Giants Extra Point | Giants vs. Vikings Recap

John Schmeelk, Tiki Barber and Bob Papa break down the Giants' Week 16 loss to the Vikings on Giants Extra Point.

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York Football Giants, they fall to two and thirteen on
the season. They dropped this one to the Minnesota Vikings
sixteen to thirteen at met Life Stadium. John Schmulk, Tiki Barber,
Bob Poppo waiting Mike Kefkafka's press conference downstairs after this

(00:41):
loss and Tiki. This one to me comes down to
a couple different factors. One, the Giants allowed a Max
Brozmer led Vikings offense to drive down forty seven yards
to kick a fifty seven yards part of me to
kick a game winning field goal with about four to
fifteen to go in this game. And then offensively for
the Giants, they finish this game with one hundred and

(01:04):
forty one yards of total offense, Jackson darts seven to
thirteen for thirty three yards in a pack. Couple drops
in there, and they get seven points on a defensive score.
And the only reason they get six points on offense
two field goals is because two third downs in which
Jackson Dark gets sacked there are unnecessary roughness blows to
the head that extend those drives. Otherwise the Giants are

(01:26):
punting on those two possessions, they score zero offensive points.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, I feel like we need to apologize for Giants
fans for having to watch this disaster of a team
this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
This was bad and so many different ways.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Other than the defense doing a couple of good things,
there are just players that you see that don't belong
on this team. Darius Layton, you don't belong on this team.
You're not a winning football player. You're not there's no urgency.
I feel like previous seasons or previous years we talk
about how bad the talent was. This isn't a team
that has bad talent, even though there are some bad
players on this squad. It's a team that doesn't know

(02:00):
how to win, and today it looked like they didn't
want to win. Right, You're not making tackles when it
matters in critical third downs situations.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
In the in the last drive.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Of the game, you just you basically concede ten yards
to Aaron Jones.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
This is poorly coached team.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
This is a poorly motivated team, and it showed up
in one of the ugliest games that I have watched
from a giant standpoint in the.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Last three or four years.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
They should have they should have been able to beat
this Minnesota Vikings team without their starting quarterback who hadn't
even played well for a lot of this game through
an interception earlier in this game. This and they're starting
team appeels like it has checked out, and they're starting center,
and they're starting center and all these things that say, hey,
the Giants have a chance. Yet you get the worst

(02:45):
day of the season by Jackson Dart. It's like they
were unprepared for what Brian Floores does to opposing offenses.
But all you gotta do is turn on one tape
of the Minnesota Vikings defensively and you're gonna see Brian
Floores confusing the hell out of you and to not
have a plan to attack it, whether that's toss the
ball to the edges, whether that's get design and scheme

(03:06):
plays to have it out of Jackson darts in in
three seconds or less. Instead, we're seeing five and seven
step drops and giving up five sacks in this game
and ultimately not giving yourself a chance to win.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
This was bad man, This one.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
This is the one that makes you feel that some
of the players don't have what it takes, even though
we know they're good players.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean, wow, I don't I don't know how
to follow that tiki other than.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I haven't gotten pissed off and since the Denver game
because I've conceded that this team just isn't good enough
and sometimes they just don't know how to win. This
look like a team to quit, and that's that frustrates me,
especially when there's so many guys that have so much
to play for it. Now, Brian Burns, give him his kudos.
Playing with a jacked up hand, He's got a club
on his hand. He's still out there trying to make
arm tackles on Aaron Jones while everybody else is kind

(03:57):
of sitting around picking their noses. I just feel like
there's not enough guys that care, and that frustrates the
hell out of me.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, well you would know better because you actually wore
the giant uniform. And as I look up at the stadium,
like your name is in the Ring of Honor, so
you can understand it and see it more. I look
at a team that is just really devoid in talent.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
In critical areas.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Okay, they are devoid in talent in the secondary. You
know where they're going on third and long. They're throwing
short passes to Jefferson. You have to know that the
ball's going to him. Tackle them, fine, tackle them third
and seventeen. Where are they going to throw it to you?
I don't double team them. Whatever you're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
There is no reason for Justin Jefferson not to have
been clouded. That is having a safety over top every
single third and long. Yet every single third and long
he's behind some secondary defender, which makes no sense to me.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
And I know, listen, Malik Neighbors has been out all
season long, and I know they've done good things, but
it does catch up to you. You can't win in
the NFL with this receiving roster. You can't win. And
I mean you look at you look at the receiving roster.
You look at who they lost to last week. They
got Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin. Addison didn't have a

(05:19):
good game, but you got Addison, you got Nailor. He
didn't really do much today. He had a drop ball
off his chest that won for an interception. But week
in and week out, stat wise, I mean, your deep goat,
your deep go ball goes to your smallest receiver who
got Yeah, he got hit in the back of the
head and tried to make a basket catch. But we
see those drop and then Slayton, I mean, how many

(05:41):
more drops?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
This goes go back to the New Orleans game.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, how many games have been affected by Darius Slayton drops?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right, Football is about the little things. The littlest and
most basic thing is catching a football. And if you're
not focused on catching a football, you're gonna drop it.
And Darius Slayton had one in this and look, he
got to overcome because there was a penalty on the
next play.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
But that ball was cleanly in his bread basket.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Whether he didn't know how to catch it with his
hands or he wanted to catch it with his body,
either way, it hit him right in the numbers. It
was one of the few really good passes that Jackson
Dart had today and he dropped it.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
He's not a winning football player.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
We've said this all season long, and he continues to
prove it each and every week.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, and as excited as we are about Theo Johnson.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Like, in a one score tight game, you can't let
a ball that's perfectly thrown to you go right through
your hands because it sets them up for sets up
for sure. They started to inside the twenty yard at
the twenty yard line in a game in which neither
team is doing much offensively. It's just it's frustrating, it's exasperating,

(06:46):
it's sad, like, look at all the people that were
here today dressed up in Christmas gear and their giant stuff.
I'm sure a lot of these people were coming to
a game maybe for the first time, or it's a
rare game because I'm sure season ticket holders were giving
away their tickets. I mean, you want to leave here
with a decent feeling. And this was like a winnable
game against the team again they lost their center during

(07:08):
the game, starting quarterback, and they lost their quarterback who
you know, It's not like it's great shakes or whatever,
but they lost them, and you know, the Giants just
continue to find with and then Carl Banks summed it
up best. They play really good defense until they don't,
and usually they don't in the gotta have it moments.

(07:28):
And I think there's just there's a lot of players
that there's a lot of losses tied into them. And
I think, whoever the new head coaches and whatever decisions
they make moving forward, you got to turn things over here, right,
you get yeah, because it's not just coaching.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'll leave it with this because Tom Cofflin used to
have a sign in our locker room and it's an
old cliche, but it says, you know, we are what
we repeatedly do.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Therefore success is a habit.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And I remember right now, I feel like what we
see from the New York Giants is this losing mentality
and it has become their habit. It's what's normal for them,
and they don't know how to get out of it.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Right.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
We're excited about Abdul Carter and again he had a
force full game, but you have to line up on side.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
You can't line up in the newest close.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
It was really close.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I know, I know, Bob, but it was really close.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
But it was called right, it was. But that's again
you're struggling in every which way. You had a ninety
five yeard pick six taken.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Off the board. Yeah, no, you're right, You're right.

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Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right after the.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Giants fall for the ninth Street Game sixteen thirteen, this
one to the Minnesota Vikings at MetLife Stadium. Guys, we
covered a lot of ground there in our first segment.
But the Giants did run the ball well la were
in this game. They tried to stick with it. It
was pretty clear Tiki that the Vikings made an adjustment
to that and they started to slow down the Giants

(09:24):
run game, and you just couldn't figure anything out from
a passing perspective to consistently move the ball up and
down there.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I think this is where you Brian Floor is
again a lot of credit for his schematic design. It
feels like every down against his Minnesota Vikings defense are
gonna get those double a gap mugs and it feels like, man,
are they bringing pressure. But the challenge with that is
if you do bring pressure one side, say it's his
zone blitz, so half sides coming, the other side's dropping out,
you create running lanes.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Early on in this game, Minnesota was bringing extra pressure,
whether it was a fifth sometimes the sixth man, and
the we're blocking it up and creating seams for Tyrone Tracy,
and that helps when you have twelve personnel because obviously
that extra tight end can help in that blocking scheme.
But later in this game, you saw and I think
you even mentioned this to me out, you know, we're

(10:14):
watching up here, you know, behind the broadcast. It feels
like he's not bringing pressure anymore. It feels like he's
double a gap, mugging and just dropping. It was constant
drops into this little short zone. Who knows what they
were doing behind them two to three, it doesn't even matter,
but they were dropping out but still in those run lanes.
And so yeah, Tyrone Tracy could get two three yards,

(10:34):
but he wasn't increasing any more for fifteen or twelve
or eleven or eighteen or anything like that. And so
it was an adjustment defensively that looked the same from
initial pre snap, but when the ball was snapped, they
were putting themselves in a better position to defend the run.
And the reason you could do that, John, is because
Jackson Dart provided zero threat in this game. I mean

(10:59):
he what do you throw for thirty five yards in
this game? Thirty three yards total? I mean neck with
the sacks, it was twenty two yards. The past game
was not an option for the New York Giants and
something that the Minnesota Vikings did not have to.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Fear at all all day long.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And the amazing thing to me, Bob Giants held the
wall for twenty nine minutes, so it's not like the
time of possession was really lopsided. And Tiky and I
talked about this upstairs. The Giants only had seven possessions
in this game. Usually you're around twelve, maybe ten on
the low end. Only seven possessions in a game, that's
an extremely low number.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, yeah, there were long drives. I mean, look at
some of these scoring drives. I mean these scoring drives
that ended in field goals. It's not often that you
have a twelve play thirty five yard drive, right, It's
not often that you have a fourteen play fifty four
yard drive. And Minnesota with the game winning kick was

(11:54):
a fourteen play fifty seven yard drive, right, Like usually
a fourteen play drive like eighty six yards.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
This game was like a you know, both teams played it.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
They kind of like played this, we're in the wind,
it's cold, and we're down people and this, and that
we're gonna kind of play this like little slugfest kind
of game, but which is.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Probably only three punts, by the way, which makes it
even funny because you feel like in a game like
this you'd.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Have like eight punts. It's only three punts. Well, you
had three turnover exactly right, right, and you know it's
just it's really frustrating.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
And again, like for the fans that are here, the
fans that are listening, the fans that are watching. I
know there's a segment of the fan base that's like, good,
I want the number one overall pick.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
But that is the silver lighting if it is.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But you know what Titans did win today, by the
way beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
People buy tickets and come to games and root for
the team because they want to see the team do.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well and they want to win.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
They want to lose.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
The players certainly don't want to lose. This is their livelihood.
There's gonna be a lot of guys unemployed at the
end of this year.

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Speaker 8 (13:06):
At hamstring flat has a knee, jere Mess has a
hand that we're working through DJ Davidson neck and then
Burnes and Newbin they were both cleared, you know, but you.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Know they were cleared during the game.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Then running you know, his wife went into labor, so
you know, thinking about him as well.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
As he's going through that process with him his wife.
I think that's pretty much.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
It flot that it's gonna be as serious.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Well we'll yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (13:34):
I haven't hadn't chance to meet with the doctors yet
and stuff. But the other looking at it right now,
what was it.

Speaker 10 (13:40):
About your defense that was given your passing attack some
challenges today? What was it about their defense that was
so challenging to your passing attack today?

Speaker 8 (13:50):
You know, they didn't they didn't shob of mixing up
some coverages, some pressure packages, you know, and they attempts
that we had which were limited. You know, we had
some cover zero alerts and tags built in do it
you know, just need a overall better.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Execution there from the whole group.

Speaker 11 (14:04):
I could seem to be a very conservative game plan,
run heavy game plan.

Speaker 12 (14:08):
Was that the way you wanted to go into this game?

Speaker 8 (14:09):
I want to recall running the ball conservative, I'd say,
you know, I think for us, we just wanted to
try to minimize some of that pressure package and let
our run game go. So mixing a couple different personnel groupings,
you know, get into some three thirteen personnel, some twelve,
a little bit of eleven, but you know, trying to
curtain advance for us.

Speaker 11 (14:26):
It is minimizing that pass rush and throwing four passes
in the first half. I mean, so what you know
was that, you know, it seemed like you never could
get into your passing game in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 8 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean part of the part of the plan was,
you know, maybe you know, getting to the run game
a little bit more. And that's you know, part of
the process we went through this week. You know, when
you have you know, corner that likes the pressure and
that's the strength of theirs, you know, you can you
can minimize it by a couple of things, whether it's screens,
whether it's max protecting it, or the run game which
helps utries that.

Speaker 9 (14:57):
I think it was thirteen and yards and I think
guys had depending on how you want to characterize, about
three or four drops as well.

Speaker 13 (15:06):
Why were things so out of sync with that passing attack,
because I don't belie you've seen.

Speaker 9 (15:09):
One do that yet.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
Yeah, we'll go I'll go back and look at it
exactly on the field. It just felt like we had
some opportunities we missed him. So we'll look back at
the tape and see where we can get those things
cleaned up, whether it's you know, protection, whether it's a scheme,
whether it's ball location or just drops. Like I think
there's a couple of different factors that could go into it.
So I don't want to be too early on what
the exact reason was without watching it again thoroughly.

Speaker 9 (15:31):
He had he had two today, He's had quite a few.

Speaker 13 (15:33):
This year, eight or nine, depending on what the flip
website you want to go which tracks mean, why has
that been an issue for him so far?

Speaker 8 (15:38):
If is a guy that we really rely on, and
I think he's a guy that's made a lot of
big plays consistently throughout the course of these last call
at five to seven games, and is the guy that
will continue to put the ball in his hands and
give him opportunities down the field.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
So I know he's had some drops in the past,
Like that's in the past.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
I have a lot of confidence in THEO and him
be able to make big time plays for us.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
Like what do you say, what do you say to
Jackson to you know, protective games.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
And yeah, it's it's it's for the whole group, you know,
the whole group. We got to continue really go back
look at this tape, be ultra critical and what that
looked like and the things that we can get better at,
you know, for any for any player, like what they
can do individually, what we can do as a unit,
and then holistically as a team. You know, where are
some spots where I can improve, where I can be
an asset to the group, and whether that's you know,

(16:22):
being aggressive being less aggressive, you know, turning the line
in terms of how the how we want to play
the game and the game management part of it. And
that's what I evaluate and be hypercritical on myself about Mike.

Speaker 11 (16:31):
What did you see on a thirty seventeen a big
play to Justin Jefferson that kept the sticks move them?

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, I mean I was bouncing. I didn't see that.
While I was bouncer. I was talking to the offense.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
I saw, I saw like the replay, but I don't
know exactly what happened on the other play.

Speaker 11 (16:45):
And generally, like the defense give a lot of third
and long chunk place and you.

Speaker 9 (16:49):
Know, how would you evaluate that? What did you see that?

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Again?

Speaker 8 (16:53):
Like some you know, during those times, sometimes I'm like
getting ready, like thinking, you know, if we get the
ball back, trying to get the off talking to the
offense some reely some of the eyes upstairs. So I'll
go back and look at it. You know, obviously we
don't want to give up those big, those big throw downs.
It might be something as simple as just the fundamentals
of just getting died down and tackling them. I know
had a couple of them. We had some opportunities to
tackle them. Sure the sticks didn't do it, but you

(17:15):
know that we'll we'll look at it, we'll focus on
it and make that a point of emphasis for this
week of practice. You mentioned nothing takes something coverage for
the thing to you that you were expecting that you
have to adjust to. No, I actually felt great about
the plan and what we're what we were expecting there. Obviously,
sometimes the down and distance, you know, we talked about
this earlier, get back on track in the early part
of the down, you know, secondly, longs, those type of things.

(17:38):
We wanted to stay out of those because we knew
what elements could show up. But I felt really clean
about the plan. It's been clean about it. You know,
we just got to look look back at and see
what are the things we could have done better in
that particular area.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
You know, you think Jackson handled the pressure. Looked like
he maybe had a couple of opportunities to maybe throw
the ball away.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, I had accents.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Yes, I think Jackson, I think overall the plan, think
he understood the plan. I think at the lot of scrimmage,
he was doing a good job of of seeing it
and being decisive of what he wanted to do. I
think as he learns and he sees more of these
ability to get the ball just to touch faster, you know,
use some of those sites to keep his mind clear
on it and not you know, you know that put
himself in a bad spot because I thought I thought

(18:18):
he had some opportunities down field. Sometimes you know, whether
it's a popper or someone gets into that window, you
got to hold it an extra take longer.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
So that's part of the growth process with it.

Speaker 8 (18:27):
But I thought Jackson was seeing it clearly, and certainly
the conversations we have on the sideline, you know, he
felt good about the plan as well.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
So it's it's but it's not just one guy.

Speaker 8 (18:35):
Everyone's got to see it the same way, and we
got to go out there and execute.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
Better on the opening kick off.

Speaker 10 (18:40):
All a lot of bounds was to win what what
was the explanation is to while the ball went out
of the mounds.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, I think he just I think he just hooked
it a little bit to the right.

Speaker 11 (18:48):
You were you passed up a fairly short field goal
in the first series.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah, why you do that?

Speaker 14 (18:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
I was wanting to stay aggressive and didn't want to
stay aggressive and.

Speaker 8 (18:55):
Early part of the game, and we had an opportunity.
It was kind of right there, and I was talking
with all those guys and the game management guys, and
it's right there, it's probably a go for. And so
I wanted to put it in our offensive hands early
in the game. Especially, you never know how the game's
gonna you know, declare and be at the end of it.
So we wanted to stay aggressive early in the game
and if we had an opportunity and that and that
down and distance, we were gonna go.

Speaker 9 (19:17):
Sayer talked to Abu little head all after the off
side that Nick AGAs touchdowns.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
Well, I haven't had a chance to talk to him.
I know he's he's you know, he's beating himself up
about it. You know, it's tough. He's trying to get
a jump on the football a little bit, you know,
a little bit too far, you know, unfortunate, really unfortunate
play just overall because it takes away points, takes a
weeks to huge play, you know. But the defense, you know,
they bottle back from that, from that, from that and
ended up getting another one.

Speaker 9 (19:44):
Think O all right?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Kay?

Speaker 9 (19:47):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
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(20:11):
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Speaker 1 (20:24):
They'll try a thirty nine yard field goal.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
He's a left footed kicker from the left hash with
the winds swirling to tie the game. Snap spot pick
on its way live drive and it is good. He
hooks it right in there.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
He played the wind on that with.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Bob eleven oh six to go in the game, tie
to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
That was the culmination of a fourteen play fifty four
yard drive at the start of the fourth quarter that
gave the Giants a thirteen to thirteen tie against the Vikings.
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(21:10):
improving over our health and empowering our youth. But Bob,
you thought maybe Saul should have had a chance to
kick a third field well in this game?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, you just heard.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Mike Kafka asked why he passed up on a short
field goal on the opening possession of the game, and
he said, you know, we wanted to be aggressive our analytics.
And as soon as I heard that, I wanted to
jump out of the booth. Now, I am not a
fuddy duddy, an old fart that doesn't want to hear
about analytics. Okay, because I believe analytics are important. In fact,

(21:41):
I believe that they've been making a batting order in
Major League Baseball since the eighteen hundreds based on analytics.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Guys that hit high for average usually bat the top
of the lineup. Guys that hit for power usually hit third, fourth,
and fifth.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Tom Landry, the inventor of the umbrella defense, certainly used
analytics to stop Jim Brown in the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Paul Brown used analytics.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
From an offensive standpoint, analytics have always been a part
of sports. Now it's become a little bit of a
dirty word, right, So I am not against analytics. But
when you see what the weather conditions are and what
the wind is like, and then when you look at
the fact that the team you're playing against is tied
for the second best red zone defense in the NFL,

(22:31):
and they are sixth in the NFL in third down defense,
and your offense is very limited with the skill position
players that you have, and you're missing your left guard
in this game, and you have a rookie quarterback, what
preytel analytics could tell you that, oh, yeah, we're going.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
To make a fourth and five at the ten, it's
false belief. In himself.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
That's what that comes down to. The fourth and five
at the ten was one of the worst decisions that
he's made in a long time. Kick the field goal,
you know it's going to be at least you assume
it's going to be a low scoring game, as it
ultimately turned out to be.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
But when you believe just for believing.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Sake, as opposed to I have this great play that
I know is going to work, doubled up and that's
why we're going forward on fourth down, That's not what
I saw. I saw a team that just for the
sake of being aggressive, and that's what I hear every
time I these fourth down conversions or these tight red
zone fourth down go forwards. It's I just want to
I want to stay aggressive, Okay, But aggressive aggression without.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
A plan gets you no points, It gets you lack
of success.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Two years ago, it caused Dan Campbell and the Lions
a trip to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yes, in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
And again, I believe in analytics, and I believe that
it has a place in sports, and it's always had
a place in sports. Like I said, but what under
what these analytics are numbers that are are compiled over
a broad scope of data. Yes, how about your team?
How about your team against who you're playing against. Don't

(23:58):
tell me about the analytics being aggressive. Listen, if the
Giants went for it on fourth and fourth and one
at the ten yard line, or fourth and a half
yard or fourth and a yard and a half, I
would say, Okay, I can understand where analytics is playing
into this, and you might it's fourth and five.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yes, the likelihood of succeeding there is not high. And
to me, this is just all about a mantra that
Mike Kafka has and he keeps saying it, I just
want to stay aggressive there. I just wanted to stay aggressive.
I just wanted to stay aggressive. But being aggressive without
a real plan makes no sense. And you just said
something was really interesting, Bob. If you're going to use analytics,

(24:40):
use analytics to the specific team that you're playing, right,
you have to incorporate what the Minnesota Vikings do defensively
in the red zone. You have to incorporate, even if
it's not the whole season, what you've been like in
the tight red zone over the last four or five games. Right,
analyze to that level of Specif don't just talk about well,

(25:02):
analytics in general say that you can do X, y
and z and it's gonna give us a different percentage
of this percentage of winning a game and scoring points.
That's nonsense because it's not it's not specific enough. It's
like AI trying to find an answer for you when
you know it's going to be wrong between.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Five and eight yards.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
This year, coming into the game on third downs between
five and eight yards of Giants, we are under fifty
percent between five and eight yards. Defensively, Minnesota had given
up only ten of forty three. So what analytics could
be telling you, Yeah, we should go for it against
these guys?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right, come on, especially when the field is short. That's
just a general stat when so, when the field is
shorter in the in the red area.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Let's ground to cover again against a team that is
tied for second in the NFL and red zone defense, right, well,
just kick the field goal? Okay again, if it's fourth
and one, I'm with you, I got it. But no,
your team, no, your left guard's not there. No, you
have no receivers gonna make above x as and almost play.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And even the guys that are out there on the
field sometimes they're gonna drop it.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Let's take a time out. We'll come back. Giants fall
to the Viking sixteen to thirteen. We'll be back with more.
Jackson dar from the podium. Were gonna have Andrew Thomas
downstairs as well. He left the game with the hamstring injury.
That and a whole lot more as we continue here
from met Life Stadium.

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Zonis Tyler Newman for the Giant touchdown.

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Spider Man Bryant Burns with a sack Horse football and
Tyler Newman whether his first career touchdown on the Giants
first defensive score of the year, Get big Blue right
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(27:21):
Brian Burns, by the way, two sacks today, now fifteen
on the year, second in the NFL to Miles Garrett,
who I did not check. Does anybody know if he
broke the sack record today, Miles Garrett?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Do not.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
He only needed one one to tie one to tie
in to break, correct.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I will check that in a second. I have not
seen that yet, so we will check that for you.
Burns has continued to play well this year for the Giants,
one of their best players. Another one of the best
players is offensive tackle Andrew Thomas, who has been excellent
since he came back from his injury. Heard his hamstring today,
had to leave the game. He spoke to the media
after the game. Let's hear what Andrew Thomas had to.

Speaker 19 (27:51):
Say and howary feeling? And you know they said it
to Hampshire Field.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
Yes, sure I don't. We haven't did then image yet,
so we'll see tomorrow what the diagnosis is.

Speaker 19 (28:03):
Do you have any feeling for if circumstances were different,
could you have gone back in the game.

Speaker 10 (28:08):
Or not really talked to the training stats at halftime
and we decided it was the best thing to stay.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Out concerned because you have a hamstring.

Speaker 9 (28:16):
It's the same leg and different I mean, obviously missed
a lot of time and that fast.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Any concern for you with that.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Or it feels different?

Speaker 11 (28:24):
Are do just feel like what happened to you?

Speaker 9 (28:26):
You know two years ago?

Speaker 10 (28:28):
I think it's different, But like I said, I haven't
got to admire yet. So once we see that, then
we'll go go from there.

Speaker 20 (28:33):
Andrew, there was a lot of talk about the chaos
that the Vikings Blitz package causes. Now that you've had
a chance to see it firsthand and feel it firsthand,
what were your thoughts about how you handled it?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I mean it's it's what they've done all year.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
They have designer pressures depending on who you're going against. Communication,
getting to the lune of scrimmage and the execution is
the biggest thing when you're playing defense like that. That
we didn't do a good a good enough job of
that today.

Speaker 20 (28:59):
Is it more different cult when you actually play against
it than what you see on film? And then also
obviously we found out right before the game that running
was not available, so now you're gonna have to have
a substitution, which I would assume makes things a little
more difficult.

Speaker 10 (29:12):
Yeah, I mean definitely having continuity helps when it comes
with things like that. Communication is big when they have
all the different pressures and different alignments, and I think
we would prepare. We just didn't execute well enough.

Speaker 19 (29:24):
To me, I haven't there down there, I do how
much of a factor was that you guys only had
thirty three passing yard so obviously it was also difficult
the game and going with the wind.

Speaker 10 (29:35):
I don't I'm not sure if the wind had much
factor in it.

Speaker 21 (29:39):
They're just don't do well enough.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
You know, many fat starters.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
I have it to find out there, which is pub
Jackson kind of him.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Of the New York Giants, And now Jackson DARTI is
heading to the podium downstairs.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Let's go listen into what he has to stay to
the media.

Speaker 13 (29:58):
I feel like fact down it was just a big
you know, especially first half cover zero team, so always
bringing the guy that was extra. Then we had blocking,
and you know that was kind of the what we saw,
you know, third and fourth down. It's kind of what
it did, especially in the.

Speaker 9 (30:16):
First off you. I mean, obviously the game plan was
very run heavy. Was that something you embraced coming into
the game. I mean it was very few chances if
you throw the ball so many the first half.

Speaker 13 (30:28):
Yeah, I I I trust the the coaches game plan
each week.

Speaker 12 (30:32):
You understand it.

Speaker 13 (30:34):
You have conversations and you know, my jobs just to
go to go out there and execute, you know, play
that's being called.

Speaker 11 (30:39):
And yeah, okay, so you had a little conversation with
each of the other quarterbacks that block what what were
they trying.

Speaker 9 (30:48):
To tell you?

Speaker 12 (30:49):
I guess and yeah, I'm just gonna keep that in
between us.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Excellent. And we talked to you earlier in the season.
I forget specifically, which the loss of it after me
you were very young and and you had said that
you don't want this to become the norm.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
You're not used that, you don't want this.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
You got to snap the hole and not make this
become what happens. We've got to be uh, unfortunately here
it has the loss that you've kept piling up. How
have you been able to process this and and keep
your around up and things just.

Speaker 13 (31:15):
Happen to be working for you.

Speaker 10 (31:16):
Guys out.

Speaker 22 (31:18):
It's just a a new experience I've never you know,
been through before, and that doesn't make it any easier
than what it is. And you just try to do
your best to stay positive as much as you can, and.

Speaker 12 (31:36):
You know, there's just a quick turnaround each week.

Speaker 13 (31:37):
So I feel like, you know, the times where you know,
you hang on a loss for too long, it goes
into you know, your next gaming preps. So you know,
that's kind of just the mentality and process that I've.

Speaker 12 (31:55):
Just you know, tried to have you continue to.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
Start of your development in the league this year. Are
there certain plays today that you.

Speaker 10 (32:02):
Wanna go exactly look at and just say I want
another look at those, just to make sure.

Speaker 12 (32:06):
You're processing the way you use have the process.

Speaker 13 (32:09):
Yeah, I would say, you know, probably early on in
the game, you know there's a you know, a few
plays where you know, just decision wise, you know, check wise,
I feel like I could have done a little bit more.
So those are kind of the the ones that are
you know, on the top of my mind at this
moment where you gotta go back and once you tape did.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
Your accident, you want your team here, for this team
with not your.

Speaker 12 (32:32):
Losses, Just what are your emotions, is it why?

Speaker 13 (32:38):
Mm still just you know, tryna process this one. It's
kind of just a hard question to ask or answer.
So it's a hard question to answer now, just you know,
being so fresh and.

Speaker 12 (32:52):
You know obviously this is just not.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
How you know.

Speaker 13 (32:55):
You you plan it out to go, you know, in
your head before.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
The season, so you know, it's it's definitely been difficult.

Speaker 19 (33:03):
Do you think you think you guys had enough answers
to what they ran on defense today, like the in
to what.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
You what you saw and what options you had.

Speaker 13 (33:12):
Y you trust the game plan, you have those conversations
with the coaches, and you know, you just do your
best to to execute. And you know, for myself and
and for our team, we had opportunities and we d
we didn't.

Speaker 12 (33:22):
Do that at a you know, a level enough to
to win the game.

Speaker 11 (33:26):
Was just as uncomfortable as you think you have felt
in the pocket since.

Speaker 9 (33:30):
You've been here.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Mm.

Speaker 12 (33:33):
Yeah, I T I thought they did a good job.
Thought they did a good job with you.

Speaker 13 (33:37):
Know, staying through to rush lanes and you know, the
the the opportunities that you have, you know, in the
game when you know you're kind of in those exotic downs,
and you know when they're trying to light it up,
you know, you'd you just try to your best to
you know, stay composed during all that. But I thought that,

(33:59):
you know, they did a good job.

Speaker 23 (34:00):
The fortunate part of it is you get to a situation,
you prepare so much for this defense what you thought.

Speaker 12 (34:05):
You would get, then the game starts.

Speaker 23 (34:07):
When you're leave here, do you feel more prepared? You know,
unfortunately this league is a one game and that's it.
But if you were to see this team again next weekend,
do you feel like you would go into that game
because of what you experienced today maybe a little bit
differently prepared to face them now that you've seen them.

Speaker 13 (34:26):
Well, I didn't think that there was anything that I
felt like I hadn't seen on film. You know, we
kind of knew how they were early downs and then
when they got into you know, exotic downs depending on
where the ball was on the field.

Speaker 12 (34:37):
But we were gonna see and you know, opportunity wise,
I think that you just have to be great.

Speaker 13 (34:44):
You know when you have those opportunities, you know to
throw the ball, and a lot of them are you know,
I'm throw down. You gotta be able to you know,
make those plays and and uh, you know everybody'd be
on the same page.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
You might have been helpful to throw the.

Speaker 12 (34:59):
Bit and more on those early downs. Uh I I
I trusted the plan.

Speaker 13 (35:02):
We had conversations and you know, as players, you know,
we have communication with the coaches and you go there
and you just your best to execute what.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
It's been called.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Have you have you have you been ever been part
of the game?

Speaker 9 (35:13):
I think it was thirteen passing yards?

Speaker 12 (35:16):
No, I haven't, I think close?

Speaker 9 (35:18):
What would you guys? Then I have to I have
to do a game of this. I you don't want
to live the details of it. But what do Jamis
and Russ What are they able to give you as
better in quarterbacks when you're seeking accounsel after.

Speaker 12 (35:29):
A tough game like this? Probably the big thing is perspective.
You know they've been through a lot.

Speaker 13 (35:38):
You know they've had, you know, crazy good games, they've
awed games where you know they struggle themselves.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
And you know, so a lot of this is.

Speaker 12 (35:49):
You know, new for me, and you know you definitely
you know, lean on those guys and have those conversations.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Since you've come back from from the cancussion.

Speaker 20 (35:58):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (35:58):
Statistic our numbers on every statistically, they haven't been three
stellar games between Washington or in the new one. Have
you noticed things specifically.

Speaker 19 (36:07):
From the defense maybe playing you a little bit differently
than before that compared to.

Speaker 9 (36:11):
How they are now?

Speaker 12 (36:13):
Now, I wouldn't I wouldn't say too much. I mean, y,
each defense is different than you play tweak.

Speaker 13 (36:22):
So you know, you just do your best to t
prepare and you know whatever it is called you start
right they're next year.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
What do you hope you take away from this gap?

Speaker 12 (36:32):
Yeh mean, just not let it happen again like this.

Speaker 9 (36:37):
So if you've done Jackson the positives of your anasts.

Speaker 17 (36:40):
But you by the end of the game, you have
three different offensive linemen, different stories.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You've been pligned with.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
What was that like?

Speaker 9 (36:45):
You said, duh, a different offensive line? You had three
of your starters out?

Speaker 12 (36:49):
What was that like for you?

Speaker 13 (36:52):
Now, I've I've gotten ups of all those guys throughout
my time here, so you know, this is probably the
first time we've had that much movement and rotation uh 'em.
But you know, I've I trust in all those guys
and you know, they prepare it and it work really hard,
and you know, so you know I've I've all the
trust in the world in them.

Speaker 23 (37:10):
After it, after you guys tied it up, After you
guys tied it up, and then the defense was on
the field. Could watching you from up top on the sideline,
you were, you know, bouncing back and forth, pacing around.
What's the mentality in that situation or are you blocking
everything else out and just say give me one more shot?

Speaker 14 (37:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (37:26):
Absolutely, that's definitely what's what's going through your mind. And
I felt like I thought the defense played it an
amazing game and could have had another another touchdown, you know,
So I thought they did.

Speaker 12 (37:39):
A great job tonight. You know, we just didn't play.
Get enough complimentary football off of 'em.

Speaker 9 (37:44):
What pretty big factor today?

Speaker 10 (37:46):
What are you learning about the wads about the stadium?

Speaker 12 (37:51):
Mm? I didn't feel like it was going you know
that whole too.

Speaker 10 (37:54):
I know it wasn't today going to say in general
that you've had last week he had some ways just
this O everything would just say it as you then.

Speaker 9 (38:00):
You play here at home, the win is always about,
so at you're learning anything about how do you played
a win in the meadlelands.

Speaker 13 (38:11):
As things that you know, you know, kind of the
red repport before the game, but I didn't feel like
there was any really wind factor to even kind of
make adjustments off of today for me personally, how.

Speaker 12 (38:23):
Do you deal with drops by receivers?

Speaker 13 (38:27):
Just to you know, what I could have done better to,
you know, make it easier for him?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
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Speaker 1 (38:39):
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Speaker 2 (39:01):
Back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the
Vikings sixteen to thirteen. They lose their ninth straight. Guys
reactions to toy Or from Andrew Thomas, He did not
sound super enthusiastic this store hamstring.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, it feels like this could be something that Lingers,
and with two weeks to go, you might not see
Andrew Thomas again. It's not necessarily a horrible thing because
you're gonna get Marcus Bow a lot of snaps protecting
Jackson Dart's backside here for these last couple of games,
and so it'll be good for the young player to play.
But it does sound like Andrew Thomas is not optimistic
to be back this season.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And then Jackson doar Bob not many answers as to
the struggles today.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Ah No, this had a little bit of a feel
of Eli's rookie year with the zero quarterback rating against Baltimore.
In Baltimore, the only difference is is that you know,
Eli had Tom Coughlin, Eli had Kevin Gilbride, right, he
had Chris Palmer, like he there, it.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Was the beginning for Jackson Dart.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yes, this is the beginning, but it's a whole new
group that's coming in.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Next It'll be another new beginning, right right, So it's
it's a little bit different.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
And also, you know Eli's rookie year, he had a
moni tumor, and he had Tiki Barber, and he had
he had Jeremy Shocky, he had like legitimate players on
the team offensively that you felt like, Okay, the old
line's gonna grow and.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, and that's whole line at that point was still young.
I mean they were young, correct, they were they barely
had killed together, and all of a sudden they end
up playing basically four years maybe five years without missing
a game.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Correct, But they had but he had you, yeah, and
he had a Moni tumor, and he had Jeremy Shaki, Like, Okay,
this was a bad game against the defense that totally
befuddled and and betwixt him. But there is a reason
there are there are pieces, there are legit pieces around.
I don't know if Jackson Dart has that same scenario.

(40:57):
He does not have Tiki Barber, he does not have
am Now he does have Molik neighbors when he eventually
gets back.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
So yeah, this is all part of the learning curve.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, you can argue that this skilled position players other
than Theo Johnson who that he's playing with in this game.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I guess Tyrone Tracy will be here for the next
few couple of years. But who is going to be
here and be the potential pro bowler that's going to
play with Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's the question that you have to ask yourself. I
was playing today, No, but I think Cam Scatabu can
come back.

Speaker 14 (41:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I mean I'm talking about playing today and playing next
week against the Las Vegas Raiders and then playing in
weeks eight seventeen or week eighteen actually against the Dallas Cowboys.
Which of those players is he building with so that
next season they can start having confidence in what they're
doing together. It's no different than what we had had
the conversation with about Abdul Carter last weekend. How you're

(41:49):
not building for momentum for a team next year, but
as an individual, you could figure something out, something could click,
the light switch could go on, and all of a sudden,
each and every week you start balling. And by the way,
Abdol Carter had a pretty decent day today affecting the offense,
the Minso's offense. He had a sack again, and so
it felt like maybe he's starting to figure it out

(42:10):
and that's a good thing for next year. But for
Jackson Dart, what the heck is he figuring out with
these guys who can't hold on the passes And you
have a day like you had the day which was
clearly his worst offensive output that we've seen.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
All seasonson his fifteenth in the NFL at the eight
hundred and eighty two receiving games.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
I understand that, But what did Wando Robinson do today?
He did not do much.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
My point is just going back to that ELI situation.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
You know, not only was their tumor and shocky antiki,
there was also a killer as part of that, right,
you know there was so yeah, it's a little bit different,
and you knew that it was just the beginning of something.
Tom Coughlin took an expansion franchise in Jacksonville and in
year two had him in an AFC championship game, and

(42:56):
then had him in another conference championship game a few
years later. You had known quantity there. It's a little
bit different here with Dart with a lot of the
unknown moving forward.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You mentioned a good game by abdul Carter. He'd a
sacking this game.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
A couple of tackles be diaded that crucial offsides penalty
late in that game as well to take a potential
pick six off the board.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Let's hear from abdual Carter in the locker room after.

Speaker 20 (43:19):
Games a solid defensive after what you still kept the
team under twenty points for then't enough to win?

Speaker 18 (43:25):
How much do us it?

Speaker 24 (43:27):
Yeah, obviously it's frustrating, But like I said, the defense,
we got to control control that. He was the second
best defense today. We got a little dad. We got
to come back attacking me better.

Speaker 20 (43:35):
Yet we did get another shot today, third straight game
we've been able to do that. I mean, things will
still come along for you.

Speaker 24 (43:40):
It looks like, Yeah, I wouldn't just say shout out
to Chuck for that. Obviously our DC are new. DC
is putting us, putting me in better positions out of defense.
Trusts him, he's talking to us, he's communicating. He has
our are So shout out of Chuck for that.

Speaker 20 (43:52):
What do you think was the most difficult part about
the thorn and lungs. It seemed like they had a
number of those conversions.

Speaker 24 (43:58):
Yeah, that's that's the part that hurts the boss. Uh,
we gotta get off the field. We get we get
a team in the situation like that, that's the situation
we want. We just gotta get off the field.

Speaker 20 (44:06):
The Vikings drive when they finally killed the clock, how
difficult was that to swallow. What were you guys looking for?
You knew obviously you needed to pull back one more time.

Speaker 24 (44:14):
Yeah, just tried to get the ball back to the
oh so that you make it play for us.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
We didn't end up getting it.

Speaker 9 (44:18):
Gotta come back to better.

Speaker 11 (44:19):
When you see the interception and you know it's called back,
you know right away that they called you for that.

Speaker 24 (44:26):
No, I didn't know it was me, but I think
I heard in the last figure that that hurt me. Uh,
I hurt the team right there, especially for Holley to
go back to the house.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
That's on me.

Speaker 9 (44:34):
I got you better.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Did you realize that you had jumped at me?

Speaker 20 (44:36):
You just trying?

Speaker 9 (44:37):
I didn't.

Speaker 24 (44:38):
I don't think I jumped this set. My hand was
in a interest on something like that. But yeah, that wone' hurt.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
Did you go back and look at it, like, did
you did you see it? I seen him on replay.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That's at due quarter after the game, guys, and just
obviously you know you see your teammate get a pick
six Tiki.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
As someone that played the game, I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I don't know if you ever been in a situation
like that, unough you maybe got called for a holding
penalty or something like that on the d pass for
a touchdown or whatever. But I imagine those particularly sting
when you see your teammate make a great play and
you did something boneheaded and that takes it off the ball.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, I mean, and God, and when I went back
going to look at this multiple times, it's really close.
I mean, I know his hand is on the line.
It is technically a ear line up in the neutral zone,
but it's very close. And it's unfortunate because that was
a huge play that this Giants defense had made in
addition to all the other big plays that they've made.
I mean, they had four sacks in this game, and
Abdul Carter, while having one sack, also had two or

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four QB hits.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Which led the team as well.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So he was constantly a nuisance for whichever one of
those two quarterbacks was back there from Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
He kind of took a shot a little bit at
the pass defensive coordinator because he mentioned Charlie Balling, and
carl Banks noticed it, you know, and has noticed it.
They seem to have more of a plan on how
to utilize it.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
They're getting him on guards and centers a lot.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Yeah, they're moving him around. They're not just having him
come off the edge and listen. Kudos to kudos to
you know, them figuring out a way to get him unleashed.
And you know, I think that's a positive sign. I'm
too little, too late, but for him and his maturation process,
that's good news.

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Speaker 2 (46:28):
All right, Bob, you're gonna bounce here. Give me your
final thoughts. You can even look ahead a little bit
next week against the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
What do you yeah, I don't know. I mean, the
Raiders are the worst team in the league.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
I know.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Look, the Giants only have two wins. But you know,
the last two weeks have been miserable. But you know,
over the course of this season, there's been great opportunities.
But you know, it's gonna be interesting to see because
we were encouraged about Marcus bow, uh coming out of
training camp.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
What we saw.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
We're gonna get a look at Marcus Bow now n
Crosby Max Crosby and Co. Company Crosby hasn't turned it off.
And you know, Carl Banks always talks about the Jenga piece,
and unfortunately for the Giants the last two years, when
Andrew Thomas, the Jenga piece has been pulled out, the
offensive line has collapsed. Now you look at other teams,

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I mean, look what the Chargers are doing. They're missing
two Pro Bowl tackles, right, not one, but two. We've
got against teams that are missing starting Pro Bowl offensive
linemen and they haven't fallen apart. I want to see
what the Giants do to make it look presentable, missing
an All Pro kind of player, because it should not
be a Jenga piece when now all of a sudden

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they can't run, they can't or they can't do anything.
And I would expect them to be better than we've
seen in past years. But we don't wish all of
our listeners a very happy holiday. I Knowlhonka is in
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next week we can get things rolling with the end

(47:59):
this losing streak at least again. We do this because
we want to see wins. I don't really care about
a draft pick because it's not necessarily who you pick
or when you pick them. It's who's picking them and
right right decisions right because you know, speaking of picks,
I mean, Jalen Hyatt's a healthy scratch.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Today, there's Owie Hook.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Wherever you pick in the NFL draft, there's going to
be a very good player that you can select. You
just got to select the right guy right and then
help him become a really development NFL player, correct, Because
it's not all guys that get hot drafted first second round.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
They're all not all good right away.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Times round picks fifty percent hit right pretty much, man,
but sometimes it takes some time. It takes some time
to develop these guys.

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Speaker 2 (50:18):
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Speaker 15 (50:59):
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Speaker 2 (51:07):
We're back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to
the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. That's nine straight losses. Now
for the Giants, they're two and thirteen with two games remaining.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
That's ugly.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
John Schmolke, Ticky Barber joined by Paul Detino. We'll take
you up until five point fifty when NETS basketball comes
your way. Right here on the fan. After the game,
Brian Burns, what are the team captains? He had two
sacks today, the force fumble that turned into the Giants
loan touchdown returned by Tyler Newman for a score.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He talked to the media after the game. Here's Brian Burns.

Speaker 9 (51:36):
You're in your uniform again long after this one.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
Reply, But you were in your uniform long after this game.

Speaker 15 (51:44):
If I was offside, coming along with you, hanging.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
Talking to the drive talk.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
When you're you know right, nine knew nine lost in
the kind What was that suit?

Speaker 9 (52:03):
Gall guess that's a numbers Is it the fueling?

Speaker 6 (52:07):
What does it feel like?

Speaker 12 (52:08):
I guess the Nine Straights country.

Speaker 15 (52:10):
You know, it's the same feeling as it was last week.
You know it's annoying, you know it's a little disappointing,
but you know you just gotta keep swinging.

Speaker 12 (52:20):
Does it feel more disappointed?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Ice played the way they.

Speaker 23 (52:23):
Did almost gonna getting the turnovers, making those players just
holding N twenty.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
Points a bit.

Speaker 15 (52:28):
But you know, we shot ourselves in the foot which
brought that back. So you know, we can't blame nobody
but ourselves.

Speaker 19 (52:33):
I don't wanna be disrespectful to them.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
But when they put up rookie, undrafted rookie.

Speaker 19 (52:38):
Quarterback in the game for the second half, are you
expecting you guys.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
To kind of tee off on him?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Nah?

Speaker 6 (52:43):
I d I knew he wasn't going to.

Speaker 12 (52:44):
I knew they wasn't gonna let us.

Speaker 15 (52:46):
They was barely letting us tee off on McCarthy.

Speaker 18 (52:49):
And you know that's just due to how.

Speaker 15 (52:50):
The game was going. You know, they they ran like uh,
I think like four or five screens and like the
first eleven players or some something crazy like that. But
you know, they they I think, I like that game
plan was to you know, try to neutralize the line,
let make the reads easy for him, let it let
him get the ball to JJ get in the rhythm.
So you know they weren't gonna let it see off
on either one of 'em.

Speaker 19 (53:10):
This is what did you I'm sorry, I was like
coming over, what did you see on your stripped sack
that you were totally unlocked.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yet very often they don't. But I ain't a lie.
This year, I've been getting a couple of free beats.

Speaker 15 (53:21):
I don't know, I'm living right, But I didn't see
much of nothing. I think the the tackle must have
squeezed down after the chip or something like that.

Speaker 9 (53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (53:29):
And it looked like he was It looked like he
was losing the ball as I hit him.

Speaker 9 (53:33):
So it just worked out.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
When did you gut checked? What?

Speaker 6 (53:36):
What?

Speaker 10 (53:37):
What?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Injury checked?

Speaker 9 (53:38):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (53:38):
Seventy six? Clean me up? They were just going through
you know, regular protocol or whatever. But I'm just upset
I didn't get a chance to get back.

Speaker 19 (53:47):
They seemed like you might not have been happy with
the No, it wasn't dirty play.

Speaker 9 (53:53):
It wasn't dirty.

Speaker 10 (53:53):
It's football play.

Speaker 15 (53:54):
But Fries, it looked like, uh, dark came by to
talk to you before you went and got checked out.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Was everything specifically that he said that you could share
with us.

Speaker 15 (54:04):
No, he was just like motivating. I don't think he
knew what was going on yet.

Speaker 12 (54:09):
That was all that was.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
That's Brian Burns after the game. Another big game for him, Tiki. Yeah,
he continues to play well, and he's right. You look,
when you get fifteen sacks in the year, you're you're
gonna get some freebies and you're gonna get some help
in there. And he's gotten a few of those unblocked
ones or clean up sacks this year. But he's one
of those guys that's always been better than his sack
numbers have vindicated. So I feel like this is some
of the you know, things coming around from some earlier
years in your career.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Maybe he was better than the sack numbers may have indicated.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
The best thing you can say about Brian Burns is
that you know what you're getting every single week.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
He is coming with the with the same intensity and
the same fire that he had at the very beginning
of the season. And I know this is frustrating for
him and he even said it, you can hear.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
It in his voice.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Because of his last three seasons, you know this this
one obviously the last one. Last year, which was his
first year with the New York Giants. They won three
games his last year and in Caroline he won three games.
Think it's been a bad stretch for a guy who
is a very good football player, and ultimately you want
to win, right, You want to be on a team

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that is gives you pride about, you know, not just
yourself individually, but about what you're doing as an organization
and as a unit. And he thought he was getting
that when he came to New York and it just
hasn't materialized for him.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
So just just listening to him.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Throughout the week, you could tell that it's starting to
wear on him. And for teams that are part for
players that are part of losing teams for that long,
it wears on you.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Man.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Losing sucks, you.

Speaker 20 (55:37):
Know what, Tiki, And this is why I have so
much respect for him, because you can hear the pain
in his voice and you can see it on his face.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
It's it's eating him alive. Right.

Speaker 20 (55:47):
But we watch these games and I know we all
talk about sacks, and we all talk about the pressures
on the quarterback and the players in the pocket. There
was a play in the first half of this game
which to me typify what Brian Burns is all about
being a pros pro. He was coming off the left
edge of the defense and the Vikings ran to draw

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play and Jones goes up the middle and there's nobody home,
they clean out the Giants defensive tackles, and he's about
to take off on what looks like it could be
a ten yard run, and there's Brian Burns peeling off the.

Speaker 18 (56:22):
Edge, stopping on a dime, changing.

Speaker 20 (56:25):
Direction, coming back horizontally and making the tackle for only
a three yard game. That's the kind of play that
Brian Burns makes that shows you not only what kind
of football player he is, but how he is such
a professional play.

Speaker 18 (56:45):
All of the misery.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
It's the effort, regardless of the circumstance or situation. You
feel his effort every single play, and you can't say
that about everybody. And Tay Banks is the perfect example.
He's out there playing like he doesn't care, taking bad angles,
not even chasing down after he gets run around by
Aaron Jones, and.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
It sucks that he has to play, but he has
to play because.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Their their their depth is compromised, especially when Cordell Fly
went out with a banged up knee.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
All right, well, well, another player that played well today
was Tyron Tracy. Sixteen carries seventy one yards in this game.
First two carries of the game went for thirty one yards.
An eighteen yard run in the thirteen yard run, also
with two catchers for seven yards. He addressed the media
after the game. Here's Tyron Tracy Junior.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
Tyrone.

Speaker 20 (57:28):
We've been talking about him for last month. You seem
to have your legs going. You seem to have that
run game going, and today it was quite for seventy
plus yards. But I thought it was an effective run.

Speaker 18 (57:36):
Name even though the fasting game wasn't really working so well.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, I mean I think we had a good plan.

Speaker 12 (57:42):
You know, Online coach, you know Titans coach.

Speaker 13 (57:46):
They came together, put together, put together a great plan
for the run game, and we went out there and executed.

Speaker 20 (57:51):
How much did you know about the run game being
the heavy part of the game plan.

Speaker 18 (57:55):
Going into the leak.

Speaker 20 (57:56):
I mean, you knew they were gonna blitz a lot, right,
but you couldn't have anticipated the wind was gonna be
as cold and as the effective as it was. So
what what was the thought going in with the run game?

Speaker 12 (58:05):
Yeah, I mean, we knew that we were gonna run
the ball. I think as as running backs.

Speaker 13 (58:10):
We want that these are the type of games that
we want just because of the uh they're.

Speaker 12 (58:14):
Relying on us to make a place.

Speaker 15 (58:16):
They're relying on us in the run game to get
the offensive going, and that's you know, uh.

Speaker 12 (58:19):
We carry our pride of that type of pride uh within.

Speaker 24 (58:22):
Our room, just to be the motor of the offense
and continue to get first out, the first down.

Speaker 12 (58:27):
And try to get third down time.

Speaker 9 (58:28):
I think today you.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Know within the run game, and you know we did
that all right.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
Now. You knew coming in you're gonna run a lot,
but you also know that when you do try to
throw it, they're gonna be applying a lot of seat.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
You knew that your.

Speaker 20 (58:39):
Left guard, your strutting left guard, Runion was out before
the game. And yet you guys as running backs after
helping that pass protection, how well do you think you
did with that, because even though you didn't throw as much,
you also.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
Didn't get a lot of your Yeah, I mean I
think we did.

Speaker 24 (58:52):
We had time protecting a lot of Obviously all this
kind of stuff up our room.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
I had a whole inde penalty, but for the most part,
you know, when our number was called, we.

Speaker 12 (59:02):
Held up our our end of the bargain. But I think
overall that the offense.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
We just have to clean up the little.

Speaker 24 (59:07):
Details more efficient when you know the type of blitzes
and stuffs until the time.

Speaker 20 (59:12):
What was the most difficult part of at the last
offensive drive that you guys had when you were trying
to go down to the trying field goal and then
w end up turning to it over on downs.

Speaker 12 (59:21):
Nothing difficult about it, to be honest.

Speaker 13 (59:23):
I think we had the right play causing we had
the right play causing he personally, I got to get
more out of some of.

Speaker 12 (59:30):
The runs that that we had within that last drive.

Speaker 13 (59:34):
But yeah, I mean I think when when the ball
comes your way and you know.

Speaker 12 (59:39):
You have the opportunity to see the moment, you got
to see the moment.

Speaker 13 (59:42):
And I think that overall, we as a as an
offensive unit, we have to be better that we turn.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Thanks for time, Thank you. And Tracey has really played well.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
No, he has since Scataboo went out and he really
became like the full time back again.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Tikey, he's run the ball hard again.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
One part of the interview that that we took out
of the pre game show, I asked him, I said, look,
if you always seemed like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
At one point during he started running hard again, He goes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yeah, I felt a little more confident after the shoulder injury,
and I got into it with him again and he
looks like a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Now you went the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I think you feel really good about him and Skataboo. Yeah,
as your two headed back. Reality is you need two
running backs. In today's NFL. It's hard for guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
And that's partly because of just the callousing. You don't
you don't get that in training camp. You don't get
guys used to four hundred plus touches. It's also because
of the injury issue, meaning you get a nick, they're
not letting you play through it anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
You know, in my era, I could play through injuries
and just say I'm going I have a hamstring injury,
I have a broken whatever, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
I'm playing. And so you can't really do that anymore.
So you need two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
And I think this combo is good for the New
York Giants for two reasons. One because they're so different
in mentality camp Scattaboo is gonna try to run through
you or town and Tracy is more of a slasher
as we talked about in the pregame. But I think
more importantly they're interchangeable. You don't have to change your
playbook for each individual. They can both pass partici they

(01:01:04):
can you can keep your playbook exactly the same for
both of them, and they can both be productive in
whatever offense. It ultimately is is going to be dialed
up next year for this New York Giants team with
a new staff. So I like his mentality, I like
his ability to be a playmaker, and I hope in
the future he gets a lot more opportunities to do it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:24):
Tikky, I want to ask you about his prowess today
against this particular defense you faced eight men boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
All the Eagles used to do it every weekend we
played them.

Speaker 18 (01:01:34):
Yeah, it was just an habitual for you.

Speaker 20 (01:01:37):
Now today, I log this until the final four minutes
of the game when I was on the field, and
it's hard for.

Speaker 18 (01:01:41):
Me to do the counting. I count the fronts on
every single play.

Speaker 20 (01:01:46):
Only one carry today for Tyrone Tracy had less than
six men on the line of scrimming right, only one He.

Speaker 18 (01:01:55):
Manned for over seventy yards.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
A lot of times some of those guys are bowling
though at the snap doesn't It doesn't matter though, because
it's still it's the front. It's still in the camps, right,
and it's the pre snap call that you're trying to make,
and so it's tell me about the dynamics against the
six man front.

Speaker 18 (01:02:09):
So seven man front two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
It's really the seven man front you have to work about,
worry about because usually when there's six, one of those
unblocked guys is going to be backside to you. So
if you're cutting back, if you're a slasher like him,
maybe you have to think about it, but you really
can ignore the back the back end guy. The challenge
though with seven man boxes is that someone's going to
be unblocked, and so as a runner, I was always

(01:02:32):
told that's your guy, So you have to understand who's
going to be unblocked and where he's going to be unblocked.
It like meaning where are you going to come into
contact with him? So if he's meeting you in the hole,
you got to think in your mind pre snap, I'm
gonna have to go behind this, right, I'm gonna have
to go out. I can't beat him in the hole
where there's no room for me to maneuver, so I'm
gonna have to likely cut this ball back now if

(01:02:53):
he gets caught up and I can stay play side. Fine.
The second part is of that mindset is what if
he's just on that second level. And it's at that
second level when you really had to start thinking about
how am I beating him?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Am I juking him?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Am I leaning powerful powerfully into him to stagnate his
attack on me?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Hopefully?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
I asked, stay on my feet and I keep going,
Or am I stuttering in the hole? Jump cutting outside
of it and going around, you know, to the outside.
So it's it's about having a game plan by knowing
that one guy is on blocked. It's my guy. Now,
it's my job to figure out how to beat him.
As she grows as a running back. Did you like
how he handled it today?

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I mean I saw that last years in his rookie season,
you'd see him with the unblocked guy. And this was
specifically noticeable to me in his first start actually in
Seattle as a game that I was calling out there
for CBS, and he would set up that unblocked guy
to jump to the wrong side of the block and
then he'd cut behind it, or he'd set him up

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and then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
He'd stay play side.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
So he does a good job of seeing that second level,
which is which is it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Them out for good running backs to break long runs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
It's easy to get three, four yards, six yards, oh
even a twelve yard run, but to go sixty, to
go fifty, you have to be able to think ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
And I think Tyrone will evolve into that eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Excellent question, Paul, and I think to give credit to
the Giants tight ends because they've had a lot of
two and three tight ends sets early in this game,
and that's gonna bring those seven to eight man boxes
and you have to block those guys up. And I
think the Giants tight ends Deo Johnson, Daniel Bellinger, Chris
Manhurst most of the year they've done a pretty dark.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Good job blocking them. Look, the other thing is that big.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Plays don't happen without wide receivers committed the blocking down field.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I will be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Forever grateful for Plexico, burrs Amani tumor even Ike in his.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
What's just gotten away a guy it has gotten the
way it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
I mean, if you go back and look at some
of my longest runs of my career, you're talking these
fifty yarders. The ninety five yarder I had against the
Oakland Raiders, right, but I make a guy miss at
the point of attack, I beat the safety.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
It's just ten yards downfield.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Now I'm running down the sideline and all of a sudden,
I get an escort. So Plexico comes from behind me,
picks off one guy. Amani comes from the other side
of the field walls off the other guy, and so
I can waltz into the end zone without having to
juke my way fifty sixty yards downfield. So it's a
committed effort and it's unselfish play.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
And when I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
See wide receivers that do that, it gets me excited.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Right, hines Ward was the perfect be one of those
guys in the NFL. I mean people forgotten him at
this point, but hines Ward as a defender you feared
because he was coming to clean you up from somewhere. Right,
one of those running backs Mendenhall, whoever it was for
the for the Steelers would be ten yards downfield and
hines Ward would come and crush a linebacker. And those

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type of things spark huge plays and change games. And
so we need football players on this team that do that,
not just I'm a dev I got ten catches or
ten targets in this in this game, I did something
to help my teammate have a huge day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
All right, let's squeeze in a call here. Let's go
to John and haz it before we take our final break. John,
what's going on?

Speaker 20 (01:06:08):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
What's up? John?

Speaker 14 (01:06:09):
Uh?

Speaker 25 (01:06:10):
What's up?

Speaker 14 (01:06:10):
Guys?

Speaker 25 (01:06:10):
Just left the game with my Viking fan daughter was
in Chicago, but she's happy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Of course.

Speaker 25 (01:06:18):
Listening to Dart's post game, I felt he said the
right things, and I don't believe a word that he said.
He sounded so frustrated with with the play calling.

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
And listen, they they did it last week too. They
started off. I think he threw ten passes in the
first in the first half, and they never rented up. Now,
I you know, he did it, throw some great dances,
but then when he did he had drops today, which whatever,
you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 25 (01:06:49):
But he was not happy with Halfka at all. And
I think Kafka, you know.

Speaker 21 (01:06:53):
Made it clear. I don't think he want this job.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
You know, and he didn't. He didn't coach like it done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
You make a good point, because yeah, listening to jack
listen to Jackson Dart's press conference appreciate it was a
couple of things.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
One, he felt very defeated.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
There was a lot of humility in there, but he
also was he was holding back saying things that he
can't say, like some of these guys just aren't good enough.
Like he can't just say that right. He can't say
I don't trust Darius Slayton. I threw a perfect ball
in the middle of his chest and he dropped it.
He can't say those things. But you know that's got

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to be eaten at him. And I hope for him
as a leader that he goes and has that conversation
with Darius Slayton and says, look, you're here for the
next couple of years because the contract that Joe Shane
gave you. I need to be able to count on you.
I need you to catch that ball. You can't be
lackadaisical and lase a fair about playing this game on

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any level. I don't give a crap for two and
twelve like this. This matters. Growth matters for meaning for me,
and it matters for this team. And until you get
that kind of accountability coming from the leaders in this team,
what the hell can you expect right, when it's okay
to suck, then guess what you're going to suck. And
so I know that Mike Kafka tries to be motivational

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and inspirational.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
It's not happening from him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
It's gotta come from the guys at ball on the
football field. And that's the Brian Purges of the world.
That's the Dexses of the world, that's the Jackson Darts
of the world. Hell, even Tyrol and Tracy. Sometimes you
gotta be pissed off about mediocrity. And I don't think
enough of these guys on this team are upset up
because of how poorly they've played over the last couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So in that first half, just so we have the
numbers right, seventeen rushes eighty yards, Jackson Dart was one
to five for two yards. He did have three other dropbacks.
He got sacked twice. He got sacked. The third time
it got called back because the unnecessary roughness blow to
the head. So, in fairness to Mike Kafka and Tik
talked about this at halftime. When Dark did drop back

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to pass in that first half, it did not It
was rough again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
This isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
This isn't Mike, This isn't on Mike Cafka. I'm just
saying I don't think Mike Kafka.

Speaker 18 (01:09:05):
Is the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
No, No, I was caller in terms of talking about the
number of runs passes in the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I mean that is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
You do what you need to do to try to
mitigate what's going to be a very aggressive defensive front.

Speaker 20 (01:09:16):
And that was exactly players said in the locker room,
and you heard Tracy talking about it. They knew it
was going to be a run heavy game plan all along,
and it should have been, by the way against this Viking. Yeah,
so your savers have to go into this game understanding,
I'm gonna're not We're not going to get the ball.

Speaker 18 (01:09:32):
We got to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But when you do, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
But when you do get the ball, you better make
those players the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Don straight when you're gonna get minimal opportunities, but when
you get one, you better make it because it might
not come again. I think that's that's the message. And
this happens all the time in football. Like you have
a game plan, you get out there, you start playing,
and it's just it's not quite right, like something feels
off and then somebody's got to step up and make
an initiative.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
In order to get it right. That needs be Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Now he's still young, so hasn't fully understood uh you know,
scheming and game planning and how to attack certain defensive
schemes that are gonna come his way. But that's the
step you need to see him take so that when
he's at the line of scrimmage, he knows how to
get everybody on the on the same page.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
And he's got to do it quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
He can't be thinking about it and sitting there while
the play clock is ticking down to three four or
three two and then one. All of a sudden, he's
he's hurrying to get the ball snapped. Everybody's confused, and
he has no idea what he needs to do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
So there's a there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Process and growth that needs to happen with him, and
it'll come.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
At least I hope it will come. I think he's
the guy uh here for the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
But that's that's that's the next.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Step I need to see from Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Let's take a time out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
We got about twenty four minutes to go, and that's
basketball comes your way of five poin fifty right here
on the fan.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
We'll take your calls the rest of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
At eight eight eight, eight oh eight one zero one nine,
Giants fall to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
This is Mike Kafka, head coach of the New York Giants,
and you're listening to Giants football on the fan Wfan
and Wfan FM.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Or we're back here at Giants extra point. Giants fall
to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. In this ball game,
let's go back to the phone and say what's up
to Richie and Queen's Richie.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
What's happening? Man? Hey, Richie?

Speaker 14 (01:11:14):
Hey John? Are you and tik I want to wish
you a happy Merry Christmas. I wish John on Thursday
on Saturday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 14 (01:11:20):
Mary. Hey, you know what I'll tell you. I didn't
get the game today. I'm from PA. I was a
little upset, not really upset.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
You, miss m No.

Speaker 14 (01:11:31):
I didn't. But I looked at the phone, guys, and
I saw the numbers to dot and I said, my
phone's back. It's got to be wrong thirty five In
this day and a we could say whatever we want
at this point, John, We've discussed it more than once.
What are we looking for? Is Joe saying going to
show some life at the end of the year. Is
Jackson Dot going to be our guy? Jackson Daughtist is regressed,

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and again I'm going to stick with Dot, but he
has shown really nothing. At this point, our defense has
stepped to a certain degree. This is not the eighty
five Bears that we have to go into a four
corner offense because we can't throw the ball downfield. This
was an absolute You touched on the teak. This is
a disgrace. This is a disgrace to the giant fans

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that does these people got to sit and watch this
debacle thirty five yards. My goodness, in this day and age,
if this is nineteen seventy when I was watching, I
can accept it. This has been an absolute disaster. You
touched on the teak. I know you're frustrated. I can
tell in your voice. I listened to you for years
and at this point in time to see where this

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team is going and to say we're gonna be okay.
We got a plan like the Mets do, and nothing's
happening at this point, no coach, no direction. Not to say,
there is so many negatives. And I know John sometimes
I'm a little negative on the show and said, but
it's very difficult to look at this debacle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
And say get it, I get it.

Speaker 14 (01:12:58):
Make any look.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Richie, you're right, especially when you look at thanks for
the call, when you get the sense that sometimes people say,
well it'll it'll turn it around, but it's not going
to turn around just because you want it to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
You have to make it turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
You have to have a coherent, cohesive and correct plan
to get this team back where we want it to be.
And we've had this conversation many times. And I even
said this with David Tyree when he was on in
our pregame because he was he was with me in
most of my career. Is that even when we had
tough seasons, we'd win games Like there weren't seasons where

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we won two or three games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
It just didn't happen. These are the teams that you
laughed at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
These are the teams that you said, like the Arizona Cardinals, Dude,
these guys don't even belong in the league. They could
lose to a college team, right. I hate to start
thinking about that, but that's how people are looking at
the New York Giants, how incomplete and how directionless they
feel they had the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Top overall picking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I know, but when you it's not a good thing.
I know, it's something that it's things that people pine for. Oh,
you got the number one overall pick. Okay, great, doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Who it means you're really bad. And it doesn't matter
who you pick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Who you pick, and it doesn't matter unless it's a
quarterback and he potentially is a franchise guy who we
got ours at twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
So it doesn't matter who you pick.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
It's what you put around them, and it's how you
craft the infrastructure of the team and the leadership structure
of the team. And I think most importantly, who are
your ballers? Who are the guys that you can count on?
We got one for sure, that's Brian Burns. Absolutely you
can count on Brian Burns. But who else can you
say that about on a consistent basis With his New

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York Giants team, Bob Papa hit on it when he
was talking about Eli's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Rookie year and Eli's rookie year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I was a vet. Amani Toomer was a VET. I
kill you was a vet. Jeremy Shocky wasn an a vet.
But damn he was a baller from jump. And you
knew it when he tried to fight Brandon Short in
the locker room, when he tried to get him to
sing his alma mater like you knew that he has.
He was a dog, right. And I hear this often
about these draft picks. Oh yeah, you have to the dog.
Shut the hell up, man, do it on Sundays consistently,

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and then I'll call you a dog. Until that happens,
You're a puppy, right, And I think right now we
have too many puppies on this team who aren't taking
it seriously enough, even in a lost season, And that's
what pisses me off.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
This is game that you are not guaranteed to play.
You don't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
You don't get here just because God gave you the
talent or you played a some whatever college and you
were the best player on the field. It is a
It takes pride to be great in this league, and
this team doesn't have enough guys like that. And until
they do, they're not gonna win. We're gonna see the
same thing over and over and over and over again.
And that starts with leadership. So whoever this next coach is,

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he's got to come in with the right freaking message
from day one, and that's accountability, whether or not you're
you think you're great or not. I think Dave's had
that year one, he absolutely had it, and he said
it you are. You have to earn your spot on
this team. You are not playing unless you earn it.
It disappeared by year three.

Speaker 20 (01:16:02):
Tiki, I have no problem with anything you just said,
but I'm gonna push back on the caller a little
bit because he was pointing to the stats and the
lower casting numbers. Well, that's why something he said rankled me.
I have no problem with the generic stuff that you're
talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:16:18):
Here's where my problem is.

Speaker 20 (01:16:20):
You come into this game with a rookie quarterback who's
never seen this kind of defense before.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
You know, the kind of game vice. Joseph does this
a little bit to some degree, but not this, not
with the frequency.

Speaker 20 (01:16:32):
So your game plan to try to win the game,
and Parcels and Conflin did this too. You know you're
gonna try to win an ugly game that's gonna be
a tugger war, that's gonna be dragged through the mud.
You're gonna run the ball two thirds of the time,
you're probably not going even if it works out well,
throw the ball from more than one hundred yards a
game anyway.

Speaker 18 (01:16:52):
So the game plan coming.

Speaker 20 (01:16:53):
In, and it was a smart game plan coming in,
was to try to win a low scoring, slow down game. Yes,
that was not going to put your rookie quarterback in
harm's way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
My only that was the game point when that said,
the past game still wasn't My.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Only one wasn't good?

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Was My only issue is that all of that may
have been true, it is invalidated when you go forward
on fourth and five from the ten yard line. It
it invalidates it because you're you're talking out of both
sides of your mouth. You're saying, this is going to
be a low scoring game. Points are going to be
at a premium. But on our first fourth down inside
the tight red area, we don't take the points.

Speaker 18 (01:17:28):
What did Kafka say when he was asked about.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
That, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
I wanted to stay aggressive, Like it's the same thing
he says about every fourth down that he goes for
I wanted to stay aggressive. Well, shut up, dude. You
either had a plan to play this thing tight and
win it the hard way, or you wanted to be
aggressive and try to blow the thing open.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Like you can't have it both ways. And I think
I think the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
With with with with Mike, with coach Kafka right now
is that he's trying to be something that he knows
his team can't be. And so as a result, you
get in these moments and he and it's nobody's ready
for it, and so it just I don't know it
just when I listen to it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
It just it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
It doesn't shape, it doesn't, it doesn't, I don't, it
doesn't add up to me, and so I can't. I mean,
I blame the players, because look, you gotta matter. I
don't think the message is clear enough. I don't think
that there is there is clear and definitive determination of
what needs to happen on each in every play, on

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each and every quarter and each and every game from
this staff right now. And so as a result, the
guys are out there looking lost half the time.

Speaker 18 (01:18:32):
Okay, valid points.

Speaker 20 (01:18:34):
I would also say to you that if I'm correct
in terms of the theory and philosophy going in whatever
inconsistencies he may have shown on individual plays.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
During the game.

Speaker 20 (01:18:44):
Yes, it's thirteen to thirteen with eleven minutes left and
they're down sixteen thirteen with the ball four minutes to
go at midfield with a chance to win the game.
So clearly, clearly the ugly game plan that they went
into the game with trying to win ugly put them

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in position to win the game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Despite despite some really bad execution.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
At times here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
But we tend to evaluate games regarding wins and losses
in the last four minutes five minutes of the games.

Speaker 18 (01:19:20):
This is the sixth to one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Now, this is the way it goes. That's the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Sometimes that definitive moment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Is in the first quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Happened in the first one. It think. That's that's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I would ask you guys a question because Richie had
a larger point about darts development. Right, let me get
your let me get your take on this the way
I've kind of seen it. And look, last week he
had a bad first half, played much better in the
second half.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
This week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
It was a rough goal. We did not play very
well against the Patriots on that Monday night. Right, those
are the last three games. I feel like as teams
have taken away the scramble weapon from him, he hasn't
quite adjusted to that yet to make some of those
big third down conversions and big plays to extend drives

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without having that scramble tool as available to him as
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Look, he is still a rookie, and a lot of
rookies in this league that have turned into really good players.
Josh Allen is the is the prime example. I think
even Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Hell even Patrick Mahomes early in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
On scrambles and scrambling and being off schedule in order
to find success. And when you start to find success,
you get confident. It doesn't necessarily have to be that
you threw for three hundred and fifty yards. It's just
that you had success. You became a winner in the
eyes of your teammates. You found you just found a
way whatever whatever it may have been. Sure, I think
part of the challenge that this offense is facing now

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as the season has gone on, is it Jackson Dart
isn't just given the playbook.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Like I watch most of these teams.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
And what I mean by this is you watch a
lot of teams in the NFL, and you'll hear it
when you listen to the to the to this radio
and TV audio. You'll they'll get to the line of scrimmans.
They've gotten the call in their head. They get up there,
they look at it. They unders dan what's a defense
is trying to do to them? Even if they're jacking
around with the coverages, and they'll kill a play, Hey
kill kill kill. That means he called one two plays

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in the huddle. And if we get a certain look,
I'm killing it. We're doing X, Y or Z. And
if I got to make some guys right, we identify
the mike, et cetera, I'm gonna handle it. I don't
think Jackson Dart is handling that. I don't think he's
been given the opportunity to learn it the hard way.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Agree with that, Like learning.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
It the hard way is the only way you're gonna
learn it. This is what Tom Brady always talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
You can't you can't just all right, this is what
you're gonna do because the mike stays on till fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Seconds and ELI have that and that's the point those
guys don't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Eli was given the entire playbook and at week nine
they said, all right, kid, go figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Guess what he sucked for seven weeks bingo. He did.
But at the end he started to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
And then we get in a two minute drive against
the Dallas Cowboys and Eli was for you get the ball,
forget forget me, forget that I you know, the touchdown
that we scored at the end. He was perfect, right,
he was. And he did it by himself. He wasn't
like he was making all those making all the calls
he was. It was by himself. He was empowered and
he ran with the empowerment. Jackson Dart is not getting
that right now.

Speaker 18 (01:22:06):
Well he's not there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
He's getting handheld to the to the line of scrimmage,
and when he gets up there, it's and things get
cluster f't as you know what I'm talking about, especially
with the Brian Floores defense.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
He doesn't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
And so I don't think he was fomixed, but I
do think he was lost.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
And a lot of that is because he's not been
empowered to be that guy yet now this offseason and
this is the challenge with him, this is the challenge
with a young quarterback getting a coach or a coach
getting fired with a young quarterback is that he's not
gonna know who his new head coach is, his new
offensive coordinator, any any of this stuff with the new
scheme's gonna look like, what the playbook's gonna look like,

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what he's gonna be asked to do, all of that stuff,
all the massinations that go into becoming a good quarterback.
He's not gonna know that until March, and right, I
think it might even be April, and it might be whatever.
He's not gonna know it for half of the off season.
And this is why when you say you can ruin
a young court a quarterback when you fire.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
The head coach, this is why. Because all of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
That now has to get jammed in this little tight window,
and because of the CBA that that the that the
players have renegotiated, they can't be around right even if
they want to be they want to be, they can't
be around now. You just weighs around it. You can
for gayzy it and you can.

Speaker 18 (01:23:20):
They're not even allowed to take the play even though
they had one balls.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
All this other stuff but I just worry about this
because all of that growth that should have happened in
this rookie season, I don't think is happening for Jackson
dark and I can see it because every single snap
he's up against the play clock. And it's because the
coaching is in his head for too long, you know
what I mean. And so to me, there's there's there's
certain ways to do this right to develop young quarterbacks.

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What the Giants are doing is not right to develop
a young quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Let's go to Harvey and Dix Sills. He's up next.
What's up, Harbor? The very Christmas buddy, Harvey?

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
What's up?

Speaker 17 (01:23:51):
Happy holidays?

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Happy holidays Harvey?

Speaker 17 (01:23:54):
Anyway? Uh, Ticky, you remember this call weeks ago. I
said that I resent these NFL players receivers who drop
catchable passes, and my coach would have given me ten laps.
And you said even more than that, I can't believe
that they still catch the ball with their body, whether
it's Steve Johnson, whether it's Slayton. Even Neighbors said last

(01:24:17):
year that I'm starting to learn at a catch a
ball with a hand. You cannot have a good offense
when your receivers can't catch balls. That's number one. Number two,
I'm a little disappointed. Jackson's Dart, in my opinion, is
the best of the rookie quarterbacks. Everybody said that trade
up and draft all your capital for camp Ward. I'll
tell you what Jackson Ward is. Even in the time

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he's played his outplayed camp Ward, you know he needs
to learn. He's a rookie forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Right right now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
You're right about that, Harvey.

Speaker 17 (01:24:49):
The thing I want to finish with is that John
Do you remember last year I had a call with
you and Jonathan and it was very emotional because I
don't believe the professional athletes will tank a play or
a game. Bottom line is, yeah, just to tank. Jackson
od is the best one, uh the best quarterback out

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of this draft in my opinion, and that's one reason
not the tank. They can not only got Abdol Carter,
they got they got Jackson Dart, which is a quarterback.
Everybody in the station knows that. That's how I wanted.
Tanking is not a good policy in the NFL, play
their careers, the coaching careers. I do not believe in tanking.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Well, Harvey, the perfect example is the team that is
maybe going to get the number one seed in the
AFC the Denver Broncos. And the last of the good
quarterbacks taken two years ago was Bo Nicks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Now bow Nicks. I mean, he might not be a
Hall of Famer, but Bo Nicks is gaming for the
Denver Broncos and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
He's gotten much better as the year's gone. Of course,
he's gotten much better as the year's ago going. But
but the Broncos didn't tank to get bo Nicks. You know,
the Barcos took the guy, and they traded up to
get him that they thought could could they could win with.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Giving Sean Payton's acumen to develop it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Works with the way payn wanted to use them and
what they've put around, right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 20 (01:26:04):
You know, it's easy to forget because Dard had some
really great moments early when he was in the lineup,
that he is still a rookie and all of this stuff,
this learning process, this maturing process.

Speaker 18 (01:26:14):
That all rookie quarterbacks have to go through.

Speaker 20 (01:26:17):
It's easy to forget he still has to go through
all this stuff. And we shouldn't get fooled by some
of the great stuff he did early.

Speaker 18 (01:26:24):
It was nice, but he still has to go through
the pumps and the bruises.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah, and okay, we'll see what it looks like as
we move forward here, Bud. He's certainly shown on the
flashes where you know there's something there, yeah, that you can.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Develop and you can turn them into a good player.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
So now you just gotta do the tough part, which
is the development and turning it into a good player,
because there's a lot of very talented players out there
that don't make himius, are not developed properly. So that'll
be now the goal moving forward and the New York
Giants heading in to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
But there's no two more games to go this year, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Next week the Giants take on the Las Vegas Raiders
in Sin City. It'll be a two o five pregame
right here on the Fan of four h five. Kick
Ticky and I will have that coverage for you right
here on the fan, of course, stay tuned this weekd
all our coverage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
On the Giants app, Giants dot Com, Giants YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Think We'll Kick Off Live will be Monday, Tuesday Friday
at twelve thirty Johns Total Podcast. We have a draft
season podcast pop his perspective. Check it all out on
the Giants official podcast network feed. Thank everybody for joining us.
Today the Giants again fall to the Minnesota Vikings sixteen
to thirteen. Everybody, hope you have a fantastic holiday week.

(01:27:27):
For those of you currently celebrating Hanukah, hope you're having
a great holiday. Christmas coming your way Christmas Eve on Wenday,
then of course Christmas Day on Thursday. I hope everyone
has a very joyous holiday. Enjoy it with your family,
and of course in the Giants come back your way
next Sunday. Right here on the fan again that four
or five King against the Las Vegas Raiders. Four Paul

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the teen oh fourteen g barb Or for Bob Pop
before Crawlbanks for Howard Cross four. Our entire crew who
did Yelman's work today? Great job everyone, As always, I
am John Schmelch. We're gonna bid you a dude from
MetLife staying again losing their nineth gra eight day fall
through the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. Coming up next Nets
Basketball right here on the fan, our guy Bulla, Bob Usler,

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Tim Capture with the call.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Nets and Raptors come in your way next,