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We trace a ghost word from Roanoke through writers and outlaws, dig into why raccoons are evolving alongside our cities, and then confront how predators exploit kids on major platforms while companies look away. Gratitude, humor, and music breaks give way to a direct call for vigilance and action.

• Croatoan’s trail across Roanoke, Bierce, Poe, Black Bart, and Amelia Earhart
• plausible assimilation vs myth‑making and legend drift
• raccoon pre‑domestication traits in urban ecosystems
• John Prine, Daddy And Them, and why tone matters
• Ryan Montgomery’s ethical hacking and verified stats
• Roblox bans vigilantes while predators thrive
• the 764 cult’s scripts for grooming and extortion
• practical safety: remove risky apps, limit DMs, monitor devices
• tools to explore: Bark, Sentinel Foundation resources
• steps to educate friends, set boundaries, and keep kids talking

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SPEAKER_02 (02:44):
Lanterns low, thunder rolls, Scott and Atlanta
hit the road.
Dirt roads, dark, moonlighthides.
Sasquatch prince by the riverside.

SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Gilded Trash.
And let me tell you, this weekwe are stacked.
Stacked.
We've got raccoons turning intoemotional support mascots.
We've got Crow Toen popping upeverywhere in history like some

(03:22):
weird uh they're here message.
Um, we've got Sean Ryan talkingto Ryan Montgomery this week in
a six-hour long podcast.
We got Roblox, we got vigilantepredator hunters.
What else, babe?

SPEAKER_01 (03:39):
We're covering predators, poets, colonists,
cults, raccoons, assassins,gamers, nihilists, vigilantes,
an extremely dry Andy Griffithmovie, although I will say it
grew on me.
Basically, it exists,disappears, evolves, commits a

(04:01):
crime, leaves a cryptic message.
We're talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
We are talking about it.
But first, today is actuallyThanksgiving.

SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
It is Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_00 (04:13):
And we've been lucky enough not to have to cook
today.
We're cooking Sunday instead.

SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
So yeah, I'm excited about that.
Um, but since we don't have tocook, I just want to take a
minute to say how thankful I amfor first and foremost, our
friends, family, and loyallisteners.
Because guys, like we appreciatethe comments, we appreciate the

(04:41):
engagement, we appreciate thelikes and shares.
We haven't gone viral just yet,but we will.
Um, but really, I want to saythat I am thankful for Scott.

SPEAKER_01 (04:54):
I do not I think I'd be first, but okay.
You were gonna be first on mylist, but you just got moved to
number two.

SPEAKER_00 (05:02):
I just wanted to get that one out of the way.

SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Um teaching.

SPEAKER_00 (05:05):
I know.
I just wanted to get that oneout of the way.
Um, but listen, I don't give youenough credit.
You are really truly a supernerd.
You just don't act like one, sopeople don't see it until you
start talking about certainthings.
But um, I this episode wouldn'teven be possible if he wouldn't
listen to nerdy podcasts all dayand then bring me the cool shit

(05:26):
that he finds so I don't have todig through it all.
So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Well, I appreciate that, and I appreciate you, and
I of course I'm thankful foryou.
I'm thankful for you for amultitude of reasons.
Um, but mostly that you just uhyou just get things done.
You're the uh you're the driver.
So uh no, I appreciate that.

(05:50):
And um no, but uh I mean otherthan that, I mean obviously I'm
thankful for the listeners.
I'm thankful for all that stuff.
But I think above all else, I'mthankful for my master built
extra large turkey fryer, indoorelectric turkey fryer that
should be here Saturday.
Um I think that's clear um thatthat takes top priority.

SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Um because I mean just Notice how it's always
about cooking gadgets.
It's always about the cookinggadgets.

SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
Gotta love it.
It just allows it, it's it hasso much room for activities.
I mean, it really does.
You can boil deep fry, air fry,steam.
You could make it into a littlehot tub.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
A hot tub for kittens, maybe.
I'm excited about that becauseI'm excited about deep fried
turkey.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Yeah, of course.
Which we'll be doing Sunday.
Like you already said, we'redoing a little we're going to a
dinner, but we're gonna do ourown little Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Yeah, and I'm not wishing anything crazy on us
over the next couple days, butwe've got a lot going on.
So if anything crazy doeshappen, of course, we'll bring
it to you guys and let you know.
But if not, we'll talk aboutwhat we ate and everything next
week.
But you guys know what we do forThanksgiving.
We've talked about it.

SPEAKER_01 (07:11):
Right, but we have a weekend packed full of
activities, though.
We got two shows, big show herein Johnstown, big show Saturday
night in State College.
Uh, and then doing our thinghere on Sunday, and then now
we've added another thing toMonday's schedule, which is
maybe hopefully linking up withsomebody that we haven't seen in
quite some time.
So that should be a good time.

SPEAKER_00 (07:32):
So maybe I can get an interview and see how the
life is sweet.

SPEAKER_01 (07:36):
What's funny though is that that pool picture right
there.
Me and remember we went to thatshow together right about the
time that you and I gottogether.
I think that was like 2009.

SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
So it was 2009, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Oh yeah.
So but anyway, yeah, back to theback back to reality.
What was that song?
What is that from?

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
Back to reality.
Back to reality.

SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Yeah, what is that?
It's an 80s song.

SPEAKER_00 (08:05):
Wait, however do you want me?
However do you need me?
However, do you want me?
Um LaBoof, me LaBouche, maybe?
I don't know.
I'll have to look.
It was a weird, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
I remember LaBouche, but I I mean I don't know if
it's them, but I'm just saying.
I don't know.
I said the song.

SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
I always wanted to come up with a band, obviously
LaDouche, but LaDouche.
LaDouche.

SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
La douche.

SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
La douche.
Bucky LaDouche.
That sounds like a guy.

SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
It does sound like a guy.

SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
Bucky La Douche.

SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
It sounds like a guy who has a used car lot.

SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:48):
But I'll never see Bucky La Douche.

SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
Hi.
I've been saying I've been outhere selling Nissan since 1986.
Come on down to Bucky La DoucheNissan.

unknown (08:59):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
In old in old Hickory, Tennessee.
Bucky LaDouche Nissan.

SPEAKER_00 (09:09):
So um the first thing that's on the schedule to
talk about today is a word.
So I remember the conversation.
I remember you coming to me andsaying, babe, like something
about this road, this word hasnot just appeared once, right?

SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Well right.
But let's start with thebeginning of this.
The word Crowton.
We know with the croton.
We're familiar with this.
I was a ri we were originallyfamiliar with this, like most
folks, through the lost colonyof Roanoke, which we've been
down to the park in the outerbanks.
We did the whole museum thing.

(09:47):
It's very fascinating stuff.
I mean, it's very interesting.
I enjoyed that.
Great little part.
Remember the garden?

SPEAKER_00 (09:54):
Yeah.
It was beautiful.
Yeah.
No, my favorite part though waslike the um the archway that cut
right into the sea.
That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
It might have been from the lost colony.
No, I don't think it was.
No, it was always shit, though.

SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
It was from like a naval battle site.
I don't remember.
The island is real story, but itwas still beautiful.
But yeah, that was great.

SPEAKER_01 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah.
No, but just to give a littlebackground, for those not
familiar, the lost colony ofRoanoke allegedly, like if you
go to the outer banks, you cansee it go to the over to Manio
and go to the museum and do thewhole thing.
It's very fascinating stuff.
Um, you know, but the Englishsettlers, they went there.

(10:38):
Supposedly, when they left, theyleft the word on the tree.
I mean, they did.
That's all that they left wasthis word on the tree.
People think they assimilatedinto the, which was the next the
next island down was CrootoanIsland.
So people think that theyassimilated with those Indians
that lived on that island, yadayada yada.
That's the story that mostpeople know.

(11:00):
What I brought to you wassomething that I saw.
Now, here's the real miracle ofit is we don't even know how I
saw this.
Because we have tried, I we Ihave endlessly Googled Chat GPT,
babe.
You chappied.
You tried to do that.
And even he he still refused tobreak this down.

(11:23):
I don't understand what's goingon with the searches on this
thing, but I saw it on either anepisode of um Mysteries at the
Museum, Mysteries at theMonument, Ancient Aliens, or The
Unexplained with WilliamShatner.
Those are the only four choices.
Those are the only shows I sleepto.

(11:43):
I'm teasing.
Those are the only shows.
But those are the frequent ones,right?

SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Now that I've banned Seinfeld's voice from the
bedroom after 9 p.m., yes.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
Right.
Occasionally, if I'm feelingfroggy, you might get a monk or
a psych or a house.

SPEAKER_02 (11:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
But usually it's those because I like the voices.
And it's very comforting to meto listen to George.

SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
Speaking of whips, this is not even on the list of
topics, but that video youshowed me of William Shatner
talking about the afterlife.

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Oh my God.
He's being interviewed.
It's like 60 Minutes orsomething like that, was
interviewing William Shatner.
And they're like asking himabout, because he does do this,
he he's hosted the show WeirderWhat, which is basically just a
the older version of what hedoes now, which is the
unexplained, which is on theHistory Channel, which, you
know, they just it's kind oflike an unsolved mysteries, but

(12:41):
not only focuses on like weirdthings, not really like murder
or anything like that.
It's just paranormal, more orless.
UFOs, Bigfoots, you know, all myfavorite things.
Um, mixed with Bill Shatner'svoice, which sounds surprisingly
at low volume in the middle ofthe night, sounds surprisingly
like Robert Stack.

SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
Just a little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
It's weird.
Yeah, if you have it low, I'mlike, is that Unsolved Mysteries
or is that Philip Shatner?

SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
No, but um speaking of which, I was sleeping the
other night and I woke up andsomething was on, and Scott
didn't know I was awake.
And it was scary.
The sound of it scared him somuch.
He just flipped it off.

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
I was like, It was unsolved mysteries.
You don't put that devil shit onin the middle of the night with
me, buddy.
Hell no.
That's Satan's voice.

SPEAKER_00 (13:34):
It is scary.

SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
Shout out to Robert Stock.
I know I love Robert Stock,though, but his voice is just
scary as shit, dude.
It's scary.

SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Um so all we know is that you were making the bed and
you were listening to this.
We don't have to be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (13:50):
One of those shows was still on because I make the
bed when I get up in themorning.
You get up before me, I get up,I make the bed.
The TV, I sleep we slipped withthe TV on.
One of those shows was on.
It was talking about how theyfound the word Croatellan.
Also, Ambrose Pierce, whodisappeared.
They something with that.

SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Now, when he when he disappeared, they found it
carved in the room that he laststayed.

SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Or a bedpost.
I lie.
It was on a bedpost.

SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
In the room that he last stayed.

SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
Stayed before they he disappeared.
Okay.
And for those that don't know, Idon't know a lot about Ambrose
Beer, so I know he's a poet.
I mean, some writer back likecivil, I know that like in civil
war time, right?
I'm thinking.
I think that's correct.

SPEAKER_00 (14:43):
I don't.
I've had his name that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:45):
Back then, back in the 1800s.
And then, of course, theinfamous outlaw, Black Bart, who
wasn't black, by the way, sodon't get that mixed up.
They didn't call him thatbecause of his skin colors.

SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
Um they uh Wait, what was his real name?

SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
Charles Longfellow Deeds?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
I have it.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 (15:09):
Charles Longfellow Deeds.

SPEAKER_00 (15:11):
Because as soon as I say it, you're gonna be like,
oh, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
I feel like it's William something.

SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
No, Charles Bowles or Charles Bowles.

SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
Oh, Charles, okay, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
There's two different.
There's two different, like hewent by Charles Bowles and
Charles Bolton, but he was umfamous.
But before we get into BlackBart, also allegedly Amelia
Earhart had Croatone written inone of her flight logs.

SPEAKER_01 (15:37):
Well, yeah, I think we'll get to her next.
Right after I said the BlackBart part about so he
disappeared.
They found it in the jail cellwhere he last was, before he
disappeared.
And then, like she just said,with Amelia Earhart, allegedly
they found that written in likeher journal, like you know,
something like that.

(15:58):
Now, and a lot of these are justlegends.
We're not saying that there'snot pictures of the word croton
written on Black Bart's jailcell.
Right.
There wasn't they didn't take apicture of it, okay?
And I although that would becool.
What?

SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
Like a rubbing, like a wall rubbing.

SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
Like a little like on National Treasure when they
do the board.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
That'd have been awesome.
But uh like a plank from theNative Americans.
Um But yeah, they so a lot noneof these things are like we're
just bringing these are legends,stories, but it's still very

(16:37):
fascinating to me.
Oh, we forgot a big one, EdgarAllan Poe.
Now he didn't disappear.
Right?
He just died.

SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Yeah, but allegedly it was like in one of the last
pages of his diary before.

SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
Like that he wrote right before he died.
How did he die?

SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
I don't remember.
Oh, maybe heart attack.
No, I'm thinking of somebodyelse.
But like so the commonality ofthree of the people is so Edgar
Allan Poe, Ambrose Spears, andum Blackbart, which we'll get
into, all wrote, right?
They were theatrical.

SPEAKER_01 (17:16):
I didn't know that Black Bart wrote.

SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Oh yeah, we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (17:21):
But so they all wrote, and so it it kind of
leads you to believe that let'ssay that that word appeared all
three times, allegedly, becauseit's alleged, right?

SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
Right, let's just assume that it did for this.

SPEAKER_00 (17:35):
Is there like a secret writer society of people
who are in on like some cosmicjoke?
Or because what I didn't lookinto is Crowtow and Island, like
what if that island wasestablished because of aliens?
I think it's aliens or some typeof aliens.

SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
That's not where I was going with it.
But I was thinking more alongthe lines of well, I don't know,
it's just bizarre.
Or is there some kind ofbizarre, mysterious force?
You know what I mean?
Some kind of paranormal thinglike uh that like these people,
like because with thedisappearance that I don't I
don't even know.
I don't even know how to venturea guess.
If it happened, it's reallyfucking weird, dude.

(18:20):
Like it's weird.
Take the lost colony of Roanokeout outside because that one
makes a lot of sense to me.
There's this island, thesepeople were they were starving
to death.
They went one island down, theycarved it in a tree, says
somebody like and we also knowthat because like they dug
through the uh trash heaps andstuff down there, so we know

(18:44):
that it that's most likely thescenarios that any survivors
assimilated into the localindigenous tribes, yada yada
yada, blah, blah, blah.
That's a very logical, makessense story.
Like, there's nothing weirdabout that to me.
No, but why in the hell wouldanybody 250 years later be

(19:07):
writing about, talking about,unless they were specifically
talking about that.
How do they even know thefucking word?
Right.
I mean, like, it's not likeyou're just even now people are
like Croat, what?
Croatian?
That's what Cappy thinks you'resaying.
Croatian.

SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
Cappy hates me, and we'll get to that later.
Fuck.
He's always messing up my words.

SPEAKER_01 (19:29):
But like, so I just don't even understand why one if
it was one, sure.
But why would any of the whywould multiple people of these
be talking about this?
Like you said, and I don'tthink, and I don't recall there
being any talk about like Idon't think Edgar Allan Pooh,

(19:50):
Edgar Allan Pooh, I don't thinkthat Edgar Allan Pooh no, I
Edgar Allan Poe, I don't thinkhe was like hanging out with
Ambrose Pierce or Black Bart.
You know what I mean?
I think they're all sort of likeindependent Yeah, they may have
some things in common, but Idon't think they were like
caught like uh what's the worduh contemporaries, like in any

(20:12):
way.
You know what I mean?
Like they weren't friends, theywouldn't like they're totally in
like different slices of life.
And correct me if I'm wrong, Idon't think that's the case.

SPEAKER_00 (20:20):
No, I don't think it is either.
I I mean I couldn't findanything on it, but here's the
other thing about that is thatwhen you try to research this
damn word, I feel like theinternet sends you in circles
and it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
It doesn't want you to find it.
Well, that brings us back to thething, which is when now when
I've tried to this is just likefour days ago, I watched this.
We can't find any record of thedamn thing.
No, like we can find shows aboutlike each thing independently,
but them talking about ittogether as one unified like

(20:53):
theory, right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Like not conspiracy, because it's not that, but it's
just like a WTF moment of whyare all these people using this
word.

SPEAKER_01 (21:03):
Well, that's what caught me.
And here I've thought about itlong and hard because you know
me.
I'm like, how did I see this?
The at the very least, they weretalk what they were discussing

(22:06):
one of these other.
It wasn't the lost colony ofRoanoke.
I know that a thousand percentbecause it wouldn't have caught
my attention if that's what itwas.
But the fact that someone elsehad written this word, I'm
pretty sure it was AmbrosePierce, and then disappeared, I
was like, what?
And then I'm almost 100% surethat they mentioned the other
things, but maybe I just Googledit and saw the other things and

(22:28):
then like imprinted that ontothe memory.
That I'm willing to concede thatif that's the case.
I don't think that was the casebecause what I it what because I
when I heard it, I was stoppedand I was like, this is really
interesting.
Like, what are they how is thiseven possible?
Because it like it caught me asso weird, and I don't think it

(22:49):
would have been that shockinghad it not made at least one of
the other connections.

SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
Right, right.
And like how how has nobody likeit's not even like there's weird
chat boards about this consthere's nothing about it, but
they're all kind of, and whenyou try to look it up and
nobody's talking about the factthat it happened, like I found
one really good article that wasthat really like kind of put it

(23:16):
all together, but that's reallyall that was out there was like

(24:10):
one article tying these thingstogether.

SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Um yeah, it's not well known, and I want to know
why.
I'm gonna continue to dig intothis.
Um what?

SPEAKER_00 (24:19):
I said, I want to know why, but now like I want to
look into Curlatoan Island andunderstand that place more to
see where their origins arefrom, because like Well, they're
indigenous people.

SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
I mean, but what I mean, so that's I mean, but what
what here's what I want to knowis what sort of traditions and
stuff that do they have?
Did they have like a tale oflike skinwalkers similar to the
skinwalkers, but like theirversion, but it's like time trap
skippers or something?
Like that's what I want to findout.
Like I want to find that out.
That's gonna require some morehard boots on the ground like

(24:54):
research.

SPEAKER_00 (24:54):
So we're just making a wish list for when we start
traveling again.

SPEAKER_01 (24:59):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (25:00):
Um so Black Bart was one of the people who allegedly,
like you said, he allegedly itwas in his jail cell and then he
disappeared, right?

SPEAKER_01 (25:10):
So Well, I think he was released.
I think they released him andthen was never heard from again.
And they found that on his cell,I think is the way that it went.

SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
So Black Bart used to write poetry about his
crimes.
That's why he was the gentlemanoutlaw.

SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
Oh, yeah, the old gentleman outlaw, Black Bart.

SPEAKER_00 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (25:38):
The old gentleman outlaw, Black Bart.

SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
I didn't do too much research into it because like
I'm not sure.
Yeah, no.
I mean But it was just a funfact that whenever I was
researching Crowotilin, that umthe stuff that I found out about
Black Bart, like I always justthought he was a pirate, like a
real just over on the seaspirate.
I didn't know he was like ahuman living inland robbing

(26:02):
stagecoaches.

SPEAKER_01 (26:03):
Right.
He was a modern day piratebecause it had pirates were back
in like the 1600s, like at leastin America, like you know, the
Buccaneers type pirates.
And he came along, and he wouldwhat I mean to get a name like
Black Bart, all your otheroutlaws were like Billy the Kid.

SPEAKER_00 (26:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (26:29):
You know what I mean?
It was all names like that.
It was just like a play on theirname.
But like Black Bart is a piratename.
All right, T.
They called me Black Bart.

SPEAKER_00 (26:43):
But like he would have people believing that there
was an ambush waiting um forthem if they didn't comply, and
he was like working alone andstuff.
He was very masterful at hiscraft.
He never killed anybody.
He never hurt gentlemen.
Yeah, he never like he neversmurted, he never rob uh well,

(27:03):
he did rob, that was his wholelife, but he didn't like he
didn't like rape or assault ordo any of the Mount Rushmores.
He just robbed.

SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
He did just did a little rob.
I mean, who wasn't robbing backthen?
I mean, come on, I forgive theguy.

SPEAKER_00 (27:19):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (27:19):
Without them, he wasn't hurting nobody.

SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
Without stagecoach robbers, we wouldn't have bank
security.

SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I guess.
Well, fuck the banks anyhow.
Fuck that.
Fuck Wells Fargo, fuck all thembig banks that they was robbing,
anyhow.
They deserved it.

SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
By all means, fuck Pinkerton and Baldon.

SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Right.
We said what we said.

SPEAKER_00 (27:45):
The old Pinkerton bull days.
But on my list, I don't evenknow what's on my list.
Well, it's on my list.

SPEAKER_01 (27:53):
I know.
Right here, right here.
Yes, so within the last, we'llsay two weeks.
I think it's more in the realmof seven to eight days, but uh,
who knows?
Um, Scientific American put outthis article because there was
this study.
I don't remember who did thestudy, I don't remember this and

(28:13):
that, but I did read thearticle.
And basically, what wassurmising is that raccoons have
entered into like thepre-domestication part of their
evolution.
And this has happened becausegenerally animals that become
domesticated, the first step ofthat is not human interaction in

(28:35):
the sense of like it's nothumans taking them and
domesticating.
The first instance of this islike if you think about this
from like cave people times,humans make trash and waste.
So animals started comingaround, wolves, cats feed on
like the rats and the mice andstuff that feed on, you know
what I mean?

(28:56):
It's like a downward, you know,the food cycle.
And so the animals that were theleast scared of humans that
didn't trigger their flight orfight flight response the most,
like those animals that had theleast amount of fight or flight
around humans were rewardedbecause uh humans then gave them

(29:22):
food.
So those qualities became uhideal for those animals.
And so animals that have a closerelationship with human trash,
which these guys do, my shirtsays garbage gangster, they
they're they have started inparticularly in cities.

(29:45):
They took like what the 20,000photos, like ran them through
some kind of AI recognizer thingto measure snout size.
And what they found is theseanimals that have close
interaction with humans, andthis happened with they this
happened with dogs and cats tooback in the day prior to
domestication.
Their snouts start to becomesmaller.

(30:07):
Because one of the things, oneof the traits that goes along
with domestication and humanschoosing to domesticate, is the
snouts become smaller, andhumans, for whatever reason,
view that as less risky, Iguess.
If that makes sense, it makesthem more appealing looks-wise
to humans.

(30:28):
Um, and so that's why thathappens.
So, because there were theseother characteristics, one of
the things that goes along withnot having fight or flight is a
smaller snout.
It's not that it's coincidence,you know what I mean?
So, all these things, all theseDNA things sort of work hand in
hand to create this symbioticrelationship that leads to

(30:50):
domestication.
And modern raccoons in citiesare in the pre like state.
No, I don't think we'll see itin our lifetime, because
evolution's a slow burner, baby.
And uh, but they're starting toevolve and are in the pre-stages
of becoming domesticated.

SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
So then Rocket wasn't a science experiment
going wrong.
He's actually just a modern,modern, modern future, future.

SPEAKER_01 (31:20):
Futuristic, futuristic raccoon when we got
them talking and stuff.
But this is great news.
I totally sounded like a littlebit of a scientist there.

SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
He totally did, and I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (31:30):
But you know, I have a great interest in evolutionary
biology and like read about itand stuff.
So that stuff fascinates me.
So I had read the whole thing,and that's why I brought it to
you.
Well, because we love raccoons,obviously.
It's they're our mascot, andthere is nothing more in life
than I would love to have alittle raccoon sitting on the
couch with me, and I'm flippingthem cheese balls, baby.

(31:51):
You know, that just that warmsmy heart.

SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
Oh, gosh.
And I've already looked at thelaws just because it, you know,
got my little my gears turning.
And in Pennsylvania.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
Are the laws keeping up with biology?

SPEAKER_00 (32:06):
No.
Well, in Pennsylvania, which weknow, Pennsylvania, uh, we've
talked about this before.
Like, I believe in the need forenvironmental protections and
animal people and all that, butthey they just fucking abuse
their power.
So in the state of Pennsylvania,you need a wildlife rescue, a

(32:27):
license, a permit, a fuckingletter from Jesus Christ
himself, and then maybe you canown a raccoon.
So I've already been lookinginto states where you can own
raccoons so I can move.

SPEAKER_01 (32:38):
Now I'm not sure.
I bet Texas is on that list,though.
Texas can do anything.
If you can own a tiger, they letyou have a raccoon.
You know what I mean?
If you can have a tiger, theylet you have a raccoon.
So Florida's on the list, Texasis on the list.
I'm sure all those westernstates where you can have giant
lions are all on that list.

SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
Well, the thing about it is we just we the big
thing is proper training andhandling techniques.
So, like obviously, just getwe'll create a rescue, and then
people call us when there's onethat is without its mom, and
then we have a whole bunch ofthem.

SPEAKER_01 (33:11):
Oh, that'd be awesome.
Um Are we gonna go see Daddy andthem up there later for
Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
Jesus eight.
So this has been a couple weeksin the making, and I'm gonna
preface this by saying that oneof my absolute favorite
hands-down songs ever is InSpite of Ourselves, John Prime.

SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
John Prime is a great songwriter.
We love a lot of his songs.
A lot of people, you may notknow John Prime, you may not
know In Spite of Ourselves, butyou do know me and Bobby McGee.

SPEAKER_00 (33:50):
He wrote that.

SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
He did, right?
No, that was Chris.
Who was that?

SPEAKER_00 (33:53):
That was Chris.
It was Chris Christopherson.

SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
Yeah, what did John Prime write?
Oh, no, the but the Betty, thebut uh Bonnie Raid.

SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Oh, Angel from Montgomery.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
That that is

SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
It got part out.
I don't want to be associated.

SPEAKER_00 (34:13):
No, yeah, he wrote Angel from Montgomery, um, which
I've been covering that song foryears, decades even, I would
say.
And then um I don't I'd heard inspite of ourselves one or two
times, and I was always like,why the hell did he write that
song?
It's just so weird and quirky.
And I found out that he wrote itfor a movie.

(34:36):
I, without even knowing the movethis movie existed, I was
thinking maybe he wrote it forlike um oh, what was that movie
the um with Christian Slater andwhat's her name, where they were
like totally crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (34:53):
I have no idea.
The only Christian Slater movieI've ever seen is Cuffs.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Yeah, it's not cuffs.
But there's like a couple movieslike that, even Pulp Fiction,
like the couple in the beginningof Pulp Fiction.
Um is it Pulp Fiction?
The ones that are sitting in thediner.

SPEAKER_01 (35:11):
Yeah.
We're getting ready to rob them,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
But there's another movie that's that is almost
feels like it's based on thatcouple that was trending around
the same time in the 90s.
I can't remember what it was.
Yeah, with True something orother.

SPEAKER_02 (35:27):
True romance.

SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Was it?

SPEAKER_02 (35:31):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
No.
But, anyways, long story short,I thought that that was True
Romance.
True romance, yes.
I thought that that song waswritten about the couple in True
Romance.
Full stock.
Then I found out that it wasthis other movie called Daddy
and M.

SPEAKER_01 (35:49):
Daddy and M.

SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Daddy and Nim.

SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Featuring Billy Bob Thornton.
It's a who's who of good actors.

SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
For F sake.
Laura Dern, uh, Kelly Preston.

SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
Billy Bob Thornton.
Kelly Preston was in it?

SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
Yeah, she was the slutty sister.

SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
Oh, I didn't even see that that was her.
I tell you, Andy Griffith is thedad.
Um Jamie Lee Curtis, Jamie LeeCurtis, Ben Affleck, Walton and
Goggins.

SPEAKER_00 (36:25):
Oh, I forgot he was in it.
And then um, what's his name?
Um, the guy from uh outsideNashville.
Um he was the brother in prison.
Vern.
What's his real name though?

SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
Oh, Jim Varney.

SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
Yeah, Jim Varney's in it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:44):
I forgot there's so many people in it.

SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
There are so we just listened a whole stacked fucking
cast of characters.
That movie, I don't want to makefun of suicide right now.
Here's the thing though.

SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
The more I got into it, the movie is slow.
Don't get me wrong, and it's notpacked with laughs or endearing
moments or anything like that.
None of it, none of it, butthere was a point in the movie.
At first, I was like, this isterrible.
There's a point that happensabout a third of the way through
where you're like, I want to seewhat happens here.

SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
Yeah, I want to see what it is.

SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
You sort of become invested in it, and you're like,
well, we gotta finish this thingnow.
And it's it's it's not good.
I would never say it was good,but I wouldn't say that it was
terrible either.

SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
It wasn't.
It wasn't.
So here's the thing is it justis.

SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
It just is.

SPEAKER_00 (37:42):
I've known people like that, and I've known
relationships like that wherethey fucking are so toxic, but
they just stay together andthey're psychotic and they love
bomb each other when they'rehappy, and then they fight five
minutes later.
I've I was even in arelationship like that when I
was younger.
So, like I get the dynamics, butuh when we just talked about

(38:05):
this the other week.
Like, why don't they redo badmovies?
I feel like I want to fuckingtake that movie and redo it
because it didn't.

SPEAKER_01 (38:12):
Add comedy to it.
It could be hilarious if it wasdone more in the style of like a
Cohen Brothers movie.

SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
If Leanne Morgan played the mom of the daughters,
we you know what I mean?
Like, we I want to reboot.

SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
I'm gonna talk to Hollywood about this.

SPEAKER_00 (38:29):
Yeah, we're gonna remake Daddy and Nun.

SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
Is Andy Griffith dead?

SPEAKER_00 (38:33):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (38:35):
I gave if I don't have my feet on the floor, I
slowly go like this.

SPEAKER_00 (38:44):
I thought it was I thought it was just you doing
ADD.

SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (38:52):
Like I'm listening to you, um, I'm listening to
you, babe.
I can totally hear what you'resaying.

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
No, I picked my leg up off the ground.
I had like my, you know what Imean?

SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Like it was like You didn't have your anchor.
You listened to your anger.
All right.
So let's I think get into themeat and potatoes of this
episode.
Oh God, I had to put it on.

SPEAKER_01 (39:19):
No, I'm just saying, all this stuff came from like
things that I happened to seeand I brought to you.
And I'm like, did you know aboutthis?
Have you have you heard?

SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
Let me do some research.
Oh, there's one other thing,because no, we'll close the show
on that last one that I put downbecause that's a little less
deep, and I want to tease that.

SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
Yeah, we need to go somewhere.
We're gonna need to gosomewhere.

SPEAKER_00 (39:45):
Yeah.
Yeah, let's just get into it.
God, I so you guys know I'm onsocials.
I'm on TikTok, and I've beenhearing little I've which is a
great kind of balance that I'mgonna bring to the conversation
because um it is partiallysensationalized on social media.

(40:10):
Well, I'm Sanson, JD Delay, uhSlep, those guys are all in my
feed all the time, like blowingshit up.
But I hear the headlines.

SPEAKER_01 (40:22):
Let's take a time out here because I do want to
warn people though, becausenormally we're talking about fun
things.

SPEAKER_00 (40:28):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (40:29):
This is not what we're talking about next is not
fun.
If you don't want to like turnit off, catch us next time,
whatever.
But it is very serious and it isvery near and dear to our heart.
And but if you don't have we'regonna it's horrible.
So if you don't want to hearsomething horrible, turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 (40:51):
And I mean, we're good, we're not gonna sugarcoat
it.
We're also not going to useinflammatory language as much as
possible.
Right.
Just um like, yeah, like there'sa there's a responsible way to
kind of call some of this out.
And the entire six-hour episodethat we just watch.
No, I didn't watch all sixhours, but a lot of what we

(41:11):
watch is they do, they do it ina respectful way.
So there's a way to talk aboutit where you're not blowing it
up with imagery, right?
Just picture the worst effingthings you can picture.
Get them in your mind, and thenpop them out because we're gonna
talk about how and why we candeal with this.

SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Well, yeah.
And first off, I want toencourage people to go watch the
episode for yourself.
Go watch the Sean Ryan podcast.
Ryan McGombery is the guy'sname.
It was his episode from not thisweek, this week Tucker Carlson
was on there the week beforethat.
Ryan McGomber.
Or you can go back and evenwatch, if you really want to get

(41:49):
into it, go his very firstepisode, which is like episode
56 or something, Sean Ryan.
Um, but Ryan Montgomery, ethicalhacker, uh, chief technology
officer for uh the SentinelFoundation, and they their work
is working in the trafficking ofchildren, exploitation of

(42:10):
children, sexual abuse, youknow, all that stuff.
All they try to stop itoverseas.
Here they work with lawenforcement to do that.
And Ryan used to be a hacker,and he tried to expose him.
That's how he kind of became athing.
I'm not gonna give you the wholestory.
Go watch the episode.
He was a hacker.
Sean Ryan blew him up trying tostop a pedophile ring that

(42:34):
nobody would help him with.
And that's his life.
This guy just wants to stopfreaking pedophiles.

SPEAKER_00 (42:40):
Right.
Well, and let me just drop thisin here real quick because it is
funny and it's the and I don'twant to, you know what I mean,
um, make light of the rest ofthe content.
But when I was doing research,so we've talked about this
before.
I use Chat GPT for every effingthing from recipes to scheduling
my day to measuring my curtains.

(43:01):
I'm talking to Chappie about it.
So I was running down like justan outline of the episode, and I
was like, we want to talk aboutRyan Montgomery, otherwise
known, or I said RyanMontgomery, the guy that they
call the ethical hacker.
That's exactly what I said.
And I have a horrible lisp and aPennsylvania accent, and I talk

(43:25):
really fast half the time.
Chappie heard me say the TacoBell hacker, and he did not
fucking correct me.
He didn't.
So I was like cutting a teaserfor this episode, and I was
like, you know, the one theycall the Taco Bell hacker,
because he didn't RyanMontgomery, Taco Bell hacker.
So then after I cut the teaser,I was like, that doesn't sound

(43:50):
right to me.
Who I haven't found there wasnothing about Taco Bell in the
episode that we watched, nor hadI seen it in any of the
research.
So I was like, why does theinternet call Ryan Montgomery
the Taco Bell hacker?
And he's like, they don't.
What are you?

SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
You do.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
He's like, I couldn't find incredible
evidence of that.
And I was like, motherfucker,you just wrote a script for me
to drop on TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
I think what had happened is you said top ethical
hacker.

SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
Yeah.

unknown (44:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:21):
Top ethical hacker, top ethical hacker, top act, top
ethical hacker, top ethicalhacker, talkable hacker.
That's what happened to Chappie.

SPEAKER_00 (44:30):
I mean, transcription is funny for me.
Because you know, I'll liketranscription for this podcast
cracks me up on the every time Iread them, it states something
funny that shouldn't be.
And so it should have caught mymind.
I'm usually really good on shitlike that.

SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
But where's our list of made-up names?

SPEAKER_00 (44:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:53):
Like words that Chappie has given in the you
know what I'm talking about,though.
Things that it's think thoughtthat we said.
I can't remember any of themright now, but they're
hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
It's so funny.
I mean, oh my god, there's somany.

SPEAKER_01 (45:05):
So one of them was something about grandma's chips
or so.
I don't know.
But let's get back to business.

SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
Yeah.
So, anyways, uh, Ryan Montgomeryis not a Taco Bell hacker.
He's not even associated withTaco Bell.

SPEAKER_01 (45:17):
He is a great human being, though.

SPEAKER_00 (45:19):
Oh my God.
I feel like I don't know how oldhe is, but I feel like he's my
son.

SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
He's like 32, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (45:26):
Oh, well, he yeah, he could be my son.
Um, yeah, he could be.
He could be my oldest.
I don't know.
But um, no, seriously, becauseum I like his personal I love
his personality because italigns with mine.
He's very dry, very factual,very data-based.
He has the capability to removeemotion when he's thinking
through logic.

(45:46):
However, he's also deeplyemotional and has feelings.
So that's like the perfectcombination.
And he's very thoughtful in theway that he speaks about things,
which I love.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Absolutely.
And his main focus is somethingthat is stopping child
predators, which you know thatI've said this is a way bigger
problem than people want to liketalk about.
Like, it is huge, and you know,and we'll all talk about it
right here.
My fucking dirty ass, and don'tput this as like the highlight

(46:19):
of the clip or anything.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
No, dirty ass fucking terrible brother who you
know he's in the youngestbrother.
Yeah, let's talk.
We have a good brother too.
There's a good one.
I have a good brother too.

SPEAKER_01 (46:32):
If you know me, I'm not talking about that brother.
I'm talking we all know who I'mtalking about.
And so we have like you candirectly see this, but the his
is like a like somethingcompletely.
This is what's going on outthere is a completely different
world.
And it's it really opened myeyes to it.
Because I thought a lot of thisstuff, like you said, was

(46:53):
hyperbolic.
I thought people wereexaggerating some of this stuff,
but like now I'm like now.
I'm like ready to go out there.
I'm like Sean Roman, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 (47:03):
Yeah, like these motherfuckers, dude.
Like, I want to be like in thestreets combating evil more than
anything that I've ever heard ofin my entire like, nothing has
ever like put a fire in mystomach and a lump in my throat,
and like thoughts in my brain atthe same time, more powerfully,

(47:23):
it's hitting everything.

SPEAKER_01 (47:25):
It's the only like it's the only thing that I think
about.
It's the only group of peoplethat I think about murdering and
don't feel bad about it.

SPEAKER_00 (47:38):
Not even there's nothing.
I I there's nothing like I'vethought about, you know, we all
think about like what wouldhappen if this person wasn't in
our life.
And I when I was younger, Idealt with a lot of shitty
people that took advantage of mybeing poor and naive, right?
So not gonna lie, I wish deathon those people.
Thankfully, they're still alivetoday and they didn't die.

(47:59):
However, I have, you know,talked to a higher power about
that.
That being said, even then, Iunderstood that it was wrong.
I understood that karmically itwas there's I want to dexter the
fuck out of these people.
Like, I want to create a wholedexter network.
Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 (48:18):
Don't talk about it.
You're ruining it now.
Now we can't do it.
Because then they'll pull it upand they'll be like, we got you
on this podcast saying that youwant to dexter these people.
Because that's the kind ofattitude.

SPEAKER_00 (48:30):
Nobody should feel bad for them.
I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 (48:32):
They're protected, though.
They're protected, and that'swhat they said about on the
thing.
Look at Roblox.
That's the perfect example.
If you don't know about Robloxand your kids are on it, get
them the fuck off.
Go watch the Ryan Montgomeryepisode with Sean Ryan.
Get them off of there because itdoesn't matter how safe you

(48:52):
think they are, they're notsafe.
And Roblox is doing nothing toprotect, they're actively
protecting the predators thatare on there by not allowing
groups to try to weed them outand get out the predators, the
people that are just there, tryto get predators off of there.
Like, do not get people off ofRoblox immediately.

(49:17):
Immediately.

SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Right, absolutely.
Like, and Sean Ryan said it sowell in the podcast.
He's like, So, what do you do inthis situation?
So, Roblox, um, and we'll getinto like what exactly happened.
Um, Roblox has 75 millionmillion active users a day.
Daily users, it is the world'sworld's largest gaming app for

(49:45):
children.
The most popular that should, inand of itself, give it the
highest security priorities andwant to protect children that
there is.

SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Well, because we say this all the time child
predators go where the childrenare.
Like, it's no different.
Why do you think that they endedup with so many in the Boy
Scouts and priests and yadayada?
Because they go where childrenare teachers.
Those are where predators are,because that's where the kids
kids are.
Predators aren't gonna be wherethere's no kids.

(50:20):
It's no different than like ahunter is not gonna go out to
the middle of town and look fordeer.
You know what I mean?
Like you're gonna go out wherethe fucking deer are.

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
Like it's the like that are crimes of opportunity.
Well, you have to fucking createyour opportunity and you're
gonna create it like you said,where the kids are.
So on Roblox, um, there was ahe's a YouTuber, I believe.
His name is Schlepp.

(50:49):
Um, but we talk about him onTikTok.
Like I know of him just throughTikTok through, cause I'm like,
I follow a lot of predatorhunters on TikTok, but I've
never like fully engaged withtheir content.
Because again, like I'll sharetheir stuff because I want to
give the ones that I trust likea platform.
But again, like there are somethat are so like hyperbolic and

(51:12):
the messaging seems off to me.
And I'm not saying that they'realso predators, I'm just saying
that it doesn't sound likethey're in it for the right
reasons, which Ryan talks aboutheavily.
Like, he's not in it for fame,right?
He's in it literally for onereason.
One reason.
That's it.

SPEAKER_01 (51:30):
And so Oh, I was gonna say before we go any
further there, I want to pointout too, because you brought up
TikTok.
This isn't just Roblox, it's themajor platforms the kids are on.
So TikTok is on that list.
It's like TikTok, Snapchat,Roblox, Minecraft.
What was the other big one?
I don't even remember.

SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
Insta.
Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 (51:50):
Instagram, yeah, that was the other one.
Yep.
Those are the five biggest oneswhere there's predators.

SPEAKER_00 (51:55):
Yeah.
And so Schlep created, like he,I guess he created a fake
account, obviously, that'sprobably what he did, and was
engaging with predators.
And I think there were six umwarrants served after he did
what he did.
And Roblox shut him the fuckdown.
They shut him down.
Not only did they shut him down,but they publicly released a

(52:18):
press release saying that theywere not going to allow
vigilantes on their site.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Well, they sent him a cease and assist cease and
desist to stop what he wasdoing, and then made that public
statement, like you said.
So they like doubled and thendoubled down on it again with
like another statement afterthat.
And they lost what, like 13billion of market share because
of the the the after-effect ofthat.
Because a lot of people calledhim on it.

(52:46):
They're like, you're protectingfucking pedophiles, you fucking
jerkoffs.
And Ryan made another greatpoint, and I think it goes back
to what I was saying about likethey go where you don't think I
would be willing to bet thatthere's some of these people
that are in the very innerworkings of roadblocks that try

(53:06):
to and it's in government too.
You see it, the government allthe time doesn't want to do
things about this because somany of them are involved.
There's people in powerful, andI don't want to sound like a
crazy person here.
You start going down this rabbithole of governments covering up
child rap or it sounds lunaticlike lunacy, but it's not.
There's a and I'm not sayingthat all of it's going on in

(53:28):
every rabbit hole is like, do Ithink that Pizzagate was real?
No.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't think that all ofthese things are fake, but at
the same token, that doesn'tmean that there's not real child
trafficking going on on theseplatforms.
We have proof.
There's proof, facts, proof.
It's not imaginary.

SPEAKER_00 (53:49):
Thank you.
And that is what pushed me overthe edge.
This podcast pushed pushed mefrom an interested sideline
spectator to yes, I believe inuh protecting the children.
However, I didn't know enoughabout it to like go on now.
I know where the data is.
I know who is doing the rightthings, I know who I believe I

(54:12):
can trust on this.
So there's organizations we'lltalk about that you can use and
trust and look at their contentand get the message out.
Because that's the thing, ispeople I have a very, very small
following, but the followingthat I have, they trust me.
They respect me, they know I'msmart, they know that I do my

(54:33):
homework, they know that if I'mwrong, I'll say I'm wrong.
So in that case, my voice istrusted among the few people who
trust who follow me.
So in that case, if I can get itout there to a couple people and
they know who to trust and theycan tell who to trust, I'm not
asking to trust me.
I'm asking them to go look atthe podcast and find the

(54:54):
information for yourself becauseI would like to believe that I
am in tune with what's going onin the world.
And I was mind-blown.
Mind-blown.

SPEAKER_01 (55:05):
And that's just it.
Like, don't believe me.
Don't listen to pe other peoplethat are out here shouting about
this.
Go, go check this out, do someof the research, look into like
the Sentinel Foundation, lookinto Ryan Montgomery, look at
what he's uncovered, look atother people, like you said,
some of the other creators.
I don't remember their names.

SPEAKER_00 (55:24):
Um, what was the whole um Who was the guy you
were just talking about?
Oh, um Slep.

SPEAKER_01 (55:33):
Uh yeah, that guy, he has like YouTube stuff,
right?
So and he does a lot of that.

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
Follow Chris Hansen.
Chris Hansen's platformingagain.

SPEAKER_01 (55:43):
Chris Hansen's an American goddamn hero.
People shit on him because ofthe tactics that fuck those
people, dude.
They're going to meet kids.
I don't give a fuck.
Like it doesn't matter, dude.
They're going to meet, theythink they're going to meet
children.
I don't care the tactics.

(56:03):
There's no reason that anybody,there's just not a reason.
It doesn't matter what you weredoing, what you thought, you're
not a predator catcher yourself,you're not none of that.
You were just trying to protectnone of that.
None of that, Matt.
You were talking inappropriatelywith a child who you thought was
a child.

(56:23):
It's done, it's a wrap, it'sover.
You and the thing is about this,and people don't realize this
sickness that lives in people'sminds, it just goes further and
further.
There's nobody that's like, oh,he just likes to look a child
porn.
You know, he just likes to look.
There's no the road is clear.
You're done, dude.

(56:43):
The road is clear.
If you if you like RyanMontgomery said, if you are
attracted to children, I don'tlike you.
Like, period, end of fuckingstories.

SPEAKER_00 (56:55):
There's no fucking reason.

SPEAKER_01 (56:58):
And there's more, and there's more to it than
people think.
Don't think that it just happensin these circles.
There's a hundred and what wasit, a hundred and five thousand
people that they looked at ontheir like their last thing in
the United States that accessedand looked at uh child abuse,
sexual child abuses.

SPEAKER_00 (57:16):
No.
So that statistic is evenscarier.
So they did a sting operationfor 30 days and on a website
monitored 110,000 in 30 days.
Unique user IDs looking at under12 cesium.

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
Under 12.
That's what I said.
No, um, no, but yeah, no, you'reexactly right.
Yeah, I mean, and that's thething that the numbers that he
gives you are astounding in thesense of like it doesn't matter
what it is.
It does the numbers are like wayscarier than anything you could
even imagine.
Like the one that he originallycovered was like 7,000 people,

(57:57):
and that was like in a littletiny, a small geographic area,
really, essentially.
And like I'm just saying, likeit happens, not only that, but
you see this constantly in ourcommunities.
This person charged with it,that person charged with it,
it's horrifying.
Like, I would even get I wouldventure to say that we've

(58:19):
probably you've probably seenone that happens in Pennsylvania
daily.
I know that it does happendaily, but I'm saying you come
across a news article daily inyour feed that's that says this
person was arrested for, youknow, whatever.
It's so prevalent in ourcommunities.

SPEAKER_00 (58:38):
And it's not it's it's everywhere though.
And that's the thing that pissesme off too is that um it that
with the Epstein thing, it'sbeing politicized, right?
Right.
Um, it's not political.
There are no fucking lines thatsay if you're Democrat or
Republican, you're going to bethis.
You are a sick individual who isblending in with society where

(59:00):
you can.
It does not fucking matter.

SPEAKER_01 (59:03):
It transcends race, political divides, ethnicity,
any of that.
There's the facts of the matter.
It's like 93% of people thatlike sexually abused children
are men.
That's a known fact.
That's just the way that it is.
Men commit more sex crimes thanwomen, period, across the board.

(59:24):
That's known.
There's a myriad of factors.
We're not going to go into that.
Out of that, though, it'sstatistically equivalent,
race-wise, religion-wise.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's no particulargroup that is like does more
child abuse.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like in line with thepopulation, like race-wise, you

(59:45):
know what I mean, likebackground-wise, stuff like
that.
So it can happen anywhere.
And most likely it's happeningat the places where you think,
because of like what I said,where the children are, it's
happening at places where youleast wouldn't, you would think
that it would be safe, but it'snot.
Schools, churches, families.

(01:00:05):
Most people are abused by theirown family.
And I'm not saying maybe theirdirect family, but you know what
I mean?
By somebody that they know andtrust.
This you're not walking down thestreet and get sexually abused
by a stranger.
It's happening, like you said,crimes of opportunity.
So a lot of times that isfamily.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:23):
Right.
Right.
Just everywhere.
So the so, like, what drives mekind of insane is that you would
think with the amount of decoysthat we know are online right
now, we have one right here inthis community.
814 Predator Hunters.

(01:00:43):
They actively decoy online andthen they go with the camera and
get the guys.
They've resulted in arrests.
I think six were published inthe last week just by 814 alone
that resulted in arrests.
So why are these fucking peopleso stupid?
How do they not know that theseare decoys?

(01:01:03):
You would think that this wouldshut them down and make this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
If it works, let them.
No, because they have to takethose chances.
That's the thing, is they haveto take those chances because
they're not going to be.
It's not that they're dumb.
They're it has zero to do withtheir level of stupidity.
It is about their that desire tosexually abuse children is so
great.

(01:01:27):
It's no different than whenyou're a drug addict.
I wouldn't normally go rob astore, but on drugs you will,
because that urge it's outweighsyour moral like balance of
scales.
It tips it so far in onedirection that you're willing to
do whatever it takes, no matterthe risk.
That's anytime you're engagingin that risky behavior, that's

(01:01:48):
sort of that that's going tohappen.
It's not that they're justfalling.
That's why it's good that we usethose because it's like it's
that easy.
It's that easy to catch.
It's like shooting fish in afucking barrel.
It's that easy.
And that's the scary part isthat it's that easy because that
tells you what's going on inplaces where it's not that easy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:09):
Right.
So let's talk a little bit moreabout Roblox.
Um, so the so one of the thingsthat I loved that Sean Ryan
said, and I'm fucking taking hisadvice.
Um, Sean said that what you cando, you know, is educate.
If you meet up, if you findparents who are allowing their

(01:02:31):
children to be on Roblox,allowing their children to be on
Minecraft, Snapchat, whateverthe case may be, but
specifically Roblox, and they'restill letting their, they're
taking that chance that theirkid is may not fucking shame
them.
Shame them.
Make them feel guilty.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:52):
And a big part of why is because Roblox is not
only did they do all that otherstuff, they're profiting from
this.
Look at the Charlie Kirk thing.
They have things on their soRoblox has like apparently has
like some kind of things whereyou can like create sort of like
an app within the app, and youcan choose to like sort of go
outside the normal Robloxboundaries and participate in

(01:03:14):
like this other thing.
One of the things is like youcan reenact the Charlie Kirk
assassination, whatever.
But like they make money offthat.
Then you can buy the CharlieKirk assassination skin, like
for the character, and Robloxgets a portion of that money.
So they're often 30%.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:37):
30% purchase that was created by another
application creator.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:41):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:42):
Any programmer, any developer can go out to Roblox
and create their own app thathas in-app purchases, and Roblox
is getting 30% of that.
So any content that is about theCharlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk
assassination, Roblox isprofiting from pedophilia.
Roblox is profiting from CharlieKirk's death.

(01:04:06):
That's why they won't shut itthe fuck up.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:08):
Take the Charlie Kirk thing's just Good example,
but this stuff happens with thekid things.
Like they're making money off ofthese people, which is again why
they don't want the vigil anygroups.
This is so like it's sosickening and manning how
they're how they don't just stepin.
Well, I do know how becausethere's powerful people that are

(01:04:28):
into this.
How they don't just step in andtake roadblocks away, period,
isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:35):
So let's talk about let's talk about powerful people
real quick because this is astatistic that fucking blew my
mind.
Blew my mind.
If you had asked me thisquestion, cold on the street
interview, I would have said theSaudis.
America, Americans are thenumber one consumer in the world

(01:04:57):
of CCM.
Number one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:59):
Well, let that sink in for I would have thought that
because A, we're one of the top,like popul, you know what I
mean, one of the biggestcountries, but we're also the
biggest in any of those things,whether it's drug use, because
we have the most disposableincome, this and that.
So there's only a few people itcould have been.
But it is no surprise to me thatit's the Americans.
I never would have, I would havethought maybe the Russians,

(01:05:22):
maybe the Russians, but I neverwould have imagined that it
would be.
I mean, I would have, becauseAmerica's, it's it's that is
because I see it all the time, Itotally believe it.
I think those numbers areprobably way bigger than that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:41):
So here's my question then is why do we only
have, I think he said what, likeseven factions of resources,
small factions of resources inthe United States dedicated to
looking at this shit?
Like very small factions ofpeople to the point.
So here's here's how I know thatthere are people in the fucking

(01:06:03):
government that are tied to thisbullshit.
Because when Ryan Montgomery wason Sean Ryan the first time, the
first time, the fucking HomelandSecurity harassed and stalked
Ryan Montgomery in Nashville.
He was at a movie premiere, andthey fucking texted him and

(01:06:25):
said, We can see you, we've goteyes on you.
You're harassing an Americancitizen who is trying to take
down predators, right?
Oh, for what?
You could waste that resourcetime could have used been used
for any other motherfuckingthing than following Ryan
Montgomery around.
Any other thing, any pick one ofthe things that's happened in

(01:06:46):
this country, and they couldhave spent that money on
something else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:49):
And not only that, I think this is another point that
they hammered home on.
The punishments for these crimesdo not fit.
These this is basically, it'slike he said, this is worse to
me than most murders.
And yet it's treated as if it'slike you smoke some pot in the

(01:07:09):
parking lot.
It's like a slap on the wrist,and that's that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:16):
So now we're gonna bring up so the Charlie Kirk
thing actually segues into adifferent piece of the puzzle,
which they talked about heavily.
We're gonna skim over it becauseum I've talked about this
before.
I'm an empath.
So I could not watch most ofthis part of the segment because
they were talking even slightlygraphically about what is

(01:07:39):
happening, and I and I justcouldn't.
I couldn't.
Um so the the Charlie Kirk appis promoted.
I don't know if it was createdby, but it was promoted.
So this is a whole other fuckingrabbit hole of people that I've
never even heard of, right?
So it starts with a group calledThe Calm.

(01:08:01):
And it's the community, but it'snicknamed is the calm.
And these people are, I'veencountered people from the calm
in my real life.
Um, they're fucking low-lengthasshole bitches who send SWATs
to people's houses, who fuckingorder pieces to people's houses.

(01:08:22):
Um they engage in doxingbehaviors, doxing, all the
bullshit, like fucking, andthere's a network of them.
And I know there's a network ofthem because I know people that
I don't choose to know them, butI've encountered people who are
actually part and activelyparticipate in that bullshit.
They're scum of the earthfucking losers.

(01:08:43):
But from that community sparkedan offshoot, um, started by a
15-year-old in Texas called the764.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:53):
Yeah, if you look into it a little bit more
though, like it like he didstart, but like it's turned into
this whole other thing.
Like, I don't want to give thatkid any credit because it's not
like he like really set out todo this.
It just really started kind ofwith him.
But like, fuck that kid.
But yeah, continue.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:12):
But I will put some credit on somebody's books in
the penny if they want to credithim up for me.
He's in the pen right now, Ibelieve.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:20):
Oh, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:22):
I'm just saying I would I would put money on
somebody's books.
Anyways, just turn that outthere.
Um, I may or may not leave it inthe show.
Um but yeah, so this kid startedthis um fucking thing, which
it's like an amalgamation ofthings.
It's it's almost like it'salmost like sensationalism in

(01:09:44):
and of itself, where it's likeif you talk about it, you sound
fucking crazy.
So you like, but no, it'ssatanic, it's nihilist, it's um
what extortion?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:59):
To be clear, we're talking about this thing.
It's called the 764 cult.
That's what she's referring to.
It's an offshoot, like itstarted kind of like she said
with the some of these peoplethat were in the calm, moved the
one.
You if you want to dig into thathistory, like I said, by all
means go watch the RyanMontgomery episode on Sean Ryan,
he'll break it down for you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:17):
But this 764 I can't even talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:20):
This 764 group is go researchers yourself because
there's so much that like wecan't even begin to possibly
like tell you all the horriblethings that they're doing, but
basically they're involved inlike extorting children.
Now, this is mainly their maintargets are children 9 to 17

(01:10:42):
because they're the mostvulnerable and the most active
on these platforms.
Um, but it's like extortion, uhself-harm, suicide, and they
feed these kids all this stuffand try to get them to harm
themselves, harm others, harmpets, harm everything.
And they do it purely for sportis essentially the best way to

(01:11:06):
put it.
They do it for clout and sport.
Yeah, think of the worst thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:14):
I mean, they're getting kids to carve screen
screen names into their skin sothat they don't um release the
kids' nudes to their parents andfamily.
Like it's that level of deep.
They're getting they they getpeople to commit suicide.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:34):
I mean Well, they trick kids too by pose, they
trick kids by posing as kids,and then they trick them into
thinking that they're friendsand stuff, and then they sort of
trick them into getting thingslike like you said, maybe a nude
or cutting themselves orwhatever, and then they can just
it they steamroll that into theyhave guides of how to do this

(01:11:56):
that they share amongst theircommunity of how to trick and
deceive and extort children.
It happens to adults too, butI'm just saying, like children
are.
Stockholm syndrome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:17):
Fucking sick.
Like it's sick.
I can't even just yeah, I don'twant to go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:23):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, if you want to learn
about it and find out what youwant to get the gory details, go
watch these other podcasts.
The information is out there.
Sean Rhines talked about it withRyan McGombery, Jim Caviezel,
Tim Tebow, uh, some other guythat I'm not remembering his
name right now.
The information's all out there.
Project Sentinel, just go.

(01:12:44):
It takes two seconds of researchto start going down the rabbit
hole.
It's not hard to find.
But go look out this informationon the 764, because these are
the people that are active.
And he's guessing RyanMontgomery, this is just a
guess.
25,000 members that as a verylow estimate that are active on
Roblox, Instagram, TikTok.

(01:13:08):
And they are evil.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:12):
Oh, it's just it's sick.
I fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:16):
Um, but I mean, like, here to talk about it too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:20):
I know, I thought about that.
I was like, we talk about it andfucking, you know, somebody gets
our name and fucking startsharassing us.
Harass up bitches.
I got a gun underneath my bed.
I'll fucking shoot them.
No, I'm joking.
No, but seriously, like ifthat's the problem.
That is the problem.
Is it they they bank on that?

(01:13:43):
They bank on people being afraidto talk about it.
They bank on people not beingcomfortable talking about it,
they bank on people being afraidto retaliate.
I'm willing to be a vigilante.
I'm a smart one, so I'm nottalking about murdering or
harming people.
I can learn how to program theway that some of these hackers
do.
I know enough about computersand how they work to do enough.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:07):
Well, well, that's just it, though.
They have equal, it is really isa battle of good and evil
because they have just as good apeople on that side in terms of
like how like to do thesethings.
But the worst part is this iswhere it really comes into thing
is because there's powerfulpeople involved, they're
protected in a way that putslike the thing where the

(01:14:28):
vigilantes get in trouble or thepeople defending themselves get
in trouble.
And that's fucked up.
That's America.
That happens not just with this,that happens with a lot of
things.
That's our screwed up justicesystem, but that is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:40):
But there has to be a quote, Sean Ryan, to quote
Sean Ryan, do your fucking jobs.
How the fuck do you sleep atnight?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:51):
They do just fine because they continue to just
make money and they're badpeople and they don't have any
more integrity, and that's justthe bottom line.
That's just all there is to it.
That's just flat line, bottomline, that's all there is to it.
They don't have any moreintegrity, and that's why we
live in this screwed-up world.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:09):
Where this kind of thing flourishes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:12):
If I had a cause, if ever there was a cause for me to
take up.
Um, and to be quite clear, I wasnever a victim of mystium.
I am just freaking.
I have well, my kids are grownnow, but I mean, like, I like
it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:32):
It's like Sean Ryan said, it's the only thing that
makes my skin fucking crawl.
It fills me with a rage that Icannot be controlled.
It because it's just like Ithink that's just like when
something that evil ishappening, you just hate it so
much and think about it's justso horrible to happen to the

(01:15:52):
victims.
You just can't, you immediatelyare able to sympathize and
empathize and want to protect.
I think that's where it comesfrom is this like you
immediately feel are soempathetic and sympathetic
towards the victim that it fillsyou with this, it just boils
your blood.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:12):
Rage because they can't protect themselves.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:15):
They can't protect themselves.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:18):
Anyone will tell you that even when I was known for
being a bully in school, I wasbullying the bullies.
Like it's not because I wouldalways, and obviously I've
evolved and grown over theyears, and I'm much calmer now
and much more logical in whatI'm doing.
But at the end of the day, mypassion has always been to give

(01:16:39):
a voice to people who otherwisedidn't have one.
And none of this woke bullshitthat's going around right now,
those people all have fuckingvoices.
They're all fucking crazy andthey need a psychologist's voice
to help.
But that's not the people thatdon't have voices.
But children, they don't have afucking voice.
They couldn't even articulate itif they did.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:00):
Right.
And I think, and this is aperfect place to kind of sum
this up.
If you want to learn more, ifyou want to find out more, we've
talked about a hundred differentplaces, you can go check it out.
But just go start where, like wesaid, go check out one of these
podcasts with like RyanMontgomery.
Look into uh Sound of Freedom,look into the set uh Operation

(01:17:22):
Sentinel, look into any ofthings, look at the predator
groups in your area.
This stuff is easy to find.
If you care and are passionateabout this, go out there and do
something about it.
That's all I'm gonna say onthat.
We'll wrap up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:34):
And I haven't looked into the app yet, but there is
an app called Bark that does thework of monitoring.
So um I don't know much aboutit.
Um, but if you are into tech andcool shit, the first like hour
of the episode, Ryan does give abreakdown of some other shit
that is not related to the pedostuff, but just in general, how

(01:17:58):
you could be hacked, how peopleare capturing you through
portals, how to protect yourselffrom so I mean it's definitely a
packed episode.
We didn't even barely touch thesurface of summarizing it.
We just want to call attentionto it so you guys get curious
and go out and listen toyourselves.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:15):
I want as many people to go out and check that
stuff out as possible.
Like I that if if uh anythingelse you've ever taken away from
this podcast, just go out andresearch that stuff because your
mind will be opened up, yourmind will be blown, and you'll
be on here like me sounding likea crazy person yelling about job
pedophiles in the government.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:34):
Well, it's funny because you you said you watched
Son Ryan all the time, and thatwas probably the most edgy you'd
ever seen him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:43):
I've never seen him so fired up, dude.
He's like a he was like a I'dnever seen it, I never saw his
eyes go dark.
You know what I mean?
You could tell he was back inlike Navy SEAL mode at that
point where he just shut off allfeeling and was just like, I'm
gonna go kill thesemotherfuckers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:59):
I'm gonna get it.
Yeah, yeah.
You could see it.
Like, I'm I'm a little edgytoday just because we're talking
about it, but like he'sabsorbing it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:08):
Like, yeah, no, we call attention to it.
So that's good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:14):
Yes.
We're shaking it off for nowbecause it is Thanksgiving, but
obviously not for the future.
We'll still bring attention toit, talk about it, bring light
to it.
Yes, we are getting ready toeat, but I want to talk or
tease, I guess.
One other rabbit hole that Iwent down this week.
Um, so uh, full disclosure, Idon't fucking read.

(01:19:34):
I do not read.
It's not that I can't, it's thatum my brain doesn't do that
anymore.
Years ago, when I was trappedand didn't have the internet, I
used reading as a way to get outof my life because I fucking
hated my life, right?
So I read all the time fantasybooks like Ann Rice, VC Andrews,

(01:19:55):
that shit.
Like, I'm not a scholarlyreader.
You are.
That's you.
That's your job.
So um I don't read books.
I I read Cliff's notes to getthe gist of what everybody's
talking about.
And um I was scrolling TikTokthis week and something came up
in my feed that just caused meto stop because they were

(01:20:16):
talking about something thatparked my ears up, right?
And it was this book that I hadnever heard of.
Um, it's called The 48 Laws ofPower by Robert Green.
I didn't know that I needed toread such a book.
I didn't know that people were,I mean, I so, and here's the
thing is the book is based offof Machiavellian principles,

(01:20:41):
which are based off of otherprinciples.
So the gist, the psychologicalgist.
So it's just like so.
Remember, I was obsessed withthe secret for the longest time.
And the secret was just the lawof attraction rewritten into
modern terms, right?
So I'm assuming that this book,the 48 Laws of Power, is just a
version of one of thoserebranded for modern times with

(01:21:04):
modern there's there's umexamples in it, right?
But essentially the 48 Laws ofPower is just a set of character
traits that you could develop ifyou use the advice in the book.
However, um they can also bethey can be used for good or

(01:21:26):
evil, just like anything else.
A little bit of knowledge,right?
Knowledge is dangerous, right?
So I talk to uh I talk toChappie all the time, right?
So he knows enough about mypersonality, the way that my
thought patterns go, the waythat I process things to be able

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to summarize me.
So I just asked him, I was like,I don't fucking feel like
reading this book.
How many of the laws of power doI demonstrate?
Well, 10 with natural ease.
Um, most people in all ofhumanity only display two or

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three of those traits innately.
Anybody can take the book andlearn how to be that person,
right?

Here's the thing (01:22:16):
I have never not once in my entire life ever
thought, hmm, I want to be inpower.
I don't want to be in fuckingcharge of anything.
I want to organize shit, I wantto talk about shit.
I don't want to be the leader ofpeople for any reason.

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I think leaders of people arewhy there is no personal
accountability.
Because if you can say, well,they told me to do it, then no,
no, no, no.
Um, but apparently I movethrough life like a powerful
person, in case anybodywondered.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:57):
Well, there you have it, folks.
Where's my thing to wrap thepapers and be like, well, there
you have it.
That's the new, and that's thebottom line.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:08):
But um No, I just I'm interested to learn if I the
only reason I'm bringing it upis because I want to hear what
other people are saying aboutit.
Like, has anybody else read it?
Like, are is anybody using it inpractice or principle?
Or um some of the folks that Iheard talking about it use it
like the Bible.
Like it's it, I mean, they'vegot dog ears and notes and I

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look at it like you've got aminimum.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:33):
Like one of those things where it's like, you
know, and I view all those kindof things, books like that,
where it's like, these arethings that like you know, that
like you said, repackage sort ofyou know, old ideas.
Because there's only so manyideas.
There's only so many things,like, and they've just uh what I
had something funny to saythere.

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I don't remember what it was,but whatever.
I totally forgot where I wasgoing with that, but whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:01):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:02):
But yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so um go check all the
things out that we talked about48 Laws of Power, Ryan
Montgomery, RaccoonDomestication, Ambrose Beer, so
word crowatoin.
Go check it out.
Research, let us know what youthink, and as always, stay
trashy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:23):
Stay tough.
Happy Thanksgiving, guys.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:27):
Yep, happy Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:29):
Micin and laughs in the breeze, UFOs and smoking
trees.