Yinz Didn't Move the Bodies!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are rolling.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
So last week we talked about true crime and it
was actually a pretty funepisode.
I really liked it.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Detectives on the case.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm still waiting for somebody to write in and give
us some clues on some of thoseunsolved.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I know I'm waiting for a murder to go solve.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, I need a case to work on this winter A case
study but you know what weforgot to talk about in the last
episode.
What's that?
The fact, the absolute factthat you could have been a cold
case.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I could have been a cold case, and we can go into
that story right now becauseit's a good time.
We do have it.
It's on one of our what do wecall it?
The early reels.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, the early years .
The B reels that I wasreleasing when we were just test
recording random shit.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Right.
So first off, let me prefacethis by saying I only know this
story as it's been told to me.
I was too young to remember Ababy.
I was a baby.
We're just going to throw anumber out there.
I don't know the exact one.
We're going to say 18 months.
Is that a baby?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Were you walking.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I don't know, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So here's the thing yeah, 18 months is so.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'll tell you this.
So Matthew wasn't born andMatthew and I are two and a half
years apart, okay, so matthewwasn't born, okay, I don't know
if mom was pregnant with matthew.
Okay, that's a possibility.
Okay, but I'm just gonna guessI'm in the 18 month range
because, as we'll see, this wasall under the guise of a play

(01:39):
date, so I gotta be playing you.
You know what I mean.
Little infants aren't playing,right.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Right, Well, I mean okay.
So to give you like somecontext, Anthony was walking at
eight months and that's early,but boys tend to trend earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So we'll say a year.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
At walk.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, a year to 18 months, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
A year to 18 months?
That makes sense.
A year to 18 months, that'sexactly right.
So, um, mom is at the grocerystore.
Shout out the old Martins andWayne Heights where Tractor
Supply is now.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Um, and this is the early 80s, somewhere between Mid
80s.
It's the mid 80s because it'sprobably Um, and this is the
early eighties to mid eighties.
It's the mid eighties, causeit's probably 84, 84, 84.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
We'll call it the winter, the early winter in
January of 1984.
Um, no, um, mom was at Martin,we were at Martin's.
This is where the part getsfuzzy, because nobody knows this
, but, mom, you know what I mean.
And she doesn't talk about itAt this part of the story?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Did we ever ask her about it.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
She says it didn't happen.
She says it happened, but shedownplays it.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm going to bring you on as a guest so we can talk
about All the crazy shit I'vedone.
But I heard a more.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
both dad and grandma told the story, but both dad and
grandma have the tendency toembellish.
I mean maybe, but I still so.
This is but at the store onlymom knew.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
At other points.
Other people in the story areactive in the story.
So we're at the store, we're atMartin's Mom meets this lady
who has a kid with her, aroundthe same age, and somehow,
through one thing or another, Iended up going home with this
lady.
Ended up going home with thislady and I don't know.

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We don't know if there was aphone number exchanged or the
addresses.
I don't know the exact detailsof this part.
There was some vague.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Mom wasn't just going to give me to him with no
address.
No nothing, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
So she had something to go off of.
I think it might've been anaddress like a specific house or
something like that.
Anyway, I think mom did have aphone number.
The lady was supposed to callat a certain time, or mom was
going to call.
I don't know if, when mom triedto call, the lady wasn't
answering or if, like, the phonenumber wasn't any good or what

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the deal was.
Um, exactly you know how shecouldn't get a hold of her.
I don't know.
Mom called grandma reed and momwas uh, and grandma reed was
like well, you got to call thecops, lori.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And so she called the cops.
She was going to call thepolice.
Grandma hangs up the phone andsays we got to get that baby
back before Jimmy gets home.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Because your dad was at work.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Right, dad was at work.
So my grandfather, who's a bigdude, he steps into action and
they're like we're going to findhim.
He steps into action andthey're like we're going to find
him.
So I guess they heard on thepolice scanner that the police
were going to wherever this wasand I don't think they had an
exact between a combination offactors of knowing what mom said

(05:20):
and hearing what they heard onthe scanner, they thought they
knew where I was at.
So they're like we're going toget him.
We'll go ahead and mention thispart is that they were involved

(05:40):
in some kind of baby ring outof Baltimore.
So Waynesboro is probably inthe old days, down 140 to
baltimore um, you know eventoday.
So an hour 15 minutes, somethinglike that.
An hour and 15 minutes, hour,20 minutes, depending on where
you're going.
So there was some kind of babyring going on.
I don't know how they like putthis all together, but so my pap

(06:00):
and my grandma go to look forme and my pap stops in the
middle of the road, doesn't even?
I don't even know if he shutthe car off.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Legend has it.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Legend has it that he didn't even shut the car off.
Grandma had to hop over in thedriver's seat and put it in park
.
Oh okay, at least that's howI'm telling it.
I don't know, but I do knowthat he didn't shut the car off.
I mean, he didn't.
He probably did pull it out ofgear, but he didn't shut the car

(06:34):
off.
He just got out, didn't evenshut his door.
I do know that Didn't even shuthis door.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Middle of the road.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Middle of the road.
Car still running Door open Carstill running door, still
running door open.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Probably we need to paint the scene a little bit
better here for listeners,because mr reed was very tall
yeah, that's why he's a very bigdude.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He was a drill sergeant in the army.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, he was a big dude I never had the chance to
like six foot two he would haveintimidated me like big dude.
You know what I mean big hejust a big guy.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Just big dude.
Big, he's just a big guy.
You know what I mean?
Just big dude.
And we could sit here and talkstories of Pappy beating people
up in bars, but we're not goingto.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Not this episode.
Not this episode.
We have a crazy family episodecoming up and that's going to be
right around Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
These are all stories as dictated to me by Mary Reed.
Obviously, I've never seen anyof them in person and she was
known to tell some white lies.
So, regardless of any of this,pap stops, he gets out of the
car, he kicks the door in, bow,like fucking, like he's the cops

(07:38):
, you know what I mean.
Like BAM Kicks the door in andgave him the old Hogan boot to
the door.
Boom doors down, he walks in.
He says that's my grandson, youdirty kidnappers from baltimore
and that's exactly how thatverbatim.
No, um, but he did say that's mygrandson snatched me up, walks

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out the door.
By that time I guess the copsare getting there.
And uh, I always wondered too,sometimes we ventured this out
there.
Is that so like, say, pap andgrandma don't get there, what if
?
Or was I young enough thatmaybe they didn't even know what
I look like and I got switchedwith another kid that was pretty

(08:24):
close to me, which I know isn'ttrue because I've seen the
pictures from when I was alittle baby.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, but that's like holy shit.
I never even thought of thatscenario.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
But people could do that.
It could happen If you're youngenough.
I mean, I think I've seendocumentaries where that's
happened.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, I mean you look way too much like your
grandfather, minnick, right,right.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Obviously like yeah, obviously I'm definitely in the
right one.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But they grabbed the right one, pat grabbed the right
one.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, I mean, he wasn't going to make a mistake.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Especially not the age that I think that I was.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like if it was an infant.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
that's one thing For one thing your hair was like
bright orange when you werelittle yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, maybe this other little boy's was too
though.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Little ginger ninja.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Little, uh little um little, Billy Partley, that was
the other little boy.
No, it wasn't, you don't knowwhat it's called.
No, I don't even know Like.
Obviously I don't remember, butI would like to.
I wish I got Young Sheldon init how he remembers Meemaw's
brisket.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I know.
I thought your memory was likethat, but apparently didn't
start until four.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It started Well, so we're talking the beginning of
84.
By the end of 84,.
I was remembering because Iremember what I got that year
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I remember what.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I got that year for Christmas.
Oh okay, I got a big wheel, bigfoot, big wheel.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And I also got the undeniable I'm going to need for
you to dig into your archivesand pull out the picture that
corresponds with this so-calledfact that he remembers from the
end of 1984.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, I also have other proof.
I remember getting the CabbagePatch doll and I have the birth
certificate for that.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Did you get a girl Cabbage Patch or a boy Cabbage
Patch?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, you know what his name is.
I have the adoption certificatesomewhere in my papers.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Get to papers.
Get to papers.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Somewhere in my papers, harry Hawk Hogan.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Oh, you renamed him.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Actually that wasn't 1984.
That was 1985.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, my Cabbage Pets doll.
His name was Xavier Alexanderand I renamed him to Justin.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I can't remember what his name was Justin Trudeau.
She foresaw the future becausehe wasn't Canadian.
Canadian Cabbage Patch.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, but he did have a shock of red hair Curly red
hair, a shock of red hair.
I've been into gingers since Iwas five.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
You know, what I loved when I was a kid was
garbage pads.
Garbage pail kids when theycame out Because they had cards.
That's why I liked them tradingcards.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I thought they were disgust.
You know me, I can't.
I thought they were funny.
Some of them were funny.
I can't.
Oh, they gross me out.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't like gross stuff, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
So what are we talking about this?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
week.
Ooh, I got the heebie-jeebies.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Jeepers, creepers.
I got the willies.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I got the willies.
Ghost Dad, ghost Dad.
I did so.
I remember watching Ghost Dad.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
What year was it?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
1991.
No, it couldn't have been.
What year did Ghost Dad comeout?
Let's take a look, because youcan de-script all of this right
out of there.
Yeah, I know.
So you know it might have been90.
Yeah, oh, so yeah, I wasthinking backwards.
Yeah, definitely, I saw it in1991.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like I said, I was dead on.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Dead on, dead on, dead on.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
I was dead on because I remember where I watched it
so you would have been nine andninety one right, I was in 10th
grade right, I mean no no ghostdad wasn't on my radar back then
.
When I think I did finallywatch, it is whenever one of my

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older two were like young, likemaybe three or four dad and
linda would rent movies oh yeahright like, so we.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
So it was just every movie that came out like
eventually that was like a pg topg-13 we would watch right,
right, as a, you know, familyare when movie nights, saturday
nights no, if l, if Linda wasn'thome, dad would, we'd watch the
Exorcist.
But I mean, it's not like Lindadidn't know.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I'm not saying it like that, it's just Dad would.
She didn't want to watch that,so like Dad would watch stuff
scary movies with me.
Dad was actually on the.
He discovered Netflix.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
He discovered it.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
He was one of their very first customers and that's
no lie, Like he was within thefirst month of them debuting
their DVD exchange through themail service, dad was like on it
and they didn't even have thatmany movies.
You couldn't even get that manygood movies.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
You had to wait.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Because the good ones were out.
That's how small they were.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And so he ended up having to get this, because it
was like you would get freerentals and it was called Horror
Hospital, not Whore Hospital,horror.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's a whole different movie.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's a whole different movie Horror hospital
and it was like when I say Bmovie, I mean B of the worst
kind.
I think it's legendary and itwas terrible.
We didn't watch that much of it.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
We'll have to consult our B horror movie fanatics,
because that's not for me.
The main reason why I can't doB movies, though, is because,
like there's a lot of gore inthem.
Remember when the kids started.
The kids like watched HumanCentipede.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Oh my God, or what was the?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
other one.
No, let me clarify so nobodylike turns me into CPS when I
say kids, they were like 16, 17.
No they were 13 and 14 at thetime.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
No, I think they were probably even older than that.
Is Christian the same age asOlivia?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
So how old was she when we lived in Winber?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Christian was born in May and Olivia was born in June
.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, so yeah, they have 15.
15.
Disgusting in May and Oliviawas born in June.
Yeah, so yeah, they have 15, 15, but um but I am what they can.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I'm called an empath, so when I see violence on TV,
when I see gore on TV, my bodyphysically feels it to pain
levels.
So, yeah, I don't fuck withthat.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
What was the one where the lady had teeth in her
vagina?
Vagina dentata no that's whatthe disease was called, but
these kids are running aroundour house for a week talking
about vagina dentata.
Remember.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, but I don't remember what movie it was.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Was it Hole or something?
No, it was called, like I haveto know Mouth, maybe Teeth, I
think.
Maybe Teeth, I think it wascalled teeth Teeth Vagina
dentata.
Yeah, that is.
That's exactly what it was.
It came out in 2007.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And let me just tell you, the more that you tell your
teenagers you do not want tohear anything about it, the more
they describe it in absolute,fucking great detail.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Vagina dentata.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But what is?
What's your favorite scarymovie?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Right, no I can't say it.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I can't say it like that, but what is your favorite
scary movie?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Mmm, I mean, that's a little question.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Oh, you could do the voice, do it, try it.
What voice the scream?
Voice, are you crazy?
Oh, what voice the scream voice.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Are you crazy?
Oh, that's literally the linefrom the screen.
I don't know if I can.
Yeah, I don't know if I can.
Hello, no, I can't.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
What's your favorite I?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
can't do it.
Hello Sydney, what's yourfavorite?
I see it Now that sucks.
That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It sounds like an old man from Pittsburgh that needs
oxygen.
Old man from Pittsburgh thatneeds oxygen.
No, I can't Stop it.
I can't, don't do it.
Okay, what's your favoritescary movie?
So yeah, like, what is yourfavorite scary movie?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I don't know.
Let's see, I mean, it's so many.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know there's so many good ones.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And it depends on what level, Like I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I have one.
I have one.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I have one, absolute.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's the only one.
I could watch it every singleday.
I love it.
It still scares me.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Hocus Pocus.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yes, I'm terrified by Hocus.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Pocus Halloween.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Town.
Yes, it's so scary.
Whenever they all, I don't evenremember what happens in that
one.
I do love it, but those are ohmy God, I love all those fun
movies.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's Halloween, yes , that's Halloween, which is a
paranormal which is coming up,which is kind of why we're doing
this.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, it's all.
There's so much in this genrethat you could talk about like
movies, whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, which is probably why we're going to do
two episodes about this becausewe're going to forget enough in
this one that we're I have torun it all back and talk about
it.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I have an agenda and he's ADHD.
I'm ADHD, right.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
But we know so much about it.
There's so much about it whichwill bring to already talking
about my grandma.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Let's finish one subject.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well, no, I know, but I thought that was the very
first thing I was trying to leadus back to there.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh no, it's not in order.
Oh okay, it's whatever you wantto talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Right on.
So my favorite scary movie andI'll tell you this, you can come
right to there.
Thank you, no, so my favoritescary movie there's so many, I
mean just flat out scaryprobably Halloween.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That is a good scary movie Like just flat out scary,
probably Halloween.
That is a good scary movie Likejust flat out scary movie.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Now there's movies that I like, that I think are
scarier but for a wholedifferent, like psychological
reasons.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I love a good psychological thriller.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Like the Exorcist or something that makes you think
about something.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well, there's other movies that aren't even like,
related to paranormal.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
That are psychological thrillers, like
Crush oh right, right, oh yeah,I mean where you're just like
what um?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
what's that one with um denaro on the boat?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
cape fear cape fear right, right, but that's not
paranormal.
No, it's not, so we'll talkabout that another day.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
My favorite scary movie of all time ever is
poltergeist.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Oh yeah, Poltergeist, that's definitely All of it.
I think I would have to likemost things.
I can't pick a favorite andshit, oh, but I could do a top
five, probably.
And I might have some honorablementions, but yeah, no,

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poltergeist is definitely in mytop five.
That and I might have somehonorable mentions, but yeah, no
, poltergeist is definitely inmy top five.
That's why I brought that up.
Yeah, it's not my, is it my?
It could be my favorite, itdepends on the day, right, but
it's definitely one that I loveand I remember just watching
those movies as a kid.
That's.
The other thing, too, iswatching scary movies.
As a kid, we watched a lot ofstuff when my parents weren't
home.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Of course.
So like that's how.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I saw a lot of these and that makes it extra scarier
when you're 10 and you'reputting in poltergeist.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, yeah, cause I'm pretty sure that, like the first
time I ever saw the firstnightmare on Elm street.
I was babysitting my brotherand sister and we're all
relatively we're like all yearapart, not even um.
So that was fun, because that'sthe time that I tried to sneak
up on amber and scare and sheturned around and punched me

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right in the face.
It was nightmare on elm street.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
We were watching um, well, the dad used to do that to
us all anytime we watchanything scary, go to bed then
after the play on lingonore, thebat the hallway so, like dad,
would constantly be hiding likein one of the doorways or
outside the bathroom anytime wewatch anything, I would hate it.

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I would hate it and um, yeah, we, um, he would get us.
Good, that came from a long.
He had a long history of tryingto scare his brothers.
They all used to do that on themountain to each other.
I mean.
So I would say ExorcistPoltergeist, exorcist 3, which I
said.
It's not really a sequel to theExorcist, but it was written by

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William Peter Blady anddirected by William.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Friedkin, is it Blady or Bladdy?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Bladdy, I said it wrong Made by the same people,
whereas the Exorcist 2 hasnothing to do with anything.
They weren't involved LindaBlair's in it and it is sort of
a supposed sequel.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's horrible.
I mean it's just horrible.
It feels like horrible actingcompared to the first one too.
The.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Exorcist, because Blatty was involved, because
freaking was involved and thebook stands up too.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So the book is the direct sequel to the Exorcist.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Legion is the name of the book, for anybody that's
wondering.
And it is a great story becauseit's, like you know, the serial
killer that can jump bodies intime and all that stuff.
It's almost kind of like themovie.
There's a movie with DenzelWashington, john Goodman, where
it's like a killer that can jumpthrough bodies.

(21:35):
What's the name of that?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Sliver.
No, no, I know exactly whatyou're talking about.
Yeah, not thinner Something manFallen.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.
Not thinner something man.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Fallen.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Fallen that's a good movie that's fucking scary,
though I can watch that speakingof.
I can watch that but like, whenyou're thinking about
paranormal stuff, do youconsider so?
For example, what's that onemovie where they like
premonition?
Those kinds of movies youwouldn't really think of them as

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paranormal.
But that's the world that Ilive in, Like I, I have a very I
have a lot of weird theories onghosts and what they actually
are and it all kind of ties toenergy, Right.
So I mean mean it could all.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
it's all the same realm for me yeah, I mean, and
so it's like yeah, I meandefinitely, but as far as and
not so much movies.
But I loved books like stephenking, you know anything that was
related to the paranormal.
So stephen king, or like what'sthat other guy, dean Kuntz,
which is like kind ofparanormal-ish stuff, but that's

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all fiction.
But then I like nonfiction,scary stuff too.
Amityville Horror Ooh, yes,that book terrified me.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
That is yeah, I love that book.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
On an afternoon, sunday one day, sunday one day,
linda had all these hardbackbooks.
Mm-hmm, Sunday one day, lindahad all these hardback books and
it terrified me in the diningroom and so I would be, you know
, oh, my god, yeah, amity Vilharreally really got me.
But, yeah, but because of I hadthis love of all that kind of

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ghost, ghost and ghouls andgoblins.
Because of grandma reed,because she was just always
telling us ghost stories, alwaystelling us witch stories,
always telling us, you know, allkinds of stuff I love it.
Let's talk about ourgrandmothers, but but yeah, no,

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I'm just saying, that's how Igot into it.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
So well, and it it's flipped sides of the coin for us
, because my grandmother wasalso very into the paranormal,
but she died when I was likefour.
Five, mate, four.
So well, she was a legendarytarot card reader in and around
the community.
Legendary, legendary.

(24:04):
They even did a write-up in thepaper.
About how good she was yeah,the Somerset Daily American or
whatever did a write-up in.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
They're like there's this scary fucking lady up there
in Johnstown, dude, She'll tellyou your future.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
First of all, she was in Wimber at the time.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, there's a scary lady up in Wimber that'll tell
you your future.
There's a scary lady up inWimber that'll tell you your
future.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So what she did?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I picture her being scary looking though.
Um let me tell you what Ipicture.
She's very very, like a, very Ipicture like a gypsy, Like you
would imagine like a.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
yeah she was Irish, though she was half Irish and
half German.
She looked nothing like any ofthat Right, but I just picture
her like as like a stout lady.
No.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, a little tiny lady.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Mm-hmm, really.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Mm-hmm.
Hmm, I picture her more like alinebacker.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, I know All of her sons were linebackers,
that's for sure, but that camefrom their dad.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Oh, I'm not psychic, so You're not psychic.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
No, she was.
I mean, she did carry someweight on her later in life
because she drank right Heavily,Heavily, Heavily Heavily.
That was like her downfall.
But the reason what they wrotein the paper about her was that
one of her clients called herfrom California and was like um,

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I will choose to believe you ifyou can walk me through my home
and tell me what my home lookslike.
And my grandmother told her,down to the color of the
curtains, what her house lookedlike.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So it said in the paper.
I don't know Cause, I neverknew her, um, but so I grew up
with that kind of air ofmystique in my life where when I
turned like 12, right, and I'mstarting to get ready to rebel
because, remember, I was ananarchist when I was younger, so
then it's like that every bookthat I could take out of the

(25:59):
library was on witches andghosts and all of that.
Witches and bitches brew yes,yes, and I surrounded myself
with the friends that wanted tolike look into that stuff.
So it was.
I mean, from a very early ageI've been kind of really into it
well, see, so for me.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So grandma.
So I had two older cousins and,well, one that was particularly
not that much older, but likefive or six years, so like
teenager, when I'm like ayounger kid and like him and all
his friends would always cometo grandma and she'd be telling
them stories because they werelike going around exploring.
So I'm just like listening toall this, like you know and

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where you grew up.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
To be fair, there's so much paranormal history in
that area.
There's lots.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Paranormal history.
Welcome to this episode ofParanormal History.
Down the lane where my grandmalived there was a Civil War
soldier and he would walk outevery day.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Don't tell the whole story like that.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I love that story.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, I could sit here and just tell grandma Reed
stories, for like that I lovethat story.
I mean I could sit here andjust tell Grimal Reed stories
for you, I know, but the funpart about that story is, just
like murder tourism, we also doghost tourism, we do movie
tourism.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, we do ghost tourism.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
So we've seen the steps where the exorcist was.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, that's not really, though.
That's movie tourism, that'snot paranormal.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
No movie tourism.
But talking about paranormaltourism is we're talking about
this story that your grandmotherused to tell, and then we took
the kids up there to see if wecould kind of the Steelman's.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh, you're talking about Steelman Marker I was
talking about at her house.
Oh, I was talking about theCivil War soldier that was
buried at the bottom of the lane.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh, I didn't know about that one.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, so everybody kept seeing this soldier
multiple people and they'd belike who's that standing down
there?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Wait at the house that she lived in last or when
she was younger?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, no, she's lived on the mountains since she was
not down there, not in her homeplace.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, okay, so at her house yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
At her house.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
They, they would see it standing down like at the
lane or whatever.
And then so they went downthere and they were like digging
up or whatever, and theysupposedly, supposedly they were
digging up, and they got to alarge rock like kind of like a
marker, and then they heard Papcoming up the lane, so they

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hurried up and like covered itall up.
And that was that they also saw.
There was also a story atPenmar Park where her, when she
was a kid, her and Aunt Bettywell, because you remember, they
lived next door.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Shout out to your Texas cousins.
They lived, we're coming toAustin soon, guys.
They're not down there.
They'll meet us in Austin.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
They, and so the house that she lived in as a kid
, though not her home place, butwhere she was, like I'm going
to say, eight, when they movedfrom there to the mountain.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
And then the house that she the rest of the way was
where Chicken's trailer was.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
And then they bought that house next door when her
and Pap got married.
When her and pap got married,but her and Betty, when they
were kids, were down by Penmarpark and they were running in
the woods or whatever.
And they seen these other kidsand so they were like running up
that way to like see if theycould play with them, or
whatever.
And when they got closer theyran through them and they were

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like little Indian kids.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Shut your filthy face .

Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's what I've been told.
So they're at that house, theCivil War soldier at the house.
But then no, what you weretalking about earlier, steelman
Marker, which is legitimate.
You can go.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
There's an actual monument In between.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Waynesboro and Emmitsburg.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Waynesboro, blue Ridge.
Summit in Emmitsburg.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Like kind of outside of Fairfield.
It technically, I think, is aFairfield address.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Wimbledon.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon
, wimbledon, wimbledon,wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon,
Wimbledon Wimbledon Wimbledon,wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon,
wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon, wimbledon Wimb.
So there was a Native Americantrading post with this guy, john

(30:36):
Steelman or something or other,and they traded for a while.
Well then something happenedand they cut his head off or
scalped him or something, andthen supposedly he wandered
around like Ichabod Crane as aheadless horseman.
He was the original horseman andmy grandma said that you could
hear like you would see him andstuff like when she was a kid,

(30:58):
when she would be at hergrandma's house.
Now, speaking of her grandma'shouse, now her grandmother, her
Grandma Hall, the one whosehouse I'm talking about, grandma
hall was the one that wassupposedly like the source of
all the witchcraft, all thewitchcraftery and a couple

(31:21):
stories that I heard aboutgrandma.
And grandma hall was kind oflike your grandma in the sense
that she was very much known inthe community for being a healer
or whatever you want to call ithere's what's crazy about that
too is that and and we watchedthat documentary earlier on the
salem witches is that thesewomen were religious like my

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grandmother was devout EasternOrthodox.
Now see, that's not what they—.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, she was raised Catholic and then she converted
to Eastern Orthodox.
But it's the same thing One canget married, one can't.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
No, we were sinners.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
So wait, your grandmother Hall was not
religious.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
No, no, from what I understand— I thought she read
Bible passages.
I mean she— Bible passages, Imean she.
No, not that I remember anystories about that.
I'm not going to say that shedidn't, but somebody a bride
correct me, she might've beenreligious, who knows.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh my, oh, oh my.
Burlap family's screaming rightnow their family.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
None of those people on that side side of the family
ever were.
I don't ever remember that anyof them like being a part of
religion.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I never heard of that .
Now, the paps family?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
well yeah, but grandma's family, your paps
family comes from a line ofpreachers, right he was a pre,
his dad was a preacher.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But grandma's family I don't ever remember religion
being well.
They were like old hillbilliesman.
They didn't need that shit.
They had real problems.
They didn't have food to eat umnature was their religion well,
but that's what I was gettingat is, grandma hall was really
like a healer.
You know what I mean, and I'msure that they probably were
religious in the sense of, likeyou know, people say that

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they're religious in the senseof like people would say they
were religious today, whereasthey didn't go to church every
sunday, but right, I'm sure thatthey double click the mouse um,
I'm sure that they probablythey would never tell anybody if
they didn't exactly believethat, because that's not what

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you did back then, or whatever.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
No, no, no, but yeah, but no, I don't ever remember
they weren't like devilworshippers.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, no, nothing like that.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that there wasno real religious side passed
down there was no history.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Could it be that they were part of the ancient pagan
tribe that never acceptedChristianity?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I mean, they very well could have been.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
What's their ancestry ?
What region are they from?
Germany, there's some goodGermanic tales.
We're going to have to lookthat up for next time.
There's a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
They were Odin worshippers.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, that's where folklore comes from.
That's where a lot of that shitcomes from.
The fucking Brothers Grimm shitcomes the fucking brothers
graham.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
that's all fatty tales, yeah, um, yeah, german
mostly um.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
They were the yeah, my grandmother, that was my.
She was half german, half irish.
Magic, yeah, yeah that oldgerman they were from somewhere
in the black forest speaking ofold german magic, remember we
need, I need a cough syruprecipe and it comes from the
pine trees somehow, and onlygermans know how to make it.

(34:42):
And I need the recipe, pleaseand thank you, remember barb was
telling us her german mother ohmother made that cough syrup
and it was only when certaintrees were in season and it was
only certain parts of the tree.
It wasn't the bud, it wasn'tthe sap.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, so I want to go back.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Ancient German healing is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, I want to get back to Great Grandma here now,
before I forget this.
Don't let me forget people thestory that I'm saying.
Yeah, I want to get back togreat grandma here now, before I
forget this, don't let meforget people the story that I
remember most Now, like I said,great grandma was not great
grandma, great great.
It was my grandma's grandma.
So, whatever, that is Threegreats, yeah Three greats.
The greatest, it was mygrandma's grandma, the greatest
grandma I misspoke, the greatestgrandma I misspoke I apologize

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the greatest grandma.
How great was she?
The greatest?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
As far back as the greats will go.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Grandma Hall.
So one time this guy got in afarming accident Like a piece of
farming equipment, I don't knowwhat Some kind of thing Ripped
him up.
I think it was too early to betractors, so it was probably
something pulled by.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, but regardless.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
He had some kind of real bad injury to his abdomen
and he was like cut up, real badand bleeding, and she told the
people, like the other peoplethere, to drag him up into the
yard.
She had a peach tree there or apear tree peach or pear, I
don't remember which.
Definitely one of those two,definitely a pea.

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She also had a talking crow.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I want a crow.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
so bad she had a crow that talked and it would steal
thimbles and stuff and steal herthimbles and take them and hide
them.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
But regardless of any of that, I want to teach one to
talk.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, well, this one showed up talking from what I
understand, so somebody elsemust have had it trained and it
got away and it came to GrandmaHall.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's a little spooky too, as far as I'm
concerned.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Right.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
That's how powerful.
Maybe another witch sent it toher, right?
Maybe, yeah.
So anyway, this guy's cut upreal bad.
They drug him up under thepeach pear tree.
That's how special that treewas.
It grew peaches and pears.
Now, um, and she will likewaved her hand, she like did

(37:09):
something or whatever, and likewaved her hand over him and as
she took her hand over him, allthe bleeding stopped and they
were able to like get himbandaged up and get him to the
hospital or whatever, and Iguess he lived.
Yeah, she cauterized it with theheat coming out of her hand
With the heat, coming out of herhand With the light she had,
like a.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, but yeah so that's the story about her.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
There was a very similar story about Grandma
Barlip, but she read pages fromthe Bible to do her healing.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I think that's the devil.
No, I'm kidding, it's justfunny.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, I think that that definitely.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm friends with alistair crowley, so check out
his tiktok.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
No, the the most healing thing that I've ever
heard my grandmother had donewas uh, so the it's an old irish
thing and it has something todo with potassium.
But basically she took a potato, cut a cross into it I've heard
of this Rubbed it all over mymother's wart and then the wart
fell off, like a day later orsomething.
Oh, my mom had to bury thepotato, then Bury it, so I don't

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know, with her firstborn, andthen the wart went away.
That's how serious those peopletook warts.
I'm her firstborn.
That I know of.
So that's what you think.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Rumble Potato Skins took the other one.
You never met.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Sarah, Statistically it's a boy, so you never met.
My brother Nick Right.
Yeah, statistically it's a boy.
So, uh, you never met brothernick right.
Yeah, um god, I'm startingrumors, I've done all the dnhs.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Um, what were we talking about?
Oh, some healing powers of ourgrandmother.
Healing powers of grandmothersyes, yes, so then.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So I went through this phase and now I think I
want to get back in.
No, I'm joking.
So I decided to study.
My whole family is crazy.
So not Miami, mike, but myuncle Al.
He believed Al.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Bundy no.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Al Skaboski.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Al Bundy, al Skaboski .

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, Al Skaboski.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Al Skaboski.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Al Skibo.
He believed, firmly believed,and I probably have some old
emails printed out that he could.
What's that called when?
When you leave your body whileyou're sleeping?
Astral project Astral project.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, my grandma believed that she could too.
She told me some stories.
Yeah, I don't know.
I, you know, I take all thiswith a grain of salt.
I don't know.
I mean in the sense of likesome of the things are weird
that they tell you Like, so it'slike't know what to think right
.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's like well, and that's a perfect segue into what
I was about to say about allthat I got something on me, is
that?
So I decided to studyself-hypnosis and basically the
whole gist of self-hypnosis waslater revealed in three

(40:30):
wonderful movies called theMatrix one, two and three.
But it's like the power of yoursubconscious mind to hold
thought.
So you can think something withyour conscious, but your
subconscious could also bethinking at the same time and
you cannot do something that'sout of sync with your
subconscious.
And you cannot do somethingthat's out of sync with your

(40:53):
subconscious.
So when you're practicingself-hypnosis, you try to move a
ball and you're trying to getyour subconscious mind to as
much as you can tell yourselfall day long I can move this
ball, but until you get yoursubconscious mind to believe
that you're moving the ball, itwill stop the ball from moving.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And I've done it.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Like I've seen the ball wiggle and then, as soon as
, like my subconscious, kicks inand it's like that's not real.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It stopped moving, so it's so then Kind of like the
floor in poltergeist.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
That's exactly it, like it's all kind of
interrelated.
All and poltergeist.
That's exactly it, like it'sall kind of interrelated.
All the energies, all thethings.
I think they're all controlledby our brain somehow and we just
don't really know, right?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
that's the thing is.
I just don't think we have afull understanding of how
everything works right and solike something seemed crazy
right when in reality what didpeople think rain?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
was 10,000 years ago.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Water falling from the sky.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Right, but did they think that it was the gods
pissing on them?
They thought it was Jesus tears.
They did, they probably did,they probably told their kids it
was Jesus tears.
That's.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
God crying.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
God crying, thunder, god bowling, yeah Lightning.
That's God doing something.
He's angry.
That's God doing something he'sangry, he's angry.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You just sounded like Saul when you said that God's
angry at me.
What?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
else, though, there was other things Rainbows.
God loves you.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
What else?
Everything was God.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Until science had a definition for it.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, Just look at the gods of like older religion,
like you know Greek stuff andall that they have like a God
for everything.
Everything that nature doesthey had a God for it.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
And over time we got you know back to grandmas.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Back to grandmas.
Where were we?
Back to grandmas?
Back to grandmas when were we.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Your grandma was known as a.
She did the wart thing,basically.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Oh, that was the most healing thing she did was the
healing of my mother's wart.
But, like I said, she wasrenowned is there were people
who, after my grandmother died,there were people in my mom's
extended family and other peoplein my mom and dad's circle

(43:18):
because they had a lot offriends when we were younger
that they ran around with um,that all had a reading from my
grandmother or knew somebodythat had a reading from my
grandmother.
So like my hair is doing crazyshit, sorry.
So like my one, it's my, it'smy uncle's sister-in-law.

(43:42):
Every time she sees me she justgrabs my hands and tells me I
know you have the gift, grabs myhands and tells me I know you
have the gift.
And it's funny, cause like Ilike I don't like talking about
it, like unless I'm in a veryclose and private setting of
people that I love because I dohave some type of intuition and

(44:05):
I never honed the skills.
So it works when it wants to,it doesn't when it doesn't and
it zaps my energy because I'malso bipolar and partially,
probably autistic, so like itjust drains everything out of me
to do a reading.
But I love doing them when I'mon and I've been successful at
doing readings before I mean,you know, I've, I've, I've never

(44:30):
like whatever comes out of mymouth.
I don't like pre-think it, Ijust let whatever's going to
come out of my mouth come out ofmy mouth and sometimes it's not
made sense to the person.
Sometimes it's been sodescriptive that I've made the
person cry Like, and then I feellike a counselor, which I never
wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Well, I mean, that's part of what that is, though I
think that goes hand in hand.
You can't tell people abouttheir life.
You can't tell people abouttheir life and not you know what
I mean.
You're telling personal details, of course.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It kind of becomes almost like a um, like a therapy
type thing right, but theproblem with that kind of
therapy is that they a lot ofpeople walk in and they have
something very specific thatthey want to know about their
future.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Well, first of all, or going on in their life
psychics don't technicallypredict the future that's
clairvoyance right, it's is itno, I it no.
I'm just saying I don't knowwhen you see something that's.
Yeah, we talked about this.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, there's like different ones.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I should have looked those up,I know Next time.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I have the nose one Next episode.
So, like I have a hypers inhistory, one time I smelled your
grandmother in my car.
Well, yeah, yeah, that wasinsane and it was at a very well
, that's.
The other thing I want to bringup, too, is that, if you think
about it and they try to saythat this only happens with

(46:00):
poltergeist, but when paranormalactivity happens, there are
heightened emotions.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I was getting ready to say.
It seems to be triggered byheightened emotions, of any kind
, it doesn't really matter, likeit just feeds off that but you
can tie it right into the secret, which is my favorite book of
all time ever.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
And it's not because the people that wrote it were
brilliant.
The secret has been aroundsince the dawn of time.
People have understood thatpositive thoughts lead to
positive things and it's theintent behind your thoughts and
all this, that and the other.
But you can't get the secret towork without the energy of your

(46:40):
emotions behind it.
You have to attach emotions andfeelings and feel what you want
, not just say what you want,Cause if you're detached again
your subconscious, if you'redetached it, it just doesn't
work out in your favor or youget what you don't want because
it just hears the words theuniverse, it being the universe.
So all that wrapping around towhat we were just talking about

(47:05):
is uh, Our grandmothers.
Right.
Is that in in doing a reading,I'm getting the person's
emotional energy at the momentLike I'm feeling their emotional
energy Right and when I?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
you're reading them.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yes, and when I feel despair, it's like I can't even,
like, uh, I despair, it's likeI can't even.
It drains the shit out of me.
A lot of it's fun, though.
I like doing it when people aredrunk at parties because their
expectations are different.
They're giddy.
They just want to know ifthey're getting laid later.
Those are fun.
I can do those.
But if they want to know whatthe next five years of their

(47:48):
life is going to be, or shouldthey dump their current
boyfriend, that's not what Iwant.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Right, right, right yeah.
What the hell did I?
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I know there's so much to talk about.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
But going into like personal stories, I'll share my
one personal.
Like I mean, I've gone lookinga lot, lot we talked about that
a lot of ghost hunts, a lot ofstuff like that.
Yeah, I mean, and I've heardweird noises, had some weird
experiences, but nothing reallygreat, nothing that you would be
, nothing that you haven't seenon an episode of ghost hunters,

(48:26):
nothing so crazy that I'm likethis is you know unbelievable
right but so we lived inwaynesboro on south potomac
street.
We I had been here the one night.
I was home by myself and I waskept hearing this old-timey
music and I mean I lookedeverywhere for this and I,

(48:47):
upstairs, downstairs, in thebasement, I walked outside I
wouldn't hear it anymore, but Icould hear it from inside the
house.
I asked the neighbors if theywere playing.
No, they didn't have anythinglike that going on, but it was
like the old, like ragtime like,and the house closest to us on

(49:07):
that side of the house wasabandoned.
So there was nobody on that sideof us, so it wasn't like I said
, though when I walked outside Icouldn't hear it.
Well, I didn't tell anybodyabout it because it didn't, I
just chalked it up to whatever.
And then we were talking about,we were sitting there with our

(49:29):
daughter talking about she hadseen something weird upstairs or
heard something I don'tremember the exact scenario and
you brought up that you'd beenhearing old timey music, and I
started crying immediatelybecause I was sad, because I was
like what is happening rightnow?

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But I mean, we never did findthe source of it, but that
freaked me out big time.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, it was definitely like.
It felt like a party was goingon in the 1940s and you just
couldn't get close to it Right.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
There was a speakeasy in the walls.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Right in the walls.
Oh God, I love that kind ofstuff, though my scariest story
is a little tiny bit longer andit's the scariest one.
I mean, we all have a millionright, but this one is the
scariest one ever for me andthat's why I wanted to
foreshadow the whole emotionalpart of this.

(50:27):
So I was living by myself, um,with the kids, on North grant
street, and at the time I wasgoing through a divorce from my
first husband and we were likeon again, off again, because I
was young and stupid and I hadtwo kids Right, so whatever, but

(50:51):
he was a serial cheater.
So, he would leave and come backand he had the key to my
apartment, but it was myapartment, I was working, I was
paying my own bills, whatever.
But every once in a while hewould show up because that's
just what we did.
So but I was so angry andemotional and just probably had
some postpartum, and so thecharacter in the Mayfair Witches

(51:17):
is Lasher and he's like sometype of Slasher no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
No, I don't know.
No.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
But he's like some kind of demon or ghost or Right,
I don't even know what he is.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
He's an entity of some kind.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
He's some type of paranormal Otherworldly entity,
yes, or I don't even know whathe is an entity of some kind,
some type of paranormal entity.
Yes, and his whole thing isthat he, like, attaches to the
women in these, in this familyof witches, and does their
bidding for them, and that's howthe family is the worst, I know
bidding is the worst,especially if you got a demon

(52:03):
doing it for you.
buddy, so me being a dumb,fucking 20 year old, stupid,
naive dummy, decides that I'mgoing to call upon Lasher to do
my bidding Cause.
I thought I was a witch, soheightened emotional state doing
spells in my house.

(52:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All the bad shit, all the badshit.
So I go to sleep one night andum, anth was in his room and
olivia was in her crib, so likethey were like the entryway into
their rooms was like off to myleft, it was like just through
the next door, and then thebathroom was behind my head and

(52:47):
I'm laying there and I thought Ihad just fallen asleep and I
heard my door open up and Iheard click, click, click,
because X has been more cowboyboots right.
Oops, no, I thought I was thecowboy boots.
So X has been sit on the bed bed, and I was like you know what

(53:07):
this motherfucker is gettinghere a little late tonight.
I'm not even going to entertainhim, I'm going to just keep my
back to him and ignore him, likehe can just go to sleep.
Felt the weight of him layingdown on the bed, felt the weight
of them laying down on the bed.
I turn to lay on my back and Iam now pinned with the weight of

(53:29):
a thousand people on me, like Icouldn't move, I couldn't
breathe, I couldn't talk.
I was terrified and all I sawwas this black mist, but in the
shape of a human ish hoveringabove me.
Now they're referred to as whatnight paralysis or sleep

(53:50):
paralysis.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I mean, that's similar to what you're saying,
but that doesn't involveentities and stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Well, but so I was like.
I couldn't say, I was like andand like.
Just trying to get my son tohear me, by the grace of God, I
couldn't even hear my own wordssaying it.
He got out of bed, fucking,cute as can be in his little
pajamas, sucking his thumb,dragging his blanket behind him,

(54:16):
crawls up in bed with me andsays, mom, what's wrong?
I was, oh, jesus christ.
And then, like the thing flewup to the ceiling and was gone,
gone.
I've never been more terrifiedright.
And then for the whole nextweek there was a tree right
outside my kitchen window filledwith starlings just constantly

(54:40):
say it was tapping on the window, like no no, no starlings, no,
no, no Starlings.
And then, like a day after theStarlings came, there was a
whole episode on Ricky Lake ofparanormal shit and I was like a
Ricky Lake fanatic.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yes, nice.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Well, I worked in the evening, so like during the day
I like laid around and justwatched fucking talk TV all day,
yeah, laid around and justwatched fucking talk tv on there
.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
well, there was nothing else on.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I mean, the kids were young, they were like two and
three.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
So we shout out montel williams we would do
crafts.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
We would do crafts in the living room while I was
watching ricky lake and montel.
What up?
montel always had psychics onthere sylvia brown yeah, I was
obsessed with her and I was sosad that some of her stuff was
debunked.
I still feel like, again, thisis not like you can just turn it
off and turn it on.
Some psychics I believe arevery psychic and I think that

(55:29):
they get to a point where theyhave so much fame that they feel
like they have to be on all thetime and so they make shit up.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Right.
I mean, that seems right.
Both things can be true, Right.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
They can both be psychic and full of shit.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Right, that's exactly .
That's, exactly that's.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I'm gonna guess that psychics are like every other
group of people 90 percentfucktards, 10 percent good
legitimate, good, real deal, andI would venture to guess that
even tyler henry doesn't have100 successful readings every
single time.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
who?
Who could Right?
What are you doing?
Anything that you do.
Even the best football playersaren't good 100% of the time.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Every skill that you have isnever going to be always on.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Right, and that's why that's another reason why.
So I mean, there was probablyabout 10 years ago you were in
very grave danger of being thehusband of another Teresa Caputo
Cause I just walk up to peopleand start talking to them, never
telling them that I was psychic, but when I feel somebody's
energy that's off, I like to tryto make them happy or say

(56:37):
something nice or give like alittle, and a lot of times that
like I get like in return, likeI really needed that right in
this moment and I feel that I'mgetting a little emotional even
saying it.
But um whoo Cause I justremembered when this episode is
going to drop.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Oh, right Right.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Speaking of psychics.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Speaking of psychics, speaking of mediums.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Speaking of mediums specifically.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Specifically.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
There's a little tiny hamlet in New York State called
Lilydale, new York.
We first saw it on an HBOdocumentary.
Go check it out, it's on Max.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I think it's just called Lilydale, right.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, I think it's a town that formed after the
spiritualist movement back inthe like.
Western new york was very like,that's like where mormonism
comes from like all in the fromlike 1850 to like 1900, there
was a lot of like.
That's where the seventh dayadventist came from mormonism,

(57:43):
uh christian science.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
That's what they're spiritualists, that's what I was
trying to get.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, but I thought christian science was like
indiana or something well,they're.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So.
The lilydale assembly is achristian-based assembly, but
they are.
They're not unit.
They're not universalunitarianism, that's not.
But they are.
They're not unit, they're notuniversal Unitarianism, that's
not what they are.
They, they're a Christian sect.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Right, that's open to .
Right, that's how thespiritualist movement was.
They believe in communicationwith spirits, yada, yada, yada.
Yes, lily Dale is the world.
I mean maybe it's not anymore,but during the time of the
documentary I'm sure it still isa town with the world's most
highest concentration of psychicmediums living in one town.

(58:31):
Yes, I mean that's basicallyall the town is.
Is that?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Right Like.
In order to live there, youmust be a member of the Lilydale
.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Assembly Right.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And then you can buy a house there, because it's like
an hoa basically, and it's soquaint it feels very um very.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
There's a lot of victorian mansions it almost
feels like a uh, like a time,like a a time capsule.
It does like frontier town, butlike of that of a different era
like, but it's.
It puts you in the mind of likea town that's set up to be like
it's from whatever.
But they also have like a lotof history there about the

(59:10):
spiritualist movement throughthe ages, yada, yada, yada.
But you, so you can go thereand learn stuff you can make,
you know, you can talk to thedifferent psychics, but they
have I don't remember like twicea day.
We'll say they have twoservices where you go to like
this big outdoor church kind ofthing.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I like to refer to it as a grotto, like that's what
it feels like it's.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
It's an outdoor, it's in a grove the things are made
out of the trees right, it'salso located in like one of the
oldest growth, oldest old growthforest in the North America
Eastern, no, in the EasternUnited States.
Oh, okay, right, because outwest they got all kinds of stuff

(59:56):
.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
So in the Eastern United States it's one of the
oldest old growth forests.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So if you're like, and these trees are humongous,
and they're beautiful and that'swhere this is.
You're like, right it's in thisforest.
It's kind of magical it's verymagical because it's all very
natural.
The homes don't look modern, sothey blend right into the
setting.
It sits on the tip of lake erie, so it had or, yeah, it's on a,

(01:00:21):
it's on a lake.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It's on a lake but not like it's about.
It's like a hundred milesinland from Lake Erie.
That lake is called um.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Casadegua.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
No, I'll have to look it up, but it sits on a lake, a
smaller lake.
But it's just like so it feelslike I should have a top.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Good day sir yes, how are you doing there?
Little chucky yes and um top ofthe morning.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
There's so much to do there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
So they have like events all the time.
They have um seminars, theyhave drum circles, they have
spiritual like just services,like anything you could of.
They have one or two bed andbreakfast there.
You can camp there if you arein a primitive camping.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, so anyways it's a really cool spot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I guess all that still applies.
It's been a few years since wechecked it out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
So I mean, obviously do your own research, but we
went there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
We went there.
We went there, and so let megive you the preface is that on
September 19th, which is today'sdate only 14 years ago Um, my
no, it's not today's date.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
The day is going to be released.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
My Atlanta baby.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Um, I was like damn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I was like damn.
My son, who was 16 at the time,passed away in a car accident.
We'll call it, and so that wasa super highly charged,
obviously emotional, time in ourlives.
I do have a TikTok video if youwant to learn how mushrooms

(01:02:06):
healed from that, um.
But so how long after ants dieddid we go up to lilydale?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
it was a couple years it was, so I'll tell you
exactly when it was.
It was 2016 because we went tosee ghostbusters first, the
female one ah, yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Oh right, because this crazy lady was like hey
guys, we're going to thedrive-in movie and then, by the
way, as soon as we pull out,we're driving to new york.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So but yeah, so we went up there and uh, it was.
So we went to the this I forgetwhat they called it, but like
the gathering at night, likethey did in the evening, and we
went to that and at these.
So they'll just have a coupleof mediums that will read people

(01:02:52):
in the crowd.
Cold read from the crowd Coldread people from the crowd and
some of them were amazing.
Some of them were like holyshit, these people are really
good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Some of them weren't so good, right, you know what I
mean.
Some of them were like holyshit, these people are really
good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, some of them weren't so good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Right, you know what I mean.
Some of them were way off, Likethe people would be like no,
there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Some of them were very generalized.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
And there's a few hundred people at one of these.
I'm going to say like 200people sitting in this.
Maybe not that many, maybe like150.
But regardless, it's a big,it's a pretty good size crowd.
So they might do 10 to 15 inone of these sessions right so
you don't, even, might not evenget right we had been to several
yeah, there was threethroughout the day and this was

(01:03:37):
the last one of the day rightand we hadn't gotten any kind of
attention.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
None.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Throughout the whole thing at all and there was a
lady who we believe is now thehead of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Now, yeah, she's like the president of the Lillydale
Assembly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
But she was just visiting from Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Is her name Amanda?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Amanda Cook maybe.
I have no idea what her lastname was sorry, we'll tag you in
the episode so you can get somecred so she was just she was
newer, she was visiting there,she wasn't some she wasn't
someone that lived there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
She was just visiting from ohio, I believe, and you
take it from here well, I don'teven know what to say.
It was you, me and Dakota.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, the three of us were sitting together and God.
So she zoned in on us and shesaid that she's seen a man
around us.
And we kind of looked at eachother because, well, dakota
wouldn't have had anybody atthat point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
No, we didn't think that we were wondering who the
man was.
It wasn't what she was sayingdidn't really make sense, right,
initially.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Initially, and then she's like oh, hold on a second.
She's like it's not a man, it'sa man child, which my son was
probably about 5', 10, probablywent about six foot by that
point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Six foot, he's a big kid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, and he went like 250 pounds, probably solid,
like he was just hulking.
And so when she said a manchild, we like kind of looked at
each other and we're like Ican't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
And so she was sitting and then she's like I
see him putting his arms aroundyou and he's joking around and
he's talking about skateboardingand he's talking about I don't
remember Well, all the specificthings.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
How we knew for sure?
It was because when Anthe diedhe was running around with some
skater kids and she said he's ona skateboard, but he's not very
good and that was very he wasso clumsy no that was um so yeah
and so like, if I never, everhad experienced any psychic

(01:06:00):
thing in my life like that wouldhave made me be a believer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
like fucking, it was crazy and I don't remember what
else she said, but somethingelse like hit bad, like real
heavy.
He said something.
She was like he said somethingand I don't remember what it was
, but I remember it hit like aton of bricks.
Yeah, it was like somethingabout like he was supposed to go

(01:06:27):
this way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, yes, yeah, that this was the way it was
supposed to happen, but alsothat he was running around
hugging other people too, whichwould have been him, right, yeah
, it was just very good and veryI people too, which would have
been him Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, it was just very good and very.
I mean, obviously we still talkabout it today, we still get
choked up about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Well, today's the anniversary, or like not today
physically, but when we dropthis episode, it is going to be
the 14th anniversary of hisdeath.
So, as you can see, it stillhits us.
Yeah, um, but so that wasprobably the craziest psychic

(01:07:15):
experience we've ever had.
Um, what else is on my list?
Well, medium, medium ship, oh,so I'll tell that other story
real quick.
So, um, so, I don't believe I'ma a medium.
I, I don't think that I getthings from the other side.
No, I'm not talking to deadpeople.

(01:07:37):
Um, I get very heavy intuitionsabout things.
Um, but remember when we wereout, were you with me in
Gettysburg when I read for thatcouple.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
No no no, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
so I was out at my girlfriend's house in Gettysburg
, which we can talk about,gettysburg for a whole, nother
two hours.
Holy shit, right Cause we, wegot married in Gettysburg
Gettysburg's our spot but um.
So I was reading for thiscouple and it was a gay couple
and they were getting ready tomove to Texas and the kid just

(01:08:15):
wanted some I don't know.
He wanted some affirmation thatmoving to Texas is the right
thing.
So these guys are both militaryand obviously at this time this
was like 2016,.
Being gay in the military wasacceptable, but maybe not.
These guys were both buff.
One was a lawyer, right, so theywere like they were so just

(01:08:41):
loving beautiful people, butgorgeous, sexy gays, if you ask
me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
And they just had everything going on for them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Right, they were even Republicans, which I didn't
understand at the time but I donow.
So he wanted affirmation aboutbecause he wanted to start a
business and he wanted to starta personal training business
when they got to Texas.
And that was too muchinformation for me.

(01:09:11):
I don't like having that muchinformation going into a reading
.
But I I went in and I was likeokay, um so, but I just I was
trying to like get a feel forthe cards and I just my brain
wouldn't let me because I justkept seeing this woman standing
over.
So you remember the beds we allhad when we were like seven,

(01:09:34):
eight, they were like the woodenframe bunk beds that had the
ball tops.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Like oh yeah, no yeah , they all look like old wood.
Yeah yeah, everybody knows whatyou're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Well, it was that with like a quilt that was like
from the 70s maybe, and I sawthis little boy laying in bed.
He was probably about nine or10.
And I saw a woman standing overhim and it was like she was
screaming at him to wake up, butlike nothing was coming out of
her mouth.

(01:10:07):
Like she was so mad that shecouldn't get through to him.
He started bawling.
When I explained this to himand explained the woman to him,
the one I was seeing, and he'slike that makes so much sense to
me.
That's everything I need.
That's my affirmation.
So so it does happen.
It happens in in little, littlespurts, um, but that was his

(01:10:30):
grandmother that I saw and shewas dead, and she was also
native american, which is reallypowerful, um, to have somebody
like that.
They are powerful.
So yeah, but anyways.
Um, so yeah, but anyways.
Ooh, what else is on the list?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
But no, we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
You got a story to tell that is on the list, what I
don't know if you can tell itwithout getting emotional.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
What story.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Devil Bill.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Why is that emotional ?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Didn't like a whole bunch of people that you knew
die after that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, that did happen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Hi, I jumped to the punchline, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
So I pushed that my way Right.
So when we were kids, one ofthe places that my grandma told
us about was this place out inJack's Mountain called Devil
Bill's Devil Bill.
I don't know the whole story.
Behind it there was this oldhouse.
He was a really mean guy.
I don't know.
I don't really remember thebackstory of why Devil Bill was
so bad, but the townspeoplehated him.
He was the devil.

(01:11:26):
He bathed in poop.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
He did bad things he ate poop sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
He did eat poop.
He ate poop sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I hate when you say it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
He ate poop sandwiches.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I don't know why that makes it grosser Poopy when he
says poopy, but it makes itgrosser.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
But so me and my friends all went out to Devil
Bill's one night and there wasprobably like six of us and we
were playing with a Ouija board,you know whatever, just messing
around the cops.
The cops came, we had to leave.
We didn't get in trouble, butwe had to leave and we made a

(01:12:03):
video of this whole thing.
So when we got home, like acouple days later, we were
watching this videotape.
Well, my friends call me,they're like you're not going to
believe what's on this tape.
So we go to watch this tape andin the bushes behind us, when

(01:12:30):
we're doing the Ouija thing, youcould see this guy's face, what
looked like a guy's face.
And so my friend had thisvideotape at his house.
His dad asked him what wasgoing on, because all this weird
stuff started happening to likethe like electronics and stuff
like that, and he thoughtsomething was weird.
So when they went to watch thetape again, it was erased.
Well then, my friend, withintwo years, it's the original.

(01:12:54):
Well, within like two months ofthat, that kid died in a car
accident and then later his daddied shortly after that, and or
his brother died.
His brother committed suicideand then his dad died.
So within like two years orwhatever, they were all dead,

(01:13:16):
and I think it was the tape theoriginal grudge it was the
grudge.
Yeah, you're right, the originalgrudge, um, but that was very
scary.
Yeah, you're right, theoriginal grudge, but that was
very scary.
I mean, it could have beenpossibly related to other things
, but so that's why it's notquite as like eerie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I would say that story terrified me when you
first told it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Really.
It did yeah see, I don't thinkit's that terrifying because I
don't attribute it to the tape.
That's why it was very weird,but I don't think the tape got
him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
But now we can kind of bring up a couple other
things, which is Miller's Church, oh, my goodness, we've had
many a time back then.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
That's what I'm saying.
We've been on so many ghosts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Well, we had to get the aunt story out of the way to
tell the whole Miller's churchstory, which is not out of the
way.
I love my son.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Franklin County, washington County, maryland.
Franklin County, pennsylvania.
We've done about every AdamsCounty, pennsylvania.
We've done about every legend.
Yeah, ghost hunt that you cando, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
We haven't done no.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Even part of Frederick County, maryland, we
haven't done.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Cashtown, though that's on my bucket list, is the
Cashtown Inn I would like to dolike a real paranormal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Well, I didn't mean necessarily Gettysburg, because
that you could do that every day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
And not get all of it in For a hundred years and not
get all of it in.
I mean we did like the ghostwalks and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
We've been to a couple different ghost walks
over the years and we've been toplaces that our friends like
have taken us to and told usabout, just like Saks Cover
Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, saks Cover Bridge, that was awesome.
The scene of one of the manyweddings that he's failed to
that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
one didn't last long at all though, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Sorry, you know who you are, but your mom's seen it
coming, it don't matter your momcalled it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Sorry, that's what I'm there for.
I'll do another one for you.
Let me know when the next one'scoming around.
I'll do that one too.
I'm not one of these peoplethat I don't view it as some
crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Well, they are doing a gender reveal here coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Well, they are doing a gender reveal here coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Well, I don't know if we're going to make that you
don't do gender.
I don't do christenings,christen the gender so.
But I don't know the name ofthat pizza place now.
But there's a pizza place downon York Street that used to be
the Moose Now that's some ghostsI could get behind buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Oh, Some.
Ghost phantom tossing pizzas.
Phantom pepperoni smells in theair.
Who's cooking stromboli?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
oh, that's the ghost no, but seriously, I love ghost
stromboli that building is hugeand old and I don't know what it
was before it was the moose.
You're talking about the moose,yeah but like so, you walk in
the front and it's a huge bar,but off to the left was the
kitchen.
There was a bowling alley, butthere was a dumb waiter in that

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dark ass hall.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Dumb waiters are the devil.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Fucking terrifying the devil's playground.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Dumb waiters are the devil's playground.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
And so then you walk through the bar and there was a
convention hall like a big eventspace with a huge stage, and in
order to lock up at night, youhad to go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Turn around three times, hail Satan.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
You had to go back through the stage, get up onto
the stage in the dark and shutthe bolts on the back doors.
Well, so one night it was justme and my friend.
Justin fucking sitting thereand I was like I'm going to
close the back doors.
watch the front.
He runs his fucking littlegroundhog ass the whole way

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around the back of the building.
And I get to the back doors andgo to lock them and I hear this
.
That was fucking terrifying.
I never wanted to close themoose again.
I mean, we're talkingGettysburg.
Luckily I had friends thatwould stay in close with me, but
I did not trust nary one ofthem after that ever.
And the dumb waiter I did hearit move sometimes when I was

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there by myself and I fuckinghated it, hated it that place by
myself.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
And I fucking hated it Hated it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
That place was scary.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Did it ever deliver the devil?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
To my knowledge yes.
No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
It brought the devil and a trip around the kitchen
With the best bologna you'llever eat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
The best.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
bologna Shout out Booker's Meats, mcknight's Town
yes, right outside of Gettysburgit is the oh man, my favorite
butcher shop, but they make thisbologna there, that'll blow
your Don't talk about thebologna, the bologna will blow
your fucking socks off, don'ttalk about it, don't run out of
it, shh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
The bologna will blow your fucking socks off that
their bologna is in the GildedTrash Hall of hall of fame I
mean it's the best bloat like ohmy god, I don't even want to.
Don't talk about it anymorewell, since you brought up food,
though, what is your favoritething that you look forward to

(01:18:16):
on a ghost?
Hunt skittles oh no, everyhalloween time, right around
Halloween, there's a resurgenceof a very popular food product.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Count Chocula Frankenberry Boo-Berry,
boo-berry.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Now they got this new bitch.
I don't know what it is.
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Caramella.
I don't want caramel flavoredcereal.
No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
I don't like any of that, but they did have a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
They got that.
The fruit monster, the wolf,the fruit.
I don't know what.
It is Something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Fruity mummies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
No, the mummy is Frankenberry.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I don't know what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
But there's another one, the fruit wolf, or
something like that.
The fruit wolf will get youFruit wolf.
I want a shirt that says fruitwolf.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And you've become quite the pumpkin carver over
the years.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I have become quite the pumpkin carver.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I was going to make him carve one and put it on the
Deus Deus.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
But speaking of haunted cereals, I once had a
box of grape nuts and it hauntedme until the day I died.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
We are still alive, so why would grape nuts?

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I don't know, I was just being silly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Oh, you are silly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Well, back to.
You were talking aboutMcKnight's town.
I mean, you were talking aboutcash town.
You're talking about all theareas around Gettysburg.
What you forgot that we weretalking about is Miller's Church
oh my god, miller's Church sothe point?
so Miller's Church is this placeoutside of Hagerstown.
Supposedly there was this.
There's a lot of local legends.

(01:20:00):
You can go research it foryourself because we don't know
what the exact.
Nobody knows what the exactstory is.
Everybody's been told there wasdevil worship this and that,
but we I actually tried to diginto some of the history back
when I was in high school.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It's all word of mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
And it's all word of mouth.
There was no real definitivethings, although I will say that
the founder of the church.
When I looked him up in theFranklin County Biological Index
, which tracks every person everborn in Franklin County
throughout history, he's born inthe 17-somethings.
He was on page 666.

(01:20:37):
Shut your filthy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
You lie no he was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
We had it in the video we made.
That was Blair Witch.
When I was in high school,blair Witch came out and in

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journalism class you were makinga little documentary about
something scary and me and myfriend also named Justin weird
did Miller's Church.
We talked to my grandma, we didit.
We went out there, um and.
But we did a lot of historyresearch into the area and
that's when I found that thefounder of the church, jacob
Miller, was on page 666 of the1790 edition no, I don't have it
, whatever Of the FranklinCounty Biological Index.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
But we actually chickened out of going out there
.
We went out in the daytime, wedid full investigation.
We chickened out at night whenwe went out.
We went out there and gotscared.
Left went back to my mom'shouse to shoot the scenes in the
woods, and lucky for us.
We back to my mom's house toshoot the scenes in the woods,
and lucky for us.
We were like, pretending liketo be scared, but there was an

(01:21:50):
entire flock of turkeyssurrounding us in the pine trees
and they all took off at onceand scared the ever living
daylights out of it I don't knowif you ever heard a flock of
turkeys take off?
but it sounds like a goddamnengine.
That's awesome it's like that'sfantastic.
40 turkeys flapping their wings, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I love it.
So I actually had an experienceat Miller's Church when I was
younger.
A bunch of us rode out thereand, to be fair, I had like an
old Dodge something or other,like it wasn't the best of cars.
We're just going to say thatRight, dodge something or other,
like it wasn't the best of cars, we're just going to say that
Right.
So it could have really beencar trouble, who knows.

(01:22:32):
But there was like a story thatif you go out to Miller's
Church and get up to rightbefore you come down the hill to
where the cemetery would be onyour right the hill to where the
cemetery would be on your rightum, if you turn your lights off
that a car would come speedingup and just plow the devil's
dragon yeah, like it was like ahearse, allegedly, or whatever,

(01:22:56):
and it would just drive throughyou like so ghost train we
turned the car off and then thecar would not turn back on.
And it was the scariest thingand the radio turned on and it
was doing that like fuzzy shit,hold on.
So we pushed the car out intolike a farmer's lane to get it

(01:23:19):
off the road and we startedwalking down the road.
So this guy comes out and he'sin a truck and he's like coming
out of his driveway and he'slike what are you doing?
And we're like our car brokedown back there and he's like
were you back at Miller's church?

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
And we were like yeah , and he's like I'm Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
He's like I'm the ghost of Miller's church.
He was like no, I'm just joking, I'll give you guys a ride.
But he wanted me to sit upfront and it was a truck with
one cab.
And there was like so I made myfriend Brian get in the front
seat with us.
And he touched Brian instead Imade Brian get in the middle and

(01:24:01):
when he got to the end of thelane, Brian's never been the
same.
What's the main road therelightersburg pike.
When he got out to lightersburgpike, they all just jumped out
of the back and I was like well,and swung the door open and
jumped out.
I was so fucking scared um, soit's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
You say that, though, because the story, that one of
the stories that grandma used totell about one night that pap
came home drunk and you knowthey would leave when he would
come home that drunk, and theytook my uncle bo's gremlin, I

(01:24:39):
believe.
Oh, my god and they back then.
Here's the story.
Though you could park it, youcould pull into the where the
church was, and they got itchained off.
Now, yeah, you can pull up intothe thing and, yeah, it's
fenced off now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
It's like there's the road thing you could pull in
there, but anyway, somethinghappened happened.
They all got scared, they wentto leave and their doors were
all locked and the car wouldn'tstart I hate that and then
eventually they did get out ofthere, obviously because they're
all still with us.

(01:25:19):
But right, but like we're notall of them, but they didn't die
that day, but it just begs thequestion because, again, it was
grandma and three teenage boys,right?
No, it was grandma, an adultman, but it was in his 20s.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Dad was older too, so they might have both been
adults, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
But I'm just saying like Young men.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Young and probably emotional and heightened emotion
because you're thinking ofghosts and trying to be scared
and all that I mean they used togo back there all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I think that's what happened to my car, though, is
that everybody was just likefreak the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
And that makes cars shut off.
And it just like zapped out andmakes cars shut off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
It sure enough does.
Well then, we had our ownexperience out there.
Oh god, I don't it was?
I don't even remember like Iknow exactly when it was.
It was 2017.
It was like it was the weekbetween fourth of july and my
and so Anthe would have beengone seven years at this point,
and we were out riding aroundand I was just thinking about

(01:26:32):
him.
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
When we do that, I have his funeral CD that we play
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
We listen to all his songs.
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I wanted to go up to the cemetery but it was starting
to get dark and the they getthe farmers that live up there.
They get a little pissy whenthey get there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
They're Mennonites and you know how they get boy.
He'll come out and get you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
But so I didn't want to fool around with all that.
So we were like, okay, let'sjust go out riding around
Miller's church, and I don'teven know like we slow I don't
know if we slowed down or if westopped stop moving the table.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
It was just not like, but yeah good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Well, my camera was gone.
Um but I felt somebody kickedthe back of my seat.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
And I was like, babe, we have a passenger, well,
let's go.
But we were talking about Antthat whole night, so I don't
know what led us to believe itwas Anthony.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
But something else happened.
I don't remember that we'relike whoa, yeah, because like it
was definitely like some weeklike heard or saw somebody
sitting back there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
You know what I mean and like it was very weird.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Oh, I know exactly what it was.
I know exactly what it was.
So we were a trip all the time.
Do not judge us, but there wastrash on the back floor of the
vehicle and it sounded likesomebody was back there kicking
the trash around to get theirfeet settled.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
That's exactly what it was, and I remember we saw
somebody sitting back there too,though.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
You definitely.
There was like a spectral image.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
That's the whole thing is, I'm scared to death to
look in the rear view mirrorwhen we're traveling to see if
there's anything behind me,because I swear to Christ
there's somebody behind me, like40% of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Like the old scary stories to tell in the dark.
Speaking of paranormal, thatwas a book that I was scared to
read because that book came outwhen I was like in first grade.
What was it?
Scary stories to tell in thedark oh, it was just like a
collection of ghost stories yesand, oh, buddy, was I terrified.
I didn't even want to read.
I was like I don't even.

(01:28:43):
I didn't even want to readbloody mary.
That's how scared I was of it,because it had a thing in there.
I didn't.
You've already said it oncebloody mary, biggie smiles,
biggie smiles, biggie smiles Ilove that episode it's so good I
could totally watch that umbloody mary.

(01:29:04):
So oh, I used to try that buddyand I'd be scared shitless well,
I mean.
So that's the thing is like weall grew up in the age of bloody
mary, candy man um, we grew upin the golden age of like horror
movies and stuff coming ofghosts being talked about in

(01:29:25):
movies, tv shows, books, so thatwas very much a part of it was
our pop culture, yeah.
Very much a part of our popculture.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Yeah, so Ouija boards , obviously.
Yeah, me and my friends used tomess with Ouija boards all the
time and I sorry guys, hate toburst your bubble, but I was the
one moving it 90% of the timebecause I just wanted to scare
the shit out of you guys.
Amber Susie, if you'relistening, it was me.
There was never a guy who diedon a motorcycle.

(01:29:53):
I made that whole story up, butit was fun.
So, oh my God, I used to.
I used to make shit up all thetime.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
So that's the thing is, when I was younger I used to
pretend that I was more psychicthan I was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
I know, I used to pretend that I was psychic I
mean I am kind of psychic, butnot then.
Um, and what else did we usedto do?
Oh, light as a feather, stiffas a board, no, I think, if I
recall you never had heard ofthat one before.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
No, but I feel like is that the one they did that
movie?
Yeah, I mean I think I hadheard of it, but I never knew
anybody that did it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
We've done that so many times and it works, and I
don't know what it is.
You have to have two or threepeople on each side of a person
and you just stick just your twofingers right up under the
person and you start chantinglight is a feather.
Light is a feather.
Stiff as a board.
They don't like it.
You can pick them up like thatit's crazy.

(01:30:55):
I've seen it done, I've beenthere, I've done it.
It's so easy.
They become light as feather.
I don't know what it is.
It's like some kind of crazypsychic phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
No, I know.
Well, that's the other thingtoo.
I'm sitting here thinking ofall these stories Because, you
know, I literally could talk twohours of grandma Reed stories.
But let's talk a little bitabout ghost hunting TV shows.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Because Do we?

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
No, we don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Yeah, no, no, we don't have no, yeah, no, no,
because at a certain point therewas never ghost hunting Before.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Ghost hunters you very, you might hear about it in
historical places, people doingthese things, but like before
the movie Ghostbusters, Likethat's what Ghost hunting wasn't
real.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I mean, yeah, like you had people like Ed and
Lorraine Warren, but that wasn'treal.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
I mean, yeah, like you had people like ed and
lorraine warren, but that wasn'tghost hunting, they were
helping people with to get ridof like to get rid of ghost or
whatever, which is a little bitdifferent I love the warrens
yeah, I mean that's a whole,whole, another diatribe.
But so when ghost hunters cameout, it was like, oh my goodness
, there's professionals, they.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
It was like the real ghostbusters right these people
are really gonna well beforethat there was that mtv show
though fear no.
Ghost hunters was before thatghost hunters came out before
fear I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
I don't think it, but they're two totally different
types of shows.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
They are two totally different types of show, but it
was the same.
It's the same concept, only onepeople.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Yeah, I guess it did come out way after.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
but One group of people were educated in hiding
ghosts and one people were not.
That's the only difference.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Right, these people?
Well, yeah, that was more oflike a game show, right where
they're just trying to survive anight in a, but that was
terrifying, oh it was.
That was a crazy show fear.
It was also like the scariestplaces on earth same concept,
different channel.
Scariest places on earth was myshit, though, because it had
the one and only what's her nameZelda.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Zelda Rubenstein yeah .

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
And she'd get on there and be like welcome to
Bavaria, one of the scariestplaces on earth.
And then Linda Blair was thehost, but it's narrated by the
poltergeist lady.
Are you kidding me, Right?
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I love it.
Great show right come on I loveit great show um ghost hunters.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
We're talking about ghost hunters being like the
first ghost hunting show yeahand then there's a thousand
cents then, so much so that it'snot even cool to watch none of
them, these boxes where theytalk to go and you're like, and
it's like they're like, I heardit say Satan, did you?
It said Satan, and you don'tknow what it says.

(01:33:53):
We tried an experiment.
Don't watch it when they playthose.
You'll never figure out whatthe fuck it says.
Right If you don't watch,because they always flash the
word up on the screen you're nothere, or they say it Right and
you're like oh, they'll be likeoh, it said no murder or

(01:34:13):
whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
No, it didn't.
It really didn't Just stop it.
We know you need content Backto filler.
It's back to filler.
It's just like the damn.
How many ghost hunting shows dowe need?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
It's just like the damn, how many ghost hunting
shows do we need?
How many we got ghostadventurers, ghost hunters,
ghost brothers, ghost sisters,ghost mothers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
We've got the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Ghost to ghost.
The Tennessee rape chasers.
The Tennessee rape chasers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Rape chasers.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
And they go around raping ghosts.
And it's horrifying.
I don't know if you've everseen a ghost ghosts and it's
horrifying.
I don't know if you've everseen a ghost rape, but it's not
pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Gross, yeah, so it was really exciting when Ghost
Hunters came out, like it justfelt like an awesome thing, it
was new.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
It quickly got diluted, though.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Clearly, people, it's not happening in this century,
and here's why and I think thisis a good way to wrap it up with
a thought about what we'regoing to talk about next week
right still in paranormal, stillin paranormal.
We've got a really long episode.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
We just barely scratched the surface.
We didn't get out of grandma'sstories.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
No, there's so much, but in my mind I firmly believe
that ghosts are part of the sim.
Oh, we talked about this and weare never going to have
definitive proof until weextract ourselves from the sim

(01:35:43):
or figure out how it'sprogrammed until we extract
ourselves from the sim or figureout how it's programmed Right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
We talked about this.
They're literally ghosts in themachine.
So if simulation theory iscorrect and this is all just a
simulation, we think it's justtraces of old code and stuff
that kind of gets left behind asthey rewrite stuff and do
things.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Listen, I know I've got programmer friends out there
.
I know I've got geeks listening.
Listen, you know as well as Ido.
If you've got an old-ass pieceof code and you try to change
something in it and you leavesome phantom piece of code in
there that's now no longeroperating on anything that
happens downstream, in thatlogic it's just going to run on

(01:36:21):
its own off here on the side andevery time you kick off that
job that piece of code is goingto run, but it's not attached to
the outcome.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
That's what a ghost is.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Do you have any parting words for us, because
we're going to dive into?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
this next time?
Yeah for sure.
Oh yeah, we're going to talkabout 100 things.
We're going to revisit somestuff we probably glossed over
when we got to rambling about wehaven't talked about goblins.
We haven't talked about goblins, we haven't talked about ghouls
, we haven't talked aboutsynchronicities.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
We haven't talked about witches.
We didn't even get to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
UFO.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
We didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
UFO is paranormal it is paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
It's going to have to be its own.
Listen, Masonic Temple ishaving a cryptid.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
That's another thing.
Cryptids are part of theparanormal.
So a lot of people believe itall goes together.
It's all part of the samemystery Cryptids, ufos, ghosts.
They think it's all connected.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
We'll delve into that next time, and I'm here to tell
you, folks, that I literallyhave a sim explanation for every
single one of those phenomena.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Now I'd like to leave some parting words today from
one, mr Henny Youngman.
You know, henny Youngman, goodfellas, take my wife please.
That guy, take my wife please.
I know a man who doesn't pay tohave his trash taken out.
How does he get rid of histrash?

(01:37:47):
He gift wraps it and puts itinto an unlocked car.
Henny Youngman, take my wifeplease, oh my God, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Don't talk about good fellas, that's a whole nother
team.
No, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
We'll get there.
All right, we'll see you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Until next time, folks.

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