October 6, 2025 • 12 mins
Defensive coordinator Shane Bowen speaks to the media Monday from the Quest Diagnostics Training Center.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Shane, thanks for doing this. Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
From your secondary, Shane, what are you seeing? It seems
like I asked you last week about the big runs
that have leaked out through the secondary, and I totally
understand that's, you know, an all eleven thing, but you know,
not getting them on the ground in the second level
and then obviously the big pass play behind your safety yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's an area you guys have.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
A lot of money and draft picks invested in.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What are you seeing from that back end?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, obviously you want the big one back, like, we
can't give that up, especially backed up there with with
how the game was going, I felt like that swinging
the momentum right there. For sure, we got to do
a good job of understanding our leverage is that thing
gets down the field and where our help is and
making sure like we had two guys back there and
(00:49):
he broke really across our leverage and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We were unable to get him down.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Other than that play, like I thought there was some
good thing is we got to eliminate the penalties, the grabbing,
the DPI negated interception for us early, whether we're.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Slipping or not.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We got to do a good job not coming into
contact with those guys on those underthrown tip passes being
able to find the football. I think that that was
a potentially big time play for us that we weren't
able to get uh and extended the drive just continuing
to work on not panicing down the field. I think
(01:29):
these guys feel themselves and they're actually in decent position
as we're going their own body. And then just as
it keeps getting extended, the panic sets in a little bit,
and we got to be able to find some comfort
when we're on body and be able to locate the
football and a fout.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The rotation you do with flotting Banks, is that something
you're committed to all season chain or is that something
that gets reviewed week by week.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, to my untrained eye, it seems like flots out
playing him, So it seems like.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You're, you know, getting worse by taking flat off the field. Yeah,
it's a week to week thing. We talk about it
every week.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
About how we're going to go in and handle some
of the stuff and based on skill sets, what we're
trying to ask these guys to do potentially, but it's
going to be an ongoing evaluation for us. And again
I think they both have done some good things. It's
just continuing with the consistency play in and play out,
and really that goes for everybody, all eleving guys just
(02:31):
being able to be more consistent and make the plays
when they're there and ultimately not hurt us in certain
situations either.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And then the last thing that's kind of to that
same point is do you have the autonomy to like
decide who play who plays.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Based on you know, the game plan or the or
the scheme or.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Practice performance, or do you have to consider things like
how much like drafts, data and money invested in stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
When you're decided when you're giving a playing time.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, like these players earn't what they get when they
get here. Like That's that's how it is, That's how
it's been. I think us as a staff is something
we discuss day in and day out, just how guys
are performing, where they're at, going into a game plan,
what we think is best in terms of matchups and
some of those other things. But it's about finding the
(03:25):
guys that can put us in the best position to win.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Thanks Shanny chart name er not on Heysham.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Just to follow up on that first second, why even
do the rotation like, which, what do you see that
makes you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Want to continue in that?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I think like the ability of Tay obviously when
he's able to get his hands on guys and challenge
guys and he's been able to be tight. There's there's
clips where he's been able to be tight and he's
got some pass break up for us this year as
we've went. I think that plays into a little bit.
I think Lot has done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I think Flat has developed immensely here this offseason. He's
earned the right to play as well. I think both
those guys, with how they've worked, there's been improvement.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Something will continue to.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Evaluate with every player, not just those two positions, but
every player, making sure we got the right eleven out
there and in the situations that we need them out there,
and hopefully all these guys can when their numbers call,
they can show up and make place for us.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I think has for fun a good playing four times
ready and then limited playing. What point is said too
much for you guys to say, you know what, it's counterproductive?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, I mean again, I think that's something we got
to look at and we got to continue to evaluate,
and I see your point with that. I think again,
no different than kind of with Drew, Like we're working
through some things, doing our best to teach them these techniques,
these fundamentals, and and hopefully we can work out the
kinks and become a little bit more consistent and not
(04:58):
have those plays that put us and harms away.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And then when Deck he had a limited work put
how much that I mean was pre planned and was
just him not having energy. He's just coming over the illness,
and do you expect that to.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Be the case. So next week they know, yeah he was,
he was sick last week.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Obviously you guys didn't see amount of practice, so uh,
limited work for him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Throughout the week.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We were able to get him back in, get adjusted,
get going on Friday, and and really for us, it
was just trying to manage them where we could we
could have him in the fourth quarter, you know, where
we weren't wearing them out just with not doing anything
and still fighting the sickness. I give credit to him
to go out there and do what he did, still
battling that stuff. So we'll see how I feel is
(05:48):
moving forward, here's still bad.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You think it might do something in to deal again
this week.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think he's turning the corner. I think he's turning
the corner.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then also I wanted to ask you, Jess, I
forgot what I was going to say right now, To
be honest with you, I have one.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
More prevent we can circle back. Off the top of
my head.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, I'm a good Patty China, Ny Shane, thanks for
taking my question.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No problem.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
So to my entrain, I looks like sometimes you have
defensive backs that are getting turned around looking word for
the ball and whatnot. And I'm just wondering is that
more of a product of the fundamental slacking or poor angles,
or is it a combination or what? What do you
seeing that?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, I think the ones that you saw yesterday, a
lot of those guys we were in pretty good position
in terms of being on body connected to the receiver.
I think the biggest thing is we got to make
sure we're getting our head around and locate locating the
football when we are in that position. It's one thing
to not be on body and you're trailing and you're
trying to catch up. It's hard to look for the
(06:57):
ball at that point because you're putting your head down,
try to run to get back on bodies. So I
think the continued fundamentals of feeling when I'm in the
position when the receiver's eyes go back, when they're if
I got to be able to play their hands, I
got to be able to play their hands as well.
Just getting comfortable in those positions down the field as
(07:19):
you're running full speed and making sure we're able to
get our eyes back and locate the football, because again,
that's the one saving grace we have as defenders is
if there is contact, as long as we're looking back
and trying to play for the football, that's where we
get a little bit of saving grace from these officials.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Ryan that lady.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Shane Darius Alexander was a healthy scratch week one and
now it seems like he's making some place.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
What do you see from his.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Kind of rapid development and do you attribute any of
that to maybe lighting a fire under him?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think for anybody not being out
there is probably the best motivator that we have. To
his credit, he has worked his butt off. We've seen
it in practice weekend and week out. The development, the growth,
using his skill set, using his length, got a lot
(08:25):
of trust in him right now with how he's playing.
He's been doing it consistently. It hasn't been a flash
in the pan one time thing. So like the trajectory
he's going, credit to him. He's worked, he's overcame where
he was early on in the year, and he's taken
strides and I think he's improving every week.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And then why do you think you guys weren't able
to get duplicate the kind of pass rush stats that
you had last week. It seemed like maybe the whole
focus of Rattler was just getting the ball out really quick.
Is that something you noticed.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was getting out fast.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I do think we had some had some rushes there,
especially on the interior where we're getting some push and
DA's early in the game where he hit him as
he was releasing the ball and we got the penalty.
I think DJ had one, I think Nacho had one.
But again, the ball is out relatively quickly. We got
(09:23):
to do a good job doing what we can to
stay tight and see if we can get him to
hold it at times right to buy some time for
the pass rush. I think that that plays into it.
Then the ability when you're when you're going against offenses
like that, to make sure we get our hands up right.
There's opportunities there for for tip passes. We had a couple,
but tip passes that hopefully get get bounced up in
(09:45):
the air and we can find ways to turn the
ball over that way.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And my last one was just as you flip it
forward here. I know you have no time to go
for one game to the other, right, but when you
see the Eagles are kind of like their receivers are
kind of chirping, they're not getting the ball much, is
that something that is in the back of your mind
that like they might try to force feed these guys
as we get towards Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think they have a
good idea who they are and all the different playmakers.
They got a lot of players they got to distribute
to on that side of the ball. I think that's
just one thing for us. We got to make sure
we do a good job. Obviously with the run game,
continue what we did last last night for the most part,
(10:28):
or yesterday for the most part.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it starts there.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Obviously with Saquan, he's going to be juiced up ready
to go Thursday night here, So it starts there, and
then we got to make sure we do a good
job handling these playmakers on the perimeter. And they're going
to find ways to get them the ball they always do.
They're going to manufacture it how they need to. But
first and foremost, we got to be good on hopefully
(10:53):
these first and second downs and create some more third
and longs. That's that's where yesterday I felt like we
we kind of let them off the hook a little bit.
We lived in third and three I think seven snaps
of third and three or less, and it gets hard.
So we got to make sure we do a good
job with all those guys on that side of the
ball on first, second down.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thank you, Shane.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yep, last one at Valentine and you're talking a little
bit about first and second down.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The run stats yesterday were a lot better. I think
the Saints average list in three yards per Carrie, did
you feel like you made some progress there and in
the run defense and you're so wide?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, absolutely. I was pleased with how our guys played
the run. I know there were a couple of loose
ones there. I think we missed a few tackles that
we would like to have back on some of those
as well. But overall, I thought we played physical. I
thought the guys were trying to change the math in
terms of not just giving themselves up, trying to take
(11:58):
on two times and.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Really just building the wall up front.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
The edge guys were firm, So overall, I do I
feel like it's it improved yesterday, and it's another tall
task this week, like we're gonna have to be ready
to go and it's going to take the same type
of effort for us to slow them down.
Hey, Shane, thanks for doing this. Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
From your secondary, Shane, what are you seeing? It seems
like I asked you last week about the big runs
that have leaked out through the secondary, and I totally
understand that's, you know, an all eleven thing, but you know,
not getting them on the ground in the second level
and then obviously the big pass play behind your safety yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's an area you guys have.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
A lot of money and draft picks invested in.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What are you seeing from that back end?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, obviously you want the big one back, like, we
can't give that up, especially backed up there with with
how the game was going, I felt like that swinging
the momentum right there. For sure, we got to do
a good job of understanding our leverage is that thing
gets down the field and where our help is and
making sure like we had two guys back there and
(00:49):
he broke really across our leverage and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We were unable to get him down.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Other than that play, like I thought there was some
good thing is we got to eliminate the penalties, the grabbing,
the DPI negated interception for us early, whether we're.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Slipping or not.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We got to do a good job not coming into
contact with those guys on those underthrown tip passes being
able to find the football. I think that that was
a potentially big time play for us that we weren't
able to get uh and extended the drive just continuing
to work on not panicing down the field. I think
(01:29):
these guys feel themselves and they're actually in decent position
as we're going their own body. And then just as
it keeps getting extended, the panic sets in a little bit,
and we got to be able to find some comfort
when we're on body and be able to locate the
football and a fout.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The rotation you do with flotting Banks, is that something
you're committed to all season chain or is that something
that gets reviewed week by week.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, to my untrained eye, it seems like flots out
playing him, So it seems like.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You're, you know, getting worse by taking flat off the field. Yeah,
it's a week to week thing. We talk about it
every week.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
About how we're going to go in and handle some
of the stuff and based on skill sets, what we're
trying to ask these guys to do potentially, but it's
going to be an ongoing evaluation for us. And again
I think they both have done some good things. It's
just continuing with the consistency play in and play out,
and really that goes for everybody, all eleving guys just
(02:31):
being able to be more consistent and make the plays
when they're there and ultimately not hurt us in certain
situations either.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And then the last thing that's kind of to that
same point is do you have the autonomy to like
decide who play who plays.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Based on you know, the game plan or the or
the scheme or.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Practice performance, or do you have to consider things like
how much like drafts, data and money invested in stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
When you're decided when you're giving a playing time.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, like these players earn't what they get when they
get here. Like That's that's how it is, That's how
it's been. I think us as a staff is something
we discuss day in and day out, just how guys
are performing, where they're at, going into a game plan,
what we think is best in terms of matchups and
some of those other things. But it's about finding the
(03:25):
guys that can put us in the best position to win.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Thanks Shanny chart name er not on Heysham.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Just to follow up on that first second, why even
do the rotation like, which, what do you see that
makes you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Want to continue in that?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I think like the ability of Tay obviously when
he's able to get his hands on guys and challenge
guys and he's been able to be tight. There's there's
clips where he's been able to be tight and he's
got some pass break up for us this year as
we've went. I think that plays into a little bit.
I think Lot has done a really good job.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I think Flat has developed immensely here this offseason. He's
earned the right to play as well. I think both
those guys, with how they've worked, there's been improvement.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Something will continue to.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Evaluate with every player, not just those two positions, but
every player, making sure we got the right eleven out
there and in the situations that we need them out there,
and hopefully all these guys can when their numbers call,
they can show up and make place for us.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I think has for fun a good playing four times
ready and then limited playing. What point is said too
much for you guys to say, you know what, it's counterproductive?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, I mean again, I think that's something we got
to look at and we got to continue to evaluate,
and I see your point with that. I think again,
no different than kind of with Drew, Like we're working
through some things, doing our best to teach them these techniques,
these fundamentals, and and hopefully we can work out the
kinks and become a little bit more consistent and not
(04:58):
have those plays that put us and harms away.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
And then when Deck he had a limited work put
how much that I mean was pre planned and was
just him not having energy. He's just coming over the illness,
and do you expect that to.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Be the case. So next week they know, yeah he was,
he was sick last week.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Obviously you guys didn't see amount of practice, so uh,
limited work for him.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Throughout the week.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We were able to get him back in, get adjusted,
get going on Friday, and and really for us, it
was just trying to manage them where we could we
could have him in the fourth quarter, you know, where
we weren't wearing them out just with not doing anything
and still fighting the sickness. I give credit to him
to go out there and do what he did, still
battling that stuff. So we'll see how I feel is
(05:48):
moving forward, here's still bad.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
You think it might do something in to deal again
this week.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I think he's turning the corner. I think he's turning
the corner.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then also I wanted to ask you, Jess, I
forgot what I was going to say right now, To
be honest with you, I have one.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
More prevent we can circle back. Off the top of
my head.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, I'm a good Patty China, Ny Shane, thanks for
taking my question.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No problem.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
So to my entrain, I looks like sometimes you have
defensive backs that are getting turned around looking word for
the ball and whatnot. And I'm just wondering is that
more of a product of the fundamental slacking or poor angles,
or is it a combination or what? What do you
seeing that?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, I think the ones that you saw yesterday, a
lot of those guys we were in pretty good position
in terms of being on body connected to the receiver.
I think the biggest thing is we got to make
sure we're getting our head around and locate locating the
football when we are in that position. It's one thing
to not be on body and you're trailing and you're
trying to catch up. It's hard to look for the
(06:57):
ball at that point because you're putting your head down,
try to run to get back on bodies. So I
think the continued fundamentals of feeling when I'm in the
position when the receiver's eyes go back, when they're if
I got to be able to play their hands, I
got to be able to play their hands as well.
Just getting comfortable in those positions down the field as
(07:19):
you're running full speed and making sure we're able to
get our eyes back and locate the football, because again,
that's the one saving grace we have as defenders is
if there is contact, as long as we're looking back
and trying to play for the football, that's where we
get a little bit of saving grace from these officials.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Ryan that lady.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Shane Darius Alexander was a healthy scratch week one and
now it seems like he's making some place.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
What do you see from his.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Kind of rapid development and do you attribute any of
that to maybe lighting a fire under him?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think for anybody not being out
there is probably the best motivator that we have. To
his credit, he has worked his butt off. We've seen
it in practice weekend and week out. The development, the growth,
using his skill set, using his length, got a lot
(08:25):
of trust in him right now with how he's playing.
He's been doing it consistently. It hasn't been a flash
in the pan one time thing. So like the trajectory
he's going, credit to him. He's worked, he's overcame where
he was early on in the year, and he's taken
strides and I think he's improving every week.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And then why do you think you guys weren't able
to get duplicate the kind of pass rush stats that
you had last week. It seemed like maybe the whole
focus of Rattler was just getting the ball out really quick.
Is that something you noticed.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was getting out fast.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I do think we had some had some rushes there,
especially on the interior where we're getting some push and
DA's early in the game where he hit him as
he was releasing the ball and we got the penalty.
I think DJ had one, I think Nacho had one.
But again, the ball is out relatively quickly. We got
(09:23):
to do a good job doing what we can to
stay tight and see if we can get him to
hold it at times right to buy some time for
the pass rush. I think that that plays into it.
Then the ability when you're when you're going against offenses
like that, to make sure we get our hands up right.
There's opportunities there for for tip passes. We had a couple,
but tip passes that hopefully get get bounced up in
(09:45):
the air and we can find ways to turn the
ball over that way.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And my last one was just as you flip it
forward here. I know you have no time to go
for one game to the other, right, but when you
see the Eagles are kind of like their receivers are
kind of chirping, they're not getting the ball much, is
that something that is in the back of your mind
that like they might try to force feed these guys
as we get towards Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think they have a
good idea who they are and all the different playmakers.
They got a lot of players they got to distribute
to on that side of the ball. I think that's
just one thing for us. We got to make sure
we do a good job. Obviously with the run game,
continue what we did last last night for the most part,
(10:28):
or yesterday for the most part.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I think it starts there.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Obviously with Saquan, he's going to be juiced up ready
to go Thursday night here, So it starts there, and
then we got to make sure we do a good
job handling these playmakers on the perimeter. And they're going
to find ways to get them the ball they always do.
They're going to manufacture it how they need to. But
first and foremost, we got to be good on hopefully
(10:53):
these first and second downs and create some more third
and longs. That's that's where yesterday I felt like we
we kind of let them off the hook a little bit.
We lived in third and three I think seven snaps
of third and three or less, and it gets hard.
So we got to make sure we do a good
job with all those guys on that side of the
ball on first, second down.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thank you, Shane.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yep, last one at Valentine and you're talking a little
bit about first and second down.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
The run stats yesterday were a lot better. I think
the Saints average list in three yards per Carrie, did
you feel like you made some progress there and in
the run defense and you're so wide?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, absolutely. I was pleased with how our guys played
the run. I know there were a couple of loose
ones there. I think we missed a few tackles that
we would like to have back on some of those
as well. But overall, I thought we played physical. I
thought the guys were trying to change the math in
terms of not just giving themselves up, trying to take
(11:58):
on two times and.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Really just building the wall up front.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
The edge guys were firm, So overall, I do I
feel like it's it improved yesterday, and it's another tall
task this week, like we're gonna have to be ready
to go and it's going to take the same type
of effort for us to slow them down.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.