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John Schmeelk, Tiki Barber and Bob Papa break down the Giants' Week 7 loss to the Denver Broncos on Giants Extra Point.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well we got one beat.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Just a few weeks later, the New York Giants figure
out a way to lose to the Denver Broncos thirty
three to thirty two, despite leading twenty six to eight.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
With about ten minutes to go in this ballgame.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
And I'm gonna lead off here, Tiki Tiki, Barbara John
Schmalk with you on Giants extra Point, a team loss.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Here.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You can talk about the Jackson Dart interception. You can
talk about the decision to pass in that situation. You
can talk about the five the four consecutive touchdown drives
allied by the defense then combined with the fifth scoring
drive on the game winning field goal. You could talk
about the two missed extra points from Jude mckatomney, and

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there you have it, every aspect and facet of a
football game. Failing the Giants in the fourth quarter of
this game, yeah, this is may loose to the Broncos
thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
This is an offensive, defensive, and special team failure and
although in for good measure, a coaching failure for this team.
And it's why you lose on the road to the
Denver Broncos in a game that you controlled from the
very beginning until just under two minutes to go when
you gave up the lead for the very first time.
There is really only one play, and we'll get to
all of it. There's only one play that sits in

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my crawl and makes me scream and yell at the
top of my lungs. And I don't do that regularly. John,
you know this.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm a composed conservative. I've never seen you. This is talking.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I talk through the issues that I see. But as
I was always told, call.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It like you see it.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
So, with five minutes and thirteen seconds to go in
this game, bo Nick scrambles for a touchdown, making it
twenty six to sixteen. The Giants have a ten point lead.
Read that as two possession leads. There's about just under
five minutes left to go when they get the football,
and the Denver Broncos have three timeouts remaining. The only thing,

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the only thing you have to do on that drive
is get them to use all three of your timeouts
and not turn the football over. And so on first down,
you run the ball as you're supposed to with Cam Scattaboo,
you get a couple of yards. On second down, you
run the ball with Cam Scattaboo, you get a few
more yards. So it's third and four or five or

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whatever it was. It doesn't even matter. And Sean Payton
has used two of those timeouts on that third down,
the only play that you call. And I don't know
if this is Mike Kofka trying to be cute. I
don't know if this is Brian Dable trying to be aggressive.
I don't know if this is Jackson Dart trying to.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Be a hero.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
The only thing you do on that play is run
the ball so that you force the Denver Broncos to
use a third time out. And me put my mither,
say why you give them a ball back. It gives
them a chance to go back and score. You had
possessions to play with, right, you had one possession to
play with. They're down by two possessions ten points. They

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have to possess the ball two times.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you make them call that last time out you
pumped in the ball, they have.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
To drive the length of the field.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
With four or so minutes left in the game, it's
going to use a significant portion of the clock.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Then you're gonna get the ball back, and then now
all you need is a first down unless you give
up a big play there.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, the way have they given up a big play
any point in the game at that point The answer
Broncos would have had to recover an onside kick to
win the game, exactly, correct.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
And immigrant and the and the and the likelihood of
that is so small that you take the risk.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
But the only thing this game was lost. And you
heard me scream.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It as soon as they decided to put the ball
in a rookie's hand. This is why I always distrust
rookies in moments, because they make stupid rookie decisions like
throwing the ball over the middle of the field and
assimulated Britz when the linebacker's actually dropping in the coverage
and you don't see him and you think you have
a big play but you don't. Again, I'm not even
blaming Jackson Dart. He is inexperienced, he is green. He

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doesn't know what the hell he's doing in some of
these moments. So this is not on him. This is
on the play call.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Period.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
The play call, the only thing you do is force
the Denver Broncos to use three timeouts, keep the clock running.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And punt the ball away. It's an inexcusable play call.
I don't understand it in any capacity. You don't need
to take a shot and be aggressive. Why because you're
up by ten points.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
You're not down. You're up by ten points. The first
down does nothing to you. I heard Bob say this
on the broadcast. This is the most important third down
in the game. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We had about four All you needed to do was
run the ball. It didn't matter. You could lose six yards.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I mean, hell, if you want Jackson Dart to pass
the ball, have them take a sack instead of throwing
an ill advised pass that play, and there was a
lot that happened after this obviously in a lot to
talk about throughout this game, but that specific play that
third and five when they decided to throw the ball
and put it in Jackson Dart's hands as opposed to
running it and running clock and doing the old school

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way of winning football field position, time of possession.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's how you win games. And the Giants.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Coaching players executed this thing to the worst degree possible
and gave another win away. This is not the same
as the Saints game, but the Saints game they gave
a game away. This Denver Broncos game, they gave it away.
And it's and it's maddening. It's absolutely maddening. They played
as good a football as you could have wanted them

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to play on the road in a very hostile environment
against a good defensive coordinator, and they gave it away.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's it's oh, it just it kills you. Because this
team has a chance to not be great.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
They're not going to the playoffs, but they have a
good chance to beat any team on any given Sunday
unless they do stupid stuff like they just did.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And we'll talk about a bunch of the other plays
that happened after that sequence. Tiki just talked about when
we return, we'll hit from Brian Dable to the podium,
that and a whole lot more when we return, the
Giants fall to the Broncos thirty three to thirty two.

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Speaker 1 (06:27):
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Speaker 5 (06:39):
Must look at.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
Made one more play than we did. A lot of
plays that could have changed the outcome of that game,
not just one, No.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Four already you gotta.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
The third.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yeah, they made some plays, give 'em credit.

Speaker 8 (07:11):
So how much do you think you're eating, especially defensively,
those kinds of suspect today.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Yeah, sixty minute game, so.

Speaker 9 (07:23):
You know it was.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
It's not one play, it's not one position, it's not
offensive defense. It's collectively so.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
SI yup.

Speaker 10 (07:37):
Kind of it's very similarly similar kind of Dallas.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Yeah you want more aggressively, Yeah, well we we played man.
Uh with two double robbers sitting right there in the
middle part of the field. Different than what we did
at Dallas. Uh was man and man with two robbers
and they hit and in cut and then they they
hit the they go over there on the left hand side.

Speaker 8 (08:01):
You were seeing they should be yelling and change directions
at the end there.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, no nothing.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
Uh we lost the game.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
That was upsetting specific.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Uh no, we lost the game. Got a max protection.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Look, number of guys in protection and it made a
nice play.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like that.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, just that.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah, tough loss.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Put their heart and stole into it.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
So not a lot of talking that needs to be
done when you lose a game like that.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Everybody gave everything, they had.

Speaker 10 (08:59):
Nothing.

Speaker 6 (09:09):
Yeah, it's tough to lose any game, but certainly this
was tough one. Well one of them, I think. Uh
the first one was the snap operation with it and
then he missed the last one.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
What did you do Jackson?

Speaker 11 (09:33):
Play overall in this you know, in this.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Kind of environment?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, we competitive competitive, guy, but just we didn't we
didn't make enough place. Well I got pressured and guy
made a good play.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
How much did you.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Yeah, we won't make an excuse that everybody has injuries. Yeah,
we just lost a tough game. Guys gave everything they have.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, it's a tough way to lose.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Yeah, we ran I mean we ran some plays we
thought were good plays, some plays that we ran earlier.
You know, we just didn't We didn't do enough to
convert on some third downs. Look, it's not one play.
It's it's not one side of the ball.

Speaker 12 (10:40):
It's that's collective.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Trus Yeah, everybody that's out there, we trust m Yeah,
we'll evaluate everything again, just come down to one play.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
There was a number of them.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Thanks guys, A very abbreviated Brian Dable there as press
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Speaker 2 (11:24):
Howth keep getting better? Tike.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Obviously a lot of disappointment there from Brian, and of
course they're disappointed.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
How can you not be despondent after having a game
in hand essentially and really just needing one or two
more possessions to go your way and you give it away,
you know, And I'll go back to this moment because
I hear people talking about this. They want to blame individuals,
They want to blame uh mcconminy, They want to blame

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Joe Shane for not having the kicker, the right kicker
on this team. They want to blame a rookie in
Jackson Dart. They want to blame a defensive coordinator who
is playing quote unquote prevent defense, which always, as we know,
prevent you from winning. They want to blame Deontay Banks, which.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Was, by the way, apparently was not prevent defense exactly
the exactly This.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Comes down to decisions that you make in real time.
And if your mind as a as a decision maker
cannot be calm in these critical moments, you can't.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Do this job. You just can't.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
And I know we get into these advanced conversations about
analytics and timing and you know, going forward on certain
situations and when you should throw, when you should pass.
This was very simple. You have a rookie quarterback. The
last thing you need to do is put pressure on him.
And so when you have a ten point lead, a
two possession lead, what you do is force the other

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team to use all of their timeouts, punt for field position,
and make them use the clock that's remaining to get
back and score one for on one of those possessions.
Then they have to kick or an onside kick. Instead,
what you do is you put a rookie in position
to try to be a hero, and he makes a bad, horrible,

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game changing mistake. So instead of using two and a
half minutes to drive the field, because Denver had not
been doing much offensively, two and a half minutes or
three minutes to drive down the field and get points, they.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Scored in fifty six second. That's the problem.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And so as soon as the Giants now have the
ball and they're only up three points, the pressure is
now on the rookie, right, It's not on the Denver
Broncos anymore. And as you and I were talking about,
you know, as we were watching this, this is when
Vance Joseph gets Medieval on your ass defensively. This is
when he forces you to make mistakes. This is when
he puts you in a desperate mode to try to

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be competent. And let's be real, once they lose the lead,
the only reason that the Giants got back into this
it wasn't because of precision accuracy, it wasn't because of.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Great play calling. It was because the Denver Bronx had
a pass interference at the goal line. Now, I will
give him credit on the past to wandel on the
fourth and nineteen.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
That was a nice play by dartste was that one
was good and it was a good delivery and it
was good catch, and it is what it is. But
this game was lost when they didn't run it on
third and five on their third.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
To last possession. To me, that was the biggest decision
of this game. All right, let's take another timeout. We'll
come back.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm not sure if we're getting ayone's at the podium,
but we're gonna have a bunch of player sound from
the locker room as well.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Again, so much to dissect here.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
A thirty three to thirty two loss to the Bronco
to the Broncos by the Giants. Giants fall to two
and five, Broncos now five and two. We talked about
that sequence. We'll talk about the defense now in the
next couple of possessions, whatever defense we did see out there,
and we'll eventually get to the rest of the parts
of this game, including the kicking situation. Moving forward, Giants

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loose to the Broncos thirty three to thirty two in
Denver timeout. We'll come right back talk about the rest
of the game.

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Speaker 2 (15:07):
To go on the wall.

Speaker 13 (15:08):
Forty seconds to go. Giants trail by four. Scatter the jailback.
Now they motion everybody out empty set for dark dark puffs.
His right leg takes the snap. He's gonna run with
it and he dives ahead. He break the plane belt
short inside the walk.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
He says, touchdown.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Everything is reviewable. We're gonna look at it again. Was
he on a body? He reached out, it's a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's a touchdown, and upon further review, it was, in
fact rule the touchdown. And we're gonna call that the
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Now not the most aesthetically pleasing drive, but certainly a
very important one at the time. Seven plays, sixty five
yards for the touchdown, yes, at the thirty seven second
mark that gave the Giants a thirty two to thirty lead,
with Jude mctomney setting up for the extra point to
give the Giants a three point lead, and he proceeded

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to miss that extra point.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
It was a second missed extra point of the game.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
The Giants give the ball back to the Broncos and
in just four plays they go fifty one yards. The
big plays on that drive was a twenty nine yard
catch by Marvin Mims Junior over the middle. According to
Brian Dable, they were in basically, he didn't call it
two men. He called the man with two robbers. I'm
not sure if there's a distinction or a difference there.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
If it's two men, philopes are supposed to be underneath
that coverage. Again, Tiki, I will let you break that down.
Then you had the twenty two yard by Sun after
that over Banks, and then let's kick the.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Game when you feel well. It was the form of
that was not was not good part.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And if it was two man, then Deontay Banks has
got to carry his receiver no matter where he goes,
no matter where he goes. But the challenge becomes when
you play robber. What robbers are or safeties that are
lurking in the middle of the field trying to take
away anything that's coming over the middle of the field.
But what I think happened on that play is that

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Deontay Banks who was in man coverage on Marvin Mims.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, that was Phillips on Mims on that play, I
understand that.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
But whoever was covering, yeah, I felt like Banks was
hanging and hanging hanging there under the under the whatever
I look at it on the altar. It doesn't matter
whoever is in that man for that in breaking route,
because there's two routes essentially in the same area. One
is underneath the other one. But whoever is on that
deeper in breaking route falls off of it because he

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sees the robber sitting there. And so because he falls
off of that, the play because of the robber, Marvin
Mims doesn't as no one. There's no one defending him
essentially when the ball arrives.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And so again it's not a.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Bad coverage, it's just it puts you in a position
to have to make a judgment decision as a defender,
and you give up a huge play, picks up almost
half of what they needed in order to get more
than half of what they needed to get in the
field goal range, and then you give up another jump
ball down the sideline. I know that Drew Phillips was
credited with the tackle, but it was Deontay Banks who

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did not make the play on the ball. And again
it's a mismatch for him. It's Courtland Sutton who's six
foot four and can sky over top of him and
come down with a big play on the twenty something
yard line. You almost would wish you'd catch that ball,
let him run for a second and then tackle them
and maybe they don't get down to spike it and
then kick the field goal that ultimately won the game.

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So again, we could talk about every little thing in
this game, and especially in the last you know, three
or four possessions, but this was just a prime example
of a team loss. Everyone took their part offensive play calling,
the defense, and obviously special teams as well, because you
didn't give your chance to get into extra time and
go into overtime, no.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Question about it.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Just a really tough go for the Giants at the
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fall to the Broncos thirty three to thirty two.

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Speaker 1 (19:45):
All right, we're back here on Giants Extra Point. The
Giants fall to the Denver Broncos thirty three to thirty two.
And Tiky, we were just looking at that play to
Mims over the middle, and it's kind of a designer
coverage because you're dropping so many guys back. In fact,
let me look again, I'm trying to see how many
guys the Giants even rushed on that.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But was that a three man rush on that play?
But I believe it rush.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
A bunch of guys, were a bunch of guys in
coverage spying nicks, I think in that play exactly right,
Tyler Newban is the one of the hole defenders, one
of the robbers that Dave's was alluding to.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
And as I look at it, he's got to get deeper.
He's just got to get in the way of both
of those converging routes. Drew Phillips, who was on MEMS,
I thought it was Deontay Banks. It's actually Drew Phillips
is just beat by the pass right. It's just it's
a good throw and a and then just a bending
go route. It's just a weird kind of route.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
It's almost like a seam almost, and it's a scene.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
But he falls into it because it curves into a
little bit, and Drew Phillips is just beat by the route.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean, honestly, as.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I rewatched that, you just have to give credits Sean
Payton and bo Nicks for drawing up something that they
didn't do all day long, which is balls over the
middle of the field down the seams. They didn't do
that at all, and so you get caught by it
and you dial it up at the perfect time to
get a big play.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
And then we got to jump ball here as well.
And again I think that's just a single high situation here.
As they try to they get the isolation, they motion
to two wide receivers to the same side. It's man
on man, flat is on Franklin Banks is on Sutton
just a little fade, are out with a single high
safety and they get it.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Deontay Banks gets a little bit rubbed by Franklin, who
is They do a cross at the release point, and
so Banks is now all of a sudden in a
trail position. And when you're up against the bigger wide
receiver and you're in man coverage in a trail position,
you're at the mercy of the throw. And so this
is another good throw, two good throws in a row.
By the way, after not doing much of anything, Bo

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Nicks for most of the game, puts it up high.
We're only Courtland Suttlan can get it because he's the
only one that's looking at it. Deontay Banks is in
a trail position, makes a huge, huge play at the
twenty one yard line, gets down, they get up, and
they spike the ball with two seconds left and set
themselves up for the game winning field.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Goal and take he Here's the dichotomy here on the
defense on the Broncos first eight drives of this game,
the only game more than twenty one yards once and
in that possession right the Giants hold up in the
red zone prevent them from getting in for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
The Giants shut down the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
They give up zero points in the first half, first
time since they did it to the Eagles in a
game last year. And in fact, I shouldn't even say
half Eagles had zero points through three quarters of this game.
You mean the brocosh the Broncos, sorry, zero points through
three quarters of this game. They scored every one of
their points in the fourth quarter when things fell apart
for the defense. And we're obviously gonna have to go
back and rewatch it on the old twenty two to

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see if any of the strategy changed or anything like that.
But eight plays seventy eight yards, thirteen plays seventy four
yards for touchdowns, then you had the interception, four plays
fourteen yards in the touchdown, six plays sixty eight yards
and a touchdown That one was fifty one second drive.
Then you had the thirty seven second yard drive, you
had or plays fifty six yards for the field goal.

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So the problem, tiky not just that they scored every possession.
They scored quickly, Yeah, a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
And what's troubling about that is how well the defense
played for most of this game.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
It was punt and punt and punt. Then they had
a turnover on downs. Then then they had the half
and they had another punt. I mean, it just felt
like the defense was was dialed in and ready to play.
Part of that, I honestly was blaming on Sean Payton's
play calling. I thought he was having a very poor
day in trying to figure out what was gonna work
against this Giants defense. And eventually, when things got desperate,

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the Benver Broncos played at a higher level than the
Giants defense. Like Paydon let bon Nicks play for the
first time long game. I mean again, one of the
things that I worried about is you think about playing
in Denver is the fatigue factor.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
It just comes to get you at some point. And
because at the.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
End of this game, the Giants defense was on the
field for so many time plays a row and so
many big plays, it I think fatigue caught up with them.
There was a there was a point, you know, late
in the fourth quarter or middle of the fourth quarter
where uh Banks goes out of this game, and you know,
Edgar thought it was his foot he was injured.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I said, I think he's just tired.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I think he's just fatigued, and he was back on
the short right, so he's rushing the hell out of
the passer.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
He's getting up there. You know, two sacks he had
in this game. He had a couple of passes defended,
knocking down at the line of scrimmage. He was working
his butt off and you just get tired. Which you
needed to have was an offensive drive, a sustained offensive
drive four or five minutes, and the Giants didn't have
one and ultimately came back to bite him.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, and you know, you talked about the Broncos long drives.
The Giants, on the other hand, their third to last
drive three plays, five yards, interceptions, The drive after that
three plays, two yards, punt yep. And then you had
that seven play sixty five yard drive that went for
the touchdown that you hope was a game winning touchdown
but it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
And then Tiki. There were other small plays in here too.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
You had a couple the lay of game penalties, for example,
three of them right, three of them by the Giants.
Now again some of these they ended up converting on
these plays anyway, but you would that you would the
cave on Thibodeau at what point we thought was a
pivotal you know issue was I think it was an
off sides right, you would the burns off side that
we thought it put the Broncos in field goal range
on that final drive before you had to jump ball,

(25:20):
which got to even closer. So again, some of these
penalties maybe did not you know, end up having a
huge impact on the game.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
But again, just enough bad mistakes and sloppy plays that
added up to this.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Mistakes are okay, football is a long game, at sixty
minute game where things are some things are gonna go well,
some things are gonna go bad, but and mistakes are
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Sure most of them don't.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Really hurt you that badly, but when you make mistakes
at the wrong times, right, when you make mistakes at
critical moments in games, that's when it comes back to
hurt you. And I think the thing, the one thing
that this giant team is learning and hasn't figured out yet,
this current iteration. I'm not talking about you know, the

(26:05):
twenty three or four teams or anything else. I'm talking
about this current team hasn't learned how to finish games.
They haven't learned how to take advantage of your moment.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I don't care what player we're talking about, but
it's your moment.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's mcdonminy. When you have to kick an extra point,
the most routine thing you will ever do as an
NFL player, and for his specific position is to make
extra points. You can't miss them. I don't see him
being on this team much longer. You've missed two in
this game that lost you this game, and you've missed
one prior. Young waikhu is on the practice.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So when you can't do.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
The basic things in your moment, you can't you can't
be on the team. And so I think the Giants
took turns in every facet of not taking advantage of
your moment.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
The one thing that I remember back in twenty.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Twenty two, and again this is retrospective, has nothing to
do with anything, but in twenty twenty two, the Giant,
the dable led Giants, had a ton of one score games.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Oh they won almost all there. They think nine and
three in one score game, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I think they had the best one score other than
the Minnesota Vikings in football that year. The Vikings I
think were undefeated. They are correct in one score games,
the Giants were nine and two or nine and three,
whatever whatever it may have been, and then they beat
the Vikings in a one score game in the playoffs.
So but in that year, guys would have their moment.
It was Xavier McKinney, whether it was Saquon, whether it

(27:31):
was Daniel Jones had that big strip, exact Ravens. There
was your moment to make the play, and they always
did it. And that's how you win tight one score games.
Most games in the NFL, as crazy as it sounds, are,
are one score games. And this Giant team hasn't figured
out how to do that, and that's why they're losing
games that they shouldn't. And I know this is, oh

(27:53):
who cares. We got the future, We got our future quarterback.
That's fun, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
But you gotta make the main thing the main thing,
and that's winning. Winning is what is really the only
thing that matters.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
And I know development and looking forward to the future
is fun, but nobody gives a crap about September of
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Not the guys in the locker, of course not.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
And so I don't I don't, I don't want to
hear that right. I want to hear that what I
did today helped us win a game.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Frustrating Jackson.

Speaker 15 (28:22):
I'm trying to put it all together. We had chances
to win the game, didn't do it. It's frustrating.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
What happened.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
My feet got a little stuck in the ground.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
I'd be way better than that.

Speaker 16 (28:51):
I mean, that's that's it. It's unacceptable. Yeah, I gotta
be better.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Mm hm, well we have.

Speaker 16 (29:15):
I never felt like we were gonna lose the game, so,
you know, I looked at the clock when they scored,
I said.

Speaker 15 (29:22):
And we got a lot of time left, and uh jeez,
I had a I had no doubt that we were
gonna go down there and score. Yeah, I've I've had
some tough ones. I just can't stand losing. So the

(29:49):
loss hurts me the same every time I take one.
You know, Yeah, absolutely, I can't do that.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
You know, it's we were in full control of the
game in that situation.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
You can't do that.

Speaker 15 (30:08):
So that was an unacceptable mistake by me, an unacceptable mistake.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
As a competitor.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
How do you get back?

Speaker 11 (30:21):
How that's right?

Speaker 15 (30:27):
Now? Yeah, I mean we were played in six days,
so you can't let one lostly to another. You gotta
fix the things that you messed up on, and we
gotta finish games. I mean, that's we have to be
able to finish the game. So we have good leaders
on the team, we have good players. We have to

(30:49):
find ways to finish the game and uh and bounce back.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Well.

Speaker 15 (31:01):
Coming into the game, I knew that they were top
two defense in the entire league, so I knew that
it wasn't gonna just be easy going out there. They
do a lot of really good things and they've given
a lot of people a lot of hits. And you know,

(31:21):
looking back when I try to reflect on the game,
there's probably a few things we were just like, yeah,
like I wish, you know, I would have made this
decision or this decision, But I mean we had chances.

Speaker 16 (31:31):
We just we didn't finish the game. Yeah, it just sucks.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 16 (31:45):
Like I said, I hate I hate losing. So it's
just like just a bad feeling.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean I haven't really thought of that.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
To be honest.

Speaker 16 (32:04):
It's just a loss that shouldn't have happened by us.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Thanks all right, appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
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Speaker 2 (32:21):
Let's take a quick time out. We'll come back.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
We will hear for more players in the locker room,
and we'll dive a little bit deeper into Jackson Dark's
performance night. We haven't talked about that yet on Giants
Extra Point. The Giants with just a heartbreaking, brutal, tough
thirty three to thirty two loss to the Denver Broncos,
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Speaker 2 (32:59):
Two. Tight end to the white play fake Dark back
to throw looking for a deep ball. He had somebody
to deep.

Speaker 17 (33:06):
Now he crows it downfield quite open Felager for the
touchdown forty four yards. He had a deep early, avoided
some pressure and Grellinger.

Speaker 18 (33:20):
Was like, hey, I'm still open. Dark calls out signals
third and seventeen. They bring pressure up the middle. Dark's
back fires.

Speaker 17 (33:32):
It over the middle and it's caught off a deflection
theo Johnson's got a twenty ten five to the goal line.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Is he in yet?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
No single touchdown? Giants.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
By the way, great call by Bob Papa. He is
at play on the deflestion. The theo Johnson was pure chaos.
The fact that he nailed that excellent. Excellent job, Bob Papa.
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Speaker 2 (33:57):
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Ford truck or reciv Ford official truck SUV of the
New York Giants. We are going to talk about Jackson Dart,
I promise you that. But I'm sure the bus is
about to pull out and he wants to be on it.
So I'm gonna go quickly to Pauldatino, who's joining us
in Denver outside Empower Field at Mile High. He's just
been in the locker room. We're gonna play some of
that sound for you shortly. Paul Datino. Wow, what was

(34:19):
it like being there for that? And what was the
locker room like after that?

Speaker 19 (34:24):
It's a really numb feeling.

Speaker 20 (34:26):
John.

Speaker 19 (34:26):
I'm not gonna lie. Dexter Lawrence wrapped up real simple
and he said this one hurts hurts even more than
the Dallas game. The Giants understood that in context, this
was a situation that would have had them win three
out of four, gotten him to within a game of
five hundred, knowing that the Eagles were going to be
next up, you know in the following week. The Giants

(34:50):
really have a chance today to make themselves very, very relevant,
and they let this one get away. Just like the
Dallas game, some degree, a lot of similarities. I mean,
given up five consecutive scoring drives in the fourth quarter.
It's unbelievable. It makes you incredulous. The locker room was

(35:10):
incredibly quiet. Guys who just the number I didn't sense
any emotion. It was more numb. And I will say this,
nobody made excuses. They all said, look, we knew what
defenses were called. We executed for three quarters. Everything was
going away it was supposed to do. And then the
Broncos just started to make a bunch of plays and

(35:33):
they got the momentum, and no one could explain why
the Giants defense suddenly wasn't able to lock them down.
The guys were pretty much in the loss for words.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, I can imagine that, and you know, it's it's
hard because you know that this team can play with anybody.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
They can.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I'm saying they're beating everybody, the best teams, and I
don't even know if Denver, even though they're sitting at
five and two right now, or one of the quote
unquote best teams in the NFL right now, you know
there are no great teams in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I think you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Even the top ones have had struggles, even though Kansas
City seems to be getting their stuff right right, I
agree with that. But even still, you know you can
play with any of the top teams because you've already
done it, whether that be the Chargers, whether that be
the Eagles. You were just talking about the Denvers with
the number one or number two.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Defense in football. You played with them and put points
on them, and you did well. You were dominating them
twenty six to eight.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yes, but finishing games is so important and making the
right decisions to finish those games is what is I
think paramount for this team to continue to grow on
and do on a weekend and week out basis.

Speaker 19 (36:40):
It's not an excuse, but a number of guys were
asked about the altitude and fatigue setting in. Nobody wanted to.

Speaker 20 (36:49):
Use that as an excuse.

Speaker 19 (36:51):
Let me make that very clear to everybody out there.
I don't want you to think there's an alibi. But
as not So said in the locker room, he's like,
you know what, you gotta make the plays. We have
enough shuts here, We have enough for backups guys who
are capable. So even if you're tapping out, even if
you've got to rotate guys in, that means those guys

(37:13):
have to go in and make the plays. So there's
no alibi. There's no excuse they didn't know enough. It's
just that simple. But I do think that clearly. You know,
we talked about how the oxygen takes are on the
sideline and guys have to take it. And if you
are going through extended drives and you're getting emotional and

(37:35):
it's a tight game and momentums going the other way, yeah,
it does become extremely difficult to get your wing back
and to play your PA deficiency. But again, no excuse,
no alibi. The Giants came back and topped the lead,
and in the final thirty seconds they'll bull it again.

(37:56):
There's no lesson out.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And again it's the second time. We've seen that this
year too with the game against Dallas. Two questions for you,
Paul any word on a debo and Holland and their injuries.
And then also we're gonna play Jude Micketmney in the
locker room in a little bit. Just that's always a
tough spot the kicker. He's sitting there, he's by himself.
How did that whole thing go downstairs? Go go on downstairs?

Speaker 19 (38:17):
After the game, Jude took all the blame for it.
Daves had said there was an operation issue on one
of the miskicks, but Jude said, look, I don't care
if the snap is a little off. I don't care
if the holes a little bit off. I'm a professional kicker.
It's my job to make the kick. He said he
thought that his last point after get it, well, he's like,

(38:40):
I felt it was good. I look up and then
I see it's wide.

Speaker 20 (38:43):
Right.

Speaker 19 (38:44):
He just the early one, he said, he just missed it.
So he was not looking for any excuses either.

Speaker 20 (38:50):
He stood up and he took it.

Speaker 19 (38:52):
And I give him a lot of credit for that.
Just he's had a lot of trouble now with these dads.
This has become a little bit of a habit.

Speaker 20 (38:59):
As far as I'm sorry, John, you you.

Speaker 19 (39:01):
Asked a different questions. Yeah, a DEEPO was in a
lot room getting dressed after the game. I did not
have the opportunity to talk to him because he had
just come out from in the back with the trainers.
But he was getting dressed on his own power. He
did not look like he needed any assistance, so I'd
say that's a decent sign. Of course, Holland did talk

(39:24):
to us. He said he had a sprain and he
was probably going after undergo some more testing tomorrow morning.
But again he got dressed under his own part and
did not appear to be in any serious discomfort as
he talked to the media.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
See you got anything else for Paul? Now we're good.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, thank you, Paul, appreciate you. You know, when you
talk about the missed extra points, both of those snaps.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Were slightly off, a little bit low, So the handling
is different.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I've never been a kicker in my life.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I've watched obviously a lot of football, and sometimes when
those snaps are off like that, at you as the kicker.
And this is hard for jud because he's this is
only his first year doing this, yea, right, he was
on the practice squad to start this season. You have
to slow yourself down a tick so that you give
your holder a chance to get that ball exactly right otherwise,
because if it's leaning one way or another, that's going

(40:17):
to affect where the ball goes after it leaves your foot.
So part of this is on the snap, and I
know that Dave's was alluding to that, but it's also
that once the timing gets messed up, as.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
A experienced kicker, which Jude is not, you learn how
to correct for it. And he's not there yet, all right,
And let's hear from Judi mcatomney. He did talk to
the media in the locker room hatch to the game.
Let's cheer what Jude had to say about his two
mixed missed pats.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Pointed times today.

Speaker 21 (40:45):
I'm not going to shy away from that look. The
stop and hold is good, it's just my was mine
like execution on.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
The kick, so.

Speaker 21 (40:53):
Something I'm not going to shy away from my mistakes
and let our team.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Was there anything with the term when you plant.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Flair or anything?

Speaker 11 (40:59):
All the look had a great week of practice.

Speaker 21 (41:02):
We practiced some grass, you know, a great normals, just
one of those things gonna make the kekes once the
oppercentage that comes, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
So yeah, je I'm sory if yours is already Just
what on on the final pat?

Speaker 5 (41:15):
What what happened on it? Was?

Speaker 6 (41:16):
It?

Speaker 21 (41:16):
Just honestly, I when it came off the foot, I
thought it was good, you know, one for it looked
up and was wide right.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
You know.

Speaker 21 (41:23):
I was his shots as everyone else, you know, So
I stuffed no process one for kicked down the target
and pushed it right.

Speaker 12 (41:30):
So that's only.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
A right how thought the first one?

Speaker 21 (41:37):
The first one, next, first one's own music.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
Yeah, gotta gonna make the kecks. I'm gonna shy away.

Speaker 21 (41:44):
From that, but I'll take fol responsible, you know, and
everybody in cheenagers I go to make the kekesmes comes up.

Speaker 16 (41:51):
That's the symbols Brian.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Brian did say the opperation wasn't great on more and
that kind of responsible for it.

Speaker 21 (41:58):
Yeah, but suppose he even with that, I s should
be able to get guys out of the whole, you know,
like if the snop's all perfect, the hole's no perfect.
Like I'm a professional kicker, you know, go to be
able to make those like poles guys out of old one.

Speaker 7 (42:12):
I need to you know, so.

Speaker 21 (42:16):
Kids, he said, he stomps on him, But like, look
the balls down the lisses were good. You know, I
just got him make to play.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
And he did it on those two particular extra points, Tiki,
and look, you know, neither one of us is gonna
start breaking down, kicking mechanics or anything like that. But
I'll say, is this when you're a team that has
struggled to win games over the past two and a
half years and you're playing in a lot of close games, which,
by the way, every NFL teams plays in a lot
of close that's just the nature of the league.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
They're more close than they're not. That is correct.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
The Giants have had too many situations over the last
two seasons where they have lost games because.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Balls have not found their way through the upright.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, that's exactly right, And it gets frustrating when it
comes back to bite you in a game like this one.
I mean, it feels because it feels like the Giants
dominated so much of this game, and it wasn't huge leads,
but going into the fourth quarter it was nineteen nothing,
nineteen to nothing, in the fourth quarter, and obviously that

(43:15):
drive started in the third quarter. It did the Denver
Broncos scored on to make it nineteen to eight, but
the Giants gave up thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
and it almost it's almost improbable and impossible. I've never
don't because you don't have enough possessions to do it.
And the only way that it happens is if you

(43:37):
self implode. And even despite that, if the Giants just
take care of their business and again, dude making extra points,
Jackson Dart not throwing interceptions, it almost doesn't matter because
you played so well for you know, three quarters of
this game that it was almost lost proof. And the

(43:58):
way that this thing plays out, as Paul was talking
about the locker room, it makes you sick because I
know it's just a win and a loss.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Uh, And there's there's there's there's more football to be played.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But at two and five, you start to inch yourself
closer to irrelevancy. And and we talk about people's jobs,
I'm talking about players.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Coaches you used to have.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
My coaches used to tell me all the time when
we were going through particularly bad streaks, they should put
signs outside the stadium saying hiring all positions and even
if you have development happening, but you're losing, that's what's
going to happen. People are going to get evaluated by
the wsn LS, not by oh this guy played well.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
They just messed it up in the right in the
wrong moment. When you're in school, your grades are the
ones that can right.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It doesn't matter how hard you work. It doesn't matter
how much your your your homework looks like. It doesn't
matter how much the the the regular tests and during
the during the during the week, or during the months
leading up to the final matter. It matters what you
do in the final.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
No question.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
All right, I'm gonna give you a stat here. Tek
you talk about how improbable this was. This I'm grabbing
this off with Ralphaciano's Twitter account. I'm assuming he's getting
this correct off the NFL and CBS television broadcast. There
had been sixteen hundred and two consecutive wins by NFL
teams who were leading by eighteen points with six minutes
to go, Like the Giants were in deavor that streak

(45:24):
and died two day.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, and again, this is why that third and five
and I started, We started the post game with it,
and I go back to it. This is why the
third and five was such an in monumental mistake. Whether
it was the play call or the execution or both,
it really it was both because in that situation you
have to run the football. The reason is because football, ultimately,

(45:47):
just like every other sport, is a game of possessions.
Right Forget all the big plays and the miss extra
points and the you know, the touchdown, forget all of that.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Football is about sessions, and when you have the possession adds,
as the Giants did.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
You can't give it away. And they gave it away.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
By not going forward, not running on third and five,
and instead throwing a pass which would have been egregious enough.
It was incomplete because you stop the clock and you
allow the Denver Broncos to save a timeout, but to
then throw an interception and give them a short field
to score in fifty six seconds, It just it flipped
every bit of momentum in the game.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And I think ultimately that's.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Where I get most frustrated, is because yes, they gave
up that touchdown to make it twenty four to eight
or twenty six to eight in the third and at
the beginning of the fourth quarter, actually the Giants scored
to make it twenty six to eight, and then all
of a sudden, it's twenty six to sixteen.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
But they still had control. And as soon as you
throw that interception, you give up the control that you
had the entire game. All right, let's take a time out.
We'll come back. We got more south from the locker
room with her, from the leader of the Giants defense,
Dexter Lawrence. We'll still break down with Jackson Dart did
in this game.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
That a whole lot more.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
As you continue on Giants extra point and Giants again
fall in heartbreaking fashion to the Broncos thirty three to
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2 (47:25):
Baseball.

Speaker 18 (47:26):
Down Signals takes the snap receiver screen for someting makes
the company's plaster on the two yard line.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
What a hit. Dave Belton came flying in there from
a safety spot.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
That's what Belton will do.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And Denver turns it over on down to the two
yard line.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Boy, there was a time today when Tik and I
we're gonna open up this postgame show and talk about
how great the Giants defense was. And that was one
of those plays, the one decent drive the Broncos had
in the first three quarters in this game that went
for six four yards. They got it down, they had
its seconding goal at the Giants two yard line.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
He talked about Jean Paynon's play call.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
He has to throw it three times, right, very considered,
very imprudent play calls, and.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
They get the fourth in goal at the two. They
throw a little screen pass to Courtland.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Sutton looks like he has a straight line for the
end zone and Dame Belton, like a bat out of Hell,
comes flying out of the secondary and just plasters.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
And massive context.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, and turnover on downs was a big one because
it kept them, It kept them far away from being
back in the game, the different Broncos. And you know,
hats off just briefly to Dame Belton because Javon Harland
goes down in this game, he tried to come back
briefly played I think a couple of snaps before he
was offentually ruled out for this game, but Dame Belton
made some plays down the stretch, including you know, another

(48:48):
third down tackle where he just swarmed the defense. They
tried to set up a pick screen. He came down
from the safety plays well, played really well and call
up it's your turn type of situation. So you know,
hats off to him, but it just it just wasn't
enough ultimately fully for the defense, who played great otherwise
for three quarters of this game.

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(49:31):
Tatino when he joined us mentioned Dexter Lawrence was rather
powerful in the locker rooms. I wanted to make sure
we got that in before we said goodbye to our
affiliates on our network. So here's Dexter Lawrence, one of
the Giants captains after the game and an.

Speaker 22 (49:43):
Individual and then you guys as a team process of
result like this, after we've dominated them for so much
in the games, you.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
Just can't have it in fourth quarter. I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I can say.

Speaker 11 (50:00):
They we didn't finish in the fourth fourth quarter?

Speaker 7 (50:03):
What changed that? What changed?

Speaker 11 (50:06):
I could tell you?

Speaker 5 (50:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (50:11):
I don't know. Same same people, same calls, same I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (50:16):
Did you kill.

Speaker 23 (50:18):
Yeah a little bit as that game went on due
to the altitude or anything of the.

Speaker 11 (50:22):
Natur I don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Sure.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
I can't speak for How do everybody else feel?

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Do you personate that?

Speaker 24 (50:28):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Not really?

Speaker 25 (50:30):
You know, feel like I got to save them mount snaps, mm.
Just gotta finish. Man, can't give up thirty three points
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 11 (50:40):
That's that's not good.

Speaker 26 (50:42):
Actually, after giving up thirty and them taking the lead,
you guys came down, you know, Jackson letter drive and
you guys went ahead. S what thirty five thirty six
seconds left? Thirty one thirty Yeah, after the kick off
thirty one you know that exactly the number they had
no timeouts. Did you think, Okay, this is our chance
to fine he finished this once in for all.

Speaker 25 (51:01):
I mean, yeah, we thought that earlier in the fourth.
They just caught some good passes. You can't make that up.
Got clock the ball with two seconds and that's what happened.

Speaker 11 (51:18):
You think, you think, one play and you win.

Speaker 26 (51:21):
You know, somebody gets a sack, somebody gets a deflection.

Speaker 20 (51:23):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
There.

Speaker 26 (51:24):
You made so many plays in this game, and you
it seems like you came one short.

Speaker 11 (51:28):
Uh, I can't say. I think it's more than just
one play.

Speaker 25 (51:36):
You know, it's it was I don't know how many
plays they have, but it's every play isn't impactful. You
never know which play is gonna be that play. So
you just gotta go go play hard and we gotta
win that one.

Speaker 8 (51:49):
Would you like as a defensive player there, I mean,
it's kind of similar to Dallas Dave said. It was
a different play called the first pass that they hit
to get kind of get in your field goal range.
Would you like to bring pressure in the kind of
situations as a defensive line on you would you like
to bring pressure you do with you know, rushing three
or four whatever the call is in that.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Regard, when where do you stand on that?

Speaker 12 (52:14):
MM?

Speaker 11 (52:15):
Leave that to the coaches.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
Thix.

Speaker 22 (52:18):
Was there a was there a point in the game
in the fourth quarter where you felt it spiraling?

Speaker 11 (52:22):
Not really.

Speaker 25 (52:26):
I always felt like we could get a stop whenever
we was on the field. They just made the plays
they needed to make.

Speaker 22 (52:32):
M I don't know, man, We've been in this spot
a few times where it's, uh, you know, we're asking
you about a improbable loss.

Speaker 16 (52:43):
I'm wondering if this one hurts any more? It feels
any different.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Because of what was at stake if you win, like
if you always say you're three and four, you've won
three out of four. Maybe trades, playoff, all that stuff.

Speaker 25 (52:54):
Yeah, this one, this one probably hurt Morgin the other losses, yeah,
the yeah, it because of this one hurt by This
one hurt.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Have you assimilated to Dallas?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Does it remind you that or.

Speaker 27 (53:07):
Do you look?

Speaker 11 (53:08):
Uh, it's two separate games. Yeah, this one hurt. This
one hurts.

Speaker 28 (53:15):
You give when Jordan asked you the question about for
the concert or a crush though it took a while pause,
there was a long pause there. Do you feel right
now defensively? You guys are being quit the best position
to have successful.

Speaker 25 (53:28):
Who was putting the best position all game? They just
made the place contested catchers? Uh, I mean y, you
saw what happened. Everything was contested.

Speaker 11 (53:41):
M Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 22 (53:44):
Texas saw you consoling there for for veterans like yourselves
who are leading and trying to get you guys open the.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
What is the pain like that that you feel after
this one hurt?

Speaker 11 (53:58):
This one hurt, It's hurt. I don't know how else
to put it.

Speaker 25 (54:06):
We gotta have it. We gotta have the big plays.
We gotta we gotta make the big plays, you know,
the moment plays, you know, the in the fourth quarter
when they mused the most and you know the game
is on the line.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
We gotta have those.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
That's Dexter Lawrence after the game and Tiki Well, I
want to get the Jackson Dartstone a little bit. But
first tell me as a leader, you were a guy
that your team looked to for leadership when you were here. Uh,
you get you're on that plane, are you going around,
you know, patting people on the shoulder, You're talking to him.
You just lot to sink in for the flight. Do
you then talk to him on Monday. How do you
go about that.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
This is probably a Monday thing.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
This is a long flight home, and guys are exhausted
because of playing in the altitude.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And I know they didn't use that as an excuse,
but I mean, it's it's real. It comes back and
it gets you.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
And it showed at least it looked like it was
an issue as this game went down the line. I
think you wait on this one because this is such
a emotional type of loss.

Speaker 27 (55:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You're you feel drained, you feel angry, you feel all
of these emotions that you that are they're important to have,
but you can't commiserate with them, if that makes sense.
You can't go around and be angry and disturbed and
mad about because the coach did this, or Shane Bowen
called this, or Dave did this, or Kafka did this

(55:25):
or this player did X, Y or Z. You kind
of need to chill and let it sink and let
it absorb into you and then come out with a
more rational, uh type of constructive criticism, because there's gonna
be criticism that's passed down when this team watches this tape,
especially this fourth quarter. They're gonna feel sick to their
stomachs because of how much of it, of this they

(55:46):
gave away, and they'll realize it.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
But they got to make They got to make good
out of it. And I don't think that happens right away.
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let's finally get to that Jackson Dark conversation. I've been
promising for about a half an hour now. Fifteen to
thirty three, two hundred and eighty three yards, three touchdowns,

(56:12):
a pick. He had those two completions for more than
forty yards that we played coming into our previous segment
to THEO Johnson on the deflection and then the blown
coverage to Daniel Bellinger earlier in the game. Didn't really
run much. We talked about this in the pregame. The
Broncos do not give up rushing yards. He just had
five carries for eleven yards in this game. Your thoughts

(56:32):
on Dark's performance. He got sacked four times over the
course of this contest.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Some good, some bad. He had some overthrows. Late your thoughts, Look,
this was this was a statistically confusing day. Be puse.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
You look at the the completion percentage, you're like, man,
he had a rough day. Then you look at the yards,
You're like, man, he had a good day.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And the touchdowns. Man, he had a really good day.
But I think for ninety.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Percent of this game, and that's mostly in the first
three plus quarter, Jackson Dart was exactly what you wanted
him to be.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
He was smart with the football.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
When he had opportunities to take shots, he took those shots,
something we haven't seen him do, the Daniel Belager one
being one. I think that THEO Johnson it was actually
a dig routere a crossing route going to Wandell Robinson.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
That he should have caught.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
He just he simply dropped and he dropped it and
tipped it into the air, which usually means interceptions. But
THEO Johnson was Johnny on the spot and picked the
thing off and went all the way, you know, in
for the touchdown, and so I.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Think he made.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
But my point was that was a good throw to
Wandell Robinson. It was the right throw and it was
right on time. Wandell just dropped it. It happened to
fetuitously work out in their favor. And so you look
at what he what he did when he had to
make those those big throws, he made them, including the
fourth down in nineteen that he was able to pick up.
And then they got the unsportsman like penalty on sportsman

(57:52):
like conduct penalty on roughing the passer.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
And so I think.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Jackson Dart is growing each and every game. And I
feel like after that Saints game, there were so many
mistakes that could point to the youth of this team,
meaning Cam's Gataboo and Jackson Dart and the interceptions and
the fumbles and all that stuff, and it was like, man,
he'll learn his lesson from that. And then we saw
him like in the next week against the Eagles, was

(58:17):
he was dead on. You didn't have to worry about it.
And you in your mind, you're like, Okay, he's cured
of that. He's watched those rookie, dumb rookie mistakes out
and it's not gonna happen again.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
But the reality is it's just still only his fourth
game starting. He's still a rookie. He's still going to.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Make bad decisions because he doesn't know yet what his
limitations or or or is. You know where his realm is,
right where he should stay inside of And in that
situation where he was tangled up a little bit, the
pressure was coming from Vance Joseph, at least it felt
like there was pressure. And he throws that interception. It's

(58:54):
just like you just want him to take the sack. Yeah,
take the sack in that moment. Don't try to make
a play out of nothing. And I know because all
my friends are saying, he's earned the right, he's earned
the trust to make that play.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
But the problem, oh you said about any quarterback, The
problem is it's the wrong play rights.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
He shouldn't have been put in that position to try
to be a hero in that moment. And that's what
bothers me most.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
And you would say that to a veteran quarterback too.
You just just take it back. I don't care if
it's keep the clock run, I don't care if that's
Peyton Manning.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
No, if Peyton Manning is in that moment and you're
up by ten points with then they need with four
minutes to go and they have to use their last
time out and play the field position game.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You make the right play. Jackson doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
That yet, correct And then look, if they put the
ball in your hands, you just cannot you can do
anything on that possession.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
You just cannot turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Again, Giants probably win the game, I think to me,
and I've tried to be calm a little bit. You know,
some Giant fans are getting super excited. I've tried to
stay calm and evaluating Dart and Tiki. To me, this
to me might be, despite the interception, the most encouraging performance.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
And here's why. And this is why I think it is.
To me, we knew in this game that the Broncos
do a lot of interesting things on defense. They bring
a lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
The easy endless five yard quick out seven yards stop
route in the crawl area.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, that was not available in this game. No, absolutely
not in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Jackson dark completed passes for forty four yards forty one yards. Now,
again that was the deflection, but it should have been
a long completion anyway. Robinson for nineteen on a fourth
and nineteen play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
By the way, he had another one eighteen plus to Robins,
he had twenty nine yards to Bellinger.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
He had a thirteen yard to Wando Robinson, a twenty
three yard to Wander Robinson, a twenty nine yard to
Fio Johnson, had another eighteen yard to Wando Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
So they attacked this Denver defense in a way that
a lot of teams this year haven't been able.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
To do big plays.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
They had the lowest big play rail aloud in the
league heading into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
The Giants got big plays all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
And on top of that, yeah, with all the blitzing,
to your point, how many times did he make the
right play the blitz came, He went to the quick slant,
he went to the quick throw, and he got the
ball out when they blitzed, And you know what, that's encouraging.
And he did look sped up at times. That's gonna happen.
He stole only his fourth game, but I thought for

(01:01:14):
the most part he handled what a awesome defense in
the Broncos we're gonna throw at him reasonably well. The
one thing I did say during the break, we've seen this,
when he gets down in games, he maybe tries too
hard to make some place all right. He could have
thrown two interceptions on that final drive before the pass
interference on ballcock.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
He was not accurate on his deep throws in that
and he had overthrown desperate moments. There were overthrows. But
I almost put that to you know, something we heard
Dave say earlier. Actually, I think he said this in
the preseason talking about the connection with some of the
younger wide receivers. It's just time on task and until
you've done that, yeah, ten thousand times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
What's the cliche from from from fifteen thousand reps? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Its ten thousand reps whatever it is not that's that's nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But it's just he hasn't he doesn't have that yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Practicing makes you better, just for the Yeah, for all
the kids out there listening, as I tell my eight
year old constantly, have you work on something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Right, you're going to get better at right and then.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
And it's also having familiarity with your receivers and knowing
how they want that ball delivered, and for you as
a quarterback, how you should deliver those balls. Is that
is my receiver on top of the defender, So do
I throw it out in front of him and just
get air under it so he can run and catch it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Is is the defender on top of him. So I
need to put this on the back shoulder, Like all
of these things come with repetition, and he just hasn't
had a ton of it. I mean, he was the
he was the backup quarterback all through training camp. He
didn't start playing playing with the ones until week three
and so or after week three, and so this is
these are things that are come. I am by In

(01:02:48):
no way am I down on Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I think he's a rookie.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
He is going to be fantastic for this team, and
I know in time, you're everybody's gonna love him as
a player. He has all the tools and we see him.
He's just also a rookie and it's sometimes going to
make bad mistakes. Yeah, And look, I like the aggression,
and I like the fact that he attacked him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
And look the bottom line, Look, he was held by
a defensive pats in deference penalty. But they did score
a touchdown with thirty seven seconds, yes left to go
in the game to win this game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
So I think that has to encourage you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
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All right, we have a lot of audio from the
locker room here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Why don't we go to Brian Burns next here Connor,
he's one of the defensive leaders on this team. Let's
hear what he had to say after this Giants lost
to the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Brian, you were very emotional then here when we got
in Yep. What was going through your mind is no
way he losday games. Mhm. I mean credit to the Broncos.

Speaker 12 (01:05:54):
So you know, uh.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Cuting the way they did, but we gave that it
then there was no way they supposed to win that game.
What did you what did What do you think happened?
For your perspective, how did it happen?

Speaker 27 (01:06:10):
Yeah, some falling and soldiers, you know, it's some I
ain't even gonna critique that we just didn't execute well enough.
I feel like we got put in a position where
we could have won. We coulda took the game, but
we gave it back to 'em. I put that all

(01:06:30):
on us. We gotta play better. I know Dave's gonna
take the blame, and Dave's gone his fault and this
and that. Uh, at the end of the day, we
playing and we gotta make that play. They was in
the position where they was at the disadvantage.

Speaker 12 (01:06:42):
So that's how I fault.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
I could also give me, Uh, you missed the act
of points at a one point game.

Speaker 27 (01:06:49):
Put your say With all that, I come down to
us playing with daves can't make a kick go, we
can't make a kick?

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
He execute and defensively how manyeen h nineteen up?

Speaker 26 (01:07:00):
Okay after three quarters and it looked like you guys
who couldn't put your shut out?

Speaker 27 (01:07:03):
You played amazing, Yeah for three quarters. Fourth quarter wasn't enough?
Uh it well we gave up thirty three points in.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Wore Yeah, did you try to do three field?

Speaker 23 (01:07:11):
Guys start to press when maybe like the first time
came the first touchdown was scored, and then the second
touchdown where you said pressed pressed, you get pressed the issue,
anything like that in the first quick issue where maybe
trying to force the issue or guys trying to do
too much, not doing there one eleventh trying to talk
to me, Oh you're good. The when things started to spire, ye.
Do you feel like guys started to press a little

(01:07:33):
bit in that moment, trying to to stop it all
with one play and that led to maybe worse No?

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Uh and oh actually really, I just.

Speaker 27 (01:07:45):
I just feel like we didn't preciate your brother. I
just feel like we didn't execute well enough. And that's
just what it come down to. Maybe it might have
been a so since it's getting a little comfortable. We
had a decent lead, nice sized lead. We got a
you know, like we've been there before. You can't can't
let up because you could see what just happened. And
that's a tough loss for me.

Speaker 11 (01:08:03):
Brian.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
Why do you think this team in this defense has
struggled to finish off wins?

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
This one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
The Dallas on?

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
I'm sorry I moving around here.

Speaker 14 (01:08:10):
It's huh that's right, yeah, w Why do you think
this team in this defense has struggled to finish off
wins the Dallas game?

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
Now this game, man, it's coming down to details. Man,
got detailed the enough.

Speaker 27 (01:08:21):
You can't play three quarters of amazing defense or a
great defense and and you know give it all the
way in the end, that's just shoot yourself in the foot.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Like we played great until to the work order.

Speaker 11 (01:08:32):
How you up with all that and giving up thirty points?

Speaker 7 (01:08:35):
You know your guys took the lead to do that, right, Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yet thirty one seconds eleven?

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Yup?

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
Did you feel this is the chance for the defense
to finally put the hammer down here?

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Yeah? I did, and we didn't execute. Like I said,
This is a t that's a tough ass. Loss.

Speaker 27 (01:08:48):
Bro, It's just like emotions going up and down to
too many times, Like I just that was that was
very That was tough.

Speaker 11 (01:08:56):
For me, right, take two more aggressively?

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
How on that that series?

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I don't know what of that.

Speaker 26 (01:09:02):
Have you would have the pressure you felt you put
on you know it looked like, you know, like that
in those two passes, pons had time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Your throat it was rushing through. You've dropped eight.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Have you ever had this emotional this emotional reaction to
a game for yourself?

Speaker 27 (01:09:16):
What it's usually games like this, games where you're supposed
to win. Dallas, I was a little motion not just tough,
but as for that one, but it's just it's just
emotions going up and down and that quicker for spanning.
Then you wind up not getting a result that you want.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I will quote Brian Burns and I think he sums
up all Giant fans feeling after tonight's game or today's game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Tough ass loss.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
No, it was a tough one because for three quarters
they played great and then when it came down to it,
the Denver Broncos took advantage of whether it was the
fatigue or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The scheme, and they made big play after big play
after big.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Play and scored a ton of points in the fourth quarter,
something that I didn't think was possible for them against
this giant defense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I mean, we were watching this game, Tiki, and I
don't think any either one of us had to feeling
that the Broncos through three quarters. We get a sat
here for twelve quarters and we didn't think the Broncos
would get to thirty three points.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Yeah, no, you're right, And you know, at some point
in this game, and I think anybody who was watching
this game probably felt the same thing. You start looking
at the clock, right, you start saying, how many more times.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Do we have to make stops?

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
And if we do X, Y or Z, does that
guarantee that winning this game? And I think I'm not
saying from a player standpoint they did that, but it
sounded like that's what Brian Burns was talking about when
he says, look, complacency sets in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
You got to learn how to win this win in
this league, and it's fighting through the end of games.
And yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
It is hard to win in the NFL, especially on
the road against a very good team like that or
at least a good defense like the Denver Broncos have,
and the Giants just didn't do it. And it's on
them as players, and it's also on the coaching staff
to get them in the right position to make those
plays or motivate them or whatever it may be. And
they didn't come through. And it hurts because this is
a game they should have won. It's not dissimilar to

(01:11:03):
the Saints game. It's the game they should have won.
They gave it away to the opponent, opposing team, and
that's something that sits heavy on people's chests for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
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Speaker 29 (01:11:21):
I had to throw out my notes.

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There are no notes for this one, Harvey, right, Oh
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Speaker 29 (01:11:27):
I couldn't find the other ones either.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Give me medication you could take, perhaps, I'll tell you
what you know?

Speaker 29 (01:11:34):
Players, and you get sick. We fans do also, of course. Yeah,
I feel sick to my stomach right now.

Speaker 20 (01:11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
You just want to win. And it doesn't matter that
it only makes them if they would have won three
and four.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
They're still way out of the playoff conversation, but a
win feels good and the Giants one position for eighty
five percent of this game to make their Giant fans
and themselves feel good about winning.

Speaker 29 (01:11:55):
Before I get to a couple of points, Schmidz was out.
Who was the long snapper on the kicks? They have
a new long snapper who's doing you know, it's hard
when you're watching TV.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
No, No, schmid is not their long snapper, Harvey.

Speaker 29 (01:12:08):
They have a new long snap who's snapping those things?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Casey Crider's been there for a few years now. He's
a excellent He's been a long snapping the NFL for
over ten years. He's a really really good player.

Speaker 29 (01:12:17):
I apologize that. Yeah, but but the you know, we
have a rookie quarterback who I love. But I'll tell
you what, Kofker is not a rookie play caller, Okay,
And the bottom line is should he be passing so
much at the end of the game instead of running
which brings me the Ticky.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Bomber pass once?

Speaker 29 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I know, my life Ticky he wrote that my
life in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yes, yes, right, I I I do it.

Speaker 29 (01:12:44):
My memory, you have said that because of the West
Coast offense, there was no need for a full back.
You know, I think I think Paul and I both
the only two left. I think you need call a
full back down, especially at the end of the game
year so you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Could run the football.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
You can get a lead blocker to take the shot
away from the running back and maybe he gets a
couple of extra yards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Look, Daniel Bellinger does that for them, Harvey, you know,
but you.

Speaker 29 (01:13:09):
Know, sometimes I use two tight ends instead. But I
don't think that replaces a big fullback who could run
and block.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
No Harvey, by the way, and and and then you
can finish your point on Bowen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
College doesn't produce full backs anymore either. They they don't
exist on any level of football anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yeah, what you're getting is converted defensive linemen or offensive
lineman athletic offensive or defensive linemen that are playing fullback.
And the reason you I used to love a fullback
is because the momentum that a full back has in
going into his block is different than an in line
tight end. You get a running start, you get a
running as simple as that, it's a running start in
the movement happens a little bit more aggressively when there's

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a fullback coming downhill.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
But it's just too many.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
There's too much risk in taking a skill position player
off the field for a full back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
That's the problem.

Speaker 29 (01:13:56):
But you know, before you get the shame ball, you
know what drives me nuts? You know, I'm so jealous
of people like Tiki Barber who have that kind of
talent that we that we can only dream of. Okay,
And one of the things that bothered me are tight
ends that drop balls. They don't get the balls. They
they have twice the size of my hands. They don't
seem to catch a ball right, And and running back

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and remember ticking and the I think Ingram and uh
and Confland have told you to carry a ball high
up in a chest, not on the cook of the arm.
Never forget that quote.

Speaker 19 (01:14:26):
From a book.

Speaker 29 (01:14:27):
And I see I see running backs and receivers catching
the ball like a loaf of bread. Still to this
day it drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I hear you. What's your point on balling real quick? Harvey?

Speaker 29 (01:14:35):
Be that yeah, yeah, I know. I mentioned a previous
call that that the player, the players have start had
to tell him that he's not aggressive enough, and John Newtt,
you were smart enough at the the last call to
say that they don't blitz enough.

Speaker 30 (01:14:46):
How do you, how do you?

Speaker 29 (01:14:48):
How do all of you evaluate Chaine Boone's defense. I'm
not a I'm not a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I thought, look, I thought he was I thought he
was great to start for most of this game. But
I think when things got desperate and you're trying to
protect the lead, he changed his stripes, right, And when
you change your stripes it creates this air of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Relaxation and a team.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
And I think the mo of this giant defense that
we saw for eighty percent of this game was we're
getting after bo Nicks, we are getting after this run game.
They couldn't do anything on the ground. Every single the
bubble screens, the quick screens that Sean Payton kept calling.
They were aggressive at the line of scrim that's attacking

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the skill position players for the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
But then when it came down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
To it at the end, you're playing passive and it's
so when you change your mo, you're all of a
sudden asking these guys who were giving it, they're all
to get after the quarterback, get after the skill position
players for the Broncos to just chill and just make
easy plays.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Now, and I don't love that. I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I'm looking at the situations and I'm gonna try to
break it down by quarter here for everybody in terms
of when these things happen, so over the course of
the entire game. This is early charting by Pro Football Focus.
This is Week seven, right, So Giants only blitzed ten
of sixty one pass plays in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yes, that's sixteen percent. So now I'm gonna look.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
But it wasn't the blitzing that was making the difference.
It was the aggression with which they were playing in
their zones like they were tight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
They weren't worried about the deep ball.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Unfortunately, we do not right now have They don't have
any like coverage scheme percentages up yet this early after
the game, so I can't give you any of that.
I could tell you in the fourth quarter of this game,
the Giants had ten blitzes overall. How many of those
blitzeres came in the fourth quarter five of the ten,
so they actually half of their ten.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Blitzes came in the fourth quarter. It didn't feel like that. Again,
I would have to go back and look at it
again to see. This is tough. When you watch it
on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
You can't see what the secondary's doing on these plays,
on a lot of these plays, so I'd have to
look at it again. Obviously the results aren't what you want.
But look tick and I looked at it. I don't
think the plate to mimes over the middle was a
scheme issuear to me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I don't think that's a skinning.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
It was just a good play by the Denver broncos
bo Nicks has had that. He has that that throw
in him. He did it a lot last year and
they just got beat. The Giants got beat by the throw.
Drew Phillips got beat by the throat of him, Tyler Nuban.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
And Tyler Nuban just whether he didn't sink enough or
he was worried about the dig coming underneath this the
you know this the same route.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
He just he he didn't sag enough to get into
the way of that throw. Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's
go to nas in Pennsylvania. He's up next. What's up, Nas?

Speaker 31 (01:17:43):
Hey, guys, how you doing today? Will appreciate the tim
and the calls always We're going a couple of points
real quick. Just want to with a early happy Heaven,
leave his birth day to my father, missed him every day.
Wanted to just wanted to throw that out there, and uh,
I all wanted to kind of just tie two things
together if I can. When Jackson dart Or that touchdown

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late in the game, I had an immediate flashback of
when I was a kid in one of my first,
you know, really early memories of watching this team, when
Eli Manning through that touchdown pass to a Moni Tumor
against the Denver Broncos. And I don't know if Amni
Tumor listens to the airwaves or anything like that on WSAM.
I know he works with the Giants, but.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
You're not actually believe it or not. Amani was in
the building with us today doing the postgame show on TV.

Speaker 31 (01:18:30):
Yes, well I really I hope whoever, maybe if he's
still in the building or still listening in the car
or anything like that. I really appreciate that memory from
Amani Tumor. And I was even wearing the Amani Tumor
jersey today for that game. So when Jackson scored that
touchdown late, I was just having an immediate flashback about that.
But I guess if we're just going to really talk

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about the game here, and it's a lot to kind
of you know unwind here and the litany of things,
the negative plays and the positive thing. I really I'm
really looking forward to how this team now responds, especially
with the rookies. I really want to see how they
attack practice, just attack the preparation, and see if they're
still engaged right, still have the confidence. And I really

(01:19:15):
hope that they do because we've been dying for relevant
football for so long that I think all of us
as Giants fans have really forgotten how hard these losses
are to really take. Now with the relevant football and
the relevant wins and the relevant losses, so we got
a taste of it, and we also got a reminder
of how hard those games could really be. So I'm

(01:19:36):
really hoping that they can put it behind them and
really just keep you know, pushing on the gas and
move forward to a huge game against the Philadelphia Eagles
in the division in the conference.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
No, you're right, man, And it's interesting because last year
we remember how bad it was to watch these Giant games.
It just it wasn't competitive football. This is competitive football.
This is the This is in the category of man,
what a game, But you lost, not you need to
have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
And it hurts more.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
You would still rather lose horse away than be staring
at a thirty five to twelve to thirteen deficited the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Yes, absolutely, But the reality is in this new era,
this Jackson Dart era, as we keep calling it, the
Giants are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Two and two, and the two losses are on them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
It's directly on They lost the games by giving the
ball away against the Saints and by not being tight
enough in the moments that mattered. And again I always
talk about moments. There are moments in this game where
Giants players and coaches had chances to take a full,
firm grasp and win this thing, and they didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
And so it's like this inconsistency.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
It's you have, you know, one good game, then you
have a bad one, then you have a good one,
then you have a bad one, and you know it
lines up for a good one against the Philadelphia Eagles.
But I think NAS's is exactly right. Failures happened. Man
who cares life is full of them. How do you
respond to them?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Is the answer? And This is going to be a
tough one to respond to because of how I think,
despondent and beat up you feel about this emotionally.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Yeah, and you know the Eagle is going to be
out for blooded one hundred last game to the Giants.
By the way, Elias bo Nick's the first player in
NFL history to have two or more rushing touchdowns and
two or more passing touchdowns in a fourth quarter in
the history of the National Football.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Doesn't feel like he's that good of a quarterback. And
that's what the Giants allowed him to do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Let's go to Jonathan and Montclair. He's up next, Jonathan.
What's going on?

Speaker 32 (01:21:31):
Good evening, guys, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
We're good.

Speaker 19 (01:21:34):
So.

Speaker 32 (01:21:35):
I've been a lifelong Giant fan for I'm fifty years old,
so a long long time, seeing some ups and downs.
I really believe this is, unfortunately, just the losing culture,
and it starts with the head coach.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
He's got a.

Speaker 32 (01:21:49):
Thirty six percent winning record with the New York Giants.
He has faith and a defensive coordinator who I don't
believe it is utilizing the talent that they have on defense.
This is a much better defense than what we've seen
so far this year, and I think he's got to
make at some point some decisions here, whether it's firing

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the defensive coordinator tomorrow, cutting Tay Banks, who didn't even
want to make a tack on Evan Ingram. But if
you can't send some type of signal to the players
who are in there hustling and trying their very best
to make this team as competitive as possible. And I
don't know if you guys saw Brian Burns yelling at
the end of the game. These guys are frustrated, and

(01:22:33):
I think he's going to lose the locker room. And
you know they don't want to publicly call him out
because they're professionals. But you've been in locker rooms. I
know you've been there before, and anyone who's played sports
at one point or another, it's the coaches that put
players in the right position.

Speaker 30 (01:22:49):
To win games.

Speaker 32 (01:22:50):
This coach doesn't do it. The other coach made adjustments
in the second half and he finally figured out it
in the fourth quarter and they beat us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, he was out coach less.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Sean Payton finally, let look, Sean Payton is coaching very
differently than I've ever seen him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
And this goes back to the Jet game last week,
which I watched, and when you evaluated, it was like, man,
he was just leading on his defense, which is shackles
on his quarterback, which is so different from what you
saw even a year ago with a rookie in bow Knicks.
And so you're right, he is limiting the aggression with it.
He's playing with his young quarterback, but when it came

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to desperation time, he let him free. And let's be real,
Jackson Dart, I mean, bo Nicks responded to that, and
he made some really good throws and some really good plays,
and he was aggressive with his legs and you know,
as far as it pertains to to Shane Bowen, yeah,
he's gotta he's gotta earn it, I think every week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
The confidence of his team and put him in position
to play great football.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Now, in fairness to Deontay Banks, that was not Deante
Banks who did not push Evan Ingram out of bounds.
That was Drew Phillips who kind of I don't know
what that was powder puff two hand touch that he
had on Evan Ingram.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Now, Banks was blocked further down the field. He was
blocked down the field.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
But the play is for Drew Phillips to just ram
Evan Ingram out of bounce correct and didn't put a
shoulder on him. He just put his hands on him.
Look he was playing two hand touch. It did look
like he was playing two hand touch. And he goes
on and picks up another eleven or twelve yards And
so at that moment in the game, every single yard matters.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
And the thing I wrote down as I saw that
was effort. That's effort. And I don't know what that is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Is it fatigue because of the altitude, maybe because fatigue
makes coward of even the greatest of men. And that
seemed to bite the Giants when it mattered, And it's
only because the Denver Broncos were playing at a heightened
desperate level that the Giants couldn't match in the fourth quarter.
And it's and I don't need any other statistic to
tell you that than the score they scored thirty three points.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
And look, I'll throw two other things out here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Tek We've seen too many games this year where the
opposing team, and now it hasn't been every game against
the Chargers, they went into must pass situations and the
Giants defensive line dominated and they shut that game down
last week. And again this is this might be an
Eagles thing. They just can't really throw the ball consistently
this year at all. Yeah, but we have seen in
games this year too many times when the opposing team
gets down in the game and they decide, all right, look,

(01:25:18):
we just got to start throwing the ball here. Whether
it's the Giants secondary and their coverage is too loose
and they can't stay with their guys and they're allowing
guys to beat them in one on one situations, or
it's the Giants pastor is not putting enough consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Pressure on the quarterback. We've seen still too many situations
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
And I go back to that Dallas game specific right,
I think he's too cute when when when teams decide
to throw the ball in the Giants, I think I
think Giants don't sold them down.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I think Bowen gets too cute.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
He starts overthinking it and starts saying, all right, I'm
going to play a defense. It keeps everything in front
of me. And instead of doing instead of playing aggressive
like he had the whole game, and he might, I
say aggressive, he's not bringing a ton of pressure. It's
just keeping guys flat, and you know, keeping guys in
zones that are that are competitive zones. So you're forcing,
you know, plays that go behind you to really have

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to have to work for it for it to be successful.
And when you drop back fifteen yards there's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
A ton of space expanding. Zone coverages are quarterback's best friend.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
And you kept doing that in moments when it mattered
the most, and Bo Nicks and the Denver Broncos took
advantage of it.

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Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
John Smelt Tiki Barber with you, Bobby Ocaake, one of
the Giants team captains.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
He had rest of the media in the locker room.
Matter the game.

Speaker 10 (01:27:02):
Oh, it's played extremely well today. Put us in great
situations for the most of the game. Uh, and we
just got to do a better job executing critical situations,
getting off the field, just playing to the situation. And yeah,
just you know, tough, tough plays that hurt us that

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those are those are those are make or ring plays
to win games.

Speaker 6 (01:27:26):
How you're explaining that that switch where you guys are
shutting them up for the three quarters and then all
of those points to the point, what do you think changed?

Speaker 10 (01:27:33):
I mean, they're a good team, shout out to bo
Nicks and good quarterback, may have a good offense. You know,
they caught a little rhythm there, probably tried to exploit
some stuff at what we were doing. And like I said,
they just executed better than us in critical situations and
just made more plays than us.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
To win the game. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:27:50):
There you gave up the lead.

Speaker 26 (01:27:52):
Yeah, it didn't look good and then you guys improbably
go down and get the lead again. Thirty four, thirty
six thirty seven seconds ago.

Speaker 9 (01:27:59):
Did you that was your last You know, that was
your real opportunity for this defense to make amends for
that fourth quarter and you know put.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
An end to this.

Speaker 10 (01:28:06):
Yeah, hundre percent. I mean we got great trust and
belief in our offense. I thought they put some great
situations for majority of the game. And you know, as
a team, we expect to be in dogfights. We know
seven percent of these games come down to win score less,
so you know we expect to be in a fourth
quarter battle and they just executed better than us critical
situations to win the game.

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
Bobby, you've been around this game a long long time.

Speaker 10 (01:28:29):
Fortunately the last couple of years, you guys have been
on the losing end of this What is there gonna
be a time tonight where you just kind of.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
Look at at this result and say, how do we
how do we let that happen?

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:28:40):
No, you got to compartmentalize miss emotional game. Obviously it's tough.
We'll take our twenty four hours to feel the wait
and impact of this one, because this is one we
really wanted to have and when we thought that we
were gonna get. But we'll go about our process. We've
got a great opponent in Philly next week. We know
they're very excited for the challenge actually after the first game,

(01:29:01):
so we just got to clean up the details, details,
especially on defense, execution, executing critical situations. And at the
end of the day, it comes down to making those
players in critical situations, which.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
They did and the Giants defense did not. Ticky, No,
they did not not in the critical situations. And look,
Bobby is really good at being.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Mister politicians, saying all the right things, and he controls
his emotions, which is a good thing. And by the way,
they need that. They need guys like that, especially coming
into this up this week. And you're always the same,
no matter what right you're you're.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
You don't get high, you don't get low.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
You just stay exactly where you are and you call
it like you see it, meaning you got to be critical,
but you're not gonna get emotional about it. And I
think having a guy like him is important because there's
a lot of emotion that's gonna swirl around this win.
There's a lot you heard it from some of the
guys in the locker room, like we're not supposed to
lose that game, Like Brian Burns said, when you have

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that big of a lead and you just take some introspection,
some you know, self evaluation and what do we need
to do?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
How do we get better and finished games? That's what
this team needs to figure out how to do. All right,
Let's go to salond Yonkers. He's up next, Sally, Hello.

Speaker 20 (01:30:11):
Ticky Hull John another painful loss, very you know this room.
This this reminds me of the San Francisco game where
Jeremy Shockey we were playing twenty Yeah, but that was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
The playoffs and there was a lot more than that one.
You're on your oneing that game, right, of course, Trey Junkin.
There was another one we lost, Richie.

Speaker 20 (01:30:35):
Where does a Shawn Jackson?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Yeah, the punt the punt return return.

Speaker 20 (01:30:40):
And the other one we lost was with twenty two
seconds left against the Minnesota Vikings. We lost that with
twenty two seconds left, we were ahead and wound up
losing that. What a pain another day and every time
we lose, we're black the next day because I'm so
distraught and in mourning when we lose. And you know,
I'll tell you one next gen stat had this one,

(01:31:01):
all right, The Broncos win probability. Hey, with six thirty
eight left in the fourth quarter, I can't and three
trailing twenty six to eight. They had a zero point
seven chance of winning.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
So you're telling me there was a chance, But there
was a there was a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
There was a chance.

Speaker 20 (01:31:22):
Giants defense blew You know. That was another thing too.
They went out Denver, went to the Coco, they played
the philled up Eagles, and I figured, all, they're gonna
get beat up there, and then they had to go
to London and play the Jets and then fly back.
I said, perfect, we could win this game because they're flying,
they're gonna be dead beat and our defense looked like

(01:31:43):
at the end that few the ones that went to London.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Well, it's interesting that you say that because you think
about the last three weeks for the Denver Broncos, and
let's give them credit, because whether you think they're a
good team or not, it doesn't matter. They're five and
two on their season. Their two losses came against probably
the two the best teams uh in the in the
AFC right now, and they were both on the road
at the Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Colts, who are six and one right now. The Annapolis Colts,
and then at the LA.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Chargers, who are five and two, I believe, and they
just lost to the Indianapolis Colts. So like they they're scrappy.
They're not a great team that's gonna blow you away
and outscore you by twenty points. But they have a
tough defense and they played to the end of games.
I think it's one of the things that this Giant
team should aspire to be a team that can finish

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no matter what the circumstances are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
They came from behind to beat the Philadelphia Eagles. They
they they they exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
They struggled against the Jets in London, but but won
it defensively by sacking Jalen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Not Jalen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
What's his name, No, the no, the Jets quarterback Justin
Justin Fields. They sacked them nine times in that game.
And so then they come from behind and this game
by as big as they weren't score thirty three points
in the fourth quarter. This Broncos team is pretty damn resilient,
and that's a trade the Giants should want.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
They just don't have it yet. All right, Robbie sal
that I appreciate the call. That was a great stat
I'm gonna thrown another one. I emailed our boys over
at Stats about this, and I asked them when the
last time a team gave up more than the Giants
thirty three points to the Broncos in a fourth quarter,
And their data goes back to nineteen twenty five is
my understanding, And that's something they actually do a box

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score data four bause you have the Lion scores of
even of those older games. It has happened once before
in an NFL game that was on September thirtieth, two
thousand and seven, the Bears playing at the Lions. At
the start of the fourth quarter of that game, the
Bears led the Lions thirteen to three. The Lions ended

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up winning that game thirty seven twenty seven, and the
only reason, by the way, the Lions got to thirty
four points in that quarter was because they returned a
desperation Bears on side kick for.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
A touchdown on the final play. So that's almost kind
of fake. Yeah, it's not, to be honest, it's not
a drive.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
It's not a drive for points, it's a it's a
desperation on side kick after.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
They took the lead for points. That's interesting, and I
was looking at the other ones that you had won.
Was in nineteen twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Yes, I'll bring that back up forth that but that
wasn't even it wasn't a competitive game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Fifty nine to nothing, fifty nine to nothing and fifty
four to nineteen was the other one in twenty twenty two,
coltsa Cowboy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Not a competitive game, correct, right? The competitive This was
a competitive game. This was a team in the Lions
that came from behind to win this game. This is
a team with the Broncos who came from way behind
to win this game. And it sucks because this is
what people are going to talk about. This is one
of the the I don't want to say marquee games
because it wasn't, but just the way that they won

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the game is going to make people the giants and
it's not something you want happening.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Especially after you played so well for eighty percent of
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Absolutely, eight anyway, one zero, one, nine. Let's go to
a Robbie in late Success. He's up next, Robbie.

Speaker 33 (01:35:15):
Big guys, listen, you know, we can talk about all
the positives in this game, but this game is on
the coaching staff and I want to say something I've
been a Giant fans in nineteen seventy two and my
buddy from Robbie Robbie from Lake Successful abouts. I was
at a game, my first game in nineteen seventy two,
which the Giants beat the Phildelphia Eagle sixty two to ten.
Spider lockarther than at two interceptions at them sixty years old.

(01:35:38):
This is the worst game I've ever seen in my life,
coached by a team that I've just complete idiots. First
of all, let's talk about the decision Teak you talk
about I mean, it's football, ABC, guys, you run the football.
Has anybody ever learned from Russell Wilson in the Super Bowl?
Have we learned from Jimmy Garoppolo in the Super Bowl
and Shanahan and blowing three Super Bowl? Has anybody ever

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learned if you don't have to put the ball in
the air, that don't do it? Okay, it's okay, you
don't do it, and you force the timeouts. I mean
high school coaches, I taking, you know, and I could
stand on the sideline and coach that game better. Shane
Bowen has got to go. Brian Dabele has got to go.
If Andy Raid is on that sideline.

Speaker 20 (01:36:21):
Guys, this team is five and two, and what's going
on in the first half, the third quarter through up
nineteen to nothing? Why are you going for two? Dummy?
Because you could have tied the game with a field goal,
but you had to try to score touchdowns because you
went for two and chase the points. Brian Dabele with
you sticking stupid analytics, which you can take and stick
up your nose, Okay, Tinky, I mean you're gonna be
on with that tomorrow and I'm telling you, yes, Look,

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you're not coaching. It's about scheme. Why are you rushing ten? Guys?
I'm ten blitzes again and can ask you a question
at the end. Why is it that the Giants always
have a problem in the secondary? Why is it every
year we have a lousy secondary? What coach we have,
no matter what team we do? What in the world?
I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Well, thought I thought they played better to Yeah, look,
emotional Giant fan, you get up, but I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Look, I thought that the defense in the secondary played
well in this game until Paul Sendebo gets hurt and
you lose a big presence, a physical corner out there
and you lost Holland von Holland, you lose earlier in
the game. And look, Dame Belton played well. He came
up and was very physical on a lot of those plays,
but he's he's just step down from some Javon Holland.

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And look, he wasn't the reason that some of these
big plays happened at the end of the game, but
it certainly didn't help.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Look, I think the issue, the issues that this team
has in finishing games are real. They're not going to
fire their head coach. You're not going to fire their
defensive coordinator in the middle of the week. But they
do got to figure out how to finish games. And
that's collaborative from every perspective, from players not making dumb
mistakes as these as the games wind down, and also

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from the coaches and the decisions that they make.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
And Robbie, he's right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
He brought up the exact point that I talked about
on the first moment of this postgame. You got to
run the ball when it's third and five and you're
trying to get a team to use all of their timeouts.
You have a ten point lead, a two score lead.
You don't need to try to be aggressive and put
it in the hands of your young quarterback because he's

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earned the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Trust to do that. That doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
The correct play is to run the clock and play
field position and not try to be aggressive, and when
it and puff your chest out because you did something
that made you feel good or made the quarterback feel good,
win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
The winning move was to run the ball. All right,
let's go to Ryan in massive Pequa. He's up next. Ryan.
You want to air some grievances. It's not Festivus yet,
but I will allow it.

Speaker 19 (01:38:58):
Hey, guys, how are you first? Let's caller? This was
probably tiky. I hate to bring it up. This was
probably one of the worst losses I've seen since the
two thousand and two game against the Niners. And I
was a seven year old when that happened. This game
was just we had it. We just had it, and

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it just couldn't it just we couldn't figure it out.
My other question is do we think we should fire
Shane Bowen anytime soon? Because I've had my opinions on him,
and I think he's been given too many chances and
I think it's time to let.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Him gott Yeah, I mean, look, they're not going to
do it in the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Appreciate it, don't see it happening. And does he have
his flaws? Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
I think sometimes he gets out of his comfort zone
and he does what he thinks feels right as opposed
to knowing what is going to be best. And does
he have too much experience to be making some of
those those schematic decisions. Yeah, he does, but they're not
going to fire him. I know that feels like the
emotional thing to do at this moment, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Going to happen. It Wit one zero one nine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Let's take one more call, but before we will go
to break and say what's up to Steve in Rockland?

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Steve, what's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:40:19):
Well, you know, Tiki, you made some great points. I
think another thing that really bothered me was when he overthrew.
Want to tell Robinson, that's probably a pass right that
he's been making since he's six years old.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Right, right, He's just got to learn how to do
that on this level. And then when they get the
Hiatt a few plays, yeah, and one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
The Hyatt was the one that I think was so
well set up because he drew he looked left the
entire time trying to keep the safety and the backside
deep player away from Jalen Hyatt, and he just didn't
put enough air under it because he thought he couldn't
throw it long enough. And that happens because he had

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underthrown at least two, maybe three of his other deep
shots in previous games. So he just has to get
he's got to get more.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Reps doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I don't know if there's I don't know when the
rep time happens for that. You can't do it in
the middle of weeks because you're you're game planning, and
you know, these are things that happened in the off
seasons or in training camp, and it just wasn't part
of the plan early because Russell Wilson was slotted in
to be the starting quarterback, you know.

Speaker 20 (01:41:24):
And I don't think that other teams are gonna mock
the Giants as much as they're not gonna ever let
their guard down against the Broncos. That's one thing. And
the other thing is that you know, you do a
show during the week, right and especially during baseball right
and especially during baseball seasons. One of the things that

(01:41:45):
you get to hear all the time. Are people complaining
about a certain New York Yankee manager and his comments
after the game?

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, it's all right in
front of us.

Speaker 20 (01:41:56):
Right, wait, because this is relevant, all right. The different
between him and Brian Dable is that his team win
like sixty two to sixty five percent of the time, right, okay,
and they're always in the mix to compete for the
championship in their sport. All right. And I'm tired of

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his postgame just just I don't know what you call
his word sounds at this point, but it's just I
find it daunting, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Find it, you find it frustrated that he's not telling
you anything. He's not he's not that's not explaining anything.
He's not giving you an excuse. He's just kind of
thanks to the call man. He appreciates you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
He's just giving you, yeah words, He's just giving you words.
They don't mean anything. Look, he's telling you what happened,
that they aren't happy about the loss, but he's not
going into any details as to what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Yeah, And part of that is I don't I don't
know if the right questions are asked, And it's hard
in real time to think about and ask what needs
to be asking.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Certain detail questions.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Davis might not actually have the correct answer exactly point
right after the game too, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
With you, right, but what was the thought process on
third and five is a relevant question that absolutely should
have been asked and it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
All right, let's take a quick time out. We'll come back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Take a few more calls. I want to hear from
a couple offensive players. We haven't heard from many of
them yet. We here from Daniel Bellinger and Andrew Thomas.
We'll take you up until ten o'clock when Lourie Rubinson
takes over. Right here on the fan, We'll be right back.

Speaker 12 (01:43:33):
This is Andrew Thomas, and you're listening to Giants football
on the fan W Fan and w Fan FM, New York.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Back here on Giants extra point.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Giants again fall in just heartbreaking fashion to the Denver
Broncos thirty three to thirty two. Schmell Katiki with you
taking a few more of your calls in the next
fourteen minutes or so until Lloi Rubinson at ten o'clock
at eighty eight eight eight one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Zero one nine.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
But yeah, heard from many offensive players after the game.
Wan here from a couple of them. Let's go with
Daniel Bellinger, who had maybe his best receiving game as
a member of the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Maybe I had a great game. Let's listening to to
Daniel after the game.

Speaker 9 (01:44:05):
How you guested it and how do you come back
from it? Ultimately, you can't change it. You know, you
want to go back and you want to maybe change
one or two plays, but you can't. You can't do
that in football. We can't do that in life. So
we gotta keep our head up. You know, we got
Philly in six days. Get a correct we can correct
and UH find ways to win these games, can you belgiit?
Thanks for your time. Thank you appreciate you appreciate.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
I just wanted to ask you in the first quarter.

Speaker 34 (01:44:32):
Be okay, what was that?

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:44:33):
I had a stinger, so it was it was pretty rough,
but UH got my shrink back and was.

Speaker 7 (01:44:38):
Able to come back. Then you came back out and
you had a touchdown.

Speaker 34 (01:44:41):
Like I guess he's okay.

Speaker 9 (01:44:42):
Yeah, it felt a little bit better after that.

Speaker 34 (01:44:45):
Using the tight ends has been really useful. How much
of you enjoyed being that involved.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
In the game.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
Jordan A.

Speaker 9 (01:44:51):
Lot, you know, like I was telling them, you know,
it just brings versatility to our offense, allows us to
keep the defense on their toes and keep us you know,
playing fast, playing busy, cool, and so we're likely we
should keep.

Speaker 7 (01:45:02):
Growing on it.

Speaker 34 (01:45:03):
Have you ever seen an end of the game like
that before.

Speaker 9 (01:45:06):
I've been a part of some wild games. That one,
that one, that one's up there for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
You ran out of time? Yeah, I mean it was.

Speaker 9 (01:45:14):
You know, it's gonna be one that that haunts us
for for a while.

Speaker 12 (01:45:18):
Thank you very much, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 32 (01:45:21):
When he was twenty six to eight lead, what were
you thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
Of the boy?

Speaker 9 (01:45:25):
Yeah, I mean the the mindset on the sideline was finished.
Finish finished the game?

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Yep, didn't finish?

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Yeah, yeah, didn't. Uh didn't get the result we wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:45:37):
In the day.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
We can't change it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
We gotta fake.

Speaker 9 (01:45:38):
Figure out what we can fish, you know, make sure
that doesn't happen again.

Speaker 12 (01:45:41):
Thanks, thank you, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
Just take me through the real quick I missed up.

Speaker 7 (01:45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:44):
Yeah, so we you know, ran outside zone a couple
of times, and then you know, a great call by
our offensive cornertor Kafka, uh set it up a couple
of times and then fake block run down. I'm not
exactly sure what happened with Jackson or the back end,
but they kind of just dropped me and I just
kept running and Jackson saw me, found me and ready,
good play.

Speaker 16 (01:46:04):
Were you surprised that you were so open at first?

Speaker 9 (01:46:06):
Yeah, I mean, you know, originally it looked like the
was pascertain or whatever. It was, looked like they were
dropping back, and then they kind of stepped up, and
you know, I'm just glad that that Jackson saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Thanks, think your.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
Ship us a lot.

Speaker 35 (01:46:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Now, let's go to Andrew Thomas next.

Speaker 12 (01:46:21):
The group ready as a unit and you know, put
the best film out there.

Speaker 27 (01:46:25):
Andrew, what did darn't show you after a little late
interception to get you on a drive that actually puts
you ahead in the final moment of the game.

Speaker 12 (01:46:33):
The keyword that we talked about this is reload testamentality.

Speaker 34 (01:46:36):
Obviously, you know, we had a turnover late in the game,
but our intention was to go down the score and
we did that.

Speaker 12 (01:46:42):
We did a good job, made some plays for us
and my days would you know, be a really good
player for us in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
What did you think about that? Draft that late drafts
stood out to you about that too.

Speaker 12 (01:46:52):
Just to the tenacity that you had. I think it
because of the momentum shifts.

Speaker 34 (01:46:56):
It's easy to put your head down momentum going that way,
the crowd is sticked out, but which fall as a
unit and as a team, you know, to come back.

Speaker 7 (01:47:06):
We just got to finisher.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
What does it say about you guys offense?

Speaker 8 (01:47:09):
It would be able to convert that before it was fourteen,
seventeen nineteen when everyone.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Was yeah, it was a great play. We needed that.
It's a big one.

Speaker 34 (01:47:17):
We're talking about got apat focus all the time and
just a few more players to get this one.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Jicky. A couple guys on offense there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
And it's tough because you score thirty points, you feel
like that should be enough to win the football game. Yeah,
but at the same time, a couple of crucial drives late.
You also can't convert first downs on consecutive.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
So I was having this conversation with Evan Roberts, my
co host on Evan and Tiki every Monday to Friday
two to six thirty pm shameless plug. After the Jets
Week one lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Remember this game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
It was like a high scoring game and they played
relatively well. Justin Fields made a couple of really good throws,
and I remember Evan was upset about it because they
didn't win, and I was like, you know what, Evan, you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Guys look good. The only thing you just lost, right
is you played well. You just you just lost.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
And it's kind of what I feel like with this
Giants team right now. You played well except when it mattered,
and you lost the game that you should have won.
And so the thing I take away is that this
Giants team, when they're on and they're not making mistakes.
That's all, all units and all facets of the team
are not making mistakes. This team can play with anybody,

(01:48:28):
and I mean even the best teams in the league.
It's just it's just a matter of figuring out how
to win games, how to create that that that that
must do it culture and must win moments you take
advantage of. And they haven't done that consistently enough, and
it's why they find themselves at two and five. And
it sucks because you look at two of those losses

(01:48:49):
and you say they could have even should have been
wins and like, accepting that is is not easy as player.
It just really isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
All right, Let's go to Nacho U Ninya's roaches after
the game. I'm told both by Pete Hoffin and Pauledatino
he was excellent after the game. So let's listen from him,
and then we'll wrap up the last few minutes getting
as many phone calls as we can.

Speaker 7 (01:49:08):
Here's not your Yeah, that could have been a factor.
That could have been a part. Be honest with you.

Speaker 35 (01:49:13):
We were getting used to being throwing out, so we
weren't tested when it came to the altitude. So when
it started, you know, putting plays back to back and
getting a drive, maybe that's why guys felt, you know,
a short window or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:49:25):
But at the end of the day, we have guys
that we have depth.

Speaker 35 (01:49:28):
So if you feel any type of wind that sub out,
let's somebody else go one hundred percent, whether you're going
sixty percent.

Speaker 7 (01:49:34):
So I don't know if that was the case. I
just know we didn't ask you how we know we
execue nature.

Speaker 11 (01:49:39):
You mentioned a coming ago. You said currently that's our nature.

Speaker 8 (01:49:42):
It sounded like Patt had been asking you about it's
a human nature to kind of let up.

Speaker 11 (01:49:45):
And you said, currently it's.

Speaker 7 (01:49:46):
Our nature not worry about humor or worry about what
we do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Of course, how troubling is it that that is an issue.

Speaker 35 (01:49:53):
I mean, it's one of the things we got, you know,
young guys, we got older guys depending on younger guys.
So it's just a culture, like your ass every time,
we're trying to redefine our culture, our identity and things
like that. And that's one of the things, like not
getting not riding the way too high and not riding
the lows two lolls, you know what I'm saying, Like
keeping stagnant throughout, expecting success, expecting me dominant, inspecting those things,

(01:50:17):
and sometimes, like su said, can sometimes go to not
only you know, the teammates, my head, our head, but
how you work through those things, how do you not
just take that energy and just keep applying. They're just
taking the ease off the you know.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
Gas.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Sorry to you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
He's a veteran obviously, you know he's been here for
this thirty year now, he's been here for some losing
and you can just sense the frustration of this.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Yeah, of course, I mean the frustration is there because
he understands that this team, you don't want to be
emotional because you can't because you got to play a
game in six days or five days, whatever it is
for them, six days now, and if they got a
long trip home, they're gonna get home.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Probably is this a reddie? Will this be a Red
eye ish kind of right? I think they're getting in
around one or two. Yeah, it's not too bad, right,
They're gonna get home late tonight, and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Tomorrow is just gonna be a recovery day, and then
Tuesday's your off day, and then you got to get
right back into the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, it helps that
you played the Eagles only a couple of weeks ago,
and so the game plan is likely to be somewhat similar,
even though I'm sure there will be some adjustments and
movements from two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
But Eagles, by the way, looked like a very similar
team today than what they looked against the Giants two Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
I mean they won somewhat big against who did they
play today? They played the Vikings? Yeah, the Vikings, But
that a lot of that was just Carson Wentz being
bad and just a couple of big plays. They had
a pick six and they had an eighty seven yard But.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
Also the Vikings were in the red area a bunch
of times and just kicked field goals over and over
and over again. And one of the things that the
Giants have gotten really good at a scoring in the
red zone. So are the Eagles beatable? Of course they're beatable.
Can the Giants do it? It depends on how they
re from this bad loss.

Speaker 7 (01:52:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Absolutely, All right, let's get back to the phones here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Eight eight, one zero one, nine guys, get let's get
one comment end, we're gonna get out. I got about
five or six guys. I want to try to squeeze
them all in. So let's lead things off with Joe
and Florida. Joe, what's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:52:17):
You're talking to you? You're a great athlete, all that stuff.
But Tinky, you're a.

Speaker 24 (01:52:22):
Diehard Giant fan, a Giant player. I don't see the
passion disgust what you saw today. I am curious, like
most Giant fans, of what I saw today.

Speaker 20 (01:52:35):
We should not let the get away.

Speaker 24 (01:52:37):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 20 (01:52:38):
Coaching has to be to blame for this somehow, some way.

Speaker 19 (01:52:43):
I know the players, those the players.

Speaker 29 (01:52:45):
They gotta do what they gotta do.

Speaker 24 (01:52:47):
But I'm sorry, you can't let this go. We had
a spark. We had a SPARKI we had a spark
shot the last few years that we haven't had and
it kisses me off, to be honest, they would let
this one go. Yeah, we had we had something going.

Speaker 29 (01:53:04):
We had something going.

Speaker 24 (01:53:05):
Oh, we might not made me a wild card, we
might not have done all that, but we had something.
We had something to buy it onto for the last
few years.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
Well, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, real quick now, Joe, I
hear you. And by the way, I can tell you
appreciate the call. Tiki was quite passionate while we were
watching this game four.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
What's only because I knew it was going to happen.
And I hate being right about these things, but I
knew it was going to happen when the third and
five was intercepted. And as that is, that play was
was developing and not even developing, as they were getting
ready to call the play, I was sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
What did I say to you? Run the ball? You yelled, started,
just run it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Make them use all three of your timeouts. And the
reason and I've said this already, this is the third
time is that they had a possession to burn and
they didn't have to uh go down and score, they
have to do anything. They had a possession to burn
and that and you burn that possession by running the
clock and forcing the Denver Broncos and Sean Payton to
use all three of their timeouts. Not only did they

(01:54:04):
not use all three of their timeouts, you gave him
a short field where they went and scored in less
than a minute. And now all of a sudden, the
pressure's on a young quarterback. So just like that, because
of one play call. And again it never comes down
to one play, but one play call changed the pressure
point in this game. The pressure point was on the
Denver Broncos. If you punt in that situation, they have
no timeouts. They got to go seventy five yards to

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get in position to score. The pressure is on the
Denver Broncos as soon as they score and now they're
just three points behind. The pressure is on a twenty
three year old quarterback who has to now put a
drive together and now he's done it the whole game,
but now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
He has to do it as opposed to it's a
luxury if you do it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
We have a big lead.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
It doesn't matter. We can just punt.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
When you give up that interception and give them point
blake scoring opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
The pressure flipped. And when you flip the pressure and
put it it's if it's Peyton Manning, you don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Who gives a crap. Peyton made a mistake, you know
he can pick it up.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Jackson Dart makes a mistake because of the play call,
and all of a sudden, all the pressure is now
on him. Now he responded, obviously helped in part because
of a great throw by him, and then a roughing
the passer and then a pass interference, and then he
goes and scored.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
But I gotta be honest. When he scores, the first
thing I'm thinking is there's too much time. Me too.
I was like, almost, just don't score. We don't want
to score. We have seen this play before.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
Let Cam Scataboo run twice and eventually eventually score.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
And there's twenty seconds left on the clock.

Speaker 7 (01:55:34):
And so the.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Circumstances led to a discouraging and I get just a
hard defeat.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
But I can't help but go back to the third
and five.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
I knew it in the moment and as soon as
that interception happened, I said, they're losing this game, all right,
and they did all right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Two quickies, John and Hazl's on the next John, gentlemen,
let me.

Speaker 30 (01:55:58):
Just set the scene real quick. Three and a half
per ride up to Oneonta driving my son, and we're
made home. Listen to the game in the mountains, either
on the Sunday ticket, how to switch the FA N when.

Speaker 19 (01:56:08):
We lost that signal.

Speaker 30 (01:56:09):
I lost the f AN signal on the interception on
the John touchdown. And then we come back and I'm
hearing something happened I and now I'm driving home.

Speaker 7 (01:56:21):
We have out.

Speaker 30 (01:56:21):
My emotion are up and down with the catskills.

Speaker 19 (01:56:25):
Basically that's rough.

Speaker 30 (01:56:30):
It's rough, but again I'm I'm gonna be less emotional
than some of the other callers. Horrific loss and and
I don't know if you listen to the game or
watch the game where you guys were both okay, So
to the last like thirty five minutes, we sat in
the parking lot of his dorm watching the game on
my phone.

Speaker 20 (01:56:49):
At that point the defense looked exhausted to me.

Speaker 30 (01:56:53):
Hands on hips, the tids getting blown away on that
on that run, like they just looked really just done
at that point. I do think the altitude, They're not
gonna use it in this but I do think it
beat them. That aside, your rookie quarterbacks scores thirty two
points against the number one defense in the league, and
it wasn't pretty, but he got the job done. And

(01:57:15):
listen Angst in his voice in the post game, this
kid is going to win games for us.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Whether he's gonna be great, he's gonna be great. You
can quack, thank you, but you also need to you
need to win.

Speaker 3 (01:57:32):
And the one thing then and then I've been fighting
with Sean Morash on Twitter or on on on on
text message. I love Sean, but that was your first
mistake because what I care about is building something here
and continuity is important, and if you don't win games,
continuity doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
There are consequences to losses, right, and when.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
You're when you're you're trying to develop young players and
you're trying to re establish a culture that existed here
a short time ago, three years ago, when this staff
one Coach of the year. You want it to continue.
But that only happens if you win, and you can't
lose games like that, and one because it pushes you closer,

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as I said earlier, towards irrelevancy. So you get into
if they don't beat the Eagles, if they don't beat
the forty nine ers, they have a tough schedule coming forward.
Then all of a sudden, you get into December and
you're not playing meaningful football. And maybe these guys don't
check out. Maybe the leadership of Bobby Okarak and some
of these young players really rises that the sinking ship.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
But you don't know, because we don't know this team yet.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
It's a new iteration of New York Giant football, and
it feels like it's right and there are pieces here,
but the last thing you can have is this team
not playing the way that they played today.

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