December 9, 2025 • 11 mins
Interim head coach Mike Kafka speaks to the media Tuesday from the Quest Diagnostics Training Center.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody, just real quick. Well we opened up the window
for our green and Darius Mussau, So just so you guys,
just a little update on that for you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Please raise your hand if you have a question. Paul Schwartz, Hey, Mike,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Paul, been great?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good? A couple of things. Did you get any time
away from it? And if you did, what did you reflect?
I'm sure you didn't get a hundred percent time away.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
What did you reflect back on maybe what you've done
so far and what needs to be done moving forward.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, to answer your first question, I did get some time.
Took a few days there at the back end of
it to watch to watch my kids play, you know,
for hockey, indoor hockey, some sports so that some sporting events.
That was awesome, so cool to watch them compete and
have fun. And then yeah, absolutely I had some time
to reflect and think about the first three weeks, think
about kind of the future of it and what we
(01:13):
wanted to get accomplished, whether that was you know, via
self scout, which which I spent a bulk of the
time looking at offensively, defensively special teams wise, working with
the coordinators on some self scout stuff, and just bouncing
ideas off each other. So that was pretty cool. They're
very productive and you can it's cool to kind of
see that come to life today in some of those
meetings we had and had a nice little, you know,
(01:34):
kind of walk through to talk through some of those ideas.
So it's been that's been a positive and really cool,
just a good energy in terms of coming back off
the buy one one one more thing.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
This is very new to you, right, I mean, this
is you know, in this in this introim role. This
is not very new to your roster as far as
you know. It's late in the season for them, it's
earlier maybe for you in your mind because this is
the start of think.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't know if you would agree with that or not, but.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Do you sense any kind of excuse me, selling job
you need to do with some of these players coming
back after a late bye to focus on these last
four games and you know, not kind of wait till
the end of the season kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't sense that. I mean, if you're in our
team meeting today, if you're in our our walk through today,
in the individual meetings, you felt the energy and you
felt the urgency for these guys continue to improve and
put together a great week of practice for Washington. Thank you, Mike, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
At Valentine, Mike, how are you good? Good?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Sort of piggybacks off Paul's question, but with the late
bye with four weeks left, what is the message you
know for these guys as they come back, as far as.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, what you want to accomplish the last four weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You know, I think what what the messaging has been
is really just focusing on today, focusing on this week,
not look ahead four weeks in the future. Just focus
on how we can improve. And then that's that's one
of the great reasons why we had a great like
great bye week is to evaluate all those things and evaluate,
you know, our schemes, the play callers, like I did
a deep dive into how I'm calling the games and
(03:20):
where I can get better at. And it was cool
to kind of to really, you know, be really critical
of the areas that I can I can get better at,
so you know, coming with a great plan for the
players how they can improve, how we can get better,
and then really all focus on Washington.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
What's the value of I mean, I know for you
you know, you're a lot of guys trying to compete
for jobs, compete for roster spots, you know, put good,
good film out there. What's the value you know two
and eleven, you know, for for players of winning these games.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right, regardless of the regardless of the record. I mean,
our our focus and our vision is is on is
on Washington and how we can improve as a team,
how we improve individually and then as a group, and
then as a team. So again, our coordinators and our
coaches have a really clear plan and how we want
to do that and how we want to attack it.
So now it's about bringing that to life, and no
better than our players having that opportunity and continue to
(04:16):
find ways for them to get better. I think as
an NFL football player, you know, you want to be
able to maximize yourself. And that's what that's what our
challenges is coaching staff, is to continue to maximize our players,
so putting them in a good position, continuing to you know,
have an aggressive mindset, and and then attacking this week
with great urgency.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Thanks, Brian ton Leaby, Hey, Mike carry Out, Hey Rons,
I was a minute late here.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm at the Brian Burns event.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I saw Twitter tells me you updated some practice windows.
But other guys last time we saw Tyrone Tracy who
was pretty bad hanged up at the end of that game,
cave On Thibodeau. Do you expect those guys to uh
be back on the practice field at all this week
or before the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, we'll We'll see on both of those guys. Right now,
they're just getting the rehab really. Today is kind of
one of they're just kind of working out and getting
through the walkthrough. Tomorrow we'll have a better feel once
we kind of see him in the training room today
and tomorrow, so I'll have a better feel tomorrow for you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, what happened on over the last week with Brian.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Cox, Yeah, rle You know, I'm not going to get
into the into the details of of what happened with
b Cox, just the same as I'm not going to
get into the details of how we handle you know,
our players, those are those are tough decisions, but I'm
going to keep those in house and you know, just
how to respect for everybody. But I mean, the one
thing I will say is, you know, being in this
(05:50):
job for the last few weeks, you know, having to
make some decisions, and some of them have been you know,
very public, many of them haven't been. And you know,
I think what what I've learned is, you know, how
can we continue to put this team in the best
position to win games? And that's what I'm evaluating, so
everything top to bottom, taking the time to do that,
(06:11):
being very detailed, Vadan veren be very you know, I
would say, just having a good pulse of like what
this team needs and understanding how I want to get
that done, and just having a clear message there. So
that's what we thought was the best for the team.
That's what I thought was best for the team, so
we went with it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What do you think We're going to talk to him
in a minute, so I'm curious, what do you think
of this season Jermaine Illuminor has had.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, really really proud of Jermaine being with him here
for the last few years. His his work ethic, his
just intentionality in the meetings, and then the production he's
had on the field has just been super impressive. To
watch him go out there and play play his butt
off each play in the run game in the past game,
and you know, he's up versus you know, a bunch
of different challenges this year in terms of pass rushers
(07:00):
on the edge, and he's stepped up every single time.
So I'm very proud of Jermaine. Thanks, Mike, Thanks and
then Barnes.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Any right, I'm just curious when you said you self
scouted just kind of call players, just kind of what
are some things you notice as far as like you know,
during that observation.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, the tendencies when I'm calling certain things, you know,
certain parts of the game, when I'm calling certain things
or things that I'm not calling that I wish I
would get to. You know, I go back and look
at the call sheets and see some of the things,
Like you know, each game you have a call sheet
and we kind of highlight the ones that that we
did call in that game and which ones we didn't call.
So I'm looking at call sheets saying, why didn't I
(07:40):
ever get back to this play or this series of
of of ideas, just taking notes, looking at the notes
from postgame stuff and thoughts that we had after the game,
which we were you know, things that we really liked
that we wanted to get to. So just being really
critical of myself on things that our players do really well,
and how can we get to those things more? How
can we get to some alternative things? Is that compliment
(08:00):
it to give ourselves an advantage?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
And then also, I know the Commanders obviously, you know
they didn't play Jane at the rest of the Jane James.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
The rest of the game that he could have played in.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
When you're looking at Washington, do you kind of prepare
for both Jane and Marcus Marriotta just because of you
know how fluid that situation is.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, absolutely, you have to look at both. I think
they both have a similar skill set. They're both able
to run and throw and operate. You know, Marcus is
a veteran quarterback, remember him for my time in Tennessee
who played together there for for a hot minute, for
for a couple of weeks. But yeah, a lot of
respect for both of those guys. And Cliff does a
great job with the offense. Yeah, so it's gonna be
(08:37):
it's gonna be a big challenge for us.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Last one are stables and oh sorry Tumar to rock.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And Mike's.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
Uh just curious you've you've obviously been in this situation
now as an interim head coach, I'm just curious. I
know it probably seems like I'm not sure if it
seems long or if it seems like it just happened yesterday,
But what are the challenges now that you're in this position, uh,
to to get things that you want done and the
(09:13):
personalities that are involved. And I would imagine it's just
not as simple as Okay, I'm the head coach now,
so I get to do it my way. So how
hard is that to implement your way and how you
see things in this role?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I think I think what I know is that
you open up lines of communication and collaborate with the
great people we have here already. Sure, there's some things
that if you feel like fits our fits our team,
it's going to help us win. Those are some of
the little things that you want to maybe tweak or change.
But it just opened up lines of communication across the
board with really all the departments communicating kind of my vision,
(09:49):
communicating how I how I see things happening, and then
working with each other to get it to get it
cleaned up and fixed. So if there's if there's problems
and there's issues, then being you know, being able to
be a problem solver and being asset it and clean
those things up that I think we need to get
cleaned up. And then the things that are working really well,
you build on that. You know, I think there's just
a lot of opportunity for growth across the board with
(10:10):
our players, with our coaches, with our staff, how we
can continue to grow and get better. And you know,
having this bye week really opened my eyes to some
of those areas, and you know, as best I can,
and the amount of time I have to to do
that because you know, again I I come to the office,
there's there's there's things you got to make sure you
touch base with, whether the player is the staff. But
then also like there's a game planning part. We have
(10:31):
a game we got to play and and getting that
stuff organized. And you know, I'm lucky to have a
great staff. I'm lucky to have a great group around
me that can support me and and kind of keep
me on track. And then wherever I can insert myself
and put my fingerprint on it.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
The other thing would be, you know, a forty four
year old quarterback to sign with a practice squad in
the NFL? Have you given up on that dreaming?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is that that that hit I haven't seen I haven't
seen it yet, that hit practice squad.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
And good for him when you hear that, you know,
you know yourself, you know your body, but you could
you imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I know where you're going with this are Yeah, you know,
my time is over. That time is over. That time
is over for me. That's all. That's great for him,
that's awesome. I hope he does great.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Thanks last one to Mike. I. I just had a
real quick one since Indiana has been in the news lately.
Micah McFadden.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Is he uh up and running it looked like, and
and does he have any chance of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Coming back this year?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I think I think he does have a chance.
Don't know when, don't have a timeline there yet, but
I think I think he definitely has a chance. He's
certainly walking around with his chest puffed out little bit
more these days.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
What what would be the benefit, I guess of getting
him back on the field, even if it's just for
a game or two.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
At the end of the Yeah, he's he's itching to
get out there, and I know as soon as our
you know, our training staff feels like it's appropriate, we'll
get him out there. I know he's he's chopping at
the bit to be out there with his teammates and
contribute anyway possible.
Everybody, just real quick. Well we opened up the window
for our green and Darius Mussau, So just so you guys,
just a little update on that for you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Please raise your hand if you have a question. Paul Schwartz, Hey, Mike,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Paul, been great?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good? A couple of things. Did you get any time
away from it? And if you did, what did you reflect?
I'm sure you didn't get a hundred percent time away.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
What did you reflect back on maybe what you've done
so far and what needs to be done moving forward.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, to answer your first question, I did get some time.
Took a few days there at the back end of
it to watch to watch my kids play, you know,
for hockey, indoor hockey, some sports so that some sporting events.
That was awesome, so cool to watch them compete and
have fun. And then yeah, absolutely I had some time
to reflect and think about the first three weeks, think
about kind of the future of it and what we
(01:13):
wanted to get accomplished, whether that was you know, via
self scout, which which I spent a bulk of the
time looking at offensively, defensively special teams wise, working with
the coordinators on some self scout stuff, and just bouncing
ideas off each other. So that was pretty cool. They're
very productive and you can it's cool to kind of
see that come to life today in some of those
meetings we had and had a nice little, you know,
(01:34):
kind of walk through to talk through some of those ideas.
So it's been that's been a positive and really cool,
just a good energy in terms of coming back off
the buy one one one more thing.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
This is very new to you, right, I mean, this
is you know, in this in this introim role. This
is not very new to your roster as far as
you know. It's late in the season for them, it's
earlier maybe for you in your mind because this is
the start of think.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't know if you would agree with that or not, but.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Do you sense any kind of excuse me, selling job
you need to do with some of these players coming
back after a late bye to focus on these last
four games and you know, not kind of wait till
the end of the season kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't sense that. I mean, if you're in our
team meeting today, if you're in our our walk through today,
in the individual meetings, you felt the energy and you
felt the urgency for these guys continue to improve and
put together a great week of practice for Washington. Thank you, Mike, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
At Valentine, Mike, how are you good? Good?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Sort of piggybacks off Paul's question, but with the late
bye with four weeks left, what is the message you
know for these guys as they come back, as far as.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, what you want to accomplish the last four weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You know, I think what what the messaging has been
is really just focusing on today, focusing on this week,
not look ahead four weeks in the future. Just focus
on how we can improve. And then that's that's one
of the great reasons why we had a great like
great bye week is to evaluate all those things and evaluate,
you know, our schemes, the play callers, like I did
a deep dive into how I'm calling the games and
(03:20):
where I can get better at. And it was cool
to kind of to really, you know, be really critical
of the areas that I can I can get better at,
so you know, coming with a great plan for the
players how they can improve, how we can get better,
and then really all focus on Washington.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
What's the value of I mean, I know for you
you know, you're a lot of guys trying to compete
for jobs, compete for roster spots, you know, put good,
good film out there. What's the value you know two
and eleven, you know, for for players of winning these games.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right, regardless of the regardless of the record. I mean,
our our focus and our vision is is on is
on Washington and how we can improve as a team,
how we improve individually and then as a group, and
then as a team. So again, our coordinators and our
coaches have a really clear plan and how we want
to do that and how we want to attack it.
So now it's about bringing that to life, and no
better than our players having that opportunity and continue to
(04:16):
find ways for them to get better. I think as
an NFL football player, you know, you want to be
able to maximize yourself. And that's what that's what our
challenges is coaching staff, is to continue to maximize our players,
so putting them in a good position, continuing to you know,
have an aggressive mindset, and and then attacking this week
with great urgency.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Thanks, Brian ton Leaby, Hey, Mike carry Out, Hey Rons,
I was a minute late here.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm at the Brian Burns event.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I saw Twitter tells me you updated some practice windows.
But other guys last time we saw Tyrone Tracy who
was pretty bad hanged up at the end of that game,
cave On Thibodeau. Do you expect those guys to uh
be back on the practice field at all this week
or before the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, we'll We'll see on both of those guys. Right now,
they're just getting the rehab really. Today is kind of
one of they're just kind of working out and getting
through the walkthrough. Tomorrow we'll have a better feel once
we kind of see him in the training room today
and tomorrow, so I'll have a better feel tomorrow for you.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, what happened on over the last week with Brian.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Cox, Yeah, rle You know, I'm not going to get
into the into the details of of what happened with
b Cox, just the same as I'm not going to
get into the details of how we handle you know,
our players, those are those are tough decisions, but I'm
going to keep those in house and you know, just
how to respect for everybody. But I mean, the one
thing I will say is, you know, being in this
(05:50):
job for the last few weeks, you know, having to
make some decisions, and some of them have been you know,
very public, many of them haven't been. And you know,
I think what what I've learned is, you know, how
can we continue to put this team in the best
position to win games? And that's what I'm evaluating, so
everything top to bottom, taking the time to do that,
(06:11):
being very detailed, Vadan veren be very you know, I
would say, just having a good pulse of like what
this team needs and understanding how I want to get
that done, and just having a clear message there. So
that's what we thought was the best for the team.
That's what I thought was best for the team, so
we went with it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
What do you think We're going to talk to him
in a minute, so I'm curious, what do you think
of this season Jermaine Illuminor has had.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, really really proud of Jermaine being with him here
for the last few years. His his work ethic, his
just intentionality in the meetings, and then the production he's
had on the field has just been super impressive. To
watch him go out there and play play his butt
off each play in the run game in the past game,
and you know, he's up versus you know, a bunch
of different challenges this year in terms of pass rushers
(07:00):
on the edge, and he's stepped up every single time.
So I'm very proud of Jermaine. Thanks, Mike, Thanks and
then Barnes.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Any right, I'm just curious when you said you self
scouted just kind of call players, just kind of what
are some things you notice as far as like you know,
during that observation.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, the tendencies when I'm calling certain things, you know,
certain parts of the game, when I'm calling certain things
or things that I'm not calling that I wish I
would get to. You know, I go back and look
at the call sheets and see some of the things,
Like you know, each game you have a call sheet
and we kind of highlight the ones that that we
did call in that game and which ones we didn't call.
So I'm looking at call sheets saying, why didn't I
(07:40):
ever get back to this play or this series of
of of ideas, just taking notes, looking at the notes
from postgame stuff and thoughts that we had after the game,
which we were you know, things that we really liked
that we wanted to get to. So just being really
critical of myself on things that our players do really well,
and how can we get to those things more? How
can we get to some alternative things? Is that compliment
(08:00):
it to give ourselves an advantage?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
And then also, I know the Commanders obviously, you know
they didn't play Jane at the rest of the Jane James.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
The rest of the game that he could have played in.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
When you're looking at Washington, do you kind of prepare
for both Jane and Marcus Marriotta just because of you
know how fluid that situation is.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, absolutely, you have to look at both. I think
they both have a similar skill set. They're both able
to run and throw and operate. You know, Marcus is
a veteran quarterback, remember him for my time in Tennessee
who played together there for for a hot minute, for
for a couple of weeks. But yeah, a lot of
respect for both of those guys. And Cliff does a
great job with the offense. Yeah, so it's gonna be
(08:37):
it's gonna be a big challenge for us.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Last one are stables and oh sorry Tumar to rock.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And Mike's.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
Uh just curious you've you've obviously been in this situation
now as an interim head coach, I'm just curious. I
know it probably seems like I'm not sure if it
seems long or if it seems like it just happened yesterday,
But what are the challenges now that you're in this position, uh,
to to get things that you want done and the
(09:13):
personalities that are involved. And I would imagine it's just
not as simple as Okay, I'm the head coach now,
so I get to do it my way. So how
hard is that to implement your way and how you
see things in this role?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I think I think what I know is that
you open up lines of communication and collaborate with the
great people we have here already. Sure, there's some things
that if you feel like fits our fits our team,
it's going to help us win. Those are some of
the little things that you want to maybe tweak or change.
But it just opened up lines of communication across the
board with really all the departments communicating kind of my vision,
(09:49):
communicating how I how I see things happening, and then
working with each other to get it to get it
cleaned up and fixed. So if there's if there's problems
and there's issues, then being you know, being able to
be a problem solver and being asset it and clean
those things up that I think we need to get
cleaned up. And then the things that are working really well,
you build on that. You know, I think there's just
a lot of opportunity for growth across the board with
(10:10):
our players, with our coaches, with our staff, how we
can continue to grow and get better. And you know,
having this bye week really opened my eyes to some
of those areas, and you know, as best I can,
and the amount of time I have to to do
that because you know, again I I come to the office,
there's there's there's things you got to make sure you
touch base with, whether the player is the staff. But
then also like there's a game planning part. We have
(10:31):
a game we got to play and and getting that
stuff organized. And you know, I'm lucky to have a
great staff. I'm lucky to have a great group around
me that can support me and and kind of keep
me on track. And then wherever I can insert myself
and put my fingerprint on it.
Speaker 8 (10:44):
The other thing would be, you know, a forty four
year old quarterback to sign with a practice squad in
the NFL? Have you given up on that dreaming?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is that that that hit I haven't seen I haven't
seen it yet, that hit practice squad.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
And good for him when you hear that, you know,
you know yourself, you know your body, but you could
you imagine.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I know where you're going with this are Yeah, you know,
my time is over. That time is over. That time
is over for me. That's all. That's great for him,
that's awesome. I hope he does great.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Thanks last one to Mike. I. I just had a
real quick one since Indiana has been in the news lately.
Micah McFadden.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Is he uh up and running it looked like, and
and does he have any chance of.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Coming back this year?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I think I think he does have a chance.
Don't know when, don't have a timeline there yet, but
I think I think he definitely has a chance. He's
certainly walking around with his chest puffed out little bit
more these days.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
What what would be the benefit, I guess of getting
him back on the field, even if it's just for
a game or two.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
At the end of the Yeah, he's he's itching to
get out there, and I know as soon as our
you know, our training staff feels like it's appropriate, we'll
get him out there. I know he's he's chopping at
the bit to be out there with his teammates and
contribute anyway possible.
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