152 - Dallin Shurts - The Mindset of An Athlete

In this episode of Getting After It, I sit down with Dallin Shurts—BYU record holder, Team USA discus thrower, and a man who has learned as much from failure as he has from victory. His story isn’t just about breaking records; it’s about breaking limits. From awkward beginnings on the basketball court to standing on international stages in the discus ring, Dallin has forged his path through discipline, simplicity, and the relentless pursuit of small daily wins.

We explore the unseen work behind greatness, the mindset shifts that separate those who cave under pressure from those who thrive in it, and the timeless truth that success comes from focusing only on what you can control. Along the way, we touch on Stoicism, Stephen Covey, and the paradox of learning to enjoy life’s resistance rather than wishing it away.

Three Key Takeaways

1. Chase the feeling, not the distance — True progress comes from focusing on the quality of your effort, not the outcomes you can’t control.
2. Resistance reveals strength — Getting after it means doing the work when it’s hardest, not when it’s convenient.
3. Keep life simple — Mastering the basics, in sport and in life, creates the space to thrive and enjoy the process.

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Brett (00:00):
but yeah.

Dallin (00:00):
So I do have to say you, you win tallest guest of course
I do yeah, yeah, I'm sure youget that a lot well, I mean once
you start getting basketballplayers, I'm sure oh yeah, I'm
sure I'll lose that crown prettyquickly yeah, trying to get uh
shack on, but yeah, I can'tcompete with a seven foot one
person.
I think he's seven foot one, Ithink.
So, yeah, okay, he's insane,yeah, but, dude, thanks for

(00:21):
thanks for coming on.
It means a lot.

Brett (00:22):
I'm of course excited to chat with you today.
One person, I think he's sevenfoot one, I think so.
Yeah, okay, he's insane, yeah,but, dude, thanks for thanks for
coming on.
It means a lot.
I'm excited to chat with youtoday and, um, our good friend,
michael Whitaker.
He uh introduced me to you.
So grateful for him for that.
And he says you have an amazingstory.
So I'm excited to dive into alittle bit of that today.

Dallin (00:48):
Yeah, me too, I guess I wonder what that story is.
I guess we'll find out, I guesswe'll find out.

Brett (00:50):
Yeah, well, we'll see if I can pull it out of you.
But yeah.
Yeah, why don't you justintroduce yourself Like let us
know your name and kind of why Ihad you on today?

Dallin (01:00):
Yeah, so I'm Dallin Schertz.
I grew up in Oregon, born inTexas.
Yeah, so I'm Dallin Schertz.
I grew up in Oregon, born inTexas.
I kind of dwarfed the rest ofmy family.
I got the best part of thegenes there.
You got the tall ones.
Yeah, no, my oldest sister's5'2".
I always use her as an examplethat we're not all freakishly
tall.
I just got lucky.
She's got the genes, yeah, butalso everything big comes from

(01:22):
Texas, and so it's very fittingthat I was born in Texas,
although I grew up in Oregon,which is kind of like track town
, usa, so exposed to a lot ofthat culture of running.
And, believe it or not, I rancross country, I played soccer,
I did a lot of basketball.

Brett (01:43):
Played lots of sports.

Dallin (01:45):
In high school I was very active, and much to my
credit too, which is really good.
And, uh, you know there's areason for that.
There's also a lot of studies.
That support, being amulti-sport athlete, just helps
you excel in the sport youreally like um and specialize in
I've actually seen that.

Brett (02:02):
Like not to take the conversation too much off track,
but uh, like you've noticed orI've seen and I'm sure you've
seen this too but like kids whospecialize in let's just take
basketball, for example yeah,they put them in when they're
like three years old and getthem all the way through high
school and they don't do as wellas the kids who like play
baseball, football, basketball.

(02:24):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
It's just different techniquesand anti-coordination.
I've seen some of the studieswith that?

Dallin (02:29):
because, yeah, when you specialize in an event too early
or a sport, the chances ofinjury are just increased, and
when you get injured, that's oneof the biggest forms of
interference for progress.
Yeah, and so if you canminimize, minimize injury, well,
you maximize.
Um, you know, gains, the gains.

(02:50):
So, uh, you know every weight,weight weight lifters biggest
fear is catching cold for a weekor two.
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, they just hate it.
Uh, because you know it'sinterference, like you gotta
fight through that and like yourgains just aren't as efficient.
Um, but yes, and I would saythe biggest thing in track and
field that being a multi-sportathlete gives you is, um, oh,

(03:17):
I'm spacing on the name, it's,it's, uh, it's a coordination.

Brett (03:22):
Oh, yeah, okay.

Dallin (03:23):
Yeah, you get.
You just get used to how yourbody moves, doing different
things, and that's so, soimportant, especially in track
and field, with the technicalevents like throwing um, it's
very technical pull vault verytechnical Um, if you can just
get coordinated, it's huge.
Through other events, you justhave body awareness and you just
can like be aware of of likewhat, what your body is doing in

(03:47):
certain positions and howthings feel.
And when you kind of likefigure that out, it's a game
changer for just efficiency andpractice.
Yeah, just going forwardbecause you have those skills
right, you know right, was thattough?

Brett (03:59):
like you being tall because I've heard that is
something everyone talks aboutis like oh yeah, the tall people
aren't coordinated.

Dallin (04:06):
I was told that by my own volleyball coaches it's true
, really tall people are lesscoordinated when they go through
.

Brett (04:12):
Well, I mean, okay, I because you're in a very
technical sport I haven't readany like research articles that
support so hearsay.

Dallin (04:20):
I'd say probably true, but basketball was the most
beneficial thing I could haveever done for track and field.

Brett (04:28):
Interesting how come.

Dallin (04:29):
Because I was so uncoordinated.
I just remember kids laughingat me in first couple of
practices in high school yeahCause I would just do things.
And people are like why'd youbounce the ball to the roof?
I'm just like I was trying toguard you.

Brett (04:40):
Yeah, why not?

Dallin (04:41):
You know, like I I just, I just looked really awkward on
, you know, on the court, yeah,but um, I I improved really
quickly because, um you know,mindset wise.
Okay, story time.
Right, let's go middle school.
I hated basketball.
My parents made me do it andI'm just like, oh why am I

(05:02):
playing basketball like I don'twant to be in this gym, yeah,
and like we're a musical family,we're all kind of quirky, so I
didn't really relate to theirslogan my sport is your
punishment like shut up whocares?

Brett (05:13):
you know it's yeah, runners man, they get the worst
rap.
I mean they do the worststereotype.
I mean like worst stereotype,and I'm a runner myself and I
can say that.

Dallin (05:23):
So and so, yeah, with that in mind, you know like I
just didn't enjoy thatenvironment Because that's not
the environment that I grew upin, you know Right?
And so in middle school I wasjust like no, I don't want to do
this.
In high school, so freshmanyear I didn't play basketball.
But I come from a very smallschool and height is is like

(05:47):
prime real estate.
Yeah, for a small school andour basketball team I was taller
than everybody there 380 peopletotal in our high school.
That's insane.
going from 9th to 12th grade,that means our graduating class
was more than your high schoolin theory, when you at home, I'm
just visualizing what does itfeel like to throw far and uh,

(06:07):
then I'd like, okay, you know,like, do like a drill or two,
and you know I'm in like theliving room and then, and then I
just like sit down again andwatch film, be like okay, and
then I'd, you know, compare thepart of the my throw that I'm
trying to improve with anotherthrower who's really good at
that, you know at, you know thatskill right, because you should
never copy another thrower.
Um, you need to like build yourthrow off of your own strengths

(06:30):
.
And so, you know, you know, doa little research that way too.
And eventually I'd get to thepoint where I'd find a cue.
I'm like, okay, it sounds, itfeels like, it feels like this,
and so I'm going to go topractice tomorrow with that in
mind, and so I would do that.
And I just remember there'ssome practices where nick was
like, you know, nicholasrainey's, my coach, um, I would

(06:53):
just throw like four meters onaverage further in that practice
really, and nick is like, wow,what a great day.
I'm like, yeah, you're tellingme I'm, I'm having a great
practice, this is awesome, yeah,and so a lot of those like
moments.
you you know where I just likehave breakthroughs in practice
all the time, and it's because Idid my homework.

Brett (07:11):
Yeah, I was about to say like that's one thing I think
gets, you know, hyped up onsocial media is some people will
look like an overnight successbut they don't see like you
watching film, practicing inyour living room watching film
again, trying to see what cuesyou can develop, understanding
how feel, like throwing feels,yeah, like all that goes into.
You know nick saying hey, youhad that was a great one, like

(07:34):
what a good day.

Dallin (07:35):
Yeah, it's all the unseen work that people overlook
, uh-huh so, and it wasn't justone throw, it was like a
consistent practice, or three ora week, and they just carry on
and like the skill was learned.
You know, right, like Iremember one cue that was an
overnight success for me becauseI think all the work that I put
up until then allowed my, mymental space to just trust it

(07:58):
really well.
Um, it was a friend of mine, an, uh, an old teammate.
We still disc golf together.
His name's Austin Carter, buthe suggested a cue called Heel
Me, hip right, and the idea isto turn the left heel, drop the
knee and push the hip into thering.
Okay, okay, and so I did thatand I threw really far and the

(08:18):
next day there was a track meetat UVU and I PR'd by four meters
.
That year that was my freshmanyear.
So, uvu and I PR by four meters.
That year, that's my freshmanyear.
So I went from 50 meters to 54.
Yeah, and I remember my coachand Cameron Bates and I think
Ashton Reiner, they were, Ithink they were in California.
No, they were in Oregon.
Okay, for me to out there inOregon.

(08:39):
And was it in Oregon?
I can't remember, but I justknow that, you know, once my
coach found out, he texted meand he's like well done you know
and then I see him the next day, you know, the next week, in
practice and he's just like,look, you threw 54 meters.
And I'm just like look at me, Idid it here it is and then, you
know, in the meantime I'm likelike inside, I'm like I'm really

(09:02):
happy with that weekend and Iknow there's a lot more there
because I just feel potential inmy technique, I feel potential
in my routine, I have a lot ofconfidence in all the work I've
done.
So by the end of that season Ithrew 58, 30 that's crazy um,
which is you know, another fourmeters, 30, 30 centimeters yeah,
for college, like what'saverage numbers I?
don't know, honestly don't know.
I'd say like 50 meters ispretty good.

(09:24):
Okay, you know, like 54 willget you to regionals in Division
I.
Yeah, and so whatever doesn'tyeah, it's hard to say yeah 54
is considered really good.
That's top 48 in the West andprobably top 48 in the East.
So I'd say like over 100Division I athletes hit over 54
a year.

(09:44):
That's crazy, yeah.
And so when I hit 58 that year,that year specifically, 58 was
top 10 in the West.
That's insane.
And then I barely made it tonationals that year with a 56.
Same mentality I was justfocusing on what I can control
in that ring and just doingthose cues and I just hit one
and went 56 and I made it thatyear and luckily that year was

(10:08):
just enough for me to get in sowhat was your first time?
at nationals, like it was fun.
It was in eugene oregon, that'scool.
Yeah, I mean my performance wassomewhat underwhelming.
I did take some names because Iwent in placed um.
I went in as the last person,so I was 24th going in.

(10:29):
Okay, everyone that made itthrough further than me.
And then I think I placed 15thor I can't remember, maybe it
was 18th.

Brett (10:38):
I mean, that's pretty good, though, that's a good
little jump.
Well, you know, I took somenames.

Dallin (10:41):
So you know people that have you know through further
than me.
At the regional championships,you know the prelims.

Brett (10:47):
Yeah.

Dallin (10:48):
I guess a couple of them , just you know, were probably
in a worse mental state than Iwas that day and I just happened
to perform a little bit betterthan they did.

Brett (10:58):
But I mean it was fun.
How did you handle the pressurethen?

Dallin (11:01):
Because, like some people sounds like kind of caved
in under it you handle thepressure then, because, like
some people, sounds like kind ofcaved in under it.
Yeah, sometimes the cue's offand that's just how it is.
Um, I, I really enjoyed it,though it was really, you know,
it was really fun pumped you up.
You're like, let's go yeah, youknow I was ready for next year
and you know, after, after thatwhole year, um is like.
It's like something changed.
You know, I went from justbeing your, your regular thrower
and and now people were askingme for technical advice and

(11:23):
that's cool and I was like holdup, you know, I'm like you know
I'm still trying to figure thisout myself, but I appreciate it
yeah, I'm still trying to figureit out.
you know, um, a lot of myunderstanding is from doing,
yeah, you know, uh, you knowthere are those who who are
really good at seeing andunderstanding, but I've, I've
learned this sport fundamentallylike very well, fundamentally

(11:45):
very well, just from throwingfar myself.

Brett (11:47):
Yeah, I think until you actually step on and do it,
that's the best way to learn.
There is through experience.
Yeah, because you can watchvideos, people talking about
technique all you want.
You can read as many books asyou want, but until you actually
do it, all that means nothing.
So it's like you have toactually do it and I think
that's that's an important thingto call out.

(12:07):
Is, you know, if there'ssomething you want to try and do
out there, like if it's youwant to run, you want to throw
discus, like you just have tostart.
Yeah, and you might look sillyin the beginning, but you know
it's worth it in the end ifyou're willing to stick with it.
Yeah, um.
So yeah, I mean, you obviouslystuck with it, went to year two.
What was that like year two?

(12:28):
Um, you kind of know how it'sworking now, year two, I think
it was year two that I chokedreally yeah, so year two is
really good.

Dallin (12:39):
I threw over 60 for the first time that year.
You know I broke the 60 meterbarrier, which is really big and
in discus right, everyone,everyone wants to throw over 60.
That's crazy, and so I rememberthat was the meet that elected
the current world record holderthrough 66 meters for the first
time.
That was in san diego.
That was really fun.
And then I also remember atthat meet we had the best

(13:02):
hamburger ever at some, at someplace.
It was amazing really.
Where was it?
In california?
I have no idea, dang, I have noidea, but I know they had like
three different cuts of meat andin the burger.

Brett (13:12):
Yeah, let's go.
It's really good.
That sounds good it's reallygood.

Dallin (13:14):
You know, throwers, if anything, love food.
So, oh, everyone loves food,especially a nice burger.
Come on, yeah, that's goodstuff.
So that was, that was a goodday.
And then, you know, the seasonwent on and wait so you broke
the record no, the BYU record is66, okay, which I eventually
broke, but not that year.
Not that year we'll get to that.

Brett (13:34):
I want to hear about that , yeah yeah, we'll get to that,
um.

Dallin (13:39):
But yeah, the next year I was doing really well and I
went to all these meets and Iwas thrown over 60 consistently.
It was like like 60, 60, 60.
And then I threw 61 and thatwas another PR at Long Beach, um
, and so, you know, slowly movedup on the top 10 board and that
was really fun.
And then regionals rolledaround and I just had a terrible

(13:59):
day.
I threw like 53 and didn't makeit and I was, uh, I was pretty
upset, yeah, um, and so so youknow, shrugged that off my
shoulders and uh, went back tobyu and there's still other
competitions to get ready for.
There was, uh, I guess usa orthere's like the utah

(14:19):
championships or something usatfutah association associate
something just all the utahschools coming together, or no,
it's just like a master, it'sjust like a usatf meet.
That was put on at, at, at, uh,it was at, uh, yeah, it was at
byu, oh, nice, okay.
So I threw there and I pr'd andthrew like 64 meters and that

(14:40):
was like freaking awesome,that's insane.
So that PR I think it was thatyear yeah, that qualified me for
USAs that year, the USAChampionships in Eugene.
So I'm going back to Eugene nowand this is like a month later
and I'm just happy to be there.
I'm in the first flight.
The second flight has thebetter throwers and I hit over

(15:03):
60 on that first flight and I,to get myself into finals, which
is the top eight, dang um, sowere you feeling pressure at
this time, or were you just easyunder pressure?
I was just happy to make finalsthere and man, that's chilling,
and I'm throwing and nick, uh,you know he's giving me cues.
Um, I I forget what my cueswere for that particular meet,

(15:24):
but I I know one throw, I'dnailed it and I threw 62 meters,
32 centimeters, and everyoneelse was just doing bad that day
and that got me second place,dang.

Brett (15:37):
And that was really fun.

Dallin (15:38):
Yeah, and I remember it was Andrew Evans who won.
I got second, and then SamMattis who got third, and
they're all incredible throwers,really really fun guys.
You know I get to, but becausehe got second at a nationals, I
qualified for a U S team.

Brett (15:58):
Really.

Dallin (15:59):
Yeah.
So that was later that summer,after working in Oregon a little
bit to get some money Wow, Iwent down to get some money.
Wow, I went down to the Bahamas.

Brett (16:07):
That's so cool.

Dallin (16:08):
For the NACAC, the North America Central American
Caribbean Championships.
Really Wow, it was really fun.

Brett (16:15):
So what teams go to that?

Dallin (16:16):
Obviously as many from Mexico, Brazil, yeah, I guess
any country, I guess I'm notsure how other countries qualify
people to send to thatcompetition.
I know some countries are justtoo poor to want to even send
one of their throwers torepresent.
But Canada was there.
Jamaica was there.

(16:37):
Jamaica is a discus-throwingpowerhouse, really.
Yeah, there's a lot of talentedthrowers out of Jamaica.
We were obviously there.
There's Costa Rica, like allthose people.

Brett (16:49):
How did that feel, representing the great US of A?

Dallin (16:53):
It was bittersweet for one reason A month before I left
to the NACAC, I had this dumbidea that I would throw the
hammer and I sprained my ankle.
I had a two-degree twist.
No way or two-degree spraincaused from twisting my ankle
from throwing hammer.
So I did a lot of rehab and Iwas barely able to throw with a
boot on.

Brett (17:12):
Dang.

Dallin (17:12):
Well, not a boot.
I taped it up really tight andstuff.

Brett (17:17):
It was tough.

Dallin (17:19):
Yeah, it was not ideal, but I threw 56 meters despite
that and I got to wear the usajersey and all and that was
really fun.
Yeah, that's so and you know,when you make a us team maybe
you don't know if, when you makea us team, you get a package so
they send you like a suitcasefull of gear, that's so cool
these right here are from one ofthe teams that I made.

(17:42):
That is rad, yeah, so I wear itall the time.

Brett (17:45):
It's comfy, it's like the most comfortable athletic wear
I've ever had I would, I'd wearit all the time be like hey, I
got this, for the country sentme this and that's crazy, you
know.

Dallin (17:54):
It trumps what byu gets us every year because I could
actually get, like you know,shirts in long, which for a tall
guy like myself is kind of abig deal.
Oh yeah, I always nothing worsethan having a shirt that fits.
But then, like every time youraise your arms, your stomach
comes out, it's like oh, that'sgreat, that's awesome that was a
big perk yeah, man, that's socool, though I can't even

(18:16):
imagine that like that's.
That's the dream getting yeah,you know sponsored and all that
stuff but um and then yeah, andafter that I was like let's go.
You know, yeah, sponsored andall that stuff.
But, um, and then yeah, andthen after that I was like let's
go.
You know, yeah, so the nextyear.
I didn't PR that year but I didreally well, you know, hitting
a really close average at three,63, 70, I think that year.
And and uh, at USA is I made,you know, stuff came up and they

(18:47):
didn't want to go to the US.

Brett (18:49):
Really.

Dallin (18:51):
You know, make the Pan Americans, which was a US team
you could qualify for.
So I was selected.
It was me and Joe Brown, andhe's another great discos
thrower, really good friend, um,and so and that was fun.
But yeah, that was in santiago,so that was my second us team

(19:13):
and so far it's just the twoyeah I'd love to make more.
Us has gotten really good, sowe'll see.
But um, yeah, you know thosetwo are, you know we're great,
so that is so cool, really,really fun yeah, so I mean it
was the third year, the year youbroke the record that was my
senior year, your senior year,okay, yeah okay.

Brett (19:31):
So how did that happen?
Was it just in a championshipor like?

Dallin (19:36):
well, a couple years ago this uh throwers kind of
started to pr a lot in thisremote town called ramona in
oklahoma, ramona, oklahoma.
Yeah, why there?
Right, the reason is because ofthe wind.
Now, any wind anywhere isoptimal, but the difference is
it's just more consistent thereso you can plan like a year

(19:59):
ahead of time.
Yeah, if you just set up a meetevery week, you're going to get
really optimal wind at somepoint Interesting.
So it got the hype.
And then my senior year they,you know, did this world
invitational and they startedjust inviting all these bigger
throwers and stuff.
And you know I submitted to go,you know, and obviously you

(20:27):
know I was accepted.
So I went and got to Oklahomaon.
I think it was uh, yeah, fridayis the first meet.
I didn't do very well throughlike 59 meters but it was like
no wind that day.
So you know whatever.
And then Sunday um, it wasreally great wind that day and

(20:47):
you know it was a lot of hype.
Um, I made finals and probablythe best competition of my life.
Like I was really far inwarmups and I just felt really
really good, everything wascoming together and I wouldn't
say I was flying it really wellfor the win, but I was flying it
well enough, and when I sayflying it, I'm talking about the
disc flight, because there isaerodynamics involved.

(21:09):
Um, just by the shape of theimplement Right, and just popped
one out there and it was just acouple centimeters further than
Nick's PR and that was quite aday.

Brett (21:22):
That's awesome, and you still hold that record right.

Dallin (21:25):
Yeah Well, what's crazy is I can't remember the order,
but I think I hit that throw andthen, a couple rounds later,
electna broke the world recordreally yeah, so I was in that
competition when he broke theworld record for the first time
and I just remember like thewhole competition pause and they

(21:48):
brought out the steel tapewhich come to you know, come to
find out they didn't need to do.
But yeah they did it that daybecause I guess we haven't dealt
with the world record in discusfor so long.
That's crazy.
It's been since the 80s.
So, um, yeah, so that happened.
That's so cool, so you know.
And then I was, like you'vewitnessed, last last in the uh,
yeah, you know, made finals andyeah, he was obviously first

(22:11):
cause he threw the furthest, andthen I was last in lineup.
So Nicholas throws a worldrecord and you know, guess who's
next?
That's crazy.
Um, so, yeah, that was a toughact to follow, but you know, I
held my own pretty well.

Brett (22:23):
So, yeah, I mean, do your best in whatever way you can,
but that's, that's amazing man.

Dallin (22:31):
That's pretty cool.
That's gotta be a good feeling.
Yeah, no, it's been a really,really fun ride.
I never would have expected inhigh school that mid-20s Dallin
would have experienced all thesethings and got to know all
these incredible throwers.
It's been really fun.

Brett (22:46):
Yeah, that's way cool, really fun.
How has mindset played into it,with just everything that you
do?

Dallin (22:53):
um, I don't know, that's a great question actually, I do
know, but there that's such abroad question yeah, that is
true, that's very broad yeah,because mindset is like um, oh,
it's like the air in the room.
You know it's there, you know itsmells great, but sometimes you
just can't place it.
It's like, yeah, it's like theair in the room.
You know it's there, you knowit smells great, but sometimes
you just can't place it.

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It's like this ethereal thing,that's like part of your
everyday living.
Yeah, you know.
So mindset, all right.
Well, let's start with theprocess, because that's really
where my love is.
You know I love throwing far incompetitions, but I think, more
than anything, I love thelittle wins you get every day.
And so when I go to practice, Ithink I just obsess over the

(23:40):
potential to have a good throwevery time I step in the ring.
It's there, it's just there,like no one can take that from
you, sure, there.
Like no one can take that fromyou, sure.
And oh, I think a bad mindsetis when people, I guess, define
their success based off of theresults that you get, and

(24:01):
unfortunately, in throwing,sometimes those are far and few
between yeah when you haveresults that objectively you
would be happy with like a PR,you throw a certain distance for
me.
like I really want to know whatit feels like Like physically in
the ring.

Brett (24:20):
Yeah.

Dallin (24:21):
I want to know what it feels like to throw over 65, 70
meters consistently, yeah, andthat's like sometimes I do lose
my focus and and you know I'mobsessing over results because I
really want that, but like Ijust want to be able to describe
the feeling physically in thering and that comes off your
hand and you just kind of seethe flight and you're like, wow,

(24:42):
I just did that I was going toask you how do you describe the
feeling?
oh, um, oh powerful.
You just feel really efficient,you feel smooth, you feel
rhythmical.

Brett (24:56):
Yeah, everything's moving like synchronized almost.
Yeah, that's a hard feeling todescribe honestly, because I
just do it all the time Likeyou're the orchestrator.

Dallin (25:08):
Yeah, all the instruments are going.
For a while it felt painbecause my knees would hurt.
But just from lifting so much,let's see when you hit it.
You just know off your finger,based off of the pressure that

(25:28):
you have on your hand.

Brett (25:30):
Interesting.

Dallin (25:32):
Like you can feel force.
Yeah, force is like this.
You know not to quote Star Wars, but it's this invisible thing
right, you can always quote StarWars here.

Brett (25:42):
Yeah.

Dallin (25:44):
Like which is mass times acceleration right.

Brett (25:47):
Yeah.

Dallin (25:47):
And so you can feel that when you throw In my experience
I don't know about otherthrowers that throw far what
they feel, but for me when Ithrow far it's because I feel
very efficient and I just feelthe force just transfer so well
all to that tip of my finger,yeah, into the implement right.
When I feel like it's notefficient and it's not going to

(26:10):
the fingers because I'm pullingaway and so my, you know, I
split your forces, yeah, and soI might have really good speed
of release, but I just it wasn'treally transferred very well
into the implement.
That's so interesting.

Brett (26:20):
So it comes off the finger then.

Dallin (26:22):
Yeah, you know I got calluses right here.
It actually comes off kind oflike like the bottom part of the
finger there.
You like the bottom part of thefinger there.
You know, if it comes off theside that probably means you're
flying it wrong.
But if you come off right there, um, you just can fly it better
.
There's a little bit morecontrol of the flight when it's
in the bottom, because you'relike pushing it like this.

(26:43):
Almost that's fascinating boom,you know.
So yeah, crazy yeah that'samazing.

Brett (26:50):
Yeah, you have no.
Like.
It's been fun talking to, likemichael and ashton and now you
about javelin and now discus,because I had no idea how much
actually goes into the sportitself, like when you're
watching it.
They do make it look easybecause they practice so long,
yeah, and the technique it'slike oh yeah, I could get out
there and throw that, but inreality it's like if I went out

(27:10):
there and threw it, I'd probablyget maybe 12 meters.
I don't know.
There's one way to know whoknows.
Yeah, exactly, but I think itis super interesting, like
understanding how your mind hasto be so connected to your body
and so in sync with what you'redoing, like it requires you to
be fully present, and that'ssomething I think is a powerful

(27:33):
tool to have is being able to bepresent with what you're doing
and, you know, not focusing onthe results, which is easier
said than done you have to focuson the right results.

Dallin (27:41):
Yeah, right, because the distance is maybe the wrong
result for progress, but thefeeling that you chase, I'd say,
is the right result to chase.
That's a good way to look at ityeah, I like that.
Because if you chase the feelingwhich is kind of a direct
result of your actions in thering and then the external
consequences you can't control.

(28:02):
And so you know we always goback to Stephen Covey's book
right, focus on what you can'tcontrol, be proactive, and
there's no lesson better thanthrowing where productivity.
You know he has those graphs ofcircles.
You know, focusing on what youcan control in your circle of
influence increases.
Well, if you focus on whathappens in the ring and focus a

(28:24):
little less on what happens outin the sector, where it lands,
your focus of your, you knowyour circle of influence is
going to increase and you'regonna end up influencing a
little bit further distances outthere.
But you have to focus on whatyou can't control, and you can't
control when you shift over.
Everyone can control being alittle lower in the ring.
Everyone can't control startinga little slower out of the back

(28:48):
.
So they are set themselves uptechnique wise for success on
the release, just simple thingsthat you can control.
Yeah, and when you start havingthose thoughts you've you build
a lot of confidence, becausewhen you focus on something that
you can't control, you have alot of confidence that you can
do it.
But when you focus on somethingyou can't control, like the

(29:09):
distance, all of a sudden youlose confidence in your ability
to throw far.

Brett (29:12):
Yeah.

Dallin (29:13):
And when that happens you kind of find yourself in a
rut and that can be hard to getout of.
Yeah, Because there's a lot ofemotion that's attached with
that.
Absolutely, because negativefeedback tends to encourage
negative emotions.

Brett (29:29):
Absolutely, that's a hard thing to rein in.
Yeah, I mean, mean I deal withthat, with running all the time,
like I'll think of the distanceI have to go run, like for a
training run or something, andit gets.
Sometimes it's like man, that'sso intimidating.
Yeah, and you have to focus on,like the mile that you're in,
because if you start focusing onhey, I have 18, then your

(29:49):
brain's like I don't know if Ican do any more.
It's like, well, can you dothis one?
Focus on the one that you're innow and once you get to that
step, like just keep goingexactly, it's you just gotta
slow down like that's a bigthing.
I think you focus on what youcan control.
Um, I love stoicism.
I don't know if you know whatstoicism is, but it's like

(30:10):
unlike me.
I might know it, but I don'tit's like all these the old
greek and roman philosophers,pretty much they all came up
with something called stoicism.
But there was a roman emperorwhose name was marcus aurelius
and his famous thing is youcan't control what happens to
you, you can only control yourresponses.
Yeah, it's basically the samething.
It's like you know, if theweather's bad one day, if it's,

(30:32):
you know you're didn't get asmuch sleep as you would have
liked the night before, like hey, you can only control how you
respond to those things and itmight not be the result you want
, but at least you gave it youreffort, at least you tried your
best.

Dallin (30:43):
Yeah, it makes sense.
I love Stephen Covey's sevenhabits book.
I've read it multiple times andone of my favorite things to
quote and bring up is there is aspace between stimulus and
response.
There's a space that people liketo take that space away because
that takes away your need foraccountability, but whenever
there's a stimulus, you have achoice, yeah, on how you're

(31:05):
going to respond, absolutelyright, and uh, when athletes can
own their throw and takeaccountability, they have a bad
throw.
Before reacting, sit in thatspace a little bit, widen that
space between the stimuli whichcould be anything in that
response, and you'll find thatyou know, reactively, you're

(31:29):
gonna not, you know, not just beso naturally angry.
You know you, canively, you'regoing to not, you know, not just
be so naturally angry, you knowyou can process before you make
a decision.

Brett (31:38):
It's a helpful tool to use.

Dallin (31:40):
Oh, it's a life tool that you can use in every
situation, right, and sports isa great place where you have a
lot of opportunity to exercisethat skill and practice it.
You know, with maybe lowerstakes than life, right, you
know, like you know, a familymember is yelling at you and
boom, you react and now you havea grudge for the next five

(32:00):
years versus you play abasketball game and the ball
hits you in the head and now youhave to think if you're going
to.

Brett (32:06):
You know, swear, or if you're just going to sit there
and breathe and just like keepgoing, you know.

Dallin (32:11):
Yeah swear, or if you're just gonna sit there and
breathe and just like keep going.
You know, yeah, and you knowboth of those situations.
You can practice that skill andyou know I I think it carries
over absolutely in every facetof your life.
So, yeah, yeah, really fun totalk about that, I mean there's
so many things that, like I, Ido.

Brett (32:29):
The one of the reasons I run is because there's so many
lessons I learned while doing itthat I can't apply to other
things in life, like patience.
Like, if I want to improve, Ineed to learn how to be patient,
because it's not going to take,or it's going to take, a lot of
time, it's not going to beovernight, and you have to, like
you to do a lot of thatself-reflection, take some time
to think about what's what'sgoing on and focus on improving

(32:51):
that.
One thing, same thing, withlike discipline.
On the days I don't want to doanything, I still have to show
up and get it done, and I'm sureyou've run into the same thing
with discus.
That's.
That's a hard thing to do, butI feel like if you can just show
up, even if it's not your best,if you just even go through the
motions, like that's tellingyour brain that you, you're the
one that's in charge, not likeyour feelings, not how you felt

(33:14):
that day or whatever it was.

Dallin (33:16):
That's part of that stimulus, yeah exactly Like
there are days I wake up and myback just hurts.
Yeah, you know, and I've cometo find out, a lot of my chronic
back issues have been becauseof my tight pecs.
They just pull my shouldersforward.
Really, I sleep all night likethat, oh man, and my tight pecs
they just pull my shouldersforward.
Really I sleep all night likethat, oh man.
I wake up and I'm just like oh,you know, um, you know it took

(33:36):
a while to figure out that trend, but you know, there are days
that I wake up like that, I justhurt and I'm just like, oh, I
guess I guess today is going tobe a very slow, technical day in
practice, you know and I hearthat response because that's
usually how I would, you know,interpret that versus someone
else that would experience thesame pain the big.
well, I guess today is an offday right exactly you know the

(33:58):
difference and like sometimesbecause of that, just
perseverance, through that youknow mental fortitude, or
perseverance through having thatkind of mental fortitude.
Those practices sometimes endedup being the best ones that
I've had.

Brett (34:12):
Oh yeah, it's so interesting.

Dallin (34:14):
And then I, like you know, I think back in retrospect
.
I'm just like, wow, I'm reallyhappy that I fought through that
initial discomfort, becausethat was a great practice and it
put me in a freaking good moodtoday.
Yeah, you know, and now I'mgoing to think about this all
evening.

Brett (34:29):
Yeah.

Dallin (34:29):
And so moments like that , lots of them, oh it's huge and
it just builds, and so reallyreally good thing to really good
skill to learn.

Brett (34:38):
That's why I always try and work out in the morning
first, because if I get up andit's the same battle every day-
I'm like I don't want to get outof bed.
It's warm.
My wife's next to me.
I don't want to get up and haveto go like sweat and work out.

Dallin (34:53):
Everything you need is right there.
Why do you need to leave?

Brett (34:55):
Yeah, exactly, but it's like every time I do, though one
, I feel better, I'm mentallyprepped for the day, and it's
like, hey, I overcame somethingdifficult at the start of the
day.
So like, whatever comes my way,hey, so be it.
Like I can probably handle it.
Yeah, it just teaches you a lot, and I love that.
Like stimulus versus response,like you got to just take time
to sit with it.

Dallin (35:16):
And sometimes the stimulus is nothing.
Sometimes the stimulus is Ijust want to lay here, and then
you think about it.
You're like okay, nothing ishappening.
Yeah, do I want this tocontinue?
Oh, I know.

Brett (35:30):
Yeah, I tell myself that all the time Like, man, I wish I
could just like not work foryou know two weeks and I'm like
I don't think I'd be happy withthat.
Actually, I gotta have a hardtime.

Dallin (35:40):
Yeah, you know, after enough off days where you don't
do anything, you realize howmuch you actually enjoy having
stuff to do.
Yeah, absolutely, you know.
And so absolutely you know.
And so you know, with that inmind, you know, I'd much rather
do something of my choice andmake my, my schedule busy
because I want it to be busy,yeah, and not because, like some

(36:01):
corporate job wants, wants myschedule to be busy for sure, um
, but that's a whole notherdiscussion.

Brett (36:03):
But, yeah, oh man, yeah, I'm I could have a discussion
about that all day long yeah, alot, of, a lot of a lot of
people can yeah it's brutal, but, um, have there been any other
lessons that you've learnedthrough discus that have bled
over into your life, other areasof your life or anything?
Let me think about that.
I know that's another bigquestion.
Who's throwing them at?

Dallin (36:25):
you today?
Yeah, those are big questions.

Brett (36:28):
Harlan will match you like a discus.

Dallin (36:30):
Yeah, let's see.
Keep things simple.
And oh well, here's a big one,right?
When it comes to success, thereare certain principles that
every successful person follows.
Very, very rarely are you anexception to the rule of that,
and if you are, there's probablyanother principle of life that

(36:52):
you're really good at that justmakes that look less relevant to
that individual.
Let me expand on that.
In throwing to throw far, thereare three basic laws of physics
in life that you just need toobey, and if you don't obey them
, you're not going to throw far.
One is physics you need togenerate force, and mass times

(37:15):
acceleration will generate force, right, because that's the
equation for, yeah, force, rightin physics.
And so the longer you can like,the more you can accelerate the
implement, the more force yougenerate.
And so to accelerate, implement, you have to give it a long
path, because the longer you canapply force, the more

(37:38):
acceleration you generate, andso a lot of technique is
resolved around creating a verylong path for the discus.
So the longer it is, the moreit accelerates.
So that's one.
Another one is physiology right, the body just has positions
where it generates power morenaturally and more efficiently,

(38:00):
and if you put yourself out ofthose positions.
Theoretically, you generateless power.

Brett (38:07):
Yeah.

Dallin (38:08):
And if you're stronger, you just have a little bit
higher potential for power.
Okay, and the other one isaerodynamics.
The flight of the discus willobey aerodynamics, no matter
what you do.
Yeah, you cannot go out thereand change it and take a fan and
just like chase it and have itflow farther.
It's just not an option.
Yeah, you know, it's like anairplane.

(38:29):
You have to fly it in a waywhere you know it can catch, can
catch the wind, it can catchthe air, yeah, and it's a
rotating object so it will begyrating.
If that's a word, it's likeshaking, like that is that what
you mean?
It rotates.
So something that rotates turnsMm-hmm, right, and so like part
of the flight of the out and isrotating, and so it's naturally

(38:49):
just going to like turn thisway.
If you're right-handed, ifyou're left-handed, it turns
this way, interesting.
And if it doesn't turn, it'slike it's going to decelerate in
the air.
Yeah, right, and so, like thoseare like the big three
aerodynamics, physics andphysiology.
You just kind of put themtogether.
Yeah, right, and to throw farin discus, they're, they're.

(39:12):
You know, to get all thattogether in application you have
to master three things, andsome, some, some throwers have
strengths in one of these threethings more than others, and so
that's why there are nuances intechnique yeah but essentially
you have to be linear becauseyou're throwing straight into
the sector, but the nature ofthrowing is also circular, so

(39:36):
you have to put linearity andcircularity together.

Brett (39:39):
Interesting.

Dallin (39:40):
But you also have to have rhythm, because if you
don't have rhythm, you disruptboth, and so you have to be
linear, you have to be circularand you have to have rhythm, and
those three describe everythrower interesting right, some
throwers are really really goodat sprinting and they have just
this linear force that's justsuper explosive.

(40:02):
yeah.
So you know they might not lookthe best rotationally, but you
can.
You can see the sprint.
Yeah, and some throwers don'treally have a great sprint, but
boy do they get that circularpop on the oncus.
But no matter what, if you'rethrowing over 60 meters, 70
meters, whether you're good atbeing circular or whether you're

(40:23):
good at being rotational orlinear, you have rhythm, bum bum
.
And if you close your eyes andlisten to the discus throw, you
hear this dum ba-dum, push offthe left and then the right or,
depending if you're right orleft-handed, it's this ba-dum,
push off the left and then theright or, depending if you're
right or left-handed, it's thisba-dum Interesting.
The middle foot lands and veryshortly after, the front block

(40:45):
foot lands.
And if you hear bum bum, that'snot very rhythmical.

Brett (40:50):
You're off.
This is bum, ba-dum.

Dallin (40:53):
So watch every thrower that throws far.
You're going to see it.

Brett (41:01):
If you close your eyes, you're going to hear it.
I'm going to look up some afterthis.
Yeah, check it out.
Yeah, that seems.
Yeah, that's that's superinteresting and I mean it ties
into what you said about justsimple like, if you understand
the very basics, simple thoseare the very basics and, yeah,
you know, according to you, whenyou've gone to nationals,
you've gone on team usa, brokenthe record at byu, like that's
what you need to do.
Yeah, that's smart.
Keep it simple.

(41:22):
Yeah, right, I love it yeah,yeah, keep it simple.

Dallin (41:26):
There's just.
If life is simple, you're justgoing to enjoy it more yeah you
know, the more you complicate it, it's just the less it's
enjoyable it's harder to enjoy.
Yeah, it is harder I mean, youcan enjoy the complexity, but
with that line of thinkingthere's there's a simplicity to
that right, you know what?
Do you enjoy the complexity?
Like okay, like, what does thatmean?
Like, oh, it's just kind ofcool, you know yeah, what do you

(41:49):
like being busy?
I don't know and I you know I'mnot really that knowledgeable on
that to expand on that, butit's just, you know, kind of fun
to think about.

Brett (41:56):
I mean it's yeah.
I don't understand people whenthey like complex lives.
I like to keep things verysimple.

Dallin (42:02):
Like.

Brett (42:03):
I have a podcast I do.
I like to run, I like to hangout with my wife, study my faith
, work, you know, whatever Needthere be more?

Dallin (42:10):
Yeah, I don't think so.

Brett (42:12):
I mean pretty easy stuff.
But no, I think that's greatman.

Dallin (42:25):
One question I always ask my guests, before we wrap
things up, is what does gettingafter it mean to you?
Getting after it, hmm, I thinkgetting after it boy, that is a,

(42:46):
you know that's a, that's athinker.
I think getting after it is amindset of doing it when it's
hardest, because getting afterit no one gets, gets after when
it's easy, but when it's hardand you still do it, then that's
where that mentality applies,because you're getting after it.

(43:08):
Yeah, it's not easy, you know,it's really easy to go to bed.
Are we getting after it when we, you know, get to bed, maybe if
it's early enough?
yeah, it can be really hard toget to bed early.
That's true, like I'm gettingafter it on my routine.

Brett (43:21):
Yeah, you know.

Dallin (43:23):
I think it applies when there's resistance, when there's
interference, and so, yeah,like it involves effort.
Yeah, and the most effort inany endeavor is when it's
hardest, absolutely when there'sresistance.
You said it.
Yeah, that's what getting afterit means for me.

Brett (43:45):
I love it, man.
I mean, that's the title of theshow, yet I've never heard that
definition before, and I thinkthere's a lot of truth behind it
too.
Yeah, because I mean you saidit You're not going to do it.
If it's easy, you're not goingto have to get after something.
If it's easy, yeah, like it'sgoing to require you overcoming
resistance, overcoming adversityand just pushing yourself, like

(44:06):
trying to become a little bitbetter every day.
Where can you improve?
Focus on that and celebrate thesmall wins.
Yeah.
So that's huge, yeah, butexactly yeah, man, I I really
appreciate you coming on.
Your story has been awesomelike I've.
I've learned a bunch aboutdiscus?

Dallin (44:24):
I didn't.
It really scratches your egowhen you have, you know, get to
talk about yourself for a littlebit.

Brett (44:28):
Hey, listen, that's okay I, I enjoy it and that's that's
why we have this is, you know,to have people come on, share
their stories, and I mean whatyou shared about, like the
technicality and all that withinthe process of throwing the
discus and and finding ways thatyou can improve on one thing
versus 50 things, like there's alot that you said that I think
will be very valuable to likethe listeners and to anyone

(44:51):
who's trying to um, get afterlife or make a change, like to
to be more consistent, to bemore disciplined, like there's a
lot that you said that I thinkwill help with that.
So it's been awesome you knowthat's the whole goal.

Dallin (45:02):
I mean me and mike are starting this throw syndicate,
um, and like the whole, ourwhole mission is just to help
kids out and so, like the, thesports psychology and the mental
discipline and toughness thatwe learned just through
experience and also through youknow that that course that we
took by craig manning, that'ssuch a pivotal part of what

(45:24):
we're doing.
There's just tools that you canthat.
It's just when.
When do people need them themost?
when they're developing and whenthey're younger yeah and, like
we, we just want to be able tohelp the.
You know those individuals, anda great catalyst for that is
sports.
Yeah, and fortunately, we'reboth very, very experienced and

(45:49):
passionate yeah.
And so like, for me, this is,this is a great way to give back
, you know, to the community, to, uh, you only teach the
technique, but the mentaldisciplines of success that
allow you to be good not only inyour sport or your discipline

(46:12):
but in life and that's whatsports psychology is like.
Skills that is applied in sports, but a lot of them transcend
every aspect of your life and Ithink that's pivotal for kids.
If you're coaching high schoolkids, they need just some mental
toughness skills, and sports isa great, great place to learn

(46:35):
them.

Brett (46:36):
Oh yeah, it's a real good place.
Sports is a great, great placeto learn them.
Oh yeah, it's a real good place.
I still have memories of highschool where my coach would make
us take our shirts off and runup and down the court like
mopping the floor, because thatwas our punishment.
But sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt you with a stupid
story.

Dallin (46:49):
No, you're good, yeah, but that's the point.
There's better ways and moreefficient ways to be good, right
, you know?
Instead of punishment, likethere's just a lot, of, a lot of
things you can do.

Brett (47:02):
So that's that's what we're trying to do is yeah,
what's the uh, the future of itlooking like and you guys
launching anytime soon or we'llsee, okay, see you know stuff's
in the air.

Dallin (47:11):
So, yeah, when there's more you know, finite, finite
proof, I guess, yeah, well, youknow, we'll, we'll'll, we'll
announce it, but it's, it'sexciting.
I'm mostly just excited to beable to provide tools to, to a
generation that you know weenjoyed in college but isn't

(47:32):
very available in high school.
You know, and that's that,that's those mental skills, that
, absolutely, that I really,really, you know, embrace when I
was in college and I was likeman, if I could just have this
in high school, yeah, this wouldhave been pivotal, it would
have been great, it would havebeen really, really good.
So you know, that's that's oneof that's part of our mission
and that's that's a huge aspectof it.

(47:54):
But there's, you know,obviously, the technique, yeah,
you know huge aspect of it.
But there's, you know,obviously, the technique.
Yeah, you know, be good at whatyou do, experienced, be able to
teach it, and you know that'sthat's part of it.

Brett (48:03):
So we'll see that's so awesome man yeah well, yeah, let
me know when it's it's ready togo and I'll start shouting you
guys out.
But you guys are doing coolstuff and I'm excited to see
where it goes me too.

Dallin (48:13):
Yeah, it's very much.
We're laying the groundwork andit's really exciting.
So yeah, who knows, maybe Iwon't be at fidelity very much
longer.
We'll see, who knows?

Brett (48:22):
yeah yeah, that'd be cool , that'd be best case scenario
right, it's.
uh, yeah, I mean that's.
That's the thing that, like, istough is, you know, we I mean I
talk about that stuff all thetime like trying to go after
your dreams, um, trying toachieve things like I'm trying
to do it with, getting after it,like I'd love to be my
full-time job, that would be thedream where I'm coaching people

(48:43):
, doing a podcast, sellingshirts, whatever it is, like you
said, giving people the toolsto be successful in their races,
um, but you know to, to getthere, it requires a lot of
effort and work and time anduntil it, you know, comes to
fruition.
There, it requires a lot ofeffort and work and in time, and
until it, you know, comes tofruition, it's like, hey, you
just got to keep working at it,you know and I think about that.

Dallin (49:02):
You know like I want to look back and be like, wow, I
worked really hard for this,yeah.
But then I don't want to lookback and be like, man, I should
have enjoyed it, like I'm justtrying to enjoy every day.
You know like it's hard.
Why don't I just enjoy the, thechallenge of of life not being
very convenient for me?
yeah you know, once it, becauseonce it's gotten easier, I'm
gonna look back and think, wow,I really took that for granted,

(49:25):
right, and I think that's areally important mindset to have
.
Life is gonna suck sometimes,absolutely, but why not learn to
enjoy just the gr?
You know, the the dredge oflife, yeah, and just like you
know, you can choose to be happy.
Might as well be happy whileit's hard.

Brett (49:42):
Yeah.

Dallin (49:43):
Because then it's going to be so much easier to be happy
when it's easy, you know.

Brett (49:46):
There's a.

Dallin (49:47):
Then you're going to chase challenges that are
healthy for you and fun, youknow yeah.
So yeah, that's a big thingLike this has gone through my
mind.
There's a lot going on and itcan be overwhelming sometimes
and then I have to take a stepback and be like but you know
what?
I'm okay with this, I enjoythis, Just like that same

(50:09):
mentality in basketball.
I'm just going to enjoy thebasketball year because it'll be
better that way.

Brett (50:12):
Anyway, I love it man.

Dallin (50:14):
Take that to life.
While it's hard, just choose tohave a better attitude.
It's really that easy.
I mean it's hard, but also it'snot that hard, it's really not.

Brett (50:23):
Do you know who Alex Hormozy is?

Dallin (50:25):
No.
He's a big business guy, but hehas this quote where he says if
you can be in a bad mood for noreason, you can be in a good
mood for no reason.
Yeah, okay, I've heard that.
Yeah, it's like, yeah, I mean itis hard, but not really at the
end of the day it goes back tothat stimuli and response, right
yeah you have a stimulus whichlife is hard, right, it's really

(50:46):
easy for that to response, tonaturally just go to like
begrudgingly, you know, like, oh, this sucks, yeah, but you know
what?
Because there is a choice inbetween.
You could just choose torespond differently, right, you
could just choose to be happy orlike, respond hopefully or be.
You know, the cup is half full,instead of the cup is half
empty.

Brett (51:04):
Find something to be grateful about.

Dallin (51:05):
Exactly, and the power of gratitude is so underrated
Absolutely, but that's Takes youfar?
Oh, it does.
It can change a mindset soquickly.

Brett (51:18):
There's a lot of power and gratitude that isn't given
enough credit.
I absolutely like fully echothat that's yeah, gratitude's
gotten me through a lot, likeeven some of the hardest
situations in my life, like itgets me through a lot.
So, yeah, yeah, gratitude,patience, all that stuff.
So, yeah, man, anything elseyou want to share before we wrap
up?

Dallin (51:37):
oh, I think we got most of it.
There's a lot of, there's a lotof fun stuff we talked about.

Brett (51:41):
I was a little bit bummed .
We didn't talk about smellingsalts.

Dallin (51:45):
See, I've never actually bought smelling salts, but
that's something that peoplehave provided me, that I've
enjoyed being, you know.
I've enjoyed the fruits of themsecondhand really is and you
know, it's such a shock that I'mjust like I'm okay with the
world.
That's a little bit less um.
What's the world?

(52:06):
word amplifiers or whateverextreme yeah, yeah, because that
that really goes from zero to100 very quickly and then it
goes back to zero because thesmelling salts were away yeah, I
mean, and yeah you, you nowunderstand why all the strong
men do it and stuff, though yeah, you know and you know I'm a
thrower before I'm a lifter.
So you know I lift to a point,but I try to stay healthy.

Brett (52:28):
Yeah, that's good so, yeah, well, seriously, man, I
really appreciate you coming on.
This is an awesome episode.
I'm excited for everyone tohear it and yeah, um, um, it'd
be fun.
Yeah, I'll, I'll link yourInstagram and stuff in the bio
just so people can check you out, follow you and see what you're
doing.
And yeah, let me know when whenthrowing syndicate goes live
and we'll yeah, we will.

Dallin (52:49):
We got.
We got some fun stuff in theworks, so more tangible to start
talking about it a little bitmore, but it's exciting.
That is exciting, it's exciting, looking forward to that day.
Me too.
Me and Mike are having so muchfun.

Brett (53:04):
That's good dude.
Well, seriously, thank you.
Thanks for coming on.
Everyone else, thank you somuch for listening.
As always, keep getting afterit.