October 27, 2025 • 46 mins
This episode is a little different. It’s a raw, on-the-road conversation with my wife Ally and my brother Drew — recorded before and after we ran the Canyonlands 50K.
We talk about training. We talk about nerves. We talk about pain. And we talk about why anyone would willingly sign up to suffer for 31 miles across the desert.
You’ll hear real stories about what it feels like to hit a wall — and push through it anyway. From cramping legs to surprise hills, stomach issues to sand-covered trails, this race tested us. But it also taught us. That the work matters. That pain passes. And that you really can do hard things.
Whether you’re a runner, a builder, a parent, or just someone trying to level up — this one’s for you.
Three things you’ll take away:
- Why preparation is everything, and how to trust the work you’ve done
- What mental tricks we used when things got ugly
- How suffering with people you love builds stronger bonds
If this hits home, share it with a friend. Then go take a small step toward something hard. The finish line gets closer with every step you take.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
I felt like those documentaries where you like
watch them come in and sit down,and then it's like, what do you
have for, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (00:08):
What'd you do?
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
Well everybody, welcome back to the Getting
After Podcast.
This is a special on the roadepisode.
And I've asked Allie to sit herefirst because I had an idea.
We're about to run a 50K, whichis 31 miles tomorrow morning, in
Canyon Lands.
And I've ran an ultra marathononly once, and it's very
difficult.
A lot goes into it.
(00:30):
But with that same thing, a lotgoes into the training.
And I wanted to bring you first,and we'll talk to Drew later,
but I just talked to you abouttraining and talk to you about
how you're feeling and umeverything that's led up to you,
I guess, getting to this point.
When did you decide to run anultra marathon?
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
I mean, it wasn't in the books originally.
I never thought I would want todo that.
Wasn't until you and Drewdecided decided to sign up.
I think I even took a coupledays, weeks, I don't know.
I was like, okay, fine, I'll doit.
So I've only run one marathon,believe it or not.
Feels like I've run more.
I don't know why.
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
You've done a lot of distances though.
Like you've done a lot of highmileage distances preparing for
this thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
I guess, but it's just weird I've only had one
official marathon.
For some reason I've felt likeI've done more.
But regardless, despite onlydoing one, I just thought it'd
be another good challenge.
I think I was excited for trailrunning.
Yeah.
I've never done trail running,so I'm excited to see how that
goes.
It was a kind of a rash decisionto join you guys.
(01:40):
Yeah.
But I mean that was a few monthsago, so I've had time to like
let it sink.
unknown (01:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Well, talk to me about the preparation.
Like, what has training beenlike on a weekly basis?
How's your body responded?
Um, how have you fought throughdifficulties?
Like take me through like a weekof training.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Well, usually Tuesdays and Thursdays are my
purely run days.
Yeah.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday, lift,and maybe some cardio if I get
to it.
I probably have could have doneway more cardio.
I needed highlight highermileage weeks, and I never got
to that.
I really didn't.
I feel like I would have longruns on Saturdays, and then that
(02:20):
was like my big run.
I wasn't doing as much mileageas I should during the week.
So that's what I'm a littlenervous about.
I feel like I'm excited.
I feel like I can accomplish it.
Will I run the whole thing?
No.
And will it be very hard?
Yes.
I the biggest thing I've beenrunning into the last couple
(02:41):
long distances is my inner quadcramping really bad.
I feel like I've been doing wellon my electrolytes.
I bring them on my run.
I don't.
I'm guessing it's maybeweakness.
I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
So weakness as in what?
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
As in I'm not strong enough for the hills.
SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
Like your muscles?
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:59):
Yeah, I don't think that's true.
It feels very good.
Probably just overuse.
Like it happens in the mostweird ways, at least for me when
I'm running.
Like if I'm doing itconsistently.
I remember one time I had likethe bottom of my foot hurt for
weeks.
My ankle will just randomlystart hurting.
I don't think it's weakness.
I mean, maybe think like maybeyou tweaked it, but definitely
not weak.
I think anyone who signs up foran ultra marathon, you're not
(03:20):
weak.
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
I'm not saying I'm weak, but I mean I had quite a
bit of elevation gain for ashorter distance, like on my
training runs.
SPEAKER_03 (03:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
So I'm like, maybe it's just I've not used to the
mountain.
I don't know.
Maybe so that's something thatI've been that's been coming up.
That's probably the biggestthing I'm worried about because
when those quads get cramping,it's like inhabilitating.
SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
So somehow you fight through it though.
I remember when you had your24-mile run, and this is
something like I love Ally forthis.
Because like the last two miles,I remember you called me.
I was at work and you're like, Icannot run.
Like my legs were cramp, your myyour legs were cramping up, you
were basically waddling.
SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:01):
Um, and I remember you you called me and you're
like, I think I might have toldyou, I was like, Well, just
stop.
And you're like, no, I'mfinishing this thing.
Like, even if I have to go to aflat spot and just run.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Which I did.
I've had a treadmill in the lasttwo months.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
That's exactly what it takes to that's what it takes
to run an ultra marathon.
As in times will come up, likeAndy Glaze, love the guy, but
there's something he always saysis like, there will be there
will come a time during yourultra where you say, I'm done.
I just want to stop.
And you have to push past thosefeelings, and they only last for
a little bit of time.
Like if you think about thegrand scheme of things, like
(04:37):
we're only gonna be running foryou know five to seven hours.
SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
And bump those numbers up.
SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
If I hit seven, that's like an hour faster than
I expected.
I'm aiming for under I'm aimingfor under eight.
If I do, I'll be proud becauseI'm not on pace for eight hours.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
Well, I know it's it's the common phrase.
You got that dog in you?
You do.
You are an animal and you don'tstop until things are done.
And so I'm very excited to seeyou run.
I'm very excited to see you onthis race.
How are you feeling about it?
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Uh I'm split on feelings.
Half of me is very anxious andlike, holy smokes, because how
weird is it that you you knowyou're about to be in so much
pain.
Like voluntarily, I'm about tohurt so bad.
That is such a weird concept,right?
Wrap your head around.
So that anticipation is gettingme for sure.
(05:37):
But then the half of me is like,no way, it's already come up.
Like fast.
We're not running it tomorrow.
So the other half of me maybe isin denial.
I'm excited overall.
I think it'll be incredible.
I think it's gonna be beautiful.
I think it's gonna teach me alot of lessons.
I'm excited to like cross thefinish line.
Excited to have thatsatisfaction, that feeling.
(05:59):
However, I know it's just gonnatake every bit of my soul.
SPEAKER_02 (06:04):
And I'm excited to see how it goes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
You're gonna do great.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Well, uh What are you gonna tell yourself?
Last question.
What are you gonna tell yourselfwhen things get hard?
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Well, one, I'm gonna be non-stop praying.
I'm big on that.
I talked to Jesus and my dadnonstop.
I'm like, you guys better showup or something be pissed, you
know.
So I'll be talking to themnonstop.
And I think I just like toremind myself, like, the pain is
literally why I signed up.
Like, this is why I'm here.
I wanted to struggle, I wantedto feel the pain, I want to test
(06:35):
my limits, see what I'm able todo.
Like, that's the whole reasonyou sign up for a race like
this.
You don't expect it to be abreeze, you don't want it to be
easy.
That's not why you do races likethis.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
That's not why you do them.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
So just remind myself, like, by the way, you
actually wanted all this painand wanted to struggle and
wanted it to be difficultbecause the victory is gonna be
that much more sweet.
SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
Well, I'm excited to do part two tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (06:57):
I'm yeah, we'll see how it goes.
So I'm sure I'm gonna be in alot more rough shape.
The fact I can bend my legs is apretty good sign for right now.
We'll see how I do tomorrow.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
So all right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
Well, I'll see you soon.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
You'll see me soon.
Give me some.
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
Love, babe.
SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
Love you.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
Part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:17):
Hey, this is part two.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
Part two.
We're back.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Welcome back.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
Tonight you seem a little bit less worried and
anxious.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
Because it's over.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Because it's over.
Thank heavens.
Last night it seemed like youwere uh definitely thinking
about it.
You were worried about it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Which is funny because I definitely was
worried, but I slept pretty wellactually considering.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
Yeah, that's true.
But let's talk about the race.
How was it?
How'd it go?
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
The race.
Uh actually I think it washarder than I was expecting.
SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I I knew I was gonna finish, but I do think that it
was worse.
Um it felt honestly pretty goodmost of the time.
However, as far as like cardiogoes, how are like my joints
like jumping from boulder toboulder?
That was one thing I was notexpecting.
(08:12):
Plus an additional like 600 feetelevation gain that I wasn't
anticipating.
SPEAKER_03 (08:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
So just because the course it said it was gonna be
like 26.
SPEAKER_02 (08:21):
Yeah, I don't know what the issue was with that,
but yeah, it was definitelyawful.
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
It felt like I was hiking.
That's the one thing I I Ithought that there was like one
big climb and then a bunch oflittle ones.
It felt like I was hiking theentire time.
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Yeah, it's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
I just don't think I had the muscle for it.
But we did it.
I had some stomach cramps in thebeginning, which is weird.
That's the first.
Not sure if that was a a feelthing or hydration or fear,
probably.
But yeah, I've never really hadthat.
It did go after way or go awayafter some time, but I think my
core was pretty sore.
I don't know if it's because itwas more climbing or what, but
(08:57):
just weird pains compared tonormal.
However, tell me my I think Imentioned yesterday I've been
having bad issues with my quadscramping up.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
I did not cramp.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
And you had no knee issues.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
No knee issues.
I taped my knees.
I didn't tape my knees my lastcouple long runs.
And I guess too.
SPEAKER_02 (09:16):
So shout out to Brindley Walker.
If you're in uh the Draper area.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
Or she's in Linden.
SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
If you're in the Linden area and you have any PT
issues, go see Brindley Walkerat Resilient.
SPEAKER_00 (09:29):
R S L N T.
SPEAKER_02 (09:31):
Yes.
Check 'em out.
She's great.
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Saving my life.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
Anyways.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
She I mean, I should have been doing what she was
telling me this whole time, butI did it for the race and it
worked.
I assume my quads didn't crampup, knees were as strong as
they've been, my cap cramped alittle bit, but that's showbiz.
Yeah.
I was expecting something.
Didn't chafe anywhere, noblisters.
Like I was literally looked downupon God as a favorite child
today.
(09:54):
It felt incredible.
So as far as that goes, and Ithink I mentioned my goal was
under eight hours.
SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Yeah.
Tell everyone what your time wasbecause it's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
My time was six hours and 34 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Yeah, so you cut off basically an hour and a half of
your predicted time.
It's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
I was shocked.
And because my 24-mile-long runin the mountains took almost
seven hours.
Like it was slow because of howbad my quads are cramping.
And so I was anticipatingcramping quads, all those
things.
And I was like, no way I'm gonnaget an extra seven, six, seven
miles in under an hour.
So I was like, it's gotta be atleast eight hours, but I don't
(10:34):
know.
I guess today was my day.
I had a good race.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
What was the hardest part about the race?
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
I think there was a couple.
I think first one was for suremiles like 14 to 7.
14 to 20, let's be honest.
But 14 like 17, 18.
SPEAKER_02 (10:49):
That that stretch was the hardest part of the
race.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
That was that was I was like in shock.
I w mind blown.
That it was hiking.
SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
Basically, for everyone like listening to this
thing, for miles 14 to 20, itwas all uphill.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
And literally not even like flattening out really
ever.
SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
Yeah, nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
It was like you're on a hike and you're just
climbing rocks.
SPEAKER_02 (11:11):
It's brutal.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Luckily, it wasn't gravel, it was like it was sand,
though.
Big boulders.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
And bull, yeah, boulders too, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
That part was more boulders.
Yeah.
But yeah, the sand, I wasshocked because well, it had
rain yesterday, so I was like,oh, it's probably gonna be
pretty compacted.
Felt pretty good about that.
It felt like clay.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
Yeah, did you get to the part where it was like Did I
get to the part?
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
I sure hope so.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Well, yeah.
Well, do you remember the part?
Um, where you're going straightand then all of a sudden it like
goes down so fast, but it wasjust sand.
SPEAKER_00 (11:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:41):
It was like thick.
And it was kind of nice though,because then when I was going
down, it like it was cushiony.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
That's actually what I was gonna say is although I
hated it like running in thethicker of it, I like the parts
where you kind of are likeleaping from spot to spot at
some points.
And it was like, or the timesyou went downhill, I think it
was a lot softer on my knees.
Like I think it it like kind ofhad some give to it, which so at
those points it was pretty nice.
(12:06):
Overall, could have done withoutit.
So I think the hike was like,I'm gonna call it the hike
because that was crazy.
Yeah, that was the hardest part,and then as and then I'm just
like ghast after that.
Oh my gosh.
And then you get to that aidstation, and you're just like,
Oh, also, that aid station wasso far away.
So far away.
It's that like the max aidstation distance was like seven
(12:27):
miles or something.
That took so long.
I was like, I'm I'm like uhgonna pass out right here.
Like, where is this guy?
SPEAKER_02 (12:35):
I know it was tough.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
For like an hour, I was like, you come in?
What's happening?
So that was a nightmare.
Um, and then the other hard partwas the kick out where at mile
25 there's an A station, andthen you went two miles in one
direction and just flippedaround and came two miles back.
SPEAKER_02 (12:51):
Yeah, the people run the marathon just kept going
straight, but we didn't run the50k.
Yeah, had to get an extra fourmiles.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
And that was hard.
That was that was the deepestsand spot.
SPEAKER_02 (13:00):
Yeah, it was brutal.
And that was uphill too.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
Yeah, that was uphill.
Luckily, it was uphill one way,where I feel like the whole race
was uphill both ways somehow.
Yeah.
So it's crazy.
That was uphill, but that was areally special spot for me too,
because of course I saw you.
Yeah, I was at mount 25, Brettwas like about to finish, and we
were able to cross, and that Igot a little a little peck, and
(13:22):
that really got me going throughthe rest of it.
SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
And it's cool because I saw you the whole time
I was thinking, I was like, Ihope Allie's doing okay.
Like, I wonder where she is,where she's at, and like oh man.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, that was ice shaker.
Are you okay?
You good?
I was like, shockingly, I'm justlike emotionally not available.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Yeah, just talking.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
I'm exhausted.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
Well, what was your favorite part?
SPEAKER_00 (13:43):
Favorite part, probably that part seeing you
and Drew at that corner, andthen um also I felt really good
around mile nine to thirteen.
Random spot.
But it was fun because I wasrunning with Drew for a few
miles around there, and it waslike mainly downhill, and
downhill is where I shine.
So I was leader of the pack fora little bit around there.
(14:04):
But once I hit the A station at13, you just never saw me again.
I was walking from there on out.
So I always say like those milesfelt really good.
SPEAKER_02 (14:11):
Seeing people, yeah.
Seeing people it's funny howlike that does give a little
jolt to you.
You're like, oh man, all right,I can keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (14:18):
Yeah, so that was really nice.
And of course, like the finish.
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Of course, yeah, that was awesome.
Yeah, that was really coolseeing you go across.
And it was nice.
Shout out to Carmen for alsogoing across the finish line.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
Yeah, my mom like followed me in.
She's such a loser.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
It's so that's so cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Little cutie pie, but like such a dork, is what I
mean.
I didn't even know that she waschasing me until I watched the
video back and she's like, ow,yeah, ow with her sign or
whatever.
That was really cute.
SPEAKER_02 (14:42):
Um okay, so when things got tough, when you know
you're jumping from boulder toboulder or you're hiking up a
hill, what'd you tell yourselfto keep going?
Because you finished.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
I did.
I mean, I would tell myselfregularly, like, this is why we
signed up.
Yeah.
Right.
Like this was this is the wholeplan.
Like, you want to hurt, you wantto feel the pain, because like I
will finish, and it teaches methat I can do hard things, I can
finish.
Um, also, I talked to God anddad a lot.
I was like, guys, where are youat?
(15:14):
Did they talk back to me as muchas I would like?
Probably not, but it was stillkind of special for me to just
be able to like like wow, thisis like really happening, and it
was gorgeous.
So looking around, being likethe fact that I have a body
that's capable of handling thismileage, and we're running in a
beautiful place.
I was trying to just come from aplace of gratitude.
Yeah, like this is and the factthat my quads weren't cramping,
(15:37):
that was like the biggestblessing ever.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
Gratitude can get you far.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
And I recognize it while I was running.
I was like, every time I gotstepping and I didn't feel
blister, I was like, God, you'reso good.
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
So I love it.
So that's probably what what Iwas thinking about majority,
besides me just like counting mysteps because I'm bored.
I try to listen to Megan theStallion for the the end, and I
had cord headphones because myheadphones die so fast, and it
just got stuck up in my camelback.
It was just a mess.
So I was like, you know what,Megan?
Next time.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Next time, Megan.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
But it was beautiful, it was incredible.
I feel definitely very, verygrateful more than anything.
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
It's awesome.
I'm so proud of you.
I know, like, I I think you andI were laying in bed afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
And oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
I was just like, I'm so proud of you.
And you're like, you don't haveto say that.
And it's like, no, I I'm proudof you because I know how
freaking hard that was.
SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
I say, you c you I'm glad that you say it.
I'm just saying you don't haveto tell me like 17 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:35):
I know, but I just like I I'm like a little kid.
You know, I'm like a little kidwho gets something new.
I'm like, look at this, mom,like look at this, dad.
Like it's a cool new toy.
It's good.
But like I just want to be like,uh, I'm so freaking proud of you
because I know how hard thoseare.
Yeah.
And you did so good for yourfirst one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
That's one thing that um You pushed.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:52):
And you got what?
In your age five?
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
I got five in my well, there's only like fifteen
girl girls in my age group.
But five to fifteen in my agegroup.
And then um I got sixteen out ofI can't remember how many girls
ran.
That's awesome.
But females, sixteen out ofhowever many females.
SPEAKER_02 (17:14):
You beat me, I got 43.
I think it was like males.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Well, that's what's crazy is like there was not a
lot of female runners.
I felt like I was only aroundfemales.
SPEAKER_02 (17:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
But um, there's definitely more male runners,
and I was shocked how little wasin our age group, actually.
Only 15.
I know, it's crazy.
It's weird.
Um, that was really neat.
And um, oh gosh, I was gonna saysomething, but oh, I was just
gonna say, I think my favoritepart definitely is just the fact
that I ran with you and Drew.
Like that is so cool to be ableto do with your family, and not
(17:44):
only does it like bond you, butit's just neat that we can like
have these share experiences,and it's been like the best
week.
And then Emily is a freakingballer, like she's been so
supportive, and same with littleReese.
And so it's it's just like sofun to be with family this whole
week.
SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
So it was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00 (17:58):
Yeah, it was great.
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
And uh on to the next one.
SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
It's a little too soon to talk about this.
A little too soon.
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Well, not for you know, I'm already planning, but
um, I'm so proud of you all.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Thank you.
Thanks for getting me here.
SPEAKER_02 (18:12):
You know what?
You got yourself here, but youdeserve to be getting after it
athlete.
Oh, you already are.
I didn't know if you knew that,but you already are.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
I mean, I assumed.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
We all got we got our shirts every every athlete
today we're getting after itshirts is pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
I got the exclamation point one, which is
cool because I haven't seen itprinted yet.
So I really liked it.
SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
I'll put it up very comfortable to write it right
here in between us, so you cansee it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
And my exclamation point and you and Drew and your
getting after it's yeah, so youoh we didn't get a picture of
Reese without his jacket on.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
Oh, that's okay.
Reese was also wearing one.
So same with Emily.
Shout out to everyone.
Was Emily?
SPEAKER_00 (18:44):
Yeah, she wore a getting after a shirt.
SPEAKER_02 (18:46):
Dang it, okay.
Everyone wore them.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Yeah.
And my mom was mad at us becauseher and Brad have um getting
after shirts, and we didn't givehim a memo.
So next time.
SPEAKER_02 (18:55):
They did make signs though.
So that's true, they made signs.
Yeah, we're gonna.
Yeah, here we go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:00):
Anyways, as you can see.
Yeah, that was incredible, butI'm grateful for you.
SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
Hey, I'm proud of you, and I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
I love you too.
SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
All right, why aren't you wearing your hat?
I can wear my hat.
Go get it.
Go get it.
He's getting my hat right now sowe can match.
Yeah, here we go.
Canyon Lands Ultra Marathon,baby.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
How you feeling?
Feeling good.
Excited?
I'm excited.
Got a little bit of thebutterflies.
Yeah.
But overall, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
Well, I think uh how's it look?
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Looks good.
You look handsome.
SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
Thank you.
Look handsome.
That's uh that's a that's a goodsign.
Yeah um I think it's prettycrazy with your journey that
you're you've been on.
Um the fact that you're going torun an ultra marathon tomorrow
is pretty astounding, honestly.
Pretty crazy.
It's been two years, yeah.
Not even almost.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Yeah, no, it'll be uh two years November, I think.
Yeah, November.
SPEAKER_02 (19:56):
Um, but what's that been like?
Like going from zero, basicallyzero miles a week to now you're
doing an ultra tomorrow.
How's it feel?
SPEAKER_01 (20:05):
It feels pretty crazy.
Like um, like I was talking toAlly earlier this week, and it's
just crazy that I went from likerunning my first half marathon,
running my second half marathonand being under two hours, and
like that being so strenuous,and like afterwards, like I was
so hurt to like now where it'slike we run a half marathon on
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the regular, you know, we ran amarathon on a treadmill, and
like I didn't even hurtafterwards, yeah.
You know, so it's like it's justkind of crazy that we I've come
from running zero to about torun a 50k, it's so impressive.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
So like um, I don't know, I think it just shows kind
of what's needed for running anultra marathon.
And for me, like I when I ranit, it was basically it came
down to drive, like being hungryenough to get it done, and then
when things come up when itbecomes difficult to just commit
that you're just gonna getthrough it, and it doesn't
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matter how slow it takes you toget through that pain, like you
can get through it, yeah.
Um, and I just I I think you'vebeen such a good example to me
of just like, hey, I'm alwaysstriving for the next thing.
Um, because like you said, itwas like half marathon was the
first, and then it was marathon,and now you're like, why not an
ultra?
Let's go.
Um next is 50 miler, next is 50miler's in April in April, yeah,
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going to Sedona.
So it'll be a lot like CanyonLands, but um talk to me about
the training.
How was that?
Um like it was a lot oftraining, it was a lot of time
on feet, a lot of miles everysingle week.
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Um, how have you prepared for tomorrow?
I think I've put in everythingthat I possibly could.
Like, we had a lot of volume umin the training, and I the one
thing I could have probably donebetter is like getting out and
running more in the mountains.
Yeah.
Um, but I tried to get as muchas I could done.
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The problem is it's just it'slike 90 degrees, you know, in
when I was trying to train.
So um, yeah, I feel like I'vejust put in the most effort that
I could.
Um and I think I'm just like I'mjust ready.
Yeah, you know, like I don'tknow how many miles I've ran
over the last how long have webeen training?
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Is it six months, seven months?
Since May, maybe?
I think so.
Yeah.
Probably May was when I missedthat marathon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the first week of May.
SPEAKER_02 (22:35):
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah.
So um, I mean, it's crazy.
So I mean, all the work that'sgone into it, you put everything
into it.
How's it make you feel fortomorrow?
SPEAKER_01 (22:44):
I mean, I I I just feel like I know I got it.
You know?
Like I've got a strategy, I'vegot I've got all the food I can
need.
Like I've I've just got it in myhead.
Yeah, I know what I'm gonna do,how it's gonna go, you know, and
I'm just gonna go out and getit.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
So well, I'm excited for tomorrow.
I'm excited to see how we allcome back afterwards.
And yeah, of course.
The nerves the nerves should bethere.
I mean, it's going to be hard.
Ali was just talking about howlike it's weird because you
expect so much pain going intothis event.
You sign up for it, and you'resigning up kind of for the
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reason of enduring pain, beingable to push yourself.
And I mean, I think that's whereI get my nerves for these
things, is like there's gonna beone time during that race where
I know I'm gonna be fightingmyself, just like, hey, you can
throw it in, you can throw inthe towel, but I'm just
difference is I'm just not gonnalook listen to that.
And no, you won't either.
So I'm excited to see how itgoes.
But me too.
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Um do you have a goal time?
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
Honestly, um I just want to finish it.
That's like my real goal, but Iwould love to be somewhere
between five and seven hours.
That's a good goal, yeah.
And I I feel like I can I feellike I can hit that too.
Yeah, so for sure.
Yeah.
Well, sweet man.
SPEAKER_02 (24:05):
We'll uh we'll bring it back tomorrow, but let's get
it.
Heck yeah.
Welcome back, sir.
Thank you.
And uh you are an official ultramarathoner.
SPEAKER_01 (24:15):
I'm an official ultra marathoner.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
That's right, baby.
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
That is sick.
Yeah, you should be proud ofthat.
How was how was the day?
SPEAKER_01 (24:25):
Um, it was good.
I I think that on our lastinterview I said I wasn't
anxious, didn't I?
Yeah, I think so.
I couldn't fall asleep till like11:30, so I was very anxious.
Just a little nervous.
Um waking up, I was lessanxious.
Yeah, and then when we gotthere, I'm not gonna lie, my
first like feeling was like,This sucks.
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I don't want to be here.
I don't want to be running.
And then we started, and it'sprobably because it was cold and
early, but then dark.
And dark, and then we startedrunning, and it took me a little
bit to warm up, and then I don'tknow, I just felt I did exactly
what I was gonna do.
Yeah, stuck to a simple pace outthe gate, and then got to the
downhills and really pushedmyself so I could try and make
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up time, and then uh, you know,got to a point where I was just
one foot in front of the other,yeah, you know, and then got my
I got my goal.
Yeah, what was your final time?
Final time was 624, and my goalwas five to seven hours.
That's awesome.
It's crazy.
I'm really proud of that.
Yeah, you and Allie both did waybetter than you thought you
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would.
Yeah, I there was a point in therace where I also thought I was
gonna do seven or eight hours.
Like that's where I was feeling.
Was it around the hill?
Yeah, it was like close to thehill because I was like, I have
to walk this.
Yeah.
Because it was just and therewas like little breaks where I
could run, but then for the mostpart, like which I think my
first mile on that hill, I did17 minutes.
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Okay, but then the rest of it, Ithink I did 13 to 15, so I felt
pretty good about that.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So it was tough to make up.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Like that was um Allie was just in here talking
about that, and how it was justlike from mile 14 to 20,
basically uphill most of thetime.
Yeah, and then like there's justno aid station, so there's no
support or anything.
SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
Yeah, it was kind of it was tough.
It was daunting.
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
It really was like when am I gonna get a break?
Yeah, I thought the same thing,it was rough.
Yeah, um, I did ask Allie, andI'm curious what you would say.
Like, what was the hardest partof the race?
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Besides the hill, I was hungry the entire time.
Really?
Yeah, like I I woke up feelinghungry even after I ate a bagel,
and um, and I had some tailwind.
Like at the beginning of therace, I felt hungry, and then so
I ate.
Normally I wait until I'm anhour in.
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I think I started eating 30minutes in, and then I was
eating every 20 to 30 minutes,and I went through all my food
until I got to last aid stationuh or to the the long one, yeah,
I think, or the yeah, whateverit was around 21.
Um, I ate like a a quesadillaand an and an orange, and then I
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got like refilled my water andmy electrolytes, so I was
feeling better.
Um, and then that last aidstation, I grabbed like four
bags of candy and a rice crispytreat, and I ate three bananas,
and then so that was just likeit was weird.
Like, I didn't like I kind ofgoing back to my no November
marathon, I think that was likeone of the biggest issues was
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electrolytes, and then I don'tthink I was eating enough.
Yeah, and then like I felt thatand I was feeling like nauseous,
and so I wanted to make sure Inever got to that point, even
though I was feeling hungry.
So I was trying to try and putdown as much food as things in
there, and that was really justthe hardest thing was like
making sure I was putting downmy food and then going, like
keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
I I think it like I noticed a very significant
difference like when I was noteating, even if it was for a
couple miles, because like thetrend terrain was pretty pretty
tough, difficult, and then umlike yeah, I would just feel
like my energy is starting to godown.
I was like, this is so weird,yeah.
Yeah, I mean it's it's awesome.
Um it's awesome just sittinghere and like being able to talk
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about this with you because it'sit's such a hard thing to do,
yeah.
Um so yeah, that makes totalsense.
Like, I I think that's somethinga lot of people struggle with is
the nutrition side.
Yeah, but what was your favoritepart of the race?
SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Honestly, it was so pretty.
And yeah, that was nuts.
And honestly, like I I felt likeit zoomed by.
Yeah, that was odd.
I felt the same way.
Like it was my longest run todate in miles and I think in
time.
Yeah.
Like, you know, six hours and 30minutes.
Like, that's not short, but likeall of a sudden, you know, like
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it was just over, and I waslike, oh, it didn't really seem
like it went very long.
Oh, it's crazy.
But besides that, I would say myfavorite part was when I saw the
finish line started running up,and then Reese ran across with
me, and then like I was I didn'tsee Emily standing with you
guys, and I was like, Where'sEmily?
Then I looked up and she waswaiting for me at the end with
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videotaping me.
And I think that was my favoritepart, was just getting to run
that with Reese and then gettingto celebrate with Emily right
away.
Yeah, so freaking cool.
Yeah, it was pretty, pretty fun.
Um, what'd you tell yourselfwhen it was hard?
Um, I feel like it really didn'tget hard until after 21 miles.
That's when I really started tostruggle a little bit.
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And I just had to keep remindingmyself like this is just a
Tuesday.
Yeah.
It's a Tuesday morning, or oh,it's a Wednesday morning.
And then when I got to like umfive miles left, I just said,
like, it's you know, it's justaround the corner.
And I just once I got to thatpart where they had us go out
and they turned around, yeah.
I kind of felt like I had almostlike a second win.
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I was still hungry, yeah.
But I was like, once I get upand out of this, I turn right
and I'm and I'm there, you know.
So like that kind of gave Gaveme some motivation to just keep
pushing.
It's crazy.
It's like it's just the littlethings too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
Um to get you through, like I I think, yeah, I
was astounded by how pretty itwas.
Um, like I told you, I I soundedlike Owen Wilson, I'd be running
and then look around and belike, wow, wow, yeah, you do it
better than I do.
Um, and it's just like, youknow, Allie brought up the good
like a good point of she thoughta lot about like gratitude.
(30:27):
Like yeah, she at least can behere doing what she's doing.
Right.
Um, I think it's just a lot ofstuff like that.
Like it's just how you look atit.
And um, I'm just freaking proudof you, dude.
Like insane.
Two years from swearing offrunning to today you ran an
ultra marathon.
Yeah, you should be proud ofthat.
I am proud of that.
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That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
Yeah, I feel like I I kicked butt today.
Like I was a little um there wasparts of the run where I felt
like I was letting myself down,if that makes sense, where I was
like, okay, I'm not gonna put inthis great time, like I'm just
gonna finish it.
And then by the end, I realizedlike, no, I did a great time for
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my first ever 50k.
Absolutely.
And like to be at 624, like thatwas I was proud of that.
You should be, dude.
So and I felt good likefinishing the cr like crossing
that finish line, just beinglike, okay, I'm finally done
with this.
I'm done, you know.
I could sit down.
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't sitdown.
It hurts to sit down now.
SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
So yeah.
Um, but hey, how's it make youfeel about the 50 miler?
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
Intimidated or intimidated because I know it's
a lot longer, and but at thesame time, I think it gave me
better insight on how I couldbetter prepare.
That's good.
Yeah.
For like like things that Icould have worked on during this
last training block for the 50kthat would have benefited me.
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Yeah.
So I think we're gonna do it.
Yeah, I think it like I get Iget excited, but I also like I
think it's just this experiencegave me a lot of insight into
how to be better.
Well, we're gonna crush that onetoo.
Yeah, we are.
SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
It's gonna be it's gonna be sweet, it's gonna be
dope.
So we got a lot, we got aboutwhat, six months of training
around there.
And then we'll get right to it.
Yep.
So we gotta sign up and yeah,that's it.
But dude, I'm freaking proud ofyou.
You are like I I've said it manytimes, though, you're one of the
dudes I look up to the most.
Because you got no quit in you,and yeah, it's just it's awesome
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to see you like succeed in theway that you are.
So man, thanks, dude.
On to the next one, on to thenext one.
Never finished, never finished,man.
Love it, love you, love you too.
Love you too.
All right, friends.
It's just me now.
My wife and my brother, they'reboth gone.
And I wanted to just share somethoughts that I have about this
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this race tomorrow.
Um I'm excited.
I think above all else, I'mexcited.
Of course, there's a little bitof nerves.
Like these things are painful,they're difficult to do.
But at the end of the day, youknow, I've prepared as much as I
can for this thing, and I knowthat the work that I've done is
going to propel me quiteliterally across the finish
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line.
I've built my body up to be ableto endure this kind of distance.
I've you know, eaten very well,I've stayed on top of my
nutrition, my electrolytes, myfuel.
I've stretched, I've got themiles in, I've logged them in
the mountains.
And now this is the time that weget to see how that all comes
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together.
How that formula of effort timesnutrition times recovery it
equals success.
And it's really interesting tome.
Um it all is based on yourpreparation.
Like all that work, everythingthat goes into basically
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preparing for tomorrow ispreparation, the training, the
fueling.
And it's interesting because ifyou think about big things that
people do, and it could be justyou know, it could be a 5k.
If you're training for a 5k,that's and you've never done
one, that's that could be a bigthing for you.
It could be starting a business,it could be starting a family,
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it could be going for a 50K.
But whatever you do up untilthat point to prepare for it is
preparation for this thing.
And for this Canyon Lands 50K,I've prepared for the past seven
months, and I know that theeffort that I've done is honest,
and it is exactly what I neededto do to get ready for this
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thing.
I'm confident that I'll be ableto get it done.
That confidence does not comefrom arrogance, it does not come
from believing that I'm betterthan anybody else.
That confidence comes fromsimply preparation, it comes
from understanding that I knowI've done what I can to get
ready for this thing.
And I'm confident in Allie andDrew, too.
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Like they're not in here, butI've seen the work that they've
done, I've seen how hard thatthey both get after it, quite
literally.
And it's it's so admirable, andit's so fun to see them both
succeed, it's fun to see themfail, but then get back up and
push.
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They don't quit.
And anybody who's out theregetting after life in any s
sense of the word, you know,you're getting after it's gonna
look different than mine.
My getting after it's gonna lookdifferent than Cameron Haynes.
And the thing is, is if you'redoing an honest effort, if
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you're putting yourself outthere, if you're trying as hard
as you can, that's gonna get youvery far.
That's gonna make you a betterperson.
And getting after it is alifetime focus.
It is a time for you to prepareto become the best version of
yourself.
And one thing that I think a lotof people kind of miss about the
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idea of getting after it is theycompare themselves a lot to
other people.
Like, today we've been talking alot about the race, and Drew and
Allie are both like, Brad,you'll finish like two hours
ahead of us, and I don't thinkthat's true at all.
They're just being nice.
But really, you know, you youcan compare yourself to so many
people, and you can compareyourself to what they're doing,
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how fast they are, if it's arace.
But in reality, you should justbe comparing yourself to who you
were yesterday.
If you're better than you wereyesterday, you can call it a
good day.
And I'm gonna be better tomorrowthan I was today.
Especially after I get those 31miles in, I'm gonna be feeling a
lot better.
But I will be better tomorrowthan I am today.
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And that's the power of doingthings like this, is I know that
I'll learn things.
I'll learn lessons about myself,I'll learn how to push past
doubt, push past fatigue, pushpast cramping legs or tired
legs, whatever the story mightbe, push past the elements and
come out on the other side witha story to tell.
And tomorrow night, I'll tell itto you.
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And until then, stay tuned.
Alright, friends, I'm back.
And I hope listening to Drew andAllie talk about their
experiences was inspiring, um,motivating, because both of Drew
and Allie, I think when I ran my50k, they both thought like I
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was crazy last year.
Um, and to see them both hereactually doing it with me was
pretty awesome.
Like Allie said that herfavorite part of the race itself
was um you know seeing Drew andseeing me at at different points
of the race.
And I think that's pretty spoton on how I feel.
Like seeing two people that Ilove push themselves in ways
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that they never have before anddoing something that's
incredibly difficult.
It was awesome.
It's just great to see.
And um I've been thinking a lotabout well, I want to back up
because this race was kind ofinteresting for me.
One, um it was a mo the racewow, it's a race that I ran that
had the most elevation I've everdone.
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It was only around 3,000 feet ofelevation gain, and I don't know
if there's races out there thatare like tens, tens of
thousands.
Um, but for me, it was myhardest.
It was the the most I've everdone.
And secondly, I didn't listen toheadphones or anything uh the
entire race, which is crazybecause usually when I'm
training, I'm always listeningto something, either a book, a
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podcast, or music.
Like it doesn't matter.
Usually something's in my ears,just kind of helps me think
about things.
But I wanted this race to bedifferent, I wanted to be fully
present, and I was basicallywriting out a journal entry in
my head as I was running.
Um, just so like my thoughtswere clear, so I had everything
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documented in my head, and Ijust remember getting there this
morning and everything was dark,it was cold, and you could tell
that there were nerves.
People were you know doing someruns before there were a lot of
people stretching, many peopleusing the bathrooms, which is a
common thing in races, butanyways, we started, and it was
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really a neat experience for meto be starting a race like this
and look to my right and I seeDrew and look to my left and I
see Allie.
And once we got through and westarted actually going on the
race, I I broke off a little bitjust so I could um you know, my
my legs are fresh, they feltgreat, so I kept pushing myself
a little bit there.
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But I mean, you heard me askDrew and Allie what the hardest
part of the race was, and I'lltell mine.
Um obviously they both mentionedthe hill.
That was difficult, that was ahard part of the race.
But for me, like one thing thatwas really difficult was um it's
egotistical, but I kept worryingabout my pace a lot.
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I kept thinking about like, ohman, I'm behind, I am not doing
as well as I can.
Which might have been true, butif you ask me right now, I'm I'm
telling you, I I gave it my all,I put it all out there.
And it's really interestingbecause like the you know, the
the human side of me wants me tohave a fast time, so people are
like, dang, that's awesome.
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This guy crushed it.
But in reality, it's just like II should set goals for myself.
And I even said this yesterdayyesterday when I recorded my
pre-race podcast, um, theepisode or the section just of
me, where I said, like, the onlyperson you should compare
yourself is to you yesterday.
And it's so interesting becauseit's it's easier advice to say
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than it is to take and apply.
And so I I struggle with thatfor a little bit, but then I
realized, like, you know what?
I'm not gonna be the fastest,I'm not gonna be the strongest,
I'm not gonna be the best atultra running, but I can be my
best, and I can do the very bestthat I can to at least try and
do something difficult with apositive attitude, right?
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So that was probably the hardestpart for me, besides the actual
physical aspect of the race.
But my most favorite part of therace was just it's honestly the
running community.
Like, I love running past peoplewho are way ahead of me, and
they turn around and they saythings like, um, they say, Hey,
you're doing great, or hey,great work, keep it up.
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It's just like everyone's reallymotivated and everyone's
supportive, and everyone'ssuffering together.
And it's so funny because like Iwas also running with people,
and I was like, man, I amfeeling it, and they're like,
Yeah, this this is getting hard,this sucks.
And so you're suffering allthese people together, and Ali
said the same thing like youshould you build these bonds
with people that you neverthought you would, and then it
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builds bonds with you know yourfriends and family that you run
it with even closer.
Like, it's funny because I I ranthe start of the race, um,
probably the first 10 miles Iran with some German guy, and he
uh he had pretty broken English,but he was great to talk to.
And um, I ran with a coupleother people throughout the
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race.
There's this dude in pinkshorts.
If you know if if that's you,you're the man, you were great
to run with.
Um it's just fun to be able toshare that experience with other
people and see them doingsomething difficult, seeing them
put themselves out there and andput themselves like in the face
of adversity and pain.
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Um just pretty interesting.
Like, I that it's why I lovethis thing.
It's why I love running.
It's because it is a challenge.
Andy Glaze said, Um, and I thinkI shared this with Allie
yesterday, but that there comesa point in every race that you
do, whether it's a marathon,whether it's a 5K or an ultra
marathon where you want to quit,where you want to throw in the
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towel, but you get to decide ifyou listen to that voice or not.
And the reason I love doingthese things is because it
teaches me that there's otherthings that I can do in my life
that are difficult, that arechallenging, that are going to
put me through pain, that aregoing to take a long time and
require me to be patient, butthe result is worth it.
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This race built confidence inmyself to know that I can push
myself and do difficult things.
The reason why Allie and Ialways talk about that phrase
that her dad says of you can dohard things, because I think a
lot of the times we forget that.
I think a lot of the times weforget that we are capable of
doing difficult things.
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We're so used to comfort, we'reso used to everything being
pretty easy in our lives that weforget about the benefits
adversity brings.
We forget about the confidencethat it builds within you.
Confidence comes from doing hardthings.
(43:56):
You know that by now bylistening to this podcast.
It comes from many things, butconfidence comes from hard
things that has to be thebiggest one for me.
That's like, yes, you can haveconfidence in who you are as a
person, in your job, but ifyou're during if you're
suffering, if you're doingsomething difficult, that
teaches you, that really teachesyourself a lot about who you
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are.
If you're able to keep going,despite being in s in pain and
your ankles are swelling andyour feet are starting to
blister, your legs are startingto stiffen up and not want to
move, your body's feeling low onenergy, you're tired.
But you decide to keep going andpush on.
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And no matter how strong thosefeelings become, you persevere.
And you just take one step at atime, one step in front of the
other, and that's how you get tothe finish line.
So I'm very glad that I was ableto do this race.
It was probably my most favoriterace that I've done in terms of
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the course, in terms of thechallenge, in terms of who I was
running with.
Um it was great.
And in Mad Moose events, I'vegot to give a shout out to them.
They're the guys that put thathosted this race.
They're great at hosting races,loved it.
So if you're thinking aboutwriting an ultra, I'd highly
recommend a Mad Moose event.
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So, anyways, that's all whatgetting after it's about is
setting the bar high foryourself and then doing all you
can to reach that.
And then once you do, you keepthat standard, you hold it, and
you continue pushing yourself inways that you didn't think you
could.
So this I hope this episode waskind of fun.
Um, kind of a cool insight intopre-race nerves versus or like
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pre-race nerves, worries aboutthe race, um, you know, a lot of
curiosity versus actuallycompleting it, talking about
some of the hardest things,talking about some things that
enjoyed, and then also thelessons that are learned in the
race itself.
And the biggest takeaway for metoday is you can do hard things.
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Allie proved that, Drew provedthat, and I proved it.
And so did all the other 100racers that ran with us.
They all proved that you can dodifficult things.
So, um, if there's something inyour life that you know you want
to go and pursue, but you knowit's gonna be hard, take one
step.
Just take a small step today.
Because when I was running thatrace, I was taking a lot of
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small steps.
But all those small steps got meto cross the finish line.
And it can do the same thing foryou.
So I appreciate you guys forlistening to this episode.
It means a lot.
Um, as always.
If you liked it, please uh leavea rating on Apple Podcasts or
Spotify, share it with a friend,and as always, keep getting
after it.
Thanks, guys.
I felt like those documentaries where you like
watch them come in and sit down,and then it's like, what do you
have for, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (00:08):
What'd you do?
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (00:09):
Well everybody, welcome back to the Getting
After Podcast.
This is a special on the roadepisode.
And I've asked Allie to sit herefirst because I had an idea.
We're about to run a 50K, whichis 31 miles tomorrow morning, in
Canyon Lands.
And I've ran an ultra marathononly once, and it's very
difficult.
A lot goes into it.
(00:30):
But with that same thing, a lotgoes into the training.
And I wanted to bring you first,and we'll talk to Drew later,
but I just talked to you abouttraining and talk to you about
how you're feeling and umeverything that's led up to you,
I guess, getting to this point.
When did you decide to run anultra marathon?
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
I mean, it wasn't in the books originally.
I never thought I would want todo that.
Wasn't until you and Drewdecided decided to sign up.
I think I even took a coupledays, weeks, I don't know.
I was like, okay, fine, I'll doit.
So I've only run one marathon,believe it or not.
Feels like I've run more.
I don't know why.
SPEAKER_02 (01:13):
You've done a lot of distances though.
Like you've done a lot of highmileage distances preparing for
this thing.
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
I guess, but it's just weird I've only had one
official marathon.
For some reason I've felt likeI've done more.
But regardless, despite onlydoing one, I just thought it'd
be another good challenge.
I think I was excited for trailrunning.
Yeah.
I've never done trail running,so I'm excited to see how that
goes.
It was a kind of a rash decisionto join you guys.
(01:40):
Yeah.
But I mean that was a few monthsago, so I've had time to like
let it sink.
unknown (01:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Well, talk to me about the preparation.
Like, what has training beenlike on a weekly basis?
How's your body responded?
Um, how have you fought throughdifficulties?
Like take me through like a weekof training.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
Well, usually Tuesdays and Thursdays are my
purely run days.
Yeah.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday, lift,and maybe some cardio if I get
to it.
I probably have could have doneway more cardio.
I needed highlight highermileage weeks, and I never got
to that.
I really didn't.
I feel like I would have longruns on Saturdays, and then that
(02:20):
was like my big run.
I wasn't doing as much mileageas I should during the week.
So that's what I'm a littlenervous about.
I feel like I'm excited.
I feel like I can accomplish it.
Will I run the whole thing?
No.
And will it be very hard?
Yes.
I the biggest thing I've beenrunning into the last couple
(02:41):
long distances is my inner quadcramping really bad.
I feel like I've been doing wellon my electrolytes.
I bring them on my run.
I don't.
I'm guessing it's maybeweakness.
I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
So weakness as in what?
SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
As in I'm not strong enough for the hills.
SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
Like your muscles?
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:59):
Yeah, I don't think that's true.
It feels very good.
Probably just overuse.
Like it happens in the mostweird ways, at least for me when
I'm running.
Like if I'm doing itconsistently.
I remember one time I had likethe bottom of my foot hurt for
weeks.
My ankle will just randomlystart hurting.
I don't think it's weakness.
I mean, maybe think like maybeyou tweaked it, but definitely
not weak.
I think anyone who signs up foran ultra marathon, you're not
(03:20):
weak.
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
I'm not saying I'm weak, but I mean I had quite a
bit of elevation gain for ashorter distance, like on my
training runs.
SPEAKER_03 (03:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
So I'm like, maybe it's just I've not used to the
mountain.
I don't know.
Maybe so that's something thatI've been that's been coming up.
That's probably the biggestthing I'm worried about because
when those quads get cramping,it's like inhabilitating.
SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
So somehow you fight through it though.
I remember when you had your24-mile run, and this is
something like I love Ally forthis.
Because like the last two miles,I remember you called me.
I was at work and you're like, Icannot run.
Like my legs were cramp, your myyour legs were cramping up, you
were basically waddling.
SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:01):
Um, and I remember you you called me and you're
like, I think I might have toldyou, I was like, Well, just
stop.
And you're like, no, I'mfinishing this thing.
Like, even if I have to go to aflat spot and just run.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Which I did.
I've had a treadmill in the lasttwo months.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02 (04:15):
That's exactly what it takes to that's what it takes
to run an ultra marathon.
As in times will come up, likeAndy Glaze, love the guy, but
there's something he always saysis like, there will be there
will come a time during yourultra where you say, I'm done.
I just want to stop.
And you have to push past thosefeelings, and they only last for
a little bit of time.
Like if you think about thegrand scheme of things, like
(04:37):
we're only gonna be running foryou know five to seven hours.
SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
And bump those numbers up.
SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
If I hit seven, that's like an hour faster than
I expected.
I'm aiming for under I'm aimingfor under eight.
If I do, I'll be proud becauseI'm not on pace for eight hours.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
Well, I know it's it's the common phrase.
You got that dog in you?
You do.
You are an animal and you don'tstop until things are done.
And so I'm very excited to seeyou run.
I'm very excited to see you onthis race.
How are you feeling about it?
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Uh I'm split on feelings.
Half of me is very anxious andlike, holy smokes, because how
weird is it that you you knowyou're about to be in so much
pain.
Like voluntarily, I'm about tohurt so bad.
That is such a weird concept,right?
Wrap your head around.
So that anticipation is gettingme for sure.
(05:37):
But then the half of me is like,no way, it's already come up.
Like fast.
We're not running it tomorrow.
So the other half of me maybe isin denial.
I'm excited overall.
I think it'll be incredible.
I think it's gonna be beautiful.
I think it's gonna teach me alot of lessons.
I'm excited to like cross thefinish line.
Excited to have thatsatisfaction, that feeling.
(05:59):
However, I know it's just gonnatake every bit of my soul.
SPEAKER_02 (06:04):
And I'm excited to see how it goes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
You're gonna do great.
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Well, uh What are you gonna tell yourself?
Last question.
What are you gonna tell yourselfwhen things get hard?
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Well, one, I'm gonna be non-stop praying.
I'm big on that.
I talked to Jesus and my dadnonstop.
I'm like, you guys better showup or something be pissed, you
know.
So I'll be talking to themnonstop.
And I think I just like toremind myself, like, the pain is
literally why I signed up.
Like, this is why I'm here.
I wanted to struggle, I wantedto feel the pain, I want to test
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my limits, see what I'm able todo.
Like, that's the whole reasonyou sign up for a race like
this.
You don't expect it to be abreeze, you don't want it to be
easy.
That's not why you do races likethis.
SPEAKER_02 (06:44):
That's not why you do them.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
So just remind myself, like, by the way, you
actually wanted all this painand wanted to struggle and
wanted it to be difficultbecause the victory is gonna be
that much more sweet.
SPEAKER_02 (06:54):
Well, I'm excited to do part two tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00 (06:57):
I'm yeah, we'll see how it goes.
So I'm sure I'm gonna be in alot more rough shape.
The fact I can bend my legs is apretty good sign for right now.
We'll see how I do tomorrow.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (07:08):
So all right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:10):
Well, I'll see you soon.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
You'll see me soon.
Give me some.
SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
Love, babe.
SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
Love you.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
Part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:17):
Hey, this is part two.
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
Part two.
We're back.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Welcome back.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02 (07:22):
Tonight you seem a little bit less worried and
anxious.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
Because it's over.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Because it's over.
Thank heavens.
Last night it seemed like youwere uh definitely thinking
about it.
You were worried about it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Which is funny because I definitely was
worried, but I slept pretty wellactually considering.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
Yeah, that's true.
But let's talk about the race.
How was it?
How'd it go?
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
The race.
Uh actually I think it washarder than I was expecting.
SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I I knew I was gonna finish, but I do think that it
was worse.
Um it felt honestly pretty goodmost of the time.
However, as far as like cardiogoes, how are like my joints
like jumping from boulder toboulder?
That was one thing I was notexpecting.
(08:12):
Plus an additional like 600 feetelevation gain that I wasn't
anticipating.
SPEAKER_03 (08:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
So just because the course it said it was gonna be
like 26.
SPEAKER_02 (08:21):
Yeah, I don't know what the issue was with that,
but yeah, it was definitelyawful.
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
It felt like I was hiking.
That's the one thing I I Ithought that there was like one
big climb and then a bunch oflittle ones.
It felt like I was hiking theentire time.
SPEAKER_02 (08:33):
Yeah, it's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
I just don't think I had the muscle for it.
But we did it.
I had some stomach cramps in thebeginning, which is weird.
That's the first.
Not sure if that was a a feelthing or hydration or fear,
probably.
But yeah, I've never really hadthat.
It did go after way or go awayafter some time, but I think my
core was pretty sore.
I don't know if it's because itwas more climbing or what, but
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just weird pains compared tonormal.
However, tell me my I think Imentioned yesterday I've been
having bad issues with my quadscramping up.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
I did not cramp.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
And you had no knee issues.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
No knee issues.
I taped my knees.
I didn't tape my knees my lastcouple long runs.
And I guess too.
SPEAKER_02 (09:16):
So shout out to Brindley Walker.
If you're in uh the Draper area.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
Or she's in Linden.
SPEAKER_02 (09:23):
If you're in the Linden area and you have any PT
issues, go see Brindley Walkerat Resilient.
SPEAKER_00 (09:29):
R S L N T.
SPEAKER_02 (09:31):
Yes.
Check 'em out.
She's great.
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Saving my life.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
Anyways.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
She I mean, I should have been doing what she was
telling me this whole time, butI did it for the race and it
worked.
I assume my quads didn't crampup, knees were as strong as
they've been, my cap cramped alittle bit, but that's showbiz.
Yeah.
I was expecting something.
Didn't chafe anywhere, noblisters.
Like I was literally looked downupon God as a favorite child
today.
(09:54):
It felt incredible.
So as far as that goes, and Ithink I mentioned my goal was
under eight hours.
SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Yeah.
Tell everyone what your time wasbecause it's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00 (10:04):
My time was six hours and 34 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Yeah, so you cut off basically an hour and a half of
your predicted time.
It's amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (10:11):
I was shocked.
And because my 24-mile-long runin the mountains took almost
seven hours.
Like it was slow because of howbad my quads are cramping.
And so I was anticipatingcramping quads, all those
things.
And I was like, no way I'm gonnaget an extra seven, six, seven
miles in under an hour.
So I was like, it's gotta be atleast eight hours, but I don't
(10:34):
know.
I guess today was my day.
I had a good race.
SPEAKER_02 (10:37):
What was the hardest part about the race?
SPEAKER_00 (10:40):
I think there was a couple.
I think first one was for suremiles like 14 to 7.
14 to 20, let's be honest.
But 14 like 17, 18.
SPEAKER_02 (10:49):
That that stretch was the hardest part of the
race.
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
That was that was I was like in shock.
I w mind blown.
That it was hiking.
SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
Basically, for everyone like listening to this
thing, for miles 14 to 20, itwas all uphill.
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
And literally not even like flattening out really
ever.
SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
Yeah, nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
It was like you're on a hike and you're just
climbing rocks.
SPEAKER_02 (11:11):
It's brutal.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Luckily, it wasn't gravel, it was like it was sand,
though.
Big boulders.
SPEAKER_02 (11:15):
And bull, yeah, boulders too, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
That part was more boulders.
Yeah.
But yeah, the sand, I wasshocked because well, it had
rain yesterday, so I was like,oh, it's probably gonna be
pretty compacted.
Felt pretty good about that.
It felt like clay.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
Yeah, did you get to the part where it was like Did I
get to the part?
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
I sure hope so.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
Well, yeah.
Well, do you remember the part?
Um, where you're going straightand then all of a sudden it like
goes down so fast, but it wasjust sand.
SPEAKER_00 (11:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:41):
It was like thick.
And it was kind of nice though,because then when I was going
down, it like it was cushiony.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
That's actually what I was gonna say is although I
hated it like running in thethicker of it, I like the parts
where you kind of are likeleaping from spot to spot at
some points.
And it was like, or the timesyou went downhill, I think it
was a lot softer on my knees.
Like I think it it like kind ofhad some give to it, which so at
those points it was pretty nice.
(12:06):
Overall, could have done withoutit.
So I think the hike was like,I'm gonna call it the hike
because that was crazy.
Yeah, that was the hardest part,and then as and then I'm just
like ghast after that.
Oh my gosh.
And then you get to that aidstation, and you're just like,
Oh, also, that aid station wasso far away.
So far away.
It's that like the max aidstation distance was like seven
(12:27):
miles or something.
That took so long.
I was like, I'm I'm like uhgonna pass out right here.
Like, where is this guy?
SPEAKER_02 (12:35):
I know it was tough.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
For like an hour, I was like, you come in?
What's happening?
So that was a nightmare.
Um, and then the other hard partwas the kick out where at mile
25 there's an A station, andthen you went two miles in one
direction and just flippedaround and came two miles back.
SPEAKER_02 (12:51):
Yeah, the people run the marathon just kept going
straight, but we didn't run the50k.
Yeah, had to get an extra fourmiles.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
And that was hard.
That was that was the deepestsand spot.
SPEAKER_02 (13:00):
Yeah, it was brutal.
And that was uphill too.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
Yeah, that was uphill.
Luckily, it was uphill one way,where I feel like the whole race
was uphill both ways somehow.
Yeah.
So it's crazy.
That was uphill, but that was areally special spot for me too,
because of course I saw you.
Yeah, I was at mount 25, Brettwas like about to finish, and we
were able to cross, and that Igot a little a little peck, and
(13:22):
that really got me going throughthe rest of it.
SPEAKER_02 (13:24):
And it's cool because I saw you the whole time
I was thinking, I was like, Ihope Allie's doing okay.
Like, I wonder where she is,where she's at, and like oh man.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
Yeah, that was ice shaker.
Are you okay?
You good?
I was like, shockingly, I'm justlike emotionally not available.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Yeah, just talking.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
I'm exhausted.
SPEAKER_02 (13:41):
Well, what was your favorite part?
SPEAKER_00 (13:43):
Favorite part, probably that part seeing you
and Drew at that corner, andthen um also I felt really good
around mile nine to thirteen.
Random spot.
But it was fun because I wasrunning with Drew for a few
miles around there, and it waslike mainly downhill, and
downhill is where I shine.
So I was leader of the pack fora little bit around there.
(14:04):
But once I hit the A station at13, you just never saw me again.
I was walking from there on out.
So I always say like those milesfelt really good.
SPEAKER_02 (14:11):
Seeing people, yeah.
Seeing people it's funny howlike that does give a little
jolt to you.
You're like, oh man, all right,I can keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (14:18):
Yeah, so that was really nice.
And of course, like the finish.
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Of course, yeah, that was awesome.
Yeah, that was really coolseeing you go across.
And it was nice.
Shout out to Carmen for alsogoing across the finish line.
SPEAKER_00 (14:27):
Yeah, my mom like followed me in.
She's such a loser.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
It's so that's so cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Little cutie pie, but like such a dork, is what I
mean.
I didn't even know that she waschasing me until I watched the
video back and she's like, ow,yeah, ow with her sign or
whatever.
That was really cute.
SPEAKER_02 (14:42):
Um okay, so when things got tough, when you know
you're jumping from boulder toboulder or you're hiking up a
hill, what'd you tell yourselfto keep going?
Because you finished.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
I did.
I mean, I would tell myselfregularly, like, this is why we
signed up.
Yeah.
Right.
Like this was this is the wholeplan.
Like, you want to hurt, you wantto feel the pain, because like I
will finish, and it teaches methat I can do hard things, I can
finish.
Um, also, I talked to God anddad a lot.
I was like, guys, where are youat?
(15:14):
Did they talk back to me as muchas I would like?
Probably not, but it was stillkind of special for me to just
be able to like like wow, thisis like really happening, and it
was gorgeous.
So looking around, being likethe fact that I have a body
that's capable of handling thismileage, and we're running in a
beautiful place.
I was trying to just come from aplace of gratitude.
Yeah, like this is and the factthat my quads weren't cramping,
(15:37):
that was like the biggestblessing ever.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
Gratitude can get you far.
SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
And I recognize it while I was running.
I was like, every time I gotstepping and I didn't feel
blister, I was like, God, you'reso good.
SPEAKER_03 (15:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
So I love it.
So that's probably what what Iwas thinking about majority,
besides me just like counting mysteps because I'm bored.
I try to listen to Megan theStallion for the the end, and I
had cord headphones because myheadphones die so fast, and it
just got stuck up in my camelback.
It was just a mess.
So I was like, you know what,Megan?
Next time.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Next time, Megan.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
But it was beautiful, it was incredible.
I feel definitely very, verygrateful more than anything.
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
It's awesome.
I'm so proud of you.
I know, like, I I think you andI were laying in bed afterwards.
SPEAKER_00 (16:22):
And oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
I was just like, I'm so proud of you.
And you're like, you don't haveto say that.
And it's like, no, I I'm proudof you because I know how
freaking hard that was.
SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
I say, you c you I'm glad that you say it.
I'm just saying you don't haveto tell me like 17 minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:35):
I know, but I just like I I'm like a little kid.
You know, I'm like a little kidwho gets something new.
I'm like, look at this, mom,like look at this, dad.
Like it's a cool new toy.
It's good.
But like I just want to be like,uh, I'm so freaking proud of you
because I know how hard thoseare.
Yeah.
And you did so good for yourfirst one.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
That's one thing that um You pushed.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:52):
And you got what?
In your age five?
SPEAKER_00 (16:55):
I got five in my well, there's only like fifteen
girl girls in my age group.
But five to fifteen in my agegroup.
And then um I got sixteen out ofI can't remember how many girls
ran.
That's awesome.
But females, sixteen out ofhowever many females.
SPEAKER_02 (17:14):
You beat me, I got 43.
I think it was like males.
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Well, that's what's crazy is like there was not a
lot of female runners.
I felt like I was only aroundfemales.
SPEAKER_02 (17:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
But um, there's definitely more male runners,
and I was shocked how little wasin our age group, actually.
Only 15.
I know, it's crazy.
It's weird.
Um, that was really neat.
And um, oh gosh, I was gonna saysomething, but oh, I was just
gonna say, I think my favoritepart definitely is just the fact
that I ran with you and Drew.
Like that is so cool to be ableto do with your family, and not
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only does it like bond you, butit's just neat that we can like
have these share experiences,and it's been like the best
week.
And then Emily is a freakingballer, like she's been so
supportive, and same with littleReese.
And so it's it's just like sofun to be with family this whole
week.
SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
So it was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00 (17:58):
Yeah, it was great.
SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
And uh on to the next one.
SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
It's a little too soon to talk about this.
A little too soon.
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Well, not for you know, I'm already planning, but
um, I'm so proud of you all.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
Thank you.
Thanks for getting me here.
SPEAKER_02 (18:12):
You know what?
You got yourself here, but youdeserve to be getting after it
athlete.
Oh, you already are.
I didn't know if you knew that,but you already are.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
I mean, I assumed.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
We all got we got our shirts every every athlete
today we're getting after itshirts is pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
I got the exclamation point one, which is
cool because I haven't seen itprinted yet.
So I really liked it.
SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
I'll put it up very comfortable to write it right
here in between us, so you cansee it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
And my exclamation point and you and Drew and your
getting after it's yeah, so youoh we didn't get a picture of
Reese without his jacket on.
SPEAKER_02 (18:41):
Oh, that's okay.
Reese was also wearing one.
So same with Emily.
Shout out to everyone.
Was Emily?
SPEAKER_00 (18:44):
Yeah, she wore a getting after a shirt.
SPEAKER_02 (18:46):
Dang it, okay.
Everyone wore them.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
Yeah.
And my mom was mad at us becauseher and Brad have um getting
after shirts, and we didn't givehim a memo.
So next time.
SPEAKER_02 (18:55):
They did make signs though.
So that's true, they made signs.
Yeah, we're gonna.
Yeah, here we go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:00):
Anyways, as you can see.
Yeah, that was incredible, butI'm grateful for you.
SPEAKER_02 (19:03):
Hey, I'm proud of you, and I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
I love you too.
SPEAKER_02 (19:06):
All right, why aren't you wearing your hat?
I can wear my hat.
Go get it.
Go get it.
He's getting my hat right now sowe can match.
Yeah, here we go.
Canyon Lands Ultra Marathon,baby.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
How you feeling?
Feeling good.
Excited?
I'm excited.
Got a little bit of thebutterflies.
Yeah.
But overall, I'm excited.
SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
Well, I think uh how's it look?
SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Looks good.
You look handsome.
SPEAKER_02 (19:34):
Thank you.
Look handsome.
That's uh that's a that's a goodsign.
Yeah um I think it's prettycrazy with your journey that
you're you've been on.
Um the fact that you're going torun an ultra marathon tomorrow
is pretty astounding, honestly.
Pretty crazy.
It's been two years, yeah.
Not even almost.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Yeah, no, it'll be uh two years November, I think.
Yeah, November.
SPEAKER_02 (19:56):
Um, but what's that been like?
Like going from zero, basicallyzero miles a week to now you're
doing an ultra tomorrow.
How's it feel?
SPEAKER_01 (20:05):
It feels pretty crazy.
Like um, like I was talking toAlly earlier this week, and it's
just crazy that I went from likerunning my first half marathon,
running my second half marathonand being under two hours, and
like that being so strenuous,and like afterwards, like I was
so hurt to like now where it'slike we run a half marathon on
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the regular, you know, we ran amarathon on a treadmill, and
like I didn't even hurtafterwards, yeah.
You know, so it's like it's justkind of crazy that we I've come
from running zero to about torun a 50k, it's so impressive.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
So like um, I don't know, I think it just shows kind
of what's needed for running anultra marathon.
And for me, like I when I ranit, it was basically it came
down to drive, like being hungryenough to get it done, and then
when things come up when itbecomes difficult to just commit
that you're just gonna getthrough it, and it doesn't
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matter how slow it takes you toget through that pain, like you
can get through it, yeah.
Um, and I just I I think you'vebeen such a good example to me
of just like, hey, I'm alwaysstriving for the next thing.
Um, because like you said, itwas like half marathon was the
first, and then it was marathon,and now you're like, why not an
ultra?
Let's go.
Um next is 50 miler, next is 50miler's in April in April, yeah,
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going to Sedona.
So it'll be a lot like CanyonLands, but um talk to me about
the training.
How was that?
Um like it was a lot oftraining, it was a lot of time
on feet, a lot of miles everysingle week.
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Um, how have you prepared for tomorrow?
I think I've put in everythingthat I possibly could.
Like, we had a lot of volume umin the training, and I the one
thing I could have probably donebetter is like getting out and
running more in the mountains.
Yeah.
Um, but I tried to get as muchas I could done.
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The problem is it's just it'slike 90 degrees, you know, in
when I was trying to train.
So um, yeah, I feel like I'vejust put in the most effort that
I could.
Um and I think I'm just like I'mjust ready.
Yeah, you know, like I don'tknow how many miles I've ran
over the last how long have webeen training?
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Is it six months, seven months?
Since May, maybe?
I think so.
Yeah.
Probably May was when I missedthat marathon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the first week of May.
SPEAKER_02 (22:35):
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah.
So um, I mean, it's crazy.
So I mean, all the work that'sgone into it, you put everything
into it.
How's it make you feel fortomorrow?
SPEAKER_01 (22:44):
I mean, I I I just feel like I know I got it.
You know?
Like I've got a strategy, I'vegot I've got all the food I can
need.
Like I've I've just got it in myhead.
Yeah, I know what I'm gonna do,how it's gonna go, you know, and
I'm just gonna go out and getit.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
So well, I'm excited for tomorrow.
I'm excited to see how we allcome back afterwards.
And yeah, of course.
The nerves the nerves should bethere.
I mean, it's going to be hard.
Ali was just talking about howlike it's weird because you
expect so much pain going intothis event.
You sign up for it, and you'resigning up kind of for the
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reason of enduring pain, beingable to push yourself.
And I mean, I think that's whereI get my nerves for these
things, is like there's gonna beone time during that race where
I know I'm gonna be fightingmyself, just like, hey, you can
throw it in, you can throw inthe towel, but I'm just
difference is I'm just not gonnalook listen to that.
And no, you won't either.
So I'm excited to see how itgoes.
But me too.
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Um do you have a goal time?
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
Honestly, um I just want to finish it.
That's like my real goal, but Iwould love to be somewhere
between five and seven hours.
That's a good goal, yeah.
And I I feel like I can I feellike I can hit that too.
Yeah, so for sure.
Yeah.
Well, sweet man.
SPEAKER_02 (24:05):
We'll uh we'll bring it back tomorrow, but let's get
it.
Heck yeah.
Welcome back, sir.
Thank you.
And uh you are an official ultramarathoner.
SPEAKER_01 (24:15):
I'm an official ultra marathoner.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
That's right, baby.
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
That is sick.
Yeah, you should be proud ofthat.
How was how was the day?
SPEAKER_01 (24:25):
Um, it was good.
I I think that on our lastinterview I said I wasn't
anxious, didn't I?
Yeah, I think so.
I couldn't fall asleep till like11:30, so I was very anxious.
Just a little nervous.
Um waking up, I was lessanxious.
Yeah, and then when we gotthere, I'm not gonna lie, my
first like feeling was like,This sucks.
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I don't want to be here.
I don't want to be running.
And then we started, and it'sprobably because it was cold and
early, but then dark.
And dark, and then we startedrunning, and it took me a little
bit to warm up, and then I don'tknow, I just felt I did exactly
what I was gonna do.
Yeah, stuck to a simple pace outthe gate, and then got to the
downhills and really pushedmyself so I could try and make
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up time, and then uh, you know,got to a point where I was just
one foot in front of the other,yeah, you know, and then got my
I got my goal.
Yeah, what was your final time?
Final time was 624, and my goalwas five to seven hours.
That's awesome.
It's crazy.
I'm really proud of that.
Yeah, you and Allie both did waybetter than you thought you
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would.
Yeah, I there was a point in therace where I also thought I was
gonna do seven or eight hours.
Like that's where I was feeling.
Was it around the hill?
Yeah, it was like close to thehill because I was like, I have
to walk this.
Yeah.
Because it was just and therewas like little breaks where I
could run, but then for the mostpart, like which I think my
first mile on that hill, I did17 minutes.
(25:51):
Okay, but then the rest of it, Ithink I did 13 to 15, so I felt
pretty good about that.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So it was tough to make up.
SPEAKER_02 (25:57):
Like that was um Allie was just in here talking
about that, and how it was justlike from mile 14 to 20,
basically uphill most of thetime.
Yeah, and then like there's justno aid station, so there's no
support or anything.
SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
Yeah, it was kind of it was tough.
It was daunting.
SPEAKER_02 (26:12):
It really was like when am I gonna get a break?
Yeah, I thought the same thing,it was rough.
Yeah, um, I did ask Allie, andI'm curious what you would say.
Like, what was the hardest partof the race?
SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Besides the hill, I was hungry the entire time.
Really?
Yeah, like I I woke up feelinghungry even after I ate a bagel,
and um, and I had some tailwind.
Like at the beginning of therace, I felt hungry, and then so
I ate.
Normally I wait until I'm anhour in.
(26:45):
I think I started eating 30minutes in, and then I was
eating every 20 to 30 minutes,and I went through all my food
until I got to last aid stationuh or to the the long one, yeah,
I think, or the yeah, whateverit was around 21.
Um, I ate like a a quesadillaand an and an orange, and then I
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got like refilled my water andmy electrolytes, so I was
feeling better.
Um, and then that last aidstation, I grabbed like four
bags of candy and a rice crispytreat, and I ate three bananas,
and then so that was just likeit was weird.
Like, I didn't like I kind ofgoing back to my no November
marathon, I think that was likeone of the biggest issues was
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electrolytes, and then I don'tthink I was eating enough.
Yeah, and then like I felt thatand I was feeling like nauseous,
and so I wanted to make sure Inever got to that point, even
though I was feeling hungry.
So I was trying to try and putdown as much food as things in
there, and that was really justthe hardest thing was like
making sure I was putting downmy food and then going, like
keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
I I think it like I noticed a very significant
difference like when I was noteating, even if it was for a
couple miles, because like thetrend terrain was pretty pretty
tough, difficult, and then umlike yeah, I would just feel
like my energy is starting to godown.
I was like, this is so weird,yeah.
Yeah, I mean it's it's awesome.
Um it's awesome just sittinghere and like being able to talk
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about this with you because it'sit's such a hard thing to do,
yeah.
Um so yeah, that makes totalsense.
Like, I I think that's somethinga lot of people struggle with is
the nutrition side.
Yeah, but what was your favoritepart of the race?
SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
Honestly, it was so pretty.
And yeah, that was nuts.
And honestly, like I I felt likeit zoomed by.
Yeah, that was odd.
I felt the same way.
Like it was my longest run todate in miles and I think in
time.
Yeah.
Like, you know, six hours and 30minutes.
Like, that's not short, but likeall of a sudden, you know, like
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it was just over, and I waslike, oh, it didn't really seem
like it went very long.
Oh, it's crazy.
But besides that, I would say myfavorite part was when I saw the
finish line started running up,and then Reese ran across with
me, and then like I was I didn'tsee Emily standing with you
guys, and I was like, Where'sEmily?
Then I looked up and she waswaiting for me at the end with
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videotaping me.
And I think that was my favoritepart, was just getting to run
that with Reese and then gettingto celebrate with Emily right
away.
Yeah, so freaking cool.
Yeah, it was pretty, pretty fun.
Um, what'd you tell yourselfwhen it was hard?
Um, I feel like it really didn'tget hard until after 21 miles.
That's when I really started tostruggle a little bit.
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And I just had to keep remindingmyself like this is just a
Tuesday.
Yeah.
It's a Tuesday morning, or oh,it's a Wednesday morning.
And then when I got to like umfive miles left, I just said,
like, it's you know, it's justaround the corner.
And I just once I got to thatpart where they had us go out
and they turned around, yeah.
I kind of felt like I had almostlike a second win.
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I was still hungry, yeah.
But I was like, once I get upand out of this, I turn right
and I'm and I'm there, you know.
So like that kind of gave Gaveme some motivation to just keep
pushing.
It's crazy.
It's like it's just the littlethings too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:05):
Um to get you through, like I I think, yeah, I
was astounded by how pretty itwas.
Um, like I told you, I I soundedlike Owen Wilson, I'd be running
and then look around and belike, wow, wow, yeah, you do it
better than I do.
Um, and it's just like, youknow, Allie brought up the good
like a good point of she thoughta lot about like gratitude.
(30:27):
Like yeah, she at least can behere doing what she's doing.
Right.
Um, I think it's just a lot ofstuff like that.
Like it's just how you look atit.
And um, I'm just freaking proudof you, dude.
Like insane.
Two years from swearing offrunning to today you ran an
ultra marathon.
Yeah, you should be proud ofthat.
I am proud of that.
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That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
Yeah, I feel like I I kicked butt today.
Like I was a little um there wasparts of the run where I felt
like I was letting myself down,if that makes sense, where I was
like, okay, I'm not gonna put inthis great time, like I'm just
gonna finish it.
And then by the end, I realizedlike, no, I did a great time for
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my first ever 50k.
Absolutely.
And like to be at 624, like thatwas I was proud of that.
You should be, dude.
So and I felt good likefinishing the cr like crossing
that finish line, just beinglike, okay, I'm finally done
with this.
I'm done, you know.
I could sit down.
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't sitdown.
It hurts to sit down now.
SPEAKER_02 (31:29):
So yeah.
Um, but hey, how's it make youfeel about the 50 miler?
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
Intimidated or intimidated because I know it's
a lot longer, and but at thesame time, I think it gave me
better insight on how I couldbetter prepare.
That's good.
Yeah.
For like like things that Icould have worked on during this
last training block for the 50kthat would have benefited me.
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Yeah.
So I think we're gonna do it.
Yeah, I think it like I get Iget excited, but I also like I
think it's just this experiencegave me a lot of insight into
how to be better.
Well, we're gonna crush that onetoo.
Yeah, we are.
SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
It's gonna be it's gonna be sweet, it's gonna be
dope.
So we got a lot, we got aboutwhat, six months of training
around there.
And then we'll get right to it.
Yep.
So we gotta sign up and yeah,that's it.
But dude, I'm freaking proud ofyou.
You are like I I've said it manytimes, though, you're one of the
dudes I look up to the most.
Because you got no quit in you,and yeah, it's just it's awesome
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to see you like succeed in theway that you are.
So man, thanks, dude.
On to the next one, on to thenext one.
Never finished, never finished,man.
Love it, love you, love you too.
Love you too.
All right, friends.
It's just me now.
My wife and my brother, they'reboth gone.
And I wanted to just share somethoughts that I have about this
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this race tomorrow.
Um I'm excited.
I think above all else, I'mexcited.
Of course, there's a little bitof nerves.
Like these things are painful,they're difficult to do.
But at the end of the day, youknow, I've prepared as much as I
can for this thing, and I knowthat the work that I've done is
going to propel me quiteliterally across the finish
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line.
I've built my body up to be ableto endure this kind of distance.
I've you know, eaten very well,I've stayed on top of my
nutrition, my electrolytes, myfuel.
I've stretched, I've got themiles in, I've logged them in
the mountains.
And now this is the time that weget to see how that all comes
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together.
How that formula of effort timesnutrition times recovery it
equals success.
And it's really interesting tome.
Um it all is based on yourpreparation.
Like all that work, everythingthat goes into basically
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preparing for tomorrow ispreparation, the training, the
fueling.
And it's interesting because ifyou think about big things that
people do, and it could be justyou know, it could be a 5k.
If you're training for a 5k,that's and you've never done
one, that's that could be a bigthing for you.
It could be starting a business,it could be starting a family,
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it could be going for a 50K.
But whatever you do up untilthat point to prepare for it is
preparation for this thing.
And for this Canyon Lands 50K,I've prepared for the past seven
months, and I know that theeffort that I've done is honest,
and it is exactly what I neededto do to get ready for this
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thing.
I'm confident that I'll be ableto get it done.
That confidence does not comefrom arrogance, it does not come
from believing that I'm betterthan anybody else.
That confidence comes fromsimply preparation, it comes
from understanding that I knowI've done what I can to get
ready for this thing.
And I'm confident in Allie andDrew, too.
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Like they're not in here, butI've seen the work that they've
done, I've seen how hard thatthey both get after it, quite
literally.
And it's it's so admirable, andit's so fun to see them both
succeed, it's fun to see themfail, but then get back up and
push.
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They don't quit.
And anybody who's out theregetting after life in any s
sense of the word, you know,you're getting after it's gonna
look different than mine.
My getting after it's gonna lookdifferent than Cameron Haynes.
And the thing is, is if you'redoing an honest effort, if
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you're putting yourself outthere, if you're trying as hard
as you can, that's gonna get youvery far.
That's gonna make you a betterperson.
And getting after it is alifetime focus.
It is a time for you to prepareto become the best version of
yourself.
And one thing that I think a lotof people kind of miss about the
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idea of getting after it is theycompare themselves a lot to
other people.
Like, today we've been talking alot about the race, and Drew and
Allie are both like, Brad,you'll finish like two hours
ahead of us, and I don't thinkthat's true at all.
They're just being nice.
But really, you know, you youcan compare yourself to so many
people, and you can compareyourself to what they're doing,
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how fast they are, if it's arace.
But in reality, you should justbe comparing yourself to who you
were yesterday.
If you're better than you wereyesterday, you can call it a
good day.
And I'm gonna be better tomorrowthan I was today.
Especially after I get those 31miles in, I'm gonna be feeling a
lot better.
But I will be better tomorrowthan I am today.
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And that's the power of doingthings like this, is I know that
I'll learn things.
I'll learn lessons about myself,I'll learn how to push past
doubt, push past fatigue, pushpast cramping legs or tired
legs, whatever the story mightbe, push past the elements and
come out on the other side witha story to tell.
And tomorrow night, I'll tell itto you.
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And until then, stay tuned.
Alright, friends, I'm back.
And I hope listening to Drew andAllie talk about their
experiences was inspiring, um,motivating, because both of Drew
and Allie, I think when I ran my50k, they both thought like I
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was crazy last year.
Um, and to see them both hereactually doing it with me was
pretty awesome.
Like Allie said that herfavorite part of the race itself
was um you know seeing Drew andseeing me at at different points
of the race.
And I think that's pretty spoton on how I feel.
Like seeing two people that Ilove push themselves in ways
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that they never have before anddoing something that's
incredibly difficult.
It was awesome.
It's just great to see.
And um I've been thinking a lotabout well, I want to back up
because this race was kind ofinteresting for me.
One, um it was a mo the racewow, it's a race that I ran that
had the most elevation I've everdone.
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It was only around 3,000 feet ofelevation gain, and I don't know
if there's races out there thatare like tens, tens of
thousands.
Um, but for me, it was myhardest.
It was the the most I've everdone.
And secondly, I didn't listen toheadphones or anything uh the
entire race, which is crazybecause usually when I'm
training, I'm always listeningto something, either a book, a
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podcast, or music.
Like it doesn't matter.
Usually something's in my ears,just kind of helps me think
about things.
But I wanted this race to bedifferent, I wanted to be fully
present, and I was basicallywriting out a journal entry in
my head as I was running.
Um, just so like my thoughtswere clear, so I had everything
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documented in my head, and Ijust remember getting there this
morning and everything was dark,it was cold, and you could tell
that there were nerves.
People were you know doing someruns before there were a lot of
people stretching, many peopleusing the bathrooms, which is a
common thing in races, butanyways, we started, and it was
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really a neat experience for meto be starting a race like this
and look to my right and I seeDrew and look to my left and I
see Allie.
And once we got through and westarted actually going on the
race, I I broke off a little bitjust so I could um you know, my
my legs are fresh, they feltgreat, so I kept pushing myself
a little bit there.
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But I mean, you heard me askDrew and Allie what the hardest
part of the race was, and I'lltell mine.
Um obviously they both mentionedthe hill.
That was difficult, that was ahard part of the race.
But for me, like one thing thatwas really difficult was um it's
egotistical, but I kept worryingabout my pace a lot.
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I kept thinking about like, ohman, I'm behind, I am not doing
as well as I can.
Which might have been true, butif you ask me right now, I'm I'm
telling you, I I gave it my all,I put it all out there.
And it's really interestingbecause like the you know, the
the human side of me wants me tohave a fast time, so people are
like, dang, that's awesome.
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This guy crushed it.
But in reality, it's just like II should set goals for myself.
And I even said this yesterdayyesterday when I recorded my
pre-race podcast, um, theepisode or the section just of
me, where I said, like, the onlyperson you should compare
yourself is to you yesterday.
And it's so interesting becauseit's it's easier advice to say
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than it is to take and apply.
And so I I struggle with thatfor a little bit, but then I
realized, like, you know what?
I'm not gonna be the fastest,I'm not gonna be the strongest,
I'm not gonna be the best atultra running, but I can be my
best, and I can do the very bestthat I can to at least try and
do something difficult with apositive attitude, right?
(41:06):
So that was probably the hardestpart for me, besides the actual
physical aspect of the race.
But my most favorite part of therace was just it's honestly the
running community.
Like, I love running past peoplewho are way ahead of me, and
they turn around and they saythings like, um, they say, Hey,
you're doing great, or hey,great work, keep it up.
(41:28):
It's just like everyone's reallymotivated and everyone's
supportive, and everyone'ssuffering together.
And it's so funny because like Iwas also running with people,
and I was like, man, I amfeeling it, and they're like,
Yeah, this this is getting hard,this sucks.
And so you're suffering allthese people together, and Ali
said the same thing like youshould you build these bonds
with people that you neverthought you would, and then it
(41:50):
builds bonds with you know yourfriends and family that you run
it with even closer.
Like, it's funny because I I ranthe start of the race, um,
probably the first 10 miles Iran with some German guy, and he
uh he had pretty broken English,but he was great to talk to.
And um, I ran with a coupleother people throughout the
(42:11):
race.
There's this dude in pinkshorts.
If you know if if that's you,you're the man, you were great
to run with.
Um it's just fun to be able toshare that experience with other
people and see them doingsomething difficult, seeing them
put themselves out there and andput themselves like in the face
of adversity and pain.
(42:31):
Um just pretty interesting.
Like, I that it's why I lovethis thing.
It's why I love running.
It's because it is a challenge.
Andy Glaze said, Um, and I thinkI shared this with Allie
yesterday, but that there comesa point in every race that you
do, whether it's a marathon,whether it's a 5K or an ultra
marathon where you want to quit,where you want to throw in the
(42:53):
towel, but you get to decide ifyou listen to that voice or not.
And the reason I love doingthese things is because it
teaches me that there's otherthings that I can do in my life
that are difficult, that arechallenging, that are going to
put me through pain, that aregoing to take a long time and
require me to be patient, butthe result is worth it.
(43:16):
This race built confidence inmyself to know that I can push
myself and do difficult things.
The reason why Allie and Ialways talk about that phrase
that her dad says of you can dohard things, because I think a
lot of the times we forget that.
I think a lot of the times weforget that we are capable of
doing difficult things.
(43:36):
We're so used to comfort, we'reso used to everything being
pretty easy in our lives that weforget about the benefits
adversity brings.
We forget about the confidencethat it builds within you.
Confidence comes from doing hardthings.
(43:56):
You know that by now bylistening to this podcast.
It comes from many things, butconfidence comes from hard
things that has to be thebiggest one for me.
That's like, yes, you can haveconfidence in who you are as a
person, in your job, but ifyou're during if you're
suffering, if you're doingsomething difficult, that
teaches you, that really teachesyourself a lot about who you
(44:18):
are.
If you're able to keep going,despite being in s in pain and
your ankles are swelling andyour feet are starting to
blister, your legs are startingto stiffen up and not want to
move, your body's feeling low onenergy, you're tired.
But you decide to keep going andpush on.
(44:39):
And no matter how strong thosefeelings become, you persevere.
And you just take one step at atime, one step in front of the
other, and that's how you get tothe finish line.
So I'm very glad that I was ableto do this race.
It was probably my most favoriterace that I've done in terms of
(45:02):
the course, in terms of thechallenge, in terms of who I was
running with.
Um it was great.
And in Mad Moose events, I'vegot to give a shout out to them.
They're the guys that put thathosted this race.
They're great at hosting races,loved it.
So if you're thinking aboutwriting an ultra, I'd highly
recommend a Mad Moose event.
(45:23):
So, anyways, that's all whatgetting after it's about is
setting the bar high foryourself and then doing all you
can to reach that.
And then once you do, you keepthat standard, you hold it, and
you continue pushing yourself inways that you didn't think you
could.
So this I hope this episode waskind of fun.
Um, kind of a cool insight intopre-race nerves versus or like
(45:46):
pre-race nerves, worries aboutthe race, um, you know, a lot of
curiosity versus actuallycompleting it, talking about
some of the hardest things,talking about some things that
enjoyed, and then also thelessons that are learned in the
race itself.
And the biggest takeaway for metoday is you can do hard things.
(46:08):
Allie proved that, Drew provedthat, and I proved it.
And so did all the other 100racers that ran with us.
They all proved that you can dodifficult things.
So, um, if there's something inyour life that you know you want
to go and pursue, but you knowit's gonna be hard, take one
step.
Just take a small step today.
Because when I was running thatrace, I was taking a lot of
(46:30):
small steps.
But all those small steps got meto cross the finish line.
And it can do the same thing foryou.
So I appreciate you guys forlistening to this episode.
It means a lot.
Um, as always.
If you liked it, please uh leavea rating on Apple Podcasts or
Spotify, share it with a friend,and as always, keep getting
after it.
Thanks, guys.
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