August 12, 2025 • 50 mins
This one’s personal.
In two months, I’ll toe the line at my next ultra 31 miles through the Canyonlands. I’ve done this before, but this race is different. I’m carrying new lessons, some from the trail and some from the weight room, but most from the setbacks that nearly pulled me out of the game altogether.
Injuries have a way of humbling you. They strip away your ego, your timelines, your illusion of control. This year, Ally's knees forced her to slow down—not just her pace, but her entire approach.
Mobility, strength, patience, recovery… the things I once brushed off as optional became non-negotiable.
Running is the perfect metaphor for life. You don’t get to choose the terrain, but you can choose how you meet it. Every race, every training run, is a conversation with discomfort. Sometimes it’s a whisper. Sometimes it’s a shout. But if you stay in the fight long enough, you start to realize the finish line isn’t just a place, it’s a person you become along the way.
This episode is about persistence. It’s about discipline. And it’s about the quiet, unseen work that makes the visible moments possible.
Three Takeaways:
- Longevity is built on the boring stuff — strength training, mobility, recovery, and nutrition are the pillars that keep you in the game.
- Everything good is on the other side of hard — whether it’s the last painful mile or a personal setback, the breakthrough lives just past the moment you want to quit.
- Your journey is yours alone — stop comparing your chapter two to someone else’s chapter ten; progress is personal, and patience is a discipline in itself.
–––––––––––––––––-
Website: Keepgettingafterit.com
Follow on X: @bcrossell
Subscribe on YouTube: @gettingafteritpodcast
Follow on Instagram: @bcrossell
Follow on TikTok: gettingafterit_podcast
I hope today’s episode sparked something within you to pursue your dreams and unlock your true potential. If you found value in it, consider sharing it with someone who might need that same push.
Getting After It is for those who. want to silence their self-doubt. Refuse to be owned by comfort. Understand their limits are man-made and breakable. We live in a time of constant comparison. Social media drowns us in highlight reels and overnight success stories. But what most people don’t see is the grit behind it all. The reps. The quiet mornings. The sacrifices. The failures.
You are just getting started.
Keep Getting After It.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's true.
Maybe we should get after it.
All right, I'm ready.
That's important.
So this episode, I don't know.
One thing that I always talkabout with this show is how it's
a compilation of things that Iwish I would have learned when I
was younger.
And now it's kind of differentand we're in an interesting
situation with.
I've ran an ultra race beforeand now I'm training for another
(00:22):
one, october 25th.
It's coming up Almost twobefore, and now I'm training for
another one, october 25th.
It's coming up almost twomonths out.
I learned a lot in the firstthat I'm going to take into this
next one I need to learn allthose tips and tricks.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what's super interesting about this is like
you're doing great, like I thinkyou'll be fine, you're being so
nice.
We know it's been a rough yearfor me with running.
What I'm saying is you're doinggreat.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Like I think you're going to be fine, You're being
so nice.
We know it's been a rough yearfor me with running.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
What I'm saying is you're doing great getting back
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, getting back into it two months before the
race is a little scary.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, let's talk about that because I think
that's an important thing for alot of people to understand is
like and I'm not saying peoplelook at us and put us on a
pedestal when they think ofrunning.
I don't think that's the caseat all.
I think people just definitelydo not do that no, I think it's
just, people see our consistencyand maybe they're like oh,
that's, you know, maybe I wantthat.
I don't know, I might take thatpart out.
(01:16):
I don't like what I just saidpeople aren't putting us on a
pedestal okay, all right goodyeah, take that part out.
Anyways, it's interesting youhear these stories about people
who are unbelievable.
I think of Cameron Haynes,Truett, all those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, outliers.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, but you don't really see they deal with their
own injuries and they deal withtheir own setbacks, kind of in
their own different ways.
But kind of walk through whathappened to you, when did it
start and what actually happenedand how are you overcoming.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, a couple things about the other guys you were
just talking about.
I feel like I don't know if wesee their injury side all that
much.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, kind of.
I mean, Cameron Haynes was like, yeah, I have a broken foot and
he ran the Cocodona 250.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right?
Do we know how he broke hisfoot?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I think just overuse or something, I don't know right
.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I feel like we don't get many details actually about
people's injuries and, likesally, she just had like knee
surgery and stuff.
I'm like, oh, no one mentionedthat, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I think they don't want to tell people.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I don't think it's like lack of wine to tell people
.
I think to them it does matter.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They're like they're going to keep doing what they're
going to do anyways.
So it's a hiccup and they'regoing to move on.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's one thing that I struggle with is it cripples
me.
I am not the same type ofstrength.
I am not those type of people.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
What do you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
mean strength.
These people are like.
They go through, obviously, alot of injuries, like Sally with
her heel, like the freakingulcer from her ultra.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And her knee that she's got surgery on and Cam's
broken foot and still ran like200 miles Like if I broke my
foot.
No, sir, I'm not even walkingupstairs, like absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I just throw you on my back, like Yoda will take you
up there.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, put me in your backpack.
I'll put you in the backthere's no way I'd be doing all
this crazy stuff.
So they're like different breedand I think that's maybe why
they don't talk about injuriesas much, because they're going
to do the thing anyways, yeah, alot of the time, and maybe they
wouldn't even advertise thatbecause, like, if it doesn't
work for somebody else, likethey know they're probably
different that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they're very disciplined and consistent and
they've been doing it for years,right?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
so they know like what their bodies can and can't
do, and so maybe it'd give thewrong message to like run
through certain injuries forpeople who are not like on their
level.
Um, because even with youtalking about the type of stuff
that you run through, otherpeople are mad about it, but
they're actually just weenies,you know, and so it's like
everyone has different painlevels yeah seriously and
(03:50):
everyone has different painlevels and um can push the
different stuff.
So maybe that's why people don'ttalk about their injuries that
much.
For me, as I'm saying like thismight be a reason my knees hurt
.
No, um, I don't know whathappened.
I didn't have.
I think what happened maybe isin March.
I think I had a little bit ofoveruse.
I think maybe I had runner'sknee or something for my left
(04:12):
knee Really sharp pain when Iran underneath the kneecap, kind
of all around the bottom of mykneecap.
Outside I definitely have tightIT bands.
That's got to be a factor.
But I'm thinking I was babyingit a little much and
overcompensating on my rightknee, the right knee, I remember
like the second I heard it likeit was so fine up until
(04:34):
mid-july was that when we wereat the gym?
yeah, okay, yeah, I rememberthat that was sad I was like
that was like a week out fromthe marathon we were gonna run
um the grandma's marathon, and Iwas like, okay, I need to hit
like 20 miles today or else II'm not gonna be ready for the
marathon because my left kneehas been bothering me.
So I pulled back so much onrunning in like april and may,
(04:58):
or maybe it was may, june, umand then july.
Like you didn't run very much atall yes, I haven't been running
much at all this summer so it'slike if I can't pull 20 miles
I'm not ready for grandma's,first of all.
Second of all depends on thepain level, because if I can run
through it, that's one thing,if I can just finish, but if
it's something that I'm gonnadnf or like have to limp to the
a station and they go cart mesomewhere, I don't know, just
(05:20):
zooming around mario, but I haveso many good references I can
make.
So I was like I got to do 20miles.
If I can't, I'm not probablygoing to run grandma.
And I was running, felt great,like this is awesome.
And then, boom, right knee waslike see ya, that was like the
(05:42):
sharpest.
That hurt actually so bad.
I was like ready to cry, Icouldn't even walk on it.
I was like halfway through my,that was like the sharpest pain.
That hurt actually so bad.
I was like ready to cry, Icouldn't even walk on it.
I was like halfway through myrun stopped right then.
And so then my right knee's beenthe issue.
So I'm like so my left knee, Ithink, might've been overuse.
Right knee felt more injurythan left, but regardless, I've
just been having such sharppains.
So, in order to build back ourfriend, obviously, is a physical
(06:07):
therapist, brinley.
You had her on the podcast andshe's been giving me exercises.
You've been giving me exercises.
I've been focused a lot thissummer on strength training
rather than running, which isfrightening knowing that we have
a 50k coming up in two months.
So trying to build back thosemuscles really and flexibility,
mobility, that's what I've beenworking on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's important, it's frustrating it's um.
You know I love math, so it'salmost like an equation for
everything, right?
We always have equations likeyou have the training piece
right but if you're missing thestretching and the mobility
piece, you're gonna have issues.
If you're missing the strengthtraining piece, you're gonna
have issues.
If you're missing the strengthtraining piece, you're gonna
have issues, so many issues.
(06:49):
So it's like you need the andthen the recovery also.
So there's maybe four steps tothis equation, five steps
actually, nutrition.
Throw that in there too.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But that's also part of recovery.
So actually we'll combine thatas one well, I wouldn't even say
it's just part of recovery,because nutrition prior to
working out yeah, but like thathelps with recovery in the end.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, like as long as you're feeling your body right.
But okay, for this instance,you need training plus
stretching, plus mobility, plusstrength, plus recovery, plus
nutrition, nutrition plus somegood music, and then you'll.
That equals results so if youcan do seven steps, well, I mean
(07:30):
that just kind of shows likewhat needs to go into it?
Right, it's like I think a lotof people they just think like,
oh, yeah, running, like you justget out and run.
It's like, yeah, that's true, Ithink a lot of people have
success with that like there'smany runners out there who I
don't think are bench pressing.
Um, I mean, you could just, youknow, it's an easy thing to
skip upper body.
(07:50):
Yeah, it's like I think if youwant to get good at running,
like that makes total sense,like have that be your passion,
have that be your main focus.
But I believe in from my ownexperience and from seeing other
people talk about theimportance of strength training
and stretching and taking careof your body, like that's what
leads to long-term success andlongevity and running and that's
(08:12):
ultimately both of our goals Ithink like we're not stopping
running.
Team Tim is every year, so wehave at least have that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But it's important to take care of yourself and like
what have you learned throughthis process?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How much time it all takes Because I would go to the
gym.
Yeah, I'd go to the gym, golift maybe, do 30 minutes of
cardio go home, not includingthe stretching, the mobility,
all that foam rolling.
I feel like I spend so muchmore time, which is tough for me
because I'm so impatient.
(08:46):
One thing I've really beenfocusing on is slowing down and
being intentional.
Because I was able to squat somuch more and stuff, because I
was just like going quicker, Iwas just like probably form
wasn't so great and then I waslike, okay, I'm going to refocus
on my muscle to brainconnection and slowing down and
(09:09):
counting the rep Slow, you know,like four seconds down or
whatever, and pausing at thebottom or all these things.
So my gym sessions have becomea lot slower, which has been
hard for me.
I think I have ADHD or something.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
No, I think it's tough.
Like being intentional isdifficult because it does
require a lot of time, but it'sso crucial to do that, like to
actually go through the steps tomake sure you're doing it right
, because, like you said, itcould lead to injury if you
aren't doing it right, if youaren't taking your time, if
(09:45):
you're just trying to rushthrough.
And I've had both experienceswith like kind of that approach.
Like you get in the gym, you goas fast as you can just to get
the workout done, so you can bedone, and it's almost like a
chore that you check off.
Recently and by recently I meanlike the past few years um,
(10:05):
I've changed my mindset aroundthe gym and now it's like I feel
like I'm getting stronger, Ifeel like I'm getting better if
I just go slower.
And uh, dr Mike Izzertill um,yeah yeah, it's the guy Um, but
he's great.
He's been on Chris Williamson'spodcast.
I think he has a podcast of hisown.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I think he's on Huberman too.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He might have been on Huberman actually.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Anyways, carry on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But he talks about, like, the importance of slowing
down, and he always says likewhen you're going down with the
weight, like if it's a benchpress and you're going down, or
if it's like a squat and you'relike lowering, you should go
slow and then, at the bottom,explode up right because that's
like a different muscle thatyou're using and um, that kind
of training sucks, like I'vebeen doing that, it's it's hard
(10:53):
like I don't know.
You might see me at the gym likedoing dumbbell presses or
whatever, and you just it lookslike I'm just going in slow
motion you count how manyseconds you go down or it's just
a feeling You're just going inslow motion?
I just try and go slow motion,really, yeah, because I feel
like if I'm counting then Ifocus on the numbers, but if I'm
just trying to go slow, I'mdoing the motion itself.
You're the feeling.
(11:13):
I try and feel it in my pecs.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, I feel like recently because I'm more,
because I it reminds me to slowdown.
Yeah, because, say, for benchpress in this example, I'll just
like go down, up, down, up.
You know, it's like two secondseach way.
And as I've been thinking aboutbeing more intentional and
really like dialing in themotion, the form and stuff,
(11:38):
counting like makes me like okay, like I have to keep like
moving, or else I think it'slike four seconds and it's
actually like one you know, andso like for me that helps
because I'm so used to goingfast with everything I do,
especially like movement andtalking.
I move, I go fast.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's a good distinction to make, though it's
like I just said, I don't count.
You just said you count, andthat's one thing that fitness
kind of makes difficult for alot of people is there's so many
voices out there that tell themlike, hey, you should do this,
you should do this, and andmaybe you should, maybe you
should try it and see if itworks out for you.
But that's the thing is, it's avery personal endeavor.
(12:15):
Um, what works for me might notwork for you.
What works for you might notwork for me, right, and so like,
with what we're saying, likethe people, people who are
listening, take it with a grainof salt.
Try it yourself, right, seewhat works for you and build a
routine around that.
Like that's kind of what's goodis like now, because I've been
doing this training, like I feellike I'm in a routine, I feel
like I know what works for meand how to tie that into running
(12:38):
.
Like still have my focus there.
But you're right, it is a timesuck, it's a lot it is.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And one thing actually that I didn't really
consider when I was firststarting my knee issues was I
honestly didn't really know thedifference between, like,
stretching and mobility.
I thought, like you're beingmobile, that's stretching and
that's flexibility yeah but I'vebeen learning a lot recently
about what it means to actuallydo mobility and I don't know,
(13:09):
like, do you have like a certaincircuit you do, or anything
like what do you do for mobility?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
yeah, is it different ?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
every day for you, uh yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's different for me every day, like, but I'll do it
when I'm working out, so likein between exercises when I'm
squatting or something.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, just cause, like I don't know, it works for
me, saves time.
Saves time Kind of mixes it in,and then, like I'm still
resting in between, cause I'mnot, I don't have 250 pounds on
my back, so like I don't know,I'm able to do more things like
that.
Um, but for me, stretching is abig one because I feel like my
mobility, like obviously I doexercises that are specific to
(13:47):
that, like you put a kettlebellor a band around your foot and
you lift your leg up with yourhip flexors, those kind of
things.
Or you put a kettlebell or aband on your foot and you do
tibialis raises, like so ithelps your shins.
Even that one stupid, I don'tknow what this is called, but
it's the one exercise.
I don't think it's mobility,it's a strength one, um, but you
(14:09):
put your legs in it, you facethe ground and you go down.
It's like you're.
So this is your body, you'relike that oh, like it's like it
works your butt yeah, but likeyou're
like leaning over it yeah, andthat's the thing that, like I've
come to understand, is likeokay, well, what muscles do I
learn in running?
This is like a recent thing.
You and I have been talkingabout this a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I know this was so frustrating.
We've been running for so long.
It feels like I've been doingTeam Tim since 2019.
Also, I never really tried withTeam Tim until like a year or
two ago, so that doesn't count.
So we so we've been running forlike two years and we learn
something literally every day.
I swear like we've been talkingabout the different muscles
we've been using.
All of a sudden we're like oh,that's so smart to work out
(14:50):
hamstrings more like that is thedumbest thing that it took us
so long to like, reallyemphasize yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's part of the journey as much as like it's
it's.
It's frustrating to like lookback and have that hindsight
2020 vision, being like, oh man,I could have done things so
much different, but at least youlearned it now.
Like at least we're gettingbetter now, right, and another
great example like some peoplewho want to start their running
journey like maybe they'll sitdown and be like, okay, I need
(15:19):
to do mobility, I need to dostrength, I'm going to have it
all planned out.
But for someone like you and me, it's like, hey, let's just go
figure it out and understandwhat we need to change.
And unfortunately, with thatmindset.
It's like the knee thing comesup right, um so.
And then you learn after thefact right and so it's not the
best, but I mean pain's a greatteacher, um, so you will learn.
I learn like I have hip issuesfrom time to time, but doing
(15:43):
mobility and stretching and allthose things like it helps take
care of it.
There's this quote from AbrahamLincoln.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You love your presidents.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, why did I say his name like that though?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Lincoln.
But he says discipline ischoosing between what you want
now and what you want most.
And with this example thatwe're talking about now, it's
like, okay, well, discipline,like you can choose what you
want now, which if you're at thegym, you don't want to do your
mobility, you don't want tostretch, like you can choose
that.
But if you want to usediscipline, you should choose
(16:18):
what you want later, what youwant most, which is a healthy
body, strong joints, like allthose things, and that requires
mobility or requires stretching,requires strength training and
running all those things.
And so I think it's just beingdisciplined with your time,
sometimes like understandingwhere that's at, um, but yeah, I
mean, it's difficult I don'tknow if my, I don't know where
(16:42):
my dad got this quote, but heused to say it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Sometimes he'd say, um, everything good is on the
other side of hard, and I'msurprised we haven't talked
about that before actually youand I, yeah, but I think it's a
good point.
Like you, have to get over thathurdle in order to see the
progress, to be able to become abetter person, to just progress
(17:06):
in all aspects of life.
And as I think about that, withlike running like running itself
is hard, but overcoming theissues is also hard.
Yeah, so it's like they bothsuck.
But also being a catch potatois hard in its own way, because
then I can't move, I can't doanything right.
So everything is its ownversion of hard, and obviously
(17:27):
hard is relative right yeah,thank you, um, and so choosing
that hard, what you want to bedisciplined in like.
If you're choosing the hardthing, though, the other side is
going to be rewarding yeah,it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Here's another analogy that's not running
related okay so when I was a kid, my parents had this rule that
if we wanted anything, we had toearn the money and go buy it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Which I think is a great rule.
Like, taught me how to work.
They didn't give me things on agolden platter and, being the
baby, that was a risk, so shoutout to the parents.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Anyways, it's so funny because at the time you're
like this sucks, my parentssuck.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You know it's like hey doing hard things or
whatever.
And then you grow up and you'relike that was great parenting,
good job, I always had fun, likeI always had a good time doing
the things.
Um, I guess it depends.
I can remember one time drewand I really wanted lego star
wars.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It just came out it was the first lego star.
No way lego star wars.
Holy smokes, how old are you?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know I was like, probably like nine or ten.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's really cool, baby Twice.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Lego Star Wars was ahead of its time.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Ahead of its time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Wow, you could be a Lego guy.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm so happy for you.
I really am.
Anyways, we really wanted thisgame.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Right, it's like something we've.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A game.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, lego Star Wars is a game is a game.
I thought it was a lego pieceset, no, okay, ahead of his time
, onward, onward, um.
And so we wanted this game.
So, bad, right, and my mom's,like you, gotta earn money for
it.
And so we went to the store, webought a bunch of sodas, we
bought a bunch of waters, and mymom was having a garage sale
(19:08):
the next day and so we sat outthere and I, we sold waters.
I think they were like twodollars for a water, three
dollars for, uh, a soda.
No, no, it was not that high Iwas saying when you were 10 yeah
, but um, anyways, we had like,by the end of the day, like 65
dollars, that's cool, and wewent and bought lego star wars
and it was like so rewarding,but we had to sit out there in
(19:31):
the heat for like five hours todo it.
Right, it was a little lessonas a little kid.
But basically, you know, wecouldn't have done that and I'm
sure if my grandma because shewas the gift giver we could have
asked her be like Grandma, canwe please have Lego Star Wars?
She probably would have done it.
That's funny, but but who knows, maybe I wouldn't have
(19:54):
appreciated it as much.
Long way to say, sometimes itdoes pay, almost every time it
pays to do the difficult thingBecause it leads to a better
future.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I don't even know when, it would ever not be the
better thing.
I mean, maybe you can do adifficult thing and you fail,
but the lessons learned likeseems to still be worth it.
I don't know really what badthings come from being
disciplined and doing hardthings.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, I love Alex Ramosi's perspective on
this because he always talksabout it.
He's like before I wassuccessful, I had seven failed
businesses.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And that, like I'm not a business owner, I have
getting after it.
It's getting there, to where westart making some money and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's getting after it .
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's getting after it there, but like if that failed
I would have such a hard time tobe like okay, well, Like first
seven didn't work.
What's next?
Like let's do another one.
And that continues six moretimes.
And then you're like, okay, I'mgoing to do it again.
And then that one finally takesoff Like that's insane, like
that's a different type ofpersistence and he does talk
(21:14):
about all the time.
Like he's grateful for thoseexperiences, because they taught
him so much right um and Ithink it's only like um.
One of my favorite talks um okayyeah, president, elder, elder,
now elder dietrich uchtdorf um,he actually quotes Steve Jobs
(21:39):
okay, so Steve Jobs quoteactually Steve Jobs, but you
can't connect the dots.
You can't connect the dotslooking forward, you can only
connect them looking backwards.
Um, I think a lot of thatapplies to like learning, those
difficult lessons and all thatstuff.
So Steve Jobs through ElderUchtdorf.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So perspective changes a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I feel like I noticed that I mean going back to
running a little bit.
Is I get so frustrated becauseI didn't run much this summer
and it's easy?
To be living in the moment andyou're like, okay, this sucks, I
literally barely run.
Like summer, and it's easy tobe living in the moment and
you're like, okay, this sucks, Iliterally barely run.
Like I did 15 miles on Saturday.
That's the longest run I've hadsince.
I even know when.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Team 10 maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Team 10 was 13 miles.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh yeah.
So I was thinking like Ihaven't beat 15.
Yeah, Like 15 miles as far asI've gone.
I don't beat 15.
Yeah, Like 15 miles as far asI've gone.
I don't know.
Yeah, since before this wholeyear probably.
Yeah, and I was like frustratedwith myself because we have a
50K coming up in two months andI'm just now getting to 15 miles
with my stupid knees.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But you got to be pumped on that.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Which are progressing .
Speaker 1 (22:46):
They're getting better, may.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I add, so it's easy to look at it and be so
frustrated because I'm just nowhitting 15.
I have so much more to dobefore then, but it's fun
because this is actually kind oflame big loser, let's go one
thing about me she loves hannahmontana I love hannah montana.
The second thing about me is agreat butt okay, thank you third
(23:07):
thing anyways.
third thing is I I don't knowwhat it is Someone runs a race.
I'm looking up that time.
If I see a bib on anyone in apost, I'm like what race is that
?
Ding ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, she's good at it too.
So if you don't want that, hideyour bibs.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, because I'm finding you.
But the other night I was likelaying in bed and I'm just like
thinking about the ultra.
So I'm looking up everybody'stimes from last year's
Canyonlands race and I'm goingthrough to see like what their
paces were and then I'm stalkingthem to see what their Strava's
(23:47):
like.
If I'm in the ballpark where Ithink I'm gonna be, I'm like
hardcore diving into this justmainly for perspective on my
part to be like okay, like whatam I like the work I'm putting
in now?
Where am I filing in?
There was only like 65 peoplethat completed it last year, not
a lot total, yeah, or 70, 74,um, and a girl came in first
(24:11):
place.
That's kind of sick.
Shout out to Helen, I think hername was.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Shout out to Helen let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't remember for sure, yeah.
So I'm kind of weird that I'mobsessed over that stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Do you think that's dangerous though?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No, I don't feel very comparing in that way.
I think it can be if it dependson how competitive you are.
I'm very competitive, but Ialso think I'm most competitive
with myself.
Where I'm looking at theirthese girls times, and I'm like
dang, like if I came in last ofthese girls.
These girls seem like freakingstuds, like I'm just happy to be
in the race, you know and yeahI'm just happy here.
(24:46):
So looking at their times, I wasjust trying to understand like
where I could be.
So I went back to my Strava justout of curiosity and was just
looking over the years and it'slike the same thing with
connecting the dots.
Looking back, it's fun to thinkbecause I was like, wow, I never
thought that I would ever beable to run a half marathon in
under like two and a half hoursRight, and now my half marathon
(25:09):
is like an hour 45 or whatever Idon't know.
And then I ran a full marathon.
Now I'm doing my first ultra,and so when I get down on myself
, I like to look back on oldStrava and be like, oh, I
actually do see progression,even though if I look at just my
yearly Strava, it's like prettypitiful with my numbers as far
(25:29):
as how many miles I've been ableto get in because of my knees.
But when pretty pitiful with mynumbers as far as how many
miles I've been able to get inbecause of my knees.
But when I look at it long termover the last six years, it's
like dang, I actually have beenprogressing and my baseline is
so much higher than it used tobe yeah and so you can still
find like confidence and eventhe seemingly small wins
absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I talk about the importance of journaling and
stuff, and it doesn't likejournaling, not necessarily in
that sense of like I'm going tosit down and write down my
thoughts, but like, yeah, havingdata to support your evidence
moving forward in the future.
It's like with anything thatyou do, you should have some
kind of idea and write downwhatever your starting point is,
if it's a hobby, if it's abusiness, if it's fitness Right,
(26:10):
and then keep doing that.
It could be a weekly thing.
But, then look back, like whenyou get discouraged, look back
at where you came from, becausethat is a really powerful tool
to use and I've done that myselfmany times.
But, yeah, I think that's agreat tip.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
As far as like, actually journaling, I didn't
tell you this, but I actuallyjournaled for the first time a
long time, like three days ago,really.
Yeah, and What'd you journalabout?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
A secret, that's fair , not a secret.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Just the fertility stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But no secrets here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No sperm either.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No secrets no sperm, but we'll see, got me good there
.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
No secrets, no sperm but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Um, you're the one that said it, man, it's like a
blow that candle out over there.
Oh my gosh, don't try torizzler this, but anyways, yikes
, I was gonna say was the lastjournal entry I had before, like
three days ago.
I think it was like November oflast year.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm like ooh Do you remember what it said though.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
In November.
Well, I looked at it the otherday, yeah, and it was
interesting reading it, becauseI don't remember writing it at
all, but it was like very muchwhat I needed the other day when
I started writing journal again.
I'm like every time I look atmy journal I'm like I love
reading back on this stuff.
Why can't I just put in thework every day to write a little
something?
So I need to get better at it.
(27:34):
But yeah, like you were saying,whether it's journaling or
whatever kind of data or anytype of information of your
current day and age, it's fun tolook back and see where you
were, where your mindset was,because that's how you recognize
progression and that's how yourecognize answers to prayer,
that's how you learn where yourmindset was, because that's how
(27:55):
you recognize progression, andthat's how you recognize answers
to prayer, or just learning allof the above, like there's so
much that you can learn fromyour past self and prep for your
future self.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What would you tell your past self now about your
journey with running?
We'll keep it running specific.
We don't have to get superpersonal.
But what would you tell thatperson new with running?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
we'll keep it running specific you know we don't have
to get too super personal.
But what would you tell thatperson?
Um well, if I was saying I wasrunning a 50k old alley, be like
yeah, right, uh, as far as howcool is that though yeah, it's
pretty cool, it's pretty badassI'm like nervous because my goal
for this 50k is to finish.
Yeah, because obviously it's myfirst race.
We have 2500 feet of elevationgain and I did like a thousand
(28:34):
the other day and I was like, oh, I found my weakness, quads and
booty.
My butt feels like somebody litit on fire with the torch.
I said I'm scared you're gonnado great but I think that if I
went back, if I had to give myold self a tip, so like if I
knew I was going to get intorunning, I'd probably say start
the mobility and stretching now,because even get ahead of it
(28:54):
yeah, even knowing now, likewhat probably my issues are with
my IT bands and um, just likemy hip flexors are so tight and
so like knowing the issues thoseare causing it's still hard to
do every single day and I knowthat's an issue I'm dealing with
.
So if I could have gotten thathabit a long time ago, I think.
(29:16):
One, I would be a lot better atpreventing injury.
But two, I think you're justsuch a so much a better or such
a better runner when you havethat strength in your hips, like
if you look at sprinters, theirhips, like their hip flexors,
are like one of the strongestout of all the athletes because
they're sprinters and they haveto have that mobility like to
(29:36):
like drive your knee forward andstuff.
Yeah, I'm like I think I wouldhave been able to get faster, a
lot quicker.
I think I think I would haveenjoyed running more.
Yeah, I think one reason thatpeople hate running is because
one, you start off too fast.
I think that's a big issue spotwith new runners is like
they're so embarrassed by the 12minute pace so you go for the
(29:58):
nine and then you hate itbecause it was miserable,
because you've never ran twomiles at a nine minute pace and
then you like, hate it and youswear it off and never do it
again, right?
The first thing with the newbeginning runners, in my opinion
, is go slow, like, keep it ascomfortable as you can, because
if it's miserable you're notgoing to do it a second time and
that's when you're screwedright.
So go slow yeah and then myother thing would be the
(30:21):
stretching and flexibility, likeif you're flexible in your
hamstrings and your hips, inthose areas, your calves, then
it's so much more enjoyablebecause the pain is so much less
.
Same with foam rolling.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I always talk about.
My first half marathon was themost pain I've ever been in as
far as muscles and I've knockedover an hour off my half
marathon time and I haven't feltas sore.
And I've ran a marathon since.
I haven't been as sore as myfirst half marathon because of
dehydration and lack ofstretching and mobility and
rolling.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You can really get ahead of a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, and so much of it starts before you ever put
your tennis shoes on.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
A thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And I'm just not figuring that out after two
years of running morecompetitively.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, everyone's on their own
journey.
So frustrating.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So if you're listening to this, if you want
to start running, that's thehack Start slow, stretch
mobility yeah, Having that typeof flexibility, it's going to
give you a lot farther, a lotfaster.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, you're going to feel a lot better too.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, then you're not going to hate it like how
everyone does in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
How I still sometimes do, but you're supposed to.
It's normal to hate running.
You like the outcome.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You don't have.
I mean, it is difficult, it's.
It's one of my favorite tiktokthings but it's a tiktok thing,
a trend?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
no, it's comments.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's a tiktok, I guess, but um, I saw this one
time and I was like you knowwhat?
Tiktok is not all.
Tiktok is not all that bad, ohnot the fedora man I kind of
think I like tiktok anyways.
Um, this is one thing that Ilove.
(32:09):
It's I don't know.
I'll show the screen.
It's just some random guy in abarn with some text, but it says
anyways, it's supposed to be aconversation between a guy and
his friends.
Yeah, I'll put it up right there.
It's between a guy and hisfriend and the guy is like, why
do you run so much?
And he basically says like, oh,you know, it's something like
(32:30):
keeps me busy, Like I like itall this stuff.
And the guy's like, yeah, butthere has to be a reason behind
it.
And then this is the friend'sresponse.
He says it's a conversationwith discomfort.
Every run there's a point whereyour body starts to protest the
ache in your legs, shortness ofbreath.
The voice telling you to stopDiscomfort shows up like an old
(32:53):
rival waiting to see if you'llback down.
It's about negotiating with it.
When the discomfort shows up,you have two choices ignore it
and keep going blindly, orlisten to what it's telling you.
It forces you to ask yourselfis it a limit or just a hurdle?
Every step beyond thatdiscomfort is like saying I know
you're there, but you don't getto decide my limits.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Boom so good when I ran my first and only, I guess,
marathon.
It was cool because after 21miles I'm like every step is the
furthest step I've ever takenand it's just that mindset of
like, just one more every step,step is a victory.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know when you were running your first ultra?
It was last July in Arizona.
Two Julys ago, oh my gosh, youknow what I meant.
Last year July.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Last year, 2024.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
When you had to face that discomfort, obviously our
minds are the first to leave.
Usually, yeah, the mind's thefirst one to be like hey, you're
done.
Face that discomfort, obviouslyour minds are the first to
leave.
Usually.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The mind's the first one to be like, hey, you're done
before your body, even thoughyour body hurts really bad.
But when you're doing yourfirst ultra, what were you
telling yourself to keep pushingpast those hurdles?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean there was a lot.
Yeah, the first two laps sucked.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Especially the second one, where I kept throwing up
every quarter mile.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That was bad.
And then like that was actually.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's not funny.
It's funny now looking back.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's funny now Because we made it through.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But watching that happen because I obviously did
the second lap with you I waslike surely he's going to stop,
you know to like throw up andstuff.
No, you just kept running,leaned off the trail, like
literally projectiled, and thenhe got back on.
Did he even like miss a beat?
I'm like still huffing andpuffing, trying to keep up with
(34:46):
you as you're just like shootingout, throw up.
Every so often.
That's the grossest description, but that's like what was going
on.
I was like, uh, is this healthy, what's going on?
I was like, uh, is this healthy, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I was nervous, I don't know.
I mean that showed up like myheadlight died a few times A few
times.
Yeah, I was like I didn't trainin the heat so I wasn't used to
how hot it was.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
The sand was the sand .
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was like yeah, running through sand was hard,
the sand was horrible.
The sand it was like, yeah,running through sand was hard
and it was windy, it was kickingup.
Yeah.
So I mean there's a lot offactors that sucked, right.
But that race was kind ofspecial for two reasons.
One is my first one, right.
So I wanted to prove to myselfthat I could do it, that I could
actually accomplish somethinglike this, and I wanted to prove
to myself that it wasn't just amental like that, it was a
(35:33):
mental game.
I mean, like I knew my bodywasn't in physical pain, it
wasn't in the best shape, but itwas in physical pain and I kept
telling myself if I could takeone more step.
That means I can keep going,and so like I would always do
that and like the reason I lovethat stupid photo comic strip
thing of an old man in a barn isbecause he says it.
(35:56):
He says it's a conversationwith discomfort and that's
really like.
Once I read that I was likethat is completely what it is
Like you are having aconversation with discomfort
that entire time, like even whenyou start, even before you
start you have all thesethoughts and that's what you
enjoy.
I mean enjoy, no, but it givesme a sense of like you can do
(36:21):
other things too, Like running.
I love it, it's a passion ofmine.
But when I say it's a metaphorfor life, like I'm not joking
around.
Like I think it's a greatmetaphor for life and that ultra
like when everything is goingwrong, if I can control my
thoughts if.
I can tell myself, hey, this isfine, like I'll make it through,
(36:43):
I'll be okay.
Then that carries a lot ofpower in it.
And so, like, if something goeswrong in my life like boom
Brett, you got no sperm it'slike, okay, we'll make it
through this, we can figure thisout.
It sucks, like it's not fun.
It's a crappy thing to gothrough.
You and I both want kids badand it kind of hurts every time
(37:04):
we go over and see like ournieces and nephews and I'm like
who knows, who knows if that'llbe soon and it's hard.
But it's like I mean, also inin the ultra, I relied on you a
lot, like we support each otherduring this, those times and, um
, I feel like running just kindof trains my brain to not run
(37:28):
away when discomfort shows up.
Instead, it's like just talk toit, talk to discomfort, have a
conversation, and so I thinkthat's one thing that like
really got me through that firstrace.
The second thing was jordan.
Um, I ran that race for jordanum, my buddy who had stage four
(37:48):
cancer at the time, but like Ikept thinking about him and you
know know he had a, uh, a battle.
He could not stop fighting andI could have dropped out at any
time in that race.
But I was like Jordan's goingthrough hell right now, his
family is suffering, like theycan't stop that, they can't just
drop out.
And so, like I wanted to finishit, for him to be like, hey,
(38:12):
you know what?
I love you man, like I'mthinking about you, I thought
about you this entire race.
You got me through this, so Ithink it was kind of like a
circumstantial thing, but thosetwo things are kind of what
pushed me through to the end.
And then you, of course, youran with me, you supported me
the whole time.
(38:32):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I can see that you got me a little tender there.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Why I?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
don't know.
Uh, I mean obviously I thinkabout Jordan's family.
That's so sad, um, andobviously it hits home cause of
my dad.
But it's neat running with apurpose.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, Like I think that's why team tim is so
powerful right like everyone's.
They're just, they're pumped up.
They're like hey, we're runningfor 10 today and you know,
people are scared, but they'renot saying it because they're
like oh people are saying itreally yeah, people have talked
about it, like most people, Imean, it's normal to get nerves
before a race.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, especially if you're unfamiliar with the
environment and how it goes.
That's normal.
It's normal to feel that way.
But I think that's.
What's neat is, like I likeherbs before a race, especially
if you're unfamiliar with theenvironment and how it goes.
That's normal, it's normal tofeel that way, but I think
that's what's neat, is like Ilike.
I like people overcoming theirfears.
Yeah, I think that's what'sreally cool.
But, um, yeah, that race wasspecial for a lot of reasons.
Like you said, what are youtaking into this ultra marathon
(39:30):
that you learned from that one?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Definitely in that mantra of like hey, just have a
conversation, talk to discomfort, see if you can negotiate with
it this comfort is gonna beat meto a pulp yeah, it's gonna it's
gonna it's gonna be on yourback it's gonna be kicking at
your hips and your knees, yeah,heavy as heck it's gonna be
throwing rocks at you.
Great, yeah, it's brutal, butit's it's worth it.
Um, so that that's definitelylike.
(39:58):
One thing I'll tell myself is,like have that conversation and
then, um, honestly, I gotta givea shout out to brayden because
his no excuses just finish likethat's what registered, huh I
think we make a lot of excuses alot of the time when we're
doing things like this,absolutely Like oh man, my knees
, this isn't you.
(40:19):
Okay, I won't use that example.
Maybe it's like oh man, Ididn't feel for this run, I'm
not going to be able to do this.
It's hot, maybe I'll just stop.
I'll just stop, that's fine.
Like you, maybe I'll just stop.
I'll just stop, that's fine.
Like you can make excusesanytime if it's a race like same
thing.
Be like oh man, not feelinggood, I'm having an asthma
(40:39):
attack.
I gotta stop.
That was me in vegas, um hatevegas and uh, anyways, it's like
what was I saying?
Don't, don't, quit yeah, don'tquit like, don't make the
excuses, don't even think aboutthe excuses there's no excuse
like don't let them even enteryour brain, and that when you
think about that, like whenthose thoughts come in, that's
(41:02):
discomfort and you say, hey, letme see if I can take one more
step, and you just push past it.
And so I know there's gonna belots of things.
I also I'm gonna be doing thepremeditation of evils come
again the premeditation of evils.
It's, uh, one of the stoicprinciples, which is you
(41:23):
basically just think of theworst case scenario that could
happen, how you would respond toit okay, what's the worst case
scenario that you're thinking of?
I'm thinking we're running inthe mountains.
It's freezing, the rain'scoming down.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
There's mud all over the trails I feel like I do so
much better in those conditionsI lose one of my electrolyte
bottles um.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
My pack gets punctured by a tree, so I lose
all my water um, my shoes.
Something happens to them andthey're they're bad, maybe I
have blisters, but like, I tryand think of the worst things to
be like, okay, well, if thishappened, how would I respond?
If this happened, how would Irespond?
And that way, if it does, I'mnot entirely surprised because I
(42:05):
thought of a situation, Ithought of the plan.
Um, I didn't do that in thefirst race, I just showed up and
I was like I'm just gonna runthis thing yeah and had no idea
what could go wrong, and so I'mfully expecting to throw up
every quarter mile on this nextone great and I'll keep going.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
But, like I, I want to think about the worst case
scenarios, because if they showup because chances are they will
I'll be ready for him but, likeevery time I run, I'm like
envisioning the finish lineevery single time and I'm like
I'm like, if I take a seven milerun, I'm like I'm seven miles
from the finish line.
I, I literally envision.
(42:44):
Obviously I'm a, I'm a dreamer,but I literally envision like
I'm in the desert, like I canpicture the whole thing, like
you're on the other side, I'mcrying, you're crying.
You're kind of a little big babysometimes, but we're both
crying you're excited to seebecause you're proud of me oh, I
probably will share it too, andI'm like one tear will come out
and that's like the vision Ikeep seeing over and over.
(43:05):
It's just me finishing crossingline, crossing line, like
that's what I see every singleday.
When I'm going to bed, I'mdreaming about that yeah like I
literally have that, just that,just that mindset, like I have
to cross the line.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
See, I love that because people that's like
manifestation right.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You think about it and it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Not true.
You're putting in the work,that'll go into that, not true
Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
I don't know, I'm just saying like in general, you
know, those people who are likeoh man, I just want a
lamborghini like mother, I'mgonna think about a lamborghini,
I think about a lamborghini?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll get it.
Yeah, that doesn't work.
You have to work for it rightso I think it's important to
envision that and be like yeah,oh, I'm gonna run the finish
line.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I'm envisioning it as I'm running.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, no all I'm saying is that it's very
different because you've put inthe work I think you'll be able
to get it done because you havethe evidence to support it.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I have a lot to do in the next two months.
What is your training lookinglike leading up to October?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Lots more time on feet, so it's starting to pick
up a little bit.
16 miles in the mountains onSaturday.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
It just stinks.
I'm in Arizona on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I know it's so hot right now.
Drew's having the same problem.
And I feel bad for Drew tooude,but I think this is a special
race for me too.
Um, because last race I ran forsomeone I loved.
This time I'm running withpeople I love.
That's cute, so that's kind ofa cool flip.
And it's you and drew bothpeople who inspire me more than
any others.
(44:28):
Like you with all the thingsthat you're doing in your life,
your motivation, your mindset,like how you push through, how
your knees bothered you and youstill fought through, like
that's inspiring, that gets meexcited and like I want to see
you do really well.
So I'm going to be proud of you.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
And then Drew, I'll let you down.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Drew in 2023 was 265 pounds Right and he swore off
running.
Last year he did his firstmarathon marathon this year he's
doing his first ultra marathon,yeah it's crazy.
I'm so proud of him.
He's a beast and like thetraining that's gone into that
like I hate.
People have given him crap, saynames.
(45:09):
People have given him crapabout his running and stuff.
But that dude worksunbelievably hard and he has
three kids.
He works a full-time job.
He's still a husband right like,and he made this entire life
change over a two-year periodright and like that is so
inspiring to me.
So I'm running with two of themost inspiring people in my life
(45:30):
, two of the people I love themost, and so, like this is gonna
be a very special race, it'sgonna be cool that's why I feel
like we're gonna be big tenderbabies I might not be a tender
but, like I said, maybe one tearwill fall I think that will
happen.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I think I'll be crying the whole way through.
I made 13 miles in on theterrain it like dips down and
then at mile 13 it's like a fatclimb for like however many
miles.
And I just know, after that 13,I'm gonna be crying the whole
way up.
I'm gonna say, dad, where areyou?
Help me, help me, he'll bethere.
You better be here.
I'll be pissed because I'malways running for him.
(46:03):
I mean, you literally got me torun 31 miles and you're not
here.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
The audacity he's like sorry, ohio state was on I
know honestly he would he went.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh, priorities yeah we love that.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, but I'm excited .
I think it'll be good I do too,so a lot of time on feet, a lot
of time on the trails lots offood my favorite part yeah, well
, it's hard to have an appetiteafter like a long run, though
for me at least yeah, I suppose,but mean it's like the day
before.
Yeah, eat some carbs the daybefore.
(46:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
kind of carbs are you eating?
Eat some candy while you'rerunning.
I can't eat candy when I run.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I mean good carbs.
Alessandra's sourdough bread ismy favorite source.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh my gosh, my sourdough starter died.
It killed us internally, yeah,so that's my favorite source for
sure, though, um bananas aregreat.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I love bananas.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
You're a big banana guy.
Yeah, um, you're a big ricecake guy I love rice cakes.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
If I'm really trying to get in the carbs, rice is
great I love rice.
Rice potatoes are my mostfavorite food potatoes are one
of my favorites, but it's hardto eat them the night before
like they're.
They're pretty starchy.
Um, it starts not good.
It doesn't sit well with me,like.
I think it's fine to eat themthe night before Like they're
pretty.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
starchy Is starch not good.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It doesn't sit well with me, like I think it's fine
for some people, but like it'skind of heavy.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I see.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Usually when you go for a carb source when you're
running, you want like a lightercarb.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Pasta's fine.
I just wouldn't eat a lot oflike the sauces and stuff.
Oh, yeah, because you don'twant a lot of grease and you
don't want a lot of protein.
This is if you're carb loading.
If it's like the night before,you're probably fine, but if
you're carb loading.
It's like I think 75% of yourcalories will come from carbs.
(47:47):
That's a good amount.
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's a disgusting amount.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
That's going to be a tough thing mentally.
I'm sure I don't feel like itis.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
it is always yeah, it's hard for me mentally
actually, um to carb loadbecause, like I, I mean you get
a little bit bloated because youhave more water retention, all
that stuff and like I don't knowit's like against everything
you've ever talked about, rightlike but it always pays off.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's why I hate it because it works that's
interesting so and then proteinright after, or what are you
eating after, after the runs?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah, protein for recovery Protein.
Yeah, shout out to Spence forthat tip.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't think it's required, but if you want to
recover faster, I think havingsome protein within an hour
after your workout is good.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I need to remember this stuff and according to Dr
Spencer, yeah, yeah, I need toremember this, dr spencer.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, it's harder to do that when I'm living in a
different state half the time,because you're the cook in our
family and you're the one thathas all the nutrition facts and
knowledge, and so I'm likecalling you, asking you what to
be eating.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But you can't go wrong with meat, although if
you're running, I'm just sayinglike, if you want to eat healthy
meat and vegetables, vegetables, it's great.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Meat vegetables, sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, it's a good carb source.
It's technically a vegetable,so a root vegetable, I think.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
What do you mean technically?
I thought that was like fact.
What do you think it was?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A potato?
Isn't that a root?
I'm just real, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
no, it's a vegetable yeah, I was like didn't we
already know that was avegetable?
What the heck?
Okay, good to know well that'swhat I'll be doing anything else
?
No, I got my MRI on my kneestoday.
I'm assuming it's gonna be fine, I just and they are
progressing.
I just wanna make sureeverything's nice and spick and
span getting into these next fewweeks Higher training.
(49:36):
So I'm excited, I'm nervous,but I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think I'm going to like the trails, so far it's so
much better.
That's what it seems like.
It's fun.
I need to get a lot of strengthgoing, a lot of lifts.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, I'm proud of you for your journey.
You've come far and, um, yeah,I think it's going to be a
really good time.
But I know this episode waskind of all over the place with
the things that we talked about.
But, um, I think the importantthing that I want to note is,
just like, we're all on our ownjourneys, so it's not fair to
compare yourself to other peoplewho have been doing it longer.
(50:12):
It's not fair to compareyourself.
If you're injured, like, bevery intentional with your own
personal journey and recognizethat it's unique to you.
So treat it as such and you'llbe fine.
You'll make progress.
Be patient, keep your head down, stay disciplined, be
consistent.
(50:32):
The dreams will come.
Always do, always do.
Thank you everyone forlistening to this episode and,
as always, keep getting after it.
That's true.
Maybe we should get after it.
All right, I'm ready.
That's important.
So this episode, I don't know.
One thing that I always talkabout with this show is how it's
a compilation of things that Iwish I would have learned when I
was younger.
And now it's kind of differentand we're in an interesting
situation with.
I've ran an ultra race beforeand now I'm training for another
(00:22):
one, october 25th.
It's coming up Almost twobefore, and now I'm training for
another one, october 25th.
It's coming up almost twomonths out.
I learned a lot in the firstthat I'm going to take into this
next one I need to learn allthose tips and tricks.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's what's super interesting about this is like
you're doing great, like I thinkyou'll be fine, you're being so
nice.
We know it's been a rough yearfor me with running.
What I'm saying is you're doinggreat.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Like I think you're going to be fine, You're being
so nice.
We know it's been a rough yearfor me with running.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
What I'm saying is you're doing great getting back
into it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, getting back into it two months before the
race is a little scary.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, let's talk about that because I think
that's an important thing for alot of people to understand is
like and I'm not saying peoplelook at us and put us on a
pedestal when they think ofrunning.
I don't think that's the caseat all.
I think people just definitelydo not do that no, I think it's
just, people see our consistencyand maybe they're like oh,
that's, you know, maybe I wantthat.
I don't know, I might take thatpart out.
(01:16):
I don't like what I just saidpeople aren't putting us on a
pedestal okay, all right goodyeah, take that part out.
Anyways, it's interesting youhear these stories about people
who are unbelievable.
I think of Cameron Haynes,Truett, all those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, outliers.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, but you don't really see they deal with their
own injuries and they deal withtheir own setbacks, kind of in
their own different ways.
But kind of walk through whathappened to you, when did it
start and what actually happenedand how are you overcoming.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, a couple things about the other guys you were
just talking about.
I feel like I don't know if wesee their injury side all that
much.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, kind of.
I mean, Cameron Haynes was like, yeah, I have a broken foot and
he ran the Cocodona 250.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right?
Do we know how he broke hisfoot?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I think just overuse or something, I don't know right
.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I feel like we don't get many details actually about
people's injuries and, likesally, she just had like knee
surgery and stuff.
I'm like, oh, no one mentionedthat, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I think they don't want to tell people.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I don't think it's like lack of wine to tell people
.
I think to them it does matter.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Interesting Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
They're like they're going to keep doing what they're
going to do anyways.
So it's a hiccup and they'regoing to move on.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's one thing that I struggle with is it cripples
me.
I am not the same type ofstrength.
I am not those type of people.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
What do you?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
mean strength.
These people are like.
They go through, obviously, alot of injuries, like Sally with
her heel, like the freakingulcer from her ultra.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And her knee that she's got surgery on and Cam's
broken foot and still ran like200 miles Like if I broke my
foot.
No, sir, I'm not even walkingupstairs, like absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I just throw you on my back, like Yoda will take you
up there.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, put me in your backpack.
I'll put you in the backthere's no way I'd be doing all
this crazy stuff.
So they're like different breedand I think that's maybe why
they don't talk about injuriesas much, because they're going
to do the thing anyways, yeah, alot of the time, and maybe they
wouldn't even advertise thatbecause, like, if it doesn't
work for somebody else, likethey know they're probably
different that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they're very disciplined and consistent and
they've been doing it for years,right?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
so they know like what their bodies can and can't
do, and so maybe it'd give thewrong message to like run
through certain injuries forpeople who are not like on their
level.
Um, because even with youtalking about the type of stuff
that you run through, otherpeople are mad about it, but
they're actually just weenies,you know, and so it's like
everyone has different painlevels yeah seriously and
(03:50):
everyone has different painlevels and um can push the
different stuff.
So maybe that's why people don'ttalk about their injuries that
much.
For me, as I'm saying like thismight be a reason my knees hurt
.
No, um, I don't know whathappened.
I didn't have.
I think what happened maybe isin March.
I think I had a little bit ofoveruse.
I think maybe I had runner'sknee or something for my left
(04:12):
knee Really sharp pain when Iran underneath the kneecap, kind
of all around the bottom of mykneecap.
Outside I definitely have tightIT bands.
That's got to be a factor.
But I'm thinking I was babyingit a little much and
overcompensating on my rightknee, the right knee, I remember
like the second I heard it likeit was so fine up until
(04:34):
mid-july was that when we wereat the gym?
yeah, okay, yeah, I rememberthat that was sad I was like
that was like a week out fromthe marathon we were gonna run
um the grandma's marathon, and Iwas like, okay, I need to hit
like 20 miles today or else II'm not gonna be ready for the
marathon because my left kneehas been bothering me.
So I pulled back so much onrunning in like april and may,
(04:58):
or maybe it was may, june, umand then july.
Like you didn't run very much atall yes, I haven't been running
much at all this summer so it'slike if I can't pull 20 miles
I'm not ready for grandma's,first of all.
Second of all depends on thepain level, because if I can run
through it, that's one thing,if I can just finish, but if
it's something that I'm gonnadnf or like have to limp to the
a station and they go cart mesomewhere, I don't know, just
(05:20):
zooming around mario, but I haveso many good references I can
make.
So I was like I got to do 20miles.
If I can't, I'm not probablygoing to run grandma.
And I was running, felt great,like this is awesome.
And then, boom, right knee waslike see ya, that was like the
(05:42):
sharpest.
That hurt actually so bad.
I was like ready to cry, Icouldn't even walk on it.
I was like halfway through my,that was like the sharpest pain.
That hurt actually so bad.
I was like ready to cry, Icouldn't even walk on it.
I was like halfway through myrun stopped right then.
And so then my right knee's beenthe issue.
So I'm like so my left knee, Ithink, might've been overuse.
Right knee felt more injurythan left, but regardless, I've
just been having such sharppains.
So, in order to build back ourfriend, obviously, is a physical
(06:07):
therapist, brinley.
You had her on the podcast andshe's been giving me exercises.
You've been giving me exercises.
I've been focused a lot thissummer on strength training
rather than running, which isfrightening knowing that we have
a 50k coming up in two months.
So trying to build back thosemuscles really and flexibility,
mobility, that's what I've beenworking on.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's important, it's frustrating it's um.
You know I love math, so it'salmost like an equation for
everything, right?
We always have equations likeyou have the training piece
right but if you're missing thestretching and the mobility
piece, you're gonna have issues.
If you're missing the strengthtraining piece, you're gonna
have issues.
If you're missing the strengthtraining piece, you're gonna
have issues, so many issues.
(06:49):
So it's like you need the andthen the recovery also.
So there's maybe four steps tothis equation, five steps
actually, nutrition.
Throw that in there too.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But that's also part of recovery.
So actually we'll combine thatas one well, I wouldn't even say
it's just part of recovery,because nutrition prior to
working out yeah, but like thathelps with recovery in the end.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, like as long as you're feeling your body right.
But okay, for this instance,you need training plus
stretching, plus mobility, plusstrength, plus recovery, plus
nutrition, nutrition plus somegood music, and then you'll.
That equals results so if youcan do seven steps, well, I mean
(07:30):
that just kind of shows likewhat needs to go into it?
Right, it's like I think a lotof people they just think like,
oh, yeah, running, like you justget out and run.
It's like, yeah, that's true, Ithink a lot of people have
success with that like there'smany runners out there who I
don't think are bench pressing.
Um, I mean, you could just, youknow, it's an easy thing to
skip upper body.
(07:50):
Yeah, it's like I think if youwant to get good at running,
like that makes total sense,like have that be your passion,
have that be your main focus.
But I believe in from my ownexperience and from seeing other
people talk about theimportance of strength training
and stretching and taking careof your body, like that's what
leads to long-term success andlongevity and running and that's
(08:12):
ultimately both of our goals Ithink like we're not stopping
running.
Team Tim is every year, so wehave at least have that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
But it's important to take care of yourself and like
what have you learned throughthis process?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How much time it all takes Because I would go to the
gym.
Yeah, I'd go to the gym, golift maybe, do 30 minutes of
cardio go home, not includingthe stretching, the mobility,
all that foam rolling.
I feel like I spend so muchmore time, which is tough for me
because I'm so impatient.
(08:46):
One thing I've really beenfocusing on is slowing down and
being intentional.
Because I was able to squat somuch more and stuff, because I
was just like going quicker, Iwas just like probably form
wasn't so great and then I waslike, okay, I'm going to refocus
on my muscle to brainconnection and slowing down and
(09:09):
counting the rep Slow, you know,like four seconds down or
whatever, and pausing at thebottom or all these things.
So my gym sessions have becomea lot slower, which has been
hard for me.
I think I have ADHD or something.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
No, I think it's tough.
Like being intentional isdifficult because it does
require a lot of time, but it'sso crucial to do that, like to
actually go through the steps tomake sure you're doing it right
, because, like you said, itcould lead to injury if you
aren't doing it right, if youaren't taking your time, if
(09:45):
you're just trying to rushthrough.
And I've had both experienceswith like kind of that approach.
Like you get in the gym, you goas fast as you can just to get
the workout done, so you can bedone, and it's almost like a
chore that you check off.
Recently and by recently I meanlike the past few years um,
(10:05):
I've changed my mindset aroundthe gym and now it's like I feel
like I'm getting stronger, Ifeel like I'm getting better if
I just go slower.
And uh, dr Mike Izzertill um,yeah yeah, it's the guy Um, but
he's great.
He's been on Chris Williamson'spodcast.
I think he has a podcast of hisown.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I think he's on Huberman too.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
He might have been on Huberman actually.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Anyways, carry on.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
But he talks about, like, the importance of slowing
down, and he always says likewhen you're going down with the
weight, like if it's a benchpress and you're going down, or
if it's like a squat and you'relike lowering, you should go
slow and then, at the bottom,explode up right because that's
like a different muscle thatyou're using and um, that kind
of training sucks, like I'vebeen doing that, it's it's hard
(10:53):
like I don't know.
You might see me at the gym likedoing dumbbell presses or
whatever, and you just it lookslike I'm just going in slow
motion you count how manyseconds you go down or it's just
a feeling You're just going inslow motion?
I just try and go slow motion,really, yeah, because I feel
like if I'm counting then Ifocus on the numbers, but if I'm
just trying to go slow, I'mdoing the motion itself.
You're the feeling.
(11:13):
I try and feel it in my pecs.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, I feel like recently because I'm more,
because I it reminds me to slowdown.
Yeah, because, say, for benchpress in this example, I'll just
like go down, up, down, up.
You know, it's like two secondseach way.
And as I've been thinking aboutbeing more intentional and
really like dialing in themotion, the form and stuff,
(11:38):
counting like makes me like okay, like I have to keep like
moving, or else I think it'slike four seconds and it's
actually like one you know, andso like for me that helps
because I'm so used to goingfast with everything I do,
especially like movement andtalking.
I move, I go fast.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's a good distinction to make, though it's
like I just said, I don't count.
You just said you count, andthat's one thing that fitness
kind of makes difficult for alot of people is there's so many
voices out there that tell themlike, hey, you should do this,
you should do this, and andmaybe you should, maybe you
should try it and see if itworks out for you.
But that's the thing is, it's avery personal endeavor.
(12:15):
Um, what works for me might notwork for you.
What works for you might notwork for me, right, and so like,
with what we're saying, likethe people, people who are
listening, take it with a grainof salt.
Try it yourself, right, seewhat works for you and build a
routine around that.
Like that's kind of what's goodis like now, because I've been
doing this training, like I feellike I'm in a routine, I feel
like I know what works for meand how to tie that into running
(12:38):
.
Like still have my focus there.
But you're right, it is a timesuck, it's a lot it is.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And one thing actually that I didn't really
consider when I was firststarting my knee issues was I
honestly didn't really know thedifference between, like,
stretching and mobility.
I thought, like you're beingmobile, that's stretching and
that's flexibility yeah but I'vebeen learning a lot recently
about what it means to actuallydo mobility and I don't know,
(13:09):
like, do you have like a certaincircuit you do, or anything
like what do you do for mobility?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
yeah, is it different ?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
every day for you, uh yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's different for me every day, like, but I'll do it
when I'm working out, so likein between exercises when I'm
squatting or something.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, just cause, like I don't know, it works for
me, saves time.
Saves time Kind of mixes it in,and then, like I'm still
resting in between, cause I'mnot, I don't have 250 pounds on
my back, so like I don't know,I'm able to do more things like
that.
Um, but for me, stretching is abig one because I feel like my
mobility, like obviously I doexercises that are specific to
(13:47):
that, like you put a kettlebellor a band around your foot and
you lift your leg up with yourhip flexors, those kind of
things.
Or you put a kettlebell or aband on your foot and you do
tibialis raises, like so ithelps your shins.
Even that one stupid, I don'tknow what this is called, but
it's the one exercise.
I don't think it's mobility,it's a strength one, um, but you
(14:09):
put your legs in it, you facethe ground and you go down.
It's like you're.
So this is your body, you'relike that oh, like it's like it
works your butt yeah, but likeyou're
like leaning over it yeah, andthat's the thing that, like I've
come to understand, is likeokay, well, what muscles do I
learn in running?
This is like a recent thing.
You and I have been talkingabout this a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I know this was so frustrating.
We've been running for so long.
It feels like I've been doingTeam Tim since 2019.
Also, I never really tried withTeam Tim until like a year or
two ago, so that doesn't count.
So we so we've been running forlike two years and we learn
something literally every day.
I swear like we've been talkingabout the different muscles
we've been using.
All of a sudden we're like oh,that's so smart to work out
(14:50):
hamstrings more like that is thedumbest thing that it took us
so long to like, reallyemphasize yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's part of the journey as much as like it's
it's.
It's frustrating to like lookback and have that hindsight
2020 vision, being like, oh man,I could have done things so
much different, but at least youlearned it now.
Like at least we're gettingbetter now, right, and another
great example like some peoplewho want to start their running
journey like maybe they'll sitdown and be like, okay, I need
(15:19):
to do mobility, I need to dostrength, I'm going to have it
all planned out.
But for someone like you and me, it's like, hey, let's just go
figure it out and understandwhat we need to change.
And unfortunately, with thatmindset.
It's like the knee thing comesup right, um so.
And then you learn after thefact right and so it's not the
best, but I mean pain's a greatteacher, um, so you will learn.
I learn like I have hip issuesfrom time to time, but doing
(15:43):
mobility and stretching and allthose things like it helps take
care of it.
There's this quote from AbrahamLincoln.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You love your presidents.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, why did I say his name like that though?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Lincoln.
But he says discipline ischoosing between what you want
now and what you want most.
And with this example thatwe're talking about now, it's
like, okay, well, discipline,like you can choose what you
want now, which if you're at thegym, you don't want to do your
mobility, you don't want tostretch, like you can choose
that.
But if you want to usediscipline, you should choose
(16:18):
what you want later, what youwant most, which is a healthy
body, strong joints, like allthose things, and that requires
mobility or requires stretching,requires strength training and
running all those things.
And so I think it's just beingdisciplined with your time,
sometimes like understandingwhere that's at, um, but yeah, I
mean, it's difficult I don'tknow if my, I don't know where
(16:42):
my dad got this quote, but heused to say it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Sometimes he'd say, um, everything good is on the
other side of hard, and I'msurprised we haven't talked
about that before actually youand I, yeah, but I think it's a
good point.
Like you, have to get over thathurdle in order to see the
progress, to be able to become abetter person, to just progress
(17:06):
in all aspects of life.
And as I think about that, withlike running like running itself
is hard, but overcoming theissues is also hard.
Yeah, so it's like they bothsuck.
But also being a catch potatois hard in its own way, because
then I can't move, I can't doanything right.
So everything is its ownversion of hard, and obviously
(17:27):
hard is relative right yeah,thank you, um, and so choosing
that hard, what you want to bedisciplined in like.
If you're choosing the hardthing, though, the other side is
going to be rewarding yeah,it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Here's another analogy that's not running
related okay so when I was a kid, my parents had this rule that
if we wanted anything, we had toearn the money and go buy it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Which I think is a great rule.
Like, taught me how to work.
They didn't give me things on agolden platter and, being the
baby, that was a risk, so shoutout to the parents.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Anyways, it's so funny because at the time you're
like this sucks, my parentssuck.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You know it's like hey doing hard things or
whatever.
And then you grow up and you'relike that was great parenting,
good job, I always had fun, likeI always had a good time doing
the things.
Um, I guess it depends.
I can remember one time drewand I really wanted lego star
wars.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It just came out it was the first lego star.
No way lego star wars.
Holy smokes, how old are you?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't know I was like, probably like nine or ten.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's really cool, baby Twice.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Lego Star Wars was ahead of its time.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Ahead of its time.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Wow, you could be a Lego guy.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm so happy for you.
I really am.
Anyways, we really wanted thisgame.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Right, it's like something we've.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A game.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, lego Star Wars is a game is a game.
I thought it was a lego pieceset, no, okay, ahead of his time
, onward, onward, um.
And so we wanted this game.
So, bad, right, and my mom's,like you, gotta earn money for
it.
And so we went to the store, webought a bunch of sodas, we
bought a bunch of waters, and mymom was having a garage sale
(19:08):
the next day and so we sat outthere and I, we sold waters.
I think they were like twodollars for a water, three
dollars for, uh, a soda.
No, no, it was not that high Iwas saying when you were 10 yeah
, but um, anyways, we had like,by the end of the day, like 65
dollars, that's cool, and wewent and bought lego star wars
and it was like so rewarding,but we had to sit out there in
(19:31):
the heat for like five hours todo it.
Right, it was a little lessonas a little kid.
But basically, you know, wecouldn't have done that and I'm
sure if my grandma because shewas the gift giver we could have
asked her be like Grandma, canwe please have Lego Star Wars?
She probably would have done it.
That's funny, but but who knows, maybe I wouldn't have
(19:54):
appreciated it as much.
Long way to say, sometimes itdoes pay, almost every time it
pays to do the difficult thingBecause it leads to a better
future.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I don't even know when, it would ever not be the
better thing.
I mean, maybe you can do adifficult thing and you fail,
but the lessons learned likeseems to still be worth it.
I don't know really what badthings come from being
disciplined and doing hardthings.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, I love Alex Ramosi's perspective on
this because he always talksabout it.
He's like before I wassuccessful, I had seven failed
businesses.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And that, like I'm not a business owner, I have
getting after it.
It's getting there, to where westart making some money and
stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's getting after it .
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's getting after it there, but like if that failed
I would have such a hard time tobe like okay, well, Like first
seven didn't work.
What's next?
Like let's do another one.
And that continues six moretimes.
And then you're like, okay, I'mgoing to do it again.
And then that one finally takesoff Like that's insane, like
that's a different type ofpersistence and he does talk
(21:14):
about all the time.
Like he's grateful for thoseexperiences, because they taught
him so much right um and Ithink it's only like um.
One of my favorite talks um okayyeah, president, elder, elder,
now elder dietrich uchtdorf um,he actually quotes Steve Jobs
(21:39):
okay, so Steve Jobs quoteactually Steve Jobs, but you
can't connect the dots.
You can't connect the dotslooking forward, you can only
connect them looking backwards.
Um, I think a lot of thatapplies to like learning, those
difficult lessons and all thatstuff.
So Steve Jobs through ElderUchtdorf.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Very beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So perspective changes a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I feel like I noticed that I mean going back to
running a little bit.
Is I get so frustrated becauseI didn't run much this summer
and it's easy?
To be living in the moment andyou're like, okay, this sucks, I
literally barely run.
Like summer, and it's easy tobe living in the moment and
you're like, okay, this sucks, Iliterally barely run.
Like I did 15 miles on Saturday.
That's the longest run I've hadsince.
I even know when.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Team 10 maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Team 10 was 13 miles.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh yeah.
So I was thinking like Ihaven't beat 15.
Yeah, Like 15 miles as far asI've gone.
I don't beat 15.
Yeah, Like 15 miles as far asI've gone.
I don't know.
Yeah, since before this wholeyear probably.
Yeah, and I was like frustratedwith myself because we have a
50K coming up in two months andI'm just now getting to 15 miles
with my stupid knees.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But you got to be pumped on that.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Which are progressing .
Speaker 1 (22:46):
They're getting better, may.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I add, so it's easy to look at it and be so
frustrated because I'm just nowhitting 15.
I have so much more to dobefore then, but it's fun
because this is actually kind oflame big loser, let's go one
thing about me she loves hannahmontana I love hannah montana.
The second thing about me is agreat butt okay, thank you third
(23:07):
thing anyways.
third thing is I I don't knowwhat it is Someone runs a race.
I'm looking up that time.
If I see a bib on anyone in apost, I'm like what race is that
?
Ding ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, she's good at it too.
So if you don't want that, hideyour bibs.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, because I'm finding you.
But the other night I was likelaying in bed and I'm just like
thinking about the ultra.
So I'm looking up everybody'stimes from last year's
Canyonlands race and I'm goingthrough to see like what their
paces were and then I'm stalkingthem to see what their Strava's
(23:47):
like.
If I'm in the ballpark where Ithink I'm gonna be, I'm like
hardcore diving into this justmainly for perspective on my
part to be like okay, like whatam I like the work I'm putting
in now?
Where am I filing in?
There was only like 65 peoplethat completed it last year, not
a lot total, yeah, or 70, 74,um, and a girl came in first
(24:11):
place.
That's kind of sick.
Shout out to Helen, I think hername was.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Shout out to Helen let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't remember for sure, yeah.
So I'm kind of weird that I'mobsessed over that stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Do you think that's dangerous though?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
No, I don't feel very comparing in that way.
I think it can be if it dependson how competitive you are.
I'm very competitive, but Ialso think I'm most competitive
with myself.
Where I'm looking at theirthese girls times, and I'm like
dang, like if I came in last ofthese girls.
These girls seem like freakingstuds, like I'm just happy to be
in the race, you know and yeahI'm just happy here.
(24:46):
So looking at their times, I wasjust trying to understand like
where I could be.
So I went back to my Strava justout of curiosity and was just
looking over the years and it'slike the same thing with
connecting the dots.
Looking back, it's fun to thinkbecause I was like, wow, I never
thought that I would ever beable to run a half marathon in
under like two and a half hoursRight, and now my half marathon
(25:09):
is like an hour 45 or whatever Idon't know.
And then I ran a full marathon.
Now I'm doing my first ultra,and so when I get down on myself
, I like to look back on oldStrava and be like, oh, I
actually do see progression,even though if I look at just my
yearly Strava, it's like prettypitiful with my numbers as far
(25:29):
as how many miles I've been ableto get in because of my knees.
But when pretty pitiful with mynumbers as far as how many
miles I've been able to get inbecause of my knees.
But when I look at it long termover the last six years, it's
like dang, I actually have beenprogressing and my baseline is
so much higher than it used tobe yeah and so you can still
find like confidence and eventhe seemingly small wins
absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I talk about the importance of journaling and
stuff, and it doesn't likejournaling, not necessarily in
that sense of like I'm going tosit down and write down my
thoughts, but like, yeah, havingdata to support your evidence
moving forward in the future.
It's like with anything thatyou do, you should have some
kind of idea and write downwhatever your starting point is,
if it's a hobby, if it's abusiness, if it's fitness Right,
(26:10):
and then keep doing that.
It could be a weekly thing.
But, then look back, like whenyou get discouraged, look back
at where you came from, becausethat is a really powerful tool
to use and I've done that myselfmany times.
But, yeah, I think that's agreat tip.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
As far as like, actually journaling, I didn't
tell you this, but I actuallyjournaled for the first time a
long time, like three days ago,really.
Yeah, and What'd you journalabout?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
A secret, that's fair , not a secret.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Just the fertility stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
But no secrets here.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
No sperm either.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
No secrets no sperm, but we'll see, got me good there
.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
No secrets, no sperm but we'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Um, you're the one that said it, man, it's like a
blow that candle out over there.
Oh my gosh, don't try torizzler this, but anyways, yikes
, I was gonna say was the lastjournal entry I had before, like
three days ago.
I think it was like November oflast year.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm like ooh Do you remember what it said though.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
In November.
Well, I looked at it the otherday, yeah, and it was
interesting reading it, becauseI don't remember writing it at
all, but it was like very muchwhat I needed the other day when
I started writing journal again.
I'm like every time I look atmy journal I'm like I love
reading back on this stuff.
Why can't I just put in thework every day to write a little
something?
So I need to get better at it.
(27:34):
But yeah, like you were saying,whether it's journaling or
whatever kind of data or anytype of information of your
current day and age, it's fun tolook back and see where you
were, where your mindset was,because that's how you recognize
progression and that's how yourecognize answers to prayer,
that's how you learn where yourmindset was, because that's how
(27:55):
you recognize progression, andthat's how you recognize answers
to prayer, or just learning allof the above, like there's so
much that you can learn fromyour past self and prep for your
future self.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
What would you tell your past self now about your
journey with running?
We'll keep it running specific.
We don't have to get superpersonal.
But what would you tell thatperson new with running?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
we'll keep it running specific you know we don't have
to get too super personal.
But what would you tell thatperson?
Um well, if I was saying I wasrunning a 50k old alley, be like
yeah, right, uh, as far as howcool is that though yeah, it's
pretty cool, it's pretty badassI'm like nervous because my goal
for this 50k is to finish.
Yeah, because obviously it's myfirst race.
We have 2500 feet of elevationgain and I did like a thousand
(28:34):
the other day and I was like, oh, I found my weakness, quads and
booty.
My butt feels like somebody litit on fire with the torch.
I said I'm scared you're gonnado great but I think that if I
went back, if I had to give myold self a tip, so like if I
knew I was going to get intorunning, I'd probably say start
the mobility and stretching now,because even get ahead of it
(28:54):
yeah, even knowing now, likewhat probably my issues are with
my IT bands and um, just likemy hip flexors are so tight and
so like knowing the issues thoseare causing it's still hard to
do every single day and I knowthat's an issue I'm dealing with
.
So if I could have gotten thathabit a long time ago, I think.
(29:16):
One, I would be a lot better atpreventing injury.
But two, I think you're justsuch a so much a better or such
a better runner when you havethat strength in your hips, like
if you look at sprinters, theirhips, like their hip flexors,
are like one of the strongestout of all the athletes because
they're sprinters and they haveto have that mobility like to
(29:36):
like drive your knee forward andstuff.
Yeah, I'm like I think I wouldhave been able to get faster, a
lot quicker.
I think I think I would haveenjoyed running more.
Yeah, I think one reason thatpeople hate running is because
one, you start off too fast.
I think that's a big issue spotwith new runners is like
they're so embarrassed by the 12minute pace so you go for the
(29:58):
nine and then you hate itbecause it was miserable,
because you've never ran twomiles at a nine minute pace and
then you like, hate it and youswear it off and never do it
again, right?
The first thing with the newbeginning runners, in my opinion
, is go slow, like, keep it ascomfortable as you can, because
if it's miserable you're notgoing to do it a second time and
that's when you're screwedright.
So go slow yeah and then myother thing would be the
(30:21):
stretching and flexibility, likeif you're flexible in your
hamstrings and your hips, inthose areas, your calves, then
it's so much more enjoyablebecause the pain is so much less
.
Same with foam rolling.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I always talk about.
My first half marathon was themost pain I've ever been in as
far as muscles and I've knockedover an hour off my half
marathon time and I haven't feltas sore.
And I've ran a marathon since.
I haven't been as sore as myfirst half marathon because of
dehydration and lack ofstretching and mobility and
rolling.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You can really get ahead of a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, and so much of it starts before you ever put
your tennis shoes on.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
A thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
And I'm just not figuring that out after two
years of running morecompetitively.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, everyone's on their own
journey.
So frustrating.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So if you're listening to this, if you want
to start running, that's thehack Start slow, stretch
mobility yeah, Having that typeof flexibility, it's going to
give you a lot farther, a lotfaster.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, you're going to feel a lot better too.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, then you're not going to hate it like how
everyone does in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
How I still sometimes do, but you're supposed to.
It's normal to hate running.
You like the outcome.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You don't have.
I mean, it is difficult, it's.
It's one of my favorite tiktokthings but it's a tiktok thing,
a trend?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
no, it's comments.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's a tiktok, I guess, but um, I saw this one
time and I was like you knowwhat?
Tiktok is not all.
Tiktok is not all that bad, ohnot the fedora man I kind of
think I like tiktok anyways.
Um, this is one thing that Ilove.
(32:09):
It's I don't know.
I'll show the screen.
It's just some random guy in abarn with some text, but it says
anyways, it's supposed to be aconversation between a guy and
his friends.
Yeah, I'll put it up right there.
It's between a guy and hisfriend and the guy is like, why
do you run so much?
And he basically says like, oh,you know, it's something like
(32:30):
keeps me busy, Like I like itall this stuff.
And the guy's like, yeah, butthere has to be a reason behind
it.
And then this is the friend'sresponse.
He says it's a conversationwith discomfort.
Every run there's a point whereyour body starts to protest the
ache in your legs, shortness ofbreath.
The voice telling you to stopDiscomfort shows up like an old
(32:53):
rival waiting to see if you'llback down.
It's about negotiating with it.
When the discomfort shows up,you have two choices ignore it
and keep going blindly, orlisten to what it's telling you.
It forces you to ask yourselfis it a limit or just a hurdle?
Every step beyond thatdiscomfort is like saying I know
you're there, but you don't getto decide my limits.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Boom so good when I ran my first and only, I guess,
marathon.
It was cool because after 21miles I'm like every step is the
furthest step I've ever takenand it's just that mindset of
like, just one more every step,step is a victory.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know when you were running your first ultra?
It was last July in Arizona.
Two Julys ago, oh my gosh, youknow what I meant.
Last year July.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Last year, 2024.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
When you had to face that discomfort, obviously our
minds are the first to leave.
Usually, yeah, the mind's thefirst one to be like hey, you're
done.
Face that discomfort, obviouslyour minds are the first to
leave.
Usually.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The mind's the first one to be like, hey, you're done
before your body, even thoughyour body hurts really bad.
But when you're doing yourfirst ultra, what were you
telling yourself to keep pushingpast those hurdles?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean there was a lot.
Yeah, the first two laps sucked.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Especially the second one, where I kept throwing up
every quarter mile.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That was bad.
And then like that was actually.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It's not funny.
It's funny now looking back.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's funny now Because we made it through.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
But watching that happen because I obviously did
the second lap with you I waslike surely he's going to stop,
you know to like throw up andstuff.
No, you just kept running,leaned off the trail, like
literally projectiled, and thenhe got back on.
Did he even like miss a beat?
I'm like still huffing andpuffing, trying to keep up with
(34:46):
you as you're just like shootingout, throw up.
Every so often.
That's the grossest description, but that's like what was going
on.
I was like, uh, is this healthy, what's going on?
I was like, uh, is this healthy, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I was nervous, I don't know.
I mean that showed up like myheadlight died a few times A few
times.
Yeah, I was like I didn't trainin the heat so I wasn't used to
how hot it was.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
The sand was the sand .
Speaker 1 (35:11):
It was like yeah, running through sand was hard,
the sand was horrible.
The sand it was like, yeah,running through sand was hard
and it was windy, it was kickingup.
Yeah.
So I mean there's a lot offactors that sucked, right.
But that race was kind ofspecial for two reasons.
One is my first one, right.
So I wanted to prove to myselfthat I could do it, that I could
actually accomplish somethinglike this, and I wanted to prove
to myself that it wasn't just amental like that, it was a
(35:33):
mental game.
I mean, like I knew my bodywasn't in physical pain, it
wasn't in the best shape, but itwas in physical pain and I kept
telling myself if I could takeone more step.
That means I can keep going,and so like I would always do
that and like the reason I lovethat stupid photo comic strip
thing of an old man in a barn isbecause he says it.
(35:56):
He says it's a conversationwith discomfort and that's
really like.
Once I read that I was likethat is completely what it is
Like you are having aconversation with discomfort
that entire time, like even whenyou start, even before you
start you have all thesethoughts and that's what you
enjoy.
I mean enjoy, no, but it givesme a sense of like you can do
(36:21):
other things too, Like running.
I love it, it's a passion ofmine.
But when I say it's a metaphorfor life, like I'm not joking
around.
Like I think it's a greatmetaphor for life and that ultra
like when everything is goingwrong, if I can control my
thoughts if.
I can tell myself, hey, this isfine, like I'll make it through,
(36:43):
I'll be okay.
Then that carries a lot ofpower in it.
And so, like, if something goeswrong in my life like boom
Brett, you got no sperm it'slike, okay, we'll make it
through this, we can figure thisout.
It sucks, like it's not fun.
It's a crappy thing to gothrough.
You and I both want kids badand it kind of hurts every time
(37:04):
we go over and see like ournieces and nephews and I'm like
who knows, who knows if that'llbe soon and it's hard.
But it's like I mean, also inin the ultra, I relied on you a
lot, like we support each otherduring this, those times and, um
, I feel like running just kindof trains my brain to not run
(37:28):
away when discomfort shows up.
Instead, it's like just talk toit, talk to discomfort, have a
conversation, and so I thinkthat's one thing that like
really got me through that firstrace.
The second thing was jordan.
Um, I ran that race for jordanum, my buddy who had stage four
(37:48):
cancer at the time, but like Ikept thinking about him and you
know know he had a, uh, a battle.
He could not stop fighting andI could have dropped out at any
time in that race.
But I was like Jordan's goingthrough hell right now, his
family is suffering, like theycan't stop that, they can't just
drop out.
And so, like I wanted to finishit, for him to be like, hey,
(38:12):
you know what?
I love you man, like I'mthinking about you, I thought
about you this entire race.
You got me through this, so Ithink it was kind of like a
circumstantial thing, but thosetwo things are kind of what
pushed me through to the end.
And then you, of course, youran with me, you supported me
the whole time.
(38:32):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I can see that you got me a little tender there.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Why I?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
don't know.
Uh, I mean obviously I thinkabout Jordan's family.
That's so sad, um, andobviously it hits home cause of
my dad.
But it's neat running with apurpose.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, Like I think that's why team tim is so
powerful right like everyone's.
They're just, they're pumped up.
They're like hey, we're runningfor 10 today and you know,
people are scared, but they'renot saying it because they're
like oh people are saying itreally yeah, people have talked
about it, like most people, Imean, it's normal to get nerves
before a race.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, especially if you're unfamiliar with the
environment and how it goes.
That's normal.
It's normal to feel that way.
But I think that's.
What's neat is, like I likeherbs before a race, especially
if you're unfamiliar with theenvironment and how it goes.
That's normal, it's normal tofeel that way, but I think
that's what's neat, is like Ilike.
I like people overcoming theirfears.
Yeah, I think that's what'sreally cool.
But, um, yeah, that race wasspecial for a lot of reasons.
Like you said, what are youtaking into this ultra marathon
(39:30):
that you learned from that one?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Definitely in that mantra of like hey, just have a
conversation, talk to discomfort, see if you can negotiate with
it this comfort is gonna beat meto a pulp yeah, it's gonna it's
gonna it's gonna be on yourback it's gonna be kicking at
your hips and your knees, yeah,heavy as heck it's gonna be
throwing rocks at you.
Great, yeah, it's brutal, butit's it's worth it.
Um, so that that's definitelylike.
(39:58):
One thing I'll tell myself is,like have that conversation and
then, um, honestly, I gotta givea shout out to brayden because
his no excuses just finish likethat's what registered, huh I
think we make a lot of excuses alot of the time when we're
doing things like this,absolutely Like oh man, my knees
, this isn't you.
(40:19):
Okay, I won't use that example.
Maybe it's like oh man, Ididn't feel for this run, I'm
not going to be able to do this.
It's hot, maybe I'll just stop.
I'll just stop, that's fine.
Like you, maybe I'll just stop.
I'll just stop, that's fine.
Like you can make excusesanytime if it's a race like same
thing.
Be like oh man, not feelinggood, I'm having an asthma
(40:39):
attack.
I gotta stop.
That was me in vegas, um hatevegas and uh, anyways, it's like
what was I saying?
Don't, don't, quit yeah, don'tquit like, don't make the
excuses, don't even think aboutthe excuses there's no excuse
like don't let them even enteryour brain, and that when you
think about that, like whenthose thoughts come in, that's
(41:02):
discomfort and you say, hey, letme see if I can take one more
step, and you just push past it.
And so I know there's gonna belots of things.
I also I'm gonna be doing thepremeditation of evils come
again the premeditation of evils.
It's, uh, one of the stoicprinciples, which is you
(41:23):
basically just think of theworst case scenario that could
happen, how you would respond toit okay, what's the worst case
scenario that you're thinking of?
I'm thinking we're running inthe mountains.
It's freezing, the rain'scoming down.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
There's mud all over the trails I feel like I do so
much better in those conditionsI lose one of my electrolyte
bottles um.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
My pack gets punctured by a tree, so I lose
all my water um, my shoes.
Something happens to them andthey're they're bad, maybe I
have blisters, but like, I tryand think of the worst things to
be like, okay, well, if thishappened, how would I respond?
If this happened, how would Irespond?
And that way, if it does, I'mnot entirely surprised because I
(42:05):
thought of a situation, Ithought of the plan.
Um, I didn't do that in thefirst race, I just showed up and
I was like I'm just gonna runthis thing yeah and had no idea
what could go wrong, and so I'mfully expecting to throw up
every quarter mile on this nextone great and I'll keep going.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
But, like I, I want to think about the worst case
scenarios, because if they showup because chances are they will
I'll be ready for him but, likeevery time I run, I'm like
envisioning the finish lineevery single time and I'm like
I'm like, if I take a seven milerun, I'm like I'm seven miles
from the finish line.
I, I literally envision.
(42:44):
Obviously I'm a, I'm a dreamer,but I literally envision like
I'm in the desert, like I canpicture the whole thing, like
you're on the other side, I'mcrying, you're crying.
You're kind of a little big babysometimes, but we're both
crying you're excited to seebecause you're proud of me oh, I
probably will share it too, andI'm like one tear will come out
and that's like the vision Ikeep seeing over and over.
(43:05):
It's just me finishing crossingline, crossing line, like
that's what I see every singleday.
When I'm going to bed, I'mdreaming about that yeah like I
literally have that, just that,just that mindset, like I have
to cross the line.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
See, I love that because people that's like
manifestation right.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You think about it and it'll happen.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Not true.
You're putting in the work,that'll go into that, not true
Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
I don't know, I'm just saying like in general, you
know, those people who are likeoh man, I just want a
lamborghini like mother, I'mgonna think about a lamborghini,
I think about a lamborghini?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I'll get it.
Yeah, that doesn't work.
You have to work for it rightso I think it's important to
envision that and be like yeah,oh, I'm gonna run the finish
line.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I'm envisioning it as I'm running.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, no all I'm saying is that it's very
different because you've put inthe work I think you'll be able
to get it done because you havethe evidence to support it.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I have a lot to do in the next two months.
What is your training lookinglike leading up to October?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Lots more time on feet, so it's starting to pick
up a little bit.
16 miles in the mountains onSaturday.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
It just stinks.
I'm in Arizona on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I know it's so hot right now.
Drew's having the same problem.
And I feel bad for Drew tooude,but I think this is a special
race for me too.
Um, because last race I ran forsomeone I loved.
This time I'm running withpeople I love.
That's cute, so that's kind ofa cool flip.
And it's you and drew bothpeople who inspire me more than
any others.
(44:28):
Like you with all the thingsthat you're doing in your life,
your motivation, your mindset,like how you push through, how
your knees bothered you and youstill fought through, like
that's inspiring, that gets meexcited and like I want to see
you do really well.
So I'm going to be proud of you.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
And then Drew, I'll let you down.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Drew in 2023 was 265 pounds Right and he swore off
running.
Last year he did his firstmarathon marathon this year he's
doing his first ultra marathon,yeah it's crazy.
I'm so proud of him.
He's a beast and like thetraining that's gone into that
like I hate.
People have given him crap, saynames.
(45:09):
People have given him crapabout his running and stuff.
But that dude worksunbelievably hard and he has
three kids.
He works a full-time job.
He's still a husband right like,and he made this entire life
change over a two-year periodright and like that is so
inspiring to me.
So I'm running with two of themost inspiring people in my life
(45:30):
, two of the people I love themost, and so, like this is gonna
be a very special race, it'sgonna be cool that's why I feel
like we're gonna be big tenderbabies I might not be a tender
but, like I said, maybe one tearwill fall I think that will
happen.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I think I'll be crying the whole way through.
I made 13 miles in on theterrain it like dips down and
then at mile 13 it's like a fatclimb for like however many
miles.
And I just know, after that 13,I'm gonna be crying the whole
way up.
I'm gonna say, dad, where areyou?
Help me, help me, he'll bethere.
You better be here.
I'll be pissed because I'malways running for him.
(46:03):
I mean, you literally got me torun 31 miles and you're not
here.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
The audacity he's like sorry, ohio state was on I
know honestly he would he went.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh, priorities yeah we love that.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, but I'm excited .
I think it'll be good I do too,so a lot of time on feet, a lot
of time on the trails lots offood my favorite part yeah, well
, it's hard to have an appetiteafter like a long run, though
for me at least yeah, I suppose,but mean it's like the day
before.
Yeah, eat some carbs the daybefore.
(46:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
kind of carbs are you eating?
Eat some candy while you'rerunning.
I can't eat candy when I run.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I mean good carbs.
Alessandra's sourdough bread ismy favorite source.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh my gosh, my sourdough starter died.
It killed us internally, yeah,so that's my favorite source for
sure, though, um bananas aregreat.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I love bananas.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
You're a big banana guy.
Yeah, um, you're a big ricecake guy I love rice cakes.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
If I'm really trying to get in the carbs, rice is
great I love rice.
Rice potatoes are my mostfavorite food potatoes are one
of my favorites, but it's hardto eat them the night before
like they're.
They're pretty starchy.
Um, it starts not good.
It doesn't sit well with me,like.
I think it's fine to eat themthe night before Like they're
pretty.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
starchy Is starch not good.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It doesn't sit well with me, like I think it's fine
for some people, but like it'skind of heavy.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I see.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Usually when you go for a carb source when you're
running, you want like a lightercarb.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Pasta's fine.
I just wouldn't eat a lot oflike the sauces and stuff.
Oh, yeah, because you don'twant a lot of grease and you
don't want a lot of protein.
This is if you're carb loading.
If it's like the night before,you're probably fine, but if
you're carb loading.
It's like I think 75% of yourcalories will come from carbs.
(47:47):
That's a good amount.
Yeah, it's a lot.
It's a disgusting amount.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
That's going to be a tough thing mentally.
I'm sure I don't feel like itis.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
it is always yeah, it's hard for me mentally
actually, um to carb loadbecause, like I, I mean you get
a little bit bloated because youhave more water retention, all
that stuff and like I don't knowit's like against everything
you've ever talked about, rightlike but it always pays off.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's why I hate it because it works that's
interesting so and then proteinright after, or what are you
eating after, after the runs?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, yeah, protein for recovery Protein.
Yeah, shout out to Spence forthat tip.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I don't think it's required, but if you want to
recover faster, I think havingsome protein within an hour
after your workout is good.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I need to remember this stuff and according to Dr
Spencer, yeah, yeah, I need toremember this, dr spencer.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, it's harder to do that when I'm living in a
different state half the time,because you're the cook in our
family and you're the one thathas all the nutrition facts and
knowledge, and so I'm likecalling you, asking you what to
be eating.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But you can't go wrong with meat, although if
you're running, I'm just sayinglike, if you want to eat healthy
meat and vegetables, vegetables, it's great.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Meat vegetables, sweet potatoes.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, it's a good carb source.
It's technically a vegetable,so a root vegetable, I think.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
What do you mean technically?
I thought that was like fact.
What do you think it was?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A potato?
Isn't that a root?
I'm just real, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
no, it's a vegetable yeah, I was like didn't we
already know that was avegetable?
What the heck?
Okay, good to know well that'swhat I'll be doing anything else
?
No, I got my MRI on my kneestoday.
I'm assuming it's gonna be fine, I just and they are
progressing.
I just wanna make sureeverything's nice and spick and
span getting into these next fewweeks Higher training.
(49:36):
So I'm excited, I'm nervous,but I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think I'm going to like the trails, so far it's so
much better.
That's what it seems like.
It's fun.
I need to get a lot of strengthgoing, a lot of lifts.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, I'm proud of you for your journey.
You've come far and, um, yeah,I think it's going to be a
really good time.
But I know this episode waskind of all over the place with
the things that we talked about.
But, um, I think the importantthing that I want to note is,
just like, we're all on our ownjourneys, so it's not fair to
compare yourself to other peoplewho have been doing it longer.
(50:12):
It's not fair to compareyourself.
If you're injured, like, bevery intentional with your own
personal journey and recognizethat it's unique to you.
So treat it as such and you'llbe fine.
You'll make progress.
Be patient, keep your head down, stay disciplined, be
consistent.
(50:32):
The dreams will come.
Always do, always do.
Thank you everyone forlistening to this episode and,
as always, keep getting after it.
Popular Podcasts
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!