That Path is For; Yinz' Steps Alone

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you just want to walk us into episode eight?
Because by the time thisreleases it's going to be after
the election.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, right, right, right, right.
So here we are, episode eight,right.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Episode eight we will have.
We don't know it right now, butwe will have known by the time
this comes out, hopefully anyhowwho the next president of the
United States will be, becauseand that's why we covered the
election in our last thing We'llprobably have some little clips
and stuff of us watchingelection coverage.

(00:36):
I'm getting ready for it, likeit's the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know, like I'm ready to party, I want to go on
TikTok Live, right, I mean again, that's all.
This is going to air after thefact, so we'll see what happens.
So this week's episode is allabout drugs.
Throw Gus, and I just want tothrow this disclaimer out there

(01:01):
we are in no way, shape or form,condoning the use, the illegal
use, of any drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, we're not advocating for that, we're just
suggesting it.
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Exactly, and if you're underage click out here
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm going to age restrict this episode.
There's lots of things that Imean we, I mean I mean, a lot of
this is educational.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
for whatever reason, Scott is a it is, we're just a
host of facts and figures.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've always loved drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
He knows a lot about it.
He's watched a lot ofdocumentaries.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I've always been fascinated by drugs.
Interested in drugs, I mean youlearn about the things you like
.
I mean that's just all there isto it.
No, but I mean I've always,because we grew up in the golden
age of, uh, drug informationyeah, you know what I mean, like
no generation before us had theaccess to the information that,

(02:01):
like most people, had nevereven heard of half the drugs
that were out there.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I mean right, right you didn't?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
you had very select few people, a lot of the
pioneers of modern drugs,especially like your
psychedelics and stuff a lot ofthat stuff was just pioneered,
you know, in the last 70 to 80years right you know what I mean
.
Like this is all a new frontierreally in the course of human
history, as far as like wherewe're at now with drugs.

(02:30):
Drugs have always been a partof human history as long as
there's been humans, so there's.
So marcus aurelius, we know, wasa opium addict right that was
what like a long long freakingtime, thousands and thousands of
years ago, the roman empireright and like, but I mean

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people had long used.
The two biggest ones arebecause they're just the most
natural the plants in terms ofjust in their straight form of
being, weed and opium rightbecause, like they're just,
they're ready to use.
You don't have to do nothing tothem.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
You don't have to you know what I mean the table farm
, the table baby, and so peoplehave been using them.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, they actually estimate there's.
So we know that people wereingesting like poppies, like
through archaeological evidenceand stuff okay, but we even, we
even guess that even the use ofopium poppies go predates
humanity and that some of our,the early human ancestors, were

(03:36):
eaten opium long before you knowwhat I mean we're talking a
hundred.
Who?
Knows like neanderthals, likestuff like that.
We have evidence when was?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
was the Wizard of Oz written Well?
The 1940s Right but even in the1940s they wrote it into Frank
Baum.
In the 30s something Frank LBaum, or whatever his name is,
wrote it into this storyline.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Opium is probably the most, like I said that, and
cannabis are the two biggest andactually because, like the
Romans, like we found a lot ofevidence, they love weed but
they actually the reason thatthey loved it the most is they
love to fry and eat its seeds,the seeds Fried weed seeds Fried
weed seeds.

(04:19):
The Romans loved it.
It was like a big thing withthem.
They loved it ate it up.
It was like a delic thing withhim.
They loved it, ate it up.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It was like a delicate anybody doing this in
the legal use states?
Let me know.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
But I'm just saying like you might be able to.
If you owned an italianrestaurant, I'd give it a go
fried weed seeds I do like seeds, I like they say something real
fancy in italian and like oh,we're breaking a dish, we're
breaking a dish out with a fried, a weed to see how is it that
we're talking about drogas rightnow and you lead right into

(04:52):
food?
well if they're eating wheatseed, because that's just what I
do.
It's a crossover of the twothings that I love the most.
No, I'm kidding, but um, I meantwo of my top ten probably.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And if you guys are wondering why I'm saying it that
way, I'm not trying to hide theword.
I mean it is what it is.
If this episode gets banned offof any suit, Right, I mean, it
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You'll be able to find it somewhere.
I mean you can talk about it onthe podcast.
No, but I say that Our podcastwon't talk about it If it would
get banned on a specificplatform, meaning like one in
particular.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Just because of the talk of drugs, it's whatever.
Who cares?
You know where else to find it.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Right, exactly.
But regardless of that, thereason why I say it that way is
because I just have a weird wayof saying certain words and once
I do it like once or twice,like ever since ever.
I said that a couple episodesago and ever since I said it
like I can't say you can't unsayit.
I can't unsay it.
You can't say it any other way.
Right Drogas.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's kind of like saying I don't know, I can't
think of anything.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
But but yeah.
But so drugs have always been apart of humanity, like a part
of human history, and and justlike everything else, once it
makes its way to America, itbecomes puritinely inhumane to
do have a long history withdrugs, but there was no real

(06:29):
drug regulations until, at leastin the US, until, like in the
1920s, the Harrison Tax Act.
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Is the first time that there's any kind of thing
on the books about making drugsillegal.
I mean, drugs were here butit's, and I mean, but then, and
then you saw other you knowlegislation come into play.
And then, of course, with theadvent of like the drug
enforcement agency and stufflike that, throughout the

(06:54):
Another money laundering firm inthe US.
Yeah, it's all it is.
That's exactly right.
It's just a way to fight inanother endless war.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And pump money into police departments and schools
and everything else.
It's just a total money racket.
That's the whole.
Things are money, right,they're making money.
Coming and going, the drugpeople are making money.
They're probably involved inthat.
They would have to be.
To run a transnational criminalorganization you have to have

(07:24):
some kind of governmentconnections at some link in the
chain.
You know what I mean.
Like there has to be somebodyturning a blind eye.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
We've watched enough movies, documentaries and TV
shows to know that if they sayit enough, it's really happening
behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, I think it was somebody that said that if you
took like the drug economy andit was a legal like enterprise,
it would be as big as oil.
Right, you know, it's thebiggest industry in the world.
It crosses, touches everycontinent, every country, every
household really, and I don'tmean that every single household

(08:01):
uses drugs, but everybody knowssomebody that has some kind of
connection to drugs rightwhether that be a family member
that died of an overdose ortheir brother that smokes weed
right, and that's the thing, isthere's I mean what?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
or alcohol, exactly everybody I mean if we're not
talking about addiction per sewholly in this episode, like
it's not all about addiction,but I mean food, sugar laden
foods and processed foods couldtechnically be considered a drug
because they they impact yourreceptors in some of the same

(08:38):
ways.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I mean sure, yeah, if you even want to expand it that
far, for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I don't, but I'm just saying Right, no, no, I have a
food addiction.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Right.
Well, addiction is a wholedifferent thing aside from drugs
, you could spend anotherepisode talking about addiction
of drugs and then anotherepisode of addiction of other
things.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Like that's such a heavy beat, like there's so much
that goes with that right and Ilike to keep the episodes on
the light-hearted side.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
So while there will be some like heavier discussions
in this episode, I like to havea whole episode just on
addiction itself.
That we could make it funny.
I mean, I'm sure we could.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, I'm saying we could do an episode on that, but
it's not this one, because yeahwe're just covering we're just
covering drugs, stuff aboutdrugs I mean because of the age
we live in right now, though,and how it just in our lifetime,
the I don't even know what it'scalled the shift of attitude,

(09:44):
yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Towards drugs and drug like, especially like what
now with the legalization ofmarijuana in a lot of states,
hopefully the whole country heresoon, just to clear things up.
But then you have other placesthat are going like even further
than that and saying you canmushrooms, other psychedelics

(10:06):
you know what I mean that youcould do, um, that they're
legalized and I mean they'reusing drugs now for a lot of
therapeutic reasons that theyhave another you know they talk
about, like the ketamine andmdma being used to treat ptsd.
Um, there's a lot of youresearch being done around the
world that sort of points inthat direction.

(10:29):
Then you look at it from thetherapeutic standpoint as well.
You look at things likeayahuasca or people that go in
these like spiritual retreats ordo the 5-MAO-DMT, the frogs,
the bufo frogs or whateverthey're called Right.

(10:50):
That's like a whole one andthat's just like it's all
related.
All that stuff's related to DMT.
But they can synthetically makethat thing on the frogs.
They don't want you getting thefrogs because the frogs are
endangered.
It's only like the NorthernColorado River Frog frog or
something that does you can doit and there's a whole.
Go watch it.
Hamilton's pharmacopoeia he'she was really up to date on.

(11:13):
Yeah, that show is fascinatingwell see, to me that was a great
.
That's like one of my favoriteshows of all time, because it's
literally what like how?
If you have a curiosity aboutlearning about drugs, how they
work, where they come from it'svery educational.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
It removes a lot of the emotion out of it.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, there's really no bias, in the sense of he's
not coming at it like drugs arebad, drugs are good right it's
just what it is right.
It's just the science he goesto find the people that like
first made meth and ecstasy andlike these people were real
chemical pioneers, that were,like, persecuted by the

(11:54):
government then.
And I support him because yeah,I mean well.
And I've talked about it, thatresearch is important.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I think we've talked about it in other episodes and I
also did a TikTok on it when Iwas a baby TikToker.
So it's a really bad video,poor lighting, a little baby
TikToker.
But regardless of that, when myson died I used mushrooms.
I mean we did a trip togetherand that basically it didn't

(12:28):
cure me.
That's a weird word to say.
No, it just helped you, it kindof like it snapped me out of a
fog and gave me like a renewedhope for life that I don't think
I would have had, just tryingto do it with chemicals from the
farm.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
What psychedelics allow you to do is take a step
back from the situation and viewit from a perspective that
you're previously unable to seeit from right and then, once
you've made that realization youknow what I mean or seen that
from a different, that newperspective, then you can

(13:02):
process it from a different way,and then it's like that's what
allows you to like you know not,you know, move on, or whatever
you want to say.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Right, and that was one of the more therapeutic ones
.
But I mean, we've I've done somany fun trips too, um, I I
might've had one bad one, um,when I was a lot younger and I
couldn't even tell you like how.
I mean part of taking amushroom trip is experiencing
all the emotions, so you want tokind of feel everything.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean for sure, like here's.
My thing is, though sometimesyou don't want to always do that
, so you like eat a little bitless right you don't always want
to go talk to Jesus.
You know what I mean, like youdon't always want to Only when
you need to.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You don't always need to contemplate and understand
your place in the universe andeverything in all existence.
You don't have to do that everytime.
Sometimes you just want tolaugh a lot and watch a scenario
rerun.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
But you bring up a good point about laughing.
I mean, obviously I live withyou and you're a comedian and we
both say funny shit all day,every day.
So like we do laugh a lot.
But I think I'm not sure whatit is about me, whether it's
part of my bipolar or my ADHD orbeing on the spectrum, but I
have a very hard timeexperiencing happiness per se.

(14:21):
And it's not that I'm neverhappy, it's just that I don't
know if I've ever reallyunderstood it.
But the few times that I'vefelt it like joy, like pure joy,
burst through, other than likewhen my babies were like very,
very, very little wasmicrodosing on the chocolate,

(14:42):
the mushroom chocolate, becauseit was just enough to where I
knew I wasn't going to have to.
I knew I wasn't going to take atrip, so I didn't have that
like build up anxiety of wherethat trip was going to go.
I knew.
But it was just enough that likeyou get that wash over feeling
of like, just where you feelpeace and feeling good and like

(15:03):
and then and so like, once you,once it sets in, then you just
have that like, um, that's theclosest thing to like joy that I
in my adult life, I think, canexperience, and that's not sad.
I don't have a sad existence.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I know I mean, I choose not reality hold on.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Sorry.
I choose not to take chemicalpharmaceutical drugs for any of
my mental health issues.
That's a choice, so I handle itthrough self-awareness,
marijuana and, every once in awhile, some good shrooms.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Anyway, sorry um, yeah, I have no clue what I was
gonna say um, but uh, but yeah,no, but again, I mean that's
really putting a positive spinon things.
Um, those are some of the likegood drugs.
I mean, one could argue thatall drugs are good and so it's.
That's the weird thing it'sabout.

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It's like a dichotomy drugsareugs are good and drugs are
bad simultaneously.
Like anything that's thatbeneficial can also be harmful.
I mean, that's just all thereis to it, because even like I
mean now we're obviously nottalking about like even opiates
and stuff that causes wreakshavoc on society still have a

(16:23):
place in society.
Right, it's not like there's noother painkillers that, like I
mean, there is, but we'vesimulated based on what we know
from opiates.
They are opiates.
They act on the opioid system,even though they may not
technically classified as such.
They're just not derived fromthe good right plant, the one
that right, that's the otherside of the two is we obviously

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are sort of we co-evolved withthese plants, so our brains, our
bodies have receptors to beable to right receive these
plants and what they have tooffer.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like if we didn't have those things, we wouldn't
be able to those plans exist fora reason and I think, bringing
around to that story the otherday.
So I was thinking about theword balance and right as I was
thinking the word balance, Islid across the bathroom floor
and almost busted my head open,but I didn't and it.

(17:23):
And I was thinking about it forthis very episode, because I
think that's the key takeaway is, you know, all of life has a
balance, all of it, all of it.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Without darkness, there's no light Right, blah,
blah, blah, and I don't want toget down a really philosophical
trail today.
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
But I mean to your point those things come from
nature, they're derived fromnature, they exist for a reason
and without the balance andusing them properly, you're
going to have what we have today, which are epidemics.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Right, well, then too , but then there's also a
variety of other factors thatcome into play too.
But then there's also a varietyof other factors that come into
play very varioussocio-economic factors, pharma
companies, money, capitalism allcomes into play, like there's
so many factors that cause, likewhat we are experiencing now,
what you would say an epidemic,but there's always been epidemic

(18:19):
.
The only thing that changes iswhat epidemic you're dealing
with in terms of drug use, thatyou're always dealing with one
thing that's causing a problem.
Exactly, it doesn't matter whatit's, just there's various
other factors that determinewhat that thing will be that
will cause problems.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Like you know what I mean, and right now it happens
to be fentanyl.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Because, well, we all know the story between about.
You know, we all know howopioids got spread across.
Opiates got spread across theUS.
It started with pain pills,this whole big epidemic.
People got hooked and they wentto heroin.
Well, then they quit makingheroin.
A lot of people don't know this, but there's actually a few

(19:02):
countries where it's not likepenetrated, especially a lot of
europe.
They still get actual heroinfrom, like turkey and
afghanistan and stuff, or thegolden triangle in asia, and
it's still over there.
But, like the us, fentanyl hastaken hold because we're all
about cheap and they they don'teven make they, they.

(19:24):
You couldn't, you couldn't.
You know what you would have todo to find heroin right now.
Actual heroin, you wouldn'teven know there's no, but you
would have to be some richcelebrity that happens to know
somebody that brings it in fromeurope right you know what I
mean.
Like you wouldn't be able to goout.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Even then, I wouldn't trust it.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no but I'm just saying, that's not my point
right.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
My point is fentanyl replaced heroin heroin in the
united states and canada andmexico.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
So what you had then was for, I mean, heroin had been
around forever.
People weren't really dying atall.
That high eclipse up until thelike mid 2000s is when people
started dropping like flies,because prior to that you had
like a I forget what I'm justgoing to say.

(20:15):
We'll say 8% of heroin addictsthat would die of an overdose
from 1930 to 19 to 2000,.
We'll say Right.
After that it's like 40 to 60%.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's like astronomical because they
replaced the drug.
Absolutely, and so it's like,and now you have all these other
power players because, likeChina, which is where almost all
those chemicals and stuff comefrom this is what I mean by
there's all these like superdrugs are played at an extremely
high level.
You know what I mean the utmostof the drug game.

(20:56):
This is the highest things ofgovernment, the leaders of the
countries that make up thatright and it's not a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
This is well documented.
You can get out rabbit holeslike the cia's.
Yeah, you can go, do?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I'm not here to argue your case about how the cia has
been involved in drugtrafficking since the 1960s
right we have plenty of timeswhere they're like, oh no, we
not doing that.
Then you find out 40 years lateroh yeah, they were doing that.
So like there's no and it's notlike the CIA is dealing drugs.

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In some cases I believe thatthey were directly involved, but
most of the time it'sinternational politics.
It's this country is pittedagainst this country.
We want to's.
This country is pitted againstthis country.
We want to support this country, so we're going to shut down
this country's drug trade overhere so that this country can
get more money right and youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
So it's all orchestrated by the government,
but their hands aren't as dirtyas everybody else and all that
stuff back in the 80s withcocaine and all that jazz.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
There's plenty of tv shows about it go and all that
stuff back in the 80s withcocaine and all that jazz.
There's plenty of TV showsabout it.
Go watch.
But that brings me to my nextthing TV shows, movies.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
All of it, holy shit About drugs.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Let's keep TV and shows separate from music,
though, because that's adifferent category.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Okay.
So what do you want to hitfirst?
Well, you said cocaine.
So we got to talk about blowScarface, right.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, let's just start at the beginning, though,
like when they first startmaking drug movies.
They've been making moviesabout drug use.
You've seen it like whetherthey just mention it as a
reference or whatever.
But then, like when you get tothe one I said earlier about the
golden age, you hit the nail onthe head right there.
I think that really starts withscarface yeah, oh my gosh, it's
.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I've probably seen that movie a thousand times.
No lie, love that movie, and Imean it's all about the aeo
right.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, it's the movie that really starts it off
as far as like.
Well, I don't know, though.
When did the French Connectioncome out?
I think later.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
No, the French Connection.
I feel like it was in the 70s.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Because Scarface is like 76,.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Right, you got your iPad right there.
Yeah, Scarface is like 76.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
French Connection.
That's a good drug movie.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I feel like French Connection was 72.
I mean, we could sit here andname a hundred great drug movies
.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Think of every movie you love that's about drugs or
TV show.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh, half baked oh my pot.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Movies alone are a separate category from pot
movies cocaine movies Likegrandma's boy.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I feel like I have Tourette's of drug movies right
now.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
No, I know it's like Grandma's Boy Half-Paked Fear
and Living in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh my God, Don't take me down that Hunter S Thompson
path, holy crapple.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
The French Connection was out before, but that's not
really, was it 72?
71.
Okay, but yeah, no, but I'mjust saying it was before
Scarface.
But Scarface was the firstmovie where it glorified a drug
dealer.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
The other movies aren't there.
It's about they're trying tobust the bad guys bringing in
the dirty dopers from Montana.
No, but they you know what Imean.
They're very much trying tocatch the dirty dopers, or these
kids are all whacked out onmarijuana.
They're in an LSD trip.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So what's that one, oh, pineapple Express.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Great movie.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
See you like that movie, me not so much.
I didn't think it was that good, like I just didn't love it.
I mean there are parts that Ilaugh at and I do love Pineapple
Express, the Strain.
It is really, really good.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
But as far as the movie goes like, I would prefer
the Night Before.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
That's a great drug movie.
It combines two of the greatestgenres.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's a drug movie that people aren't going to
think of Because it's the greatFirst off.
It's the greatest drugChristmas movie.
Yes, it's a drug Christmashybrid.
Yeah, it's a drug Christmashybrid.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Hell yes, but you can't talk about movies around
drugs without talking about whatwas that?
One movie that came out in the50s that Reefer Madness.
Reefer Madness.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, I was going to say you can't talk about drug
movies also without mentioningCheech and Chong.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Oh sure.
Who were the they?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
were the first people to purposely set out a movie to
be like.
We're going to show you how funit is to do drugs.
Yeah, yeah, I like, yeah, yeah,I like, yeah, hunter, but the
fear and loathing and people aregoing to be like well, he's not
a drug, yeah, it is, it's justa good one.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right, exactly, they're all drugs.
I mean because of their, theway that you use them.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
If you're hemp's not a drug, you were saying about
Hunter S Thompson.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh God, no, I just love that movie.
Scares the shit out of me Someof the stuff that he talks about
with the adrenochrome and the,but I do love that movie, like I
just love it.
I'm obsessed with HunterThompson.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Well, I love movies, like I love the psychedelic
stuff because it's like it getsso wild, like then you start to.
So, when you start to get intothe psychedelic world we talked
a little bit about it earlierdmt.
So then you have people thatlike so with, like you can do
dmt in multiple number of ways,but ayahuasca, of course, is the

(26:41):
one way to do DMT.
And the crazy thing is ispeople like all report seeing
the same things.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like these machine elves.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And like stuff that like and you start to wonder,
like that's weird dude, thatthey're all seeing the same
stuff.
It's like you're seeing behindthe curtain, and then you well
then you start to think back to,like when people are writing
religious texts and stuff,what's to say, they didn't eat
like one of these things.
Exactly, and that's how it'sall spawned Like is from the use

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of various psychedelic Pearljam Peyote Things.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Pearl jam.
Yeah, that's some type ofpeyote things Pearl Jam yeah,
that's some type of peyote.
That's what Pearl Jam is.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I didn't know that yeah, see you learn something
new every day man, it's peyotejam.
That's why I'm saying drugs areeverywhere you don't even
realize too, like how theyinfiltrate, like the language
things that we say I can't thinkof.
I should have got some specificexamples from America's secret
slang.
But like prohibition and drugsand alcohol and stuff have given

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us so much of the slang that wesay like in day to day life,
like drugs are.
You think about how much drugsare a part of our life?
If you include alcohol, it'slike.
It's like I said, it'severywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I mean it's wild how much it's a part of our
life, unless you're.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Amish it's.
Even they do it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Robin Springer.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, I'm saying nicotine, coffee, all those
things are drugs.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So they're chemicals that do a certain thing to the
brain, and that's what I'msaying.
It touches every single person,every single person.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I was thinking about something.
Now I can't remember what itwas it is the drugs that bind us
oh, I, just so we can wrap outon the wrap up on the movie
piece.
Just because there is a, I meanwe could just go on and on.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
We could sit here and talk about drug movies all day
long drug movies I might do awhole episode.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah comment, your favorite drug movie yeah comment
, your drop us a drop us a lineand tell us your favorite drug
movie but um what's your?
Favorite drug movie my favoritedrug movie favorite drug movie.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's what I'm saying, like I'd really have to
sit here and think about this.
I'm gonna say my favorite drugmovie.
It's so tough, there's so manybecause, like I mean, you're
talking about the heavy hittershere.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
It was Scarface until I saw Blow.
I know Scarface is up there.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I like Blow, but upon re-watching I still think I
like Scarface better.
Scarface definitely probably myfavorite cocaine movie, for
sure.
There's a lot of good cocainedocumentaries, though.
Shout out Cocaine Cowboys.
What's the one that I reallylike?

(29:48):
Salmout malguda those guys downin miami yeah, I love all of it
.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I know what you're talking about, but all of it's
good.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
The documentaries are good, but I'm gonna say I'm
gonna stick with.
Scarface is my favorite drugblow.
Blow is good, I do like Blow.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's on the fence for me, but just because I like,
actually I lie.
What Screw.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
What.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Let's back that record up Because we forgot
about.
It's not really a drug movie,but it has a serious drug
overtone to it.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Pulp Fiction.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Good fellas oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, that's what I was going to say.
Yeah, I wouldn't necessarilyclassify that as a drug movie,
but like it's hard to take it'shard.
Show me 10 movies that don'thave drugs in them.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like that are like popular that aren't a disney
movie, let's yeah, like not forkids or whatever right like um,
so much so, and I said so whenwe got married yeah, so the the
song that I introduced her tothat was our first dance song

(31:05):
was Do you Feel Me?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
by Anthony Hamilton, which he wrote for the movie
American Gangster with DenzelWashington, russell Crowe,
because they wanted to write itin the 70s, because they play it
when he's at the club in the70s.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Anthony talks about that in the 70s and they wanted
about that and they wanted it to.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
They used equipment from the 70s, all of it, to make
it sound like it was a song ofthe air, and it's a great song.
I love that song.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, it's a well, every time as soon as it goes in
I mean, obviously, because itwas our first dance like I get a
little emotional every time Ihear.
But it is an amazing song andScott actually introduced me to
it.
And what's really funny andcute and so true about that
story is when I listened to it Iwas like, oh, if we ever get

(31:55):
married, this will be ourwedding song.
We'd only known each other twodays at that point.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
No, I lie, we knew it was like three.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
No, we knew each other for a while, but we were
only dating for like three, fourdays when I said that.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
So um, and we did, dreams do come true.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
That was in our wedding.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
American gangster.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
American gangsta.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Shout out Denzel Washington.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, well, no, anthony Hamilton, anthony
Hamilton too, but they couldn'thave made the movie without
Denzel.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Anthony Hamilton would have just been out there
singing songs, like he alwaysdoes.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
He's good though.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
But that's what I'm saying.
There's so many movies that youbring into it, because I was
thinking like Pulp Fiction Ibrought up.
Yeah, that's a good one too,that's not a drug movie per se,
but it's got lots of drugs.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I mean, it's one of the craziest drug scenes ever of
all time.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
That is a that's iconic, yeah if you're talking
top 10 like drug scenes yeah,it's iconic them stabbing him a
thermon in the heart trying tobring her back from an overdose.
Yeah is wild yeah that's andthat's the first time they ever
showed anything like that, likein a movie.
You were like what the fuck amI watching?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, that was insane .

Speaker 2 (33:10):
You're like what is this?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
And Pulp Fiction is an iconic movie.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I mean, it was nominated for countless Oscars.
What about shows?
That's what I'm saying.
You have shows like Narcos withall its various iterations.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
My favorite drug TV show of all time never is Weeds.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh, weeds, I forgot all about that, that is
definitely probably hands downthe best show.
Nancy.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Pants, nancy Pants, I love her so much, she's.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I was sad when that show ended, though no.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I was really sad.
Yeah, it really was such a goodshow.
It felt like they were myfamily.
Yeah, it really did, uncle Andy.
Andy, I could rewatch that.
I love Andy.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
It's a great show.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It is.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I think that there is one of my top favorite shows of
all time.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
All time and I've probably watched the whole
series back like end to end atleast five times.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And it's not really about drugs, it's about the
inner workings of a family, butdrugs just are the backdrop.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
But you know what I'm saying?
I mean, it's all about herselfand me, but I'm saying that
that's not the driving force ofthe story.
No, it's about being a singlemom, like a widow.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
The driving force of the story is the relationships
that she has to build and theworld that she has to navigate
and the balance that she has tohave to find her way through all
that mess Right.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I mean, it's a really cool narrative on becoming a
widow and having to figure outshit to make ends meet, right,
regardless?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
And she's just also yeah.
Eventually it gets like she'sjust a badass.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
She figures it out and she's a badass.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
She is a badass, I Nancy Botwin, she is my idol, no
, she's not my idol, and I laugh.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
And then there's been some of the I don't know what's
the word I'm looking forthere's been some pretty bad
attempts at shows.
Also Disjointed comes to mind.
Yeah that was it's like whenyou're doing weed comedy, it can
it either comes across as superhacky and not funny right, it's

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so like corny, like it's cornyor you have to take a sort of
different approach, like I don'teven know what the thing is,
but it's like a difficult thingto now it's a fine line to walk
right between being like stupidand corny about it what was that
duo though that was funny onthere Dank and Dabby or

(35:43):
something.
Dank and Dabby.
Hell yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well, dank's on SNL now right, he was on SNL.
Oh yeah, for like a minute he'snot anymore, chris, what was
his name?
Chris Redd or something.
Yeah, chris Redd, I think.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
And I don't know what Dabby's up to.
But See, that's the thing is.
There was things I liked aboutthat show.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Oh, Debbie's on that show Ghost Remember?
Oh yeah, she's one of thebasement dwellers.
But yeah, it was a good show,but it was a very half-baked
pardon the pun attempt at doingservice to, because Weeds was
more of a drama, it was a soapopera basically Right.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
There was funny parts in it.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It was a dramedy.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, it was a dramedy Very much what you would
think of in the lines of a lotof other sort of Showtime HBO
shows.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Like that are the hour-long dramedies where
they're not necessarily.
Well, I think too, with thisjointed they tried to push the
whole woke agenda by having herson be half black, and then he
was like right, there's a lot ofthings that are just like.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Can I just be honest for a second?
He wasn't black enough to pullit off.
He was like way too white andnerdy to for being half black
and I don't care if people thinkI'm racist for saying that.
Like it didn't give the creditto the character that I think he
could have been, Right, rightFor sure.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
There was another show I was just thinking about.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I don't know any other shows that tried to do
like the whole drug thing.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, oh, my yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I mean I'm sure there is, but I mean we, if you want
to talk about shows like that,like Action Bronson.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Watches Ancient Aliens.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
That's a great drug show.
That is a great drug show, andthey just sit around and smoke
weed and watch Ancient Aliens, Imean it's fantastic television.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I mean, raise your hand, if you've done that before
, guilty.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
That's why everybody that likes that show is like I'm
going to watch Ancient Aliensanyway.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
However, let's talk, because we're going to go down a
whole diatribe on this.
Let's talk about drugs andmusic.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
And.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm just going to start by saying that I was one
of the atypical 90s college kidsthat had the poster on my dorm
room of was it the Cypress Hillor the?
It was the Cypress Hill.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
It was.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Cypress Hill album cover was on my wall with the
whole, or on my front door at mydorm room with the whole
diatribe about the history ofmarijuana or whatever that was
yeah, it gives you the wholebreakdown.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, like I never thought when we were in school
that like weed was ever going tobe legal, like they talked
about it, like it might one daybe medically available.
Right, but I never thought thatwe would be hitting the drive
through like we're going tofucking McDonald's picking up
our order of eight vape pens andtwo ounces of weed which I love

(38:50):
.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I love that we've moved that far into society like
of doing what's right with theplants that god gave us.
However, um, do they have toread our whole order back to us,
because then I feel a littlefucking like they don't do that
at every place, so I feel like afiend but um yeah, they just

(39:12):
want to make sure that you know.
You know what you're gettingspeaking of which, shout out to
betty eddies.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
They won an award last month they are probably the
best edible that I like thebest edible I've ever tried.
They're delicious.
They're very, very tasty.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And if anybody from my work is listening, I didn't
do any of this, it's all made up.
I'm just trying to do a podcast.
This is all fiction.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
But yeah, let's go back to drugs and music.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Because not only do they talk about.
I think all music might beabout drugs and written on drugs
I'm pretty sure that's likejust the way music works yeah
like even the bad drug they get,like strung out on heroin,
writing great tunes great, greattunes yeah not everybody no but

(40:05):
some and uh, some of the bestsongs of all time are about
drugs, were written on drugs,are sung on drugs like drugs and
music go.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's like peas and carrots right, I mean you don't
have the blues without heroin.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Sorry, yeah, I think you do, because they were
playing it before.
That came later.
But um, weed you don't have.
Probably jazz, which then leadsto the blues.
Weed, I'd say, is a biggercontributor to that.
Heroin enters the scene a littlelater, in the late 30s reefer

(40:45):
but yeah, I mean um, but just somany songs talk about weed.
I mean drugs in general.
I said weed, but yeah, I meanmarijuana music that's the most
common drug that peopleobviously, because it's the most
common drug that people talkabout, but because it's the most

(41:05):
common drug that people talkabout.
But then, like so not only doyou have music about drugs
written on drugs, and this alloccurs like in the 60s, 70s,
because they're experimentingwith all these drugs, they start
to write about them.
They're becoming addicted tosome of these drugs, so they
start to then write about theseaddictions.
They're becoming addicted tosome of these drugs, so they
start to then write about theseaddictions.

(41:26):
But then you enter in the 1980s, you're introduced to a new
form of music and rap wherethey're talking about selling
drugs.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So, like then, you're even seeing it from a different
perspective.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Well before that you had the Narco Caritas.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, yeah, narco, caritas, which are songs about
you know, mexican drug banditshave been around since basically
the turn of the last centuryand were popular.
But that's not like what we'retalking about.
We're talking popular music inAmerica.
So the biggest thing aboutselling drugs was when rap came

(42:04):
out.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean, right.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I mean, you did have songs about people selling drugs
, but they were limited to likeone song, you know, like here
and there.
I just said that becauseWaiting for the man comes to
mind by one, mr Lou Reed, whichisn't really about the drug
dealer, it's about him waitingon the drug dealer.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Right Well, whose song is Needle and Spoon.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's Neil Young.
Yeah, that's about somebodydoing drugs though, right, I
like that song though, yeah,it's about so many of his
friends he saw, because I meanheroin claimed a lot of lives
throughout music history I mean27 club so it's cocaine that
don't get it twisted a lot oftimes.
What gets them is actually notone or the other it's the

(42:54):
breakdown of the body frombuildup of no it's the speedball
that's what got so?
many of them because that's likeplaying with the.
They say that's like, you know,tempting.
I've never done a speedball butI was curious about it, so I
asked people.
I know because I'm not a bigupper guy, never was, but I

(43:16):
asked people when I was.
I asked the guy one time.
I said what's it like to do aspeedball?
He's like ask Jason.
So I asked this guy, jason,this was in prison.
Um, uh, I asked this guy.
He's like imagine being shot tothe moon at a thousand miles an
hour and then right when youget there you land in a soft bed

(43:43):
of pillows and I was likethat's pretty intense.
But cause?
I guess the cocaine hits youfirst, but now they do.
So the new 20th, 21st centuryspeed balls is meth and fentanyl
.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
So thank you because that sounds like a lot of
opportunities for bad chemistry.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Like if it was pure coca and pure heroina, then fine
even then you're playing assuch a dangerous game because
you're, you're, just it's don'tbecause you know.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
No, I mean obviously I'm not.
I like I'm just getting anxietythinking about that.
But right I do love a goodupper.
I mean, if we're being goingfull-on on confessional here, I
tried crack in like the mid-90s.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I hate crack.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I mean, I tried it a couple times, but I didn't
really care for it.
I tried Coke before and I likethe up feeling.
I don't like the down feeling.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I also don't like all the stuff that they use in it.
You know what I mean that.
Well, nowadays you don't know,which is basically why I got out
of the drug game right it's notthe only reason I said that
like that's it, that's what gotme.
No, but I have a joke about thisthat none of our drugs like
that's where I'm an old timer,like can't we just go back to

(45:02):
the good old drugs coke, coke,crack, smack and whatever Right,
because it's like these newdrugs, these like where it's
like they're just playing gameswith governments, where they're
like oh, it's not, it's just onechemical off of this, one
chemical off of that.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And it's like you have all these things that are
made.
There's too many opportunities,like you said, for things to go
wrong.
If I am just smoking a plant oryou know something like that,
there's very little things beingdone to this thing to use it,
but all these processes, you'retrusting somebody to be a
chemist right right you'retrusting some mexican in the

(45:41):
middle of the Mexican, in themiddle of the mountains, in the
middle of fucking nowhere.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
With 55-gallon drums, one-gallon gas, can a couple
chemicals Right?
You're trusting him to makeyour drug that you're going to
put in your body.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah and fuck that, because I barely trust the
people that make my food at thecompany.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I don't trust the people that make drugs in a lab
Right, Let alone a lab in thefood at the company.
I barely.
I don't trust the people thatmake drugs in a lab Right.
Let alone a lab in the middleof the woods.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
All there is to it.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Okay, now I mean are there people who make drugs from
scratch that are brilliant?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
And trustworthy.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
There are, there are, yeah, for sure, that's some of
the people that like Hamiltontalks to in his show.
Yeah, for sure, that's some ofthe people that Hamilton talks
to in his show.
Yeah, is these people that arelegit chemists that wanted to
push the human mind experienceforward, true psychonauts, and
experiment with these sort ofdifferent, you know, 2cb or

(46:41):
stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
That fascinates me, though, I mean so.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
we watched a documentary one time on how the
pharmaceutical drug Ambien wasactually helpful to people off
label Remember it was wakingpeople up from like comas, year
long comas.
This was real and legit.
Like these people were likeimmobile, for and they don't
even here's the kicker they hadno clue why it worked.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
They don't know why they had no idea.
Well, the one gentleman had hada stroke and he had aphasia and
his tongue didn't work and hisjaw didn't work and after he
took the Ambien um within like,and after he took the Ambien
within like what was it like?
Five to 10 minutes he was ableto speak perfectly.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
He hadn't spoken in forever.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And it's just there's something Couldn't speak, and
that's what.
So that's why, like, I'm a hugeproponent of going down the
rabbit hole and doing theresearch of what the drugs can
do, but again, once they startto synthesize them for
commercial gain, I'm fuckingtapped out, like I don't want
any parts of that.
I mean not that I'm a chemist,but I do enough research in all

(47:52):
the healthcare stuff to knowwhere there might be like
studies or whatever.
And off-label studies arefascinating.
But can we just scale it backto the original ingredients?
Maybe that's why we can't curecancer because we've added so
many chemical additives towhatever the plant was that was

(48:15):
originally meant to help withthe cure or whatever.
I don't know.
I'm just speculating.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, that's what this episode's for.
This episode is a free formthought experiment and funny
enough.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
We are on no drugs today well I mean maybe a little
weed, but not anything likethat would.
No hallucinogenics, no eddies,none of that.
Just plain old-fashioned ditchpsych.
I don't even know what ditchlooks like anymore.
I haven't known what, I don'teven.
No Eddies, none of that.
Just plain old-fashioned ditchPsych.
I don't even know what ditchlooks like anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I haven't known what ditch looks like I don't even
think that's the thing about.
Let's talk about, since thelegalization of weed, the
quality.
Like you'd have to go lookingfor bad weed.
You buy it at the store Likeit's not, like you even need
your.
In a lot of places you don'teven need any kind of cart, you
just gotta be like 18 orwhatever.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
21 or whatever it is yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
And so it's like it's .
That issue of like weight, likeweed used to be the worst thing
in the world to try to like.
You could buy crack on everycorner, but when you're trying
to get a dime bag on a fridaynight, it was like me I'll meet
you at the big lots in an hourand a half and then we're going
to drive up to the guy's housetogether.
What?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
like how much of my life before the state surround
me legalized and before thestate I live in got medical, how
I mean it would be a whole fourhour long process just to get a

(49:54):
half ounce, to get us throughlike a week or two.
Like it was insane the level ofwaiting, driving people around,
stopping going, picking up theperson and going to another
place.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Ah, drug adventures.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And then fucking wondering if they're ever going
to come back out with your stuffwhich is another, or giving it
to some teenager who you thoughtyou trusted, and then they
don't come back for two dayswith your weed.
Like it was insane, like mylife was just full of anxiety
whenever I couldn't buy weed atthe store Because that's, and

(50:31):
that's a part of their argumentfor legalization.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Is you introduce all these other criminal elements
when you involve all this otherescapades to try to get
something?
You know what I mean?
No, but also talking aboutdrugs and music, here's a whole
other aspect up to it Music thatyou listen to when you're on
drugs.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Like I mean music and drugs.
It's a symbiotic relationship.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, there's two that come to mind.
One of them is my favoritething to do, which I've done
like three or four times, whichis to sync up the Pink Floyd.
What is it, the Dark Side ofthe?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Moon.
Dark Side of Oz.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, the Dark Side of Oz, which is starting Pink
Floyd with the Wizard of Oz onmute.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
A lot of people, gen X, have heard this but there's a
lot of people, tony Rogan, tonyRogan was talking about this
Joe.
Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe weretalking about it the one time
Nice.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Tony.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Hinchcliffe said that he thinks he does it once a
year or something.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, it's terrifying how it actually syncs up.
I mean, obviously you can watchit not under the influence and
it's still equally cool, but ifyou watch it under the influence
, it's just uh, it's it's trippy.
It's real trippy, real trippyreal trippy.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
It can be scary even.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
But I mean when I think about music that I want to
listen to, when I'm like really, really, really high the
Grateful Dead.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Ooh yeah, I mean again talk about a band like
that fully embraced their drug.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Culture, their drug love.
Yeah Like Right.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That fully embraced it and like wasn't ashamed or
didn't hide it.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
And I mean they had their problems with it.
I mean Jerry, obviously.
I mean you know he had aproblem with heroin and cocaine
and it killed him.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
So I mean that's the dark side of it, but I mean I
think that's a good time.
We wanted to talk a little bitabout my own personal battle
with addiction, which so I wasaddicted to heroin for like a
lot of years, on and off for asignificant period of time, and

(53:00):
I mean we went through it.
I mean that's all there is toit.
I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
And it's not like I didn't, it's not like I didn't
know, coming into therelationship, that you had had
history with drugs.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Literally the very first night that we ever talked
ever face to face.
I mean, I say face to face.
It's not like we talked beforethat, but the first night that
we talked we were at a party.
We were at a party and I justkind of went to sit away from
people, because I'm not a crowdperson and a lot of people were

(53:37):
already drunk when I got there,because I got off work late and
I showed up after the party wasstarted, so I needed to catch up
and I was just sitting kind ofaway from everyone and you sit
down next to me.
What's the first thing you saidto me?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
You tell it better.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
So he's like.
So a little about me.
I'm a recovering heroin addict,Literally the first thing out
of his mouth.
I'm Scott and I'm a recoveringheroin addict, like we're
sitting in an NA meeting, whichyou know, which I should be.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Truth be told, I haven't done any opiates in how
long, I don't even know it'sbeen a long time so.
The better part of.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
July of 20, or sorry, July of 2017 was the end.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Right right, I went to rehab the last time.
That's another fun experience.
Those rehab, that's a wholething in and of itself.
Just the funny things that yousee in there.
I mean just the craziness.

(54:50):
I often say that you go intorehab.
You either think one of twothings.
You either think, holy crap,like I'm nowhere near as bad as
these people.
Or you're like, oh my God, Ineed to get my life together.
I'm the worst one here.
That's when you know you needto change.
When you're the worst one atrehab, you got all the worst
stories, You've done all theworst things.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Then you're like, okay, this is probably, probably
the time yeah um and um, and II mean so I actually we were
married for about a year, Ithink, when you relapsed.
So we have been together forabout two years, married for

(55:28):
about a year when you relapsed,and I didn have been together
for about two years, married forabout a year when you relapsed
and I didn't cop on at first andthat's one of the things.
Obviously, when you're close toit, you don't see it as easily,
right?
So I didn't cop on at first,and that made me really
irritated with myself, because Ilike to think that I can figure
shit out easily and that I'mnot easily duped and then I was,
so that was really frustratingfor me, but there was a lot of

(55:53):
wild shit that happened throughthat too.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Like a lot of wild shit, because it's like, well,
because.
And then the other side of ittoo is like with an addiction to
opiates.
It's such a physical addictionthat it's very hard to break.
It's has such a hold on you interms of the physical addiction
that even if you want to stop alot of times, you can't.
You're just bound by it.
You're like a slave to it.

(56:16):
Right Like you can't escape it.
Right, I mean you can, but it'slike it's not cut and dry, it's
not just okay, this is it.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Right and and growing up and and even into my
thirties, I had known a lot ofpeople who I understood were
addicted to drugs.
But I'd never, like, reallyexperienced a drug addiction
until you relapsed.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
And um, so it was new to me and I didn't know what to
expect.
Or, and the further along itwent, the more I understood,
right, that you would have tohit rock bottom, and that meant
me taking my support away, whichwas a struggle for me because,
like the person that I fell inlove with I knew had to still be

(57:08):
there during that addiction but, I, couldn't find him and it
was really weird because Icouldn't reconcile in my brain
that there were two differentbeings living in the same body.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Right, which is so weird now because even like
talking about it, it feels soit's so distant.
At this point it feels like alifetime ago.
A lifetime ago.
Yeah, Because it's just soweird, Like once you get out of
that fog.
Now I like to say that I'mPennsylvania sober, so it's just
icy light and fentanyl for me.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
He loves None of the hard stuff.
No he does not do that.
That's a joke.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
That's a joke that I do because people say California
sober and they're like I smokeweed and drink and I'm like,
well, fuck it, I'm Pennsylvaniasober.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I see light in fentanyl which actually kills
when he does it at comedy shows.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
But no, it's just funny because it's like you know
, I'm a big proponent because,like, obviously I still drink, I
still do smoke in this made upcharacter that I'm doing right
now.
But the thing about it is it'slike everybody has to find what

(58:17):
works for them, like some peoplehave to go the route of like
nothing.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Like some people have to do whatever, but like this,
like talking about rehab.
Rehab, this one shot, cut anddry way of doing things, doesn't
work.
This, our treatment like system, is so broke down in this
country like I argue that rehabis almost pointless because it

(58:44):
is pointless in the sense ofright, but there has to be a
place that people can turn tofor help.
Because sometimes you need tobe able to deal with the
physical aspect of it andthey're able to manage that
through like Suboxone and stufflike that.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Agree.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
That, I think, is the vital, necessary part.
Medical what do they call it?
Medically assisted detox, detoxthat I believe in
wholeheartedly.
However, the rehab part.
Now I'm saying some people doneed that counseling, some
people need that talking.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
No, not some people, every single person who has an
addiction of any kind, and I'vesaid this a million times over
Even if you break the addiction,you are not recovered without
figuring out the reason why youbecame addicted to begin with.
And not everybody likeespecially with opiates.
A lot of people just happen toslip into it through like an

(59:39):
injury, like I get that.
But most people become addictsbecause they're seeking
something that they can't fit.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Right.
But my point, though, is tobreak the cycle of addiction.
You don't necessarily needcounseling, and I'm going to
tell you why, because wheneveryou're meeting all these people,
anytime you meet somebody thatlike quit for good, they all
have the same story.
I knew this was the last time Iknew this happened, this
happened, this happened, and Inever did it again.
I knew in my heart that thiswas I was never going to do it.

(01:00:11):
I was going to do whatever ittakes.
You hear this time and timeagain.
So, if your mind's made up andyou're going to do it, you're
going to do it regardless of thecircumstances, regardless of
whether or not you go to rehab,regardless of whether or not you
get treatment, you're going todo it.
If you have made up your mindto do that and that's the story
that I've heard a thousand timesover.

(01:00:32):
And then, for the people thataren't ready, if you try to do
it when you're not going to doit, you're not going to do it
Like you're not no amount.
If you're not ready, no amountof rehab is ever going to get
you to the point where you'reready.
So it's like so that again itgoes down to this so we need a
new form of treatment.
You know what I mean, like anew way of approaching it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I should say because, like, none of that stuff is
inherently bad, but because it'sbecome a for-profit system,
people make money off of it.
They want you to be involved init every step of the way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
But there comes a certain point where most people
you just have to move on.
You can't keep dwelling on itor you're only going to keep
reliving it right, that'sexactly it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Some people need, like the ongoing, have to go to
na, and I don't knock that atall like do what you got to do,
if that's right whether it'schurch based or whether it's,
you know um, sciencebased, whereyou're going to psychology only
, or whatever the case may be.
Do what you need to do to getbetter.
I'm all for that, right.
Do what works for you, what I'mnot for are these fucking

(01:01:42):
broken systems of blowing smokeup people's ass, knowing that
the recidivism rate is so highand still?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Right, it's great If it works for you.
Great, it does work for somepeople.
But the problem is it doesn'twork for everybody and there's
other we need.
We don't need a one size fitsall approach.
We need to incorporate all thedifferent things that work for
different people, because it'sjust kind of like the education
system you can't educate peoplethe same way.

(01:02:10):
Exactly, and it just, it's adifferent form of education.
You can't get these peoplebetter, all this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Because, again, not everybody is an addict for the
same reason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
And once you become addicted until you know that
you've absolutely hit rockbottom.
Or maybe you don't ever want toget there, but to your point
you have to kind of know in yourbrain that you're done and how
do?
You get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Not everybody gets there the same way or at the
same time and everybody thatI've talked to like experience
the same thing that I experience, and they experience it in
different ways, but they allrefer back to one moment where
it's like a light, a switch getsflipped, and you know that you

(01:02:55):
at that moment decide that theconsequences of you doing
whatever are not what.
You don't want to deal with,that any longer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Like you're tired of dealing with that and so you
know at that moment that you'renever going to do that again.
Like you're tired of dealingwith that and so you know at
that moment that you're nevergoing to do that again.
Like your mind is made up.
It's like a switch flips andit's done.
And everybody that I've talkedto talks about that day when
they knew and could it be abattle still after that?
Sure.
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I'm not saying that just instantly.
Everybody that stopped juststopped one day and that's that
For many people it's a manyyears battle, but it's many
years battle to get to thatmoment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Do you know what I mean?
That moment happens in aninstant and it's isolated.
But everybody that I talk tohas that moment.
So how do you get people to?
That moment is the question.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I mean, how do you get people to that moment, right
?
I mean, how do you and I usedto become?
I was frustrated with literallyevery person in our circle
because when you were an addict,there were so many people that
only wanted to see the good inyou, but that good wasn't
present.
The good in you, but that goodwasn't present, right, a lot of

(01:04:14):
the times in the moment.
But so, like I would cut youoff.
But then you would find othermeans, through other people, of
money and you know, whatever youwere doing to get the money for
the drugs at the time, itdidn't matter what I did or
didn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Like that, that's kind of the other thing.
Right, a drug addict is goingto find a way, whether or not
you like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
And that was really hard for me because it felt like
, no matter how normal I triedto make the home, no matter how
stable I tried to make the home,that whatever, no matter how
much I thought that you loved me, that was really, really hard
for me was to come to grips withthe fact that it didn't matter

(01:04:55):
whether you love me or not Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
That all goes out the window.
Plenty of people in you knowthat go through that like that.
Stuff all goes out the windowbecause you're playing with a
different.
You're not talking to a normal,sane person at that point.
No, you're not.
You're normal, sane person atthat point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
You're talking to a brain that's chemically altered,
so it's not reacting, it's notprocessing information the same,
it's not receiving informationthe same way, it's not
outputting information the sameway, so it's a total breakdown.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
You're dealing with a separate thing that you're not
used to right and you can'treason with something like that
no, you can't, and it took me along time, through trial and
error, to discover that.
And, um, a lot of people ask meand I think a lot of my friends
and family who are close to thesituation expect us me, like

(01:05:49):
this podcast, to not thisspecific episode, but expect us
to tell that story of.
You know all the deep and dirtydetails.
I, I wrote a whole book aboutit.
It's already.
It's sitting in my basement ina tote.
Um, I'm very superstitious andso I never wrote the last
chapter, because I feel like thelast chapter just really isn't

(01:06:11):
written yet.
It's there, but the finalchapter of the story has to be
like the happy ending and we'rethere, but I'm afraid to jinx it
.
Right but that's where the dirtydetails live.
But all I'll say about it isthat when I was writing the book
, I wrote it as if Scott had twodifferent.
They were two different peopleand you almost not to throw away

(01:06:36):
the whole plot twist, but youkind of don't know they're two
different.
You don't know they're the sameperson through up until the
middle of the book, when yourealize it's a very good like I
don't know what the wordportrayal yeah, the book.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
When you realize it's a very good like I don't know
what the word portrayal yeah,very interesting portrayal of a
way to display the split of twodifferent people two different
people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I mean it really was.
And um, I mean people witnessedme on social media spiral too.
So, like everybody knew throughwhispers because you didn't
really have social media at thetime Um, everybody knew through
whispers that well, throughloudness on my side of the

(01:07:19):
family and whispers on your sideof the family, that Scott was
going through an addiction, but,um, but what people were really
seeing was me viral on socialmedia into a nut job, like a
pure nut job.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
How it ripples out through families and all that
stuff, right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
But let's, because I don't want to make this a really
sad and sad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
No, I know Like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I said the whole story is out there.
One day I'm going to publish it.
But I love your story aboutwhen you finally were done, that
whole little adventure that youtook.
But I want to preface that bysaying that probably two weeks
before you were done done, wewere driving up a mountain two

(01:08:15):
lane highway route 40 inMaryland, coming from back from
Frederick, and I was so donethat I tried to steer our
vehicle into an oncoming semicoming down a too late.
The semi was coming down themountain and I was going to kill
us both because I had just hadthe shits of the whole thing

(01:08:37):
Right and I think that was kindof like the catalyst.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, that led into Right.
We like it that it blew up andthen it went into the thing and
then I had my moment, which wasJerry Garcia saved my life.
Jerry Garcia, my grandma andheaven, and they saved my life
and that's all there is to.
I was out in the woods.
It was a spiritual experienceby yourself, yeah, by myself

(01:09:02):
crazy, delirious, going throughwithdrawal.
Very weird, but and like I said, that's, that's what happened
what do you have with you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
like a pack of cigarettes a bottle of water and
a bud.
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
I don't know what I had with me um, it was like
nothing, but yeah, no I was justin the woods, um, but uh, but
yeah, and then I just like hadsome like I don't know if you
call them hallucinations orwhatever Some like visions and
like it would just.
But like I knew from thatmoment on that I was good, like

(01:09:34):
I wasn't going to fuck aroundand touch wood, he's been good.
Yeah, no, it's not even a partof my.
I don't even consider it athing.
That's like it's completelybroken that part of whatever
Like, because it's just like,it's just not some place that I
would allow myself to go again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
It's just right and like so.
I mean, the healing processafterwards was like speedy too.
I'm not gonna say like.
Obviously over the years I'vedefinitely had singular
meltdowns here and there, butthe minute that I saw your
personality like back, like Ijust knew, like I wasn't worried

(01:10:16):
anymore because I knew at thatpoint we're like four or five
years into an addiction isdifferent inside of you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
You can't.
You've shown these people forthe last however long that
you're a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
That you're not going to follow through on anything
that you say or whatever, andthen when you know that you're
going to, you really don't get.
But like you want to get, youwant to live because you haven't
been living for so long.
So like you want to get, liketry to get all this stuff like
fixed, because it's like you'vedone, fucked your life up so

(01:10:53):
much that like you want toscramble to try to put the
pieces back together right,because it's like you've been
out of this, you've been in thisfog for so long that, like then
, when you come back to it,you're like gee.
You got this huge messy housethat you got to clean up Like
where do I start?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Where's?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
the broom, because this is a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
That's exactly it, but I mean, but we did it and
that's it.
Took me a little longer to comearound than you would have
liked, but I do things on my owntime always.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Well, I mean, that's all understandable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
But yeah, I mean, and it wasn't the trust.
There was a broken trust, butit wasn't like it took forever
for us to get the trust back,because most of the trust was my
gut feeling about who you were.
And again, once I saw that thatside of your personality was
gone, like it was easy for me totrust you.

(01:11:49):
But what I didn't want to do islet you know how easy it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Right Because.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I didn't want you to think that it would be easy to
do me again, which was likethat's the balance that I had to
find is, you know, fool me once.
What did George Bush say?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Right, but all right, enough of that crap.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, enough of that crap, yeah enough of that crap,
so now you guys know that yeah,you know about that.
Yeah, so I mean it's a powerfulstory, though, babe, I don't
want you to.
It is a very you are one, Imean.
Your story is lucky because no,I consider myself very lucky, I
do not everybody comes out ofit, and you came out of it right

(01:12:28):
before a fentanyl hit, sothankfully we didn't lose you to
that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to end all
that, I want to get to the funnystuff.
So no, we were talking aboutlike rehab and like funny things
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
And just some of the funny stories that like happened
to me, like in rehab, some ofthe various things.
I went to new jersey rehab onceand came back with an italian
accent which isn't hard, becauseI got down there eating hoagies
and some pizzas and I went downand got a couple of pies and
you know hanging out smokingcigarettes I will give you guido
motherfuckers one thing thoughhe came back with a better style

(01:13:11):
about him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
He cared more about his appearance no, but I love
that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
So but no, it's just funny.
So then you meet like thepeople that like.
You meet the guy that like getsa haircut before he goes to
rehab.
He's like, and that's a realloser, that's.
You spot him immediately, likethis fucking guy had his life
together so much that he got hishair cut before he went to
rehab.
You roll into rehab.

(01:13:37):
I learned this after my firsttime.
The first time that I went torehab I was like, not high at
all, like I went in I wasalready withdrawn, whatever.
That's not how you go to rehab.
You go to rehab in the middleof a bender.
You get dropped off in themiddle of the night.
You like, you're loaded, youdon't even know where you are.

(01:13:57):
That's how you go to rehab.
You don't get a fucking haircut.
That guy was probably in therefor weed or something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
And fresh kicks.
Speaking about going to rehabfor weed, let's just talk about
this, because you did knowsomebody that was in rehab for
weed, oh my.
God, there was plenty of peoplethat were in there for weed and
we all laughed at them and madefun of them, yeah, and told
them to move on with their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
But the funniest thing, though, is the people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
That's the start of the whole victimization movement
.
Right there, Right oh.
God, I want to punch you in theface if you're right, oh god, I
want to punch you in the face.
If you're in fucking rehab forweed, yeah, stop, stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
You're getting weed a bad name, yeah you're giving
the people that are in there forreal issues, like the people
that, like I met, people thatwere like hooked on pcp oh I
once knew a guy that was hookedso bad on crack.
When he found out they didn'thave caffeine at rehab he broke
out of the rehab and walked totown for two, two liters of
mountain Dew and come walkingback chugging he was just

(01:14:51):
fucking.
He needed a jolt so bad that hejust like couldn't take it and
he just had to go get someMountain Dew Because we're out
in the middle of.
That's the thing aboutPennsylvania rehabs A lot of
these are out in the middle ofnowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
And you're like in a cabin in the woods and there's
bears and rivers and likethere's no drugs around, and so
if people like leave, I mean ifyou want crack, you're not
getting crack.
You got to get mountain dew andnot moonshine either just
regular old yellow mountain ummake you piss green the next day

(01:15:27):
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Mountain Dew yeah, um .

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, it's just like it's.
It's um.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
You meet some crazy characters at rehab, that's for
sure but you also meet like andI've never been to rehab, but
I've been to the psych ward,which is essentially yeah, yeah
jail, let's be rehabs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
These are all things where you meet characters that
you wouldn't otherwise mean but,you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Like it also gives you a deep appreciation for
humanity and what people gothrough because, um, I used to
have a hard time like beingaround people who I believed
were less smart than me until Irealized that there's different
levels of smart.
That's when I really became likea fan of the human experience

(01:16:18):
is like meeting people in jail,meeting people in the psych ward
, where you're like shit Againto your point, like I need to
get my shit together because I'mnot that bad off, I'm just out
here pulling off stupid stunts.
These people have real dealissues and still are going back
at life.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Not only that, but then there's plenty of people
that I met.
I'm like that's a good dude,yeah, Like something fucked up
happened that you know they'rein wherever you met them jail
rehab, whatever.
Something happened that,whatever.
But like you're like that's agood dude jail rehab, whatever,
something happened that,whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
But like you're, like that's a good dude just got a
bad break or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
For sure, like you meet people, like you get a, you
get perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Life is about perspective and the more
perspective you have, the betteryou adjusted you become what
we're saying is do a week injail or a week in rehab, or go
to a week in rehab a week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
If you want our life advice, do some rehab, do some
jail time.
No, it just gives you that,that life experience 48 hours in
the 5150 cell 60 days inwhatever you want to do whatever
you want to do 60 days in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
That's a fun show that's where gilded trash comes
from.
Is that's exactly so?

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
many people, some of the best people I've met ever,
where I generally so and I saythis all the time because of my
grandma we were the type ofpeople that rooted for the bad
guys in the movies, just likethey say in goodfellas.
We truly were that banditmentality of always working
against the system, whether thatdoesn't necessarily have to be

(01:17:47):
drugs or anything like thatright, but where you're always
trying to get one over on theman right like that sort of
thing, and I don't mean the manlike necessarily like the
government right like you'rejust trying to.
You operate in a part of societythat's not forgotten about, but
sort of you know what I meanlike the underbelly and being

(01:18:10):
able to navigate.
There's a lot of good fun.
People in that world that aresome of the best people you'll
ever meet.
The realest I say this all thetime the realest people, the
realest people you'll ever meetare people like that, I mean
you're going to meet someshysters too, and you're 100 but
how are you going to know thedifference between a shyster and
somebody who's real and hasexperience, without experience
in both of them?

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Exactly, that's exactly right.
That's exactly right, and whatit is is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
It's a crash course If you don't know, and then you
go to jail or something likethat.
You find out real quick.
You learn very quickly.
It's a very fast educationprocess in the under world of
society yeah because they'rehard lessons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
They're not these little right, you know it's not
a six-week course on getting tolearn your inner self, right,
it's fucking.
Yeah.
You're not talking about yourfeelings, no, you're fucking
going through.
It's a street education, yeahit's a street education.
It's real quick and um I feellucky to have a balance of that.

(01:19:15):
I mean, I think that part of youknow, growing up poor um
enabled me to have that streeteducation on top of my, you know
, having a book, education andall that like I feel like it
gives me insight into peoplethat a lot of people wouldn't
otherwise.
Yeah, exactly, you just don'thave that perspective yeah, you
just don't have that perspective, unless and I'm still learning.

(01:19:37):
I learned today that fireexisted before forested.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, of course it did.
I thought I thought humansinvented fire.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I didn't realize that it could we discovered and
harnessed the power of.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
We didn't invent meanwhile, I'm over here
challenging people on socialmedia to uh fucking iq tests,
and I didn't even know that firewas around since the beginning
of time.
Like I didn't, right, you justthought that I thought, we, I
thought that one day took tworocks and that was the first
fire that ever was I really didright, no well that tells you

(01:20:17):
how broken the education systemis right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I mean you think you would learn, when fiery comets
were bombarding the earth forfour and a half million years,
that there was fires everywheresometimes I just I don't know in
.
In high school I was fascinatedwith english I wish I was
fascinated by anything in highschool, like if I could go back
now, I'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
I'd want to be a brainiac well, I was a drama kid
and a band nerd, a band geek.
So yeah, I mean, let's talkabout our very first experiences
ever.
I think I smoked pot, maybe forthe very first time in my
entire life when I was around17-ish in high school.

(01:21:01):
I wasn't a pothead in highschool, but I did smoke pot in
high school, like my senior year.
Not in the high school, miss d,if you're listening.
I didn't smoke in the highschool.
Oh wait, maybe I did.
Did any of us smoke in theauditorium up in the second?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I remember when chad came to um school high as a kite
on marijuana or no lsd and satbehind me in class and was
tripping balls like I rememberone time that I took a bunch of
ambien and drank wine and wasrolling around the floor with
the neighbor kid because wethought we were a bowl of
spaghetti oh my god, I love itum, I love it.

(01:21:45):
I mean I.
There's so many.
I don't even so many ridiculousones, I mean.
None really come to mind,though, but like I mean the
first time I smoked, I rememberwhere I was.
I was working on a farm and Iwas about 14, and we were eating
watermelon and smoking weed ona hot summer day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
You were in the Mexicans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
No, not a Mexican.
Another kid my age.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
I'm not being a smartass.
He did work on a farm withMexicans.
He's a couple years old.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
No, no, I did work with a lot of Mexicans.
They were always fascinated bydrugs.
They'd be like, ah, they didn'tspeak any English, but they'd
be like, ah, cocaine, ah,cocaine, ah.
I'd be like I'm 15 years oldand they'd be like how much
porpoise in chain buttersburgI'm like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
I never bought it, so I can't tell you bub um, what
about, uh, the first time I everdid lsd.
I think I was 19, yeah that'sprobably somewhere in that scene
.
It was right after it was thesummer after I had Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
I watched a bunch of Scooby-Doo, made a bunch of food
that I didn't eat, but yeah,the main thing I remember was
being really fast.
I watched the movie Flubber.
That sounds fun, but I justwatched a bunch of movies
because like and it was justwhat was on vhs, like um at my

(01:23:13):
friend's house and um he hadlike younger brothers and
sisters and stuff.
There was a bunch mostly likecartoon stuff and whatnot.
But I remember I watchedscooby-doo and flubber.
Not scooby-doo the like liveaction, but Scooby-Doo like
cartoons, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
The first time I ever did it, me and my best friend
went puddle jumping and I can'tsay her name because she has a
good job and I don't want to gether in trouble, but we went
puddle jumping in the rain andran around Sierra Foss.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
And the first time that I did mushrooms.
I don't even know when.
The first time I ate mushroomswas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I know I've done mushrooms so many times, I
couldn't even tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Probably in my early 20s.
I did acid before I didmushrooms.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
One of my most favorite mushroom trips in the
last couple years was when wewatched Super Mario Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Super Mario Brothers was great on mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Fantastic, because the visuals in that movie are
already fantastic yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Mushrooms.
You want a good visual.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
A good visual representation, also the time
that we sat there and watched.
Saturday night library runs.
Remember when we ate thechocolate bar just laughing
hysterically on old SNLs allthose old SNLs with not old SNLs
, snls, all those old SNLs withnot old SNLs but SNLs from like
2007 to like 2013.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
When they had.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Jason Sudeikis, Andy Samberg, Kristen Wiig, all the
Kenan.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
The best cast ever, arguably the best of like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I can make the case to anybody that that was the
best cast, yeah agree, billHader Agree oh.
God I love that was the bestcast.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah, agree.
Bill Hader Agree.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Oh God, I love him, will Forte.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
That other guy that did MacGruber.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
There was just so many.
That's what I'm saying.
Even the bad ones were good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Right, like it wasn't like that, and they've all been
in stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I think that about wraps it up, though, don't
you think?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Normally we do a on the outro.
Scott always does a littlequote.
Yeah, I'm going to, but I thinkthis time we should do a
professional recording of Shouldhave Been a Pothead oh, my Toby
Keith song.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Yeah, we'll leave that on there, so we'll give you
a little preview.
There's a dispensary inCumberland, maryland, that we go

(01:25:45):
to.
It's called Grow West, that's avery good dispensary.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
It's the best dispensary.
It's absolutely the bestdispensary.
I've never seen a dispensarybetter.
No, um, oh.
Before you get into that, canwe just say that while we were
in the drive-thru the other week, we were talking about how, if
you took the customer service,oh yeah, the customer service.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
How happy the people are that work at weed shops.
They're the friendliest people.
If you took the customerservice of weed shops mixed with
the efficiency of a Chick-fil-Adrive-thru system, you could
conquer whatever business you'retrying to be in, absolutely, if
you copy that model.
You want your employees ashappy as the people at the weed

(01:26:21):
shop and as efficient asChick-fil-A Done.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
You're going to be successful.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That is the template for the best business.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Whatever you're doing .

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yes, anyways, so back to your song.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
So, Grow West?
Yeah, Grow West is a dispensaryin Cumberland, Maryland, and
the first time that I heard itToby Keith's song should have
been a cowboy.
He says go west, young man, andI thought of Grow West, young
man and I wrote this song aboutit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
All right guys.
That's a wrap on Episode 8.
And on Episode 9, we are goingto be bringing you all things
Thanksgiving in our crazy-assfamilies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Stuffing families.
Turkeys hunting traditions,sleeping traditions, football
traditions, pie traditions.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
You can't talk about Thanksgiving without the Macy's
Day Thanksgiving parade youcan't talk about Thanksgiving
without talking about BlackFriday.
Oh that's a good one.
I don't go to that.
I don't participate in thatritual.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
We don't either, but we'll still talk about it,
because when I was a child, Iwas frightened of Black Friday.
It sounds like a very scaryholiday.
It does.
We'll get to that anyway.
Peace out, peace.
I should have been a pothead.
I should have learned to smokeand drive, packing my one hitter

(01:27:47):
, getting real stoned on amountain ride, taking those big
bone rips Just like Cheech andChong, singing those Willie
Nelson songs.
Oh, I should have been apothead.
I should have had my own stringWith a funny name Running wild

(01:28:09):
through the town selling MaryJane, and it ended up in a bit
of danger, got my door kicked inby the Texas Rangers.
Grow west, young man.
Haven't you been told ourdispensary's filled with
Acapulco gold?

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