Giants Training Camp Preview Special

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino preview everything for Giants training camp.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Giants Training Camp. Grand
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SUV of the New York Giants. Good evening, everybody. I
am John Schmelt, joined by Paul Datino. As the Baseball
All Star Game gets on the way, little counter programming
for you. Training camp is on the horizon. Giants rookies

(00:30):
reported they were in the building today, on this Tuesday,
and a week from today, the veterans are here in
East Rutherford to get ready for Veterans Training Camp. We
got a few days of unpadded practices, then the pads
come on. Then you get ready for preseason games, join practices,
and we are rolling. Paul Datino, it comes to k
it sure does, John, And you.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Know, for most people, July is hot and sticky and
it's time to go to the beach. For me, it's
like Christmas. It really is, because I'm opening the presence,
getting a chance to see the new guys coming in,
the new young folks, the rookies, the draft class, the
new free agents. This is where it all starts to
happen now, training camp on the twenty second, that's next week.

(01:14):
Everybody is going to be here. Then the next day
is the first full practice. Well, well they'll only be
in shirts and shorts. They won't actually get into full
pads until the weekend. But I will tell you, John,
there is so much optimism, so much energy in this
building right now as these folks are coming in because
the Giants know they've added a lot of talent during
this offseason and now they're just waiting for it to

(01:35):
pay dividends.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
And that brings us to our biggest storylines of camp
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dot com. So, Paul, let's go through most of the
big stories here. And I think what I'm excited to
see only because when we have spring practice here and
wear at every practice there are no pads. I want
to see Abdual Carter play with some pads on. That's

(01:56):
what I'm always excited about. You know, you take a
look at what the Giants did in the draft, and
a lot of people are going to talk about Jackson Dardan.
We are too, but Abdul Carter is going to look
like a star right away. Just his movement skills and
what we saw in the spring even without pads. We've
seen him play in pads. It's going to translate. So
I can't wait till we get that first padded practice.

(02:18):
I believe that's going to be either the Sunday or Monday.
After the players arrived, they have a few agains unpadded practice,
and they get a day off, then they come back
and go into pads. That's going to be exciting to
see him lineup against NFL offensive tackle, see him bend
that edge, use that inhuman flexibility he has rushing off
the edge, to see what he can do as the
third overall pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You know, John, I've been trying to tell some people
who haven't got a chance to see him as we have,
because we've been up close and personal during the spring
and early summer sessions on the sidelines that when you
look at him and his toolbox and his skill set
in person, he's even quicker than he looks on tape.
And I see the athleticism of a Jesse Armstad. I know,

(03:00):
you guys aren't that old. You remember Jesse Armstead, And
I see the physical frame of Pepper Johnson. So think
about that, the strength, the frame, the sturdiness of an
inside backer like Pepper, and yet the ability to have
the athleticism, to be smooth and open space and to

(03:21):
have the quickness of a Jesse Armstead. This guy is unique.
He is special, and you're right. I can't wait to
see him on the field in full pads.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I want to see the power quot shit, because that's
one thing you don't get in the spring. There are
no bull rushes. It's a lot of speed, finesse, hand
you stuff, but you don't get the power. I want
to see if he can long arm a dude, get
his hands inside in somebody's chest, on his numbers, and
back an offensive tackle into the lap of the quarterback.
We saw him do it at times in college, but

(03:52):
not to the extent that some of these bigger edge
rushers can't. Remember he's only two hundred and fifty pounds.
He's not the biggest guy in the world. So I
want to see if that power quoch shows up once
the pads come on, to go along with that athleticism
and the quickness, because that's what makes you a complete
ed rusher.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, and the second point to what you just said
are the counters, because when he's playing at Penn State,
the left tackles are the right tackles whoever he happens
to be lined up against, depending upon the side that
he's going to be on. Those guys are not NFL tackles.
They don't quite have the size or the girth or
the move athleticism specifically, I'll cap said. So when he

(04:31):
gets to this level and those NFL tackles are showing
him on every snap, hey, guess what we can toy
with you too. We can bait you, we can set
you up. Well, how is he going to do with
his counters, because when they stop his first rush, he's
got to be able to rev it up again with
a counter move to beat that guy into the backfield.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And by the way, you are going to take your
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oh eight one zero one nine eighty eight eight oh
eight one zero one nine and Paul, the Giants are
counting to be better in the trenches this year. We
saw it at the start of last year before the

(05:11):
Andrew Thomas injury happened, but it never really got going.
But you have the whole offensive line healthy. Now we're
gonna hear from Andrew Thomas a little bit. We will
get to that. You have a bunch of added players
on defense. You mentioned Abdell Carter, but also with Roy
Robertson Harris, they draft Darius Alexander, they bring in led Better,
so they bring a lot of new players here to

(05:32):
try to four to five those trenches. So seeing those
units go up against each other, could John Michael Schmidz
take the next step. He's have to block Dexter Lawrence
during training camp, you have to block Brian Burns's cavon
Thibodau take another step heading into year number four with
this fifth year option picked up, that trench stuff is
gonna be a lot of fun. Well, I really believe.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
That after the first round draft picks, obviously Carter and
Dart that to me is the second most important storyline
the Giants trench play, and it's both sides of the
line of scrimmage, as you have so well just described.
Because let's face it, no matter what you do with
the skill positions on offense. And we know the Giants
have Russell Wilson, we know Neighbors is coming back, We

(06:11):
get all of that. We know Scataboo's gonna be in
the backfield. But the bottom line is, if the OLI
doesn't do.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
What it needs to do, that's not gonna mean to
Hillo beans and Russell Wilson's a differ quarterback when he
gets pressed, of course he is. And on the other side,
if that defensive front doesn't start clogging up blockers, then
the linebackers like Bobby Okarake are gonna have guys in
their faces again like they did last year.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
They won't be free to roam, they won't be free
to plug holes. And the Giants rush defense is going
to suffer again. So both of these lines gotta get
it done.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And we're all excited for how good the pass rush
might be. But guess what if you're never in third
and long BEA's he giving up four yards to pop
on the ground, it's not gonna matter. So agreed, that's
something important to keep an eye on. And you know,
we talk about the defensive line, we should have mentioned
the offensive line. How does evanil do a guard? That's
gonna be something we're gonna see with pads for the
first time. Can he crack into the starting lineup? Can
he play well enough to supplant Greg Van Roten at

(07:06):
right guard? Wolf to wait and see. We don't know that,
but it'll be given opportunities to compete and we'll see
how that goes. We'll get to Andrew Thomas at a
second is injury. We'll hear from Andrew Thomas later in
this segment. Later on in the show, we're going have
Cavon Thibodeau a couple other interviews as well. So stay
tuned with us right here on the fan. The other
storyline and you hit it. The other first round pick,
Jackson Dart, And I'm gonna take this two different ways.

(07:28):
The Giants have a brand new quarterback room, Russell Wilson,
Jameis Winston, Jackson Dart. So I want to see what
Jackson Dart looks like as the speed and competition increases,
whether that scrimmages preseason games. We've already seen him throwing
without pads on in the spring when guys are going fast, well,
Camp's faster preseason games are faster than that, so you

(07:49):
want to see how we handles all that as he
continues down the road. And then in terms of Russell Wilson,
I want to see a continuation of the spring for
how Brian Dable has adjusted his offense with Russell Wilson
from what we saw in the spring. Paul, I think
a lot of goballs, which is not as surprise of
what Russell Wilson does best. I thought we saw a
lot of screens in the spring. We did, and it
was either quick game checkdowns or deep balls. There was

(08:13):
some intermedia stuff, There was a lot of slants and
stuff like that, but I think that's what you're going
to see. Get the ball out of his hand as
quickly as you can, get deep if you can. If
that's not there, check it down, get it to a playmaker,
let him create in space. So I'm curious to see
how that offense develops as they start to do more
and more, much like Jackson Dart, as you head into

(08:33):
better and more intense competition as you get through camp.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, you know, I think Brian Dable during the course
of the offseason probably went through his old offensive films
from last year and said, look, obviously we pulled a
lot of stuff in. I mean, the giant quarterback room
was really kind of ragged last year. I think we
would all admit to that. And so what happens is
he does the self scout and he goes, look, this

(08:56):
is what I'd really like to do. We're overturning the
quarterback room. I want to do a B, C, D
and E. So in the spring, here, in the in
the off season, he's given those guys as much of
that as he can. But now he's got to find
out once they start training camp and in the preseason
and even the first couple of regular season games, he's

(09:16):
got to find out ken those guys, specifically upfront the
offensive line, can they block it properly so that he
can run the five sections of his playbook or does
he have to start peeling back some sections because oh,
we can't block that. We've got to overcome a deficiency.
I need to make tweaks.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And then finally we talked about the scheme on offense,
we go to the scheme on defense. How much just
Shane Bowen adjust what he plans to do based on
the new personnel he has in the building. You know,
we talked about the first round picks. Well, the Giants
have all had a new personnel on defense too. We
mentioned the guys up front. They also added Javon Holland
at safety, Paulson at dbo at corner. Does that push
Shane Bowen to go to a little bit more press

(09:59):
man in certain situations, especially on third down because he
has more faith on those corners to cover man on
man in those press situations against tough wide receivers. In
passing situations, you can unleash the blitz play one on
one outside you're rocking and rolling right. So that's something
I think you have to keep an eye on as
well as we get through camp. And more importantly, I
don't think we're gonna see a whole lot Paul. I
think that might be something we have to wait until

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the regular season.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
He is going to keep that under the because the
cover of the curtains.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Everything in preseason is vanilla. So I don't expect this
learn much about bow and stuff until we get to September.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
We might learn more by watching training camp practices than
we will the preseason game, probably in terms of his
defensive mindset. You know, it's funny. They add the cover
corner in a debo. They believe that, you know, Banks
will get things right back on track in his third season.
They add the big play safety. We obviously know that
the big bodies along the defensive front are gonna provide

(10:54):
a great competition. But all of these things together. We
talk about the spider web on Big Blue Kickoff live
during weekdays all the time John on Giants dot Com
twelve thirty pm Eastern Time, by the way, and we
talk about the spider web all the time, right how
everything is intertwined. Every one facet affects other facets on
the field. We'll think about this with Bowen. He's got

(11:16):
the ability now if he wants to to send more
blitzes for the following reasons. He's got better cover guys
in the secondary. He's got better pressure guys in the
linebacking corps. I do Carter's a great blitzer. Okay. He's
also got better more talent, and more depth along the
defensive line. All three levels of his defense have lent

(11:39):
themselves to more pressure. And I would have to believe
that he has realized that and he's going to do it.
I know it's not in his usual DNA, but he's got.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
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(12:14):
about some of the big stories of camp. There are
some injuries to keep track of as well, one of
them being starting offensive tackle Andrew Thomas, who had a
bad foot injury that ended his season around what week
seven last year. I believe I'm not mistaken, right, so
we tracked him over the course of the offseason. I
had a chance to talk to him during veteran mini camp,

(12:35):
which was about a month ago, about June fifteenth is
when I had a chance to chat with him. I
led my interview with him, asking him about that foot
and what he thinks is gonna be back on the
field Daytie, how are you man?

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I'm glad. How are you all right?

Speaker 5 (12:49):
So?

Speaker 1 (12:49):
First off, how's do we have done this offseason, those
pretty serious injury you had, How you.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Feeling, Yeah, I'm feeling good. Just taking my time with it.
Don't really have a projection right now, but doing everything
that the trainers are telling me, and you know, hopefully
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, Giant fans what their most concern with? You think
week one of the season? You think you'll be okay,
that's the that's the goal. But you know, we're trying
not to make any predictions, just trying to get ready. Absolutely.
I went back after the injury happened. I tried to
find the play and I kind of saw the play
then you started living afterwards. But they didn't even seem
to be like a misstep, Like is just nothing that
happened over the course of the game, Like when you
look back, like how did it even go down?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
It was definitely a missedip I felt. I felt it
for sure, and I was going against a really good
pass rusher and your son, So it happened. I think
in the second quarter we were in the red zone,
just a normal down block and you know, it just
went but obviously stuck it out kind of hard hited,
but that's you know, that's the nature of an office alignment.
So hopefully that don't happen again.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, absolutely not. Yeah, when I say misstap, I mean
you didn't step on somebody's foot. It wasn't it. It just
looked like a regular kicking. You know, it happens when
you try now and you're watching, how do you try
to help your group move along here and get better
even though you haven't been on the field in the spring.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I think I would say the benefit of this
year this offseason, we really didn't have much turnover, much change. Yeah,
a lot of veteran presence in the room. And then
you know with KRM and James, they do a great
job of teaching the guys. So we're just trying to
make sure we streamline everything, get on the same page. Obviously,
it's just OTA, so it's not real football yet. But
we're still working on technique and watching film breaking down

(14:22):
and you know, get my input when I can.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
When you look back at the last two injuries you've had,
I mean they're freak things like you're chasing down the
guyhead a block kick, you know, the foot, Like it's
nothing that you can do in training to prevent that
so mentally, how do you kind of get through that
and figure out how to prevent these things even though
in a lot of ways they're not preventable, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, it's definitely frustrating, but it's just the game. Injuries
are one hundred percent in the NFL. So just do
my best to prepare each each week, each day to
try to be ready to go. You can't control the outcome,
or you can control your mindset and how you approach,
you know, getting better when something does happen. So that's
what I try to do.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
What do you think a good set of goals would
be for the offensive line as a group heading into
year two with Carmen Brisola. I'm sure it's nice having
the same coach and the same schemes and all that
you do. A second year. What do you think a
good set of goals would be in and what do
you think this group can do being together now for
a second year with the same coach.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, so I think the first thing is continuity. Obviously
we have a different quarterback room this year, so just
get on the same page. And then I would say
just collectively as an old line, just being more dominant upfront,
consistent in a run game, and doing really well at
protecting the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's funny. We had Nate Solder here and he had
come from the Patriots to Tom Brady right right, and
I talked to him about it, and he goes, look,
I had to change the way I blocked for Eli
Manning versus Tom Brady just because of the depth of
their drops and how they operate in the pocket and
stuff like that. So how do you think it's going
to be different blocking for a guy like Russell Wilson
as compared to maybe what you've had so far here

(15:56):
in your career.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, I think it'll take some time to get a
feel and I think same for him getting the feel
for the receivers. And sure we've been working on a kness.
You know, everybody does things a little bit differently, so
we're just trying to go on in the same page.
That's what LTA's and campus for. And he's a very
talented quarterback and he's smart, so I'm excited to work
with him.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You talk about working with a smart quarterback that's been
through it for an offensive lineman, doesn't give you a
sense of comfort knowing that you have a quarterback back
there that has literally seen everything and has to help
you guys.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, for sure, it's like having a coach on the field.
Obviously he has a ton of experience. He's only try
to put us in the best opportunity possible. So that's
that's a good feeling as offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I gotta imagine. And then the run game. Last year,
I thought you guys made some great strides in terms
of creating space, and you did it with using a
lot of different schemes depending on the game. Sometimes it
was zoned, sometimes it was power. Sometimes you were pulling
guys duo, double teams, things like that. As the year
went along, what do you think that your group came
together the best of What were you doing best in
the run game as last season concluded.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, I think last year, just dealing with the injuries,
there was a lot of turn over and I think
that that hurts the continuity. But I think towards the
end we were running duo really well.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That's what I thought too.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's kind of like what we you know, hang our
hats on. We have physical guys up front, so hopefully
we can continue that this season.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
We talk about blocking different quarterbacks. You have to block
different for running backs too, based on who's in the backfield.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Not really, I think we have a plethora of different
running backs that have different skills, But up front, we
try to approach it the same way. Space just let
them do what they do exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Awesome for you personally. Once you get back on the
field and you're healthy, do you have any goals that
you've set out for yourself for this year that you're
trying to achieve.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm going to be a captain again this year.
I think that's a big thing. And then obviously play
all the games. You know, the Giants get the suit up.
That's that's the main goal. I think if I'm out there,
I can perform at a high level.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
And I got to ask you this just because I
think the Giants might have the best edge group in
the in the whole division, and you guys have the
Super Bowl Championship division. I think that's how good this
edge group is. Are you looking forward to when you
get out there and you're healthy and you get the
pads onto, you know, block and burns, seeing what I do,
Carter's guy, and just seeing what this defensive front is
as a whole is gonna bring on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Now. Camp is going to be so fine. We're gonna
get a test each and every day, but it's gonna
prepare us for Sunday. So I'm definitely looking forward to
those matchups at U.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Men appreciate it, dude, get healthy. Men, thank you. And
if he can meet that goal and be on the
field for every game, it's certainly helped the Giants. We've
seen what's happened when he has not been on the field.
It has not been great for the Giants ball. So
that's one injury we'll keep an eye on over the
course of camp. When he gets back onto the field.
Based on what he said, we'll see if he ends
up starting camp on the pup list and when he
eventually gets activated. Who else are you keeping an eye

(18:32):
on real quick injury wise, before we get to your
calls in the next segment eighty eight eighth eight one
zero one night.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, of the primary starters, you have three other guys
who during the course of the off season that you
had to be monitoring because they were cut back in
terms of their off season work. You had neighbors with
the toe who did not do very much he did
go out on the field. He was always in the
huddle during the practices, but never actually ran any plays.
John nothing full speed, So you got to keep an
eye on neighbors. I don't think it's serious. You got

(18:58):
to look at John Runyan with his shoulder. You know,
he went out for a few drills every once in
a while, but he didn't do a whole lot either
during the.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
He did more late, but not a ton, right.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
So that's a guy you just got to make sure
you got one eye on him. And then obviously Dexter
Lawrence had the dislocated elbow last year, and you know
he would go out to the early offseason practices, he
would do a bunch of drills and then they kind
of shut him down and pull back, usually in the
second half of the drills every single day, and you know,

(19:28):
I think he's gonna be fine. Brian Dabel doesn't seem
worried about any of these guys, but we want to
keep an eye on him.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Bobby o'cakay with the back last year, he says he's good,
but he didn't do a ton in the spring. That's
someone to watch, but I think he'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
But did work. He did do all the drills correct.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
He did. And then two of the rookies, Camp Scatabow
and Darius Alexander did not do a ton during the
spring nose keep an eye on them too.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I got the impression that those guys who did a
lot of work with the running on the trainers on
the side, it must have been a soft tissue which
he were not worried.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
About, more of a preventative thing and something that That's
how it looked like. I would tend to agree with that.
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Let's get to them. At eight eight eight eight oh eight,
one zero one nine. Lead things off with Jeff in Connecticut. Jeff,
what's going on dude?

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Afternoon guys, and hope you enjoy your time off.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Because it is over, my friend. But yes we did.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Let's go, baby, good to hear it.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
I watched BBKO all the time, so you know, I
appreciate that you're welcome. And what I was just curious
about was that I didn't hear anything and maybe I
missed thing. I mean, I don't watch everything all the time.
Is is JMS snapping style?

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Would that be?

Speaker 6 (21:26):
If you think that could be a problem for maybe
Russell Wilson, who was expecting something a little hotter coming
out as opposed to you know, the other guys might
not be so much. But I was wondering about him
in particular. But the other two guys as well.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know his shotgunner under center. His shotgun are under center.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
You're talking about the shotgun, correct.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I did not notice anything different in camp. In fact,
I don't believe Russell Wilson had one mishandled snap throughout
the spring that I called see any So I do
not think, Jeff, that's going to be an issue.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
No, and quite honestly, I didn't see any trouble with
either Jameis Winston's or darts when he was in there
with the first unit. Now, occasionally, when the other setters
were in there, there were a couple of misplays, but
not when JMS was in there.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Okay, well, I was thinking more of it, you know
what the time being everything is that like his dead
bull snap style was, I thought it would get back
a pick slower, and I thought that like Russell Wilson,
who's been around so long, might have a problem with
that in particularly. You know, but it is not great.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, let's put it this way. The way that works
is that the center and JMS told us this when
he came in as a rookie. I can do both ways.
You know, this is not a problem. I can do
this or I can do that whatever they want, and
when Daniel Jones was here, it was okay, what does
Daniel want him to do? So I'm sure when Russell
Wilson got here, and we know he's been very vocal

(22:50):
in reaching out to his teammates from the second he
signed with the Giants, he has made it a point
to just call everybody this This guy is like running
for mayor of the Giants, training comp players all over
the place. I guarantee you one of his first calls
was to JMS and they discussed what kind of snaps
do you want? So I don't think that's an issue

(23:10):
at all.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And again, I think if Russell Wilson gets an accurate
snap that's consistent, I think that Jeff to him is
going to be more important than having you know, a
couple tenths of a second of velocity off.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Sure, Oh well, thank you very much, guys.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And I appreciate the call Jeff. Good stuff. Look, John
Michael Schmidtz is snapping aside. We always talk about how
teams are going to improve you to year, and people
like to talk about, all right, the guys you jetted
in the first round, the guys you spend a lot
of money on in free agency, and yes that's important.
The d Javon Hollenen, Paulson Adebo and Chauncey Golstan and

(23:46):
Abdul Carter to play well this year, no question about it.
But I think a stealthy thing that often contributes more
than new arrivals is the internal improvement of the players
already on the team. And those are guys that are
on the rook contracts and were picked in the first
three rounds. The Giants have a few of those guys
this year that fans should be keeping an eye on.
John Michael Schmidz is certainly one of them. Their second

(24:07):
round pick heading into your three needs to have a
big year. Look at Deontay Banks, first round pick heading
into year three. He needs to step up and have
a better year than you had in your number two.
So just two of the guys, and you can look
at the rest of the guys in rookie contracts. There
are more of them that you need to get more
out of. You can go back to Evan Neil's draft class.
However you want to look at it. You need more

(24:29):
out of these guys more consistently if you want this
team to take the jump. Giant fans want them to take.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, there's no question John, and specifically with John Michael Schmidz,
his power quot shit is not where it needs to be.
He knows that when he came in he was considered
an undersized center, just like Barnotes was years ago, just
like Sean o'hoarroll.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Was, and most centers coming on now undersize, by the way,
That's just the way it is. Tyler Lindabaum, who's a
pro bowler, is undersized for the ratings.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know, you don't see many gigantic centers. I mean,
Frederick with Dallas was certainly one of those bigger type centers.
They're just not plentiful. When they come out of school.
Most of the bigger sized guys want to be guards. Yeah,
you know, they don't want to be centers because the
centers get beaten up a whole heck of a lot
because they're busy snapping the ball.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Also, look at the contracts for the best guards and
compare them to the contracts to the best centers. Tray
smtch just got I wrote down the contract. It was
the largest guard contract in NFL history, four years, ninety
four million, seventy million, guarantees.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, that's a lot of lettuce.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
There is no center getting that money.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
No, so you understand why there's a darth of oversized centers.
There's more undersized guys. So when you are one of
those guys, you need to rely on your smarts, You
need to rely on your hustle, you need to rely
on your technique, and darn it, you better have a
really high power quotion for your frame. That's the way

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you're going to be able to compete. And JMS needs
to continue to get stronger. I don't know what his
power numbers are in the weight room with the weight
and conditioning oaks right now as we speak.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Then I'll let you in there.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
No, they don't chill, and I mean not a mission.
It would be dangerous for me.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yes, that would not go well for you.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I just hope that his numbers are improving, because that's
gonna be a big key for him.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Other guys will bring up can Tyler nub and Andrew
Phillips take another step? Can thel Johnson take another step?
Heading into his second year? That was the next day
I was gonna bring up, especially guys handed into the
thirty years. That's where you got a lot of the
big jumps, and he looked great in the spring. But Kenny,
now carry that over when the Pats come on, got
to show up up to one hundred and ninety pounds.
He's getting to twenty pounds. He looks like just as fast.
He is not bad weight. It's a good weight. He's

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he's clocked. I've asked about the GPS. It is what
it was before, so he has not slowed down. We'll
see if that can translate at all. It eate itaate
one zero one nine eight. It'll eate one zero one nine.
Let's go to Tony in Middletown, Delaware. He's up next, Tony.
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Yeah, hey, guys, great to hear your voices. I'm very
excited and when I hear your voices associated with Giants football,
so thank you.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Nah, I'm not happy you called it in then, and
Giants football is coming fast and fury as dude. We're
excited you cover the camp.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah good, good say hi.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
Yeah, okay cool cool.

Speaker 9 (27:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
So I just want to say, hey, uh we we
gotta have a competent backup at left tackle because I
mean Angel Thomas. Yeah, he's great, but he's injury prone.
We can't throw out a guy like a Zudo out
there ever.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Again, well, you know, one of the first things that
Joe Shane, the general manager did, when this offseason, you know,
became a fact instead of just something that we're looking
down the road for was he signed James Hudson, a
swing tackle from the Cleveland Browns who's been in this
league for a few years, has had a number of starts. Look,

(27:50):
he is a swing tackle, make no mistake about it.
He is not a full time starting tackle. That's not
what he is. He is signed as a swing guy,
as a as someone who if you get into trouble,
you can put him in there for a few weeks
and he can hold the fort. That's what you do
when you sign. That's what you do when you sign
a swing tackle, so that you don't have to take

(28:12):
the Joshua Azudu in an emergency and say, break glass, kid,
you got to go out there and play. That's tough.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
And by the way, they also brought in Star forsythe
who is a who started a lot bunch of games
at both tackle spots for the Seahawks over the last
couple of years. So they certainly have guys with more
experience at those spots than they had in previous seasons.
We'll see how it goes. Hopefully they we don't see him,
but if we see him, yeah, you hope it goes
better than what halliwent last year.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
And and one more thing, Hey, you know this guy,
Tave Banks. I mean, he's looking like a bus.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I gotta say no, no, no, don't go there. It's
his third year. I know you probably don't go back
as far as I do, but I've talked to people
on BBK all the time, and I've talked to you about
Corey Webster, same situation. I see a very very similar
pattern going with his career. And if you want to
go back further, Mark Haynes was another Giants corner who

(29:04):
came in early. He wasn't being asked to play the
pressman coverage that he excelled at in school didn't go
well early and they decided to let him play what
he played and he became a pro Bowl player. So
you know, I'm giving you two examples who I believe
set a really good precedent for Dante Banks, and I

(29:25):
hope it works out for it.

Speaker 8 (29:26):
I think it's though I think it's I think it's
the mental ability, though I don't think it's there.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Look, Tony, a lot of it is mental and appreciate
the call he has to lock in and focus every
game and every not even every game, every play. There
are too many plays where concentration wasn't what you needed
it to be. And the frustrating thing about Banks, it's
not like guys are just running away from him. Guys
aren't getting three and four yards separation. He's close to guys.

(29:53):
He's just struggled getting his head around to make plays
on the ball, not committing defensive pass interference penalties and
doing those types of things. So to your point, Tony,
if he can get the focus locked in, and I
have had a chance to talk to Manuel Marcon, who's the
Giants to do defensive backs and Secondari's coach, and Jeff Burst,
their cornerbacks coach. They've been happy with his attention to

(30:15):
detail in the spring. You hope that carries over and
it carries over to when it counts on the field.
We'll have to wait and see. Oh he can go
on base on other people tell us that's all we
know for now, But can he figure out the stuff
at the catch point. And if he can figure that out,
he has all the physical tools and he's even shown
the physical tools in the pros to be a good
player at the position. But you're right, the focus element

(30:38):
of it be ready every play off every game and
just playing it better at the catch point. Those are
the two things he needs to do to get better
at He has.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
To be more aggressive to make adjustments to his game
because you know, he looks at himself and says, look,
I know what I can do great because I did
it at Maryland. That's what made me a number one pick. Well,
he got to this level and they've asked him to
do some different things that maybe he wasn't used to
or wasn't very good at. Well. Now, as a paid
NFL player, it's his responsibility John to work on those

(31:10):
things and to make sure that he can do the
things that the team wants to pay him for, even
if it's out of his wheelhouse. He has to aggressively
work on them, and I think that was something that
might have been missing a little bit last year.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
All Right, let's go to Richie and Queen's He's up
next on Giants Training Camp Preview special. What's up Erchie.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Hey, John's man, Paul, it's good to hear your voices. Richie.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
How are you man?

Speaker 10 (31:35):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
I'm good. Just booked a game against the Chargees. I
go to one game of the year. You know, John,
we've spoke many times. I come off to his negative
nil at Nelly sometimes and you brought up some good points.
You know. I'm looking at the top left guards, left
tackles in the league and they've got Tunsel up there,
and they've got Williams up there, and they got Thomas

(31:57):
Neander Bottom. Why because he hasn't played. And you're right, John,
we don't want to see backups. You know, we're in
the division now where and Paul, the enthusiasm goes so far.
It's got to be talent. You know. Their front four
looks formidable if they can put the pressure. If Carter
is the real deal, divide steps up because again our secondary.

(32:19):
You can say what you want about Banks until he
proves it. He's not a top defensive corners. The only
one I really love back there is Newban But they've
got they do have talent, but they can't afford not
to have Thomas. You know, when you think of Thomas.
You think of a point guard in the NBA, your
best hitter. Yeah, obviously you think of a quarterback and

(32:40):
next as you left tackle, and he's got to be healthy.
And so yeah, I see positive. And you mentioned the offense.
I think Hyatt might be better neighbors Johnson maybe steps up.
Scoota Boot could be a good backup. But everything has
to go well for them because of the division they're in.
So and you know what, Vegas Stools has them three

(33:02):
and a half and sometimes they I hate to say it,
but they're right most of the time. You know, I
want to see progress, guys.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
No, well, Ritchie, you're right. And look, the Giants division
is very tough. It's very tough. They have the Super
Bowl champions in the Philadelphia Eagles. So you can easily
make the argument as a most talented team top to
bottom roster wise in the league. I think that is
an easy argument to make. I wouldn't argue with somebody
that made that claim to me.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, question before you let me go, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
No problem, take you're you're fine. The Commanders came out.
I think they probably overperformed their talent a little bit
last year. But when you have a quarterback play like
Jayden Daniels did. Guess what that's gonna happen sometimes. And
with Dak Prescott, if he's healthy the whole year, I
would expec Dallas to be a little bit better than
last year just because they'll have their starting quarterback for
most of the season. So you're right, Richie, with that

(33:54):
type of talent in your division, you're not going to
be able to come heat with that group. If you
lose multiple starters that are your best players at great positions,
it's just gonna be very, very difficult, and especially on
the offensive line, because you know, Richie and Polways makes
this point. The offensive line affects everything. That's why that

(34:15):
always needs to be something that needs to be good.
If your offensive line is bad, you can't run it.
If your offensive line is bad, you can't protect your quarterback,
he can't throw it. And then guess what, your offense
is non functional. And we've seen too many times here
with the Giants over the past ten years where the
offensive line is played to a level where the offense,
no matter who was on the field, was non functional.

(34:36):
So they have the players to be functional this year,
but you're right, they have to stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
May I add one and to you, I really want
to add one more thing, and I'm gonna let you
go right back to what you were going to say.
I understand your skepticism and you kind of want to
push off some of the optimism and some of the
excitement aside. And that's fair because you don't want to
hear about projections. You want to know about production, of course,

(35:01):
and I think that's fair. But right now, because we've
only gone through the spring in the early summer, John
and I can tell you everything we've seen during the
offseason program, and all we can give you are projections
because there is no production.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Great by the way, and those productions don't mean a
whole lot, to be totally honest with you, but that's
all we have. All we got, Richard, finish.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Up, okay, And the question I got, yes, And again
I agree with that. You can't go because you're not
playing yet. David and Shane are obviously on a hot seat, John,
do you see them fighting for a playoffs spot?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I see the Giants being competitive in December when they
are still in the conversation and games, and you'll be
watching the scoreboard again. That's what I see being in
the playoffs right down to the final game. That's no.
I can't say that. I don't even know who the
fifty three are yet, but I do think the Giants
will be competitive into December and games will still matter.

(36:01):
You'll still be itching it and looking at the scoreboard saying, hey,
if they lose and the Giants win, hey they could
still do this and that. I think they'll still be
alive in December. I believe that, thank you much.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
And I'm going to see the Charges game three, so
I know they'll still be alive.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Tough, dude, I appreciate it, man. And look, the difficult
part of this season is to Richie's point, the division
is excellent. It is, and the schedule, according to last
year's winning percentages of their opponents, is the toughest in football.
It's very, very difficult for the folks that haven't only
locked in the football yet. This is how the Giants
start their year at the Commanders at Dallas home versus

(36:44):
the Chiefs home versus the Chargers. It's a very difficult.
For first four games. Three of those teams or playoff teams,
and the Dallas Cowboys have been a team the Giants
frankly have not beat much when Dak Prescott as they
frankly have not beaten them when that Dak Prescott has
been healthy over the past eight years. Then after that
you get at Saints all right, Saints Mike struggle this year,

(37:04):
rookie quarterback Tyler Struck starting all that stuff. Then you
have to go home versus Philly, at Denver, at Philly
home versus the forty nine. So it's very, very difficult.
So the Giants could play much much better, but it
might not get reflected in the record just because their
opponents are so good.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Ten games against teams that were in the playoffs last year,
which is tied for the third most of those types
of games in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
By the way I mentioned it, If you guys want
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Everyone on that team puts together a great experience, great

(37:55):
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Go check that out. We'll be back with more of
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Review Special brought to you by locally by Ford, the
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Schmunk pulled Atino with you until nine o'clock when Keith
McPherson comes away right here on the fan in New
York City eight oh eight one zero one nine eight
eight eight eight oh eight one zero one nine. That's
the call. Let's go to Moose all the way in Jamaica. Moose,

(38:41):
what's going on?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
What's going on?

Speaker 10 (38:43):
Selling as a big fan of you guys, listening to
you out there every launce for the past couple of seasons.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
But I appreciate that man, Thank you. Now? Is that Jamaica.

Speaker 11 (38:53):
Queens, Please Jamaica Queens. If I had the money to
live out in Kings, I was check out. If you
watching the Giants every Sunday?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, what do you got?

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (39:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (39:10):
Projections for the season, my overall view of the draft,
which was positive, even though I did want your door
maybe later in the round. But I'm over that. I'm
because my whole thing is I believe in dables, whether
it be the first season or just him sticking to
whatever determinative motivating and no nonsense, sort of like, I'm

(39:32):
not going to play into the New York media and
have them touch me grumble. I'm gonna stick to my
guns and his overall talent evaluation and understanding. So I'll
rock with Jackson dark even more so projections of the season.
Like Richie said, if Andrew Trumps gives us.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Call, man, I don't know what happens to your line there, Bro,
that went haywire very quickly. Sorry, we had to cut
you off. But to Moose's point, and I found this
striking as you guys, if you follow our content Johns
Little Podcast, we do a lot of draft stuff, right,
so I bring a lot of people around the league.
Former scouts figure out what the Giant's gonna with the draft.

(40:16):
And all these guys I talked to, Todd Bigshah was
one of them, Daniel Jeremiah was another. All these guys
that had been in and around the league all have
so much respect for the job Brian Dable does as
a guy that puts an offense together. I had a
chance to talk to Jamis wins it again. That's gonna
find on the Quarterbacks Interview episode of the Johnsttle Podcast.
We just put out interviews of all the different position

(40:39):
groups quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers. We just got to
the edge group. Go check it out. Giants dot Com,
Slash podcast, podcast platforms, Johns Tottle podcast, check it out.
And they always say what you like about Brian dables
offense that it is very complicated, first of all, and
very difficult to learn, but it's that way in a
good way because it gives you so much optionality that

(41:00):
his offense always gives you an answer to what the
defense shows you. So it gives the quarterbacks some level
of freedom. And look, I understand where fans are coming from.
You look at the amount of points the Giants have
scored over the last two seasons, it's been ugly, has
not been good enough. The offense has been pretty much
the worst in the league. The last couple of years.
It has not been good. We understand that. Just look
at the point scored, they're in the rankings. You can

(41:22):
look at it. But I think the goal here and
bringing a guy like Russell Wilson is that you're raising
the floor of the offense a lot more. And I
still have a lot of confidence in what Brian Dable
can do as a play call on a guy that
builds an offense. And I also do believe in their
way of evaluating quarterbacks, and Joe Shane has talked about

(41:42):
this a lot, so is Brian Dable. They have a
very particular way in which they put these quarterbacks through
the ringer to weed out the guys that they don't
think can make it, and they can figure out the
guys that they believe in when all's said and done,
and that's how they found their way to Jackson Dart.
So I believe in those two things. We'll see if
it were this year, you hope it does with a
new quarterback room. Well off to wait and say.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You know, I think it's very interesting when you talk
to all the national pundits all the time who are
on television or Ronval radio, or even in the magazines
or in print, and you know they'll take their shots
at the Giants. But then when we get the national
TV crews that come in for the games, John, and folks,
for those of you who don't understand how this works.
If the Giants have a home game on Sunday, usually

(42:28):
the national TV crews will come in on Friday. They'll
want to watch practice, They'll want to talk to the coaches,
the coordinators, they'll talk to a handful of the star
players because they're trying to prep for the game. Well,
when we talk to these guys on a regular basis,
and John, you have a lot of these guys guesting
on a huddle during the course of the season, all
of these people, to a man will tell you about

(42:51):
how much respect they have and how much respect they
have heard from others around the league. For this coaching
staff not just brought Dable, but for the staff and
for the front office and for the scouts, there is
a tremendous amount of admiration for what they do. Now

(43:14):
I get the fact that the results have not been
what everybody wants. It's not what Brian Dab wants. But
that does not attract the fact that people who know
this NFL because they live it, they breathe it, they
work in it. They look at him from afar and
they tip their cap to him. Which, again it's a
little bit of a different group of people than what

(43:35):
John was talking about in a moment ago. But these
are people who swim with the fishes around the league.
They know as much as anybody does about the perception
of people.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
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Let's go back to the phones. Eight eight eight eight
oh eight one zero one nine. Let's say what's up

(44:09):
to Devo and Brooklyn Divo? What's up, Devo?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
You're there?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh, he's gone, Devo drop. Let's go now to Andrew.
He's up next, Andrew. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (44:25):
Hello Andrew?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
What's going on?

Speaker 9 (44:26):
Hell?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
How are you.

Speaker 9 (44:28):
This is and Andrew.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
This is Mark from Newark.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I'm sorry, Mark, go ahead, what do you have for us?

Speaker 9 (44:33):
Okay, I'm a sixty two year old Jets fan, and
like all of us you know, in the Tri State area,
we watch both teams no matter how people don't want
to admit it, like the Mets and the Yankees, same thing.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Of course.

Speaker 9 (44:45):
Here's what I got though. What I notice is that
every Sunday when I after the Jets winner lose, mostly lose,
and watch the Giants game, the two guys on the
team jump off the screen, one of them. I'm not
going to talk about this, Tracy love him wow, But
but Banks, you know, like every time I watch him,

(45:07):
he looks like the best player on your defense. Except
one caveat. He's aggressive. I mean, he's like everything you
want in a football player. I'd love to play football
with him, but he makes he takes too many young
shots at people on their way out of bounds or
it's like he gotta cut out the dirty If he

(45:27):
cuts out the dirty stuff, and this is directed to him.
If he's listening, you got a chance to be a
star just this period. This dude is great except for
that but yes, I do. Yes, the only Banks on
your team now Carl's gone, But you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
To be fair, I've never heard wowbody Pine.

Speaker 9 (45:49):
But when you watch him, do you see well, I'm
calling him a dirty player. I'm saying that he those
out of bounds plays, he takes that extra here and
if he just didn't do.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
That, wow you're talking about if you're talking about too
much contact when the balls in the air with some
defensive passing like that, it's.

Speaker 9 (46:11):
Those it's those out of bounds plays. He did it
against the Commanders. He did it every time. When I
see him, I take to myself, all right, can't do
your thing like as if he was my nephew or son,
except stop doing those things because that's the only thing
holding him back from being a Pro Bowl corner. I
love that kid, and I'm not a Giants fan at all.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
What do you like about Tyrone Tracy? You mentioned you
like watching them play?

Speaker 9 (46:36):
Oh man, Now, Tracy? When when when the Giants incidently
lost Squan, you know, I kind of laughed and I said,
well let me see what this kid Tracy can do.
And the game was on. I forget who they were playing,
but it was his first really my first time seeing him,
and he has he has a burst like he has
a burst and and that you're not getting me down

(46:57):
on the first hit thing with him. And he got
a jingle, you know, that's what I see. He got
a burst, the jingle and you're not getting me down
on the first tackle. And and actually Saquon has that too.
So that's what I've seen from in how many yards
did you get last year?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Almost nine hundred?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, and he a thousand yards in scrimmage, which which was.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
Actually shows yeah the whole scene.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
No, he wasn't and and more appreciate the call. And
I think what gets me excited about Tracy You go back,
remember he was a wide receiver at Iowa before he
turned into a running back. In training camp, pall, we
saw a lot of passage to the running back, and
I just dumped down. We saw vertical stuff to the
running backs down the field. I think we're gonna see
a lot more of that from Tracy.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I would numb enough surprised.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
In twenty and twenty five. All right, let's take a
time out. We have one more hour to go. We'll
take you to nine o'clock. We Keith McPherson takes over.
That's all the time. We have an hour one of
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It's like show up with.

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it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes, and then
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So come out and check out Giants Training Camp. All right, Paul,
we talked about the biggest storylines of camp and our
number one. Now let's take a look at some of
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give me your biggest competitions that you're keeping an eye
on in Training Camp twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well, I think if you asked one hundred people, probably
at least ninety eight of them would say, evan Neil
against the entire field at guard whoever it is that's
going to fight him like a pit bull. And by
the way, this competition is gonna be tough, and it's a.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Different type of competition because it's not like Evanil has
a job and somebody's trying to take Evanil has to
play well enough to take the job from Road.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I know they have confidence. They have confidence in Van
Room to be a good starter, so he has to
be extraordinary in order to take that spot.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Greg Van Roten played every offensive snop last year. Yeah,
the only guy on the team who did so. Greg
Van Roten is certainly a guy who they believe can
get the job done if they need to go there.
But I think if they can fight I didn upgrade,
they'd like to try to do it. And let's not
kid ourselves. Evan Neil is a former number one pick,
a guy who was really highly thought of when he

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came out out of school, and they want to try
to get value out of him. And if he can
max out his value at guard, that's.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Good and I think the organization believes he can do
it talking to people in the building. Just his size
and length at guard, he doesn't have to deal with
all the movement and covering as much space as he
does against some of the more athletic defensive ends and
edge players. I think it can work.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I think that's a big one. I go to the
cornerback battle. We've talked a lot about Deontay Banks here.
Over the first hour of this program, him and Cortell
Flatt have been splitting reps and Brian Dable when who
was asked a bat it would not commit to either
guy as a staughter. It's gonna be a competition, so
can Deontay Banks. I think if the Giants had their druthers,
Banks would win that job. But it's not gonna be

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given to him either, so he's gonna have to play
well enough to take it.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I believe that they're prodding him more than making it
a fifty to fifty competition. I think he has a
foot and a half in the lead coming down the
home stretch, and if he fumbles it away, which they
are not guarantee him anything, I agree with you, John,
he's not guaranteed anything. He could fumble it away, Cordell
Flott would have the chance to leap him. But I

(53:16):
do believe that if Banks does what they expect him
to do, he'll be comfortably the starter on that side
of the field. I do want to just give Michael
or Mark, was it a little information the less? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Please?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Right before the break, he called up and he thought
that that Tate Banks was a little too aggressive hitting
guys out of bounds. I thought he used the word dirty.
I'll tell he won he did it, but it was implied. Okay,
here's what I'm gonna tell you. Last season, I want
to I just looked it up. During the break, Tate
Banks got called for six penalties forward defensive pass interference,

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one was illegal contact, and one was off sides. That's it.
None of those penalties are personal fouls. So let's just
put that one to rest. I don't know if you
if you thought you saw something or you're looking at
a different player, but Banks does not fit the description
that you used.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
And then the other combinition out through out there is
a defensive tackle next to Dexter Lawrence. Is that going
to be Roy Robertson Harris? That would be the guy
I think would win that job if I had to predict.
But I look, Nacho's been here a long time. If
he starts next to Dexter, that would not surprise me
at all. He's a good, solid player. Does Darius Alexander
step up? Does somebody else sees that defensive tackle spot

(54:29):
next to dext That'd be something else I keep an
eye on.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
And that's my other spot, John I wrote it down
as well on my notes. I think that Darius Alexander
is one dynamite prospect. I've heard too many people talk
about him in the style of Leonard Williams. Now, I'm
not going to compare him to Leonard Williams.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
No, let's please beause.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Leonard Williams is a top five pag, so let's not
do that. But in terms of the style, that's exactly
the style the Giants need to pair with Dexter Lawrence
to provide a perfect compliment on the now. Whether or
not he earns a ton of snaps as a rookie,
I don't know. But that's why that's a great competition because,

(55:07):
in my opinion, and I agree with you, I think
guys like Ledbetter and guys like like Robertson Harris have
been around this league and they're not gonna give up
snaps easily. They're gonna make him work for everything that
he gets. I think Alexander's gonna give them a fight.
I just don't know how many snaps he can win.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
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Lawyer dot com and Paul. Technically these are not necessarily
competitions for starting spots, but I'm gonna rattle off you

(55:49):
don't have to spend a ton of time on this
because this is kind of in the weeds a little bit.
I don't want to bore people that are not obsessed
with the last five guys of the roster like we are.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Depth chart talk. This is what preseason in camp is about.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
How much can Jalen Hyatt force his way into regular
snaps on a weekly basis and does that who does
that come at the expense of That's something to keep
an eye on. I'm curious to see how they split
the running back snaps up with Tracy Scattable and I'm
with Mark by the way in Newark. I think Tracy's excellent.
If I'm him, if I'm making those calls, I think
Tracy's great. Would I would play him the majority of

(56:21):
the snaps, But I'm a huge Camp scatbow fan. Too.
I think he's fantastic and Devin Singletrey's a good player too,
So Curtis to see how they work that a little bit,
how they work that edge rotation, and we'll hill from
Kevon Tibodau about that and just a little bit in
terms of who's on the edge, how do they get
all three guys in the field, how do they portion
those snaps out through Chauncey Golston into that makes another
edge player who can play inside too, that they added
in the offseason. Does Golston get some snaps that defensive

(56:44):
tackles A three tech teach another guy that mentioned we
talked about that battle. Those are the other type of
kind of depth chart usage competitions that I'm curious to
see how they play out over the course of camp.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
If I may just add one thing to what you
just said, John, We'll probably go to Camp Scataboo because
last season of Arizona State, he ran for twenty one
touchdowns wrap your hands around them, and he was.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
A bell carry Like you watched that playoff one, dude one.
He touched the ball like thirty times in that game.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
But what I'm emphasizing here is that when you run
for twenty one touchdowns. What does that tell you about
this guy?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Tough?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
It tells you he's rugged. It tells you he's got
a nose for the end zone, and when they give
him the ball down close, he finds a way to
sniff it out and find that necessary space and that
necessary force to power it across the goal line. That
is a skill, that is a talent. It is an
innate fact that some players just have. They are touchdown monsters.

(57:43):
That's what's interesting to me with Scataboo because regardless of
how many snaps he takes as a running back, John,
is he going to be the goal line back? Yeah,
good question, because he could just power it in and
maybe get a ton of touchdowns, but maybe not have
as many carries as some people would like because Singletary's
going to get some too.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Eight eight oh eight one zero one nine. Guys hanging
with us, We'll get to your calls. We about a
five minute interview here. Had a chance to talk to
Kaevon Thibodeau during Veteran Mini camp right before it started
about a month ago, and he's kind of in the
forgotten man. With the addition about du Carter, second year
for Brian. Second year here for Brian Burns, and I
had a really fascinating conversation with him about how he's

(58:23):
evolved with the pass rusher and how he thinks about
rushing the passer that I think fans will enjoy and
you'll learn a little bit about how deeply he thinks
about the game and how much kind of there's a
craft the pass rushing for him. I thought it was
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my chat with Keeve on Tibdau came on. What's going on?

Speaker 16 (58:40):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I'm good man, this is a new year.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I feel great, all right, So I want to talk
to about something specific. Last year you were asked by
I think two million I counted times about comparing you
and Brian Burns and how you comment each other, right,
And I think one of the answers that you gave
a couple times that I want to dig on a
little bit is that you describe the differences in your
games that he is maybe a little bit more bendy
in speed and you will maybe more of a power guy.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Did you always think of yourself as a power guy
or is that something that you think you've kind of
moved into more of you got into the NFL.

Speaker 17 (59:09):
I think I was I'm always a speed guy. So
I think speed is you know, the start to both
of you know me, Brian Burns and even having a
dual card now like she's a speed guy as well.
I think once you kind of break down how we
like to execute our moves, that's when a power or
a you know, Burns still uses speed. So you'll see
a lot of spins, You'll see a lot of quick jabs,

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You'll see a lot of you know, different movements that
rely heavily on speed. Right, the same for a duel, right,
a dual spinning, He's dipping and ripping, he's ghosting, he's flashing,
and those are all speed moves.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
For me, I'm going to use my speed. Then I'm
gonna go long and I'm gonna raise.

Speaker 17 (59:46):
I'm gonna do more hand to hand combat than you know,
some of the more speed guys will do.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Did you think about it the same way when you
were in college or is that something you've developed as
you've gone along.

Speaker 17 (59:57):
So for me, it was all about developing my technique.
So college, I focused on the hand to hand combat.
When I first got in, it was all speed, it
was get off, and then you start to learn like, okay,
that's not the only thing, right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
You can do more if you're able to.

Speaker 17 (01:00:09):
So for me, I started really working on my technique
and working on my hand to hand combat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
But making the offensive tackle. I imagine, worry about the
speed is what considered right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Nothing else works without setting up the speed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Because that gets them until you catch them right exactly, exactly,
because if the worried about the speed, they can't anchor
down right exactly.

Speaker 17 (01:00:28):
If you just got power, that's not enough, right, you
got to have a change up. And for me, speed
is just starting and the power is to change up.
And then for other guys, you know, their change ups
are different.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
What was the process for you working on that hand
to hand combat stuff and the long arm and you know,
getting back inside at the starting outside.

Speaker 17 (01:00:43):
Every day, I mean, even whether you know whether you're
on the field or off the field, Like I do
stuff in the room where like I'm literally hand in
hand combat with my brother and I we're just kind
of fighting. We're going through things and the different moves
and techniques that I would be in in the game.
I do it at like a low tempo, low impact,
So just talk about like a two hand swipe or
like a long I'm like that long arm placement. I
probably do that literally one hundred times a day a day.

(01:01:05):
So and it's just like making sure it's perfect because
you know, in a game, you got one time to
execute it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I think a lot of people don't realize too. If
you get run around the quarterback, it might look good
on tape, but but but it doesn't help the defense, right,
So talk about the advantage of being a pocket pusher
as much as being a guy that that's going to
threaten the edge, you know what I mean.

Speaker 17 (01:01:28):
It's a guy like Dexter Lawrence. I think you know,
he's a perfect example. He's not going to get to
the quarterback every time, but if the quarterback can't step
into his throat. You know, quarterbacks have techniques and mechanics,
mechanics as well. So for us, putting the offensive linement
on the quarterback's lap is just as important as actually
tackling or sacking the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Do you get as maybe as much satisfaction is a
little strong, But do you get a level of satisfaction.
Definitely when one of your teammates get the sack, but
they get the sack because you push the pocket and
the quarterback has nowhere to run.

Speaker 17 (01:01:56):
You definitely get the satisfaction even if no one gets
the sack, but you know that it was an incomplete pass,
or even sometimes for me, it's really that one on
one battle, Like I don't even have to see what
happens at the end of the play, but I get
the satisfaction knowing. I know deck's probably a test to this,
but like, just get the satisfaction of just destroying the
guy in front of you. And when you start to
impose your will, you know, you start to see how

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they break down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So now next gen stats and stuff they put together
like pressure numbers and stuff like that, and quarterback gets
do you pay attention or care about those raw numbers
or is it just more of what your line coach
is telling you in the meeting room.

Speaker 17 (01:02:28):
So for me, it's I really only care about what
my coach tells me in the meeting room. In the film,
I think there's a there's just a big difference between
sports and numbers. You know, when you watch certain maybe
like basketball, right, Yeah, like a guy put up forty
in the numbers of this and that, and it makes sense.
But like there are a lot of things in a
football game that don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Statistics working together.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Yeah, they don't have statistics.

Speaker 17 (01:02:48):
So it's like just how you said, Like, if I
put a guy on a quarterback's lap, that's not a
pressure because I didn't touch them, right, Like, because I'm
on the other side and I didn't actually get past
the alignment, it doesn't register as a pressure. So but
when you watch it on tape, I'm impacting the game, right,
I'm you know, doing these things. So to me, even
setting the edge, right when a run play, when they're
trying to you know, run and I set the edge

(01:03:10):
and then he cuts back and somebody else makes the tackle.
It's like it's not a stat but on film, that's
what you're supposed to do. And that's why we get,
you know, paid the big bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I want to ask you about i'ud quarter. What has
it been like having him in the room. It seems
like he is like a real like serious kind of
edge to him with the way he approaches everything, right,
he is he.

Speaker 17 (01:03:24):
Is a little serious, you know, we're gonna we're gonna
loosen him up a little bit. He is a little
tight right now, But I mean, I can understand it
when you come into a team like this with guys
already but you know, me, Burns, Decks, you got guys
that kind of have been in Lee for a while,
and then you're the number three pick. You gotta come
into the big city and people are expecting stuff. Obviously,
you know they're expecting from all of us, but you know,
now it's his turn to take some of that heat.

(01:03:45):
And I try to talk to him and let him know,
just man, go play ball. But he's definitely gonna keep
loosening up. It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Have you finally, have you seen what this defense might
be able to do in passing situations, second, along, third,
and long when all three you guys are on the
field at the same time.

Speaker 17 (01:04:00):
And listen passing situations, but even the run game. I mean,
when you see the different things we have in store
and how we're going to be able to utilize everybody
in the energy and the focus and everything that we have,
you know on the line, it's gonna beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
You feel like Shane's been able to expand the playbook
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk too much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I'm getting excited, but yeah, you get me excited. I
appreciate it. Keve, I areciate that that's Keveon Thibadeau. Different
have an interview with him. You know, I don't like
to try to ask these guys some of the basic
questions you got. I tried to dig into a specific
topic with him, Paul, and I think he really dig
talking about kind of the art of the pass rush.
And I hope fans have a greater appreciation for how

(01:04:39):
he's attacking and why he's attacking the way he is
and how while again a might not register with pressures
and things like that, it is helping the defense as
a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
He is a very cerebral player, and I think that's
very important because there is a lot of cat and
mouse that goes on between tackles and guy who were
coming off of the edge, an awful lot of cat
and mouse, and so you have to be a thinking
man over there. Yes, pure talent is awesome. There are
some guys who can do it. But at the same time,

(01:05:12):
I'm not gonna name names, but over the years and
I've been doing this a long time. I have seen
some guys who physically were great and talents at the
edge rushing spot, but because they didn't have the thinking
man's part of the game, they had trouble getting on
the field. And again I'm not gonna name names, but
guys who had the ability, they had the toolbox, they

(01:05:33):
had the skill set, and because they couldn't process correctly
on defense. I'm not talking about a quarterback. I'm talking
about even an edge rusher couldn't process correctly, Defensive coordinators
would be afraid to put him out there because they know,
if we put that guy out there, he's only got
one thing that he's gonna be able to do right,
because it's a limited scope that we can put into

(01:05:55):
his head. And the other team knows that and so
they take advantage of it. You have to be a
thinking man to play that position correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Eight eight eight oh eight one zero one nine eight
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Tatino taking your calls until now only Keith McPherson comes
your way. Let's go to TJ in Fairlong. He wants
to talk about the quarterback Russell Wilson. TJ.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
What's up, let's start up.

Speaker 16 (01:06:18):
Yeah, just to speak on Russell Wilson. Everybody's really excited
in talking about Jackson Dark.

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
I'm more excited.

Speaker 16 (01:06:24):
About Russell Wilson for a few reasons. First reason being
him coming to New York has been years in the making.
We've heard the rumors year after year. Last year in
Pittsburgh it wasn't even that bad. At eleven starts, he
threw twenty five hundred yards at sixteen touchdowns five six

(01:06:45):
It's still went to the Pro Bowl. The biggest point, though,
Malik neighbors, this is going to be the best wide
receiver that Wilson has ever had Bevan Doug Baldwin father
DK metcalf bether than Tyler Locket.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
No, you're not wrong about that. I think that's fair.
And now, look, Ghops has to prove it over a
longer period of time. But you know, given how he
looked at as a rookie, he certainly has the ability and
potential to be better than any receiver he's had.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I can appreciate your admiration for Russell Wilson. And having
said that, get a look at the New SI article.
The Connor Orr had a great had a great interview.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
In fact, we're gonna have Connor on the Johns Total
podcast next week talking about this came out YEP today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Go to Sports Illustrated cover story on Russell Wilson about
his focus, his intensity, his determination. He's looking at this
as you know what, a lot of people are writing
me off, but they better not because I'm coming back
with a vengeance.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Look, and Paul mentioned this before. He just was really impressed.
And and when I say impressed, I don't mean in
like the traditional form. Just his mere presence has been
put upon the rest of the team, and they just
appreciate the way he communicates with everybody, how he tells
everybody exactly what he wants and how he wants it.
I think there's just a comfort level knowing he's back there.

(01:08:05):
And look, he's not the player he was when he
went to Super Bowls, right, he does. He's not quite
as athletage. Correct, he's thirty seven years old. You're never
gonna be the athlete you are a thirty seven, then
you're twenty five like that. That's not how the world works, right,
But there's a level of knowledge there and the big
number to keep an eye on this year. TJ is

(01:08:25):
Russell Wilson. When he throws passes, he's a pretty efficient player,
like you lot his quarterback rating, even over the last
three years, it's still been better than anything that Giants
have had since Eli Manning has been here, and not
even like end of current Eli Manning like twenty and
twelve Eli Manning. His passer rating numbers are that good.

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The problem is taking sacks, and that's something always Russell
Wilson has had an issue with. He holds the ball
a little bit, he tries to get the ball down
the field, and he's always taken a lot of sacks
over the course of his career. So if Brian Dable
can work on getting the blo out of his hands
a little bit quicker, if the Giants off line can
do a better job protecting him to give him clean pockets,
you are going to see more downfield passes and explosive

(01:09:07):
plays than we've seen from this Giants offense since he
LII Manning has been here. Because he likes to throw
the ball down the field. If you can put all
that together and you can protect him a little bit
and he can get the ball out of his hands
a little bit quicker than he has over the last
couple of years. This offense should look better. I'm not
telling you it's gonna be a top ten unit. I'm
not telling you it's gonna be a top five unit,
but it certainly should be a lot better than what

(01:09:29):
we've seen over the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I find that Wilson subscribes to that theory that a
high tide raises all boats, and I think that's why
he's going out of his way to be so incredibly focused,
not just on his own job, but trying to help
everybody else raise their game too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
And thanks to the call, TJ appreciate Hi man, good stuff,
but look, it'll be exciting to see what he can
give you. And again, we're not telling it's gonna be
Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
We're not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Today is all pro, but it's going to be a
higher level and more consistent level of play than what
we've seen from the Giants quarterback fishing over the past
few years. It's gonna be more efficient and he might
and by the way, he might take a sack here there,
but he's not gonna turn the ball over like his
turnover rate over the last what was it. I looked

(01:10:15):
at it twelve or thirteen years. The only player I
think with a lower turnover rate than it was Aaron Rodgers.
Both guys know how to protect the football.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
For his career, he's over three to one touchdown day
reception ratio.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Correct, so he knows how to protect the ball. All right,
quick time at we'll take more of your calls eight
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Training Camp Perview Special brought to you locally by Ford,
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Schmelkndatino with you taking your calls at eight eight eight
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a little bit wherever Giant safety Javon Holland you'll join
us right here on the Giants Training Camp Preview Special.

(01:11:07):
My man Ray Jarvis doing a great job on this
side of the glass, keeping this show rolling and he's
gonna bring up Ben in Stanford. Connecty get up next Ben.
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Pal?

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
Hey guys?

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
We're good?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Ben? What do you have?

Speaker 9 (01:11:22):
Nothing?

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Just well, first of all, someone should do a welfare
check on that guy who thinks DeVante Banks is a
little too aggressive. I don't know what sport he's watching,
but so I was thinking about, you know, obviously there's
an important season for for Dable. I don't know if
you guys remember the players pulled that the athletic did
and he still had a pretty high rating, which kind

(01:11:44):
of surprised me. That didn't seem like he had lost
the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
And I was, but then I can speak to that
very quickly. Giant fan c A version of Brian Dable
at the podium during the week and after games could
not be more different than real life Brian Dabele, who
is loose, fun, gives me a gives everyone around here

(01:12:09):
a hard time and has fun with them. Like this year,
like for example, we started doing just to give you
an example, this year, we started doing reports for giants
dot com and you know you and Instagram and YouTube
bro all that stuff after every practice and I guess
Dave started statum. So we come off to practice and
You're like, hey, Schmelker, what are you doing today? And

(01:12:32):
he starts like mocking my reports and I'm like, Daved,
you're killing me. He goes, hey, you're the best small
and he just walks away like he's he's a very
And that's how he treats everybody like he's a very loose,
fun guy, and he really does know how to connect
with the players. I think he could be a very
good coach. He just gotta start scoring more points. And
by the way, he knows that, he knows the offense

(01:12:52):
has not been good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I think the one thing that I try to tell
people all the time about Dabele is he's put in
an awful lot of time at all the different levels
of football, ye from the bottom all the way up
to the top, different coaching assignments, coordinator assignments, head coaching assignments,
and he has been with winners upon winners upon winners

(01:13:14):
upon winners. He has a trophy case that is just
full full of metal hardware.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Now, obviously the results now have to match that play.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Let's not forget that he was a coach of the
Year in his first season with the Giants. No, I
I noboddy thought the team had a chance to be
a playoff team, and they won a playoff game in Minnesota.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
Yeah, And I guess my other point is, like I
would love to get to a point like Halloween where
we're not looking at draft positions and we're not looking
at possible like replacements for dables for dable like, and
we have such a tough schedule, like to me, if
we go I don't know six and eleven, but we're
competitive in December, Like, I'm not sure I want to

(01:13:58):
make a change, but who knows what anything could look
like Obviously the season we don't know until it's happening.
I hope we don't make a change, because they do
want it to work for him, but it's been so
bad for so long, even before he got here. So
I just hope some things start to break the right
way because we are due for some luck.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Thanks gonna call that, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Benefy may add one thing as you go. I will
say this, when you have a recent history of stumbling
along as the Giants have, it is easy to stick
some of that residue on the guy who's here now.
Of course, and that's part of the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Oh his fans and understand that we sew they just
see a pattern over a long period of time, right,
But you can't put what happened eight years ago on
a gout that has been here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
For four years. Nothing that happened here under Macadoo, Schurma
or Judge has anything to do with Brian Dabele, who
right now with this franchise, has had a playoff season
that nobody expected and was NFL Coach of the Year,
and two other seasons that were significantly derailed by injuries,

(01:15:10):
specifically at the quarterback position, and some very suspect play
and quite frankly, by guys who should have done better.
Brian Dabele to me, does not deserve the amount of
heat that he's gotten over the course of the last year.
But it's been part of that residue of frustration that
has been lead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
At his feet football And Brian Dable said that's himself,
he gets it. We get it. Coaches the game. Coaches
are judged by their record.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It's part of the games the way it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
You have to live with that, of course, and and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Again it's part of the climate when you accept the job,
you expect that the environment is going to impact how
people perceive you. You have to know what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
And we all know what John Marras said at the
end of the season in terms of no expects to
be in a much better mood than next year than
this year and all that stuff. You have to rehash
all that, right, But and I know fans probably don't
want to hear this because you want to look at
the bottom line record, and yes, the bottom line record
is what matters. But I think Mark made a good point.
You know, you get to the end of the year,
and I know this is probably a little inside baseball,

(01:16:16):
look at what the point differential is, right if they're
losing some games. But if you lose to the Chiefs
in Week three, but it's twenty seven to twenty four,
and you know, Harrison Bucker kicks a game winning field
goal with three minutes to go, am I supposed to
walk out of that game really mad. Like if you're

(01:16:38):
playing at Philly and you know Aj Brown catches the
deep touchdown and Philly wins by four at the end
of the game, and you know you lose on the
final possession in Philly is that a bad job by
Brian Dable? You know what I mean? And I know
again it's it's hard to think that way.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
They'll be frustrated, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's
a bad coaching job.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Absolutely, you know what I mean. So you can be frustrated,
but you can't dump on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
The guys with with the schedule. You're gonna have to
look at this a little bit of a different way,
which I know people don't want to hear that, And frankly,
I don't think people here want to hear that. Either
they expect to win football games. They want to win
football games. They're not gonna Carol, we lost a close game.
Nobody wants to hear that. No, or they wouldn't want
to hear that. No one wants to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
You don't get tickets postseason tickets for losing close games.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Correct, you know it, You know no, you don't. You
don't get style points for for wins or losses for
that matter. That's just the way correct. There is no
poll correct point dif friendship does not matter when it
comes to the standings, one hundred percent right. But it's
a really, really tough schedule you could play a great
game and still lose to Patrick Holmes. You could play

(01:17:45):
a great game in Week two and still lose to
commands that you can play really good against Dallas in
Dallas and week you know we wanted and still use
the game or Week two against Dallas to lose the game.
You have commanders in week one. But that's just the
way the season's gonna kind of go. Here, all right,
it's time for our third and final interview. Javon Holland
is brought to you by ticket Masher, the official ticket
marketplace of the New York Giants and the NFL. I

(01:18:08):
had a chance to talk to Javon, one of the
giants new additions in the secondary again, during mandatory mini
camp the second week of June. Here's my chat with him.
So we talked to you when he got here. You're
really excited. What is the experience been like? Did it
match what you kind of thought it was gonna be
when you got here? Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:18:24):
Yeah, I think I think everybody on the team and
in the organization has has done a great job of,
you know, welcoming me, and I feel at home and
so I'm really enjoying myself and I think everybody here
is you know, they're really good people and we're all
one mind, you know, going to one direction.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
How about the defensive scheme? Has it met what you
thought it was gonna be. How has it been like
trying to figure it out?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
It hasn't been too complicated.

Speaker 18 (01:18:44):
I think they do a good job of keeping simple,
but while also you know, reaching the certain you know
aspects of you know, how they're trying to attack an offense.
I think we do a good job of detailing the
small things and emphasizing them. But you know, at the
end of the day, everything comes back comes back to technique,
and I think coach him and Coach Bowen do a
great job of making sure that, you know, they emphasize

(01:19:04):
our principles and what they want to see from us,
while also allowing us a room to grow within the defense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I think Shane was very excited to bring you
in pulse in a dbo in. You know, when you
play his zone heavy scheme, there's gonna be a lot
of disguise, and I think it helps having veterans to
do that. Are you seeing some of those disguise aspects
even in the spring where you guys are trying to
show one thing and then post snap you're rotating to
something else to try to make that quarterback think once
or twice before they make a decision.

Speaker 18 (01:19:28):
Yeah, you know, they're they're slowly trickling in a lot
of the time early in the spring, you know, you're
just trying to get comfortable with the defense and see,
you know, where everybody's feet land. And then you know,
these last couple of days, as we've gotten out there,
we've been able to you know, add some disguises, add
some you know, put a little sugar on top, just
to you know, give the quarterback something differency.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
I know you're excited to put a Tyler Newman when
you got here. Now that you've been in a meeting
room with him, seeing how he ticks and how his
mind works, what has it been like kind of learning
about him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
It's great, it's great.

Speaker 18 (01:19:54):
I had a coach tell me that everybody needs every
every other safety needs. You know, there's caddies, and then
there's golfers and and a lot of the time in
golf or in football as well, you know you have
one guy who's a golfer and he's just like athletically
there and he can go and get it. And then
you have a caddy who is both athletically there but mental.
On the mental side, you know, he can control the defense,
he can communicate. I don't think either of us are golfers.

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I think both of us are caddies, and I think
Tiber does a great job of both using his intelligence
to take advantage of the pre snap while also communicating
and making things clear.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
For the defense.

Speaker 18 (01:20:25):
I think it's you know, it's been it's been nice
to see a young talent like that and and how
high his ceiling is, and he's very, very motivated. So
I'm really happy to be able to, you know, help
help guide him and and and help bring him along
because he's he's real uh, he's real gifted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Do you feel like you're completely interchangeable where both of
you guys can do every job that you need to
do as a safety.

Speaker 18 (01:20:45):
I think so, Yeah, I definitely think so. I think
that's the you know, part of the reason why they
brought us in. I think as new grows, he's gonna
become even more you know, of an interchangeable safety. But
I think he's where he is right now and in
the short time. I mean it's it's it's final to
see how you know, confident he is back there, and
how successful he can be when he's communicating.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
He's clear, he's able to just react.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
And I got to imagine the ability to be interchangeable
is what gives the defensive coordinator freedom, right because if
the defense, if the offense rather doesn't know, all right, well,
this guy's always the strong, this guy's always the fray,
then that opens up so many doors for what you
guys can do.

Speaker 9 (01:21:21):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:21:22):
Yeah, for the front offense, I mean it adds a
foggy level of clarity, you know what I mean, Like
it's not so clear who's doing what. So I think,
you know, for a defense, it definitely opens up a
lot more and the ability for us to just kind
of show a shell and then get to whatever we
need to get to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
So they're new for you, but they're new for the
Giants too. You have a new defense back coach and
a new quarterbacks coach. Here, what has it been like
in the room. How do they run the room and
kind of how do they try to bring you guys
all together so you're on the same page.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Yeah, So so em And and JB.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Markarttmanuel being a yes, Mark.

Speaker 18 (01:21:51):
Carmanuel, Jeff Burris and and Pops Mike Mike Adams date,
all three of them do a phenomenal job working together.
I think Coach is kind of the spearhead for for.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
What we're what we're doing.

Speaker 18 (01:22:03):
And then h JB and Pops are you know, his
right hand and left hand and they're you know, as
he's talking in front of the room, they're giving small
points to certain guys and it's a great mix, you know,
you know, there's never a single voice. They all have
different opinions and they all share opinions with each other,
and you know, it's a it's a well, it's a
well rounded thought process. You know, JB was first round

(01:22:25):
pick for their colts, and Am spent years in the
league and also on Super Bowl winning teams, so there's
a lot of knowledge, and there's and Pops as well
as like eleven thirteen years in the league, So there's
a lot of knowledge of dB and there's a lot
of knowledge in a room and they're definitely able to
you know, share those tidbits to us over their years.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
All right, final question, You've been around teams that have
had a lot of success. You've been around of the
teams that have struggled. When you take a look at
this defense, do you think this group has something to
it where you guys can and this team where you
guys can be pretty good this year?

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 18 (01:22:58):
I think that the accumulation, it's that we have the
work ethic that the guys are putting and the overall
attitude towards both coaching, the scheme and how we're running things.
I think we're gonna be We're gonna have some success.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
You found a home course yet in Jersey or No.

Speaker 18 (01:23:14):
There's a couple of courses, man. I get off the
Forest Hill, a lot upper Montclair. I was at Preagnus
Father's Elbow. I mean, there's there's a lot of good courses.
I'm staying over in Hoboken Weehawking area, so I'm a
little bit farther, but I don't mind the drive. Playing
Old Bridge today, Uh, one of the newer courses down
in a not South Jersey, but a more southern area.
So I'm excited though, I'm excited to play Scarsdale.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
There's plenty of courses.

Speaker 8 (01:23:36):
Man.

Speaker 18 (01:23:37):
I played Scarsdale yesterday or two days ago. Shot eighty two.
So I'm coming around. I'm hoping to break to break
eighty real soon, not yet. I shot eighty at Somerset Hills,
and it's really because like small blow up holes, and
it's usually because I make a wrong decision to like,
you know, grab whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Club too aggressive.

Speaker 18 (01:23:56):
So yeah, you know what I mean, Like I can
go for it, but just play the smart shot, play
the smart so coming soon, bricking Adie, coming soon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Keep working on. Paul could Javon howand get you on
the golf course?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
No what he could?

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
He loves his golf, though, man Javon loves his golf.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Well, I understand that, and there have been a lot
of players who love their golf. I am a paison,
which means I have no patience. And when you have
no patience, you cannot go to the golf course.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Well, I hate to tell you there are a lot
of Italians that play golf. Have you been to like
Dyker Heights golf course at Brooklyn?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
How many it is filled.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
With a bunch of old Italian guys playing golf for us?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
How many guys are the old time top one hundred
golfing list or Italian? Probably not more than one if
that it's not what we do well, I'm just saying fairpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Fair point, Javon Holland more seriously, I am excited se
him and Tyler Nuban together two smart safeties, and I
talked to him about this in the interview interchange a
little bit as he allows Shamee Bold to allow of
disguising on the back half of that defense, which should
be a lot of fun. We'll be right back with more.
Giants Training Camp Preview Special brought to you locally by
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(01:25:06):
Will take your calls. One more segment to Keith McPherson
comes your way at nine o'clock. We'll be back with
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(01:25:26):
want to get in at eight eight eight eight oh
eight one zero one nine, taking to the bottom of
the hour. At at the top of the hour rather
at nine o'clock when Keith McPherson comes your way, Big
day in the NFL, non giant wise jests with a
couple of big signings Garret Wilson four years, one hundred
and thirty million, ninety guaranteed, Sauce Gardner four for one,
twenty sixty guaranteed, a couple of contract extensions. We'll talk

(01:25:48):
about that and a whole lot more coming your way
at nine o'clock. And I mentioned Trey Smith, also a
record guard. So we had a record quarterback contract today
in Sauce, highest paid quarterback in NFL history and the
highest paid Garden NFL history with Trey Smith at four years,
ninety four million, seventy of that guarantee. Patrick Mahomes had
a little smiley faced emoji on Twitter after that one.

(01:26:09):
He was quite pleased.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Should we make McPherson the highest paid host in radio history.
I'm sure he'd be okay with that. I bet you
he would.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Do you want to write the check that I won't do?
Absolutely not. All right, it's not to play some factor
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so this is gonna know you're straight up indis on
me blindly? Yes, Sam, which you are?

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Which you love to do?

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Which I like to do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yes you do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Who will be the Giants offensive star at training camp
this year?

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I passively a fact of fiction. Let me put that again.
My Lak neighbors will be the Giants offensive star training
camp this year. Factor fiction. I almost broke the rules
of my own game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
But I was just gonna say, how am I supposed
to answer?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
No, you can't. Well, the Lak dagbors be the factor fiction.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I'm going to say fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Okay, why?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
A couple of reasons. First of all, I think Russell
Wilson is going to be dynamite. I'm a very big
believer in what he is doing and that I also
believe that Cam Skataboo is going to have this crowd
rocking and rolling every time he touches the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Bard for powerbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I think people are so enamored with him. Look, I
just saw him recently. We were walking through the lunch
room together and I said to him, do you understand
that you're like a cult hero already here? Because he
was very modest about it, and I said.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
He's a very for a guy that plays with such
panache and violence. He's a very low key guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yes, yes, very even keel, very low key. I mean,
exactly the opposite of me. And I said, look, I'm
not I'm not trying to tell you anything you probably
don't already know. But because of your background and because
of your playing style and the height that's already come with,
you're being drafted here. People are really jacked up for you.

(01:28:06):
I said, you know, I just hope you know the
expectations are high and the fans are gonna love you, man,
because they were already starting. And he was like, very
modest about it. But I think every time he touches
the ball, you're gonna get people in the crowd that
are gonna be pretty rocking about him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Sorry, it's gonna be neighbors. He's Russell Moss to throw
a deep, Neighbors, knows how to run deep. He's gonna
make some great catches. It's gonna be neighbors because Frankly
is the i mean best offensive, most explosive offensive player
on the roster, and he's awesome. And I think he's
gonna be healthy to start camp, and I think he's
gonna be great, and you're going neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Your reasoning is one thousand and fifty percent logical. I'm
not sure how much he's even going to play a
training camp.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
That's the trick.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
That's the trick.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I think they would want to get him some time
with Wilson to gain that continental I think.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
They will, but I also think they still want to
be cautious with him, and so again, I just don't
maybe think he's gonna get as many chances as you might.
And I've digested that into my factor fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yes, Abdul Carter will be the defensive star at trading camp.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Fact.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
I will say fact on that one, and that's because
I do think we will see an awful lot of
him between all the different permutations of where he's going
to line up, He's gonna be all over the field.
And even though they will blow the whistle dead excuse
me on a number of occasions where he's about to
hit the quarterback, people are gonna get really excited about him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Third one, factor fiction, give me your answer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I agree with you. I think it's gonna be out
to the quarter people are he's the third over pick
in the draft. He's probably if not the best, a
top three athlete on the team. Just the way he
moves it stinks that. I'm not sure based on what
Andrew Thomas told us on the interview we did with
him earlier on the program, we might not get that
match up much in camp at practice because if Tomas

(01:29:54):
coming back from that foot injury, right, but I would
love to see that one on one. Abdul Carter, Jermaine
illuminor I'll think that too, But sounds like fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Go back to your first question for just a second.
Every time Jackson Dart throws a touchdown pass, the crowd's
gonna go nuts, too.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
I don't want to put that type of pressure on
a rookie quarterback. I don't think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
I don't want to put that kind of pressure on
any rookie. I didn't even want to do it to Cam,
but the people already.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Pumped up about him and your cutter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yes, no, it'scattable.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Oh it's cattable. I think you picked two rookies. I'm sorry,
my bad. People are excited about him, absolutely, all right.
Final factor fiction here, the breakout player in training camp
this year will be Jalen Hyatt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Boy I hope. So I'll go fact only because I
want it to be.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Who else do you think it could be besides Hyatt?
Is that that's based on what we saw in the spring.
That's what makes sense. He had a monster spring. He
was fantastic. We talked about the way he put on
twenty pounds, a good weight. He still runs fast as
GPS numbers are what they were before. Who else you
think could be a breakout candidate?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
I think it would be possible. Now people here don't
know a lot about Pulse and a debo because he
played for the same Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
I mean, I don't think a guy you paid all
that money in the off season is a breakout No,
And that's why I'm gonna say he was almost my
defensive star that I picked, to be honest with. Yeah,
so problems that I think he might get stuck on
neighbors too much, and Neighbors is so good it's gonna
be hard for him to be the defensive star.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
I understand, you know, But yeah, I think I think
when you talk about that question, you have to take
into account the expectation, and I just don't think anybody's
really expecting much out of Hyatt because he hasn't shown
a lot in the first two years.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
That's why it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
So it's got so it's got to be him. It's
gotta be him. I mean, it's got to be a landslide.
It's gotta be Jalen Hyatt.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
It could it be Deontay Banks, it could be That's
the other guy I'm looking when I when I look
for a breakout candidate, I look for the guy that
I think their production hasn't met. That's their physical skills yet, right,
And those are the two guys with Hyatt's speed and
Banks's just total package size and speed together, those two

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guys are the two that jump out of me that
I know. The guys have it physically, they can do it,
they just haven't put it together yet. That's why I
think those are the guys that have the two best
chances there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
And I'll throw one other guy onto the fire for you,
and that would be THEO Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Showed us a lot of flashes and then could hurt
when he injured his foot at the end of last season.
THEO Johnson could be a very very productive player.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
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particularly looking forward to a training camp. And by the way, folks,
if you guys want to go out to the training camp,
make sure you go to giants dot com slash Training
Camp to get your tickets. There are some available still.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
You can go out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
It's a great environment for kids. They can get aug
gas from the players after practice, adults can get autographs
from the alumni that show up. They have games, food, concessions,
you can there's a team shop. You can buy gear
if you want to come, and a lot of fun
stuff for the kids today.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah, it's it's really a great time folks. And over
the course of a couple of weeks there there are
plenty of opportunities and still tickets available for I think
two thirds or three fourths of the practices. Only a
few of them are.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Sold out, and those are mostly the weekend ones. That
get so exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
So you know certainly, and do remember, by the way,
check the weather that day, because if practice has to
go inside.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
You're buying tickets ahead of time, you can't really check
the weather that far. No, But if you have tickets, right,
don't just drive out here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Do make sure you check the weather and check giants
dot Com, check the Twitter, check all your social media
because if they've got to move practice inside because of
either rain or a heavy threat of rain, they can't
let fans in the field house to watch practice because
of safety issues.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
And I will say this, oftentimes, if it's a light rain,
they'll still practice outside it's a heavy rain or more importantly, lightning.
Lightning is the real bugaboo, right for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
To keep in mind, I want to throw one other
item in here that we haven't talked about in two
hours yet, and that's the special team's rulves have changed
again with the kickoffs. And you know, one of the
things the Giants have really emphasized during this offseason is
to greatly enhance their special teams. And I will say
this right now, John, I'm a big smith Marsett guy.

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I thought he did a great job on returns last year,
his kickoff returns were really spectactical age. They have a
lot of fun. I hope he wins that job again
and does a really terrific, terrific job in a second
season with the Giants. I hope he's the guy. I
don't know who the pupper tone is gonna be yet,
but I'll tell you this, If the Giants are putting
as much emphasis on specials as I believe they are,

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because they want to win that part of the game
every week, They're gonna need to decide early who those
returnment are going to be. So I'm really looking forward
to that too. Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Look, and again, we just haven't talked about him much today.
We haven't gotten any calls on him. We mentioned him
in the first segment, we haven't talked about him since. Look,
just judging jackson darts development, and I'm gonna caution people,
and it's the same thing I said before the spring.
Don't lose your mind over what a rookie quarterback does
in his first training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Really tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
We've seen guys look like they might never be able
to play in the league and end up becoming really
good players. And that's in any position, not just quarterback,
with quarterbacks tougher than other positions, so even in trade,
even in preseason games, you'd much rather see him do
well than do poorly. Obviously, sure, but these opposing defenses
are very vanilla. They're not trying to fool you. You're

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not playing in a real NFL game, so don't take
too much out of those either. But seeing him develop,
Brian Dable is a huge fan. He's a smart kid,
he's uber competitive. Giant fans will love his personality. It's
gonna be a lot of fun to watch him develop.
Just remember the team and the coaches know a lot
more about how he's developing than we do watching practice

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every day, and you do who maybe comes to one
practice and are just reading newspaper reports. So at some
point we're just gonna have to trust their evaluation of
when he's going to be ready and when he gets
into the starting line.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
And all those lines. Don't be too disappointed if you
don't see a lot of him during the preseason. Maybe
it'll only take you know, a quarter or two. You
just don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
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