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We commemorate the 15th anniversary of Anthony Ray Barlup II's passing by exploring the supernatural connections that followed his death.

• Anthony was a wild, adventurous teenager who loved ghost hunting with his family
• The complicated family dynamics that shaped Anthony's childhood and teenage years
• How taking mushrooms helped Alanna and Scott process their grief after Anthony's death
• The paranormal encounter at Miller's Church where they felt Anthony's presence in the backseat
• The extraordinary coincidence of a psychic medium named Anthony sensing Anthony's spirit
• The significance of emotional turmoil in making the veil between worlds thinner
• How Anthony's friends continue to honor his memory 15 years after his passing

If you've experienced the loss of a loved one, know that connections can persist beyond death, and healing comes in unexpected ways. Join us for upcoming comedy shows and paranormal investigations - check our website for details.

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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, we ride and drive, track, talk, cake talk
and go.
Scott and the Atlanta on themic, stories unfold.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Do I look like I'm squinting?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
No, not to me squinky-talk man.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Squinty-talk man.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Do you love it?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, no, I love that skonky talk.
One time my lip almost when Iwas in school.
One time I thought I wasturning into elvis and I was
getting that thing becauseuncontrollably in school one
time my lip went I was justsitting there and it did that

(02:03):
and I was like uh-oh.
So, like your lip, I got thesugar and then your eyebrows
started doing the rock.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
You were like all over the place.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I can't do that today .
See, it's gone.
It was because you had aheadache that day.
It was something about theheadache you had a nerve
disorder.
See, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It was because you had a headache that day.
It was something about theheadache you had a nerve
disorder, I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
That's how it was uncontrollable.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Now you just look like Popeye.
I can't do it.
Oh my God, why do you just?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
look like Popeye.
I can't do it.
Oh my God yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I was just reading my book by L Ron Murphy,
Goblin-tology.
L Ron Murphy, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
L Ron Murphy.
I love that.
That's way better.
If I was him man, I'd skip.
I'd just flip that around rightthere.
Hi, nice to meet you, l.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Ron Murphy.
So, corny, what are we talkingabout this week?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I have no idea.
There was something I was justgetting ready to ask you.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I will start off by saying that this is
another fine T-shirt byCryptology.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I've already watched it.
Cryptology, cryptology orsomething like that Cryptology,
cryptology, there we go.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I say it wrong every time, but I've watched this one
like five, six times already andit's still great.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I love it.
Yeah, no, that's a great shirt.
I love it.
Skunk-a-tonk man, I can't stopit.
It makes me want to watchwrestling.
I saw the.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Honky Tonk man live once I don't remember that one
In Hagerstown Speedway.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Honky Tonk man live once.
I don't remember that one InHagerstown Speedway, honky Tonk
man.
Actually, I saw Honky Tonk manlive more than once.
I saw him at Saturday NightMain Event down in I don't know
like Capital Center it used tobe.
Now it's like whatever it isthe Arena in DC.

(04:21):
And then I saw Pap.
It was one of my greatestchildhood memories.
Pap, dad and me went on a bustrip down there.
Like there was very few thingsthat I ever went outside like
that I did with Pap like out inthe world other than like
grocery shopping or something.
But it was that I did with paplike out in the world other than
like grocery shopping orsomething.
But um, it was uh.

(04:41):
So what I remember most aboutthat day, I mean, of course,
other than the event well, firstoff, I had popcorn.
I did remember that.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Um, you know but did it have butter?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I'm sure it probably did.
I don't remember, but it wasn'ta gripe that I had at the time,
so, but what I remember most isprior to.
So this is an.
The event happens at like eighto'clock at night.
So the bus trip, I'm just goingto say, left at six in the
evening, five in the evening, Idon't know somewhere in that
neighborhood, and it was likethe middle of the afternoon,

(05:20):
like two o'clock, and dad waslike you need to take a nap.
I mean I was a little, probablyfive, and dad was like you need
to take them, maybe evenyounger, I don't know.
Um, you need to take a napbecause we're going to be.
You know what I mean.
We got a long night, you needto take a nap, and I remember
we're going to be.
You know what I mean.
We got a long night, you needto take a nap.
And I remember and I wasn'ttired, obviously.
So I remember trying to fakethat I was sleeping, I put my

(05:44):
hand up on the couch and I wouldlet it slowly fall down, so
that I was trying to trick Dadinto thinking that I was
actually sleeping.
Do you think he was tricked?
No, I don't think he wasstraight.
If I remember, I got in troublefor not taking a nap and trying
to stay up.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's right.
So what did we do this pastweek or two?
I mean, we've just been drivingaround a lot more.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
We've been all over the place.
We've had all kinds of thingsgoing on between comedy, family
events, just exploration.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Explorination.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Explorination, just doing a little of that.
Yeah, we've been busy, thoughVery busy.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean I didn't think that I had all that free
time on my hands but I couldstill cram more in.
If you ask me, I'm alwayslooking to cram more in.
But yeah, I mean we've beeneverywhere but I didn't—like.
We're going to be doing a lotof really cool things coming up.
We've been putting some reach Ican't talk today research

(07:02):
together in the background for,like, Becky's Graves, Miller's
Church.
So those things are coming up.
We're going to be going down toPoint Pleasant, West Virginia,
in September for the MothmanFestival.
Can't wait.
That's the Mothman Festival,Can't wait.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
That's the Mothman gang sign.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
The gang sign okay.
The.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Mothman gang sign.
You see somebody a fellowmother.
You're wiggling your fingerstoo much.
You need more of a wingmovement.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh see, you've been practicing that movement for a
long time because you trackAmerican eagles or bald eagles,
I don't know what the ones, whatare the ones in our area?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Bald eagles.
Yeah, oh, bald, the Americanbald eagle.
And yeah, I don't know, there'sa couple other kinds of eagles,
but I don't think we have anyaround here.
Golden eagles, golden eagles.
We got Philadelphia eagles.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
We were looking for eagles this past weekend.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I love a good eagle.
I love a good eagle.
I mean it's always cool to see.
It's still, I mean, I know wesee more of them, but what's
crazy is like so that's like anew experience in life because
we talk about this.
The bald eagle resurgence isone of America's great
conservation stories becausethey were I mean, there was only

(08:32):
what like 60 of them left orsomething.
Yeah, and now they're just yeah,conwinga, they've got a whole
group of them.
They've got like what you wouldcall a flock, whereas I like I

(09:35):
don't know what the word is fora group of eagles like a murder
of crows.
I need to find that out.
Squaggle eagles We've seen awhole squaggle of eagles down
there.
That sounds like a statementthat's been said in maryland
before, like north of baltimore,is it a clutch a clutch?

(09:56):
No, I think that's turkeys.
No, turkeys clutch a clutch isthe second clutch, remember we
saw it on that documentary.
So a clutch of turkeys.
If it's second clutch, it'salready had one birth, given one
round of, and it's then givingbirth to a new.
That's a new clutch.
So it's on its second clutcheagles might clutch, they might

(10:21):
clutch I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, we're gonna find out so that you know.
You'll know when I know.
Yeah, but we go to a lot ofdams so that's probably why
we'll know when.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I know, yeah, but we go to a lot of dams, so that's
probably why we see a lot ofeagles.
We hang out by river, like wealways see them like dams,
rivers, stuff like that.
Well, I don't know.
In.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Waynesboro they're hanging out in the creek.
I mean that's true.
Well, I mean I've seen one inWaynesboro, but the most I've
ever seen were in Conawango andI don't see too many outside of
that.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I don't think We've seen them in random farm fields
throughout Franklin County andstuff.
We've seen them up here.
We saw one right by our houseflying over this dusty-ass river
.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Release the damn waters oh, they can't release
the damn river.
You know what I mean Releasethe dam waters oh, they can't
release the dam waters.
I was doing all kinds ofresearch on this.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I know you were.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Apparently, lightning fried a valve Like lightning
fried the clock tower.
We need to turn back time onthe whatever.
That dam is further up northfrom the Stony Creek.
I mean, actually it's south ofStony Creek, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, I mean actually it's south of Stony.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Creek isn't it?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I guess it is, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't look it good.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I forget who owns it now, but back in the day the
steel mill used to own it and soit was like a family picnic
place for the steel mill workersand then, like in high school,
we rented it out after band campto do like our annual band
picnic before school started orwhatever.
It was fun.
It's nice.
They have a nice communityswimming pool out there and

(11:58):
water activities like outside ofthe swimming pool they have
like break.
Yeah, it's nice, it's reallynice, well, it was back in the
day um.
It is out by Somerset Lake.
Hmm, I can't remember what it'scalled.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
My only experience with water in Somerset County is
that time we got busted forfishing without licenses Not me,
but that was at Queen Mahoneythough.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Gotta watch for the man.
The man was watching for youthat day.
He was watching for you guysthat day from a tree with
binoculars.
He took his job seriously.
It's not as bad as the drive-inpolice.
It's not a dip.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
No, First off that's that guy.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I don't want to talk too much shit because they're
necessary.
They're necessary.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
But some of them go on little power trips just like
anybody with authority.
It's like some cops.
You know what I mean, as mygrandma used to like to call
them little tinned Hitlers.
You give them an ounce of powerand they think that they're
taking over the world.
And hit them, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah're sucking it out.
But yeah, yeah watch out forthem.
So, and coming up, we've gotagain.
I feel like we say it all thetime We've got comedy coming up,
we're going to be travelingagain.
You've got so many thingscoming up comedy-wise, it's like

(13:30):
all over the spectrum as far aswhere.
Who you're with that kind ofstuff.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Right, it's all over the place.
Just go check out the website.
Go see it, because we got somuch it's too much to talk about
.
I don't want to bore you withthe details of who I'm
performing, with where I'mperforming.
I'm out there doing comedypeople, go see it.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Get with where I'm performing.
I'm out there doing comedy.
People Go see it, Get out thereand check it out.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm getting better.
I am getting better.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh, I thought you said you were kidding.
You are getting better, you'remuch better.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I'm saying, I'm getting better, I'm getting
there.
I'm getting there.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That was a fun thing that we did at the speakeasy at
Gamble Mills, oh my God.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Thing that we did at the um speakeasy at gamble mills
, oh my god yeah, I just want totalk about that for a minute
because, first off, I want to doevery show there because it's
like, first off, you know I talkabout this all the time, and so
here's the elements that it hasand make this a great venue for
something like this.
I'd watch a band there too.
That's real cool.
It's just a great little room,and so they have.

(14:35):
What makes it great is I saythis all the time people want to
be comfortable.
The more comfortable people arewhen they're watching comedy,
the more likely they are tolaugh.
People that are.
I can't move my shoulders.
The guy's got a sword on my armwhen you're packed in like

(14:55):
sardines, like that you're lesslike I know that I am.
I feel that way, like it'sharder for me to laugh going to
see like Nate Bargetzi, becauseyou're always like in an arena.
It's always like that's hard,unless I'm like on the floor in
a comfortable like.
Then I'm laughing, but when I'muncomfortable it's like I just
want the show to be over.
Same thing for music.

(15:17):
It's like I love Tyler Childersand I love that show.
We saw Bridgestone, but likenever again.
Like it was insufferable.
And it's like Sally wants to goout.
She's chirping.
I was like I wasn't like innormal.
I told her to come up, but Ididn't you're a jerk.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Is Kyle in the camera right now?
No you didn't see it outside?
My brain just startedautomatically singing Whoa, whoa
, whoa, whoa.
A storm is coming.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Is it Is the wind coming.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh my God, it's dark out there.
It looks ominous.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I didn't think we had any rain in the forecast, but
then again we know how that canbe.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's like up over east hills, like it's really
dark over there um, but yeah,like back to the tight arenas.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
People be wanting to be comfortable in a comedy show.
If the the shows that I've seenwhere it's the most successful
in terms of like everyonelaughing, it's where they're
most comfortable.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'm not saying it's got to be the lapse of luxury
Right.
You just can't be likeuncomfortable close sitting to
people.
You know like it's got to be aneasy setup.
And it's an easy setup thereCouches, chairs, loungers,
people standing and it's likethe room is small so the
laughter really hits and it'svery intimate venue.

(16:55):
It's almost like it's like MTVUnplugged for comedians or
something.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
That's exactly what it put me in the mind of was on
the Marvelous Mrs Maisel, whenher and that guy were like
riffing at a party and then,everybody was at the party with
just sitting around with drinksin their hands, like into the
moment.
That's what it felt like.
It just felt like you were at aparty, chilling and all of a
sudden you got up there to talkfor a little bit.

(17:20):
It was cool when they weretrying to be second rate Nichols
and May.
Well, that is exactly what Ienvision when I try to get you
to go out for parties.
That's the vibe I'm going for,like people all just stopping
sitting around gathering tolisten to the Pied Piper.
Right, no, I get that At a partyis a little weird but because

(17:48):
we, because of going to thespeakeasy and I'm obsessed with
the vibe of speakeasies, becauseanyone that I've ever been to
that is like that all has areally great ambience in the
room and they're all slightlydifferent right they all have
low lighting yeah, but it wasstill warm.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was fake fireplace soft lights.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
But do you remember what I learned today?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That the term speakeasy, while it was
originally spoken over inEngland before 1889-ish they
used to call bars, speak softly,shop.
Over in England before 1889-ishthey used to call bars, speak
softly, shops or pubs.
I guess over there speak softlyshops.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
What was the reasoning behind that?
Speak softly shop.
What's that mean?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I didn't dig into that piece of it, but if I'm
putting brain connectionstogether, my brain understood it
innately to mean that you'retalking about the things there
that you would have to speakquietly about in public.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, sure, and.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I could be totally off base, but that's how my
brain did it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I mean it doesn't matter, I was just curious what
they meant by that.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Like you know, the Brits have weird talk first

(19:31):
place that anyone had heard itin the States.
They were referring to anunlicensed saloon at the time as
a speakeasy.
And then I forget her name, butI'll pop it up here on the
screen the woman that one of thewomen who owned a saloon in
McKeesport actually was famouslyheard or lore, we don't know as

(19:52):
saying speak easy boys, speakeasy boys because they were
rowdy in the bar or whatever.
So that was before prohibition.
The Pittsburgh Papers latchedonto it then and they started
calling all unlicensed saloonsspeakeasies.
So it was kind of a movementbefore prohibition even started.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, that was my question was was this prior to
prohibition?
You know what I mean, Becausethat's when we think of
speakeasies, I mean that's whenthe term takes off, that's when
it goes viral.
You know what I mean.
Like it goes viral duringprohibition, Everybody you know
like wants to use it.
But no, it's just that's superfascinating.

(20:32):
No, but it's great that.
It's cool too that it has likeWestern Pennsylvania roots.
That's fun.
Yeah, that's really fun Somelady out there on the south side
.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Just speak easy, boys , speak easy, boys, speak easy.
I can't even do it because inmy name it's not so the woman's
name, and again I'll pop it upon the screen.
But the woman, she was actuallyin my brain.
She was German, so she had avery thick accent when she was
yelling at the women.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
She may have, and at that time, at that time in
western Pennsylvania, she likelyprobably had an accent.
You know what I mean, like theydidn't have a Pittsburgh accent
, yet it probably had an accent,you know what.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean they didn't have a Pittsburgh accent yet
that took them many more years.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
It wasn't quite developed.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
It wasn't quite developed.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
They had to go down there and work on it a little
bit.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
That's hilarious.
So this week's episode I'mgoing to get into it.
I know we've been spending thelast 20 minutes pretending like
we weren't going to talk aboutit, but this week's episode is
actually a memorial for whenAnthony Ray Barlip II, not

(21:39):
Junior the second.
So September 19th of this yearis the 15th anniversary of my
son's passing and we've talkedabout it before.
We're going to talk about it alittle bit here.
But what I really want to weaveinto this tale and we'll retell

(22:00):
Lilydale is just all of thesupernatural things Like this is
always we've talked about.
We talked about it lastHalloween time, like leading up
into Halloween.
Paranormal is very much a partof, or ingrained in, americana,
ingrained in folklore, and wegrew up with it right.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
We were doing Explore Nation, before we ever even
dreamed of even calling it athing.
We just did that.
That's what we did.
So this is we want to tie insome of those stories that we
experienced with him, stuff thatwe look back on and connections
to that and so forth, becauseit all ties together, then, with
what we already talk about,which is a lot of paranormal, a

(22:43):
lot of goofing around and crazystories.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah.
So I'm just going to give theshortest backstory I can even
give on this, which is there's acouple bullet points that
really hit on.
Again.
It's very thematic.
There's the element ofpsychology involved, right.

(23:07):
So I met Ant's dad when I wasjust turned 18.
He was 19.
So we were close in age and wejust had a teenage fling.
It was a teenage romance fling.
I didn't find out until I wasgetting ready to leave for
college that he was suicidal asa person, right, and that he had

(23:32):
bipolar and manic depression.
So I was leaving for collegeand I was trying to break up
with him and he attempted tocommit suicide and that was a
trend later in life.
So I try not to tell that storyfor a lot of reasons.

(23:53):
One is that I'm very close withhis family still and I never
want to paint him in a bad light.
Anybody who knew Anthony SrAnthony, I Big Ant I forget what
his nickname was in high school, anybody that knew him knew he
was just a light.
He was always up, he was alwayson.
He was in high school.
Anybody that knew him knew hewas just a light.
He was always like up, he wasalways on.
He was always cracking jokes.
Everybody wanted to hang outwith him, but when he was down,

(24:17):
he was down.
His lows were manic and peopleyou know were afraid of him
sometimes when he was low.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
A lot of people that are like that, a lot of people
like that.
I mean that's literally classicbipolar.
I mean that's literally classicbipolar.
I mean your highs are high andyour lows are crazy low.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So I mean, yes, yes, that's exactly it, and I didn't
know at the time or understand Iguess at 18 that I was also
bipolar and so, unfortunately,the two bipolars having a baby
together was probably a toxicmove looking back.
But, that being said, he was agreat father.

(24:53):
I mean, he was such a greatfather, he was so hands-on.
We did have split custody, sohe would have him four days and
I would have him seven, then hewould have him seven.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
So it was a rolling, weird, cussy arrangement Most
situations like that are goingto be weird, I mean because at
that age I mean you're just allover the place.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Right, and when the cussy arrangement went into
place he wasn't in school yet.
So but the only reason I'mbringing this up at all is
because I've said I was going totalk about this for since my
son was four years old.
There's still a lot of dramaaround it.
I'm still going to figure out away to memorialize it forever

(25:42):
into a book or a TV show or amovie.
But I'm the road to hell ispaved with good intent, right.
And the Ford family the Fordfamily, who I forever speak with

(26:03):
disdain on my tongue theywanted my son to be theirs.
They wanted him to be their son, to be theirs.
They wanted him to be their son, and so they took over his life
after his father finally didend up committing suicide in
1998.

(26:24):
They had money, they had verywell-established roots in the
community, and I'm not sayingany of this to knock how
irresponsible I was as a youngadult.
I was fucking irresponsible.
I was making really baddecisions as a young teenage mom
.
But at the end of the day theywere grown-ass adults with money

(26:45):
and alleged Christians, andthey should have not done that
to our family, because I thinkthat part of the reason why my
son did pass away is becausethey tried so hard to covet him
that they broke his spirit one.
They made him wild out and theytook away his identity.

(27:05):
He lost both of his parents inthe same year because they iced
me out.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And then they tried to raise him as if nothing
happened.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
As if this was all just normal, that two
40-something people were justokay to take somebody's son
after he committed suicidebecause of their daughter.
And then I'm just going tothrow this out there too,
because while I'm throwingallegations out, and potentially
out there too, because whileI'm throwing allegations out and

(27:36):
potentially getting myself inlegal trouble the reason why
they even wanted my son to beginwith is because they allegedly
made their daughter have anabortion.
The baby would have also beenBig Anthony's and she was only
16 at the time and I was alsopregnant with my son at the time
.
So, rather than letting herhave her baby and dealing with

(27:58):
the dynamics of having two kids,they made her have an abortion
and take my son.
So I mean, I'm not going to sayI didn't have any hand in that,
because I signed custody of himRight, no, no, no, I get it.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
But yeah, right, but anyway, I think let's get out of
that messiness and get to wherethe story goes from that point
then.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, so, but again, that needed to disbarred who
they sent to break into myapartment and take pictures,
which did indeed happen.
That's not allegedly thathappened.
So in that case, they werereally dirty and dirty, dirty
money.
Like people with money.
And good intentions still dodirty shit.

(28:53):
That's all I'm going to say onthat.
And good intentions still dodirty shit.
That's all I'm going to say onthat, right, I agree.
So then, when my son was 12, Iactually got in touch with him
on Facebook and we startedtalking and connecting and I was
able to get custody of him.
Long story short, he did notwant to be with those people and
he wanted to know andunderstand his family and be

(29:15):
with his family and all of hisfamily is pretty fucking awesome
anyway.
So he came back with us and bythat point, he was a wild, wild,
wild teenager, right, and youand I had just started dating,
maybe a year into me havingcustody of him.
So it was, it was.

(29:36):
It was crazy, um, but so that'ssetting up the scene that we
have at this time.
When Scott and I first starteddating, my son was about 14.
Um, so he had a pack of friendsthat came with him.
They were all very different.
He had skater friends.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, first off, just back up, just a hair there,
because when we first gottogether, he when did he wait?
That was when was he at theplace where we had to go visit
him?
That was later, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
He was placed more than once?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
No, but when we know I understand that, but when you
and I were together and we hadto go visit him in chambersburg
remember that was shortly rightafter we got together- yeah and
then he came like back down toyeah, then he was able.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, he was in a behavioral Christian home type
place, a group home setting, fora minute, just again.
Because he came away from thosetwo people with so many
behavioral issues that he didn'tthat he had when he was born.

(30:51):
I know he did and they just didnot want to.
I think they just never handledit the way that they should
have and so his behavioralissues were mostly in
retaliation of not being able tohave his real family and then
once he got around his realfamily he was already like kind

(31:14):
of over.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Well, he was totally like he didn't have any regards
for authority, discipline,structure and he truly did not
care.
And like most kids, you cansort of like, like whatever,
trick them, bully them into thelike.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
No, he was smart, he did not care.
He puts me.
He used to when he gotargumentative with me and he
would be like no, no, I'm notdoing that.
No, that was my brother,through and through and through.
He argued like my brother doesRight, like Bubba was right.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
He kind of looks a little bit like Tim, now that
you say that.
Yeah, yeah, right he kind oflooks a little bit like Tim, now
that you say that yeah, yeah, Ican see that he got his
hardiness.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
we'll say from my dad's side of the family, so he
has the stature of a skeebo.
He has the build of a skeebo.
Now he has the height of bothfamilies, because my mom's
family, my dad's family and hisdad's family are all very tall,
except for me and his dad.
So that was kind of funny too.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, we are both the products of.
I have plenty of tall family,but my dad is as sure, both his
over six feet tall.
My dad, he's like my mom, nowshe's not, her family's not tall
, but they're taller than she is.
She's borderline midget.

(32:42):
So you get them two littlepeople and what the result is is
sure as they'll be fed out ofhere.
But yeah, no, he had that thegood stature from your family,
so luckily enough, that workedout.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, all three of my kids are very well.
Unfortunately they're all bigboned.
So the girls they need to watchtheir weight, just like I do,
but they're, we're just bigpeople.
Like obviously, like I said,said I'm the, I'm the shortest
and I'm five, five.
But um, both the girls are five, nine or taller.

(33:22):
Anth was close to six foot ortaller.
I like I couldn't even tell.
They're all just big.
I raise big things.
I raise big.
Everything I raise is big.
My animals all get big and fat.
My kids get big.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
That ain't true.
None of our cats are fat.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, it used to be a thing.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's surprising.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
When I had goldfish, guinea pigs and hamsters, that
was the truth, but now that Ihave cats, it's not.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Which is so bizarre because almost everyone I know
that has cats they're fat.
Everyone I know that has cats,they're fat and yet somehow
everything else that we hit likeit's like, but the cats they're
healthiest can be.
I don't know, I can't explain.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
They're healthy.
They're just not bloat up.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
They're not fat at all but his personality though.
So getting away from thebehavioral issues, but the
behavioral issues kind of madehim who he was and it was funny
and endearing Like it wasembarrassing at times because he
would walk around, and now I dohave to practice this.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
In hindsight it's funny and endearing, but at the
moment you're experiencing it,you're like shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Shut up.
So, mind you, half of hisfriends were either black or
Mexican or mixed race and theywould walk around town doing
Dave Chappelle what I can't evendo the voice All of them would.
It was fucking hilarious, butit scared the shit out of people
.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
They would call each other racial slurs.
They were wild.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They were wild.
If you've seen this pack ofkids in the street, you
definitely crossed the street.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
A hundred percent.
If you've seen these kids,you're like how can I get as far
away as possible from this packof heathens?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's coming my way because something's going to
transpire Like I remember onemorning I opened up Facebook and
there was, like I saw a videoof him.
Uh, it was at a bonfire and hewas I can't remember if he was
just using the spray, but he waslike blowing up a bonfire with

(35:36):
spray to like make it shoot up,and stuff like that they were
always doing.
Like dangerous shit, likedangerous shit.
He stole his grandmother's carand wrecked it in the middle of
a cornfield one night before hehad his license of a cornfield
one night before he had hislicense and the reason that we

(35:58):
tell you all this.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
and then, unfortunately, I mean we do have
to mention it Like, I mean,this is all.
We already, you know, talkedabout it, but then, once he
passed away, there's some thingsthat happen afterwards that
also like paranormal and stuffrelated, that like come back
into play with some of thesestories, which is why we're

(36:22):
giving you so much background onthis.
That's what like we're not just.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
This is all essential for these stories it is the
central part, but this is alsohis memorial episode and I want
people to know who he was.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
He wasn't just some, oh, absolutely oh, I mean,
that's the beauty of it.
Well, that's what I think thatthese stories highlight too is
his goofiness.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, I mean he was just like.
Everybody loved him.
I mean I'm going to say that myson was handsome because he was
my son.
He was a good looking kid.
Was he the most handsome kidI've ever seen?
No, but all the girls loved himand it surprised me yeah,

(37:10):
because of his personality.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, Like he got some hot girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
That's all I'm saying .

Speaker 3 (37:20):
He was bad.
He was a bad boy.
I don't like to say it likethat because that sounds weird,
but he was a bad boy.
So, of course, the girls likedhim.
He was disruptive.
He was that guy that like inthe movies, that like he, just
he's like smoking cigarettes inschool and they're like, who's

(37:40):
that?
That's just Jeff.
It's like you know what I mean,though, like he, that's the
person that he was was thatabsolute rebel, but then the
girl's always like, oh, thatshouldn't, but that's what it
was.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, I mean, it was insane.
And they, oh my gosh, one timehim and he talked his sister
into doing quercetans with him,as they referred to it, triple
Cs.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
I don't even want to, oh God.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, we thought Olivia was going to die, like
they had to charcoal her stomach.
Meanwhile he's standing up inthe hospital high as fuck in her
face like Sister, why did youtake that many?
What are you doing Like?
He was like weaving and bobbing, but he was totally fine.
He did not even get.
But I mean again, I'm sure hehad tried substances or whatever

(38:35):
before.
Oh my God.
But he did everything too.
He was the every person's guy.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
He was a hunter.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
He loved to hunt and fish.
He loved to do ATVs.
He loved to skateboard, but hewas fucking horrible at it.
He played baseball when he waslittle.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
He just wanted to experience everything.
Like whether all the differentthings that you can do.
He wanted to do them all and hetried them all.
He wouldn't stick to any ofthem, but he would try them all.
Yeah, he was an experiencer.
He was one of those people.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Like if he had grown up.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
He would have been on the— what's that?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
He got it honest.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I mean sure, yeah, but you're at a much more
reserved level.
He's the type of person thatwould have been on the show
jackass, because he would justbe up for anything.
Like he didn't care, like Idon't put you out there.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, his dad would have been jackass, I would
have been more adventurous,more adventurous yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
You're wild, but you're a little more tepid in
your when it gets to thedangerous things.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Well, now at 50, of course, but maybe not at 24, 25.
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I know, but I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
To your earlier point .
That really leads into thereason why we had to keep his
brain occupied at 11 o'clock atnight, 12 o'clock at night, one
o'clock in the morning becausehe was up, he was a teenager, he
wanted to be doing things andwe wanted to accommodate that as
much as possible withoutletting him run the streets wild

(40:23):
at 1 o'clock in the morning.
So every once in a while we'ddrag our asses out of bed and be
like all right, let's go havesome fun.
What do you guys want to do,and what did they always want to
do?
Ghost?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
hunting, ghost hunting.
What else?
Ghost hunting?
Let's go to Miller's Church,let's go to Pond Bank, let's go
to wherever All the usual haunts.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
But you know what I mean.
They heard the stories and theywanted to go check them out.
And what do you do when you'rea teenager?
You're curious about that stuff, so you want to go check it out
and we did indulge them on thataspect of it.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, we did it like several times, like one time,
and the reason why I say 12-1,11-12-1 is because oftentimes he
would just call us late andwe'd already be up or we'd be
leaving like we were out atkaraoke or something.
We'd be leaving karaoke andwe'd be like, all right, we'll
come get you.
But one time he actually didget us out of bed.
It'd be like come on, myfriends want to go, and so we

(41:24):
got out of bed and went.
I mean it was just whatever.
I mean we didn't mind it.
I'm making it sound like thosetypical white people that give
in to everything, really peoplethat you can call on the phone
and it's the wrong number andwe'll come get you.
No, we're not.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
We're really not.
We're figuring this thing outtogether.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, that's not happening, but so that leads
into.
So the night that he passedaway it was football season and
we, I guess the local channels.
This always happens to us, nomatter where we live in
Pennsylvania.
Unless you live right inPittsburgh, the local channels

(42:08):
don't carry all the games.
So at Waynesboro there werecertain games where we would
have to go out to somewhere elseto watch the games.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
There's always one or two a year.
There's always one or two ayear that you couldn't pick up
without the NFL package orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, and so we had gone out to what's it called
Breakaway 2s.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
No, just regular Breakaways.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh, that's regular Breakaways, breakaway 2s in
Hagerstown.
So we went to breakaways tograb lunch or whatever and watch
the game and have a beer or two.
We had just had a birthdayparty for Dakota the day before,
so the kids had all kinds ofleftover food at the house.
They were all chilling thereand I knew that Amp was with his
friends.
So I was like let me just givehim a call and see if he wants

(42:57):
to come eat with us before hegoes and gets into whatever he
was getting into that night.
Now, during this time he wasstaying with his grandmother at
his great-grandparents' house,so I don't think we told that
the last part of the story.
So even though me and hisgrandmother had custody of him
at the time since we didn't liveat the same house any longer

(43:19):
because Scott and I had moved intogether she kept custody of
Anthony for school reasons andall that at her house.
So I called him and I was likehey.
I was like do you want to comeout and have dinner with us?
We're at breakaways, you know.
We'll order you food orwhatever before you go.
Do whatever you're doing forthe night.

(43:39):
We're watching the game.
And he said I would like to,but I promised my girlfriend
that I would take her out to.
They were supposed to go toApplebee's that night.
I do not know what happenedthere, but he was supposed to
take his girlfriend toApplebee's and he was like so
happen there, but he wassupposed to take his girlfriend
to.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Applebee's and he was like so unless it was, I mean
it could have been just a fib,but Right.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I mean that's certainly possible, but it
doesn't matter, that'sirrelevant.
Yeah, it's irrelevant to thestory and he was also very
honest with us normally, buteither way, it wasn't like I
there was.
No, I remember feeling like,okay, maybe he's being a normal
teenager, Like this is good,Like I had a good feeling about
that part of it.
So then I think— I think I didget one text after that and I'll

(44:26):
have to go back and lookbecause I feel like somebody
texted me and said there wasabout to be drama at our house.
Do you remember that Somebodywas supposed to be up sitting
behind the garage when we livedon Price Avenue?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, I do kind of remember that happening, but I
don't remember that being thatsame day.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But it might have been I don't know.
Or it had just happened beforethat, or something like that.
But there was some drama withhim and the kids like Bobby and
them, it was nothing serious.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Right, and if you remember, though, his friends
came over to the house.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Before, like after the game, when we got home, when
he was remember, it was threeof them.
I couldn't tell you who.
Tony, tony.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Well, tony was there.
Was it BK maybe?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I have no idea.
I just remember Tony.
I thought Bobby was there too.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, it might have been.
I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Bobby, Tony, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
A couple of the kids had stopped by the house because
, again, the girls well, notdakota, because she was probably
in a room, but, um, olivia wasout back.
They were like finishing offthe birthday cake from the day
before they.
A couple of the kids werehanging out in the backyard just
chilling.
That's what I.
A couple of them were teenagers.
So we had gotten a quarter ofmushrooms from a friend of a

(45:53):
friend at the bar, which we weregoing to save for the following
weekend, but I didn't know theperson who we got them off of.
So I wanted to take a nibble tosee if they were any good, or I
just wanted to get high.
I don't remember, but I knewthat we didn't want to do enough
to get dosed because we had togo to work the next morning,

(46:15):
right, but we just wanted to tryit.
So I don't think that I toldthis part of the story last time
either, but if you remember itwas, you had run upstairs.
So we got high, we took thenibble, or we took the nibble

(46:37):
and I turned on something on theTV to watch that we were going
to try to watch.
It might've been Fear andLoathing, I don't remember.
We always try different shitand you ran upstairs and I even
remember calling up to you hey,can you bring my inhaler down?
I can't breathe, right.
I was like my chest was heavyand I couldn't breathe, and it
was around eight somethingwhenever that happened, which

(47:01):
plays in later, right.
So I hit my inhaler andsometimes, when I can't breathe,
it's asthma.
Sometimes it's a panic attackand I never know which one.
So I just hit the inhaler,right.
So, um, we were tripping alittle bit, not too much, just
enough, right, like how I don'tknow what you would say oh no,

(47:23):
we were, we were tripping.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, it was like, but was it just a light happy
buzz?
Oh no, we were tripping.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I mean it was like, but was it just a light happy
buzz?
Yeah, it was that like if youmicrodose on like a chocolate
bar or something like that,those like it.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
You were happy, you definitely felt it, but you
weren't like crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Right, there was no, like it wasn't a full deep on,
like it wasn't like REM sleep,but it was like the stage before
that or whatever.
So, or I don't know the stages,I just probably messed up that
whole analogy, but you get whatI'm saying.
So when we went upstairs to goto bed, I don't know why I was

(48:04):
thinking about this, that's what, because I don't remember any
drama.
I think I was just kind of sadthat ants didn't come out with
us, maybe because I wanted tospend time with them.
But when we were laying there,the things that jumped out to me
were again, you were rubbing myback, so my back was to you,
you were rubbing my back, and Iremember distinctly, remember

(48:25):
thinking to myself that yourhands felt really really big,
like bigger than they shouldhave been, and I just attributed
that to being high.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Like I just thought, oh yeah, sure yeah yeah.
I mean, it's just one of thoseweird things.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
And then the other piece of that was that, as I was
like slowly, like starting todrift away into sleep, I
consciously like I rememberconsciously talking to Big
Anthony, who at the time wasalready, you know, deceased and
I said to him I was like, whatare we going to do with our boy?
He needs some behavioral things, like.

(49:03):
It was something like somethingabout how are we going to
handle this, what are we goingto do with this boy of ours?
And I said it Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I was going to say I also don't know if you remember,
but we had just recently beenout at his grave and you
basically had the sameconversation, because I don't
know if you remember is like youknow what I mean, like that was
just a couple weeks prior tothat.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I don't know if you remember that I mean that tracks
, but I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did Only the highlight
reels remain from those years,but that was exactly what you
were talking about.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, and so, while I was drifting, I could feel like
a touch on my foot, likesomebody had grabbed my foot,
and in my mind I woke up.
But I know, I didn't Like.
No, I know, and I could seeAnth, and it wasn't like the.
It wasn't Big Anth from apicture, it wasn't Big Anth from

(50:00):
his funeral.
It was Big Anth in an outfitthat I had only seen him in like
once or twice.
It was like the heavy cargoshorts that are all floppy, just
like the ones that you justfinally got rid of, so the cargo
shorts with all the pocketsalready poofed out because he'd
been wearing them a hundredtimes.
They were sagging.
I could see his boxer shorts.
I could see the t-shirt that hewas wearing.

(50:21):
His hair was longer, like whenhe was younger, so it wasn't
like the hair that he had whenhe died and he was like rubbing
my foot and he was like don'tworry, mama, I got this and mama
was what he called me, right?
So then, like it could havebeen 10 minutes, it could have
been a half hour, I don't evenknow what it was.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, I mean, we got a phone call and we know what
that was.
Did I say out loud to you thatyour hands felt big to me, or
did I say that out loud I?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
think after the fact I mean now that raises an
interesting point.
I think you did say it at thetime, but I don't think you made
any kind of connection with anysort of thing.
To myself, like you, didn'tthink anything weird was going
on.
You were just like your handsfeel giant or whatever.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Giant when I'm sad.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Like it wasn't some like moment where we're like
whoa, you know, it was just inpassing your hands, feel,
because then we talked about itlater, of course, but at that
time yeah, and so then of course, like we went up and we found
out that he died and I'm notgoing to go through that whole

(51:36):
piece because that wholeprobably week for me is a lost
memory and I don't know ifanybody can actually recall
those moments of something likethat.
My body has been in fight orflight mode since I was probably
18 months old, so I blockthings out as soon as I process

(51:59):
them in all of those types ofsituations.
So I don't.
All I know is that there was nolike from me.
If anybody holds any like,sadness or guilt because they
were not there or because theydidn't say or do the right
things, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I couldn't tell you, nobody would ever know.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
There are people inside the guest book that I
don't fucking know who they are.
I'll never know who they are.
There's people I don't.
People were like don't youremember?
I said no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
So I mean, there was a thousand people there yeah,
literally so I mean there's noway.
Like I mean just at the funeralI'm saying, but like it, like,
like you said, everything's justa blow because I like and even
I don't really remember, youknow.
I mean I remember little bitsand pieces of like specific
stuff, like I you know how Iremember stupid stuff, but like

(52:52):
as far as like the overallprogression of the week or
anything, I don't remember anyof that.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
None of it, and so, yeah, like during that time,
yeah, like during that time.
So one of the things that Ikind of feel bad about is that I
didn't let some more of thekids in my heart Not in the
house, right, right, right right?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
No, they were definitely at our house, whether
we want them to be or not.
Hold on, that's okay, babe.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Well, because we found out yesterday that another
one of the kids that are inthat group died, and we don't
know all the details yet, so I'mnot going to say anything about
it, other than to say that shewas part of that crew.
And that we've buried way toomany of these kids Way too many.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I mean an ungodly amount from that group of kids.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
To the point where I'm researching the statistics
right now to see if it's toohigh, because I've never like I
don't remember that many kidsthat I went to high school dying
with within the 10 years ofgraduation.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
No, no, I don't either, and I think I mean, but
here's also like, like for allthose ones where it didn't
happen a lot, there's going tobe ones where it did.
You know what I mean.
Like so, and this just happensto be one of those groups, and I
mean it's a combination ofthings.
I mean a lot of it was drugsfor some of these kids.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You know what I mean, not all, I mean the one
yesterday wasn't.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
But yeah, no, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying
some of the prior ones beforethat had to do with drugs.
So, and that's more prevalentnow than it was, you know, back
in the day.
So that certainly is part of it.
But even taking that out of theequation there's an ungodly
amount because, like you said,the one yesterday there, I mean
there's just been a, there'sbeen a bunch that had been very,

(55:12):
very not suspicious.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But it's just, there's just been a bunch that
have been very, very notsuspicious, but it's just it's
weird that this has happened andso and I think, probably part
of the story too I mean, some ofthe listeners probably already
know this, but I'm not from thattown, I'm not from Waynesboro,
I'm from Johnstown, right?
So when I got to Waynesboro, Iwas like I said I was, I had
just literally turned 18, likethe week that I got there and I

(55:36):
met a lot of people, a lot ofgood people.
So, even though I didn't go tohigh school there, like I'm
friends with most of these kids'parents, I know them right you
got there when you were still akid basically.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I mean, you were an adult technically, but you were
a teenager.
You still got to know thequote-unquote kids that are
these people's children now.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, and obviously I mean I didn't marry into the
family, but his family, theBarlops, adopted me in.
I did.
They adopted you.
You married into the Barlopsessentially.
And they, I mean, but they areconnected to the entire town in
some way, shape or form.
So like I walked into a familythat was highly like connected

(56:26):
with the community, into afamily that was highly like
connected with the community.
So I mean, and obviously I'mstill close to a lot of people
to this day through that oneconnection of Big Ant.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I mean Absolutely, I mean they are our family.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
They are our family.
Yeah, shout out to Danny comingout for my birthday.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
right Like he came up , that was Big Ant's absolute
hands down best friend of alltime number.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
So and it speaks volumes to me too, and I think
to other people too the way thatthey've embraced me.
You know what I mean.
Like they treat me as if you'retheir daughter and I'm married
to you.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm part of their family,like and I'm married to.
You know what I mean.

(57:09):
Like I'm part of their familylike as as much as the any other
family.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, yeah, well, and they recognize too that, like I
mean, you can never go back,obviously, but had Big Ants
lived and we had not, and we hadstayed apart, which there's a
high likelihood that Big Antsand I would have never gotten
back together but we would haveremained very good friends Sure.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
You guys would have been friends, right, I have no
doubt.
Right, I can certainly see thatplaying out like that.
You guys would have been cool.
It would have been the same,just he'd be at the barlip stuff
.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, and then I could have found him a much
better girlfriend than the shitass when he had back then, but
whatever, um.
So then, um, we've talked aboutthis several times, so I don't
want to say the whole storybecause we're already in an hour
, and I want to actually talkabout some of the paranormal
shit that happened.
So after his funeral, we didtake mushrooms to heal, I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
As a healing process For those and I mean those very
familiar.
This is why they're beinginvestigated in the United
States and legalized in somestates, because their medicinal
properties, especially forpsychotherapy, are unreal in
terms of the results that theysee, and I mean we're a living
testament to that.
That was like sort of whathelped us get everything home.

(58:31):
Now we did eat quite a bit morethat second go round and it was
a spiritual experience.
We were standing in the diningroom laughing for a minute and
then we're just like holdingeach other, crying for 30
seconds, laughing for 30 seconds, crying for 30 seconds,
laughing for 30.
Like it was intense, like itwas very intense, but it was

(58:52):
very healing and we both feltvery, very good after it.
I know that helped both of us.
I mean you had more to gothrough than me, but it still it
definitely I mean it.
It sort of helped clear the air, I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, it cleared a lot of the negative space that
I'd been holding on to for beinga shitty mom, for not being
able to like handle his behavior, for not being at a place Like
I'm at a much better listeningplace now as an adult than I was

(59:26):
trying to manage three well,two wild teenagers in Dakota,
because she was never wild, shewas just there right.
So for me.
So yeah, I mean it cleared somehistory with the.
It cleared a lot of shit for me, like there was a lot of
healing and me and his uncle,even tim, we healed after that

(59:49):
because he was there when bigyams shot him not there, he
showed up right, right, rightand found big enough.
Right, so there was.
There has been so much traumabonding with that family that
like I'll always have thatconnection with them.
But we have the fucking besttimes too right, like the best
times with that family, likeit's not dim and gloom.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
It's not dim and gloom at all.
The majority of I don't thinkof it like that, like you would
think that that would be likeevery time you see him.
That's a.
It has zero.
We don't even talk or thinkabout that most of the time,
unless it's in like a goodmemory, like hey, here's to you
know what I mean.
Whatever you remember when thishappened or whatever, but
nobody dwells on it and thefamily is just wonderful and

(01:00:35):
when we see them it's just we'renot.
It's not a doom and gloom atall.
It's always good times, alwaysa lot of love and laughter.
Yeah, I mean, they're full ofit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
They are, which also helped shape my son's
personality, right, Right sure.
So after we took the mushroomsand healed, there was a long
period.
I mean, obviously that didn'tfix us right.
You and I were still goingthrough some shit.
The girls had some heavy thingsto deal with that they couldn't

(01:01:13):
just take mushrooms and dealwith.
They were like 9 and 15, right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
There was a lot more living left to do after that and
a lot more life.
That happened and nobodyended—it wasn't just like that
happened and then it's likesunny roses the rest of the way.
That's just one part of thestory, and we're not going down
any of those other roads today,but it's it's been.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Like this, this is just about celebrating him yeah
and so how does that tie intothe paranormal aspect?
Because obviously, like we saidearlier, when he was alive he
loved to go to all these placesand we have video and pictures,
and you know whatever of allthese places doing that with him

(01:01:59):
, and we resurrected thisjourney just out of the blue.
I don't think it had anythingto do with him and as I was
getting the episode ready, therewere so many points where, like
we're still talking about a lotof this stuff yeah, right now,

(01:02:21):
even though it may not have beendirectly tied to what we were
talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Wasn't directly tied to him, but he has a tie to all
those things, even to like.
I forgot that.
He went up the one member whenhe stayed up at Graham's with me
and Graham was telling himstories.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So he got to hear some of mygrandma's stories which if you
know they're legendary.
And yeah, if you got to hearsome grandma reed ghost stories

(01:02:47):
bud that's about and he was likein totally intrigued.
You know what I mean.
Um, because you know she would.
I mean she did probably talkall night about it, but I
remember telling him aboutmiller's church and devil bill
and um, I mean I'm sure therewas more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I I don't know off the top of my head, but so the
story that jumps out the most tome, though, after, because,
like during, when he was aliveand we were going ghost hunting,
it was just fun.
It was just us, with teenagersacting like fools.

(01:03:29):
They're getting scared, we'regetting a crack out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Was there any real ghost hunting going on?
Probably not, but it was fun totalk about and do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And to get them ramped up to be scared.
That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
It's about their reaction.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And it was so fun and , like I said, we have pictures
and all there's so many goodpictures of like orbs and stuff
like that, but I think thatimprinted when he left, which is
what I'm getting at.
So I'm going to tell a quickstory about Miller's Church and
then I really want you to tellthe story of Anthony and Anthony
.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
So for Miller's Church Road, after Ant had
passed away, it was quite a fewyears after Scott and I were
just out one night drivingaround.
It was during an emotionallyheightened time in our lives,
which, if you know anythingabout paranormal, it usually is

(01:04:32):
attached to heightened emotion,right, so I won't discount it or
count it one way or the other.
All I'll say is that we pulledup to Miller's Church the
cemetery would have been on ourright, so on the passenger side
of the car, and we were justsitting idle there, just, you
know, kind of listening, and Ithink something scared us and we

(01:04:56):
decided to pull away, right?
Yeah, I don't really rememberwhat it was, but we pulled it
off for some reason, but itwasn't like a suit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I was going to say maybe the neighbors kicked a
light on or something.
You know what I mean.
So we're like maybe we need toget out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Something like that, I think, is what triggered us to
yes, but you had pulled downlike around the bend to the flat
right when that farm field is.
yeah, and you were just sittingthere for a minute and at that
very moment it was like I got aflash.

(01:05:35):
I could see somebody sitting inthe back seat through the side
mirror and I don't know exactlyhow it happened, but one of us
heard something.
But I felt the kick in the backof my seat, like somebody's big
ass knee just hit the back ofmy seat and at the same time we
heard something.
So I put my hand back there tofeel and there were cans on the

(01:05:58):
floor like empty cans.
It was like somebody kicked thecans right, just as I felt the
knee print.
And the only person in ourlives who had that big of a
stature to hit the back of theseat with a knee print would
have been Anne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Well, and he always was riding like backseat shotgun
, like in the middle, kind oflike Right, because you know he
took up the seat, Straw eyesspreading goals.
Yeah, he took up the seat, soit was very reminiscent of that
and that's ironic because— itfelt like an Anthony move.
Yeah, and that's what bringsus—that's what's crazy about is

(01:06:35):
I think that this— that happenedright after the story that I'm
about to tell happened.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
It did.
It was within probably 10 days.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah, within a couple of weeks.
Yeah, because that was right,like at the time.
All that's going on.
You know what I mean.
And so then this goes back to.
As you know, we've talked aboutthis on previous episodes.
I used to be an addict, youknow.
It caused problems in our lifeand there was a time where it
was like a breaking point.
You know what I mean.
But I got clean and this isright about the time that this

(01:07:09):
is happening.
This is shortly, I think rightafter, like right after I'd come
back home from you know thatlittle weird like rehab going
yeah, it definitely was and so,um, and one of the things and we
were like not living togetherlike right at the time, and one
I was things and we were likenot living together like right
at the time.
And one of the I was stayingwith a friend of mine and he one

(01:07:33):
of his part-time jobs.
He had two jobs and during theday worked, but at night I would
help him cause he deliveredpapers like early in the morning
, so I would help him.
You know what I mean, becauseit was easier with two people,
you know.
So I would give him a hand andhe would give me throw me a
couple bucks for helping him.
And we were out near Pawn Bank,now, unbeknownst to my friend.

(01:07:58):
We Pawn Bank was one of Ant's.
Well, not only did he like togo there for like just goofing
around paranormal, because therethere's there's a little local
legend about the lady in white.
You know what?
It's?
Just a little.
It's nothing crazy, it's just alittle local legend.
And people talk about thiswhite lady of pond bank and he
had been out but they also havelike a pond there so you can

(01:08:19):
fish and stuff.
So like he liked that side ofit too.
So and we had gone fishingthere and we had gone there at
night doing like paranormalstuff and this.
My friend knows nothing of this,but this is just one of the
memories that I had with Anthonyand my friend and I are back on

(01:08:43):
this one road and he and we hadnever talked about anything
like that.
I barely knew the guy.
To be honest with you, like Iknew, I worked with him prior to
that and then like we just kindof bonded but he helped me out
and I mean it's crazy, but we'reon this back road.
He knows nothing of my life.

(01:09:04):
I know a little bit, but notbut not like anything about
Anthony or anything like that.
Like he has, you know, he knowsthat I was addicted.
He knows that I used to workwith him, he knows that I'm
married, but he doesn't know anyof any kind of backstory that's
important to that.
He doesn't know any of thisit's very important.
Yes, and so we get back therewhere it's recording, yes.

(01:09:31):
And so we get back there whereit's early, I don't know what,
middle of the night, 1, 32o'clock, 2, 30, I don't know,
but somewhere in thatneighborhood.
It wasn't like it wasn't rightat midnight and it wasn't, you
know, later on in the morning,middle of the night.
And we get back and he's uh, weget back to the pawn bank and
we're back on this one's like weget back to the pawn bank and
we're back on this one dirt roadwhere we had to go take the one
newspaper, and he's like Idon't want to spook you.

(01:09:54):
I don't know how he brought itup, but it was like I don't want
to sound weird, I don't want to, you know, scare you.
He said.
But he said I'm what they call.
He said I'm what he said.
How did he say it?
I can't.
I wish I could remember theexact word.
I would like I'm what they calla psychic medium.

(01:10:15):
Do you know what that is?
And that's how much.
He doesn't know me, cause ifyou know me, you clearly know
that I know what that is, and Iwas like sure, of course.
You know, know what that is,and I was like sure, of course
you know, of course I know whatthat is.
And he's like well, he's likeI'm getting, he's like I see
things, he's like you know, andhe's like this area back here is

(01:10:36):
very.
Whatever he said, I don'tremember specifically, but he's
like there's somebody sitting inthe back seat of the car and he
, he's like, and he just keepstelling me that we have
something in common.
And that's when it hit me.
Oh crap, though A song came onthe radio.

(01:10:59):
What song came on?
Remember, I told you, the radiocut out and the song changed,
but I don't remember what cameon.
That's a damn on.
That's a damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
That's a detail.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
It wasn't Ripple, it wasn't Ripple.
That's what my first instinctwas.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
And it wasn't Fishing in the Dark.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I don't think so, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Regardless, the radio changed you know what I mean to
a song that because I rememberthat anthony said that that was
because it was he was playing aplaylist and he said that that
song hadn't come up in hisplaylist in a long time yeah, I
know it might have been rippleand maybe I'm just I likeipple

(01:11:48):
One.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Maybe I'm thinking that I'm conflating that with
the other story and I'm not, butregardless, that doesn't matter
.
That's not an important part ofthe story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
It was a meaningful song to you at the time and the
radio cut out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
It was just very weird.
It was something happened withthe radio and it immediately
started playing this song.
And I should also mention too,that mention too that, oh wait,
was it sublime it might havebeen.
It might have been sublime, Idon't remember.
I just remember it had aconnection to the moment and to
that and like that's what cluedme in, like this is what's

(01:12:21):
happening, but we I also thepart that I think you forgot
about, I think Fishing in theDark played when we were that
Miller's Church road trip thatwe're talking about, when you
saw him in the back seat.
I think that came on like rightafter that.
And that's when we knew yeahthat's when we knew we were like
, yeah, that was definitely him,because it was like this thing

(01:12:44):
happened.
And then Fishing in the Darkcomes on, or it might have even
happened slightly before thatand then that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
I don't remember the order, but it wasn't my playlist
, because—.
Right, it was just the regularradio.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
At the time I had a CD player still in my car and I
did play his funeral funeral cda lot.
But this wasn't that.
This was just radio play, noteven random just radio right,
just regular 97.6.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
You know, whatever it was but, still, it was random.
That's the point of both ofthese.
They weren't like.
It wasn't like we had our liston there.
That wouldn't be.
We wouldn't act that way.
About that I wouldn't surpriseme.
But anyway, back to the storyat hand.
He sees this guy my friend seesthis guy in the backseat.

(01:13:41):
He's like he's telling me thathe has something in common with
him.
Like I said, the radio thinghappened.
I start to put it all togetherbecause I didn't necessarily hit
me right away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
It had been a while since he had passed, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, this was like five, six, seven years later,
right, yeah, so this is notsomething that was.
It's not like it was fresh andjust heavy on our minds.
This is totally out of thesituation and just completely
random, like of the person thatI know that's saying this, and

(01:14:16):
then it dawns on me my friend'sname is Anthony, too, the
psychic medium, and I was like,and then I, like, I said, I
started to put all this together, the song, him saying this,
saying they have something incommon, and I was like, dude, I
gotta tell you something.
And that's what I said.
And then he was freaked out too, of course, but I mean, you

(01:14:39):
talk about we, and it was one,and then followed up by what we
experienced.
It was like very much, that wasa time in our lives when he was
very near yeah, you know what Imean.
Like he was right there, like Idon't think that the our you
know whatever like hang aroundall the time watching us like

(01:15:00):
supervisors, but they are therewhen we need us and that was a
time that we were like throughsome stuff and he was right
there.
The veil was thin at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Yeah, yeah, as it always is when there's emotional
turmoil, I mean, that's justall there is to say about it.
Sure 100%, but yeah, so hewould have been 30 last year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
31 this year on May 23rd.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
I know I feel so fucking old and I mean he's just
so loved.
There's so many of his friendsthat still, you know, talk about
him to this day, keep him inhis memories, in their memories.
Obviously, you know his cousins.
I'm still very close with them,my nephews, they're my boys,

(01:15:50):
always will be, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
What amazes me is everybody experiences death of
one of their, like friends thatyou went to school with or
whatever, but I mean every, most, I should not every, but most
kids go through that at one timeor another the loss of a friend
, somebody, a peer, for thefirst time or whatever.
But usually time passes andthose kids forget about, but not

(01:16:17):
, and they still, as adults youknow what I mean Every year
mention, you know what I mean.
They don't forget, never forget, never forget, but they don't
forget, do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
what I mean.
Yeah, don't forget, neverforget.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Never forget, but they don't forget.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, they don't they don't forget they're so good
and that's why I feel bad.
Like I said, I know I cut itoff earlier with my emotion, but
I'm gathered now.
I feel bad about not beingcloser to some of them.
Now, it's not like they allneeded moms, it's not like he
ran a bunch.
I mean Waynesboro.
For the most part, all the kidshave Dease parents.
They might be struggling in onearea or another, but I mean I'm

(01:17:00):
not going to say there's notany parents in Waynesboro, but
what I'm saying is from myexperience, the kids that all
three of my kids went to highschool with all their parents
were pretty good, like decent,just hardworking normal.
Americans Trying to no, no,those kids, really no, I laugh
because all those boys, allthose rural, because

(01:17:21):
Waynesboro's the suburbs, right,it's semi-rural, it's a mixture
of rural I can't say that wordbut um, rural, it sounds like
I'm really, I don't know, but um, those boys wanted to be thug
though.
They wanted to be hood, theywanted to be oh, they all it was
hilarious they all it crackedme up to know and I love it.

(01:17:46):
But anyways, here's to Chubby.
May he long reign in heaven andwelcome every one of his
friends who happen to be poppingup there with open arms.
And it's 15 years, so Iprobably am going to try not to
talk about it again until maybe20.

(01:18:06):
But he's going to be lookingover us a lot over the next
couple of years and more to comeon that because again, those
that need to know, know.
Those that know, know, but thatblessing that we have coming is
a visual reminder of his yeah.

(01:18:31):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I'm getting emotional again.
So we're going to wrap it up.
We will see you guys in twoweeks, and by then we will have
done a whole rack of comedy shit, a whole rack of paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah, we were just talking about Millerer's church.
We're going back.
Will anthony show up in theback?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
we don't know we'll find out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
So yeah, so, like some of the things that we
talked about, we're going torehash, not from that angle, but
just from a historicalperspective.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, yeah, and we'll be out.
I want to go out to his gravethis weekend, so we'll be out
there.
Yeah, miller's Church.
I'm trying to think if there'sanything else around there that
I want to add up, anyways, yeahwe can discuss that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yep, september 13th, get your ass down, tuna, come to
my comedy show.
Oh, september 13th, get yourass to Altoona, come to my
comedy show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Oh yeah, yes, Rain drop in September 27th.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Come on out October 12th.
Come on back up to AltoonaOctober 18th.
Come to John's town.
It's happening, it's going down, I'm pumped and if nobody's
told you, bitches today theyit's going down, I'm pumped Boom
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
And if nobody's told you, bitches today.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Big trashy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
That's it neon lights , mic in one hand, truth in the
backseat, grit, wit and storiesthat you can't beat.
Gilded trash.
We shine in the prime, turnsmall town nights into prime
time.
Rhymes Laughter's our compass,heart's the dash we ride,
shotgun, living loud, making asplash in a splash.

(01:20:29):
From open mics to midnightbites.
We spillin' tea under motellights, cornbread comedy, sweet
with spice, feelin' like home,but twice as nice.
New Year's tears, late nightfears.
We laugh till we cry, shiftinggears from coast to coast.

(01:20:50):
It's never the same, but everysmall town knows our name.
Gilded trash.
We shine in the grime, turnsmall town nights into prime
time.
Rhymes Laughter's our compass,hearts, the dash we ride,
shotgun, living loud, making asplash.
So buckle up y'all.

(01:21:22):
It's a hell of a ride.
Scott and Atlantalanta gotnothing to hide.
From the gold to the garbage,we bring the sass welcome aboard
.
This is gilded trash, thank you.