Giants Extra Point | Giants vs. Eagles Recap

John Schmeelk, Tiki Barber and Bob Papa break down the Giants' Week 8 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Giants Extra Point.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:32):
Night Football took it to the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
And they beat him handily, thirty four to seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, this was some payback because the Eagles dominate the
New York Football Giants today thirty eight to twenty. And
it was really thirty eight to twelve if not for
a late or thirty eight thirteen if not for a
late touchdown.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
But the Giants in garbage time an tiki.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
This one, to me has to start with the defense
where the Eagles rush in the Well, Eagles go for
four twenty seven overall. Yeah, yeah, But more importantly and
more significantly, they rushed for two hundred and seventy six
yards on eight point four yards per carry. Yeah, I'm
gonna use one impossible. It's impossible to win a game

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if you allow that type of yard is against you
on the gun.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean, look that the Eagles ran for more
yards and the Giants had total net yards. And while
last week we went after a little bit Shane Bowen
and some of the schemes, and it's really the execution
from the defense. It's getting harder and harder to defend
what you're seeing from this Giants defense, especially against a
team that it came into the game averaging three point

(01:36):
four yards per carry. They got gassed on the run.
And as this game went on, John, it felt more
and more like the effort was failing, that the schemes
weren't right, and the Eagles could do whatever they wanted
to do. This game obviously started to get away from
the Giants early in the second half. But the one
thing that is, it's not coach, it's not it's not

(01:59):
scheme's effort. And when you start to see the effort
Wayne on the defensive side of the ball, somebody's got
to take the fall. And this is where it's going
to fall, clearly on Chain Bowen and this in this defense,
they could make the stops they gave up way too
many huge plays in the run game, and that's not
even counting all the things that went wrong offensively.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'll just go through the drives TIKI.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Two plays sixty five yards touchdown, eight plays fifty yards
miss field goal, eleven plays fifty eight yards touchdown.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
The only punt of the game for the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Three plays and they get a four yards in the punt,
seven to fifty three in a touchdown, eleven for forty
five in the field goal, seven for seventy two in
a touchdown, six for seventy three in a touchdown, and
then they run out the clock at the end of
the game. Yeah, it's essentially when you tack on what
happened at the end of the Denver Broncos games, it's
it's basically ten or twelve straight drives by this Giant

(02:50):
defense where opposing offense did whatever they wanted to do
against this team except for the three and out that
you mentioned there.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And I don't even know what to say.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's it's one punt in the last fourteen drives by
the Giants.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And that's just unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's somebody's got to take account for that, and obviously
the players. It ultimately falls on them because they're the
ones that are on the field, uh trying to make
these plays. But at the same time, you got to
put your guys in better positions than what they were
in this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
And it was ugly, man, this is this was a blowout.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
This felt like the Eagles Giants matchups over the last
five or six, seven, ten years, where you just don't
feel like you have a chance.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Early in this game, the Giants responded.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
After the Eagles go down on that sixty five yard
touchdown run by Saquon Barkley, they go, they punt, but
then they get the ball back on that missfield goal
and they make it a game at seven to seven,
and you believe, Okay, this is the Giants team that
we've seen and we know that they can compete. It
just it never felt like it got that way after
midway through the second quarter.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Again, and we were concerned about the past defense with
the absence of Paulson Adiebo, with the absent of Javon Holland.
And now maybe they will have to look back at
the tape and maybe they have light boxes because they're
trying to keep safeties back to cover for the corners.
Of course loses in the game, so that I'm sure
contributes to the struggles in the run game. But up front, linebackers,

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defensive line, these were not small holes that these guys
were running.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now, they were you know, Look, you get the edges
rushing up the field because they're trying to get after
Jalen Hurts, and it creates this massive void coming out
the back side, sometimes even the front side. It's playside
where these massive gaping holes are there. We have two
running backs that run for over one hundred yards. It's
almost inexcusable, especially for a team that hasn't been good

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on the ground this year in the Philadelphia Eagles. And
so there's a there's a there needs to be some
kind of reckoning here. And again, it's one game and
it sucks, but you're on the road in a vision
rival a team that you beat two weeks ago, and
it looks.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like you can't even compete with them this week.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Obviously a lot of this has to do with the
offense losing a big part of its energy. In cam Skataboo,
who goes down with it what's being initially reported as
a dislocated ankle, and it sucks because he's such a
big part of what this Giants team was and what
they were gonna continue to do for the rest of
the season, no matter what their record was. And now
you're without him, and it's gonna fall on Timerld Tracy

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and Devin Singletary to fill that gap, which it's it's
just gonna it's gonna be different. It's gonna be very
different going forward. Then it's then it's been so far
in the Jackson Dark Camp Scataboo era.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And the latest report was that Tracy was rather Scataboo,
rather was being evaluated at the local hospital after that
injury to kind of see what's going on. Obviously, if
you watched it, gruesome, don't don't don't don't search for
it on the internet, folks. It's not fun to look
at where his ankles just kind of pointed the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
That was ugly. Yeah, we'll talk about that and more.
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All the reaction from the locker room. Giants fall to
the Philadelphia Eagles in this one by the final score
of thirty eight to twenty.

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Giants fall to the Philadelphia Eagles in this game thirty
eight to twenty Tiki. We talked about the defense offense. Yeah,
you mentioned the injury to camp Scataboo. Let's kind of
go big picture first with that. Yeah, how does that
change things in your mind for how the Giants approach
this running game?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, and so look, someone's now is gonna fall on
Tyron and Tracy to be the player that he was
a year ago. He was so patient and great at
reading a lot of the schemes and given his offensive
lineman a chance to open up holes for him and
make some big plays in the run game. It is
a big part of his youth and young development a
year year ago. And now it's going to be on

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him to pick this part up of the Giants offense.
We know that they run, want to run the ball
with Jackson Dart at quarterback. They do a lot of
stuff at the line of scrimmage, and if you can
create scenes, it makes it easier for UH and and
get positive yardage in the run game. It makes it
so much easier for the offensive play calling and for
Jackson Dart to execute. I think we saw a little

(07:16):
bit more panicked Jackson Dart this in this game than
we have in his first four starts, holding the ball
a little bit too much, trying to escape the pocket
a little bit too soon at times, and ultimate led
to a.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Lot of mistakes.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
They had five sacks in this game, and most of
those were on Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Let's go down to Brian Dable at the podium.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Ran when they tell you the bumble play, Wan, did you.

Speaker 7 (07:46):
Did you challenge afterwards?

Speaker 8 (07:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (07:48):
I'll just say our guys upstairs were pretty adamant about
challenging to play. Have a lot of trust and faith
in them, and it didn't work out. Not gonna get it,
not gonna get any particular though with it.

Speaker 10 (08:00):
When he initially said you weren't a lot of challenge
that he did again, what were.

Speaker 9 (08:02):
They wrong that you were a lot of challenges Yeah, No,
I I respect, I'm I'm not gonna get into the
particulars of it. Getting got a lot of confidence in
the guys we have upstairs with that stuff, and uh,
it just didn't work out. I'm not gonna get no particulars.

Speaker 11 (08:19):
Scot's injury and the emotional after.

Speaker 9 (08:22):
Thy Yeah, feel absolutely terrible for the young man. Obviously
he saw it or it looked looked bad. You know,
you feel for feel for anybody on your team that
goes down and has a really bad injury. Uh, And
I feel and I know the players feel the same way.

(08:43):
Uh about Scott is he I have not seen him? Uh,
I've I haven't seen him.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
How much injuries?

Speaker 9 (09:02):
Yeah, you have to you have to be ready to
go next man up. So no excuses in that regard.
I never will be right.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
You guys were.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Still in.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Uh yeah, I spread it out there to the right,
and so we had a couple of chances on him
and he made a nice play that was a big one.
That was a big one thirty whatever plus yards. So yeah,
there's a number of those, you know in the run
game that we gotta you know, we just didn't do
a good enough job of.

Speaker 12 (09:43):
Yeah, Pat probably.

Speaker 9 (09:44):
There's a number of things.

Speaker 12 (09:45):
I would say.

Speaker 9 (09:45):
Yeah, it's never just one thing. When you give up
three hundred yards or whatever. It was close to three
hundred yards, could be a call, could be run fit,
could be a mistackle, a number of things. But that
was obviously way too many yards against the team. You
know that we knew, you know, wanted to run the ball. Yeah, yeah,

(10:08):
sixty five yarder.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know they made it.

Speaker 9 (10:13):
They made a nice play, but you know, we gotta
do a better job in never yard. No, No, I
mean they just they caught us in something and ended
up making a big play for a fast start. So yeah,
I'm not gonna comment and on what I think on officials.

(10:35):
They call it and we gotta play it. The little
you're talking about, the little hitch and then he ran
ran with it. Yeah, I mean slaves. You know, it's
good to have Slay back out there, but we just
came up short. But it's good to have him out there.

(11:00):
I think he battles then I think they hit battles
and tries to give you give all the players chances
to make opportunities to make plays, and we had to
do that for him. Are there a couple that you know,
we got sacked on sure, but there's give and take
with part of that play too, of trying to make
some plays and he makes, he makes a number of them,

(11:21):
gets out of some loose plays, keeps his eyes downfield,
gives guys chances down the field with the football. So
you know that that guy battles. No, he's I just
think he's a good young player, basically.

Speaker 13 (11:40):
No.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
I just think they played. I mean they played good.
They got the run game going. You know, I think
we were around fifty on third down somewhere around there. Offensively,
We just we didn't get as many big plays. The
run game was I would just say, okay, on our
end about three and a half yard average, whatever it
may be. And then they ran the ball and they
controlled the game. They had some good field position plays

(12:01):
in the kicking game, and you know, all around play better.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I'm pretty sure that.

Speaker 14 (12:08):
Dead last carrying aloud, why do you think this is?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (12:15):
Again, I would just go back to today, and there's
a number of things again, not good enough.

Speaker 15 (12:27):
Time avoid.

Speaker 9 (12:37):
Well, we'll take a look at the tape and and
learn from it. I know he will. Again, he made
He's made a lot of loose plays to with it,
so you know, we'll take a look at it, learn
from it, and continue to work on it. Yeah, Dex
is given everything he has. Again, it's a it's a
collective deal. Con you know, we all got to be
it can all be better. Dex gives every than he's

(13:00):
got his double team most only on every play. Got
a lot of confidence in decks. So did you see it?

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (13:16):
Yeah, so yeah, the team this. Yeah, I think it
would be a good question for Jackson. I mean they're
football players. I mean football is pretty much one hundred percent.

(13:38):
You know you're gonna get injured at some point in
time when you play. For everybody that's played, whether it's
D three high school, D two, D one pros, it's
a contact sport that you know. Unfortunately, there's there's injury,
and there's usually quite a bit of it. But I
know he's close with Wis Scatt. I'm sure again you'd
have to ask him how he feels. I don't want

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to see how he feels, but I know that you know,
watching Scat go down like that and the injury that
it had, Uh, that's tough. That's always tough on on
everybody involved. No, again, unfortunately, there's injuries in football, and
it happens every week, every game, and you you hate it,
but that's part of the game. You yeah, yeah, I

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just say again, they controlled the line of scrimmage and
that was the major point emphasis and give them credit
for for doing that. And you know, when you when
the team runs for nearly three hundred yards, it's it's
pretty difficult to control the game if you will. And
we missed out on some opportunities.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Just challenges.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Be successful. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
Again, that's that's part of it with with injuries, you're
gonna have them, and you have to figure out different
ways to do different things. That's why we've been using
some two tight end sets and things like that. You know, well,
whoever we have, we'll sit down and we'll put a
game plan together. We think, you know, gives you a
chance and people gotta you know, the guys that are
here we trust.

Speaker 16 (15:26):
Uh Yeah.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
Again, he's a competitive guy. You know, you never want
your quarterback to to get hit, but he's he's a
competitive guy. Led the team down to to try to
finish the game, you know, try to get an onside kick.
But you know, just overall I thought that, you know,
give credit to Philly did a good job of controlling
the game. Brilliant all phases.

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We'll come back here from Jackson Dart on the podium. Well,
all the sound from the locker. That and a whole
lot more when we return. The Giants again fall to
the Philadelphia Eagles by a final score of thirty eight
to twenty.

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Speaker 6 (16:17):
Fourth and Golf to two. Little Jordan Humphrey out to
the right, Robinson to the left, shotgun set for Dark,
Singletary to his left. Dark takes stop. He's gonna run
it up the middle as he faked the toss and
he's in for the touchhouses.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
At number again. Man, this kid's a fighter.

Speaker 9 (16:37):
Man.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
He takes a big shot. He's undeterred.

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you Giants loose the Eagles thirty eight to twenty and Tigi,
I want to talk about some of the things Brian
Dable addressed in his press commons. There we're a waiting
Jackson Dart on the podium as well, and all the
sound from the locker room. And we saw Jackson Dart
take some hits at the end of that game. That's

(17:07):
why I wanted to play that highlight there. We saw
him have a couple of called runs. The Eagles also
over the course of this game, we're all over him
in the backfield. They finished the game with I want
to make sure I have my numbers right. They finished
the game with five sacks and six quarterback hits on
this game. And I want to throw you two numbers
that Pro Football Focus had one the Eagles that I

(17:28):
believe a forty seven percent pressure rate over the course
of this game. But I want to note a different
number because I don't think that's a fair number to
this Giants offensive line. I'm gonna have you take a guess.
What do you think Jackson Dart's average time to throw
us in this.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Game was at least four seconds it was longer three
point six to four, which is astronomically hot. That's right.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
One of the things I started to, you know feel,
as this game went on, is it Mike Kofka needs
to find ways the offensive coordinator to have Jackson Dart
get rid of this ball earlier, whether that was running
more you know, quick wide receiver, squeap screens, more of
this identity that we saw last year in this in
this Brian Dable offense rs RPL.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But not even that.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's just when you see what looks like a man
look on the outside, just throw the go route right,
do something to get the ball out of Jackson Dart's
hands a little bit faster because he took a lot
of sacks.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm not saying that's the reason they.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Lost this game, but it felt like no drive could
get going because so many of those plays were slong
developing and you had these deep, you know, big over
routes and these gos and these complex schemes that just
weren't there and he couldn't see them on the first read,
or not even not that he couldn't see him. The
first read is just not there. And so instead of uh,

(18:46):
you know, checking down or just scrambling right away. He's
extending and extending and extending and extending, and nothing was
coming free for him. And so ultimately you give the
advantage to the Philadelphia Eagles defensively when there's nowhere for
him to go with the football.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
And we talked about a pregame.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Teams and including the Eagles two weeks ago, had been
blitzing Jackson Dart a lot, and that's the book on
rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
You want to blitz them. Hit him up.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And to Jackson Dart's credit, he's done a really nice
job and replacing versus the blitz, getting the ball out quickly,
getting the ball out when he has to. But one
thing we haven't seen him do this year, and the
numbers when you break it down and coverage and stuff
pan out this way, when teams play zone and they
play coverage, Dart has had a tougher time finding guys
open quickly down the field. And in this game, teak

(19:33):
I thought very rarely was it five steps foot down
ball out. There was a lot of holding the ball
off that first designed kind of open player, wasn't there.
There wasn't this quick all right, here's number two, right,
let's go to number three. It was kind of like
a you know that bounce around, you know, copping around,
looking around, and didn't after that first look at it

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wasn't there. Not the ball just was not getting out there.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
For this, the challenge came for You could see it
in Jackson Dart's process is that one wasn't there and
then two he wasn't even necessarily looking at. Tom Brady
said this on the broadcast, and he was so right.
His eyes would go down. So instead of keeping his
eyes downfield, climbing the pocket, being patient with some pressure
around him so you could potentially find that second route,

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he's immediately jumping forward, jumping back, then trying to escape
left or right, and there's no chance for him to
find somewhere to get rid of the ball, whether that's
a check down or him just scrambling for some positive yardage.
And it was kind of the antithesis of what we've
seen in these first you know, the first four other
games that he has played where he's felt so in

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control and the pocket. And I think part of that,
John is because their run game is not nearly the
same without Cam Scataboun and this isn't a knock on
Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
He ran hard. They put him on the edges a
little bit too much for my liking.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
They had some success running those gap schemes where they
had pullers, you know, getting out in front of Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
They needed to do a.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Little bit more of that so that they could stay
regular on their run game. And when you don't do
that and then you're down by a lot of points,
you just play right into a good defense's hands. And
that's what felt like. Continue to evolve and develop as
this game went.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
On, and I think you hit a point there along
your way their tiki.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
The Giants have been so good at the start of
the game.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The last four weeks since Darts taken over, they've played
with a lot of leads. Yes, and this was the
first time that Dart was consistently playing down multiple scores
and then and Brian Dable used this expression a lot
during his press conference. The Eagles weren't controlled of this game.
Everything was being dictated by them.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well, them and the officials. He won't criticize the officials.
And with fishing, eating was bad in this game. Yes,
I don't want to get to that.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
In a second.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
But the impact that has on a quarterback when it's
not balanced, you can't run it. You can't, you know,
all right, on this possession, we'll running on a second eight.
If we get negative y rds, we have to punt that.
It's okay when you're down two score. You can't approach
it that way. Yeah, you almost right.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
You're almost looking for the hero play every every single
every single drive, and football doesn't doesn't work that way,
especially against good teams. And I know we've we've had
some negative thoughts or perceptions of this Eagles team despite
their five and two now six and two records, But
they're a good team. Every now and then, they'll they'll

(22:23):
they'll have a fault. They lost to the Giants two
weeks ago, they lost to the Denver Broncos the.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Week before that.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
But there's still six and two, even when they have
played ugly, they've been in almost all of their games.
And so when you give a good team a lead
and then they can tee off on you, it gets
really hard to find success and to find that I
don't know that that that that that come from behind mentality,
especially for a young quarterback. And all was look this

(22:50):
is like this is a learning experience for Jackson Dart.
He'll learn not to take as many sacks as he
did in this game and and hopefully give himself a
chance to make it a game in the fourth quarter.
I think part way through the second quarter it almost
felt like this thing was getting away from from him
and this offense from a from a play calling and
scheme perspective.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
All right, let's take a quick time out. We'll come back.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
We're still wedding on Jackson Dark We'll get into the
officiating that and a whole lot more. Right after this,
the Giants again faulted the Eagles thirty eight to twenty.

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We'll go fourth and eleven, the Giant thirty two crawling
by eighteen nine seven ago in the game, dark back deep.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Ball, white side.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Put on the run by Darius Slayton.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
He's to the ten, to the five, and he's in
for the touchdown.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
They got a flag rag where he separated from the defender.

Speaker 17 (24:02):
Pass interference offense number eighteen ten yard on the previous
lit on fourth, fourth and eleven from the Giant thirty
two yard line, they just called off interference.

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Well, Bob and Carl's reaction kind of says it all.
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Speaker 2 (24:24):
Giants fall to the Eagles thirty eight to twenty and tiki.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
They were calls that went both ways in this game.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
By the way, us A Jackson dard that he looked
like it should have been a fumble got overturned to
Nickeleplee pass, but they called Kaevon Thibodeau the officials on
a off side penalty when on replay was pretty clear
Jordan my Lota moved on, the player was.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
A lean Johnson. I think it was my lot of
he moved on. The players left.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Then earlier in the game you also had the Tush
push where looked like there was a false start, and
worse than that is that it should have been a
strip and fumble recovery from Kaevon Thibodeau. Somehow, while Jalen
Hurts is still gaining yards and his knee is on
the ground, they called ford progress.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
He is not on the ground.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
It is not, as it was not on the ground
and he was still moving forward.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
They called him.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
They pulled the play dead due to forward progress. That's
not a reviewable play, so Brian Dable has to challenge.
For that challenge to be successful, the ball has to
come out literally at first contact.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Which it did not.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
But just overall, both coaches very upset at different point
to this game.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
This was a very This was a poorly officiated game,
somewhat so that the broadcast was talking about it about
how they're not having quite an all Pro day from
an officiating standpoint. But the touchdown that was called back
that we just played to Darius Slayton, it was an
example of Jackson Dart doing what we were just alluding to,
seeing a read. The Eagles had were playing a two

(25:45):
high look, so it looked like there was a cloud
coverage over top of Darius Slayton. But at the snap
of the ball they rotated into a single high look
and Quinnon Mitchell and Darius Slayton are manna. Man is
just a go route your best against our best, and
the ball was perfectly thrown by Jackson Dart. Now was
their hand fighting going on? Of course, Mitchell is holding

(26:06):
Darius Slayton's arm and then he's holding his jersey and
you get a little bit of a push off and
the hand up near the chest by Darius Slayton.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
To me, that's a play that you just you don't call.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
You let that one go because both guys are kind
of at faull and not that it was game changing
in any way, but it's a big play and an
example of how poorly this game was officiated. And when
they go back and I'm sure grade this one grades
which we will not ever find out about, it's not
gonna be a positive one because there was so much
bad for both sides.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
That happened in this game.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I understand visually if you're an official watching that slatons
like it. There is jarring separation late in the route
that looked unnatural, so I understand why they throw the flag.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
But usually unless you.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Get really an extended arm there, they're not gonna call it.
And to your point, Mitchell's also grabbing the georgy. Then
call it both ways called offensive defensive, then replayed the down, yeah,
and anything like that, and again, but the bigger plays
he was the first half one, of course, on the
tush push and they continue to fail to be able
to officiate that play properly, whether it's false starts or
forward progress, whatever it is, they have not been able

(27:12):
to officiate that play properly this year.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, it's almost it's almost going to have to become
a play that's officiated from not on the field, because
you're not seeing the false starts, you're not seeing the
action that happens around or at the snap of the ball,
the false starts, et cetera. It's always going to be
positive yard. They're always going to get that yard. And

(27:36):
mostly Jalen Hurts does a really good job of just
getting behind his ball, his pads, getting behind his offensive
lineman and diving into the pile. But on this particular one,
he's diving into the pile, reaching the ball forward and.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Caveon Thibodeau takes it away from him.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
So how that's not a fumble doesn't make sense to me,
And because it's not reviewable, there's no way to debate it.
So to me, this is going that's the that play
maybe in particular, is going to go to the Competition
committee at some point and you're gonna look at it
and say, how is this a play where the player
is still moving, He's not down by contact forward progress.

(28:14):
Has it not been stopped because he's still moving forward?
How is that not a fumble?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
And by the way, that's why coaches tell players, unless
you're at the goal line, you do not reach the
ball forward. I want to get to Darius Slayton here.
We have him in the locker roo match of the game.
I'm sure he was asked about that play, and more so,
let's go to Slayton come that.

Speaker 18 (28:30):
I mean not to make an excuse for it, but
I mean, how hard is that the deal with?

Speaker 10 (28:33):
Yeah, I mean it's certainly not ideal, and you come
in with a game playing you know, certain guys expect
to play. But at the end of the day, we
have a lot of good football players on this team.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
And guy goes down. We have to pickful guys that
should be able to go and thank at the job.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, Darius's.

Speaker 12 (28:49):
Kind of.

Speaker 10 (28:52):
I wouldn't say it was a step back, and you
certainly probably weren't quite a shot a recent memory, but
I wouldn't say it was a step back. We just
there's just a few plays out there that we need
to make.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
So anything the Eagles did.

Speaker 18 (29:03):
I mean, I know the first game you didn't play in,
but just looking at the film of the first game
to now, like what kind of adjustment that they make
that made it hark you guys said that.

Speaker 10 (29:10):
Maybe, Yeah, they switched up some coverages from the first
time around. They played a little bit, a little bit
a lot more of different coverages than they did the
first time.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
So good on them.

Speaker 10 (29:19):
But you know, at the same time, we had a
place that you could have beat them with.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
We just got to execute better and.

Speaker 10 (29:22):
Beat them up after beating out there in catching the injury,
how did that first catch the field that lets in touchdown? Yeah,
it felt good, you know, be able to get back
into it and get tackled that first time and get
that first going back and kind of get the jitters.

Speaker 12 (29:35):
Off here where you want to pitch on it off?

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Can you either come Brown Road or not?

Speaker 18 (29:43):
What's what's sort of the just the mental save this
team after last week's loss and then dealing with the
injuries today. I mean, like, you know, I know, it's
just another game, but I mean it's you know, you
guys aren't robots out here, right, Like a lot you're
dealing with yeah.

Speaker 12 (29:54):
I mean it's definitely not ideal.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
We want to win, it's fighting to win. We're trying
to find waste win and I believe that we will
find race win which had the keys, and keep working
and keep going.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And I do want to point out he was not
asked about that particular player during the media availability.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Uh, there were a couple of players people don't want
to criticize. Don't ask me. I don't want to get fined.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Correct move if you're Darius, absolutely right. There were two
players are in this game that we talked about.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I believe it was at halftime. You add THEO.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Johnson have a little wheel route down the left side
line that he was unable to come down with him Hana.
Darius had one himself down the right sideline, where again
he tries to create late separation with a little bit
of a push off on that dude does not get called,
goes up with one hand.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
He could have come down with that ball either taking Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
No, And so that the one down the right sideline,
the earlier one that you were talking about, he again
it was hand ringing, it was hand fighting. Uh, he's
he's trying to get free, he's getting somewhat held, his
arm is up in the defender's face. He tries to
one hand it. The only complaint I have with that
is you're not a one hand ball catcher. That's just

(30:55):
not his skill set. So if you're gonna do that,
you have to fight as hard as you can to
get both hands out in front of you so you
can make that catch. And if you make that catch,
I mean maybe at that point it changes the momentum
somewhat in the favor of the New York Giants. But
that was another incompletion on third down that it forced
the Giants offense to stagnate again, and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Took advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
They had no qualms with just like methodically moving a
ball over and over and over again, whether it was
with the throws, quick throws, digs across the middle, running
the ball with Saquan until he tweaked his hamstring or
groin or whatever it was, and then with Tank Bigsby,
who also ran for one hundred yards. It was just

(31:37):
it was a poor defensive effort all the way around,
I think, scheme wise and effort wise, and if there
was one big culprit in this game, defensively it was
Darius Muissau on the sixty five yard run. He didn't
get outside and forced that play back inside. He allowed
himself to be doubled off of the block from the
Eagles left side of that offensive line, and then a

(31:57):
mistackle in the backfield.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Is just so much much.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Lack of execution that is frustrating when you're seeing it
in real time, and even more so when you get
your butt kicked as bad as the Giants did.

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Speaker 2 (32:42):
Here on Giants extra point. Giants fall to the Broncos.
Giants fall to the Philaelpha Eagles point. We're watching the
Bronco game on a red zone right here, thirty eight
to twenty to the Philadelphia Eagles in Philadelphia. Giants still
have not beaten the Eagles in Philly since that twenty
thirteen season. We're gonna hear from Jackson Dordan just a
little bit, but first let's go to Philly.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Waiting for the buses down there to depart.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Is Paul Datino and Paul obviously a game that was
diametrically opposite of what we saw two weeks ago, where
the Giants had that were with the Eagles. It was
the complete opposite way here where the Eagles dominating in
every way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Did we lose Paul? All right? We will try to
get Paulatino back up.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
We cannot hear him Johns sh Maulctiki Barber here on
Giants extra point.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, but you said, I mean it was a This
was a deflating loss if you're the New York Giants,
because you believed, because you just beat him, that you
could play a tight game with the Eagles, and from
the very beginning it felt like it got away from
you in the run game. The one thing that you
couldn't do was allow this run game, which has been
stagnant for the Eagles for much of the first seven games,

(33:50):
to start to explode. And from the very beginning you
knew it was going to be somewhat of a long day.
After sakwarm barkley sixty five yard touchdown and then ultimately
he goes over one hundred yards before for half and
then they rush for in total two hundred and seventy
six yards, which is a beat down.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
All right, now we have pulled it, you know down
in Philly.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
My understanding, Paul, that is that you're trying to hide
from some hostile Philly fans down there.

Speaker 8 (34:12):
No, I you know what it is. Whenever the Giants
come down here, things go wrong, including the cell signal
outside the bus here. I'm just good. I didn't get
right over yet. But I will tell you this, John,
in reference to what you said about the domination, you're right,
and I think at the start of third quarter, the
Giants get that second half kickoff, which was part of
their plan to defer, and at that point it's twenty

(34:34):
one to ten. Eagles have been in pretty good control.
You know. The Giants already have the second quarter injury
to Scatterbreo, and they had to overcome that situation mentally
and emotionally. And they come and they go three and out,
and what do the Eagles do. They go right back
down the field and they tack on another field goal.
I thought, right there, if you had any thoughts about

(34:55):
the Giants trying to plug the dam, turn the tide,
maybe maybe get little bit of momentum, they were gonna
have to do something coming right out of the gate
in the third quarter, and they failed to do so.
In fact, that fury started with a sack. Yeah, and
that that really that really told you that Philly was
in control.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
It was demoralizing in a lot of ways. I think
the biggest demoralizing factor, though, was the Cam Skataboo injury.
We don't have much of an update. I know, uh,
you know, Paul obviously it's it's being reported as a
dislocated ankle. So his season is done and hopefully his
recovery is good. But what did you did you get
a sense of a sinking, a downness by this team
because of this Camp Scataboo injury. You know Paul just

(35:34):
as well as anybody that he's been the the generator,
the catalyst in the energy for for a lot of.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
The you know this Jackson dart Era, Yeah, there's no
question about a tiki. Everybody tried to say the right thing.
You know, next man up, you gotta step up, you
gotta be resilient. Everybody in that locker room just now,
which of course is very upset, try to put on
the best game face they could, because nobody wants to
use an exclusive, nobody wants a pretty party and say,

(36:01):
oh no, you know why me? Nobody wants to do that.
These guys are pros. They have pride, and I know
you understand where they're coming from. That you could also
see by their face and by their body language they're
feeling the gut punch. And this time it's not necessarily
just about a loss in which they performed very poorly.
It's also about losing a guy who right now has

(36:24):
been one of the kegs of dynamite that's given this
team some hope. And I'll be honest, I mean Tylerne Tracy.
I just got done talking to him and It hurt
him immensely, he said as Tho as he went down
right away. I played Ian, this is a guy who's
not only your teammate, but he's in that running backs role.
You know how he felt?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, Paul, the other thing that's got to be demoralizing,
aside from the injury, When you give up two hundred
and seventy six rushing yards on thirty three carries for
an eight years four yard per carry average, it's.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Almost impossible to win the football game.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We have not gotten any audio or sound yet from
from Dann and Philly, from anyone on.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
The defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
So what has been said from the guys and the
team leaders on defense as to why the Eagles, as
Tiki has put it so far in this post game,
basically were able to do whatever they wanted offensively in
this game.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
Well, John, I did talk to Bobbiokara Kay and the
dexter Lawrence, and both of those guys said, simply part
that the Eagles just had man for man blocking. They
took care of business. They made it a one on
one and a one on one kind of game where
their blocks. Well, yeah, on each of the Giants guys
and nobody was filling gaps, nobody was shedding blocks. Both

(37:32):
guys said it was everybody's fault, from the defensive line
to the linebackers to the secondary because after all, you
can't get gash like that unless the entire defense is
not doing its job. And they and they both said
that they understood that this was a complete total defensive
collapse against the run. And they you know what was
their answer, Well, we got to fix it. You know,

(37:54):
we got to come back next week. What else are
they going to say, Yeah, you can't talk about this
stuff after it happens, too, Yeah, after it happened. But
it did happen. And I'll say one thing. We talked
about this during the pregame show. And yes, there were
a few big runs that went behind the tackles. But
then immediately the guy cut outside and all of a sudden,
we're seeing a turnabexper yardage as guys are scooting down

(38:16):
the sideline. We set down the pregame. You can't let
them go outside like that. That's going to be a killer, right,
it was.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, that's exactly what their game plan was. You saw
a lot of that stuff happening to the edges and
you know what was most discouraging about it is that
you'd see two defenders in the same spot. Neither one
of them was forcing the play back inside. They were
both playing the inside leverage on the runner, and the
runner was consistently able to get to the edge and

(38:46):
make big play after big play after big play. That's
including on that second and what was it twenty six
where they ran a draw with Tank Bigsby and he
picks up twenty nine yards. The same thing starts in
the middle of the field, contain as bad, he gets
to the edge and picks up a humongous first down.
Then I don't want to say put the game away,
but that kind of run made me feel like this

(39:09):
giant effort wasn't there defensively to even try to attempt
to come back against the Eagles on the road.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Speaking, anytime we're running back, sees nobody in front of him,
and he's down the sideline. He knows he's gonna get
a big chuck. It's just that simple. They better be
somebody over there. And you know it was just time
and time again the Giants failed to steal that edge,
and you know they played for it.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Anything else in the locker room, Paul, that we should
know before we let you go and you get on
that bush right.

Speaker 8 (39:40):
At the moment, I think Jackson Dott was was late
with his crushers, so I don't even know if you
guys were able to get any audio on him. I
had planning that I didn't get a chance to talk
to him, but I could tell by his body language
in front of his locker he was picking this one
pretty hard. The guys guys in the motion a fireball,

(40:01):
and when you lose, and then you lose a terrific
teammate like Scataboo, who he's incredibly close with. I only
wish I had a chance to talk to him, but
I'm sure he's hurting right now.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Paul. Have a safe trip home, my friend. Thanks for
the time.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
Thank you, John. We'll see tomorrow and we will.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Hear from Jackson Dart in just a minute. So let's
take a time out. We'll come back. We'll hear from
Jackson Dart. Talk about it Giants again, Fall to the
Eagles thirty eight to twenty. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
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Speaker 20 (40:30):
This is Jackson Dart and you're listening to Giants Football
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Speaker 6 (40:42):
Now the Giants are in the red zone. Nine of
their eleven red zone touchdownsers come with Dard at quarterbacks
first to ten in the eighteen guard in a shotgun set,
Eagles break pressure, Dark throws one left wide open.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Scattabu makes the catch and for the touchdown.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
That touchdown by camp Scataboo unfortunately could be the last
touchdown for Skataboo this year. That was the culmination of
a six play fifty two yard for the Giants that
tied this game for seven in the first quarter, and
it was.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
The scoring drive of the game. Brought to you by Citizens.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
For every scoring drive this season, Citizens will donate seven
hundred and fifty dollars to the Giants Foundation to support
their work tackling important community issues, improving overall health and
empowering our youth. That pass came from Jackson Dart, who
did address the media after the game on the podium.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Let's listen in Jack.

Speaker 12 (41:37):
Dad, Yeah, I was devastated.

Speaker 20 (41:44):
It's my boy man, so seeing him go down and
obviously like reacting to what happened and that just that sucks.
It's the worst part of this camp.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Did you say anything?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Can you say anything to him?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (42:06):
Of course, what point you said, i'm'a keeps up turning us?

Speaker 4 (42:11):
How doust?

Speaker 10 (42:11):
You guys just try to keep playing and obviously it's football.

Speaker 21 (42:13):
Was just how up was it?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Just for that drive to try to keep going.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
After losing scab?

Speaker 12 (42:20):
I mean, you know during you know, him getting t
carted off.

Speaker 20 (42:25):
Uh, it's emotional, s but you try to go back
in the huddle and try to uh just reload and uh,
you know, just try to go down the score.

Speaker 22 (42:35):
Did you feel a lot of past year playing in
the class, No, not at all.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
All those ships to keep losing weapons, right, I mean
you're lose believe now, Cam, I mean obviously make.

Speaker 13 (42:51):
You much helper for you guys.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
You can't lose to you just play biggas.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
What's that been like for you?

Speaker 12 (42:58):
Try not to think of it like that.

Speaker 20 (43:01):
You know, I gotta keep making plays and you know,
do my job to put our team in the best situation.
You know, obviously it's not ideal and it stings, and.

Speaker 12 (43:16):
You know there's more.

Speaker 20 (43:16):
People in the rotation, but uh, you know, I got
I gotta be better too and making more plays and
you know, putting us in a good situation to win.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
You just played that two weeks ago.

Speaker 21 (43:28):
What did they do different matchup?

Speaker 12 (43:31):
They did a good job. They did a good job.
It did a really good job.

Speaker 20 (43:35):
Just kind of changed it up on us from what
they did game one and they played sound and yeah,
I thought that, you know, they had a they had
a good plan for us coming into the game offensively
and defensively. So you you definitely gotta give them credit
for for their plan.

Speaker 17 (43:55):
Take in the second half to sort of want to
keep you in the Yeah, kept.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Their outside guys, Why how much did you do?

Speaker 14 (44:03):
Said and that change any career?

Speaker 20 (44:06):
Uh, I just think that's just kind of what the
plan is for most teams going forward.

Speaker 13 (44:10):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (44:11):
The Broncos did it too, So yeah, they stayed disciplined
in their gaps, and.

Speaker 12 (44:17):
Yeah, I just thought that they played They played a
good game.

Speaker 23 (44:19):
The pla the what did you show what you should
already get into the people as well, just about be
getting with stay in the battle and that just shoot
with your whole offense to get in the whole team,
staying in the battle and keeping them blake.

Speaker 24 (44:33):
Going as keep going.

Speaker 20 (44:35):
Nuh, I'm not ever gonna quit. I don't care what
the situation is. If I'm on that field, I'm playing
as hard as i can. So I'm go'na try to
lead the best that I can.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (44:45):
I have the same expectation every time we go out
on the field, and try to preach that to the guys,
so you know when when when we step through the lines,
we should be competing and and playing as hard as
we can every time.

Speaker 25 (44:58):
Actually set gumps okay, team meets uh one Dale said today, Yeah,
you can tell how much Jackson hates to lose. You're
new here, some of your teammates have experienced a lot
of losers here. How does that mentality you have to
maybe needs the transcendence of every book.

Speaker 20 (45:16):
Well, we gotta start figuring out ways to win because
I do I I I hate it and I'm not
used to it and.

Speaker 12 (45:24):
I'm not I'm not just gonna accept it.

Speaker 20 (45:26):
I'm not gonna be okay with it, and we as
a team can't be okay with it, and.

Speaker 12 (45:32):
Uh, we gotta figure figure this out.

Speaker 14 (45:35):
Definitely be seen right now, but as annoying or emotional
game in a way.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Basically about this game that they made Smathers, is there
anything to that?

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Is that about this one?

Speaker 16 (45:47):
That just that's the team?

Speaker 24 (45:48):
You know, a little bitter?

Speaker 20 (45:52):
I felt like, honestly, I felt like we kind of
got Tryna trying to say it's not way. I thought
they did just a lot more things better than we
did in a lot of areas. And I don't like

(46:14):
the feeling of I thought they really kind of dominated
most of the game, and it's kind of it's it's
an embarrassing feeling. So that's just kind of how I feel.
And it's just it's it's frustrating because you know, I
felt confident coming into this game, and you know, I felt,

(46:38):
you know, obviously extra motivated because of how things happened
last last week, and you know, I really, you know,
didn't want one to lead to another. So just you know,
disappointed that we lost.

Speaker 26 (46:52):
Could be weeks were to be last week ago.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
How are you how you managed the loads.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Yourn right now? Uh?

Speaker 20 (46:59):
I mean the whole you know, it just motivates everybody more,
you know, throughout the whole facility.

Speaker 12 (47:04):
You know, it's just it's not just the players, it's
not just.

Speaker 20 (47:07):
The coaches, it's it's everybody so I hope everybody you know,
can be more and more motivated to get better, to
try to take you know, another step in your preparation
and how you lead. And uh, you know that goes
for me too. You know, I have to take accountability
because you know, I need to be way better. And
you know, fair or unfair, a quarterback is judged by

(47:28):
you know, your wins and losses. So we gotta we
got we gotta bounce back. And I feel confident in
the guys, and uh, you know that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Want who said.

Speaker 12 (47:44):
It is a feeling, well, this is this is all
fresh so.

Speaker 20 (48:01):
And I'll you know, I'm still going to be frustrated,
you know, tomorrow about it. But like I said, I
hope it's just motivating for everybody. It's going to be
motivating for me to be better. And uh, I mean
overall feeling is I just I hate losing, and everybody
here hates losing.

Speaker 12 (48:18):
And we got to figure out how to start winning.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
And that's Jackson Dardy after the game and Ticky he
does not like to lose, and he has lost the
co He lost some games at all Miss, he lost
some games LA this year.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
But for the most part, they were very competitive, close games.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
This is probably and I have to go back and
look at his look at his college game log, but
ole Miss has been very good. I doubt they had
many games where they got absolutely dominated from.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Start to finish. This is probably a little bit of
a different feeling for Jackson.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Oh, it definitely is. And look, some of it is
obviously on him and the offense because they just couldn't
generate anything consistently and their drives were short. But really
it feels like this falls on the other side. I
know we started this postgame talking about the unforgivable and
they with which his defense played and how you know,

(49:03):
I don't know, Shane Bowen is going to take a
lot of the criticism here. But in the second half,
the Eagles had three possessions that they scored on. They
effectively had the ball for majority of the second half.
A long seventy two yard drive after it was twenty
four to thirteen, then a long six place seventy three

(49:27):
yard drive, all resulting in touchdowns. So if there was
ever going to be a moment then you needed the
defense to step up and make a play.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And it's when you keep just getting punched in the
face offensively and then defensively, you just can't get off
the field.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
You're not winning those games.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
As we talked a couple of weeks ago about how
complimentary football this Giants team felt like, it didn't feel
like that at all. Today either side didn't take care
of their business.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
A six and a half minute time of possession advantage
for the Eagles in this game because that Giant defense
could not manage to get off the field, only forced
again one punt today. They gave up five consecutive scores
on the last five drives of the game last week.
So you're looking at basically one punt in the last
thirteen or fourteen possession and I'm.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Looking on to count that last in the game possession.

Speaker 21 (50:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
That's bad. It's just that's bad. It's not good. You
can't you can't justify it.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And one of the leaders on the defense is Brian Burns.
He's always very thoughtful after every game. I want to
hear him before we say goodbye to our network today.
Here's Brian Burns in the locker room match of this loss.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Miss tackles gat.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
Other than that, they were just really John like you know, mutralize.

Speaker 12 (50:37):
Job, mutuli, beutl d line.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
You know a lot of pinning pull actually, you know,
being on the perimeter find like creasing.

Speaker 27 (50:44):
Hold and defense.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Let me know, so we gotta make those It's a
tough job to do.

Speaker 12 (50:51):
It is better better, I mean it's easy to say
it than dang.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
We gotta make these plays.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
What we talk about?

Speaker 21 (50:57):
Actually, what did you think of that?

Speaker 14 (51:00):
From a home like that?

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Like, what do you guys supposed to do that?

Speaker 12 (51:04):
I ain't really be fine yet.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
The resumate they call, you know, it is tricky.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
You know s.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Two well two weeks ago, you know, they allow them
to push.

Speaker 14 (51:15):
The power and now you know you stop the surge
and and they go to whistle quick and you know
teams had to have good play by getting the ball out.
I really feel like that should have been a turnover.

Speaker 23 (51:26):
Wow, you know it's uh a problem.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It's art your hoodium make weird call?

Speaker 26 (51:32):
Don't that the biggest problem with that with defending that
play like you don't yeah, you don't not even gonna
call it, Like you can stop the surge and they
can allow it to keep pushing or you know what
I'm saying, Like it's just it's just tough, Like it's
just I don't know, some weird play.

Speaker 28 (51:47):
All last door, Like you say, stay on spec student
sits again, then let's feel the same kind of other
years or last year, or it's a more hope it's
for some other reasons.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Uh, my company is gonna remain the same. Like I said,
I cheat every week.

Speaker 14 (52:02):
As in his own weak You know, we beat we
beat beat 'em convincently two weeks ago, and today was
a different story.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
You know, hats off to them.

Speaker 14 (52:10):
They did a good job of their game playing, good
job of the execution. Uh, we just gotta get back
to our fundamentals and we gotta make these plays.

Speaker 12 (52:16):
Man co collectively did this whole team.

Speaker 28 (52:19):
You can take a step back to theay, this is
not the kind of game we've played very author this year.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
Yeah, I would say, I mean I feel like we
we did struggle on all phases of the game. You know,
I can I'm only gonna speak for the defense though.
Today defense gotta ask for so uh, I hope, I
hope everybody take that, take that with a chip on
the show and then you know, get back and allowed
a few of them.

Speaker 12 (52:42):
You know, So it's a halfway mark, you got double
the sacks. Do you take a personal pride at all
in what you're doing?

Speaker 14 (52:53):
You know, I'm I'm I'm I'm happy for uh, you know,
as the fast start I ever had at my career.
I mean for my career, you know, any see one.
You know, I'm happy for that. But you know it
still doesn't feel the void of losing, you know. But
you know, I'm just continued to contribute the way I
can and you know a lot of sacks will following
my way, you know, And I'm gonna just keep playing home.

Speaker 29 (53:12):
It's not easy to win a major award when you
do the team with the defensive player in the year.

Speaker 12 (53:18):
That means something?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Did I mean that?

Speaker 30 (53:20):
You know?

Speaker 14 (53:22):
And the way you formed that question is it's true, sadly,
but you know, I can only do what I can do,
and you know I would have calls how can casts
fall and how they fall?

Speaker 4 (53:32):
But at least I know I have no regrets that
end of the season.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
So I don't think too much about him.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
That's Brian Burns after the game, tiaky and clearly he
knows the defense and not pull their weight today.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
No he didn't, and look he had another sack.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I don't know if he's still the leader, because there's
been a lot of sacks in the NFL today, but
it's his tenth sack of the season that he had,
and he's been dominant. He's been doing his part in
so many ways, and as a defensive leader, he's saying
the right things and he's trying to keep this team confident.
But it gets discouraging when you have a game like that.
We're on the road against the Eagles, a team you

(54:05):
think you can beat, and you just you don't give
any kind of defensive resistance to an offense in Philly
that had been struggling. Now, with that being said, the
Eagles kind of broke out last week and part of
that was just a couple of big plays.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
But that's what got the Giants today. Big plays and
big plays.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
In the run game ended up opening it up for
the Eagles to where it made it really easy to
get in behind some of their run stop schemes, and
DeVante Smith took huge advantage.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Of that for a lot of this game.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And you just five plays of twenty five yards and
more back.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I mean, you can't have big plays like that over
and over again. Against against a good defense and a
good offense like the Eagles. You're gonna lose those kind
of games every single time.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Three of the five were run plays.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Then you had the deep pass of Johan Dotts in
for forty yards in the touchdown, and you had the
pass over the middle to Devonte Smith for twenty yea.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And it's hard to blame How can you blame Corey
b You do because obviously you're in position to make
a play, your head is around.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
You defended it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It was a double move down the sideline to Johan Dotson.
You don't get fooled by the double move. You get
your head around and he goes up over top of
you and makes a ridiculous catch for the defining I
guess the ending nailing the Coffin touchdown. But Corey Black
has played how many snaps did he play today? Those
his first snaps he's played in the NFL in his career.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Absolutely right, all right, Please stick with us if you're
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Speaker 1 (55:34):
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Speaker 2 (55:43):
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Speaker 1 (56:03):
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Speaker 2 (56:10):
Pregame on our network is at noon for Tiki Barber
for Bopop, Carl Banks, Howard Cross, Paul Detino, I am
John Schmalk, our entire crew, excellent job. Today the Giants
again fall to the Philadelphia Eles in this game thirty
eight to twenty. We'll see you next week, everybody, but

(56:32):
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Speaker 1 (56:46):
We'll have some more sound from the locko. We have
Dexter Lawrence, we have one Del Robinson, we.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Have Jermaine and Luminar with who from all of them
will continue to break this one down with you right
here on the fan.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
This is Dexon one is the second and you're listening
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Speaker 6 (57:15):
Snap drops back to throw under pressure from Carter and
then hit behind.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
The line and dropped.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
The team sacked there.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Yeah, I mean Carter, Thibodeau and burn and Lawrence got
I don't even know who gets credit for that.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
All four youths of Linemon were there.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Play fake hurts back to grow, bounces to his life,
bounces to his lap, bounces back some more, and Brian
Burns gets sacked number ten, all the way back at
the thirty five yard line.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
That first sack, by the way, was split between Dexter
Lawrence and Darius Alexander, also a sacks for Rakeem Nuniaz
Road chest Ryan Burns had another sack and then Bobbio
character had a sack in this game for you, the
Giants four on the ball game, John Schmolty Barber back
with you on Giants extra point.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Giants fall to the Eagles thirty eight to twenty.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Let's want to take one moment because earlier today, the
New York Jets announced the passing of They're All Pro,
two time All Pro, seven time Pro Bowl Center Ring
of Honor member Nick Mangold, and our thoughts and prayers
go out to the Mangold family, the Jets family as well.
And in a fitting fashion after a horrendous start to
this season, the Jets scored thirty nine points and won

(58:27):
today against the Cincinnati Bengals, and I think it's appropriate
to just tip a cap to the Jets for honoring
and by winning one of their great great players and
rest in peace, Nick Mangold. He was a great man
in the community and obviously a fantastic.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Jet in his long career there and being an offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Whoever, Nick Mangoles is right now watching that game to
see his team rush for two hundred and fifty four
yards definitely made him small. Our thoughts in prayers to
the Jets family, his family tragically at the age of.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Forty one, losing Nick Mangold way way too. So absolutely tragic.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
All right, let's go back down into the locker room
after the game, Dexter Lawrence had a chance to address
the media.

Speaker 7 (59:08):
Game and at least penalized team for sure because it
gives it a second win.

Speaker 30 (59:14):
You know, so you don't want to get on apologies
to each good question, but such.

Speaker 7 (59:26):
I mean, we got a lot of a lot of
guys that lead on this team, and my prayers go
and I hope you have whatever it is, you know,
it goes love, but you step up.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
The guys that.

Speaker 13 (59:40):
After together get.

Speaker 27 (59:48):
No.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
I want to say that they just came out and
played and we didn't make enough plays and.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Scored and they was on top.

Speaker 22 (59:58):
Des How frustrating is it for guys you probably themselves
on top of the run?

Speaker 10 (01:00:01):
How propreating is it when the team does kind of
what they did, just getting this chunk yard plays so often?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah, it's just really frustrating. Yeah, we just got you better.
While he as a role in this, you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Know, as a hunit man, you're taking if it's not
just the front guys who stuff is runners, everybody the
electric boat who stuff to run And we didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Get the job.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Every challenge.

Speaker 27 (01:00:25):
Seminas how much defferene.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
I mean, it's it's cool to flush, you know, the
flush a loss and you got a game the next week,
So I mean, this is part of the business.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
You know, it's about week.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
I mean, you still practice on the bout week, so
you ain't really too much at taking care of anything.
But it's it's part of the game.

Speaker 12 (01:00:46):
You guys have been resilient. You've taken some punches this year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
You've been resilient.

Speaker 26 (01:00:51):
Is there a limit to teams resiliency or do you
walk in there on you know, this week and say,
you know what, here we go.

Speaker 12 (01:00:58):
No, we just gotta win in the next week, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
And we talked ticky about the importance of this defense
bouncing back after such a poor fourth quarter performance last week.
Fair to say they did not bounce back from that performance.
We talked about the start of the post game for
the folks that weren't with us. When you watched it,
you saw this game get broken down. The Eagles overall
in this game at four hundred and twenty seven yards

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of offense, but worse than that, the two hundred and
seventy six yards in the ground eight point four yards
per carry. And this was not like quarterback runs either.
This was running back runs, breaking tackles, mistackles. Also plays
where they were just gaping holes as well, where there
was a lot of room for them to operate and
make big plays down the field. We mentioned three rushes
of twenty five yards or more in this game. What

(01:01:40):
did you see on this defense?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
What was the problem? Then we'll get to the plaint Well,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
A lot of it was just the angles to getting
to the holes the phills, And we mentioned this earlier
on the post game. There were a ton of plays
where you'd see two guys in the same position and
then they're chasing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Well, neither one of them has contained and so when that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You just you create the leverage for the running back
to find space on the corners and give the Eagles credit.
I think it was part of their game plan to
get to the edges. We kind of talked in the
pregame about how the way to attack the Eagles because
of those two big guys and in the middle of
their defense Jalen Carter who was back and Jordan Davis,
was to run to the edges. Well, the Eagles did

(01:02:22):
the exact same thing to the Giants just a lot
more effectively and for a lot more explosive plays. The
thing that started to show its head late in this game,
and this is I hate to see this. It felt
like an effort issue. There was Tank Bisbee, who also
ran for over one hundred yards one hundred and four
on nine carries, eleven point six yards per carry. He

(01:02:42):
was just breaking and running through tackles. And that effort
is that lack of effort is something that is just
it's not acceptable. You can't allow that to exist within
your defensive room. And I'm sure this week when they
go back and watch this tape, that's what's going to
be emphasized.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
You got to show the effort. It cost you nothing
and it takes zero kind of talent.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
It just had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
You just have to put the effort in.

Speaker 11 (01:03:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I just want to kind of dig in on that
effort word because I think that could be a loaded
ward depending on how fans think about it. Right, this
wasn't guys not trying, no loafing. It was just the
Eagles being more physical than the Giants and breaking time.

Speaker 30 (01:03:15):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
It is when you get into a position to make
a tackle, you wrap up and if you you're not
strong enough hold on for dear life, so someone could
come in and be and be your calfla. Yeah, it
was too many shedding of defenders, especially once you got
to that second and really the third level.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
A lot of that because those guys just haven't played
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Deontay Banks and obviously Corey Black who was forced into
a lot of duty after not having seen the field
at all in his rookie campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah, and I think that did catch up to the
injuries in the secondary when Cordo Flott went out at
the end of the second quarter on injury.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
On top of Holland being out and Paulson adbo it's
just too much, just not deep enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
And Ark Green by the way, with the hamstring to
another defensive back, right, It's just it was insult to injury. Literally.
All right, let's get to the calls.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Eight eight ITA eight one zero one nine eight eight
eight ita eate one zero one nine. I'll take the
calls and the order they came in, folks, Let's do it.
Let's go to Justin and Dobbs Ferry. He will lead
us off today. Justin, what's up, Hey, Justin?

Speaker 27 (01:04:15):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
Guys.

Speaker 22 (01:04:16):
Brutal loss. But the NFL is going to be consistent.
You know, they call in New York, calls in for
Golf's touchdown, they bring it back. I mean that hurts.
That was a fumble. Everybody sees it. He's moving forward,
he he's not down. And then that changed the whole
trajectory of the game, that fumble. Not being able to
call that in and look at that, look.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
That over, you know the problem Justin, I will say this,
The issue with that is that there is a rule
in the rule book that you cannot adjust. If it's
called Ford progress, it cannot be reviewed. The problem is
that Ford progressed way too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Early in the play. Yeah, the correct Yeah, they blowing
that whistle there correct, Yeah, you can't blow.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:04:57):
They usually here on this side of like letting the
go with you know, when there's like a fumble or
something like that, like they gotta let that play goes.
What progress movement was stopped?

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
There was movies, No, it wasn't. It wasn't stopped, right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I think, I think what will happen Justin, and I
appreciate they preach it coache. I think what will happen
if they got they have to define how to officiate
the touchbuss. They have to They can't allow this game
by game inconsistency of officiating the touch push to continue.
Otherwise you just banned the play. But I think what
will happen is that when a situation like that, you

(01:05:30):
have to rule it a fumble because every turnover will
get reviewed and then if possession, if forward progress is stopped,
then maybe it gets overturned. But it's one of those
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,
it's a damn duck. That looked like a fumble and
it should have been counted as a fumble.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
And my problem Tiki too, is that a lot of
times in those touch pushes it is actually really hard
to officiate.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
He's in the middle of a pile. You can't see anything.
The two line judges are coming up and you can't
see it. We saw that as clear in fast motion
on the first play.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
It was clear as day Dalen Hurts was still moving forward,
his body was still moving forward, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
He reached the ball out and it was taken immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Away by Caveon Thibodeau. That that in any other situation,
if that's in the middle of the field. Uh and
A and a defender is bringing down a runner and
he takes the ball away. It's a turnover. Correct, So
how is that not also a turnover? It doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Especially when on the tush push they always allow after
hurts is and it happens often is stopped on the
initial surge, they allow that second surge to come in
and push them. Yeah, so you have to if you're
going to give the offense the opportunity to have the
second surgeers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
By the way, I'm okay with that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Of course you have to give the defense the opportunity
to make a play on the second surge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
You can't have it both ways.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
I agreed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
And that's and that's what the Eagles have been getting
away with. And again it's not their fault. No, they're
not breaking any rules. This is this is an interpretation issue,
and the referees are absolutely horrendous at interpreting the toush.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
And look, maybe in the end the determination is it's
not the officials fault and it's just a play that's
too hard to officiate and the judgment calls involved in
it are too tough and that's something the competition committee.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Off to take a one, especially because they false start
on almost every single one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Let's go to NOAs in Pennsylvania, Nas, what's going on?
What's up? Nos?

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
It was up?

Speaker 31 (01:07:20):
Guys, appreciate the call. First off, I just want I
sat a couple of points, but first off, just want
to spend out also my thoughts and prayers for the
Mangolds family, you know, gone too soon and tragic, tragic
story to start off the day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Absolutely point.

Speaker 31 (01:07:35):
Yeah, the first point I have here is you know,
obviously this game is a frustrating game and you're just
playing a team that's on another level. But this is
the this is the loss that makes the loss against
Dallas and the loss against Denver that much detrimental to
this team. And that's how it hurts this team, you know,

(01:07:55):
in the long, bigger picture in this season, and I
think you know, if they would have held on and
won those games, you know, we're looking at this game, Okay, Eagles,
you would take a split. If I saw to you
in April and we saw the schedule come out, and
I told you that the Giants were gonna split with
the Eagles, we would take that, and especially with how
the schedules laid out and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Yeah, I mean it's a good point.

Speaker 30 (01:08:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
It's because because if you win those some if you
win those other close games, the ones that you gave away.
Forget the Dallas game because that was the that was
the Russell Wilson era. But if you just win the
Saints and you win the Denver game last week, you're
not You don't feel so bad losing on the road
to the defending Super Bowl champions. And again, the game sucked.
It was hard to watch because the defense could not

(01:08:41):
get off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
They had no chance.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
It felt like to slow down this this Eagles offense
or definitely not stop them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You lose games badly sometimes, but it's all the other
close losses that come back and they bite you and
make you feel increasingly not good about where the team
is going.

Speaker 8 (01:09:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I appreciate the call man, And this was easily, Tiki,
the most lopsided loss that we've seen this year. The
first week he gets Washington wasn't good. Yeah, but it
wasn't utter domination.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I mean, look, they got outplayed, and a lot of
it was simply because of how aggressive the Commander's defense
was and it stimied everything that the Giants were trying
to do. But since then they've been competitive, like the
games has been competitive, and this one was the first
one in a while where it didn't feel that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
And you know, Mark Willoses and I on our Big
Book Kickoff live show on Saturday on WFN that we
have every Saturday morning at seven am, I made the
point to Moose that two weeks ago was the first time,
maybe since the two thousand and eightish era, where you
walked out of a Giants Eagles game and you said
the Giants with a better team in the trenches on

(01:09:49):
both sides of the ball they were.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
That was not the case.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
No, the Eagles offensive line dominated up front, and you
give them credit because they did things differently this week
than they did in Game one. We ran a lot
more of the pullers and the and and get into
the edges, but the Giants in kind didn't do nearly
as much. Part of that is because of camp Scataboo's injury.

(01:10:12):
It's forcing him to play a different kind of game
with Tyrone Tracy. But really we you know, we talked
a little bit about Jackson Dart. He He's got to
be better. He said this in his post in his
post game uh presser, He's got to be better. He
can't hold the ball for as long as he held
it and give up those many sacks. He's got to
find ways to get positive yardage even when plays aren't
really there for him on his first or even second reads.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
And I will say this, it is okay Jackson Dart
to throw the ball away. Yeah, I know, like that's
it's it's okay. Yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It's it's hard to convince a young player to do
that because you think you you can always make it right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
The problem is a lot of times you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
And I feel like the last couple of weeks Tea
he As, we've seen some of the running opportunities and
scrambling opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Drive up dry up. We've seen some of these issues
with holding the ball and taking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Those right and the sacks were a big part of this,
of this, of this loss today, for especially after they
got down, because you're forced into an obvious passing situation
a lot of the game and the Eagles just taken
complete advantage of you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Quick time out, We'll come back, take more of your calls.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
We hear from Jermaine Luminar in the locker room that
a whole lot more Giants again fall to the Eagles
in this game thirty eight to twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 19 (01:11:22):
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Let's listen in Wedy Dark show you agatting back up

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after all those big hits, and.

Speaker 19 (01:11:55):
The Dark is who we've known. He's been in the
entire season, you know, really less tough, no fear and
just saw us to win. When you see him in
his eyes and there's where they wants to win the game,
and he's gonna give you everything he has and he's
gonna make sure when he walks up for it, there's
nothing left in the town. Uh, you know, I just
I love the quarterback game. I loved pointing with a
guy like that. How you just tell us about yah physically? Yeah,

(01:12:18):
oh I'm about that. That's off at the barness.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:12:22):
I feel like I've been pretty open with my goals
and stuff this eason. So I'm just gonna find a
way to fight these things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Thank you. You mean god.

Speaker 30 (01:12:30):
He was shaken, laid about schedule. Obviously, any time a
teammate who's down, no matter what it is, it's it's
a real hard thing to digest. What did you guys
think at the moment when he was down on the field,
did you know what was serious?

Speaker 19 (01:12:41):
So I looked over and I didn't see him down,
and well, I look, I was looking around and said
up on the west as I saw him down, and
I saw the you know, the injury and thus out.
I've never seen anything like that before, So I don't
know how serious it is. I'm sh I know it's
really serious, Like I don't know the significant office. So
hopefully it's one of those things where it's like a
clean breakers something that is a lot easier to recover from.

(01:13:03):
You know, Scot's a really tough dude, and you know
mentally it's one of the toughest guys I've been around.
So if anyone can come back from injury like that
and be even better or something.

Speaker 30 (01:13:11):
As a guy who's been around this league for a while,
you've seen a lot of different things when there is
a serious injury on the field. Is there something you
can say to your teammates on the bench to help
make sure that they're digesting it correctly.

Speaker 19 (01:13:26):
Yeah, I feel like it's a better and you just
have to be able to bring guys back up, cause
things like that can be really demoralizing and can really
knock you down where you are and where you need
to be enoble to go out there and play at
your best. So for me and just for the other
vest where you just have to do a better job.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Of bringing guys up.

Speaker 19 (01:13:43):
And you know, just came on the emotions on the
sidelines because or when I play like that goes down
with that type of injury, it can really do damage
to a team and a team psych at psych So
you know, yeah, sorry, like I said, I'm just praying
for Scan.

Speaker 12 (01:13:58):
Hopefully you recovers quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's Jermaine and Luminor after the game Antiki and this
is early stuff by it by Pro Football Focus here
they had him for just one pressure allowed all game,
and I think from watching it that fit. We didn't
see much pressure off of that side. No, I thought
Andrew Thomas actually probably had his roughest game since he's
came back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
He allowed three pressures in this game, but again Jackson
Dart was holding the ball a long time as well.
Schmidsen Runyon allowed a couple of pressures each again according
to the order early grading. But again, offensive line not
one of their best performances in this game. But again
it wasn't like they didn't give the Giants offense a
chance to function.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
No, they you know they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
But again, when Jackson Dart's holding the ball that long,
you're gonna give up pressures. I think there was only
one play that I recognized in real time that Andrew
Thomas was kind of fooled. Tried to help down on
the three technique and the edge came up the field
really quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
He ended up pushing him past Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
But the collapsing defensive end I think actually might have
been the defensive end from the other side, or maybe
the d tackle from the other side fell into Jackson
Dart and resulted in a sack. So, look, the Eagles
had a good plan for Jackson Dart and you know
what that is, play zone, make him think twice about
letting the ball go quickly and then hopefully you went

(01:15:12):
up front and get pressure. And so I think that, uh,
you know, the offensive line, I've give him. I'd give
him a B minus.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
In this game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
They weren't They weren't great, but they also weren't horrible. Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
All right, Let's go back to the phones at eight
eight eight eight eight one zero one nine and go
to our buddy Harvey and Dix Saials.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Harvey, Harvey, what's up, man?

Speaker 21 (01:15:30):
How are you all? I'll try to do it as
it says, as I can. I didn't have to rip
up my notes this time, but I have you know,
you talk. You know, I learned from you guys. You
know that, and you and John Taking and John and
everybody there. So but anyway, when you said they I
think they said you said three point three point six

(01:15:51):
seconds they had time to throw right, yes, which is
a long time Okay, he had a long time, But how.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Much is that?

Speaker 21 (01:15:57):
And I'll ask you you can evaluate this me is
separation by the receivers. I know neighbors a lot of
great separation. How much is is he adjusting to the
separation of his receiver because they don't think they have
a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I'm sure some of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Harvey tick and I can't see the receivers on the
TV copy we have. We have to watch that in
the morning know for sure how whether or not guys
are open. But based on what Tom Brady was saying
during the broadcast, and will have to trust his eyes,
he kind of knows something about this, right. He didn't
seem to indicate that there were a bunch of guys
running open down there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
I think a lot of the issue for Jackson Dart
was that he didn't have a second place to go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
So the Eagles take away read one and then it's
all right, where's the second, Where's where's red two?

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
And he was trying to go through it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
But I think he also started to put his head down,
started to look at the pass rush coming at him,
and it just completely took him. Now, you definitely can't
find your number two when your eyes aren't downfield.

Speaker 21 (01:16:49):
And I also John, I talked about the push social
last year and I'm talking about it this year. You know,
I feel that it's a penalty and injury weait't to happen, Yeah,
and impossible to situate, toitiate. And I believe it's a
former quarterback sneak, so I I think it should be banned.
I think that, you know, I love fallbacks who can

(01:17:10):
run and plock, and especially when you know, I call
it the blue zone, especially when you're down in the
last five yards and and the other thing. I'll bring
it up there and if you following. For example, there
are a lot of complaints about his uh about the players,
especially Burns had an outpost and you know, I don't
think he's aggressive enough. I don't you know, when does
it when does the defense discipline? According to you, Tigi.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Yeah, well you broke up a little bit there, But
I appreciate your calling for me. I think that you know,
what you're trying to ask is when does it fall
on the coordinator and when does it fall on on
the player As far as discipline and the effort, the
you know, extra effort to try to make these plays.
It's it's a fine line because some of that is coached.
I think a lot of it comes down to you
know how well uh positioned you are to, for instance,

(01:17:57):
make a tackle, because if you're if you're out of position.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
You don't you're not you're not you're not in the
right spot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Then all of a sudden, you're you're scrambling to get
yourself back to where you're supposed to be. And some
of that is coaching, but to me, a lot of
it is just execution. But in this game, it's it's
almost impossible to defend the defensive play calling.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yeah, I have flipped on the toush push last year.
I got into this argument with Pulta Tito many times.
He won the band of last year, and my point was, look,
one team runs it better than everybody else. Yeah, it's
not fair to punish them for that, right. But we've
seen too many incidents this year, and I don't think
it's a player safety thing. I think it's more of
a you can't find you you don't see the false starts.
You've had two issues now with forward progress.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Over the course of these games.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It's always hard to spot the ball, to see where
it is in the middle of that pile. It's just
a very difficult play to officiate. And if you can't
figure that part out of it, I don't think you
can have it in the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Game, especially if there are false starts as we see
almost every single time, or forward progress issues as we
saw in this game after what we thought.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Was a fumble.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's go back to the phones
at eighty eight eight oh eight, one zero one nine
and say what's up to Robbie and Lennox.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Robbie're up next?

Speaker 27 (01:19:08):
Palton goes down the film. I want to just put
them a little there and make sure slain. We don't
want to brother, I mean, this is like, it's what's
going on? Is it the NFL?

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
No, guys.

Speaker 27 (01:19:23):
First of all, I mean it's like the cost. First
of all, I want to say, my heart goes out
to the Mangol family. I was very sad here, a
wonderful player and the Jets. Then I'm glad they just
won for Coach Glenn today. You know, the Jets are
part of my family. MoMA Giants fan all the years
got me in the Jets and hanging out with the
ex jests and the joke Lecko was my favorite guy
of all time in the Tecto. Anyway, about this game,

(01:19:45):
Ticky mentioned some things at halftime, so I'm not going
to recapitulate this, okay, but you said a lot of
things that made sense about the whole push push and everything.
So it's ridiculous. I mean, that was a fubble. Okay,
it doesn't make any sense. And I'd like to see
the the NFL do what the NHL does and have.
But don't they have like a room where they look
at the play. I mean, everybody's looking at that play.

(01:20:06):
We all know what's the fumbled, So why can't guys
on the field call it? Yes, first, some positives Jackson Dark,
you know, yes, does he hang on to the ball
too much? Yes? But does he What I loved about
him and what I loved about him, and that's why
one of the Giants draft because I remember selling my
go up from films about him is his ability to
escape through rush is a bone to feel the pressure
to step up to his toughness. We have our quarterback, guys,

(01:20:28):
I really believe that the question is do we have
our coach? I think today can't really blame the coaching,
it's execution. Okay, let's let's take that way, right, Let's
take execution like guys catching the ball have but deal
catching the ball? Catching the ball. This is a different game,
so it's positives and negatives. But anyway, Tiki, I wanted
to ask you, the biggest problem for me is Shane
Bowen is I know it's talent out there in injuries,

(01:20:51):
but is it scheme? You just you just cart We
just mentioned it. And I love har from Vicks. He's
one of my favorite of all time guys. And the
question is is it scheme? Is it talent?

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
I think part of it is just putting guys in
position to make the right plays and and and drilling
like the role accountability and the gap integrity and all
those things that we didn't see consistently, and this game
you just felt like there was there was too many
missed assignments which then resulted in in big plays for

(01:21:26):
the Philadelphia Eagles, and you know, as the game went on,
they just they wanted it more. Finishing is the biggest part.
What we saw what we didn't see last week with
the New York Giants when they had that big eighteen
point lead in the fourth quarter was this like this
crushing will to win the game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
And and the Eagles have that, clearly, they have it.
They're they're Super.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Bowl champions, defending champions, and they know how to finish games.
The Giants a week ago didn't finish the game. Uh,
the Denver Broncos found a way to fight back. The
Giants didn't have that this week against the Eagles. The
Eagles found a way to finish the game and do
it in a defining, dominant way. And it's you're almost
jealous of it, but we know that the Giants aren't

(01:22:09):
quite there yet. They still have to figure out how.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
To win games.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yeah, I'll put the two things that Robbie talked about. One,
when you give up two hundred seventy five yards on
the ground or too eighty whatever it was, that's everybody.
There is no one that escapes blame on that. That
as players, that is everybody that's involved in that. Everyone
takes blame on that one. In terms of the dart stuff,
because I think this is interesting. We've looked at so
many quarterbacks succeed and I think we have a pretty
good feel for how quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Succeed in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
The out of structure stuff is great, and it's essential
for you to go from being a good quarterback to
a great quarterback, but.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
That can't be the basis of what you do. Eventually,
you need to be a quarterback that fit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
And look, no one's better quickly reading a defense and
getting the ball out than Patrick Maholmes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Right, that's his real superpower. Now, when really good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Defenses take that stuff away, what makes him the best
quarterback on the plat then he does the extra stuff
on top of that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
So Dart's good like he is the cherry and the
whipped cream.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Right, he just hasn't made the ice cream yet, right,
He still needs to make the ice cream a little bit.
He needs to get better at getting plays and balls
out on time against defenses.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
And if you can figure that out, and by the way,
this is what rookie quarterbacks usually do have trouble with.
So if you can figure that out, he has all
the extra topics. He's ready to go, right, he just has.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
To make the ice Well, we saw it on that
one conversion to Theo Johnson where he he was scrambling
it was off schedule and he found a way to
just loft it up over the defense that kind of
stuff and get it to THEO Johnson for a first down.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
How about the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Rolling left, getting his body back, turning around, hitting Wandell
on the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
That's a hard throw when you're going left because it
tends to sail left on you and go out of bounds.
He flipped his hips perfectly and drilled it right where
it needed to be for a big game. And so
it's more and more of that earlier and by the
way this evolved for him throughout the in the game
correct because early in the game he wasn't doing those things.
He was scrambling but in the pocket and just doing

(01:24:02):
you know, twist and turns without gaining any advantage on
the defense. Right as the game went on, you started
to see him scrambling, but then he would gain an
advantage by moving out of the pocket, eliminating the potential
for a sack, and then getting his eyes back up
and downfield and making some of those throws. But so
much of that those scramble rules come down to how

(01:24:22):
familiar you are with your wide receiver, how familiar is
your receiving crew with you, so they know.

Speaker 12 (01:24:28):
What to do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Once things go to crap right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
And the essential part of this, folks, is that this
is why it's so hard now for a rookie pocket
passer to succeed early in his career, because quickly reading
the defense, going through your progressions, all that sort of stuff,
and making quick, good smart decisions is very hard.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yes, So it's why a lot of these more mobile.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Quarterbacks are able to succeed earlier in their career, even
if the art of playing quarterback hasn't developed yet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Look at Josh Allen's first couple of years, lamar Act
in his first.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Few years before we figured out the passing game, right,
These are guys that can survive on their instinctual ability
to play quarterback, and then they learned how to become technicians.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Dart now is to learn to become attent.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
And I think Bobby was right. He's talking about this
is we have the quarterback. Of course, the Jackson Dart
feels like he's the guy for the future and you're not. Man,
I wonder we're gonna have to wait one more year
to see if he continues to develop.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
He's he's going to be that that player.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Now it's about getting the right team around him, the
right you know, maybe even coaching staff around him and
finding ways to win in those those little moments that
make the biggest differences in games.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
That's what he still needs to work on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Rab Bakiana reporting that U scam Campskataboo that suffer a
discocated ankle in today's game in Philadelphia, scheduled to undergo
surgery tonight at a local hospital in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Well that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
I mean, so you get it, you get it taken
care of right away. And you know that was my
initial gut thought was that it was a dislocated ankle.
I know some people were saying it fraction or they're
probably there may be some sort of fraction.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
There's surgery. I mean, doesn't it doesn't. Doesn't that mean
there's a fraction.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Or no, The surgery is probably for the ligaments. Oh
you think so okay, you know, I think the soft
tissue around it. But you you they're likely as a
fraction in one of the joints. So either way, he's
out for the season. And it's a devastating loss to
this offense because of how not only is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
He a really great, good player in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
The making, he's he's the energy for this team and
you see it, and now they got to find a
way to replace that exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
All right, let's take another quick time out. We'll come
back here from Wando Robinson. Finish things off on the
on the phones. He can with you another fifteen minutes
or so right here on the fan until Sean Marash
takes over shortly after six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Will be right back.

Speaker 32 (01:26:46):
This is Wonda Robinson and you're listening to Giants football
on the fan WFA IN and WFAN FM, New York.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Back here on Giants Extra point. Giants fall to the
Eagles thirty eight to twenty one. The Robinson spoke to
the media after the game.

Speaker 32 (01:26:58):
Let's listen in obviously from the receivers that point me,
Sleigh LJ and the other guys.

Speaker 12 (01:27:02):
We gotta continue to just get better and get up
in the Jackson, What did you think when you saw that?

Speaker 17 (01:27:06):
A lot of guys kind of like, you know, you
can see everybody like turning away, and yeah, I mean, you.

Speaker 32 (01:27:11):
Know it was you know, it was pretty serious. And yeah, no,
I mean I I saw it and just kind of
immediately kicking knee and just set a little prayer for him.
But uh, yeah, I hope he's hope he's doing well
at least with Buddy's So you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Cause it feel kind of like day johhood with mom.

Speaker 33 (01:27:25):
I mean it's different injured in the leape, but just
feel like daje vioe, like man, another guy going down
in a way you don't wanna see like that.

Speaker 32 (01:27:31):
Nah, No deja vu is Football's guys would go down
all the time, and uh, it's kind of part of it,
but obviously you hate to see that, especially to the
extent of that.

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
So well though you.

Speaker 12 (01:27:41):
Guys haven't played a lot of game time. If you
have a set of game this is a kind of
a game where.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
You can be pasted. Yeah, it's just a it was
just a step back. You think it's scooping some way school.

Speaker 32 (01:27:51):
Yeah, we didn't play the way we needed to. We
didn't play with the intensity we needed to and in
detail and things like that and the other get you
beat in this league against a team like that.

Speaker 33 (01:28:00):
You're concerned that this is a two and six record
now and there was so much positivism.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Maybe you're five minutes ago.

Speaker 33 (01:28:06):
It's like you know last week or do you guys
are rolling and winning, leading, and they come to this
now that the reality.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
That you know, you guys are in a bad spot here.

Speaker 32 (01:28:15):
Yeah, I mean, we know we're in a bad spot,
and then we got to dig ourselves out if we
want to get out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
How do you think Jackson battle?

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
I mean, he's I mean, he's like a lot of hits, a.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Lot of everything.

Speaker 32 (01:28:24):
I mean, that kid's tough, hates losing of the way
he plays, especially just you know, he gets out and
battles each and every time and doesn't quit, especially to
the game's over. So's that ultimate restick around?

Speaker 33 (01:28:35):
Does that give you maybe more hope than you hadn't?
You know you've used to two and six a lot here,
you know, you've been two and six o'clock that maybe
with him it can be a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:28:45):
I mean, at the end of the day, you got
to keep keep the faith, keep the hope, no matter what,
no matter who's playing back there. And I mean, obviously,
whenever you have a guy back there that very much
like makes it known that he hates this and he
wants to be he wants to be great and things
like that, it does make it a little bit easier.
But at the end of the day, it's on the
rest of the guys in here too to go out
there at the four four.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
That's well, no Rominson after the game and if it
makes Giant fans feel any better. The Broncos have continued
what they did against the Giants in the fourth quarter
last week. They're absolutely lighting up the Dallas Cowboys defense.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
They lead the Cowboys twenty seven to ten with thirty
nine seconds to go in the second quarter. Bonnicks thirteen
to seventeen for one hundred and sixty nine yards, two touchdowns,
Troy Franklin five for eighty two. They just do a
deep touchdown pass to Pat Bryant and they are just
and R. J. Harvey two touchdown runs in this game
as well. They are just rolling the ball up and
down the field on Dallas. And boy that you feel

(01:29:36):
for Dak Prescott. He's having a heck of a year, Tiki,
But that defense can't stop a running.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Oh yeah, Maddy Bulbous is in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I mean, there's a few often defensive coordinators in the
nfcast that are in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
All right, let's get back to the phones.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
At two oh one, nine three nine, four to five
one three Frank is in SIOSID he's on next day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Frank, Hey, Frank, oh are you guys also?

Speaker 8 (01:29:54):
You know?

Speaker 16 (01:29:55):
Yes, good, good, yeah, rest in peace mangled Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:30:02):
Yesterday I spoke to Cemac. He was asking us how
we felt about today's game, and I said two things
to him. I said, my hope. My hope is that
the Giants defense could play the way he did on
the fifth possession against Tender when they stopped him on
the goal line, when Belton made that great tackle and
he forced him for a turnover on downs. And I said,

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my concern is that the Giants receivers can hang on
to the ball because three receivers, THEO Johnson, Robinson and
Bellinger last week ball dropped ball. Now Bellinger redeemed himself
he had the first touchdown catch, but he dropped the
ball in the end zone last week. And today, you know,
you had Darius Slayton and you had THEO Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:46):
And besides, you know.

Speaker 16 (01:30:48):
The drop balls, they hurt themselves on the offensive side
of the ball. But with some penalties delayed the game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Right, It's like it's at least the fourth or fifth
one that we've seen with Jackson Dartis quarterback. Now, part
of that is because he's still young, he's like the
clock doesn't isn't naturally in his head.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
But the drop passes are are a big part of.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
It because you make those plays and they're tough plays,
right this is it's a tough game. But if you
make those plays, it changes a complexion of this game
for the Giants. And again they're young players, some of
these guys Steel Johnson is won. You ultimately can't afford
to miss those big opportunities like they had and early
in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Thank you, Frank Glad One more.

Speaker 16 (01:31:33):
Now, I got a question for you. Yep, third and ten,
the sixth possession, third quarter. Paul Banks and Bob Bob
said that he should have ran the ball instead of
passing it to Robinson for an incomplete pass.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Yeah, he could have, but I mean, it's a long
way to get that first down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Nice and I think I think, I want to say
he's being coached out of the out of running the football,
but he did something today that I don't think we've
seen yet, and it was a scramble on I think
it was third down and he slid right past the
first down mark. I mean he just got past it
and he slid. It might have been a bit short,
but they gave him the first down. Anyways, when was
the last time we haven't seen that for him? And

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so he's clearly taking the coaching that's coming his way,
and I think that's a good thing. But he's also
got to learn in certain moments, if you if you,
if you got if you can run for it, go run.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
For Italy one zero one nine eight eight one zero
one nine. Let's go back to the phone and stay
what's up to Steven Rockland, Steve? What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Then?

Speaker 13 (01:32:38):
Hey, Steve, Well, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna how about this.
When it comes to that whole push push thing, I
feel like it's Otani rules, and I think you know
exactly what I'm talking about absolutely the NFL.

Speaker 34 (01:32:51):
All right, Look, if I have no problem with running that,
if they want to run that play, whoever wants to
run it, you gotta runey. But you have to have
a caveat that if there is a false start they
called down from the boots, if they can't see it
on the field, And that was a fumble.

Speaker 11 (01:33:11):
And that's a huge non that was huge And if
it wasn't a fumble, he didn't make the first step.
The whole thing was twisted, even with and even with
instant replay and all the things, and they just let
that go. That's number one. And number two.

Speaker 15 (01:33:27):
I have to say, all right that when they called
Slayton for offensive pass interference when you could clearly see
the defensive backs got a hold of his jersey, right,
I mean that those are two game changing, crushing calls.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
All right, No one, the Slayton won. The game was
mostly over.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
But you don't know, right, you don't know what it
could spark, right, But if you're going to officiate, you
got to get it right. And that's the time of play.
And they said this on the broadcast, and they were
right about it, is that you just don't call that one.
Both guys are interfering in some capacity, you don't call
that one. Appreciate your call, te And it's hard enough

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to win on the road against a good team that's
the defending Super Bowl champs. When you have the referees
working against you, it makes it almost impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
And til you have said a couple of times that
this was a dominating game by the Eagles, But if
those two plays. I'm not talking about the Slaton when
I'm talking about the fumble in the first half of
this game. If that goes a different way and Theo
Johnson makes the catch or Darius Slayton makes his catch
down the sideline and the Giants aren't playing from two
scores behind.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
This thing, it feels different.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
It probably would have went the Eagles way anyway. When
you can'top the running way, the Giants can't stop the run,
but it would have looked a lot closer and looked
a lot different as the game went. I completely agree,
because this Giants team, while good, and they'll fight, and
I think they have the talent to compete with with anybody,
even though I'm starting to question that on the defensive
side of the ball, mostly because of the secondary issues
that they've had with injuries and in this game, guys

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going out with concussions, et cetera, or hamstrings with with.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Who's the other dB that went out with it, R Green,
so one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
When you start getting depleted, it gets it's almost impossible
to have errors because guys gotta play perfect, and guys
who are your backups or third string guys aren't gonna
play perfect, and so it makes you very vulnerable, and
the Giants got vulnerable as this game went on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
It ate Ita eight one zero one nine eight eight
eight one zero one nine. Let's go back to the
phones and let's go to Dan and Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Dan, what's up?

Speaker 29 (01:35:41):
Hey, Hey guys, thanks for taking Michael. I'm pretty down now, well,
pretty good three quarters away through the Bronco game and
now the whole mojo is gone.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Now with the last five quarters have been bad dance,
The last five quarters.

Speaker 21 (01:35:56):
Have been bad.

Speaker 29 (01:35:57):
Yeah, So there is a couple of comments I want
to make today's game. I mean, Johnson's gonna make that catch.
That bull is right center in his hand.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Yes, he wasn't ready for it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
You can tell he wasn't ready for it, like he
got to it late though I know he got he
this is this is him being a young player. He
got his head around on it late. So he wasn't
ready for the contested catch that it was that it
was that it was bound to be, and he just dropped.
You could tell how it bounced off his hands even
before he really got a chance to corral it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Because you make that catch, it changes the early part
of this game for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:36:31):
And then the Slayton play where they called past interference
was really I really thought it was questionable. It really
could have gone either way. I mean, that was a
big play in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Maybe maybe the.

Speaker 29 (01:36:41):
Game was out of hand then, but it was an
exciting play. It was a fourth down play, right. So
and the question half of you guys is is this
team closing the talent gap between the Giants and Eagles.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
I mean, yeah, but I don't think it's the It's
not the talent gap that we need to getar about.
Appreciate your call, it's the depth gap that you need
to worry about. Because football is an atricious game. Guys
are simply they're gonna get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
We saw it with the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Sakkwon Barkley hurts his hamstring, Tank Bigsby comes in, takes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Over, he rushes for one hundred yards as well. So
part of that is on the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
But it's depth that you have to have, and the
Giants just don't have good depth, especially on the defensive secondaryes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
We've talked about a lot, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
And look, we saw that the Giants beat the Eagles
handling two weeks ago. We never would have seen that
over the past four or five years. No, right, I
think the talent gap certainly has closed in this division
generally speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
All right, let's go to Greg and Middletown, New Jersey. Greg,
what's happening? And I'll be our last caller. Greg. What's up?
What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Greg?

Speaker 16 (01:37:50):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (01:37:50):
What's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:37:51):
Guys?

Speaker 24 (01:37:51):
I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on
how important do you think it is for Joe Shane
to go out and the Giants to go out and
get a pass catching out for Jackson Dart in terms
of his development and also to kind of salvage this season.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
And maybe as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Just I don't think it's worth it. Appreciate you, appreciate
thanks for calling. I don't I don't think it's worth
it at this juncture.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
With their record the way it is. I don't know
if you could trade a draft asset for a player.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Yeah, you don't want to trade your draft asset you
want you'd rather save it and use your draft asset
because every year there are at least half a dozen,
maybe more, really good receivers that come into.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
The In fact, I saw a top fifty the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Tiki and they had seven wide receivers and they're top
fifty in this year, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
And even guys that aren't a top fifty, they just
they come in and their playmakers and so the Giants
need to address that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
No question about it. All right, Tiki Giants, forty nine Ers.
Next week, we'll see who starting a quarterback for the
forty nine ers. I mean rock Party and the worst
Turf Turf to injury of all time. Now Turf Dow
is a very serious injury. And don't don't let the
name fool you, but he has not played in a while.
Christian McCaffrey's been Juwan Jennings has come back, Ricky piercillizes
them played in three or four weeks either. They're all

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sorts of banged up on defense, but Robert Solid Tools
credit has done a really nice job.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Of maintaining the effectiveness on that side.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Give me a quick look at it to the forty
nine ers next Yeah, this game was it will come
down to the Giants being able to contain one of
the when he's healthy, best offensive weapons in football over
the last half a decade or so in Christian mccaff
and he is healthy right now, and he's healthy, and
that's the one thing that you could never count on.
For the last few weeks, he's been He's been phenomenal,

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and I think offensively we mentioned this briefly. I think
Jackson Dart is gonna start getting more of what we
saw the Eagles do, which is plays play coverage, keep
your eyes at him so that the scrambles don't become
an option for him and force him to think through
what he has to do. And the counter to that,
the chess match to that is for Mike Kofka to

(01:39:54):
come up with plays where he gets rid of the
ball quickly, where he's not overthinking his his in progression decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It's just it becomes rope.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
So when I see this, look this is where this
ball is going, so that he can get the ball
into his playmaker's hands a lot faster.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
And you were closing here. I don't want to get
too deep into this, but I think he made a
really good point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I think Hafkin and Dave have done a great job
scheming up that first look for him, whether it's a
wheel round right, mismatch, one on one, a screen, even
you know those that first look that are what I
call like designer plays.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
It's like a right we're setting up for this guy
to score.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
They've done a great job of giving Dart some easy
looks and throws in those the Scotaboo touchdowns a perfect example.
One say those types of plays. I almost wonder do
you start telling him on some of these players, all right,
if that first looks not there, if you want to
go through your productions, that fine, just get to the
checkdown right away. Yeah, and it's a right to throw.
They think about this, and I just this just clicked
with with you talking at the end of the show. Here,

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when's the last time you saw Jackson Dart door checkdown pass.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
I don't know if we saw any today. Have you
seen it in the last two weeks? He just doesn't
want to check it down because that's his aggressive level.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Almost the last thing that happens for developing quarterback rights
as you find it's I don't want to call it
free yardage because it's not. It's it's tough on the
running back from a guy who caught a ton of
checkdown passes in my career, But at least it keeps
you regular on first and second day, right, So that
you're not an inconsistent second and third and longs, which
become impossible to convert. Even though the Giants interestingly have

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been pretty good at third and lungs this year. I
mean they were forty one or so percent on the
game five to twelve, and so their third down conversions
have drastically improved. Their red zones conversions have drastically improved
in the Jackson Dart era. But there's a there's another
step that he still has to take, and that's making
a bad play into an okay play.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
And third and lungs are just a tough place to
live in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
You might be good over short stretches and third and lungs,
that's not gonna sustain over a long period, no chance,
thinking good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
We'll talk to you next Sunday, most certainly, thank you,
John Well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Giants will be back at home next Sunday as well,
because the back in me life stating with the Giants
have had a lot of success this year.

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