If you are a listener from the United States, how patriotic do you feel at this time? Did you celebrate the 4th of July with enthusiasm and gusto or with an eye roll and a mumbled “Meh!”?
In this conversation, we reflect on the significance of the 4th of July and explore the concept of patriotism. We discuss personal experiences related to Independence Day, the meaning of patriotism in contemporary society, and the importance of acknowledging both the positive and negative aspects of American history. We emphasize the need for critical assessment of national pride and the role of civil discourse in creating a more inclusive understanding of patriotism.
Take Our Patriotic Survey:
We’d like to know how you spent your 4th of July this year and what it means to you to be patriotic, now that you know our answers to these. Please take a minute to visit this Google Form link where you can take our three question survey: https://forms.gle/f1Xsm112E8hVogJV7
Learn more:
The 4th of July, a Time to Celebrate…or Not? By Heidi and Guy Burgess - https://open.substack.com/pub/beyondintractability/p/newsletter-365?r=2ztkta&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
We asked the same questions of Perplexity AI that Heidi and Guy asked of Chat GPT 4o. We got similar answers. If you are curious, you can look at what we found on Perplexity using this link: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-you-tell-me-what-progressi-2It9P1PLSXWppcK6NPo0sQ
An excellent podcast that looks at what it means to be patriotic through the evolution of Captain America. Does America Need a Hero? From NPR history podcast Throughline: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/03/1255164467/does-america-need-a-hero
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
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