, like he had a great opening
to the race, um.
But I was proud to see him pushthrough and just have that
mindset of like it's okay thatI'm gonna fail on my goal, like
I'm not quitting this, I'm goingto finish this race.
And what was Dylan's thing?

(23:07):
Like three, four weeks ago, Igot to the point where it was
the same.
I was like I had a goal Iwanted to be under five hours
for that 50K and I just got to apoint where I realized that
wasn't going to happen.
I was getting beat up.
Once it got hot, that thing gotrough.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Dude, I bet you left at a great time.
Yeah, it was still nice outside.
I was like, oh man.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
But yeah, I dug and grabbed that out of my memory
bank.
I was like, oh man, logan saidthis and I had to use that.
I was like it's okay if I'm notgoing to hit five hours.
But, no shot.
Am I quitting on Dylan orquitting on this 50K?
I'm going to finish this.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, I love that mindset.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
I feel like if you're an endurance I mean I guess it
applies in all facets of lifebut you've got to have that
mindset.
To an extent it's like failureis fine, quitting is not.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Absolutely, even with things like this podcast.
I failed many times with it andI just don't want to quit like
I'll learn each of those times.
And same thing with running,like races where I haven't done
as well or I don't meet my goals, um, even on runs, it's like
okay, what did I miss on that?
What can I learn from it?

(24:19):
How can I get better the nexttime?
Because at the end of the day,it's like I made this commitment
to myself.
And in your case, like Dallinor um, you know all the, all the
people who you ran with and Ican't remember what his name was
in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh, Logan, Logan.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Um, and like you know , it's, it's important to
commitments, but I think it's,like most important to yourself.
Yeah, like to keep that promiseto yourself of I said I was
going to do something.
I might not reach the goal thatI thought I would have, but,
hey, I'm gonna get it done yeah,that's huge.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I I really felt like that.
I I just finished up theironman 70 down in st george
yeah and I didn't have thephysical race that I I wanted to
have.
I didn't put forth the timesthat I had trained for, and
nothing's ever given.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
What were you going for in that race?
I?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
wanted to be sub six, which is very modest.
It was my first one and I feltlike that was still a reach of a
goal, but nothing crazy.
I wasn't trying to be sub fiveor whatever.
I knew St George well.
I learned later on again my ownignorance that it was kind of a
harder course.
It's actually not one of theeasy, I think.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I would imagine it is like the hardest 70 course.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Wait, really yeah, I was reading this online and I
was like, oh crap, like what didI sign up for?
Cause I, as soon as theymentioned it was going to be the
last one.
I was like because I was on thefence and then they said it's
gonna be the last time we're insaint george.
I was like okay well, all right,we're going now we're never
literally, so we're going dang,and it was tough.
I mean, it was brutal, and itwas one though that, when I got

(25:54):
to the end, it was like a mentalpat on the back.
It was like you know whatbrayden I'm like, I'm proud of
you for just keep continuing togo, yeah because, when?
Because when I got off the bike,like the bike is what I was the
most nervous about, cause it'sgot like 4,000 feet of gain over
the 56 miles, and one one ofthose sections is snow Canyon,

(26:15):
which, if you're familiar withsnow Canyon.
That is so steep Like peoplewere walking bikes walking there
like $15,000 bikes and I wasjust like this is brutal.
And so we pushed through that.
The bike actually ends up beingmy best leg of the day, and it
was the one I was the mostworried about.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I'm not a cyclist.
I still am slow to classifymyself as a runner, even, but
like my strongest disciplinewould have been runner.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And so I wasn't worried about the run, the swim
I just love.
Hate with swim, won't get intothat, but I was just like yeah
the bike is what I was worriedabout the most and does it go
swimming, biking running?
Yeah, okay, yeah so you startin san jolo, you swim 1.2, and
then you jump on the bikes andgo 56, and then you finish with
a half marathon in st george andthe run was the only thing that

(27:03):
I wasn't worried about.
Cause I was like I know I canrun a half marathon, I had to go
.
I was like I think that afterthat kind of effort I could
still put down like a one 45 toone 50.
And that would keep me, likeyou know, competitive to hit the
times I wanted to hit overall.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
And I can't imagine what that's like after biking 56
miles, though.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And so the last five miles of the bike, my feet just
started hurting and I was likewhat the freak is this about?
Like I've done 56 mile trainingrides and 60 mile training
rides and like my feet hadn'thurt, and so I was super
confused.
But I was like you know what,that'll go away after a couple
of miles, and it didn't.
It got worse.
Like cramping or just like weirdpain, just like pain it felt

(27:42):
like literally walking on likepins and needles, like every
step just felt like inflammatoryand I mean half marathons, what
like 15,000 steps?
Yeah, something like that.
It was like every single one isjust so painful and I wanted to
be done the whole time yeah.
Because and I would have likefelt like it was a valid excuse
I was like my feet were hurtingso bad, felt like it was a valid

(28:03):
excuse.
I was like my feet were hurtingso bad and they did like.
Later on, you know, I had likebruises down the sides of them
or something.
Something must have gone.
I don't think I was ready, Idon't think I trained well
enough for that kind of climbingon the bike.
So even though I did okay withit, I don't think like my body
was like totally ready for that.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
So that's my only guess.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Because I saw I did see a couple other TikToks of
people who kind of mentioned thesame thing which, like gave me
some comfort.
I was like, okay, I wasn't theonly one whose feet hurt coming
off the bike, but it was sopainful to run.
And so, instead of, you know,hitting these eight minute ish
miles, I was hitting like 11sand 12s in a freaking race,
which you know.
I'm not saying that that'spainfully slow or anything but,

(28:44):
when you're anticipating eightsand you're hitting 11s and 12s
like, and when you train forthat, it sucks Like yeah, that's
a mental.
That's a mental kick in thenuts.
It was like I wanted to justquit the whole time but I just
like.
It's like I'm not quitting, I'mnot quitting, I'm not quitting.
And when I got done I was kindof disappointed because I felt

(29:06):
like I had so much more in mylegs Um cause, my feet did
finally numb out at like mile 11.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Great Right, so my last two miles.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
if you go look at my thing like my last two miles are
eight minute miles because it'slike my feet finally chilled
out and I could run again yeah,and so that was like super
defeating being at the finishline and it's like I was still
dead.
Like, don't get me wrong, that'sa heavy effort that's a ton of
work my legs, I felt like stillhad more to give and that that
was sad.

(29:34):
Um, but it was kind of a mental.
I like pat myself on the backbecause it just it wasn't
physical.
You know, kind of, like youmentioned earlier, it was a
mental finish.
I had to just like really diginto the cookie jar and like
push through that mentallybecause it just it hurts so bad
you can't do anything about it,and so it's like just your brain

(29:54):
willing you forward.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
And I mean that's a a lot like a lot of the races,
especially the 50ks.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know how that goes, it's like you, at some
point you get beyond physicaland you have to mentally figure
out how you're going to finishthis race yeah, because, like I
don't know, I mean you mighthave a couple blisters that
flare up on a 50k or somethinglike that.
But um, dude, my, my experience, my first 50k, I ran in uh
there's arizona arizona yeah itwas.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I mean that's it I make bad decisions, but that's a
bad decision, arizona was a baddecision, well, originally I
was gonna run the barriers um inmonticello yeah yeah uh, but
like while I was uh I was.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I was like carb loading during that time.
Like three days before thefirst day I started carb loading
, I got so sick and I threw upall night and then the next day
I couldn't eat anything.
And then I was trying to runthe race.
I was going to do it and it wasthe Friday before and my mom
came up and my dad came up fromArizona.

(30:55):
I was like I got to do this andbasically they were like you're
stupid, you shouldn't do this.
You haven't eaten anything fortwo days.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Voices of reason.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, and I was like no, mom, look, I'm eating a
sandwich and she's like that'sgreat.
You didn't eat anything for twodays and you threw up
everything.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
And then my wife's.
Like you probably shouldn't doit, so, anyways, I found a
different race and it was thethe stunner nights in arizona,
so it was like a night race inthe desert, which I thought was
cool, sounds cool, yeah, and Iwas like it's 100 degrees, yeah,
and that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I told myself.
I was like you know, the desertcools down a lot.
Um, I used to camp out thereand I was like I remember it
being freezing, but not in july,like it was never cold in july,
and so we go, like I go there.
Um, the race started at 7 pmand that's still the sun
probably still up.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, the sun was still up.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
It doesn't get dark till like 8 30 in arizona and so
like I had an hour and a halfof sunlight um, and it was 104
when we started oh and like Icame out that's so hot and I
think I was in third place thefirst lap and I was like feeling
good and it was four laps, sojust like seven and a half miles
each.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's a lot better than 31, by the way, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean like, yeah, that's 31 laps at a park,
that's nuts man, that was sodumb.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I love you, Dylan, but that was so dumb dude.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Dylan, that's legit.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'll dumb.
Yeah, I mean, I'll be there too.
I gotta redeem myself, but yeah.
So like I don't know, but afterthat first lap, um, like I had
a hat on and I think it was likeit was rubber, not rubber, but
it was like one of those likemelon type hats.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like kind ofthick right um, and it's yeah,
like held in all the heat of myhead oh and so, like I don't
know, after that lap it wasrough, but um the second one I

(32:36):
went and and I would throw upevery quarter mile.
Quarter mile, yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
How did you have anything left?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I didn't.
I called my coach and I waslike I don't know what to do.
She's like I think it's justdehydration and heat.
If you can sip water, then justdo it.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
That's brutal.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
That lap was my slowest one, but I finally got
through it.
That's brutal, and so, like,that lap was my slowest one, but
I finally got through it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
And I guess like that was the second one, that this
happened on.
Yeah, so you're only like sevenmiles deep at this point.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah.
So when I finally got through,I finished the second lap, it
was 15 miles and I was like Ishould probably go to the med
station because, like I don'tknow what's going on.
They cleared me.
They're like, yeah, you're fine, like all your vitals are good.
Um, my um, mother-in-law'shusband he was like a ex-trainer

(33:25):
, like for for school and stuff,and so he like took ice cubes
and put it in my shirt and allthis stuff.
But basically everyone was likehey, if you drop out of this
race, like that's fine, whatever.
Um, and I was like I gottafinish this thing, like I want
to just see if I can do it.
Yeah, like I'm obviously notgonna hit my pace, but um, yeah,
and then like other thingswould happen, like my light
would go out, so I'm justrunning in the pitch black and

(33:47):
it's like you know what, add itall up, just bring on, bring on
the pain.
That's that's what this isabout.
So, um, but you know, it's likeat the end of the day, it's
like I'm proud that I I keptgoing, like it doesn't matter.
The results that I had weren'tobviously what I wanted.
Um, sounds like the same with,like you and in the half
marathon and in the iron manyeah uh, but like you know what

(34:09):
it's, it's an honest effort.
It's what the best that youcould have done.
Um, and I've I've recognizedrecently that I compare myself a
lot to people on social media,especially in the, in the
endurance space.
It's like it's right up in yourface oh, yeah and dude, it's
like.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
What sucks for me is we're seeing this sample of
these influencers that arethey're just so fast, and I mean
good for them yeah, they're sofast it makes it seem like
everybody's that fast, andthey're just not yeah not
everybody is dropping.
You know 120 half marathons andstuff like 250 marathons.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
All the time it's like that takes a lot of effort
to get to that point.
Not a lot of people are goingto be able to run boston and
jeans oh yeah, and two and dowith 236.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
let's get into true at Hanes.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Oh my gosh man, but that's that's a really good
point, though, like what yousaid, like all the work that
went into it.
Um, because, true, it postedsomething the other day.
That was like.
I ran my first half marathonwhen I was six years old.
Yeah mean he's cam's son.

(35:18):
So like, yeah, I expect that's.
I almost expect nothing less.
But like, yeah, but it's likeit really is.
It's.
It's tough not to compareyourself.
Yeah, it's hard, it really ishard on strava.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah so with someone's zone two like you is
like seven to eight minutes andmy zone two is like 10, I mean,
yeah it's, it's tough, but likeit really is.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Like you know, everyone has their own journey,
though.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, that's a big thing and I think it's one of
the things I love the most aboutendurance and why I was kind of
drawn to sports like track andwrestling back in school is that
it's.
Yeah, there's still a teamaspect, but it's very personal.
A lot of it's you versus you.
A hundred percent aspect, butit's very personal, it's a lot
of it's you versus you, 100 andand I like that a lot because

(36:01):
you know I can go out and youknow, jace, my buddy beats me at
every half marathon.
But like I'm not trying to beatjace yet, but yeah, but I'm
trying to beat myself.
And that's like yeah thatthere's so much power in that,
because the comparison kind of Idon't know dies off a little
bit when you can really justfight yourself, because there

(36:23):
will always be someone faster.
Like that's just unfortunately,kind of the way it is, someone
will always be faster, but it'slike I just want to be faster
than I was, you know, yesterday.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Or last time I ran this race or whatever.
Like I'm doing a race onSaturday, which one?
It's 5k up in Farmington Ifyou're not busy.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
drop by, it's a great cause no more victims.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
5k supporting.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
you know great effort there with sexual abuse victims
and stuff but like just a 5k.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
They have a half marathon option, but we signed
up for the 5k last year, um,just as something to kind of
fill the gap between some halfmarathons that we had been doing
last year and after we did itlast year, like, yeah, we're
doing this every year yeah it'sgot the best swag bag like
really insane.
All right, one of your one ofyour previous pods talked about
how races don't like some racesdon't give out medals and stuff

(37:14):
like that, that that was my DJbuddy.
Oh yeah, Take two.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, dj, take two.
Yeah, man, I guess legit.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
This race goes so hard.
And it's just a 5K, but it'slike this swag bag is next level
.
It's so good so we're going outto do this.
Jace won it last year, oh dang.
I assume his goal is to getclose to that again this year,
so he's genuinely racing otherpeople.
I'm going to race myself.
Last year I did like a 22.50and this year it's like I got to

(37:47):
go sub 21.
I would love to go sub 20.
I just haven't trained for that.
Really, this year A lot of mytraining has been long distances
and cross training with thebike and swim, so I'm just I
think if I would have had sometime to actually train for a 5k
yeah maybe, but I do want to gosub 21, and that's the fun part

(38:07):
about this sport I don't need tolike go out and win a local 5k.
not that my sub 21 will get meclose to winning anyway, but I I
just get to go out and winagainst myself, hopefully
P-R-E-R, you know, that's wherewe're going with this one.
I'm going to hit that onSaturday because I want to beat
myself.
That's what I love aboutendurance it's just like it's

(38:29):
you against you.
Obviously, you get to ConnorMance and Clayton and these guys
level and it's like, okay,there's money on the line.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
It and Clayton and these guys level and it's like,
okay, there's money on the line.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
It's not just you against you.
It's like you against the bestKenyans out there, but I love
the you versus you and I feellike that helps a lot when I
start comparing, because it's soeasy when you see, luke?
Hopkins, just like being supershredded and then like still
being super fast.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's so hard to not just like get sad about that
fast, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, it's so hard to not just like get sad about
that.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I know you're like how come that's not me?
It's like part of him motivatesme and part of him makes me so
sad.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I know it's like same with like nick bear like oh
dude, yeah the og of like,making me feel bad about myself.
Yeah, man, I mean just soshredded, so fast yeah he kind
of started like all the therunning hype recently at least,
like yeah, getting on socialmedia and stuff, dude that going
more ultra I honestly think isgoing to change the game for
running it was nuts.

(39:24):
The way running is viewed, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's like that was such a public thing.
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I love that people were drawn into that I was
literally watching all day mywife and I Same.
And she'd be like, oh, lucyjust dropped out, or something.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I'd be like oh, Lucy just dropped out, or something.
I'd be like, oh, dang Crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I'm like I don't know .
It's so cool just seeing peopleget together and be like let's
see how far we can all go.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, let's see how far we can push ourselves.
Kim and Kendall were like goingto die to get there.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
That was nuts.
Yeah, that was insane, and theweather stopped them, so who
knows what could have happened,which?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
The weather stopped him, so who knows what could
have happened.
Which?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
is sad, I know A little frustrating.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Almost.
I was like I wanted to see whowas going to die.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I know, I can't remember where it is.
I think it's in Europe rightnow, but there's a Backyard
Ultra.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Oh Australia.
Yeah, australia, they've beengoing for like four days.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, they're at like 440 miles or something like
that.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I had no idea what's going on.
I wish I could have likefollowed that live stream.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Australians are built different.
I guess man like yeah, dude, doyou know who ned brockman is?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I've heard that name.
I can't say I could tell you.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So he just decided like he's gonna run all the way
across australia, which I thinkis oh dang um it's like two
thousand something miles andlike he did it, um, and people
were like calling him out, likesaying like, oh, that was fake.
It might not have been himactually, it might not have been
ned brockman, I can't rememberwho, but some australian runner

(40:45):
um sent it across the countryyeah, he's like I'm just gonna
go dang and then, um, oh man,who's the other guy?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
dude, have you heard of matt johnson?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
yeah, I know, johnson he.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
So he ran texas, I think, like north to south last
year and now he's doing it likeeast to west or something like
that it's like a thousand miles,he's gonna put down in like, I
think, three months or somethinglike that that's insane, but
yeah, he's nuts too.
He's awesome, he, because he'sjust so real.
To me he's like an influence,like I don't compare myself to
him, um, just because he's themost real of all of them, like

(41:20):
in my biased opinion ofinfluencers like he, and he very
like unapologetically shareshis story of going from broke
sleeping on the mattress on thefloor to just sending it on
social media and hoping it wouldstick.
And it eventually did.
And now he's like got a runningclub with jelly roll and like,

(41:42):
oh, that's cool, all this coolstuff.
And now he's, you know, goingto run across texas, the other
direction, which is even longerand more insane, but like when's
he doing it?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
in the summer or no?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I think he's like still over 100 days out, so I
assume kind of earlier this fall.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I was going to say Texas summer would be insane
.
Oh yeah, I don't know.
I just love the runningcommunity, at least for me, has
just been really supportive.
That's actually one thing thatTake Two and I actually talked
about was how it's really coolthat you go out and it's like a
race environment, yeah, buteveryone's still like, hey, like

(42:20):
you're gonna do great, likethis is you got this?
Um?
And then there's people onsocial media like, uh, I I feel
the same way about andy glaze.
I don't know if you love andyglaze.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
That guy just seems like the most genuine
down-to-earth guy ever yes umhis hallucinations kill me yeah
so good, yeah, he, uh, what wasit?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
was it coca-dona or the, the monster 300?
Where he's like, yeah, I sawrobots.
Yeah, I mean, he's like Ithought they were gonna fight me
or something.
It's like that's just nuts.
Like I can't imagine getting tothat point where, like you're
hallucinating in a race, but Imean, hopefully I get there,
like I I was gonna say it is onthe list of things to do down
the road, but yeah, definitely I, I want to.

(43:00):
I want to get to that point likeyou want to do like 100 one day
yeah, so my goal is, um.
I mean, we're doing a 50k thisyear in in canyon lands, which
should be bad I?
I was thinking about theelevation overall.
It's like 2400 feet elevation.
Okay, so your half marathon hadmore than my 50k.
Well, that's, that's prettygood, um, that shows you how

(43:22):
hard that was yeah, that'sinsane.
And then in april of next yearmy brother and I were doing um a
50 miler in sedona, arizona ohdang, so that one would be, that
one would be tough in arizonaraces man I know well, sedona
would be nice, so don't know.
Hopefully, like they're, alittle higher elevation yeah
yeah, yeah, and it's likebeautiful red rocks.
Um so nice, it'll be a goodrace, but um, and then after

(43:44):
that, yeah, I gotta, I want tosee if I can do 100 and then 150
.
Who knows?
dang but I don't know.
I mean, it's just like I loverunning, I love the speed side
of things, but then also, likepart of me is like the trails
are, are where it's at.
I just love getting out in thetrails, being in the mountains
um, being in, you know, the sunand seeing like a stream right

(44:05):
the only thing I'm so worriedabout is mountain lions, but
other than that it's like I'mfine so yeah, I mean it's, it's,
it's cool and um, I always likesometimes I'll get discouraged
and be like I'll never get tothat point right
but then, like I always remindmyself um, you know, people have
always been in this situation,like who start these things?
They've always been in thebeginning.
Um, like you read undeniableright or listen to her yeah,

(44:31):
something, um courtney to waltertalked about that in the book.
Yeah, how like she ran herfirst marathon when she was 25.
And now she's like they callher the goat of ultra marathon
running because she literallylike doesn't stop and she's fast
.
But she talked about how, likeshe first found out about a 50K

(44:51):
and like went and tried it andthen was like I want to keep
doing this and kept pushingherself and, um, she DNF her
first I think it was a 60 Kactually she DNF.
But um, like it's just cool tosee that the people who we look
up to go through the samechallenges and battles.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, Um and we're all just in different parts of
kind of a similar journey.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I think that's cool.
Um, I do want to ask you, causeyou mentioned your kids at the
beginning.
Yeah, what do you?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
what do you hope that they take from your example?
I, uh, I don't want to getcontroversial, but I just feel
like there's so much likeacceptance and almost promotion
of just being generally likeunhealthy, out of shape,
overweight, not going to the gym, x, y, z and I'm not some
shining example of gym going,but like I just want my kids to

(45:48):
feel like it was super normaland that it is the norm to like
be in decent shape.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
You can.
Yeah, I could run a 5K at anytime, or a 10K or whatever.
I want them to think.
I want them to just look atfitness and health in general
and just have it be somethingthat's normal to them Right
Instead of normalizing like.
I think body positivity is agreat thing.
Yeah, you know to an extentlike man, if you're in really

(46:14):
bad shape, you should fix that.
Yeah, we should.
It shouldn't be glorified.
We should you take steps to fixit.
There's always a fix right I'ma huge believer.
There's always some kind of fixum, it's just how bad do you
want it?
Right most people just don'twant it.
Bad enough, and that's fine.
But I, for my two boys, I'mhoping that I can try to instill

(46:36):
in them a little bit of thatdesire to like find out what
they're made of.
I think goggins um kind ofopened my mind to it the most.
I can't remember which book itwas in, I think it was in the
first.
But he gives this analogy andit's about like when you die and
you get to the gates and God isshowing you like the video and

(46:57):
he shows you the video of whatlife you were supposed to have
led and in Gargan's scenario is,like you know, he's supposed to
be an ultra marathon runner andblah, blah, blah.
Everybody's scenario can bedifferent, but that was like a
really impactful, like imagerything for me yeah because I was
just like man, you know, andgrowing up in religious utah and

(47:22):
believing you know certain waysis just like that was so
impactful for me to hear fromgoggins, because I was just like
man, I don't want to get upthere and God was like you were
supposed to set the example foryour kids you know and you
didn't.
You just kept being you know,kept eating the entire box of
donuts Instead of only a couple.

(47:42):
You were eating the whole boxevery single time and so I hope
you know, depending on whateverhappens in the afterlife, I can
get up there and he's like, yeah, you showed your kids exactly
what they're supposed to do andI'm hoping they took to that.
Um, hopefully they're waybetter than I am.
They've got an awesome momwho's hopefully given them a lot
better, just like genetic andmental things, than I'm passing

(48:05):
along.
But I can at least I hope toshow through some example that,
like fitness is normal, beinghealthy is is normal.
It's what we should do and weshould chase, you know, physical
goals yeah um, I hope they.
They're probably still a littleyoung now, but like they've seen
me cross a handful of finishlines yeah and to my old, my

(48:26):
oldest.
He took note that I lost tojace.
He's like Dad come on.
He sees Jace come through that.
He's asking my wife.
He's like where's Dad?
He's not as fast as Jace.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
So you just had to rub it in your face just a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, no kidding, Dang, oh man.
So yeah, he always.
But it's like, so I'm hopingsome of that is starting to
stick where.
He's like seeing me crossfinish lines and seeing me train
.
Even today, when I left thehouse, he's like where are you
going?
I was like, oh, I'm headed tothe gym real quick.
I want that to be normal forthem.
It was not normal for me growingup.

(49:03):
My parents did a lot of greatthings, Showing us that fitness
and caring for your health was,unfortunately not one of them.
I think they would agree.
I don't think they'd be superoffended that I said that Um and
I and I just want that aspectto be different.
There's parts of my childhoodthat I'll never be as good as my
parents at doing, but there'sother parts where I hope you

(49:24):
know I can improve and like showthem that, hey, it's good to be
physical, it's good to bestrong, and it doesn't have to
be all toxic masculinity orwhatever.
It's just like taking care ofyourself.
You're more valuable toyourself, to society, if you're
strong and in shape.
Let doctors have everybody elsethat needs that man, you stay

(49:47):
out of there and get yourselffit.
So I'm hoping that's kind ofwhat I leave with them.
I'm hoping they pick up on that.
My wife she busts her back toworking out.
She's not into endurance like Iam, but she goes hard and yes,
that's the fastest that she goeshard in.
She loves going to the gym andstaying fit that way and that's
great for her.

(50:07):
Yeah, Endurance isn't foreverybody.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
No, yeah, that's great for her.
Yeah, that's endurance isn'tfor everybody no, yeah, I think
it should be.
But I mean, I I just love itbecause, like, I love a lot of
the things that you said there,but like endurance, specifically
, it's like, yeah, it really isjust the hard work that I put in
will equate to some reward, andif that's like crossing a
finish line and getting a medal,awesome.
But if it's just you know, youjust want to stay in shape, then

(50:30):
that's just as good.
Um, yeah, but I think that'sawesome and it's like it truly
is just the example that you set.
Like I, um my brother, like acouple things about my brother.
So first he was like prettyoverwhelmed overweight oh yeah
and um is he about your sameheight?
you guys about the same, he's alittle bit taller than me yeah,
but he was like 265, so he waslike a big boy.

(50:53):
Yeah, um, and I'm so proud ofthat dude because, like from our
wedding photos, like when aliand I got married, um, he's a
like he looks completelydifferent from then to now.
Like now he's like 203 pounds ohdang um good for him yeah, but
it came from like a conversationwhere you know he's like ah,
you know I want, and I was likeyou got to lose some weight,

(51:13):
like you got to start eatingbetter and all these things, and
like I think you're right,you're spot on with like body
positivity is a good thing,unless you know it's causing
someone to be more sick and likesometimes you got to step up
and have a hard conversation,but it's like for the, you know,
because out of love, like thatkind of thing and I feel like

(51:33):
that gets missed on a lot ofjust social media and stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It's like I'm not, you know, it's not condemnation,
I'm not condemning you becauseof the way you are.
It's like I love you and Iwould love to see you see more
in yourself.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
You know, and that's the hard part for me is
realizing that like it is sopersonal, yeah, like you have to
want it.
You can't want it for someoneelse more than they want it for
themselves absolutely and andthat's the hard part is like I
want these people to make achange, but they don't want it,
and that's, that's fine yeah,you know, but it's like it's not
because I'm holier than thouit's I love you and I I think
you would enjoy life more if,like, these things didn't hurt

(52:13):
because of your weight or dietor whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, you know I mean that's yeah, that's that's why
I talk about like running andstuff, um so openly on this
podcast and it's because it hashelped me live a better life as
weird as it sounds like itteaches you how to stay
disciplined.
It teaches you how to stay inthe fight when you want to quit.
As many, as much as like, aspainful as it could be like, you

(52:37):
got to keep going right um, itteaches you a lot about yourself
.
And then you know, a byproductof that is your heart's going to
be healthier.
Um, your body hopefully moves alittle bit better, unless you
injure yourself in running,which starts to be a line of
like you gotta.
I'm just so injured fromrunning, you gotta be careful
there, um, but yeah, I mean,it's just like it's changed my

(52:58):
life in so many ways.
It's like I want to share thatwith other people and yeah I'm
sure at times that can come offas like, oh my gosh, brett won't
shut up about running, but it'slike, yeah, I mean, yeah, I
love it.
It's what I'm passionate about,I feel you.
Yeah, I mean, that's cool,though.
And the other thing about mybrother I was going to tell you
is his little son.
He's four years old and he'llsee his dad running and be like

(53:22):
I got to go run with dad, so Ithink it'll probably pay off in
some way.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think that was one of like it was a couple months
ago.
I'm doing a run streakchallenge this year with some of
my friends.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I was going to ask you that because it is every day
.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's freaking every day.
That's insane, dude, and it'sweird Side tangent.
It's weird because I actuallyfeel like I've gotten a lot
stronger.
I tried to do a run streak lastyear and I just got injured so
fast I think I was less than aweek and I was out of my run

(54:00):
streak.
And this year we're nearing 200, probably like 180 days ish,
and honestly I feel so muchstronger.
I feel like it's crazy.
My body is like it knows I'mcoming back tomorrow, so it's
like it's like all right.
Yeah, it's like it's ready to goum, but one of the nights I had
to hit a mile and it wasgetting late um and I was just
gonna do the one so that, sothat I could check my little box
and keep the streak alive.
And my oldest son he's five nowand he's like I want to go with

(54:20):
you and that's the first timethat either of them have shown
any interest, and so he ended uprunning.
We did this one little looparound the neighborhood this is
a quarter mile, but it's likethe neighborhood this is a
quarter mile.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
But it's like he got out and ran a quarter mile.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
That's so cool and it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
And this is like a proud dad moment for me yeah,
because I was just like.
Yes, like you know, he's seeingit.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
That is awesome.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I don't know if he enjoyed it or not, but he was
really stoked to like go runwith dad.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, was fun.
That is cool.
Man, like that, that's got tobe like the most rewarding thing
.
Yeah, it's like put all themedals aside, whatever.
It's like that right there,that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, but I um, yeah, Imean one of these days, like I
hope to do the same for my kidsand teach them those same
principles and, um, just showthem like you know, it really
comes down to what you'rewilling to put in is what you'll
get out.
Yeah, um, and a lot of thetimes it's uncomfortable, but
that's the journey.
It's a lot of uncomfort.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I can't remember if it's Goggins or Haynes or one of
them.
They probably all at some pointhave said it.
But it's like do somethingevery day that sucks.
And it's like there's so muchtruth in that, like even just
today I did a little run andthen went to the sauna.
And it's just the sauna.
You're just sitting there,we're not doing anything crazy
hard.
But I had set a timer.

(55:37):
I was like okay, I want to do20 minutes in the sauna today.
And I got to like 16 minutesand I was so cooked I was like
I'm done, I want to get thefreak out of here.
And I was like no.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Got to push.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
This is my moment of suck today.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
This sucks.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
And it's as dinky as that Someone had put a little
towel over the thermometer thingso it gets extra hot in there,
yeah, and so I was cooking.
I can usually do 20 minutes,but man, it was cooking, so I
was like, okay, this is mymoment of suck today, because I
don't want to stay in here atall, but I'm going to push
through for another four minutes.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I don't want to stay in here at all, but I'm going to
push through for another fourminutes.
I love it, dude.
What have you seen the benefitof doing that?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Having one moment to suck a day.
It just keeps your mental gamestrong.
So much of life is mental.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I probably know a lot more than I am worthy to speak
on about that because, like I,still have a lot of mental
struggles.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I'm actually um, I can't remember the name of the
doctor on your last podcast.
Oh yeah, dr Kim Buck Kim, yeah,I'm.
I'm part way through that andit's actually really nice
because it's like I love hearingthose things, because I, you
know, I have mental health.
I mean, everybody does to anextent right, there's no one's
exempt from that, and so, for me, like getting on the running
endurance journey has just beena way to like reassure myself
that like I can overcome thesethings yeah it's like you know

(57:02):
what, I was 23 miles in and Iwanted to be done, but I pushed
through another eight miles likethat.
to me and myself that said a lot, and so I was like, hey, you
know what, I'm probably a littlebit more capable in whatever
facet I am, and I know thatbecause of something I've done
in the endurance world.
So it's like I can push throughthis or I can think twice about
what I'm about to say.

(57:22):
That's going to blow somethingup, and I feel like it's been
just wildly beneficial that wayto always like continue that.
Make sure that every day youhave just that little bit of
willpower to like push throughthe suck.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And some days it's very.
It's like yeah, I turned down adonut, which is really hard for
me.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Other days it's like the maple bars from Maverick man
Insane those are the bestMaverick just came out with.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh my gosh, Maverick, man Insane.
Those are the best Maverickjust came out with.
Oh my gosh, Maverick just cameout with this one that's got
like orange cream on top of it.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Is it like a summer donut?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Come on, it's so good , it's like it's so refreshing,
but some days that's like mymoment of suck.
You know, as dinky as that is,it's like okay, I'm not going to
get finish a 50k, which is alot.
You know that's a lot moredifferent suck than like you
might need a donut for thatright.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
No kidding, I definitely had one after that,
yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah, I love the overcoming some kind of suck
every single day yeah I feellike it's so.
It's good to just like keep youon the path, and I love the run
streak for that, because it'slike I'm the kind of guy who
will take advantage of anymoment off that I can you know?
if I don't have to run, I'm notgoing to right and so I've loved
the run streak because it'slike, okay, I have to get at

(58:39):
least one mile today and youknow, I'll just stop by the gym,
I'll do it on treadmill.
Oh, I'm at the gym, I'll get alift in yeah, why not?
Otherwise I would have skippedthat.
So I've been really gratefulfor this run streak.
I'm going to keep it going Idon't know, as long as it makes
sense yeah um, just because I dofeel like it forces me to like
keep, keep it up every singleday yeah because I'm the kind of

(59:03):
guy that is like I willdefinitely take advantage if I
don't need to run right now.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I'm not going to yeah , just take it easy, because
like.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
As much as I love running, it sucks like it's hard
, it's so hard, it's always hardlike even goggins talks about
that.
It sucks like um yeah, I thinkit's never enjoys a single run.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, and he's like sometimes I'll sit and look at
my shoes for 15 minutes and thenfinally lace them up and go out
the door and everyone dealswith it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I feel that in my soul I sit in front of the gym
for like 20 minutes sometimesand I'm just like I don't want
to go in here I know, but it'slike I'm going to, you gotta get
it done.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Yeah, I think that's huge, like overcoming that.
I don't want to call it theweak voice in your head, but
like the one that tells you notto the comfort voice yeah, the
charming ultra soft dude yeah,dude, the charming, ultra soft.
Yeah, that's the one talking toyou, it's the bears all the
time.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
It just wants you to be comfy, cozy and it's like I
don't think that's what we werebuilt for is more the more I
learned about like history, likeprimitive history, not like you
know in the last couple years,but like dude, they had it so
hard it's like they were runningdown deer and stuff.
Man, like we weren't meant tosit margaritas on a beach
permanently.
That can be a great release ifyou need that.
We were meant to chase downfreaking deer and stuff and run

(01:00:17):
away from bears.
No kidding, it's insane.
We've become so sedentary andour goal is now to be sedentary.
That's something I hope my kidstake away.
Dad wasn't sedentary.
He didn't sit on a beach forsix hours a day, Like would that
be nice.
Yeah, that sounds great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I'd go for that right now, but like we're just not
built for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Like our goals, I think, have interestingly
shifted.
It's like we want to just chilland it's like I want to keep
pushing.
I want to know, if I can get upto temp and back faster than I
did last year.
I want to know if I can breakmy record, my personal record
and a half this fall, orwhatever.
The story is you?
Know, it's like don't want tobe sedentary anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah I mean it just life makes it so easy nowadays,
like your favorite foods are areeasier to get than to actually
cook a meal just process sugarprocess everything like it
tastes so good, yeah, I wouldtake I would take a big mac any
day of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
That's the man so good, so good, so easy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
It's like but like overall it's just yeah, comfort
is the silent killer is likeeveryone, everyone says it
really is.
But it really is Like that BigMac if you have it one day
you're probably fine, but if youhave it two you might feel bad.
But then add that up over youknow a few weeks and it's like
now you got some extra weight onyou or maybe I don't know, but

(01:01:46):
like it's not going to be goodfor you.
Yeah, so it's.
It's not gonna be good for you.
Yeah, so yeah, you get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Discipline is huge, and then consistency is like
what carries you across thefinish line.
Yeah, oh absolutely.
Getting started is always thehardest part, yeah staying in
there like I didn't think I had.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
I was worried about the time I had to try and train
for, like the 70 um, becauseit's a lot like I yeah, what was
that like people train for afull, because that would be like
double what I was doing,because it's a lot.
Yeah, what was that likeSetting up the training?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
program.
I still mind boggled how peopletrain for a full, because that
would be like double what I wasdoing and it just made me
realize how undisciplined I waswith my time.
I thought I was being affectedwith my time because I was doing
all this running, all this gymwork, working a job, raising
kids, whatever and it was like,turns out, I had a lot more time
.
I just had to be disciplinedabout it and not scroll TikTok

(01:02:32):
as much and not do whatever Iknow.
And so it was a big eye opener.
And since the 70 is finishedI've actually felt kind of lazy
because I'm just like man, I'mnot utilizing my time as
efficiently because I don'tnecessarily have to.
Right now I need to ramp upagain because I go into the
Spudman triathlon next month.

(01:02:53):
But like it made me realize howinefficiently we use our time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yeah, man Like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I was able to do a lot of that training with very
minimal impact At least.
I don't know we could probablycross check this with my wife
but like very minimal impact onlike home responsibilities or
kid responsibilities.
It was like I was able to justbuild in these times to work out
that made sense and didn't takeaway from too many things.

(01:03:19):
You do have to make somesacrifices.
You know it's not, you're notgoing to get away totally
scot-free, but like make somesacrifices and just discipline.
And it was great because I knewagain I'm not one who wants to
go into an event unprepared.
So, I knew I needed to makethat time and make it happen and
thankfully, whatever with myupbringing, I have kind of that

(01:03:44):
resiliency in my mind where it'slike I'm going to make this
happen because I know I need to.
But yeah, it's efficiency withtime, it's just Dude.
Yeah, it's efficiency with time, it's just dude, it's, it's
it's important.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
It really is like yeah, you, you got to do it and
my brother's running into thatnow because he has two um two
girls that are two years old andthen a four-year-old kid, so
he's got twins and that's a lotat a young age, yeah, and like
him and his wife.
They try and run all the timeand it's like they have to, he's
.
He always tells me he has towake up like 5 am on a saturday

(01:04:19):
just to get it done before thekids get up and um.
But you know, he's.
He's like it's a sacrifice.
And one thing I loved in cam'sbook undeniable was he said that
.
And one thing I loved in Cam'sbook Undeniable was he said that
passion requires sacrifice.
He's like if you're passionateabout something, then you'll
have to learn how to make thetime for it.

(01:04:39):
And he talks about it with bowhunting.
He always makes sure to shootarrows every day, like lift run
shoot every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
That's what he does.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
And he's like I'll be successful if those three
things are done.
And it might just be coming upwith that.
He's like I'll be successful ifthose three things are done.
It might just be coming up withthat.
What are the most importantthings you need to get done
today?
Just trying to add it to that.
It's cool.
What's next dude?
What's next on the horizon?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
5K this weekend and then Spartan, we're doing
Spartan, up at Snow Basin, doingthe big one this year the Beast
.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
What is a Spartan race?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Spartan up at Snow Basin Doing the big one this
year the Beast.
What is a Spartan race?
Is it obstacles?

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It's basically like a Tough Mudder on roids Really
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Tough Mudder was great.
It was definitely challenging.
Spartan is like that next levelof push.
I don't know, that's my opinion.
Maybe some disagree, but that'show I felt, especially because
they do the one here in utahsnow basin and that is tough,
and elevation, heinous elevationit's disgusting my friends that
like got me into it last year.
They're like oh, you're a runner, you'll be just fine yeah and I

(01:05:41):
was like, okay, cool, so Iwasn't thinking like too much of
it.
And then it's like the runningis straight up the freaking hill
.
I couldn't run.
You can't run straight uphill,you're just walking.
It was like power hiking andyeah.
So, and now last year we didthe super, which is roughly a
10K.
My watch said it was like sevenand a half, so I'm loosely
classified as a 10K.

(01:06:01):
So we'll see if this the beastis supposed to be like a half
marathon.
Oh nice, but I've heard it'slike a little more I've heard
it's so much elevation gain, doyou?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
know how much it is total, I don't I should but I
think I've avoided looking at ityeah, I mean you'll find I
don't want to get in my headabout it like, oh, if I have to
climb 2 000 feet, yeah, goingwith some ignorance, I mean oh
man, but that's next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
And then spudman um, which is an olympic distance
triathlon up in idaho oh, nice,okay so doing that one, and then
the big one on my plate for theyear is st george marathon that
that's.
That's a sweet one, dude I'veyeah, I'm excited I've completed
250k, so I've never actuallyrun a marathon really I mean,
you know, a legitimate marathonyeah I've done the 250s, and so

(01:06:48):
this will be my first marathon.
It's's a big deal.
I'm trying to like really manageexpectations.
I've got my one.
Buddies like you need to breakthree and it's like no,
absolutely not Like, not yet youknow, we'll get there.
I need to get there.
I want to qualify for Bostonone day.
Um, I want to qualify in thisage of years left.

(01:07:10):
I want to get Boston while it'sstill like in this harder age
group you know, Um, so that'slike my big focus.
I want to see where I'm at thisfall in St George and then we'll
see.
Maybe try for Boston quality atOgden next year, that's awesome
.
Cause now they've put frickingpenalties on all the downhill

(01:07:31):
ones.
Yeah, you got to pick onethat's only got a little bit of
downhill.
That's crazy.
So ogden was one of the onesthat didn't catch a penalty, so
I think that's gonna have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Is it five seconds at ?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
least five minutes.
Five minutes, so saint george.
So if you get like a 225,george was a five or a 10 minute
penalty I know the bigcottonwood is a 10 minute
penalty, so you got to run a 245now oh my and then there's
still everybody still says youhave to have that buffer, so
really you've got to do like a242 if you're going to do big
cottonwood, which dylan's goingto try and do.

(01:08:01):
I wish the best for him.
That's tough yeah, 242 is fast,dylan, you got it yeah so I'm
hoping, if things go well inoctober we'll try for ogden um
next ogden's like may I thinkit's may of 26 try for a boston
attempt there.
But that's like my next bigfocus.

(01:08:24):
I want to get to boston afterboston.
I mean I want to qualify.
I'm not I don't know if we'llactually go back, but like yeah,
I want to qualify right.
I'm not I don't know if we'llactually go back, but like I
want to qualify Right, I wantthat little check Mark.
And I want my kids to know youknow like dad qualified in the
hardest age group.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I mean, yeah, it's cool.
Like I think that's you, youtotally could do it, man, like
so that's the goal.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
And then after after that, honestly, I do, in a few
years, want to start pushingtowards the longer stuff 50-mile
, 100-mile.
I don't know about more thanthat, but at least I do want to
get into the more ultra realm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
The 50K is fun and terrible which makes me scared
to do this To do 50 as well.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Everything I've heard about them is they're much
slower than anything else, and Ithink that would be the
Redeemer is like, because we weopened dylan's like nine ish
minute miles or less and thatwas great for you know, six ish,
ten ish miles and then afterthat, it was you know I can
imagine it was just like way toofast.
All right, story of every race.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Though I have no control, I'm trying to get
better at pacing and not openingfull speed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
That's what killed me .
At the same 5K last year Iopened at like a 6.42, which was
really fast for me last year.
But the problem was the firsthalf mile of that 6.42 was
probably like a 5.50 pace, so Ijust cooked myself in the first
half mile of a 5K Dang man, Iwas like idiot Like all right, I

(01:09:54):
was way too hyped to get offthe off the line, and so this
year we're gonna try to yeah,you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
You got a redeem, a lot more disciplined about
pacing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
I'm not gonna blow the first 800 and then die I
love it, man, and then hopefullynext year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Are they doing the wasatch back next year for
ragnar?

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
they better be.
They're supposed to have doneit this year.
I'm still bummed that we didn'tdo that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I'm so sad, but they canceled it, right, they didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
do it.
They canceled it.
Something about permits, Ithink?
Yeah, did you know?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
that.
That's like the hardest Ragnarin the US.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Is it really?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, so you just keep dude, like you keep
choosing them.
So that's rad.
But yeah, we should do that.
We should get a group togetheragain.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
So yeah, well, kylie was on the right path.
She's like we're gonna get afaster group this time yeah and
I mean everybody did great lastyear, but always your
improvement for speed you know,so I think it'd be really fun to
get a quicker group and reallysend it so we could do.
Oh yeah, see how many kills wecan get yeah, since we didn't
get a chance to avenge our titlethis year, we gotta that's

(01:10:53):
right avenge it next year, getthat gold medal in corporate
yeah, no one's taking that fromus, man, no one's taking the
corporate medal from us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Come on oh man.
Well, sweet man, um, beforewrapping up, anything else you
you want to say or um, sharewith the audience um, man,
honestly, I'm just like I'mreally grateful for what, like,
endurance has done for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I feel like I'm a whole new person than I was at
29.
Yeah, um, so in just a fewshort years, I feel like I've
really I don't know reallylearned a lot about myself.
I didn't know if I had thatkind of mental toughness, and I
feel like, after some of thefinishes that I've willed myself
through, like, um, I know a lotmore about myself now, a lot
more than I thought I did, and Inot everybody wants to know

(01:11:45):
more.
Um, goggins was a big one who'stalked about.
Just he wants to know how farhe can go yeah and one day my
wife asked me she's like why Iwas complaining about something.
Admittedly, like I signed upfor these things and it does
suck like anybody who's kind ofpreaches that this doesn't suck
is a liar.

(01:12:05):
It's what I was complainingabout.
It's like, you know, you don'thave to do this, and I was like.
I know I was like, but I alsohave to do this.
You know, yeah, and I was haveto do this and I was like.
I know I was like, but I alsohave to do this.
You know, and I was trying toexplain to her that concept of
like I want to know what I'mcapable of, and I know it's
going to take, you know, a longtime to get there, to truly
figure out when properly trained, with enough time, you know
what we're actually capable of.

(01:12:25):
And she didn't really haveinterest in finding that out and
was like and that's, you know,that's totally fine.
Yeah, but something flipped inmy brain a few years ago that,
like, I do want to know.
I want to know how far I canpush it, what my body is capable
of and if I have what it takesto get there yeah and so I'm
glad that I've I've started.

(01:12:46):
I'm glad I found this community,these, this is what I tend to
be drawn to.
Now I've kind of my friendgroups have shifted a little bit
over the last couple yearsbecause I just get more drawn to
, like you know, I want to spendmore time with people who are
pushing themselves people whoare working harder.
Jace and I, we grew up togetherbut we weren't like, you know,
bff or anything.
But I, after the last like yearand a half, I would honestly

(01:13:09):
say he's one of my closestfriends now it's just because,
like, I feel like we're both,you know, drawn to that similar
mindset of like pushing yourself, getting better.
Yeah, um, and even dylan, youknow, we, we knew each other in
the past and didn't I mean notthat we ever fell totally out of
contact, but it's like nowwe're a lot closer than before

(01:13:29):
and things because we're bothchasing similar things.
Yeah, I love being around thatenergy, you know there's.
Plenty of other people havetalked about how surround
yourself with people who aregoing to make you better yeah
and so I love doing that, andstrava has been like a good one,
because it's like I can keep intouch with all these people who
are also pushing themselves tobe better and and that's I don't

(01:13:52):
, that's all I hope to leavewith, like my kids, with anybody
who does listen to.
This is just like find whatmakes you tick, you know, find
your reason to keep going,whether it's kids or health or
whatever.
Knowing for yourself that wasjust the biggest one.
For me, to be honest, is I wantto know if I can do it and yeah,

(01:14:13):
I feel like it's fun to pushyour limits, see what you're
made of um because you learn alot about yourself.
Sometimes you learn you're notstrong enough to complete a task
you know or get humbled alittle bit oh yeah, running is
so humbling.
You get passed by someone.
You're just like, yeah, no wayyou just passed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
That's super judgmental, but it's like it's
so humbling it's amazing and Ilove it for that yeah, yeah,
that's really all I appreciateyou having me dude dude, of
course, seriously, thank you, I,I literally, I echo everything
that you said, because that'sreally it is.
For me, it's like how how farcan I go?
Yeah, and then what can I learnabout myself along the way?

(01:14:52):
Because you do, you learn.
You're not someone who quits.
If you sign up for these andyou commit to finishing.
Like you said in the beginning,it doesn't matter if it's a
failure.
It's about not quitting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Just keep going.
I can fail, I can't quit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yeah, goggins even says he looks at failures as
attempts.
Yeah, and pretty easy thing forus to do as well.
Yeah, because you will fail onthis journey.
Right, maybe not fail, but itwon't go the way that you
imagine it to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah, and during those times.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Yeah, it's like you got to remember that it's not
the end of the road.
You can keep going, just don'tquit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
So it's just you against you, man.
Yeah, I love that for the, forthis sport.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
You know, it's awesome, it's fun, yeah but yeah
, man, I appreciate you comingon and, um, yeah, it's been fun
like watching your journey andand running with you random
times like the ragnar and thendylan's birthday and yeah dude
um, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Hopefully it doesn't stop so yeah, we'll have to get
some runs in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
We'll get some.
I appreciate you coming on.
Everyone else, thank you somuch for listening to this
podcast.
As always, keep getting afterit.

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