November 3, 2025 • 46 mins
Starting to run can be tough—mentally, physically, and emotionally. In this episode, Ally and I talk about what it was like to start running together, the mistakes we made early on, and the simple routines that help us stay consistent.
We cover:
- What to eat before and after your runs
- The importance of stretching and recovery
- Mental hurdles and how to push through them
- What to do when you feel slow, stuck, or unmotivated
- Our best beginner tips to get started—and stay started
We’re not elite runners. We’re just two people who wanted to push ourselves and see what we’re capable of. If you’re thinking about running—or picking it back up—this episode’s for you.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
We're going here.
This is time.
SPEAKER_04 (00:05):
Tell me something good.
I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Alessandra, welcome back to the podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (00:13):
Thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
It's one of my favorite opportunities to sit
down and chat with you.
You're my favorite runner, myfavorite person because you're
my wife.
SPEAKER_03 (00:22):
And because you're your wife.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
You're one of the I mean, that's just a plus.
And you're sexy.
SPEAKER_04 (00:29):
Wow.
You always embarrass me when yousay stuff like that on your
podcast.
No one wants to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
You guys are sorry.
You're gonna have to hear that.
Oh my gosh.
Um, but I I wanted to have youhere today because you and I, we
talk about running quite a bit.
And uh we've actually had somequestions from listeners and
other people about how do youstart running?
Very, I mean, if you reallywanted to, it's just one foot in
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front of the other quickly.
And that's the end of theepisode, guys.
Thank you so much.
That's how you do it.
Um, no, but seriously, I mean itis like it's uh what's the word,
intimidating thing sometimes.
Like you see everyone on socialmedia posting like all these
different runs that they'redoing, um, their tempos, their
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paces, their races, like themarathons, whatever.
And it can feel like, oh man,like there's no way I can start.
It can feel like it's a lot.
Um, I definitely felt that way.
I don't know if you did when youfirst started your journey, but
um, it's hard in the beginningto be able to there we go.
It's hard in the beginning to beable to like find that rhythm
that works for you and allow youto stay consistent.
(01:43):
So hopefully with what we talkabout today, it's gonna at least
enlighten you a little bit ifyou want to start running.
If you're currently in thebeginning phases, maybe this
will help a little bit.
And if you're uh veteran and youknow, top of the line runner,
who knows?
Maybe a couple things that wesay will help today.
So sweet.
I want to ask you a question.
(02:03):
I'd like you to kick this off,and I didn't have you prepare
anything, so I really apologize.
But um let me kick it off byasking.
SPEAKER_03 (02:12):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
When did we actually start running together?
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
Is this a trick question?
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
No, when did we start running together?
SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
We ran together one time.
You mean like both of us berunning?
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:26):
I was like, we never go on runs together.
Uh I guess technically Januaryof 2023.
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Yes, that's what I had too.
SPEAKER_04 (02:36):
Okay, so I was testing me.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
I wasn't testing, but I had an answer for myself.
I wanted to see what you wouldsay.
Because like, you know, we had arun together like four weeks
ago, you and I.
SPEAKER_04 (02:45):
Yeah, and that's rare.
Like, well, I guess that one'san actual race, but we never go
on like runs together.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
No, four weeks ago.
Remember we were in Draper?
SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
Yeah, that's rare.
SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
That is kind of rare.
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
Oh, oh yeah.
That's the only time we've everdone that, actually.
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
Yeah, well, either way, um it's kind of interesting
that story.
Because when I ran that 2023Team Tim, I was like, oh, you
know, I'm just gonna I I reallywanted to impress you.
It was like, you know, I I'mstarting to date this girl.
I really want her to see thatI'm just a champion.
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
So I just so ridiculous.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
I pushed myself really hard.
Um and after that I was I kindof got the bug.
I don't know what it was, but itwas like I didn't.
SPEAKER_04 (03:26):
And you probably realized that you were good.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Well, I think not that I was good, but I realized
that I had potential, and Irealized that there was still a
lot more to give.
And um that was at a time when Iwas listening to Jocko, Cam
Haynes, and Nick Bear, all thoseguys, like very religiously.
And I wanted to try out whatthey were saying, really.
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And you know, I I tried out whatJocko talked about with
discipline early on in my life,and saw the benefits from that,
and I was like, okay, well, if Istart running, maybe I'll see
some of these benefits that youknow, Nick Bear and Cameron
Haynes and Sally McRae, allthese people who I look up to
now, um, that they talk about.
That's kind of what started it.
But you've kept going too.
(04:10):
You haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_04 (04:11):
Well, technically I've been trying to run since
2019, just because that's whenwe started doing our half
marathons, but never was Irunning consistently.
Up un 2023 was what the firsttime, like that whole year I ran
consistently for the first timeever.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:26):
And I imagine the whole the huge motivation is
like you were starting to run.
So I guess we both motivatedeach other to be running.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:35):
And that was huge, yeah, that was very helpful.
Of course, we do a half marathonevery year for my dad, but I
would just show up and run it,and it was horrible.
So I think I realized thatbecause I was training, the half
marathon was so much morebearable.
Yeah.
And I was doing so much betterthat I was like, oh, okay, maybe
if I don't stop, life's better.
And it that's ended up beingtrue.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Always does, right?
It's crazy.
Um, but at the beginning, likeone thing, especially when I
think about people who want tostart running or people in the
early phases, even myself at thebeginning, I hear this all the
time.
Like, I hate running.
I'm not a runner.
Did you ever go through that?
SPEAKER_04 (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
How'd you get over it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:16):
I still have a hard time saying I don't I still
won't even say I'm a runner.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
I like That's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04 (05:22):
It's hard for me to accept that because I feel like
I have an image in my mind ofwhat a runner is, and they're
like loving it, and they likeare flawlessly doing it and have
great form and sponsored or anyall these crazy things.
And I'm just out there likedoing the action now.
Obviously, I know that doing theaction equals you are that
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person.
SPEAKER_02 (05:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (05:43):
Um, but it's still hard for me to say just because
it just I've never identified asit.
However, um, for people who aretelling themselves they're not a
runner, I feel like so manythings are just your mindset.
I'm like, okay, if you'retelling yourself, that means
you're not gonna do it, thatmeans you're not a runner,
you're right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:01):
But the action leads to you becoming that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:03):
It goes back to that thing James Clear talks about a
lot is identity, likeidentifying with a habit.
And my one of my favoritestories comes from his book
where he talks about theoverweight guy who goes to the
gym.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
He just goes in the parking lot, but he went to the
gym.
He's like, I went to the gymtoday.
And it just continues to uh, youknow, to the point to where he's
staying there for a couple hoursand he lost all this weight.
But it started from a very smallaction where he's like, Hey, I
went to the gym.
And shout out to Dina and Carmentoo, because they've both said
this, like, oh, I'm just doingthe 10k for Team Tim or
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whatever.
Um, and they've both said thisto me, like, I'm not a runner.
And it's like, you're literallydoing the thing.
You're a runner.
It doesn't matter.
If it was like what you weresaying, like you're only a
runner if you're sponsored, ifyou're doing these big races, if
your form's perfect, then Ithink that number would be in
the hundreds of thousands.
Like, there wouldn't be a lot ofrunners in the world.
I wouldn't be a runner.
I'm not sponsored.
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I don't have perfect form.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
One thing, as you're talking about that, it reminds
me of I think so.
Say I'm not a runner.
I think a lot of people don'twant to be runners.
Everyone knows running sucks.
It's not fun.
Like the reason we run isbecause it teaches you how to
overcome hard things.
Yes, you feel great after and itis worth it.
Same with lifting, same with alot of other stuff.
But I think a lot of peopledon't want to be like, I'm a
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runner.
Like, no one wants to do thehard thing.
Okay.
That's like, I feel like that'ssuch a common thing.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
No one wants to be identified as a as a runner
because of like Because theydon't want to go run.
Because they don't want to run.
SPEAKER_04 (07:29):
I think a lot of people just don't want to run
because it's hard and it's not,it's like in long it takes so
much time.
Yeah.
Right.
And I was thinking about um likejust now as you're talking, I
saw a TikTok today, and itthey're like interviewing people
that are running the New YorkMarathon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
Yes, I like this.
SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
Yeah, so cool.
And everyone's like theinterviewer was asking
everybody's why.
Like, what are you doing outhere?
Like, why are you running theNew York Marathon?
And everyone had a reason.
Like, oh, my dad had cancer, oh,I'm running to show be a good
example to my kid, oh, I'mrunning because I want to show
myself that I can do hard thingsand overcome difficulties.
And I think when people arelike, oh no, I don't run, I
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don't I don't want to be arunner, like one, they say that
because it's hard, but two,though I think the way to get
over it is to be like, find yourwhy.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (08:19):
If you're not that person that like is so excited
to put on your tennis shoes,like I am not that person, like,
unless the weather isunbelievable, like it has to
make a 12 out of 10 stunningday.
I'm not that person, and then Iknow, but I feel like you
overall can say you likerunning.
Yeah, like you I can't say thatvery well.
I have a hard time.
I I I hesitate to say that.
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But but like if you're not thatperson, it's like I have to run
every day, or it's I just feelgross.
And like I was talking to hersister-in-law and she was saying
how or she sent me a meme andwas saying how if she doesn't go
to the gym, she's like crazy andgrumpy and all this stuff.
I'm like, I don't know, it's adifference.
I wish I saw that big of adifference when I went to the
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gym versus when I didn't.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (09:02):
And I feel like the same thing with running.
It's like, yes, I feel better,and overall I can see that over
a long period of time that I'vebeen running.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (09:10):
But I think I have to have a why because I'm not
the one that's like waking uplike super early because I can't
wait to get outside and go run,you know.
So for me, I think havinggreater purpose is really what
helps me overcome the idea ofthe whole identity thing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot that you saidabout it.
No, I I really like it, but Iwant to focus on that why piece
because when you start running,the excuses are going to outray
the outweigh the reasons.
SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
And like you'll find every excuse in the book.
Like, oh, you know, I had a runyesterday, my legs are still
tired, like maybe I need torecover.
I'm gonna recover, or didn't geta good night's sleep last night,
like uh, whatever.
The excuses are endless, but Iargue also, and I was thinking
about this today because I havea story to tell, the reasons are
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also endless to run.
And when I was at the gym today,I've just been tired the past
few days.
Like went up to Utah, packed,traveled down yesterday, drove
the car down all day, beenworking all day, and then when I
was at the gym, I lifted andfelt pretty good, and then I I
ran, and it's just it was one ofthose runs that like I was
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running and I was like, it'sonly been four minutes.
Like, and then I like keptgoing.
Did you get him?
SPEAKER_04 (10:27):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
I was getting a bug.
SPEAKER_04 (10:28):
It's a mosquito, and I had to kill it.
Carry on.
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Yeah, you do your thing.
And um, anyway, so like it wasone of those runs that just like
time was ticking by very slowly.
SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
Feels like you're going through mud.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
Yeah, exactly.
And it's like in that moment, Ithought of those excuses.
I was like, you know, maybe Ijust need to rest.
I'm pretty tired, like, Ihaven't had a lot of sleep this
weekend.
Um, I've been sleeping reallybad.
Like, uh maybe still I'm I'mrecovering from the 50k.
Like, I was coming up with theseideas, but then like very
quickly, I was reminded, like,hey, you have a body that's
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strong enough.
And it goes back to my why,which is like, I know what it's
like to not do that when I wassick.
And I was like, I am fortunateenough to be able to be in this
position where I can work mybody the way that I am.
And I'm not injured, I'm nothurt, I'm not passing out, and
so if I can handle thediscomfort, I'm gonna keep
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going.
And that's what I just kepttelling myself is like, hey,
remember where you were,remember that there's people who
can't, and shut up and get therun done.
Like, stick to the plan.
Then that's what got me throughtoday.
But it's like, like you what yousaid, it's going back to that
why.
Because when I remember the why,the excuses dissipate.
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Like it's like, yeah, they'restill there, it still beckons to
me, the comfort beckons to me,but I just don't give it the
time of day, I don't listen toit, and I don't let it be an
option to quit.
SPEAKER_04 (11:53):
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (11:54):
Now I just went on a tangent.
SPEAKER_04 (11:56):
You're better than me.
I'm like, oh, I'm right aboutthat.
Okay, I'll walk.
SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
I mean, everyone deals with it, and everyone has
a different talk track, andthat's fine.
But and I'm not saying you haveto like endure the things that I
do.
I'm also training for a 50-milerace.
SPEAKER_02 (12:09):
Right, different.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
So it's it's like a different thing that I'm trying
to do.
Um, but just something to thinkabout.
And in the beginning, you make alot of mistakes when you're
running.
Do you remember any mistakesthat you made?
Any beginning running mistakes?
SPEAKER_04 (12:24):
Probably all all the mistakes I could have made.
I'm trying to think of like Ithink a high hydration is a big
one for me that I miss.
Because if I don't feel thirsty,I feel like I don't need water.
SPEAKER_01 (12:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (12:37):
And turns out that's not the case, and how your body
functions so highly of everyevery liquid you put in you.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04 (12:45):
So that's actually a lesson I think I've learned
mainly like recently for the 50kspecifically, too, of how much
hydration I actually neededbecause I've been cramping it up
really bad.
SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
Yeah.
Also shoes.
SPEAKER_04 (12:59):
Sorry, I didn't mean to.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (13:01):
Also shoes.
I had the same running shoes forlike five years.
And then I was and it wasn'tuntil you and you're buying new
shoes, I'm like, oh, I kind ofwant new shoes, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:11):
So like trying to pick correct shoes for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
Shoes will make or break you.
SPEAKER_04 (13:16):
How do you pick your shoes?
SPEAKER_00 (13:17):
I mean, I I just uh this is actually a great topic
for beginners too.
Um I chose shoes that lookedreally cool when I was first
started.
And like during the Team Timrace, I had no idea what the
shoe was.
I thought it looked cool, it wascheap, and I ran in it.
I think it was like a sockanysomething.
And then for my marathon thatyear, I found these other
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sockanies, and I wore soconiesbecause Nick Bear wore
sockanies.
And so like I found these onesthat were called like endorphin
max.
And I was like, oh, that'ssweet, that's gotta be good for
speed.
They ruined my feet.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
My feet have never hurt more than after that first
marathon, and it was because thetoes were so narrow.
I was I wore like a size 12because people are like, yeah,
you gotta go lower in in size.
SPEAKER_04 (14:05):
I've never heard that before.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
I well, I know, and I was listening to the wrong
people.
Um, and anyways, it destroyed myfeet.
So now what I do is there's thisrunning store in Orim, Utah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
There's also one over in Arizona as well.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yeah, there's there's a couple places like
this, but basically what it is,it's a running store that you go
to and you can try on the shoes.
They would have you test them,like you'd probably run around a
little track or something likethat, or on a treadmill, um,
just to get an idea of how yourfeet feel in them, because that
truly is like such a big deal.
Understanding like what yourfoot shape is, like, don't go on
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Amazon and buy the shoes thathave highest reviews.
Like, I they might look cool,they might do fine for you.
But if you want the bestresults, go and get your feet
put in a couple different pairsand try them out at the stores.
SPEAKER_04 (14:54):
Also, with the um running on the trim at the
running store, a lot of timesthey'll have a camera on your
feet, so they're watching to seeif your ankles are rolling one
way or the other and how you'restepping.
I think that's what reallyhelped me is uh how I came to
know that I need a morestructured shoe.
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
Because my ankles roll fast.
SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
All that just to help prevent injury.
SPEAKER_04 (15:12):
Exactly.
So and I've noticed that a bigdifference.
And I had hokas for a minute andthey were just too soft.
I can imagine them beingcomfortable if you're a nurse on
your feet all day long andthings like that.
For me, it was like toocushion-y, yeah, didn't do it
for me.
And I still like doing thattrial and error in the beginning
for me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
And like Andy Glaze wears Hokas.
So yeah, you know, it's justdifferent feet.
SPEAKER_03 (15:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Um, my biggest mistake was fuel.
So kind of like yours withhydration, but it's confession
time with Brett here.
Um, when I first startedtraining on my long runs, and if
Jackie's listening to this, I'mreally sorry, but I did not want
to eat around my long runs.
Like I've had an eatingdisorder, and I was like, uh no,
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like I don't want to eat thosecarbs because I I've heard so
many times, like, oh, carbs makeyou fat.
I'm like, I'm not gonna eatthose carbs.
Little did I know that carbs arethe preferred fuel source that
your body uses uh during runs.
So I remember just feeling tiredand weak during my long runs.
I would get to mile 10 andalways find an excuse to quit.
And um really it wasn't untilthis training block because when
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during my first ultra, I didn'teat anything during that race,
but I was also throwing up.
But like even during the longruns, I would have like one goo.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
Yeah, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
And so um I just had this weird thing about eating um
eating food.
That's really it.
Like I was worried aboutcalories, I didn't want to get
fat.
And um come to find out, aftertrial and error, carbs are your
best friend if you're a runner,and um it doesn't have anything
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be anything crazy.
Like the only time I go crazy oncarbs really is when I'm carb
loading.
Um, but now like I eat candyduring my long runs, I will eat
a big meal the night before.
Um, I'll wake up and have somesort of breakfast or some kind
of snack, and it keeps me going.
And it's like I feel a lotstronger on the runs, I feel
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like I can keep going, I feellike my body's able to handle a
lot more.
And it's just because of thisstupid little thing that I I
thought I was better than.
Like the fact that, hey, youknow, I don't have to eat, I'm
Brett.
It's pretty stupid, but it'slike, you know, I have to be
humble, I have to realize thatlike I'm not some kind of
superhuman, and if David Gogginshas to eat during races and so
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to do Annie Glaze, then Iprobably do too.
SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
Let me ask you this because like how much carbs
should you be eating for howlong you're going?
Because a lot of new runners,they're probably hitting like
three miles on their long runs,five miles on their long runs.
And so it's like I don't imaginethat they need to have a
buttload of candy and a loaf ofbread before a five-mile or so,
like, how do you determine howmuch carbs you need depending on
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how far you're going?
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
It's a great question.
So the the rule of thumb forlike ultramarathon runnings and
endurance athletes is 60 to 90grams of carbs per hour.
Along that, it's like 250milliliters of water and 250
gram milligrams of sodium perhour.
SPEAKER_04 (18:10):
So it's not how far you're going, it's how long
you're out there.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Usually it's how long.
Um, and so like, but if someonewanted to, you know, feel good
on a 5k, like one of my favoritethings to do is before I go to
the gym or um anything likethat, if I'm going on a long
run, my favorite two things I goto are sourdough bread, cooked
by baked by Alessandra, andbananas.
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Those two things.
Like, I'll have one or theother.
Um, if it's a very long run,I'll combine them.
But like if you're going on athree to five mile run, you
probably don't need a lot ofcarbs before.
Um, my only advice to that wouldbe eat some protein afterwards,
like have a protein shake, eat agood meal, because protein after
a run will help with recovery.
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And um go listen to my podcastwith Spencer Walker because he's
a um he's a medical doctor whostudies this stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (19:04):
Med student.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
He's a med student.
Uh thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (19:07):
Don't don't yeah, don't get clocked on that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
And he, but anyways, he talked about like the protein
synthesis that happenspost-recovery with um with
adding protein to your diet.
So it's an interesting thing,but like nutrition-wise, if
you're going for anything longerthan an hour and you feel like
you need something, by all meansdo it.
But 60 to 90 grams an hour isprobably where you want to stay.
And I know it sounds like a lot,like that's 60 grams is is
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probably like three bananas.
I think a banana is like 27grams of carbs, so maybe a
little less.
But anyways, like have a littlesnack before you go.
Um, you want fast digestingcarbs, so you don't you want to
avoid things like um oatmeal.
Like you what you really want isthings that are gonna get into
your bloodstream pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
So if you just chat GBT like fast carbs, that's what
you want before.
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
I think I I might have pulled some examples if I
was smart enough.
Let me see.
SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
Sounds like a banana before.
Depends on how long you'rerunning, then you can consider
60 grams of it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Um I didn't, but apparently I wrote my
supplements down.
Oh hilarious.
For my supplements, I take Itake creatine.
I highly recommend creatine toanybody.
It helps with your energy and italso helps with brain function.
Um there's actually some reallycool studies that are coming out
about creatine's effect oncognition.
So pretty interesting.
Um I take Trace Minerals ZeroLight Electrolytes, those are
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filled with a thousandmilligrams of sodium, uh 400
milligrams of potassium, and 80milligrams of magnesium.
And they are my favorite so far.
Like I I've been a big elementguy my entire life until about a
year ago.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
I remember that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And then trace minerals came in and took it.
So I also take glucosamine formy joints, super helpful, and
then a mushroom complex, a uh D3pill, and um a couple other
things I gotta take.
But it's not magic, but I feellike it really does help my body
recover just a little bit more.
Um anything to add to that?
SPEAKER_04 (21:06):
I don't know.
I just like the idea of knowinglike what kind of simple things
to eat before a run.
That's one thing I never thoughtof until I started like a
marathon training.
Yeah, I had never brought foodor anything on any type of run.
And not that I think you need aton for like a half marathon,
but obviously you're gonna begoing longer than an hour.
And so being able to like notbonk is like huge.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
It's huge, massive.
SPEAKER_04 (21:30):
And that's another thing I liked is when I found
out you don't have to have afreaking goo, you can get your
carp in any way you want.
Yeah, it's that was game changerfor me.
SPEAKER_00 (21:37):
Absolutely, and I felt the same way.
Like, one goose are hellaexpensive, sure.
They add up very fast.
Like if you're gonna pack fivegoose, you're gonna probably be
paying like 12 bucks.
Yeah, it's gross.
Um, but if you look at theingredients of goo's, which is
basically just sugar, and if youlook at the ingredients of nerds
clusters, basically sugar,right?
Eat some of those instead.
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Save some money.
Yeah, hundred um calories per 16nerd clusters, and I think
around 27 grams of carbs.
SPEAKER_04 (22:06):
So that's like prime.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
It's perfect.
That's like exactly the themacros of a goo.
SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
So all right, go get your nerd clusters.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Nerd clusters are great, peach rings are great.
I really enjoyed gummy worms onthis last one.
SPEAKER_04 (22:17):
Um I like applesauce, but that doesn't
have as much of what you need.
Applesauce is nice when you'reon a treadmill because you can
just lay it in front of you andit's delicious.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Rice crispy treats.
I had those on my ultra.
Those are good.
Those are like 90 calories anduh I think around 20 grams of
carbs, so not bad.
SPEAKER_04 (22:34):
So you're looking for macros, not the expensive
type running stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (22:38):
I mean, you don't if you want that stuff, you can
have it.
Like some people really likegoose, some people like gels.
I really love the BPN Go gels,they're just expensive.
And it's like I don't want to bespending that much because I run
so much.
SPEAKER_04 (22:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:49):
And I'm not sponsored by anyone, so nerd's
clusters it is for a while.
SPEAKER_04 (22:53):
And it's probably smart too, because it's
something that people enjoy moretypically.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
And I literally look forward to eating my candy on my
runs.
SPEAKER_04 (23:00):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
I'm a little kid.
Yeah, I don't eat candy much.
SPEAKER_04 (23:03):
I'm like, yeah.
You are a little kid.
Um nerd clusters were hard forme to get down on this last
race.
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
Yeah, so that's the other thing, too, is you gotta
experiment with them.
SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Yeah, I was just it was too chewy.
I was like, I'm like exhausted.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
But I loved it.
It's all good.
SPEAKER_04 (23:14):
I'm happy for you.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Thank you.
Yogam.
Um, do you have a pre-run,post-run ritual?
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
No, I should.
I need to do better at doing mylittle leg swings and such
before runs.
I have a tendency to start cold,and I know I I can feel a
difference when I'm lazy andstart running cold than when I
do like get some my legs move inin advance.
Like, even if I'm doing likesome lunges or something like
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that, just to get my wigs awake,I notice a nine-day difference,
and I'm still lazy about it,unfortunately.
And as you noticed today, you'remad at me because my hips are
tight, and you said every nightwe're stretching from here on
out.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
I did.
I said it's a requirementbecause like it really is super
important to stretch, especiallyif you're doing repetitive
running like a lot.
Umxors.
Yeah, your body is gonna startto get very tight.
And if you don't stretch that,you're gonna risk injury and
you're also going to be moreuncomfortable.
SPEAKER_04 (24:11):
And the more you do that, the less you want to run,
and then you go back to squareone.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Yeah, you also just perform and feel better when you
run when you run afterstretching.
Like I do before and after.
Before is a little lazy, butlike I just want to get the
blood flowing in there.
So I do hamstrings, quads, um,my hips, swing them around,
swing them around, do calfstretches, and then usually I'm
pretty good.
And then afterwards, I have awhole routine I go through that
maybe I should post, but that'sa good idea.
SPEAKER_04 (24:37):
It's kind of embarrassing because I am so bad
at post.
I will stop and like, okay, goshower.
Yeah, done for the day, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
All right, maybe I'll post it.
SPEAKER_04 (24:45):
All right, send it to me.
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
It's just kind of cheesy.
I feel embarrassed.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
I don't want to be known as a yoga man.
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
There's nothing wrong with that.
We're very proud of you.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
I know, yeah, that's the thing, is it's very
important, and so I I understandit's necessary, but um, either
way, stretching is veryimportant.
SPEAKER_04 (25:00):
So we're gonna post about this podcast tomorrow, and
then we will post yourstretching alongside of it.
So keep that in mind.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (25:09):
So look out for that post on getting after it.co.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
There we go.
unknown (25:14):
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
What do you tell yourself when you don't want to
run?
SPEAKER_04 (25:18):
I think I always have to have a race coming up.
I don't think I'm very good atjust telling myself something.
I think if I don't have a goalI'm working towards, I am not
very disciplined with myday-to-day running.
I feel like there probably arethings better I could tell
myself that would motivate me toget out the door and and run.
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A lot of times I try and tellmyself like I'm just gonna start
with three miles or whatever.
I like I try to start slower,and usually by then I'm feeling
okay where I can like actuallyhit whatever miles I was
supposed to hit that day.
But if I quit, then I'm like atleast I got three.
So I always try to get myself toat least start.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
10 minute rule, excuse me.
SPEAKER_04 (26:00):
10 minute roll, yeah.
Get started for 10 minutes.
I feel like I need even longerthan that because I'll big sweet
10 done.
Like I I think I stop too oftenafter the 10.
I think I need like at least 20because around mile four is when
I start feeling good.
So if I don't make it to milefour, I'm probably gonna stop
before then.
I know that's like a weird ruleof mine, but if I can do four, I
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can do any distance.
If I can't do four, then thatday's only getting two.
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
Hey, I like that.
SPEAKER_04 (26:26):
And that's just I don't know why I've noticed
that's how I work, but I thinkfor me, I just always have to
have something I'm workingtowards.
Even if it's like a mileage forthe month or if it's a mileage
for the week, or things likethat, not necessarily like a
race, but if I don't have goalsthat I'm like actively working
towards, then there's a lowchance I'm gonna be able to get
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myself going.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
I like that.
Set goals for yourself, yeah.
And then hold yourselfaccountable to them.
That's a that's a great way tostay on track and to kind of
bypass some of those excusesthat come up.
Um, because they do, and it'sit's a normal thing.
Like if you want to startrunning and you actually start
and then you start feeling someof that resistance, just know
it's part of the process and youjust have to push past it.
(27:08):
Um, it's hard.
Like I I still to this day havethose days where I'm like like I
was just telling you, like Iwanted to quit today.
But um I always ask myself if Ican handle it, and I always ask
myself if I can take one morestep, and if the answer is yes,
then I just shut up and I keepgoing.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
And that's taken me a while to learn that.
Like I I wasn't that way in thebeginning, but um, it's just
through experience and uhunderstanding your body, knowing
your abilities, being able topersist when things become
difficult.
SPEAKER_04 (27:42):
When people show like slight interest in Team Tim
or like running any race, I'malways like, sign up right now.
Like you have to sign up, likebefore you can talk yourself out
of it.
I just want to like shake peopleand be like, Do it, do it right
now, or it's you're not gonna doit.
Because then fear, you getcloser, you think you have less
time, and then you're not gonnado it.
And how much better if you justsign up right then, you know
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you're working towards it, andthen it's like a little reminder
in the back of your mind to getmoving and to get going, and
you're gonna feel so much betterknowing that you were able to go
and accomplish that becauseanyone can do a half marathon or
a marathon or whatever you'retraining for with the proper
time and training and stuff likethat.
And so anytime people showinterest, I'm like, and do it
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right now.
Like my friend Bria, she's doingthe marathon in December.
She was like talking about howshe was really scared.
I'm like, you have to sign upright the second you think it
because then it's gonna get moreexpensive.
And you're like, oh no, it's tooexpensive.
Then it's gonna get, yeah, likeI said, like coming up too
close, like not enough time totrain.
And so if you get that bug, doit fast and let that be your
motivator and just get it done.
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Because how much better are yougonna feel about yourself
knowing that you can accomplishthe hard thing rather than
chickened out and just trying tocatch it next year or whatever?
SPEAKER_00 (28:50):
Yeah, no, that's a good that's good advice.
It really is.
SPEAKER_04 (28:52):
That's how I got freaking signed up for the 50k.
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
If you get the itch, scratch it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
You guys were signing up and I got FOMO, and
that's literally why I freakingran the 50k.
I'm like, okay, shoot, you'resigning up, add me on that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
You don't have FOMO for the 50 miler?
SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
I kind of do.
That's why I asked you if youwanted me to pace you or run
with or run out.
unknown (29:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (29:11):
Well, I was thinking about running it.
Oh.
That was the FOMO.
But then you're like, pace me.
I'm like, okay, fine, I'll pace.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
You can run it.
But I do have FOMO, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (29:21):
I think I'll probably get to a 50 miler,
unfortunately.
I haven't told you that yet, butsurprise.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
That is a surprise.
SPEAKER_04 (29:29):
That's the itch, I guess I gotta scratch now, huh?
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Do it with me in April.
SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
But I don't know about that one.
That one has so much elevation.
I almost died on this last one.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
It's low compared to the ones out there.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
But there's also ones that are flat.
SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
We're gonna talk about this later.
SPEAKER_04 (29:42):
We're fighting.
We're fighting.
Just kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
Um, no, I love that advice.
It's great.
And something else that'sinteresting too that I I hear a
lot is like some people don'twant to run because they think
that they'll look stupid or theythink that they're not a good
runner.
Or it's embarrassing.
SPEAKER_04 (29:57):
Yeah, like I was an embarrassing girl.
I was embarrassed.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
What did you do to overcome that?
SPEAKER_04 (30:01):
That's why I didn't run with you until literally
like four m or literally lastmonth, and we've been running
for three years.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Um Well, how'd you overcome it?
SPEAKER_04 (30:09):
I think just by doing it more often.
I don't even know if I'mnecessarily overc I have
completely overcame it.
Cause I mean, you see a videothat you run finishing across
the finish line, I'm like,that's so embarrassing, but I
also know I just ran a wholerace, so of course my form's
gonna be a little suckier andI'm gonna look bad.
And that's kind of embarrassingto me as is.
SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
I just want to pause you really quickly because you
said the video of me crossingthe finish line was embarrassing
because of my form.
You crossed the finish line of a30-mile race in the desert.
SPEAKER_04 (30:37):
Okay, and I understand that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
I'm just saying that's not a that's a pretty
badass.
SPEAKER_04 (30:41):
That's just my mind being mean to me.
I'm like, oh, it look horrid andmy boobs and it's just bad.
SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
But Cha-ching.
unknown (30:48):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
You brought it up, not me.
SPEAKER_04 (30:51):
And it just like looks bad.
But but then I was proud ofmyself, so I got over it.
But I think that just the more Iran, and I actually kind of like
watch videos of form.
There's lots of YouTube of likehow your cadence should be and
how you're like using um likethe posterior view and stuff
like that.
So I think I try to watch a lotof videos, and then at one point
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I was just like, you know what,this is what feels best, and so
who really cares?
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:18):
So I still have a hard time with that, and I still
think about it a lot, especiallyif I accidentally see a video.
But then I also see people whoare great runners who also look
sucky.
I'm like, oh, they're anincredible runner.
I'm like, that form looks weird,but it works for them, so who
really cares what I'm lookinglike?
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Who cares?
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
So, like I said, I have a hard time with that.
It is kind of embracing thing,like, oh dang, like my pace is
15 minutes, and people arewalking faster than I'm running,
especially when I first startedrunning and I was like 15 pounds
heavier, and I just felt 15pounds heavier, and it just felt
gross, and I think just the moreI did it, the better I felt.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Yeah.
What I would tell people whothink that is this is your
journey and your journey only.
Yeah.
You shouldn't really care whatother people think.
I know that feeling is going tobe there, you're going to feel
that from other people, but thebest thing that you can do is
ignore those feelings and juststay committed to the goal, be
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consistent.
Because at the end of the day,if you're able to stick to the
promises that you've made foryourself, with hey, I'm gonna
get run X amount of times thisweek, or I'm gonna train for
this race and I'm gonna do it.
And if you keep those promises,your confidence is gonna go up a
ton, and you're gonna realizethat hey, that wasn't my end,
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that was just the beginning, andI feel like I can do more.
Um, so take that and at leasthave some confidence in the fact
that you're on your own journey,and who cares what other people
think?
Like when I started running, Iwas 140 pounds, I looked like a
stick, I'm sure I lookedridiculous.
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But if I stopped because of whatI thought other people thought
of me, I wouldn't be where I amtoday.
I wouldn't be training for a50-mile race, I wouldn't be um
being able to talk about thiswith you and and hopefully
inspiring other people to do thesame.
But those are feelings arehuman, but they're just
thoughts, and you don't have tolisten to them.
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You can ignore them, you canfind something that you're proud
about, the fact that you'restill running.
Like, optics is the leastimportant thing with running.
SPEAKER_04 (33:33):
I like to add as well, like the post you just
posted with the quotes from BabeRuth, like the loudest boobs
come from like the cheapestseats.
Yeah, and I think about the alltime.
I've never heard a runnerbelittle a new runner.
Yeah, like never ever.
The only people who hate onrunners is those who know that
they are not doing it and arethe ones who are like, you just
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know are secretly en being.
Yeah, and they're the they'relike the ones that don't run,
and they're always mad atrunners who run because they're
out there pushing themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
Yeah, there's this quote from Cam Haynes.
Um apologies, but this is whathe says.
He says, uh, no one doing betterthan you is ever gonna talk
shit.
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
So true.
SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
It's it's really like I've never ran into that.
I was running with some dude uhduring that race who was doing a
50 mile race, and I told him Iwas doing a 50k, and he was
looking good, and he's like,he's like, Yeah, man, you got
this, like keep going.
SPEAKER_04 (34:28):
That was one thing I didn't notice is like the 50k
people and the 50 milers crosseach other.
Yeah, every 50 miler person waslike, Good job, good job.
Like, I have never seen thatmuch support from other runners
ever.
Yeah, no, like on a marathon,everyone's kind of locked into
their own thing.
Usually you're going for speed,everyone's hollow on distance,
like it's a much slower racebecause it's farther.
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Yeah, I'm walking, and a 50miler is like running by me.
Great job, keep going.
I'm like, dang, you know I'mdoing the 50k and I look like an
idiot, and I'm walking andyou're blasting by me.
But they're all so supportivebecause they know what it took
to even get to that point.
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
They know how hard it is.
Yeah, yeah, it sucks sometimes.
SPEAKER_04 (35:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
But really, think about that.
Like, the loudest boos do comefrom the cheapest seats.
There's also this quote fromit's a quote from Rick and
Worty, kind of along the samelines.
Do you not know what that is?
SPEAKER_04 (35:20):
I think I know what the little character looks like.
SPEAKER_00 (35:22):
It's a really nerdy show.
SPEAKER_04 (35:23):
Cartoon.
SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
And it's you hate you would hate it.
SPEAKER_04 (35:26):
Sounds right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
Um, but he says, Um, your boos mean nothing to me.
I see what makes you cheer.
SPEAKER_04 (35:33):
Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
So um last thing I'll ask you ishave you ever heard something
from a coach, a runner, um, orjust anyone that has kind of
stayed with you?
Or just a concept.
It doesn't have to be a quote,but like anything from one of
those people that has likestayed with you to this day.
SPEAKER_04 (36:01):
Hmm.
That's a tough one.
Because I feel like there'sthings that I try to embody, but
a quote that has uh stuck withme.
I feel like there's one at thetip of my head, and I is that
the phrase tip of my head?
Um tip of my tongue.
Tongue.
I think.
Do you have one to share beforeI share?
SPEAKER_00 (36:20):
I do have one.
SPEAKER_04 (36:21):
Okay, you go first.
SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
Okay, so this is from Haruki Murakami.
SPEAKER_04 (36:26):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
Yep.
Uh his Instagram page is calledWhat I Talk About When I Talk
About Running.
SPEAKER_04 (36:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (36:33):
Here's what he says, and I love this.
Again, you've heard me talkabout something similar to this.
Pain is inevitable, suffering isoptional.
Say you're running and youthink, man, this hurts.
I can't take it anymore.
The hurt part is an unavoidablereality.
But whether or not you can standanymore is up to the runner
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himself.
So it's like that same thingthat I love.
Um, that conversation withdiscomfort that you have.
You know, discomfort asks, canyou take another step?
And only you can answer it.
And during many of my runs, I'vehad pain, and I've had that
conversation with discomfort andrealized that it doesn't define
who I am, and I can keep going.
SPEAKER_04 (37:15):
I like that.
So I know it looks like I'mdistracted, but I'm pulling up a
quote as you're doing that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Um, I was going through just now some quotes I
have written down becauseoriginally I was gonna say this
is like I'm pretty sure this isan Ohio State motto.
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
Let's go.
SPEAKER_04 (37:33):
But it's you versus you every day.
And why do you like it?
I I think that I am one whoconstantly can compare my runs
to other people.
I feel like I do pretty goodwith not comparing like my life
to other people's like on socialmedia.
I don't feel like I'm I'm sadwhen I see other people's
success.
Like I'm very happy for otherpeople.
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Until it comes to running, I'mvery competitive with running.
I don't know what it is, and itaffects me very negatively.
Once I see a race is over, I'mlike quick on their website
looking at everybody's timebecause I gotta know like where
I would fall.
I'm like, would I would I be inthe top like 50%?
You know, like I don't know whatit is, but maybe because I'm a
little insecure about myrunning, do I feel like I
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compare more?
I'm not sure.
And so that I um that quote ofyou versus you like every day
has helped me to be able to takemy eyes off everybody else and
just focus on what I'm doing andput my head down and grind.
And I think I thought about thata lot during our 50k because I'd
be like running, walking,climbing, whatever.
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And I kept trying to tellmyself, like, this race is not
about the pace.
This is just me doing my best.
Yeah, this is like just givingit everything I have, whatever
that looks like.
And I know sometimes I'll havelike a speed race where I am
going for like competing, likewhere I want to like be
competitive in this race.
But a lot of the times it's likeme showing up every day for
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myself.
It's me against like mytiredness, it's me against my
laziness, it's me just beingable to prove to myself that I
can show up for me every day,and it takes away the
distractions, it takes away theembarrassment, it takes away all
those negative side effects thatcome with one trying a new
thing, and two always being astudent.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
I like that a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (39:21):
So it's helped me a lot.
That's a great quote, and that'sbut that's what I was trying to
check to see if it was OhioState.
I I think it is.
If it's not, sorry, sue me.
SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
Don't sue her.
Oh, okay.
She's my wife.
SPEAKER_04 (39:33):
We share monies.
SPEAKER_00 (39:34):
Yeah, that's a bad idea.
Um I love that though, becausethat's really what running is
for me.
Is like if I can do somethingdifficult, like running, if I
can prove that I can do that,what can I not do?
SPEAKER_03 (39:47):
It's the 1% better every day.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
Like it's why I feel confident about things like
getting after it.
It's like because I'm doing mybest, and I have faith that
something good will come fromthat through that consistency.
Yep.
And running is the same way.
It's like you should be battlingyourself every single day.
It's a great quote.
SPEAKER_04 (40:04):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
I oh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
And I wrote down five things that I've learned
that are helpful for anybeginner runner or anyone
starting their own journeytoday.
Okay.
If you have any that you'd liketo add, feel free.
First one is start small.
You need to run for time and notnecessarily distance.
So commit to running for 30minutes or an hour, whatever it
is.
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Don't focus on the distance.
That's not what's important inthe beginning.
The beginning is all aboutforming the habit.
SPEAKER_04 (40:33):
Can I add to that?
When I first started runningbefore I had more of like a
structured training, I would runTuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and
my Tuesday would be for an hour.
Whatever, however much I can getin an hour.
Sometimes I try to go reallyfast and see how many miles I
get in an hour.
Sometimes I'm like, I fell offand I'm just gonna run for an
hour, even if it's three miles.
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:52):
So Tuesday was always like an hour, or maybe it
was two hours, or whatever I hadset for that day.
And then Thursday would be mydistance.
So either it's like, or I guessthis was distance slash
intervals.
So that would be likespecifically like I'm either
trying to hit seven miles or Ihave four mile intervals or
whatever it is, and thenSaturday's long run.
But that always helped mebecause some days, and if I was
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really struggling on a Tuesdayor Thursday, I could swap them,
or I'm like, uh, I have nothingin me.
I want to do like my time sloton Thursday instead.
SPEAKER_00 (41:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:25):
Why are you laughing?
SPEAKER_00 (41:26):
Nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (41:27):
I don't know if that's good advice or not.
It is, but it's great advice.
Yeah.
One thing that we haven't talkedabout is how redundant running
is and how like it can beboring.
That has helped me.
So if you have a hard time beinglike, oh, I just hate going
doing the same thing every day.
For me, I was like, okay, thisone I'm going for speed because
I'm gonna see how many miles Ican get in 30 minutes, and then
this one I'm doing intervals.
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I get a run to one stoplight andthen walk to the next and run to
the one.
So then it's kind ofinteractive.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Yeah, more changes it up a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (41:57):
That was helpful for me.
SPEAKER_00 (41:57):
I like that.
SPEAKER_04 (41:58):
That's huge, actually.
I can't stamp that one.
That one's huge for me.
Yeah, you gotta change up yourwriting.
There's a lot of different waysyou can do running style or
different running trainingplans, and that's huge for me.
SPEAKER_00 (42:09):
You can add things like fartlicks, which are
basically just like speedworkouts, and there's a lot of
stuff that you can do.
But yeah, if it gets boring,don't feel don't feel like you
can't switch it up.
SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
That was my problem.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Yeah, it's tough.
SPEAKER_04 (42:20):
Sorry, onward.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
You're good.
Um, the second one is keep thepace easy.
Like make sure it'sconversational, especially in
the beginning.
You're not trying to sprint,you're trying to, like I said,
build the habit.
Yeah, invest in good shoes.
So I'm glad you said that.
SPEAKER_04 (42:33):
Nailed it.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
Um changes a lot, saves your knees.
Fuel and recover.
And like I learned, you're notweak for needing calories,
you're smart.
So keep that in mind.
And the most important one Ithink in the beginning is
tracking your progress.
You can use Strava, you can usea notebook, but make it visible,
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be able to look at the data andsee where you were two weeks ago
to where you're at today.
Look for any sign ofimprovements.
And if you see any, be proud ofit.
Like be excited, celebrate that.
Um that's all I got.
You got any more?
SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
I like that.
Um, no, I like the pace onebecause that's like a prime time
when you feel embarrassed, isbecause you're trying to go slow
enough where you can talk.
Yeah, you're gonna feelembarrassed, you're gonna feel
slow, you're gonna feel maybefat and ugly like I did.
And that's okay.
Normal feelings, we all gothere.
But keep that pace.
That's when running is moreenjoyable because you don't feel
like you're dying.
So I would add that.
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Um, and then you said what wasthe last one again?
SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
Track your progress.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Track your progress.
Yeah, that's huge.
I have a folder in my phone ofjust screenshots of my watch or
of my app, and it's calledRunning Progress.
It's an album only phone.
And I love it because I'll goback to 2019, and I was like, I
remember being so proud of thisone six-mile run that took me an
hour and a half, and now it'slike that I've obviously much
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faster than that now.
And so being able to see that isdefinitely very motivating, but
also keep in mind if you'rerunning a lot, you see progress
really fast right in thebeginning, you're gonna hit a
plateau and it's gonna suck.
And then you're not gonna runfor a week, or something
happens, you're on vacation, andyou can't run.
It's gonna feel like you go backto square one, but that's only a
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couple of your runs, and thenyou'll you'll come back faster
every time you get back into it.
That's what I was scared ofbecause I ran the 50K, and the
week before the 50K on Tuesday,the furthest I can go is two
miles, and I felt like crap.
SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:33):
And I was like, holy frick, I have 28 more in five
days, and I was so scared.
Um, but sometimes you just hitthose lows, sometimes you hit
those plateaus, super normal.
Just stay consistent with it,and it'll come back up really
fast.
SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
I would say my progress has been very close to
the SP 500.
My progress has been close tothe stock market.
SPEAKER_04 (44:57):
Okay, that's what I thought that was, but why'd you
say it's so weird?
SPEAKER_00 (45:00):
Uh it's just a I don't know, fund.
But basically, like, you know,it goes up sometimes, goes down,
it goes up, goes down, goes up,goes down, but overall it's
growing.
SPEAKER_01 (45:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
And that's kind of how I look at running
progression is yeah, there aretimes when you go into a pit.
There's other times when youfeel like you're on cloud nine.
True.
And they can be back to back.
Yeah, the important thing is youjust you just keep going.
You keep showing up foryourself, you keep showing up to
get better, and eventually ithappens.
SPEAKER_04 (45:28):
True.
I like that.
I'm sure we missed stuff.
So if there's questions youhave, ask Brett.
SPEAKER_00 (45:33):
If there's questions, please reach out.
But that's really it.
I mean, that would be my advicefor anyone starting to run.
Um enjoy the process because itreally is a process.
It takes time, it takes a lot ofeffort, it takes consistency.
But at the end of the day, likeI can confidently say it's made
me a better person.
I'm sure you can say the same.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
Um, and it can do the same for you.
It's not gonna change and fixall your problems, but it's
gonna make you better at leastenduring them.
SPEAKER_04 (45:59):
So I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Anything else you got?
SPEAKER_04 (46:03):
Um, getting after it, just drop their shirts,
merch.
SPEAKER_00 (46:06):
That's right.
If you go to keepgetting afterit.com, there's a shop section,
and we have all of our merchthere now.
So it's pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_04 (46:15):
And if you go to journal, you can see some
newsletters.
SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
My blog posts, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (46:19):
Which are really cool too.
I like that section.
SPEAKER_00 (46:21):
So, yeah, that's fun.
SPEAKER_04 (46:22):
But go check it out, play around.
SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
Yeah, keep getting after it too.
It's always a good message.
But I like it.
Yeah, thank you everyone forlistening.
Uh, really appreciate your time,and thank you for coming on.
Always appreciate you.
Um, if it meant anything to you,please send it to someone if it
helped you, and uh leave a likeon Spotify Netflix.
SPEAKER_04 (46:41):
Like, comment, subscribe, retweet, repost.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
All that good stuff.
Check me out, it all helps.
We appreciate it.
But um, as always, my friends,keep getting after you.
We're going here.
This is time.
SPEAKER_04 (00:05):
Tell me something good.
I'm not ready.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Alessandra, welcome back to the podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (00:13):
Thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
It's one of my favorite opportunities to sit
down and chat with you.
You're my favorite runner, myfavorite person because you're
my wife.
SPEAKER_03 (00:22):
And because you're your wife.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
You're one of the I mean, that's just a plus.
And you're sexy.
SPEAKER_04 (00:29):
Wow.
You always embarrass me when yousay stuff like that on your
podcast.
No one wants to hear that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
You guys are sorry.
You're gonna have to hear that.
Oh my gosh.
Um, but I I wanted to have youhere today because you and I, we
talk about running quite a bit.
And uh we've actually had somequestions from listeners and
other people about how do youstart running?
Very, I mean, if you reallywanted to, it's just one foot in
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front of the other quickly.
And that's the end of theepisode, guys.
Thank you so much.
That's how you do it.
Um, no, but seriously, I mean itis like it's uh what's the word,
intimidating thing sometimes.
Like you see everyone on socialmedia posting like all these
different runs that they'redoing, um, their tempos, their
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paces, their races, like themarathons, whatever.
And it can feel like, oh man,like there's no way I can start.
It can feel like it's a lot.
Um, I definitely felt that way.
I don't know if you did when youfirst started your journey, but
um, it's hard in the beginningto be able to there we go.
It's hard in the beginning to beable to like find that rhythm
that works for you and allow youto stay consistent.
(01:43):
So hopefully with what we talkabout today, it's gonna at least
enlighten you a little bit ifyou want to start running.
If you're currently in thebeginning phases, maybe this
will help a little bit.
And if you're uh veteran and youknow, top of the line runner,
who knows?
Maybe a couple things that wesay will help today.
So sweet.
I want to ask you a question.
(02:03):
I'd like you to kick this off,and I didn't have you prepare
anything, so I really apologize.
But um let me kick it off byasking.
SPEAKER_03 (02:12):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
When did we actually start running together?
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
Is this a trick question?
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
No, when did we start running together?
SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
We ran together one time.
You mean like both of us berunning?
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (02:26):
I was like, we never go on runs together.
Uh I guess technically Januaryof 2023.
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Yes, that's what I had too.
SPEAKER_04 (02:36):
Okay, so I was testing me.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
I wasn't testing, but I had an answer for myself.
I wanted to see what you wouldsay.
Because like, you know, we had arun together like four weeks
ago, you and I.
SPEAKER_04 (02:45):
Yeah, and that's rare.
Like, well, I guess that one'san actual race, but we never go
on like runs together.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
No, four weeks ago.
Remember we were in Draper?
SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
Yeah, that's rare.
SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
That is kind of rare.
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
Oh, oh yeah.
That's the only time we've everdone that, actually.
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
Yeah, well, either way, um it's kind of interesting
that story.
Because when I ran that 2023Team Tim, I was like, oh, you
know, I'm just gonna I I reallywanted to impress you.
It was like, you know, I I'mstarting to date this girl.
I really want her to see thatI'm just a champion.
SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
So I just so ridiculous.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
I pushed myself really hard.
Um and after that I was I kindof got the bug.
I don't know what it was, but itwas like I didn't.
SPEAKER_04 (03:26):
And you probably realized that you were good.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Well, I think not that I was good, but I realized
that I had potential, and Irealized that there was still a
lot more to give.
And um that was at a time when Iwas listening to Jocko, Cam
Haynes, and Nick Bear, all thoseguys, like very religiously.
And I wanted to try out whatthey were saying, really.
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And you know, I I tried out whatJocko talked about with
discipline early on in my life,and saw the benefits from that,
and I was like, okay, well, if Istart running, maybe I'll see
some of these benefits that youknow, Nick Bear and Cameron
Haynes and Sally McRae, allthese people who I look up to
now, um, that they talk about.
That's kind of what started it.
But you've kept going too.
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You haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_04 (04:11):
Well, technically I've been trying to run since
2019, just because that's whenwe started doing our half
marathons, but never was Irunning consistently.
Up un 2023 was what the firsttime, like that whole year I ran
consistently for the first timeever.
SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:26):
And I imagine the whole the huge motivation is
like you were starting to run.
So I guess we both motivatedeach other to be running.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:35):
And that was huge, yeah, that was very helpful.
Of course, we do a half marathonevery year for my dad, but I
would just show up and run it,and it was horrible.
So I think I realized thatbecause I was training, the half
marathon was so much morebearable.
Yeah.
And I was doing so much betterthat I was like, oh, okay, maybe
if I don't stop, life's better.
And it that's ended up beingtrue.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Always does, right?
It's crazy.
Um, but at the beginning, likeone thing, especially when I
think about people who want tostart running or people in the
early phases, even myself at thebeginning, I hear this all the
time.
Like, I hate running.
I'm not a runner.
Did you ever go through that?
SPEAKER_04 (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
How'd you get over it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:16):
I still have a hard time saying I don't I still
won't even say I'm a runner.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
I like That's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04 (05:22):
It's hard for me to accept that because I feel like
I have an image in my mind ofwhat a runner is, and they're
like loving it, and they likeare flawlessly doing it and have
great form and sponsored or anyall these crazy things.
And I'm just out there likedoing the action now.
Obviously, I know that doing theaction equals you are that
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person.
SPEAKER_02 (05:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (05:43):
Um, but it's still hard for me to say just because
it just I've never identified asit.
However, um, for people who aretelling themselves they're not a
runner, I feel like so manythings are just your mindset.
I'm like, okay, if you'retelling yourself, that means
you're not gonna do it, thatmeans you're not a runner,
you're right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (06:01):
But the action leads to you becoming that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:03):
It goes back to that thing James Clear talks about a
lot is identity, likeidentifying with a habit.
And my one of my favoritestories comes from his book
where he talks about theoverweight guy who goes to the
gym.
SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
He just goes in the parking lot, but he went to the
gym.
He's like, I went to the gymtoday.
And it just continues to uh, youknow, to the point to where he's
staying there for a couple hoursand he lost all this weight.
But it started from a very smallaction where he's like, Hey, I
went to the gym.
And shout out to Dina and Carmentoo, because they've both said
this, like, oh, I'm just doingthe 10k for Team Tim or
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whatever.
Um, and they've both said thisto me, like, I'm not a runner.
And it's like, you're literallydoing the thing.
You're a runner.
It doesn't matter.
If it was like what you weresaying, like you're only a
runner if you're sponsored, ifyou're doing these big races, if
your form's perfect, then Ithink that number would be in
the hundreds of thousands.
Like, there wouldn't be a lot ofrunners in the world.
I wouldn't be a runner.
I'm not sponsored.
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I don't have perfect form.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
One thing, as you're talking about that, it reminds
me of I think so.
Say I'm not a runner.
I think a lot of people don'twant to be runners.
Everyone knows running sucks.
It's not fun.
Like the reason we run isbecause it teaches you how to
overcome hard things.
Yes, you feel great after and itis worth it.
Same with lifting, same with alot of other stuff.
But I think a lot of peopledon't want to be like, I'm a
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runner.
Like, no one wants to do thehard thing.
Okay.
That's like, I feel like that'ssuch a common thing.
SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
No one wants to be identified as a as a runner
because of like Because theydon't want to go run.
Because they don't want to run.
SPEAKER_04 (07:29):
I think a lot of people just don't want to run
because it's hard and it's not,it's like in long it takes so
much time.
Yeah.
Right.
And I was thinking about um likejust now as you're talking, I
saw a TikTok today, and itthey're like interviewing people
that are running the New YorkMarathon.
SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
Yes, I like this.
SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
Yeah, so cool.
And everyone's like theinterviewer was asking
everybody's why.
Like, what are you doing outhere?
Like, why are you running theNew York Marathon?
And everyone had a reason.
Like, oh, my dad had cancer, oh,I'm running to show be a good
example to my kid, oh, I'mrunning because I want to show
myself that I can do hard thingsand overcome difficulties.
And I think when people arelike, oh no, I don't run, I
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don't I don't want to be arunner, like one, they say that
because it's hard, but two,though I think the way to get
over it is to be like, find yourwhy.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (08:19):
If you're not that person that like is so excited
to put on your tennis shoes,like I am not that person, like,
unless the weather isunbelievable, like it has to
make a 12 out of 10 stunningday.
I'm not that person, and then Iknow, but I feel like you
overall can say you likerunning.
Yeah, like you I can't say thatvery well.
I have a hard time.
I I I hesitate to say that.
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But but like if you're not thatperson, it's like I have to run
every day, or it's I just feelgross.
And like I was talking to hersister-in-law and she was saying
how or she sent me a meme andwas saying how if she doesn't go
to the gym, she's like crazy andgrumpy and all this stuff.
I'm like, I don't know, it's adifference.
I wish I saw that big of adifference when I went to the
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gym versus when I didn't.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Really?
SPEAKER_04 (09:02):
And I feel like the same thing with running.
It's like, yes, I feel better,and overall I can see that over
a long period of time that I'vebeen running.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (09:10):
But I think I have to have a why because I'm not
the one that's like waking uplike super early because I can't
wait to get outside and go run,you know.
So for me, I think havinggreater purpose is really what
helps me overcome the idea ofthe whole identity thing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot that you saidabout it.
No, I I really like it, but Iwant to focus on that why piece
because when you start running,the excuses are going to outray
the outweigh the reasons.
SPEAKER_03 (09:38):
Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (09:39):
And like you'll find every excuse in the book.
Like, oh, you know, I had a runyesterday, my legs are still
tired, like maybe I need torecover.
I'm gonna recover, or didn't geta good night's sleep last night,
like uh, whatever.
The excuses are endless, but Iargue also, and I was thinking
about this today because I havea story to tell, the reasons are
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also endless to run.
And when I was at the gym today,I've just been tired the past
few days.
Like went up to Utah, packed,traveled down yesterday, drove
the car down all day, beenworking all day, and then when I
was at the gym, I lifted andfelt pretty good, and then I I
ran, and it's just it was one ofthose runs that like I was
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running and I was like, it'sonly been four minutes.
Like, and then I like keptgoing.
Did you get him?
SPEAKER_04 (10:27):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
I was getting a bug.
SPEAKER_04 (10:28):
It's a mosquito, and I had to kill it.
Carry on.
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Yeah, you do your thing.
And um, anyway, so like it wasone of those runs that just like
time was ticking by very slowly.
SPEAKER_03 (10:38):
Feels like you're going through mud.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
Yeah, exactly.
And it's like in that moment, Ithought of those excuses.
I was like, you know, maybe Ijust need to rest.
I'm pretty tired, like, Ihaven't had a lot of sleep this
weekend.
Um, I've been sleeping reallybad.
Like, uh maybe still I'm I'mrecovering from the 50k.
Like, I was coming up with theseideas, but then like very
quickly, I was reminded, like,hey, you have a body that's
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strong enough.
And it goes back to my why,which is like, I know what it's
like to not do that when I wassick.
And I was like, I am fortunateenough to be able to be in this
position where I can work mybody the way that I am.
And I'm not injured, I'm nothurt, I'm not passing out, and
so if I can handle thediscomfort, I'm gonna keep
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going.
And that's what I just kepttelling myself is like, hey,
remember where you were,remember that there's people who
can't, and shut up and get therun done.
Like, stick to the plan.
Then that's what got me throughtoday.
But it's like, like you what yousaid, it's going back to that
why.
Because when I remember the why,the excuses dissipate.
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Like it's like, yeah, they'restill there, it still beckons to
me, the comfort beckons to me,but I just don't give it the
time of day, I don't listen toit, and I don't let it be an
option to quit.
SPEAKER_04 (11:53):
I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (11:54):
Now I just went on a tangent.
SPEAKER_04 (11:56):
You're better than me.
I'm like, oh, I'm right aboutthat.
Okay, I'll walk.
SPEAKER_00 (12:00):
I mean, everyone deals with it, and everyone has
a different talk track, andthat's fine.
But and I'm not saying you haveto like endure the things that I
do.
I'm also training for a 50-milerace.
SPEAKER_02 (12:09):
Right, different.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
So it's it's like a different thing that I'm trying
to do.
Um, but just something to thinkabout.
And in the beginning, you make alot of mistakes when you're
running.
Do you remember any mistakesthat you made?
Any beginning running mistakes?
SPEAKER_04 (12:24):
Probably all all the mistakes I could have made.
I'm trying to think of like Ithink a high hydration is a big
one for me that I miss.
Because if I don't feel thirsty,I feel like I don't need water.
SPEAKER_01 (12:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (12:37):
And turns out that's not the case, and how your body
functions so highly of everyevery liquid you put in you.
SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04 (12:45):
So that's actually a lesson I think I've learned
mainly like recently for the 50kspecifically, too, of how much
hydration I actually neededbecause I've been cramping it up
really bad.
SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
Yeah.
Also shoes.
SPEAKER_04 (12:59):
Sorry, I didn't mean to.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
No, go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (13:01):
Also shoes.
I had the same running shoes forlike five years.
And then I was and it wasn'tuntil you and you're buying new
shoes, I'm like, oh, I kind ofwant new shoes, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (13:11):
So like trying to pick correct shoes for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:14):
Shoes will make or break you.
SPEAKER_04 (13:16):
How do you pick your shoes?
SPEAKER_00 (13:17):
I mean, I I just uh this is actually a great topic
for beginners too.
Um I chose shoes that lookedreally cool when I was first
started.
And like during the Team Timrace, I had no idea what the
shoe was.
I thought it looked cool, it wascheap, and I ran in it.
I think it was like a sockanysomething.
And then for my marathon thatyear, I found these other
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sockanies, and I wore soconiesbecause Nick Bear wore
sockanies.
And so like I found these onesthat were called like endorphin
max.
And I was like, oh, that'ssweet, that's gotta be good for
speed.
They ruined my feet.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
My feet have never hurt more than after that first
marathon, and it was because thetoes were so narrow.
I was I wore like a size 12because people are like, yeah,
you gotta go lower in in size.
SPEAKER_04 (14:05):
I've never heard that before.
SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
I well, I know, and I was listening to the wrong
people.
Um, and anyways, it destroyed myfeet.
So now what I do is there's thisrunning store in Orim, Utah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:17):
There's also one over in Arizona as well.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yeah, there's there's a couple places like
this, but basically what it is,it's a running store that you go
to and you can try on the shoes.
They would have you test them,like you'd probably run around a
little track or something likethat, or on a treadmill, um,
just to get an idea of how yourfeet feel in them, because that
truly is like such a big deal.
Understanding like what yourfoot shape is, like, don't go on
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Amazon and buy the shoes thathave highest reviews.
Like, I they might look cool,they might do fine for you.
But if you want the bestresults, go and get your feet
put in a couple different pairsand try them out at the stores.
SPEAKER_04 (14:54):
Also, with the um running on the trim at the
running store, a lot of timesthey'll have a camera on your
feet, so they're watching to seeif your ankles are rolling one
way or the other and how you'restepping.
I think that's what reallyhelped me is uh how I came to
know that I need a morestructured shoe.
SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (15:09):
Because my ankles roll fast.
SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
All that just to help prevent injury.
SPEAKER_04 (15:12):
Exactly.
So and I've noticed that a bigdifference.
And I had hokas for a minute andthey were just too soft.
I can imagine them beingcomfortable if you're a nurse on
your feet all day long andthings like that.
For me, it was like toocushion-y, yeah, didn't do it
for me.
And I still like doing thattrial and error in the beginning
for me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
And like Andy Glaze wears Hokas.
So yeah, you know, it's justdifferent feet.
SPEAKER_03 (15:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
Um, my biggest mistake was fuel.
So kind of like yours withhydration, but it's confession
time with Brett here.
Um, when I first startedtraining on my long runs, and if
Jackie's listening to this, I'mreally sorry, but I did not want
to eat around my long runs.
Like I've had an eatingdisorder, and I was like, uh no,
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like I don't want to eat thosecarbs because I I've heard so
many times, like, oh, carbs makeyou fat.
I'm like, I'm not gonna eatthose carbs.
Little did I know that carbs arethe preferred fuel source that
your body uses uh during runs.
So I remember just feeling tiredand weak during my long runs.
I would get to mile 10 andalways find an excuse to quit.
And um really it wasn't untilthis training block because when
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during my first ultra, I didn'teat anything during that race,
but I was also throwing up.
But like even during the longruns, I would have like one goo.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
Yeah, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
And so um I just had this weird thing about eating um
eating food.
That's really it.
Like I was worried aboutcalories, I didn't want to get
fat.
And um come to find out, aftertrial and error, carbs are your
best friend if you're a runner,and um it doesn't have anything
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be anything crazy.
Like the only time I go crazy oncarbs really is when I'm carb
loading.
Um, but now like I eat candyduring my long runs, I will eat
a big meal the night before.
Um, I'll wake up and have somesort of breakfast or some kind
of snack, and it keeps me going.
And it's like I feel a lotstronger on the runs, I feel
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like I can keep going, I feellike my body's able to handle a
lot more.
And it's just because of thisstupid little thing that I I
thought I was better than.
Like the fact that, hey, youknow, I don't have to eat, I'm
Brett.
It's pretty stupid, but it'slike, you know, I have to be
humble, I have to realize thatlike I'm not some kind of
superhuman, and if David Gogginshas to eat during races and so
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to do Annie Glaze, then Iprobably do too.
SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
Let me ask you this because like how much carbs
should you be eating for howlong you're going?
Because a lot of new runners,they're probably hitting like
three miles on their long runs,five miles on their long runs.
And so it's like I don't imaginethat they need to have a
buttload of candy and a loaf ofbread before a five-mile or so,
like, how do you determine howmuch carbs you need depending on
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how far you're going?
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
It's a great question.
So the the rule of thumb forlike ultramarathon runnings and
endurance athletes is 60 to 90grams of carbs per hour.
Along that, it's like 250milliliters of water and 250
gram milligrams of sodium perhour.
SPEAKER_04 (18:10):
So it's not how far you're going, it's how long
you're out there.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Usually it's how long.
Um, and so like, but if someonewanted to, you know, feel good
on a 5k, like one of my favoritethings to do is before I go to
the gym or um anything likethat, if I'm going on a long
run, my favorite two things I goto are sourdough bread, cooked
by baked by Alessandra, andbananas.
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Those two things.
Like, I'll have one or theother.
Um, if it's a very long run,I'll combine them.
But like if you're going on athree to five mile run, you
probably don't need a lot ofcarbs before.
Um, my only advice to that wouldbe eat some protein afterwards,
like have a protein shake, eat agood meal, because protein after
a run will help with recovery.
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And um go listen to my podcastwith Spencer Walker because he's
a um he's a medical doctor whostudies this stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (19:04):
Med student.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
He's a med student.
Uh thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (19:07):
Don't don't yeah, don't get clocked on that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
And he, but anyways, he talked about like the protein
synthesis that happenspost-recovery with um with
adding protein to your diet.
So it's an interesting thing,but like nutrition-wise, if
you're going for anything longerthan an hour and you feel like
you need something, by all meansdo it.
But 60 to 90 grams an hour isprobably where you want to stay.
And I know it sounds like a lot,like that's 60 grams is is
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probably like three bananas.
I think a banana is like 27grams of carbs, so maybe a
little less.
But anyways, like have a littlesnack before you go.
Um, you want fast digestingcarbs, so you don't you want to
avoid things like um oatmeal.
Like you what you really want isthings that are gonna get into
your bloodstream pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
So if you just chat GBT like fast carbs, that's what
you want before.
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
I think I I might have pulled some examples if I
was smart enough.
Let me see.
SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
Sounds like a banana before.
Depends on how long you'rerunning, then you can consider
60 grams of it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
Um I didn't, but apparently I wrote my
supplements down.
Oh hilarious.
For my supplements, I take Itake creatine.
I highly recommend creatine toanybody.
It helps with your energy and italso helps with brain function.
Um there's actually some reallycool studies that are coming out
about creatine's effect oncognition.
So pretty interesting.
Um I take Trace Minerals ZeroLight Electrolytes, those are
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filled with a thousandmilligrams of sodium, uh 400
milligrams of potassium, and 80milligrams of magnesium.
And they are my favorite so far.
Like I I've been a big elementguy my entire life until about a
year ago.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
I remember that.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
And then trace minerals came in and took it.
So I also take glucosamine formy joints, super helpful, and
then a mushroom complex, a uh D3pill, and um a couple other
things I gotta take.
But it's not magic, but I feellike it really does help my body
recover just a little bit more.
Um anything to add to that?
SPEAKER_04 (21:06):
I don't know.
I just like the idea of knowinglike what kind of simple things
to eat before a run.
That's one thing I never thoughtof until I started like a
marathon training.
Yeah, I had never brought foodor anything on any type of run.
And not that I think you need aton for like a half marathon,
but obviously you're gonna begoing longer than an hour.
And so being able to like notbonk is like huge.
SPEAKER_00 (21:29):
It's huge, massive.
SPEAKER_04 (21:30):
And that's another thing I liked is when I found
out you don't have to have afreaking goo, you can get your
carp in any way you want.
Yeah, it's that was game changerfor me.
SPEAKER_00 (21:37):
Absolutely, and I felt the same way.
Like, one goose are hellaexpensive, sure.
They add up very fast.
Like if you're gonna pack fivegoose, you're gonna probably be
paying like 12 bucks.
Yeah, it's gross.
Um, but if you look at theingredients of goo's, which is
basically just sugar, and if youlook at the ingredients of nerds
clusters, basically sugar,right?
Eat some of those instead.
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Save some money.
Yeah, hundred um calories per 16nerd clusters, and I think
around 27 grams of carbs.
SPEAKER_04 (22:06):
So that's like prime.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
It's perfect.
That's like exactly the themacros of a goo.
SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
So all right, go get your nerd clusters.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Nerd clusters are great, peach rings are great.
I really enjoyed gummy worms onthis last one.
SPEAKER_04 (22:17):
Um I like applesauce, but that doesn't
have as much of what you need.
Applesauce is nice when you'reon a treadmill because you can
just lay it in front of you andit's delicious.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Rice crispy treats.
I had those on my ultra.
Those are good.
Those are like 90 calories anduh I think around 20 grams of
carbs, so not bad.
SPEAKER_04 (22:34):
So you're looking for macros, not the expensive
type running stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (22:38):
I mean, you don't if you want that stuff, you can
have it.
Like some people really likegoose, some people like gels.
I really love the BPN Go gels,they're just expensive.
And it's like I don't want to bespending that much because I run
so much.
SPEAKER_04 (22:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:49):
And I'm not sponsored by anyone, so nerd's
clusters it is for a while.
SPEAKER_04 (22:53):
And it's probably smart too, because it's
something that people enjoy moretypically.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
And I literally look forward to eating my candy on my
runs.
SPEAKER_04 (23:00):
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
I'm a little kid.
Yeah, I don't eat candy much.
SPEAKER_04 (23:03):
I'm like, yeah.
You are a little kid.
Um nerd clusters were hard forme to get down on this last
race.
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
Yeah, so that's the other thing, too, is you gotta
experiment with them.
SPEAKER_04 (23:10):
Yeah, I was just it was too chewy.
I was like, I'm like exhausted.
SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
But I loved it.
It's all good.
SPEAKER_04 (23:14):
I'm happy for you.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Thank you.
Yogam.
Um, do you have a pre-run,post-run ritual?
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
No, I should.
I need to do better at doing mylittle leg swings and such
before runs.
I have a tendency to start cold,and I know I I can feel a
difference when I'm lazy andstart running cold than when I
do like get some my legs move inin advance.
Like, even if I'm doing likesome lunges or something like
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that, just to get my wigs awake,I notice a nine-day difference,
and I'm still lazy about it,unfortunately.
And as you noticed today, you'remad at me because my hips are
tight, and you said every nightwe're stretching from here on
out.
SPEAKER_00 (23:53):
I did.
I said it's a requirementbecause like it really is super
important to stretch, especiallyif you're doing repetitive
running like a lot.
Umxors.
Yeah, your body is gonna startto get very tight.
And if you don't stretch that,you're gonna risk injury and
you're also going to be moreuncomfortable.
SPEAKER_04 (24:11):
And the more you do that, the less you want to run,
and then you go back to squareone.
SPEAKER_00 (24:15):
Yeah, you also just perform and feel better when you
run when you run afterstretching.
Like I do before and after.
Before is a little lazy, butlike I just want to get the
blood flowing in there.
So I do hamstrings, quads, um,my hips, swing them around,
swing them around, do calfstretches, and then usually I'm
pretty good.
And then afterwards, I have awhole routine I go through that
maybe I should post, but that'sa good idea.
SPEAKER_04 (24:37):
It's kind of embarrassing because I am so bad
at post.
I will stop and like, okay, goshower.
Yeah, done for the day, youknow.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
All right, maybe I'll post it.
SPEAKER_04 (24:45):
All right, send it to me.
SPEAKER_00 (24:46):
It's just kind of cheesy.
I feel embarrassed.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (24:49):
I don't want to be known as a yoga man.
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
There's nothing wrong with that.
We're very proud of you.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
I know, yeah, that's the thing, is it's very
important, and so I I understandit's necessary, but um, either
way, stretching is veryimportant.
SPEAKER_04 (25:00):
So we're gonna post about this podcast tomorrow, and
then we will post yourstretching alongside of it.
So keep that in mind.
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (25:09):
So look out for that post on getting after it.co.
SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
There we go.
unknown (25:14):
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
What do you tell yourself when you don't want to
run?
SPEAKER_04 (25:18):
I think I always have to have a race coming up.
I don't think I'm very good atjust telling myself something.
I think if I don't have a goalI'm working towards, I am not
very disciplined with myday-to-day running.
I feel like there probably arethings better I could tell
myself that would motivate me toget out the door and and run.
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A lot of times I try and tellmyself like I'm just gonna start
with three miles or whatever.
I like I try to start slower,and usually by then I'm feeling
okay where I can like actuallyhit whatever miles I was
supposed to hit that day.
But if I quit, then I'm like atleast I got three.
So I always try to get myself toat least start.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
10 minute rule, excuse me.
SPEAKER_04 (26:00):
10 minute roll, yeah.
Get started for 10 minutes.
I feel like I need even longerthan that because I'll big sweet
10 done.
Like I I think I stop too oftenafter the 10.
I think I need like at least 20because around mile four is when
I start feeling good.
So if I don't make it to milefour, I'm probably gonna stop
before then.
I know that's like a weird ruleof mine, but if I can do four, I
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can do any distance.
If I can't do four, then thatday's only getting two.
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
Hey, I like that.
SPEAKER_04 (26:26):
And that's just I don't know why I've noticed
that's how I work, but I thinkfor me, I just always have to
have something I'm workingtowards.
Even if it's like a mileage forthe month or if it's a mileage
for the week, or things likethat, not necessarily like a
race, but if I don't have goalsthat I'm like actively working
towards, then there's a lowchance I'm gonna be able to get
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myself going.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
I like that.
Set goals for yourself, yeah.
And then hold yourselfaccountable to them.
That's a that's a great way tostay on track and to kind of
bypass some of those excusesthat come up.
Um, because they do, and it'sit's a normal thing.
Like if you want to startrunning and you actually start
and then you start feeling someof that resistance, just know
it's part of the process and youjust have to push past it.
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Um, it's hard.
Like I I still to this day havethose days where I'm like like I
was just telling you, like Iwanted to quit today.
But um I always ask myself if Ican handle it, and I always ask
myself if I can take one morestep, and if the answer is yes,
then I just shut up and I keepgoing.
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
And that's taken me a while to learn that.
Like I I wasn't that way in thebeginning, but um, it's just
through experience and uhunderstanding your body, knowing
your abilities, being able topersist when things become
difficult.
SPEAKER_04 (27:42):
When people show like slight interest in Team Tim
or like running any race, I'malways like, sign up right now.
Like you have to sign up, likebefore you can talk yourself out
of it.
I just want to like shake peopleand be like, Do it, do it right
now, or it's you're not gonna doit.
Because then fear, you getcloser, you think you have less
time, and then you're not gonnado it.
And how much better if you justsign up right then, you know
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you're working towards it, andthen it's like a little reminder
in the back of your mind to getmoving and to get going, and
you're gonna feel so much betterknowing that you were able to go
and accomplish that becauseanyone can do a half marathon or
a marathon or whatever you'retraining for with the proper
time and training and stuff likethat.
And so anytime people showinterest, I'm like, and do it
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right now.
Like my friend Bria, she's doingthe marathon in December.
She was like talking about howshe was really scared.
I'm like, you have to sign upright the second you think it
because then it's gonna get moreexpensive.
And you're like, oh no, it's tooexpensive.
Then it's gonna get, yeah, likeI said, like coming up too
close, like not enough time totrain.
And so if you get that bug, doit fast and let that be your
motivator and just get it done.
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Because how much better are yougonna feel about yourself
knowing that you can accomplishthe hard thing rather than
chickened out and just trying tocatch it next year or whatever?
SPEAKER_00 (28:50):
Yeah, no, that's a good that's good advice.
It really is.
SPEAKER_04 (28:52):
That's how I got freaking signed up for the 50k.
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
If you get the itch, scratch it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:56):
You guys were signing up and I got FOMO, and
that's literally why I freakingran the 50k.
I'm like, okay, shoot, you'resigning up, add me on that.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
You don't have FOMO for the 50 miler?
SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
I kind of do.
That's why I asked you if youwanted me to pace you or run
with or run out.
unknown (29:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (29:11):
Well, I was thinking about running it.
Oh.
That was the FOMO.
But then you're like, pace me.
I'm like, okay, fine, I'll pace.
SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
You can run it.
But I do have FOMO, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (29:21):
I think I'll probably get to a 50 miler,
unfortunately.
I haven't told you that yet, butsurprise.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
That is a surprise.
SPEAKER_04 (29:29):
That's the itch, I guess I gotta scratch now, huh?
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Do it with me in April.
SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
But I don't know about that one.
That one has so much elevation.
I almost died on this last one.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
It's low compared to the ones out there.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
But there's also ones that are flat.
SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
We're gonna talk about this later.
SPEAKER_04 (29:42):
We're fighting.
We're fighting.
Just kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:45):
Um, no, I love that advice.
It's great.
And something else that'sinteresting too that I I hear a
lot is like some people don'twant to run because they think
that they'll look stupid or theythink that they're not a good
runner.
Or it's embarrassing.
SPEAKER_04 (29:57):
Yeah, like I was an embarrassing girl.
I was embarrassed.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
What did you do to overcome that?
SPEAKER_04 (30:01):
That's why I didn't run with you until literally
like four m or literally lastmonth, and we've been running
for three years.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Um Well, how'd you overcome it?
SPEAKER_04 (30:09):
I think just by doing it more often.
I don't even know if I'mnecessarily overc I have
completely overcame it.
Cause I mean, you see a videothat you run finishing across
the finish line, I'm like,that's so embarrassing, but I
also know I just ran a wholerace, so of course my form's
gonna be a little suckier andI'm gonna look bad.
And that's kind of embarrassingto me as is.
SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
I just want to pause you really quickly because you
said the video of me crossingthe finish line was embarrassing
because of my form.
You crossed the finish line of a30-mile race in the desert.
SPEAKER_04 (30:37):
Okay, and I understand that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
I'm just saying that's not a that's a pretty
badass.
SPEAKER_04 (30:41):
That's just my mind being mean to me.
I'm like, oh, it look horrid andmy boobs and it's just bad.
SPEAKER_00 (30:47):
But Cha-ching.
unknown (30:48):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (30:50):
You brought it up, not me.
SPEAKER_04 (30:51):
And it just like looks bad.
But but then I was proud ofmyself, so I got over it.
But I think that just the more Iran, and I actually kind of like
watch videos of form.
There's lots of YouTube of likehow your cadence should be and
how you're like using um likethe posterior view and stuff
like that.
So I think I try to watch a lotof videos, and then at one point
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I was just like, you know what,this is what feels best, and so
who really cares?
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:18):
So I still have a hard time with that, and I still
think about it a lot, especiallyif I accidentally see a video.
But then I also see people whoare great runners who also look
sucky.
I'm like, oh, they're anincredible runner.
I'm like, that form looks weird,but it works for them, so who
really cares what I'm lookinglike?
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Who cares?
SPEAKER_04 (31:35):
So, like I said, I have a hard time with that.
It is kind of embracing thing,like, oh dang, like my pace is
15 minutes, and people arewalking faster than I'm running,
especially when I first startedrunning and I was like 15 pounds
heavier, and I just felt 15pounds heavier, and it just felt
gross, and I think just the moreI did it, the better I felt.
SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Yeah.
What I would tell people whothink that is this is your
journey and your journey only.
Yeah.
You shouldn't really care whatother people think.
I know that feeling is going tobe there, you're going to feel
that from other people, but thebest thing that you can do is
ignore those feelings and juststay committed to the goal, be
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consistent.
Because at the end of the day,if you're able to stick to the
promises that you've made foryourself, with hey, I'm gonna
get run X amount of times thisweek, or I'm gonna train for
this race and I'm gonna do it.
And if you keep those promises,your confidence is gonna go up a
ton, and you're gonna realizethat hey, that wasn't my end,
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that was just the beginning, andI feel like I can do more.
Um, so take that and at leasthave some confidence in the fact
that you're on your own journey,and who cares what other people
think?
Like when I started running, Iwas 140 pounds, I looked like a
stick, I'm sure I lookedridiculous.
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But if I stopped because of whatI thought other people thought
of me, I wouldn't be where I amtoday.
I wouldn't be training for a50-mile race, I wouldn't be um
being able to talk about thiswith you and and hopefully
inspiring other people to do thesame.
But those are feelings arehuman, but they're just
thoughts, and you don't have tolisten to them.
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You can ignore them, you canfind something that you're proud
about, the fact that you'restill running.
Like, optics is the leastimportant thing with running.
SPEAKER_04 (33:33):
I like to add as well, like the post you just
posted with the quotes from BabeRuth, like the loudest boobs
come from like the cheapestseats.
Yeah, and I think about the alltime.
I've never heard a runnerbelittle a new runner.
Yeah, like never ever.
The only people who hate onrunners is those who know that
they are not doing it and arethe ones who are like, you just
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know are secretly en being.
Yeah, and they're the they'relike the ones that don't run,
and they're always mad atrunners who run because they're
out there pushing themselves.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
Yeah, there's this quote from Cam Haynes.
Um apologies, but this is whathe says.
He says, uh, no one doing betterthan you is ever gonna talk
shit.
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
So true.
SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
It's it's really like I've never ran into that.
I was running with some dude uhduring that race who was doing a
50 mile race, and I told him Iwas doing a 50k, and he was
looking good, and he's like,he's like, Yeah, man, you got
this, like keep going.
SPEAKER_04 (34:28):
That was one thing I didn't notice is like the 50k
people and the 50 milers crosseach other.
Yeah, every 50 miler person waslike, Good job, good job.
Like, I have never seen thatmuch support from other runners
ever.
Yeah, no, like on a marathon,everyone's kind of locked into
their own thing.
Usually you're going for speed,everyone's hollow on distance,
like it's a much slower racebecause it's farther.
(34:52):
Yeah, I'm walking, and a 50miler is like running by me.
Great job, keep going.
I'm like, dang, you know I'mdoing the 50k and I look like an
idiot, and I'm walking andyou're blasting by me.
But they're all so supportivebecause they know what it took
to even get to that point.
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
They know how hard it is.
Yeah, yeah, it sucks sometimes.
SPEAKER_04 (35:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
But really, think about that.
Like, the loudest boos do comefrom the cheapest seats.
There's also this quote fromit's a quote from Rick and
Worty, kind of along the samelines.
Do you not know what that is?
SPEAKER_04 (35:20):
I think I know what the little character looks like.
SPEAKER_00 (35:22):
It's a really nerdy show.
SPEAKER_04 (35:23):
Cartoon.
SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
And it's you hate you would hate it.
SPEAKER_04 (35:26):
Sounds right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:26):
Um, but he says, Um, your boos mean nothing to me.
I see what makes you cheer.
SPEAKER_04 (35:33):
Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
So um last thing I'll ask you ishave you ever heard something
from a coach, a runner, um, orjust anyone that has kind of
stayed with you?
Or just a concept.
It doesn't have to be a quote,but like anything from one of
those people that has likestayed with you to this day.
SPEAKER_04 (36:01):
Hmm.
That's a tough one.
Because I feel like there'sthings that I try to embody, but
a quote that has uh stuck withme.
I feel like there's one at thetip of my head, and I is that
the phrase tip of my head?
Um tip of my tongue.
Tongue.
I think.
Do you have one to share beforeI share?
SPEAKER_00 (36:20):
I do have one.
SPEAKER_04 (36:21):
Okay, you go first.
SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
Okay, so this is from Haruki Murakami.
SPEAKER_04 (36:26):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
Yep.
Uh his Instagram page is calledWhat I Talk About When I Talk
About Running.
SPEAKER_04 (36:32):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (36:33):
Here's what he says, and I love this.
Again, you've heard me talkabout something similar to this.
Pain is inevitable, suffering isoptional.
Say you're running and youthink, man, this hurts.
I can't take it anymore.
The hurt part is an unavoidablereality.
But whether or not you can standanymore is up to the runner
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himself.
So it's like that same thingthat I love.
Um, that conversation withdiscomfort that you have.
You know, discomfort asks, canyou take another step?
And only you can answer it.
And during many of my runs, I'vehad pain, and I've had that
conversation with discomfort andrealized that it doesn't define
who I am, and I can keep going.
SPEAKER_04 (37:15):
I like that.
So I know it looks like I'mdistracted, but I'm pulling up a
quote as you're doing that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Um, I was going through just now some quotes I
have written down becauseoriginally I was gonna say this
is like I'm pretty sure this isan Ohio State motto.
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
Let's go.
SPEAKER_04 (37:33):
But it's you versus you every day.
And why do you like it?
I I think that I am one whoconstantly can compare my runs
to other people.
I feel like I do pretty goodwith not comparing like my life
to other people's like on socialmedia.
I don't feel like I'm I'm sadwhen I see other people's
success.
Like I'm very happy for otherpeople.
(37:55):
Until it comes to running, I'mvery competitive with running.
I don't know what it is, and itaffects me very negatively.
Once I see a race is over, I'mlike quick on their website
looking at everybody's timebecause I gotta know like where
I would fall.
I'm like, would I would I be inthe top like 50%?
You know, like I don't know whatit is, but maybe because I'm a
little insecure about myrunning, do I feel like I
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compare more?
I'm not sure.
And so that I um that quote ofyou versus you like every day
has helped me to be able to takemy eyes off everybody else and
just focus on what I'm doing andput my head down and grind.
And I think I thought about thata lot during our 50k because I'd
be like running, walking,climbing, whatever.
(38:38):
And I kept trying to tellmyself, like, this race is not
about the pace.
This is just me doing my best.
Yeah, this is like just givingit everything I have, whatever
that looks like.
And I know sometimes I'll havelike a speed race where I am
going for like competing, likewhere I want to like be
competitive in this race.
But a lot of the times it's likeme showing up every day for
(38:58):
myself.
It's me against like mytiredness, it's me against my
laziness, it's me just beingable to prove to myself that I
can show up for me every day,and it takes away the
distractions, it takes away theembarrassment, it takes away all
those negative side effects thatcome with one trying a new
thing, and two always being astudent.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
I like that a lot.
SPEAKER_04 (39:21):
So it's helped me a lot.
That's a great quote, and that'sbut that's what I was trying to
check to see if it was OhioState.
I I think it is.
If it's not, sorry, sue me.
SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
Don't sue her.
Oh, okay.
She's my wife.
SPEAKER_04 (39:33):
We share monies.
SPEAKER_00 (39:34):
Yeah, that's a bad idea.
Um I love that though, becausethat's really what running is
for me.
Is like if I can do somethingdifficult, like running, if I
can prove that I can do that,what can I not do?
SPEAKER_03 (39:47):
It's the 1% better every day.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
Like it's why I feel confident about things like
getting after it.
It's like because I'm doing mybest, and I have faith that
something good will come fromthat through that consistency.
Yep.
And running is the same way.
It's like you should be battlingyourself every single day.
It's a great quote.
SPEAKER_04 (40:04):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
I oh.
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
And I wrote down five things that I've learned
that are helpful for anybeginner runner or anyone
starting their own journeytoday.
Okay.
If you have any that you'd liketo add, feel free.
First one is start small.
You need to run for time and notnecessarily distance.
So commit to running for 30minutes or an hour, whatever it
is.
(40:27):
Don't focus on the distance.
That's not what's important inthe beginning.
The beginning is all aboutforming the habit.
SPEAKER_04 (40:33):
Can I add to that?
When I first started runningbefore I had more of like a
structured training, I would runTuesday, Thursday, Saturday, and
my Tuesday would be for an hour.
Whatever, however much I can getin an hour.
Sometimes I try to go reallyfast and see how many miles I
get in an hour.
Sometimes I'm like, I fell offand I'm just gonna run for an
hour, even if it's three miles.
SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:52):
So Tuesday was always like an hour, or maybe it
was two hours, or whatever I hadset for that day.
And then Thursday would be mydistance.
So either it's like, or I guessthis was distance slash
intervals.
So that would be likespecifically like I'm either
trying to hit seven miles or Ihave four mile intervals or
whatever it is, and thenSaturday's long run.
But that always helped mebecause some days, and if I was
(41:15):
really struggling on a Tuesdayor Thursday, I could swap them,
or I'm like, uh, I have nothingin me.
I want to do like my time sloton Thursday instead.
SPEAKER_00 (41:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (41:25):
Why are you laughing?
SPEAKER_00 (41:26):
Nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (41:27):
I don't know if that's good advice or not.
It is, but it's great advice.
Yeah.
One thing that we haven't talkedabout is how redundant running
is and how like it can beboring.
That has helped me.
So if you have a hard time beinglike, oh, I just hate going
doing the same thing every day.
For me, I was like, okay, thisone I'm going for speed because
I'm gonna see how many miles Ican get in 30 minutes, and then
this one I'm doing intervals.
(41:48):
I get a run to one stoplight andthen walk to the next and run to
the one.
So then it's kind ofinteractive.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Yeah, more changes it up a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (41:57):
That was helpful for me.
SPEAKER_00 (41:57):
I like that.
SPEAKER_04 (41:58):
That's huge, actually.
I can't stamp that one.
That one's huge for me.
Yeah, you gotta change up yourwriting.
There's a lot of different waysyou can do running style or
different running trainingplans, and that's huge for me.
SPEAKER_00 (42:09):
You can add things like fartlicks, which are
basically just like speedworkouts, and there's a lot of
stuff that you can do.
But yeah, if it gets boring,don't feel don't feel like you
can't switch it up.
SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
That was my problem.
SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
Yeah, it's tough.
SPEAKER_04 (42:20):
Sorry, onward.
SPEAKER_00 (42:21):
You're good.
Um, the second one is keep thepace easy.
Like make sure it'sconversational, especially in
the beginning.
You're not trying to sprint,you're trying to, like I said,
build the habit.
Yeah, invest in good shoes.
So I'm glad you said that.
SPEAKER_04 (42:33):
Nailed it.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
Um changes a lot, saves your knees.
Fuel and recover.
And like I learned, you're notweak for needing calories,
you're smart.
So keep that in mind.
And the most important one Ithink in the beginning is
tracking your progress.
You can use Strava, you can usea notebook, but make it visible,
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be able to look at the data andsee where you were two weeks ago
to where you're at today.
Look for any sign ofimprovements.
And if you see any, be proud ofit.
Like be excited, celebrate that.
Um that's all I got.
You got any more?
SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
I like that.
Um, no, I like the pace onebecause that's like a prime time
when you feel embarrassed, isbecause you're trying to go slow
enough where you can talk.
Yeah, you're gonna feelembarrassed, you're gonna feel
slow, you're gonna feel maybefat and ugly like I did.
And that's okay.
Normal feelings, we all gothere.
But keep that pace.
That's when running is moreenjoyable because you don't feel
like you're dying.
So I would add that.
(43:33):
Um, and then you said what wasthe last one again?
SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
Track your progress.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
Track your progress.
Yeah, that's huge.
I have a folder in my phone ofjust screenshots of my watch or
of my app, and it's calledRunning Progress.
It's an album only phone.
And I love it because I'll goback to 2019, and I was like, I
remember being so proud of thisone six-mile run that took me an
hour and a half, and now it'slike that I've obviously much
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faster than that now.
And so being able to see that isdefinitely very motivating, but
also keep in mind if you'rerunning a lot, you see progress
really fast right in thebeginning, you're gonna hit a
plateau and it's gonna suck.
And then you're not gonna runfor a week, or something
happens, you're on vacation, andyou can't run.
It's gonna feel like you go backto square one, but that's only a
(44:20):
couple of your runs, and thenyou'll you'll come back faster
every time you get back into it.
That's what I was scared ofbecause I ran the 50K, and the
week before the 50K on Tuesday,the furthest I can go is two
miles, and I felt like crap.
SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:33):
And I was like, holy frick, I have 28 more in five
days, and I was so scared.
Um, but sometimes you just hitthose lows, sometimes you hit
those plateaus, super normal.
Just stay consistent with it,and it'll come back up really
fast.
SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
I would say my progress has been very close to
the SP 500.
My progress has been close tothe stock market.
SPEAKER_04 (44:57):
Okay, that's what I thought that was, but why'd you
say it's so weird?
SPEAKER_00 (45:00):
Uh it's just a I don't know, fund.
But basically, like, you know,it goes up sometimes, goes down,
it goes up, goes down, goes up,goes down, but overall it's
growing.
SPEAKER_01 (45:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
And that's kind of how I look at running
progression is yeah, there aretimes when you go into a pit.
There's other times when youfeel like you're on cloud nine.
True.
And they can be back to back.
Yeah, the important thing is youjust you just keep going.
You keep showing up foryourself, you keep showing up to
get better, and eventually ithappens.
SPEAKER_04 (45:28):
True.
I like that.
I'm sure we missed stuff.
So if there's questions youhave, ask Brett.
SPEAKER_00 (45:33):
If there's questions, please reach out.
But that's really it.
I mean, that would be my advicefor anyone starting to run.
Um enjoy the process because itreally is a process.
It takes time, it takes a lot ofeffort, it takes consistency.
But at the end of the day, likeI can confidently say it's made
me a better person.
I'm sure you can say the same.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (45:53):
Um, and it can do the same for you.
It's not gonna change and fixall your problems, but it's
gonna make you better at leastenduring them.
SPEAKER_04 (45:59):
So I like that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:01):
Anything else you got?
SPEAKER_04 (46:03):
Um, getting after it, just drop their shirts,
merch.
SPEAKER_00 (46:06):
That's right.
If you go to keepgetting afterit.com, there's a shop section,
and we have all of our merchthere now.
So it's pretty exciting.
SPEAKER_04 (46:15):
And if you go to journal, you can see some
newsletters.
SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
My blog posts, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (46:19):
Which are really cool too.
I like that section.
SPEAKER_00 (46:21):
So, yeah, that's fun.
SPEAKER_04 (46:22):
But go check it out, play around.
SPEAKER_00 (46:23):
Yeah, keep getting after it too.
It's always a good message.
But I like it.
Yeah, thank you everyone forlistening.
Uh, really appreciate your time,and thank you for coming on.
Always appreciate you.
Um, if it meant anything to you,please send it to someone if it
helped you, and uh leave a likeon Spotify Netflix.
SPEAKER_04 (46:41):
Like, comment, subscribe, retweet, repost.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
All that good stuff.
Check me out, it all helps.
We appreciate it.
But um, as always, my friends,keep getting after you.
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