October 3, 2024 • 57 mins
Get ready to laugh and learn as we embark on part two of our paranormal series, kicking off with a humorous salute to the Steelers before diving into the fascinating world of the "Clairs." We'll demystify clairvoyance, claircognizance, clairsalience, clairaudience, and clairtangency with personal stories and playful banter—ever tasted something you ate hours ago (maybe heartburn) or heard unexplained music? Join us for a light-hearted yet informative take on these intriguing psychic phenomena.
Journey with us through Pennsylvania's folklore and cryptids as we reminisce about charming small towns and legendary creatures like the Snallygaster, Mothman, and thunderbirds. We touch on the American adaptations of Grimm's fairy tales and the concept of "high strangeness" introduced by UFO researcher J. Allen Hynek. Our passion for folklore and mythical creatures shines through in our lively discussion, bringing these local legends to life while adding a touch of humor and personal anecdotes.
Finally, prepare to be spooked as we recount terrifying personal encounters with the paranormal, including ghost stories, sleep paralysis, and UFO sightings. We'll explore the Kecksburg incident, alien theories, and even the Mandela Effect, weaving together tales of interdimensional beings and potential future humans. With thought-provoking discussions, spine-chilling stories, and plenty of laughs, this episode is a rollercoaster of paranormal intrigue you won't want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wes Merlin Dogman coming at ya.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You just jump right in with us.
First of all, welcome to parttwo of our two-part Paranormal
series.
Normally at this point in theshow we do a callback to the
previous episode.
I mean, this entire episode isgoing to be a callback and then
some.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I would like to start with saying that the Steelers
gave one hell of an effort todayand that Justin Fields answered
a lot of questions and askedsome more questions, so we're
left with nothing.
But what do we have on the listto call back this episode?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sorry, steelers fans.
Yeah, sorry, it's because hedidn't take the terrible towels
down today.
He forgot.
I'm going to blame it on you.
We can start with the Clares, Iguess.
Get that list out of the wayreal quickly, because that's a
full-on touch bag.
So what do we have?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Where's the part about things we have to touch
back on now?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean pretty much all of it is like intertwined
with the rest of it.
So the two um key touchbacksare the claire's.
The list of claire's I'll justgo into that yeah's the list of
Claire's.
As in.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm Claire Gustin's, although I'm the opposite of
Claire Gustin's things.
Claire Gustin's is the abilityto taste without having eaten.
I'm going through the oppositeof that, where I'm tasting
things I've previously eaten.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, otherwise known as heartburn yeah, or something
like that so there's a wholelist of clairs.
Um, and I was I was wrong onsome of them.
Um, so clairvoyance isinformation through vision, so
voy voyeur vision.
Um, and so somebody who'sclairvoyant usually sees
(02:07):
pictures that they can associate.
Um, I think tyler henry mightbe clairvoyant when he's a
medium.
Um, some people see pictures.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's debatable based on what he was saying the
last time um, it's a tough time.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So claircognizance is one of the ones that I have,
which is clear knowing um?
That's the one I reallystruggle with at work because,
like, how do I explain to myboss that I know something
without it's like showing thework in math, like I can't show
my work.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I just know, yeah, certain things people just have
a knack for being able toeyeball it.
That's where the term eyeballcomes from.
A little fact there for you,that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's definitely not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Claire Aliens.
That's where you hear an alien.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So I took that off of a website directly, did not
change it.
They spelled it wrong becauseit didn't sound right to me.
It's Claire Salience, ah.
Website directly did not changeit.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
They spelled it wrong because I it didn't sound right
to me it's clairsalience.
Ah, I like clairsalience betterbecause that means that you see
aliens I do.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean I don't.
I've never seen an alien likeare you clairvoyant?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
no, I'm clairalience, I'm clearly an alien and
they're like oh, I see aliens hiI'm.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Claire's Aliens is one of the other ones that I
wrote.
Claire of Tangency, hold on asecond, let's talk about it.
So Claire's Aliens is theheightened ability to smell
things, even phantom smells, sowe talked about that in the last
episode.
You can smell bears.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, but I'm saying, bears smell is like 6,000 times
more powerful than a human.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh then, yeah, I'm part bear.
Claire audience obviously ishearing audible sounds from well
, the non-obvious part is otherrealms.
I don't know if that's obviousor not, but Claire audience is
hearing sounds, so like peoplewho have Claire audience can um
(04:07):
hear music like we did.
But I think that music was likea ghost pattern.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, I don't think that just because you do
something doesn't mean you haveit, doesn't mean you have that
ability just cause we heard likea phantom noise Doesn't mean
that we suddenly have thisability.
We just happened to thesethings more If you can have the
ability to not necessarily oncommand, but have the ability to
do it outside of likerepeatedly right, right,
(04:35):
repeatedly Right, just isolatedincidents, because it's a
heightened ability.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's not just like a flash Cause the flashes, it's an
ability.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's not a circumstance.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Like it's those things happen to us.
We didn't have the ability tohear it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, that's exactly it, you know that's a great.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What we're referencing is when we heard
music playing that we couldn'tfigure out the source of.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
In one of our previous homes.
That didn't mean that we wereclaire audience, although I
would like to say next time thatI'm doing stand-up, I'm gonna
be like, please don't be just anaudience, be a claire audience
oh my god please be a claireaudience okay, so you wanted to
(05:25):
jump down to Claire tangency.
Well, I'd like to talk moreabout Claire.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Gustins, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Claire Gustamante.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You just want to say that word.
Claire Gustamante, claireGustins, I like it.
Claire Gustamante, mucho gusto.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Claire Gustins.
How is it?
Is it Claire Gustins, gustins?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah or Gustans.
I think it's Gustans becauseit's something to do with Claire
Gustans.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Is it Claire Gustans?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, no, but it's about toast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
C-L-A-I-R-A-L.
Oh no, I'm looking at the wrongone C-L-A-I-R-G-U-S-T-A-N-C-E.
I wonder, Just so somebodythat's listening knows what
we're talking about.
Is it Gustens, Gustens orKlerkestans?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, it's not Klerkestans.
Stop doing that.
That sounds like a German.
You're hurting my brain.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That sounds like a German word Be like he's.
Hitler took a very strongcleric stance.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean technically he did because he was starving,
though, so I wonder if that'swhere the term go, for the gusto
comes from gusto gusto, go forthe gusto is what I like to do
nobody says that, though you'reacting like a real silly gusto.
Okay, so clear tangency.
(06:50):
This is what a lot of mediumsdo to get like a feeling
Tangerine.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Is that where the same word comes from?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, tangent, tangent, tangible, tangible.
Yeah To touch.
Tangerines comes from no,tangent, tangent, tangible,
tangible.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah to touch, yes, no tangerine something I bet
it's got something to do with it.
Tango probably comes from thesame word.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It takes two um, so it's the, it's the gift of touch
, basically, um, which soundsreally gross when you I've got
the gift of touch.
Sounds like something joe bidenhas the gift of clear, clare
tangency clare tangency, claretangency it sounds like an irish
(07:38):
allergy.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I've got clare tangency.
Picks me up some of thatClareton Jensey from the store.
That wasn't whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That was more Scottish than Irish, but I'll
take it.
But yeah, like you know what'sher name, what was that Warren
lady's name?
The Warrens Diane Diane, yousaid that so well, I'm on fire
(08:10):
today, buddy, I tell you.
Diane Warren is a singer.
I know she's a singer.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
She's one of the most talented songwriters in history
.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
She's very Claire-oddient.
No, lorraine Warren, I thinkshe was Claire Tangent.
Right, that was Ed.
Yeah, ed and Lorraine.
Yeah, ed and Lorraine Warren, Ithink she was Claire Tangent.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Right, that was Ed.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Ed and Lorraine .
Yeah, Ed and Lorraine.
This is the last one and thisis the one that I have the most
of, so I have Claire.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Claire.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Sentience, claire, sentience, claire, sentience.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I like to speak very Claire Sentences.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'm a sentient.
What is a sentient being?
I don't want to say that outloud if I'm not.
It's like when AI comes to life.
Oh yeah, it feels.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's what it is.
It's like when you feel,because that's what sentient
means.
It's like if you say that theAI became sentient, it means
that it has feelings.
It's like has consciousness.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh, chappy, chappy, great movie.
I love chappy, so I am.
I am Claire, sentient, and sothat means, why are you making
that face Chappy?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No, maybe sad, um haircut though that guy, this
South African rap white rappers.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my God, very, it was very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Very bizarre Very weird Ninja.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I love their accents, though.
It's almost like they have sothat South African accent.
It's almost like they have acomputer in the back of their.
It's fun, it's like they click,like it's a fun accent.
I'm going to have to do that.
I'm going to have to do that.
I'm going to have to learn thataccent.
So, claire's Indians, that'swhat I am, and I am a fucking
(09:50):
emotional bowl of jello mostdays, which is why I stay away
from people, because the morealso, speaking about the last
show, Lasher slasher.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot aboutthat, thank you.
So, if you all remember or not,I called upon the demon spirit
(10:12):
Lasher to do my bidding.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think you told the story.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, I did tell the story, but what I forgot to tell
you all is that.
So what was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You were talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You were talking about.
Be, arthur, don't be too wildon your tangents.
Last night was comedy.
Today's podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's gotta be funny too.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
A little bit Um.
So the next day after I call,after I had that experience
where I believe there was a darkshadow in my room, my
ex-husband called me to ask meif I had been near his
(10:57):
girlfriend's house.
I hadn't, but I asked why, ofcourse, and it was because she
had just gotten her eagle talonout of the paint shop, gotten a
brand new paint job, and somehowthere was human.
He said there was human fecessmeared all over it Human feces.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, pup.
Pup, I don't know how he knewthat it was human and not dog,
or horse or snail, yes, orsomething else with talons, I
know, and it was down near notdog or horse or snelly gas or
something else with talons.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I know, and it was down near maryland that part of
maryland it could have been,could have very well been, could
have been.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But that brings us to .
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Brings us to cryptids so it's fall wedding season,
which I am overjoyed about, andlast year I, I think I swear
we've been to a Halloweenwedding every single year, for,
like the last.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think this was like three years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It was two, was it?
I don't think it was the firstyear we moved up here, but I
could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
When did they get married?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Bryce and Ellie.
How long have you been married?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Regardless.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Regardless Fall weddings, I love them, them.
We were at a fall wedding.
We decided we were gonna drivearound frederick hanging out
because fall wedding infrederick maryland yeah and so
we were just killing timebetween whatever events were
going on.
And what's that little townthat I love?
That's really quaint and artsy.
(12:24):
It puts me in the mind ofPenmar, or my brain wants to say
Burkittsville, which is a wholedifferent thing.
It's not.
It's definitely not, that'sjust a little strip of houses.
Yeah, it's not Burkittsville andit's not Walkersville, but it's
out around there and it's wherethey had that.
(12:44):
It's where the Snallygasteroriginated.
I was doing research on thattown, middle town, it's middle
town but there's a little tiniertown.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's tinier towns around.
Yeah, I don't know which oneyou're talking about, it's
around middle town but there's alot of really.
There's a lot of good towns outthat way.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Really cute old it looks like.
It puts me in the mind of whatNantucket would have looked like
in the 1890s.
I don't know why.
That's where my brain goes.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
What's Nantucket look like now.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Modern Beach Homes, millionaires.
Where is Nantucket, rhodeIsland?
Modern beach homes,millionaires?
Where is Nantucket, rhodeIsland, rhode Island, up that
way somewhere?
I'm like this this is my logic.
We live in Pennsylvania, soNantucket is that way.
If I'm looking at a map upthere, so the that way, if I'm
(13:45):
looking at a map Up there, upthere.
So the Snallygaster,interestingly enough, was used
by what's that lady's name?
Jk Rowling.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
She wrote about it.
Well, she created like afictional thing named the
Snallygaster.
Basically, back in the old daysit was a big bird.
Right there's a big, giant bird, a thunderbird, coming to get
you it had.
Thunderbirds have been reportedto have been seen all over
pennsylvania the bryn mar beastor whatever it's right out by
philly or whatever um a longhistory of big giant.
(14:23):
I mean all over the UnitedStates.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean, and you could actually even lump the Mothman
in with those- a giant birdthing, something with wings that
has big eyes snatches peopletalons no talons.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't think the Mothman ever snatched nobody,
though.
These birds snatch people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's what they're known for the Mothman was just a
doomsayer right, he's like aharbinger.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Harbinger, I love that word.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
These birds snatch people.
That's what they're known for.
The Mothman was just adoomsayer, right, he's like a
harbinger Harbinger.
I love that word Harbinger ofdoom.
It's such an evil word but itsounds pretty.
It reminds me of Harbinger ofdoom.
Harbinger reminds me ofHarlequin Like the.
Harlequin romance novels I lovethose words so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Snallygasters.
But yeah, my family probablydid them, they probably got them
.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, no, because it started with German folklore in
that valley of Maryland whereyour family settled, where my
family's from, and they'reGermans.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Exactly, those bastards were Germans.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I think they're the ones that started the
Snelligaster rumors, and I canactually see Mary Wetzel Reed.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Long before that, long before that, but I could
see some of the people that weredown there, some of the you
could see how the folklore washeavily passed through the
generations.
Oh, big time I love it, and mygrandma used to tell me stories
not about big giant birdssnatching people out of the sky,
but various cryptid likephenomena.
(15:51):
You know what I mean Mythicalcreatures that roam the woods.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Right, well, again they like.
You think of Grimm's fairytales.
Those came over here from overthere and they all have mystical
creatures where there's forestpeople are going to make up
stories about beast being inthere.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's lots of forest.
When they brought the forest ofeurope, when they brought those
stories over, they put themright in pennsylvania instead I
love it well.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, Pennsylvania has some gorgeous forests.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean doesn't Vania mean woods?
It does, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So it's like Well, I mean, and water, or forest, or
whatever Right.
So anywhere there's woods andanywhere there's water, pretty
much anywhere there's earththere's mythical creatures,
let's be real People.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
they're always like where there's forest.
Well, I mean granted, there'snot forest everywhere, but
there's a lot of fucking forest.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And there's a lot of mythical creatures, and there's
a lot of mythical creatures andPennsylvania is home to quite a
few.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
A long history of mythical creatures.
Yes, we got dogmans, and rightnearby here there's a big
Bigfoot thing.
People really see Bigfoot herein.
Pennsylvania, westernPennsylvania is actually like a
hotspot.
Again.
We talked about theconnectivity between Bigfoots,
cryptids, ufos, hauntings,because, just like at Skinwalker
(17:26):
Ranch, they experiencepoltergeist activity, creatures,
ufo sightings.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Strange illnesses.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
High strangeness.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
High strangeness Gina who coined that term.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't.
J Allen Heinrich, I believe, isthe guy's name.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
J Allen Heinrich, who was?
That, I believe, is the guy'sname.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
J Allen Heinrich is the guy that coined that term,
so he was originally Not to beconfused with Heimlich.
He well, so he was involvedwith.
I don't know who was in chargeof Project Blue Book, whether it
was like the CIA, somebody inthe government.
Project Blue Book was like thething where they were like
investigating ufos.
Jay allen heineck worked forthe government and then he
(18:08):
became like the leading uforesearcher.
He actually consulted on closeencounters of the third kind,
the reason.
That's where I even knew what todo double click was because jay
allen heineck was like theconsultant and actually in the
movie he's like the one thatfirst goes into up to the ship
(18:28):
to greet the aliens oh, I couldwatch that movie, but um I love
that movie he uh yeah, he alsocoined the term, I believe,
close encounter so and he wrotea book about like he went from
being like the government thingand he must have seen like so
much to it that he like startedto believe the people or
(18:48):
whatever, and kind of startedworking for the other side.
I guess you could say I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I love conspiracies, but we will get to UFOs.
We're going to talk aboutcryptids for just another minute
, so I didn't look into this one, but there's something called
the Waterford Sheep man and it'sa humanoid that's covered in
horns, kind of like the Whoathat sounds scary.
What's that movie Role Models?
It's like the Minotaur.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh right.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, I'm just making that up, I mean, but it
terrorized Waterford in the1970s.
Where's Waterford?
Somewhere in Pennsylvania?
I'm going to guess that it'sover by Philly.
I could be wrong.
That's a great guess.
I have Claire Cognizant.
That's a great guess, not.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Claire Geography.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't have Claire Geography no.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I have Claire Carmen San Diego.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I have Claire.
Where's Waldo?
So, speaking of water, like Isaid, you've got Raystown Ray,
who's very much the Loch Ness ofcentral Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think every lake's got a monster.
I mean that's everywhere in theUnited States.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And they probably really do like humongous fish
that have survived.
But Raystown is self-made, it'sman-made Right.
And they probably really dolike humongous fish that have
survived.
But Raystown is self-made, it'sman-made right.
So how I mean kind of it's aflooded river is what they call
it.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's a man-made lake.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's a dammed river.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well then, a netty could have got there, it is
natural like in the sense oflike there was water there, but
they like falsify the levelsbecause they damn it up and then
it just gets big right, get thelake right so it's man-made in
a sense, but it's.
Was there a giant river beastthere before?
Is the real question.
I think you have to askyourself who could forget the
(20:36):
squonk I love that we talked touh brin athens brn.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Athyn.
What did I say?
Yeah, you said that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Bryn Athyn.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, you didn't say Bryn Mawr, that's not even in
Pennsylvania.
Is that in Pennsylvania?
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But you said it right .
All these Bryn words.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Stop using that B-R-Y-N.
What kind of word is that I?
Think it's irish well, thattells you a lot about it hi,
your boss might be listeningit's not an insult I'm just
saying so here's one that I'dnever heard of.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is there two broad tops in pennsylvania?
There's probably a lot becausethe broad top that I know is the
one outside of gettysburg rightand right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So it's weird, because it's broad top is one of
those terms.
It's like south mountain, right?
You know what I'm saying?
It's like every region has likea something they call that,
because it's like people weren'tthat creative back in the day.
They didn't know that there wasgoing to be 19,000 broad tops
by the time they got done andthey kept on going with it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I'm with you.
What else the?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Dog man of Westmoreland County.
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean wolf boy Wolfie.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Wolfie Running around .
Actually we I will say this wehave seen a Sasquatch right here
in town In Moxham.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Many a sighting.
I've seen him walk into Bilo.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I've seen him at karaoke.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Shopping in Bilo.
Did you just fart?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Really bad.
We're going to have to cut thatout.
I'm not cutting it.
Yeah, did you just fart Really?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
bad, we're going to have to cut that out.
Put a mark on there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Put a mark on there because I probably made a face
and everything.
Leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sorry, Okay.
So let's talk about I don'teven know how to say this one.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Let's talk about the giggle goggle.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, I don't even know how to say it, it's called
giggle goggle G-I-Woggle,g-i-woggle, g-i-woggle.
G-i-woggle.
I don't even want to say itagain.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I feel like that should just be a search engine
to compete with Google.
Google.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
However, it's another one of those filthy creatures
that does the bidding of witches.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The witches are always involved With people
doing Demons, witches andbidding.
They're all in cryptids Allthings are doing bidding for
witches and they're using thingsaround them to do their bidding
Demons, cryptids, foxfire.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
So one more callback realquickly, and then we're going to
get into UFOs for a secundo.
Yeah, so one of my favoritestories that you used to tell me
is your dad's ghost story fromLinganore.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh yeah, I mean there's not a lot to that one.
No, but it's just so awesome,no dad just was and my dad's had
a history of paranormalactivity.
one might say he's clairegustin's no no, I mean, these
boys like to eat, but no, nohe's, but he's no, I'm just
saying he's had numerousparanormal things, but the
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scariest one that he always saysis that he was at the top of
the he I don't know if he hearda noise or something downstairs
and he like went to the top ofthe stairs and like or was
coming down the stairs and therewas like a, a boy and he said
it was so super real.
And then, like he ran up thestairs and ran through him and
dad said it was like real coldand real chilling and he was
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like really freaked out about itand then, like come to find out
that the neighbors so it was ahalf a house right the neighbors
were like experiencing likeweird stuff there I love it, but
, uh, I love it, yeah, veryscary.
I love ghost stories um, I had afew sleep paralysis episodes in
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the basement where I heardthings coming down the stairs
and then opening my door andcoming in and getting me, coming
up between me and the mattress.
You know what I mean, and likeit would be that's scary sleep
paralysis.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You never had that happen I mean, I chalk it up to
sleep paralysis because, like Iwoke up, like I mean there were
a lot.
I mean I've had like the dreamswhere, like I've been punching
things and it felt like I washitting pillows or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
As somebody that's had numerous sleep paralysis
dreams.
It always involves somethingcoming to you like I had that.
I had it happen when I was ateenager at the house home in
green castle, and it would belike something in the basement
and I don't know what it wasbecause I would never be looking
(25:38):
right and like, if it's gonnaget me, I don't want to see it
Right.
Always like come.
That one didn't come up betweenme and the mattress.
That one just like came overtop of me and then, like I woke
up, like I'd be like and thatwould wake me up.
And that's how I knew it wasjust a dream, but it's weird how
it always involves somethingcoming to get you.
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That's why people think it's soreal.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Maybe it is coming to get you.
That's why people think it's soreal.
Right, it is hell.
I don't know like.
I don't like my feet stickingout because I'm scared to death
that something's gonna touch myfeet.
Um, I don't know why.
It's irrational because, but Ijust don't want anybody touching
my feet.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
If they're gonna get me, they can get me through the
blankets, I don't care what'sweird, I guess, is the time that
I uh, I mean I've still rightnow I've had some sleep
paralysis, but I was just gonnasay that I used to be scared of
like things like that.
I think the more scared you areof it, I feel like the more
likely it is well, I mean ifthat makes sense we're going to
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unpack all this anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But in my dreams a lot, I was preparing for battle,
so I was always doing feats ofcraziness.
That's so strange.
Well, one of mine was that inmy dreams I always was able to
jump from the top of my stairsto the bottom step without
getting hurt, and it was arecurring dream for me and it
was part of my getting away plan.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So I've flown a couple times.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I love those dreams flying you kidding me well, I
think the first time I flew, Irealized that I didn't have a
cape on and I was like what thefuck is this?
You can fly without a cape.
Um so when I yeah, when I wasyounger, my dreams had me
believing that I was going to belike a superhero someday.
But again, I am going to be asuperhero.
(27:32):
Um so, ufos I'm going to divein.
Just because I am Clairesalient does not mean I want to
smell extra things today.
Um so my mom has been tellingme this story story for years,
(27:57):
and steery, steery.
My mom's been telling me thisand she asked me not to say her
name, even though anybody whoknows me knows her name.
So I'm not going to say hername, but my mom, to protect the
innocent, someone who helpedraise me.
But it takes away from thestory, so I have to tell it this
way, right?
So my dad lived in wimber andmy mom lived in johnstown when
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they first started dating, solike she was hanging out at his
house and then she left hishouse to go back down to her
parents' house.
Now, she originally thoughtthis was in 72, which wouldn't
have coincided with my thoughtsand dreams, but um, it was
actually in my dad believes itwas in 74.
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Was actually in my dad believesit was in 74.
So she left my dad's house andwas coming down 219 and she saw
a bunch of people pulled overand we're at 219, she said
outside of solomon homes.
But that doesn't make sense tome because I thought that was 56
, 56, okay, so she was comingdown 56 and if you know the
(29:03):
person we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This is a very common error.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So she was coming down.
She said it was outside theSolomon homes and every there
was a bunch of people pulledover.
So she pulled over to see whythey were pulled over and they
were all looking at these lightsup in the sky.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And this is way before Starlink.
Has somebody seen lights in thesky?
How many times will you watchthese things?
People catch on camera.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Nowadays it's Starlink, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well, there's a lot more shit in the sky.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Nowadays, which is why you get a ton of videos that
are.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right.
But this is the 70s Right.
There's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right Outside that are Right, but this is the 70s
Right.
There's not a lot Right Outsideof airplanes, helicopters, I
mean that's pretty much it Right.
Right, I mean not that theydidn't have some satellites, but
you get the idea.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
No, exactly.
So what would you say?
The commute from Wimber toJohnstown is Maybe 20 minutes At
the most.
At the most, I mean my mom Inheavy traffic.
Yeah, my mom's a good driverand she's probably driving the
speed limit We'll say 15 isprobably more realistic.
But she came down the highwayyeah, about 15 minutes to get
(30:13):
from Wimber to Johnstone whereshe lived.
When she got home she called mydad and he said why did it take
you two hours to get home?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
He thought she stopped off at the old illegal
gambling the old sugar shackgambling, then in the back of
the laundry mat.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh, what was it remember yeah, but remember that
um lady that did comedy inpittsburgh, um, that was from
johnstown.
She was talking about the olddance, the old dance hall, the
old band hall, the old band hall.
But anyways, star, star,something or other, it doesn't
matter.
(30:53):
Regardless of all this, mywhole point of this story is
that my mom doesn't believe thatshe was standing outside of her
car for two hours.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
She was by herself.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
She was by herself, but there were other vehicles
stopped like families and otherpeople.
So if it was any time betweenOctober 1st-ish of 1974 and July
17th-ish of 1975, then I mayseriously be an alien baby.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think she would remember if it was closer to
your birthday, because thatwould be in the story.
She'd be like I was eightmonths pregnant.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, exactly, and I already wasn't feeling good.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You know your mom's stories.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Exactly but for real, if it was any time between
October 1st and the end ofNovember, which is likely but
not.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You're a clear alien.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I've been?
How many days have I woke upand said I don't think I belong
here, I'm an alien.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Right, which is also a thing that people think, but
maybe they really are.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's the thing.
Well, it's linked to autism now.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
so Maybe that's linked to aliens.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So when I went to open my iPad, it was 523.
Whoa, Is that my son telling methat I was an alien from the
beyond?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You're an alien baby, but it very well could be.
But let's talk about alienabductions yeah that's a very
common theme, like your mom'sstory, like it hits a lot of the
point missing time, like otherpeople there, like don't really
you know what I mean, don'treally remember right, you know
what I mean.
Right, all of that with lossthat very common among so the
(32:44):
fact that the stories do make somuch, have so much overlap with
each other.
It's like something's going on.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
But like what is it?
I guess we don't really know.
But Well, I don't have anyalien abduction stories.
I don't know anybody that thathappened to.
But you know that I did see meand our nephew.
We were in Myrtle Beach, whichis a huge hotspot.
Yes, people see there's beenreports of UFOs being chafed by
(33:15):
fighter jets because there'slike well, we do that one show
in South yeah.
There is a Air Force base inSouth Carolina that does a lot
of practice, stuff like out overthe ocean and stuff there.
So you see a lot of lights.
But there's these reports.
There's things that you know,like what can and can't happen.
What we saw was nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
People who study it know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, what we saw was nothing like that.
We weren't the only ones there.
You remember there's a smallcrowd there on the beach.
We're watching these lights.
They were like going into eachother.
They were like a bunch oflights.
There was like one light.
They were like in it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It was very weird and it wasn't like one of those.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It was on the ocean, so we definitely know it was way
out there it was not one ofthose marquee things that's like
doing an event.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, it was way out in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Like it was strange enough that there was a small
crowd there watching this.
Like what is that?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And we talked to other people, other locals, that
had seen stuff that was reallycrazy out there.
Cameron still talks about it.
I just mentioned his name likea dummy, but whatever, who cares
.
He was in the Navy and he toldme that he never saw anything
when he was out on any of themships.
(34:30):
So the fact that he still knowswhat we saw that day says a lot
too.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
He doesn't think that , he's not like oh, now I know
what that was Right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right or anything like that.
Right, and I think he was.
Oh, wasn't he like a weaponsspecialist for a while?
So oh, I don't know, but he was.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
whatever his he was out in a UFO hotspot out in San
Diego.
You know the Nimitz incidenthappened and you know the videos
at the Pentagon police.
That's where all that stuffhappened right, not the only
place.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They also did the Jets ones, not Jets but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, they did release some videos that were
out on the east coast too, butthe Nimitz was out by San Pedro
Island, which is out by SanDiego.
What's in Nimitz?
That's the one where they sawthe thing coming in.
Now the water David Fravor bySan Pedro Island, which is out
by San Diego.
What's in Nimitz?
That's the one where they sawthe thing coming in and out of
the water David.
Fravor and the fighter jets wentafter it.
They were chasing it and stuff.
Very reliable If a fighterpilot tells me something.
(35:31):
These are people like BlueAngel guys.
These are the best pilots inthe world flying the best
machines in the world Right bestmachines in the world right and
they take their jobs prettyfucking seriously.
They tell me something wasweird yeah, they don't know what
it was and it was defyingeverything that they know about
flight.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
These guys are like aerospace engineers and they
like are sometimes even likehesitant to talk about it,
because they don't want to bemistaken for right for sure,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's like people are like oh, they do it for
whatever, but like what?
What do they?
What do you really gain by that?
A couple history channelinterviews right like it's not
like you're.
I mean, maybe you get a bookdeal.
What do you do?
Right like it's not like you'remaking like it's not like.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're set for the rest of your life if you start
telling this ufo story and it'skind of a pain in the ass
because you got to deal with thenaysayers.
You get bothered by people onboth sides right.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
The people that are like oh, I don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
And then the people that like, take it too far right
, you know what I mean, thatlike and allegedly you're
putting your life at risk byeven coming out, depending on
who's monitoring the Speaking ofUFOs, though, we have a very
famous UFO incident that we'vebeen to the spot where it
happened, right near where welive.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
What's it take?
About 45, 50 minutes, yeah it'sclose 45 minutes to get out
there, yeah less than an hour toget out there, kecksburg, very
famous ufo incident here inwestern pennsylvania.
And basically back in 1965, theuh, these people saw a huge
fireball, you know, fall out ofthe sky, basically, and then
(37:14):
they went and tracked it down.
There was this thing likeglowing in the woods.
It was like acorn shaped iswhat they said.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And there's like a statue.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, there's like a statue of it out there, but
every year they have a festivalout there that's like a cryptid
festival or something.
It's just like a paranormalfestival kind of, and you go
inside and like it's fun.
Yeah, it's like at the firegrounds and they have, like, all
kinds of vendors sellingparanormal books and stuff it's
like a tiny baby.
(37:44):
Rural comic-con for paranormalufo paranormal well, you can't
even say ufo because most of itbut yeah, so the kecksburg
incident very famous and thenthe government supposedly came
in and shut it down and did allthat.
But that's right near here.
We've been there Very cool.
Go check out.
(38:05):
There's multiple documentarieson it.
There's Unsolved Mysteryepisodes.
It's out there, kecksburg'svery famous.
It's like Pennsylvania'sRoswell.
Matter of fact, that might bewhat they call it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
They do call it that.
It's crazy, though, because I'mnot into like aliens per se,
like I know that I believe thereare aliens.
I just feel like we'reridiculous to think that we're
the only sentient beings outthere.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, there's a lot of debate about what UFOs are.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Whether this is like beings from another, another
dimension, whether this isbeings from another planet.
Is it us in the future?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
right.
What is it?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I don't have an opinion one way or the other, I
don't know.
Like, obviously I think there'sufos, like I don't think that
every single one is credible,like story or whatever.
But I do think that there'scredible stories about things
flying around that we have noidea what they are.
And I do think there's crediblestories about things flying
around that we have no idea whatthey are.
And I do think there's crediblestories about like cryptids,
like time jumping, likedimensional creatures or
(39:07):
whatever you want to call it,and these stories have been told
throughout time, like of youknow what I mean, like humans
have always told these stories.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
What was that Graham Hancock book that I read a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That was really good on um that was about how people
see the same things during likeiowak dmt trips.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, all over the world people report the same
things.
These like machine worker elves, that like but they were also
trying to connect them to aliensas well.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, that's just it.
Nobody really knows.
You have this thing out there,so is it aliens, is it
interdimensional beings, is it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Or are you just being flooded by DMT in your own body
somehow in a moment?
Or are all these?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
things inside of you, right, we have no idea, but
that's what I'm saying.
I don't have an opinion aboutit.
I'm open to any of it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I don't study it enough, but I'm open-minded.
I mean, we'll just put it thatway.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, I don't have an opinion, although I don't care.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So when we decided to do the podcast, I reached out
to the Pennsylvania MUFON.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
MUF, pennsylvania, mufon, so that we could get our,
I could go to Mufon tonighthoney Mufaleta.
Mufon sounds like a type offood.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It does sound like a type of food.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I could go for Mufon.
It sounds like it's Asian.
I could go for a Mufon bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I'm just associating it with Greek food Mufon bowl
with noodles.
I'm associating it with Greekfood Mufon bowl.
See, I'm just associating itwith Greek food Mufon bowl with
noodles.
I'm associating it with Greekfood Mufaletta See, I was
associating it like what kind ofnoodles?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Mufon noodles, Mufon chicken.
Matter of fact that might be athing.
I don't know if it is May fun,is that's real close.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, I'm just saying it's like one letter off.
They probably got it.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So, but when you're talking about aliens there's
everybody has like the samesimilar kind of experience,
right?
Well, that's what I didn't getyou is the stories that shows
similarity, because then itlends credibility to it Right,
exactly, but is it like that,not mass hysteria, but like, is
it mass imprintation or whatever, where one story has become the
(41:29):
normal?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
right.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But they all seem to share one trait, which is that
they don't have, they're devoidof emotion.
And so at the end of the lastshow, I was talking about how I
really believe that these thingscould be, assuming that we're
programmed or that we're part ofthe sim.
(41:52):
What if aliens are just humans,minus their emotional
programming, like we talkedabout, you know, ghosts
potentially being like justleftover code, right?
Well, what if aliens are justanother program of humans that
they decided to strip emotionout to see, because emotion is
(42:15):
the hardest thing to getprogrammed to the binary level?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
This is what a lot of people speculate is that the
aliens are like the ones thatare actually run the simulation
and so sometimes they have tolike hard, get into there and
get like do whatever to try tolike interfere with it.
Right Grace Fartin too, by theway, it stinks.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Grace Fartin.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Gee that chicken.
That's why, or it might havebeen me.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Um, oh, that aliens are us in the future and that
they're also running asimulation of the past, because
they're trying to get like theit's, it's like posited that
something goes wrong in thefuture.
Yeah, so they're trying torerun the simulation so they can
(43:06):
get back to some like geneticcode to reset something, which
is why they like abduct peopleand stuff, because they're
trying to like harvest geneticcode per se, because they're
trying to get like back to areset point for themselves as a
species which is just us, butlike it's all future.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know like that's why I got a combination of
clairs crazy assigned to meright because they're trying to
figure out which combination ofclairs make the right human,
make the right clair, becauseyou can't have all the clairs.
If you have all the clairstogether, you're like.
You're like you know from theright Claire, because you can't
have all the Claires.
If you have all the Clairestogether, you're like Thanos,
you're like.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Ro from the X-Men.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, you're like superhuman.
Yeah, I don't want to besuperhuman, I'm partially super,
but so obviously we always talkabout movies.
I'm not into alien research perse, but I love alien movies.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But yet you don't like the movie.
Alien I don't, or Aliens, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You don't like the series.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I don't like this you claim to like alien movies, yet
you don't like the one moviethat's like titled after the
word that you're talking about.
It's being like I don't likescary movies, but I don't like
the movie Scary Movie.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Don't put words in my mouth, no.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Don't start any rumors, please.
No, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Although I do like the alien movies.
But I also love other alienmovies too.
But let's talk about the bestalien movie, paul Paul.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Hands down.
Paul is the best alien moviegod never made like I love that.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
It has everybody in it.
It's so funny.
Go watch it ah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's the best.
I love that movie.
It's hilarious.
Fucking kristen wigg is uh.
All of them like the whole castyou can't even you can't even
pick a favorite it's so good butmy favorite are the men in
black series as well men inblack like I watched those over
and over and over again.
Et cocoon I loved cocoon movies.
Fire in the sky.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's a scary that's scary shit, dude.
When I saw that I was like firein the sky was the first time
that I heard of alien abduction.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
It was the first time I was actually ever terrified
of aliens.
As a kid I was like well firein the sky.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
This guy got abducted by an alien, like what, like?
This was new concept to me, soit was very scary.
And, I'm pretty sure, alienscan take you Now I have another
thing to be afraid of.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think.
I mean it probably wasn't thefirst time that I ever saw a man
cry on a movie, but it's thefirst time that I ever saw a man
cry on a movie.
But it's the first time that Iever saw a man cry in a movie
and felt his pain like I wasterrified for him the guy that
plays travis walton, and then healso played in another great
movie, the cutting edge as afigure skater.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So corny, so corny, but I'm saying that guy was on
his game in the early 90s, thecutting edge, and then fire in
the sky.
What?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
So let's.
You cannot talk about all thiswithout talking about the
Mandela effect.
See, I'm one of those people.
I firmly believe that I knew hedied before he died.
See, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You even asked me, when you first heard of it, like
the actual effect, like that ithad a name you asked me about
and you're like, do you remember?
And I'm like, yeah, I rememberhim getting out of prison and do
it because it was like a bigdeal.
When I was in school we got outof prison and then everybody
celebrated he won, like timeemergence of the internet being
(46:34):
something that you could haveinformation at your fingertips.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
But if you weren't watching the news and you
weren't on the internet, there'sa good chance you missed it,
which is why it may not havejumped out to you, right?
So was I just busy with otherthings at that point?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
in my life that I wouldn't have but?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
but when I read the article I was like, yeah, I
remember when he died in prison,right.
So then I started reading someof the other cases.
And the Berenstain bears justBerenstain.
So that is very, very, verypersonal for me Very personal
Because I remember.
I remember Because when I wasin fifth grade, right.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I don't really even know.
First off, let's talk aboutwhat the conspiracy is, because
I don't even really know whatthe real answer is and what's
supposedly the effect.
So let's talk about that first.
The Mandela effect theory onthe berenstain bears is that it
wasn't beren stain s-t-a-i-n.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
That's how it really is.
That's how it is now it isb-e-r-e-n-s-t-a-i-n.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Okay, see, that's how I think that I remember, but I
can't be a hundred.
But go ahead now share yourstory.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Right.
So the Mandela effect theory isthat it was barren S T E I N
like Stein or stain, right,steen.
So when I was in fifth grade Iused to go once a week or
whatever and read to thekindergartners and I remember
(48:22):
and I was like I was a spellingbee champion, I was a perfect
reader.
I was reading at like a thirdgrade level when I was in
kindergarten.
Like so I, so my concept oflanguage was very clear to me
and I distinctly remember askingmy teacher before she's like do
you got the book?
(48:42):
Are you ready to go?
Did you practice?
And I was like yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like I have one questionIs this pronounced Berenstein or
Berenstein?
And I only would have askedthat If it was E-I-N, if it was
E-I-N.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Now we also need to go back too, because I totally
realize we also didn't even sayexactly what the Mandela effect
is for people that don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There might be people that don't know there might be,
because there's a lot of peoplethat.
Well, if you haven't heard ofit, you are prepare yourself to
go down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Right if you do look it up, but basically what it is
is that a collective group ofpeople remember something
different than what is nowaccepted to be the general
history of something right solike, for example, a group of
people remember nelson mandeladying in prison, but history has
(49:35):
that he did not.
He got out later in the 90s.
Yada y, yada, yada.
Or, like she just said, withthe Berenstain Bears.
People remember it beingBerenstein Bears.
Well, even the but theyremember it being spelled E-I-N
instead of A-I-N.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Right, that's exactly it.
And there's other ones.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
There's ones where people remember Sinbad being in
a movie where he was a genie.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I remember that too.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I remember that movie , it was called something or
other, I don't remember.
But there's a whole thing aboutthat, but there I mean there's
a hundred of these things Right.
But these are some of the morepopular ones.
But you just had a personalexperience with Berenstain Bears
.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, which now?
It's like I feel like it wasEIA now that you say that, like
right, and their son, I think ordaughter came out and like said
no, it's always been stayingright, it's just so weird,
though it's very weird, but um,and we've run into numerous
other ones like that well, so wedo have one example, and and so
(50:35):
the common thought behind themandela effect is that you're
shifting from one timeline to analternate timeline.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You're timeline jumping.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Right, and so, if that is the case, we both
experienced something of a Idon't know if it was a timeline
shift or a glitch in the matrixat the same time.
Do you remember what happenedthat day when you were up in
your office?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Oh yeah, so I was sitting there and I went.
I threw something away.
I don't remember what it wasthat I threw away.
I threw something away into thetrash can.
I watched it land in the trashcan, Like I saw it laying in the
bin.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Right and it was down in.
It wasn't like the trash can,like I saw it laying in the bin
right and it was down in.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
It wasn't like the trash was up to the brim, it was
down below the room right andthen, like I looked back like
five seconds late or no, did Ilook at.
I can't remember if I left theroom and came back in or if I
saw that and then left the room.
And that's when you're like,something weird just happened to
me.
But either way, the next time Ilook back there, what I had
(51:44):
just thrown away was laying onthe ground, as if I now and I
know that I didn't bounce outLike I tested all the scenarios,
I pulled it out, tested if itwould, could have possibly
ricocheted out, or, but like Iwatched it late, it was laying
in the trash can right and thenI went over to your room and I
was like something really weirdjust happened and at the exact
(52:05):
same time that he wasexperiencing that I was getting
something off of my closet shelf.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And when I was getting, when I was pulling a
purse down because I wasswitching out my purses, and
when I pulled the purse down,one of the pieces of my shelving
unit that was spare flew offthe top shelf and landed on the
floor and I wanted to rememberto pick it up, but I was still
fooling with the closet Right,so I took my foot and pushed it
(52:37):
out away so that it would be sothat I would remember, and I
pushed it to the middle of thefloor with my foot.
I looked down a second laterand it wasn't there at all at
all and it was completelyunderneath the bottom shelf of
the closet, like completelyunderneath.
It's like I never even did thatmove to move it.
It was crazy.
(52:59):
So, and that happened to us atthe same time.
So we believe that there was atime jump, time, time skip, time
skip yeah time skip, yeah,which is, you know, the glitch
of the matrix, deja vu, it allkind of the butterfly effect.
Oh, that's my.
I love that movie so much butit's terrifying.
(53:21):
But yeah, but that is it's.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It ties right into that.
Like jumping timelines, youknow what I mean, like skipping
right one little thing.
It goes back to classic timetravel scenario.
Change one thing back to thefuture.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yes, I love it.
It's like it gets all messed up.
It all goes back to basic timetravel theory so, um, let me see
what else we got to talk about.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
I mean, that's about it yeah, I mean, and we even
talked about how it all tiestogether, like at skinwalker
ranch and places like that, andjust even we talked about, like
Western Pennsylvania being ahotspot for cryptid sightings,
ufo sightings, I'm sure, if youdug into it, poltergeist
activity, but like, because Ithink there are certain areas
(54:10):
that are more charged up Ifthese are interdimensional
beings.
The fact of the matter is wehave no clue what's going on out
there.
The fact of the matter is wehave no clue what's going on out
there.
Something's going on like thesubatomic level, particle
physics, the Big Bang theory,cryptids, cross-shaped
jip-jumping through time.
We don't know, but it's somehowall connected.
(54:32):
But it's fun to look into.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
It is fun to look into.
Do you have a quote for thisweek?
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I'm going to do the quote.
Gonna do the quote.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Take my wife, please this quote is kind of weird
because I I like, I don't feellike anybody is ever trying to
take my man, and that's nodisservice to you because I'm.
This is no disservice to you atall, babe, I love you, but I
think bitches see me and theyback off.
(55:00):
I don't know what it is.
I don't think people are tryingto get me.
However, jolene knows, if shewants my man, she can take him.
No, I'm joking, so I'll leaveyou guys with this quote from
one Miss iconic, loretta Lynn.
Loretta Lynn, you've beenmaking your brags around town
(55:24):
that you've been loving my man,but the man I love, when he
picks up trash, he throws it ina garbage.
Can what?
Oh, my Lanta.
Wes Merlin Dogman coming at ya.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You just jump right in with us.
First of all, welcome to parttwo of our two-part Paranormal
series.
Normally at this point in theshow we do a callback to the
previous episode.
I mean, this entire episode isgoing to be a callback and then
some.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I would like to start with saying that the Steelers
gave one hell of an effort todayand that Justin Fields answered
a lot of questions and askedsome more questions, so we're
left with nothing.
But what do we have on the listto call back this episode?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sorry, steelers fans.
Yeah, sorry, it's because hedidn't take the terrible towels
down today.
He forgot.
I'm going to blame it on you.
We can start with the Clares, Iguess.
Get that list out of the wayreal quickly, because that's a
full-on touch bag.
So what do we have?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Where's the part about things we have to touch
back on now?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean pretty much all of it is like intertwined
with the rest of it.
So the two um key touchbacksare the claire's.
The list of claire's I'll justgo into that yeah's the list of
Claire's.
As in.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm Claire Gustin's, although I'm the opposite of
Claire Gustin's things.
Claire Gustin's is the abilityto taste without having eaten.
I'm going through the oppositeof that, where I'm tasting
things I've previously eaten.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh, otherwise known as heartburn yeah, or something
like that so there's a wholelist of clairs.
Um, and I was I was wrong onsome of them.
Um, so clairvoyance isinformation through vision, so
voy voyeur vision.
Um, and so somebody who'sclairvoyant usually sees
(02:07):
pictures that they can associate.
Um, I think tyler henry mightbe clairvoyant when he's a
medium.
Um, some people see pictures.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's debatable based on what he was saying the
last time um, it's a tough time.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So claircognizance is one of the ones that I have,
which is clear knowing um?
That's the one I reallystruggle with at work because,
like, how do I explain to myboss that I know something
without it's like showing thework in math, like I can't show
my work.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I just know, yeah, certain things people just have
a knack for being able toeyeball it.
That's where the term eyeballcomes from.
A little fact there for you,that's true.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's definitely not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Claire Aliens.
That's where you hear an alien.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So I took that off of a website directly, did not
change it.
They spelled it wrong becauseit didn't sound right to me.
It's Claire Salience, ah.
Website directly did not changeit.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
They spelled it wrong because I it didn't sound right
to me it's clairsalience.
Ah, I like clairsalience betterbecause that means that you see
aliens I do.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean I don't.
I've never seen an alien likeare you clairvoyant?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
no, I'm clairalience, I'm clearly an alien and
they're like oh, I see aliens hiI'm.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Claire's Aliens is one of the other ones that I
wrote.
Claire of Tangency, hold on asecond, let's talk about it.
So Claire's Aliens is theheightened ability to smell
things, even phantom smells, sowe talked about that in the last
episode.
You can smell bears.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
No, but I'm saying, bears smell is like 6,000 times
more powerful than a human.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh then, yeah, I'm part bear.
Claire audience obviously ishearing audible sounds from well
, the non-obvious part is otherrealms.
I don't know if that's obviousor not, but Claire audience is
hearing sounds, so like peoplewho have Claire audience can um
(04:07):
hear music like we did.
But I think that music was likea ghost pattern.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, I don't think that just because you do
something doesn't mean you haveit, doesn't mean you have that
ability just cause we heard likea phantom noise Doesn't mean
that we suddenly have thisability.
We just happened to thesethings more If you can have the
ability to not necessarily oncommand, but have the ability to
do it outside of likerepeatedly right, right,
(04:35):
repeatedly Right, just isolatedincidents, because it's a
heightened ability.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's not just like a flash Cause the flashes, it's an
ability.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's not a circumstance.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Like it's those things happen to us.
We didn't have the ability tohear it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, that's exactly it, you know that's a great.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What we're referencing is when we heard
music playing that we couldn'tfigure out the source of.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
In one of our previous homes.
That didn't mean that we wereclaire audience, although I
would like to say next time thatI'm doing stand-up, I'm gonna
be like, please don't be just anaudience, be a claire audience
oh my god please be a claireaudience okay, so you wanted to
(05:25):
jump down to Claire tangency.
Well, I'd like to talk moreabout Claire.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Gustins, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Claire Gustamante.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You just want to say that word.
Claire Gustamante, claireGustins, I like it.
Claire Gustamante, mucho gusto.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Claire Gustins.
How is it?
Is it Claire Gustins, gustins?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah or Gustans.
I think it's Gustans becauseit's something to do with Claire
Gustans.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Is it Claire Gustans?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, no, but it's about toast.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
C-L-A-I-R-A-L.
Oh no, I'm looking at the wrongone C-L-A-I-R-G-U-S-T-A-N-C-E.
I wonder, Just so somebodythat's listening knows what
we're talking about.
Is it Gustens, Gustens orKlerkestans?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, it's not Klerkestans.
Stop doing that.
That sounds like a German.
You're hurting my brain.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That sounds like a German word Be like he's.
Hitler took a very strongcleric stance.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean technically he did because he was starving,
though, so I wonder if that'swhere the term go, for the gusto
comes from gusto gusto, go forthe gusto is what I like to do
nobody says that, though you'reacting like a real silly gusto.
Okay, so clear tangency.
(06:50):
This is what a lot of mediumsdo to get like a feeling
Tangerine.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Is that where the same word comes from?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
No, tangent, tangent, tangible, tangible.
Yeah To touch.
Tangerines comes from no,tangent, tangent, tangible,
tangible.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah to touch, yes, no tangerine something I bet
it's got something to do with it.
Tango probably comes from thesame word.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It takes two um, so it's the, it's the gift of touch
, basically, um, which soundsreally gross when you I've got
the gift of touch.
Sounds like something joe bidenhas the gift of clear, clare
tangency clare tangency, claretangency it sounds like an irish
(07:38):
allergy.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I've got clare tangency.
Picks me up some of thatClareton Jensey from the store.
That wasn't whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That was more Scottish than Irish, but I'll
take it.
But yeah, like you know what'sher name, what was that Warren
lady's name?
The Warrens Diane Diane, yousaid that so well, I'm on fire
(08:10):
today, buddy, I tell you.
Diane Warren is a singer.
I know she's a singer.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
She's one of the most talented songwriters in history
.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
She's very Claire-oddient.
No, lorraine Warren, I thinkshe was Claire Tangent.
Right, that was Ed.
Yeah, ed and Lorraine.
Yeah, ed and Lorraine Warren, Ithink she was Claire Tangent.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Right, that was Ed.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Ed and Lorraine .
Yeah, Ed and Lorraine.
This is the last one and thisis the one that I have the most
of, so I have Claire.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Claire.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Sentience, claire, sentience, claire, sentience.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I like to speak very Claire Sentences.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'm a sentient.
What is a sentient being?
I don't want to say that outloud if I'm not.
It's like when AI comes to life.
Oh yeah, it feels.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's what it is.
It's like when you feel,because that's what sentient
means.
It's like if you say that theAI became sentient, it means
that it has feelings.
It's like has consciousness.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh, chappy, chappy, great movie.
I love chappy, so I am.
I am Claire, sentient, and sothat means, why are you making
that face Chappy?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No, maybe sad, um haircut though that guy, this
South African rap white rappers.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my God, very, it was very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Very bizarre Very weird Ninja.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I love their accents, though.
It's almost like they have sothat South African accent.
It's almost like they have acomputer in the back of their.
It's fun, it's like they click,like it's a fun accent.
I'm going to have to do that.
I'm going to have to do that.
I'm going to have to learn thataccent.
So, claire's Indians, that'swhat I am, and I am a fucking
(09:50):
emotional bowl of jello mostdays, which is why I stay away
from people, because the morealso, speaking about the last
show, Lasher slasher.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot aboutthat, thank you.
So, if you all remember or not,I called upon the demon spirit
(10:12):
Lasher to do my bidding.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think you told the story.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, I did tell the story, but what I forgot to tell
you all is that.
So what was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You were talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You were talking about.
Be, arthur, don't be too wildon your tangents.
Last night was comedy.
Today's podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's gotta be funny too.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
A little bit Um.
So the next day after I call,after I had that experience
where I believe there was a darkshadow in my room, my
ex-husband called me to ask meif I had been near his
(10:57):
girlfriend's house.
I hadn't, but I asked why, ofcourse, and it was because she
had just gotten her eagle talonout of the paint shop, gotten a
brand new paint job, and somehowthere was human.
He said there was human fecessmeared all over it Human feces.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, pup.
Pup, I don't know how he knewthat it was human and not dog,
or horse or snail, yes, orsomething else with talons, I
know, and it was down near notdog or horse or snelly gas or
something else with talons.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I know, and it was down near maryland that part of
maryland it could have been,could have very well been, could
have been.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But that brings us to .
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Brings us to cryptids so it's fall wedding season,
which I am overjoyed about, andlast year I, I think I swear
we've been to a Halloweenwedding every single year, for,
like the last.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think this was like three years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It was two, was it?
I don't think it was the firstyear we moved up here, but I
could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
When did they get married?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Bryce and Ellie.
How long have you been married?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Regardless.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Regardless Fall weddings, I love them, them.
We were at a fall wedding.
We decided we were gonna drivearound frederick hanging out
because fall wedding infrederick maryland yeah and so
we were just killing timebetween whatever events were
going on.
And what's that little townthat I love?
That's really quaint and artsy.
(12:24):
It puts me in the mind ofPenmar, or my brain wants to say
Burkittsville, which is a wholedifferent thing.
It's not.
It's definitely not, that'sjust a little strip of houses.
Yeah, it's not Burkittsville andit's not Walkersville, but it's
out around there and it's wherethey had that.
(12:44):
It's where the Snallygasteroriginated.
I was doing research on thattown, middle town, it's middle
town but there's a little tiniertown.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
There's tinier towns around.
Yeah, I don't know which oneyou're talking about, it's
around middle town but there's alot of really.
There's a lot of good towns outthat way.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Really cute old it looks like.
It puts me in the mind of whatNantucket would have looked like
in the 1890s.
I don't know why.
That's where my brain goes.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
What's Nantucket look like now.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Modern Beach Homes, millionaires.
Where is Nantucket, rhodeIsland?
Modern beach homes,millionaires?
Where is Nantucket, rhodeIsland, rhode Island, up that
way somewhere?
I'm like this this is my logic.
We live in Pennsylvania, soNantucket is that way.
If I'm looking at a map upthere, so the that way, if I'm
(13:45):
looking at a map Up there, upthere.
So the Snallygaster,interestingly enough, was used
by what's that lady's name?
Jk Rowling.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
She wrote about it.
Well, she created like afictional thing named the
Snallygaster.
Basically, back in the old daysit was a big bird.
Right there's a big, giant bird, a thunderbird, coming to get
you it had.
Thunderbirds have been reportedto have been seen all over
pennsylvania the bryn mar beastor whatever it's right out by
philly or whatever um a longhistory of big giant.
(14:23):
I mean all over the UnitedStates.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean, and you could actually even lump the Mothman
in with those- a giant birdthing, something with wings that
has big eyes snatches peopletalons no talons.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't think the Mothman ever snatched nobody,
though.
These birds snatch people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's what they're known for the Mothman was just a
doomsayer right, he's like aharbinger.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Harbinger, I love that word.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
These birds snatch people.
That's what they're known for.
The Mothman was just adoomsayer, right, he's like a
harbinger Harbinger.
I love that word Harbinger ofdoom.
It's such an evil word but itsounds pretty.
It reminds me of Harbinger ofdoom.
Harbinger reminds me ofHarlequin Like the.
Harlequin romance novels I lovethose words so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Snallygasters.
But yeah, my family probablydid them, they probably got them
.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, no, because it started with German folklore in
that valley of Maryland whereyour family settled, where my
family's from, and they'reGermans.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Exactly, those bastards were Germans.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I think they're the ones that started the
Snelligaster rumors, and I canactually see Mary Wetzel Reed.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Long before that, long before that, but I could
see some of the people that weredown there, some of the you
could see how the folklore washeavily passed through the
generations.
Oh, big time I love it, and mygrandma used to tell me stories
not about big giant birdssnatching people out of the sky,
but various cryptid likephenomena.
(15:51):
You know what I mean Mythicalcreatures that roam the woods.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Right, well, again they like.
You think of Grimm's fairytales.
Those came over here from overthere and they all have mystical
creatures where there's forestpeople are going to make up
stories about beast being inthere.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's lots of forest.
When they brought the forest ofeurope, when they brought those
stories over, they put themright in pennsylvania instead I
love it well.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, Pennsylvania has some gorgeous forests.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I mean doesn't Vania mean woods?
It does, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So it's like Well, I mean, and water, or forest, or
whatever Right.
So anywhere there's woods andanywhere there's water, pretty
much anywhere there's earththere's mythical creatures,
let's be real People.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
they're always like where there's forest.
Well, I mean granted, there'snot forest everywhere, but
there's a lot of fucking forest.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And there's a lot of mythical creatures, and there's
a lot of mythical creatures andPennsylvania is home to quite a
few.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
A long history of mythical creatures.
Yes, we got dogmans, and rightnearby here there's a big
Bigfoot thing.
People really see Bigfoot herein.
Pennsylvania, westernPennsylvania is actually like a
hotspot.
Again.
We talked about theconnectivity between Bigfoots,
cryptids, ufos, hauntings,because, just like at Skinwalker
(17:26):
Ranch, they experiencepoltergeist activity, creatures,
ufo sightings.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Strange illnesses.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
High strangeness.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
High strangeness Gina who coined that term.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I don't.
J Allen Heinrich, I believe, isthe guy's name.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
J Allen Heinrich, who was?
That, I believe, is the guy'sname.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
J Allen Heinrich is the guy that coined that term,
so he was originally Not to beconfused with Heimlich.
He well, so he was involvedwith.
I don't know who was in chargeof Project Blue Book, whether it
was like the CIA, somebody inthe government.
Project Blue Book was like thething where they were like
investigating ufos.
Jay allen heineck worked forthe government and then he
(18:08):
became like the leading uforesearcher.
He actually consulted on closeencounters of the third kind,
the reason.
That's where I even knew what todo double click was because jay
allen heineck was like theconsultant and actually in the
movie he's like the one thatfirst goes into up to the ship
(18:28):
to greet the aliens oh, I couldwatch that movie, but um I love
that movie he uh yeah, he alsocoined the term, I believe,
close encounter so and he wrotea book about like he went from
being like the government thingand he must have seen like so
much to it that he like startedto believe the people or
(18:48):
whatever, and kind of startedworking for the other side.
I guess you could say I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I love conspiracies, but we will get to UFOs.
We're going to talk aboutcryptids for just another minute
, so I didn't look into this one, but there's something called
the Waterford Sheep man and it'sa humanoid that's covered in
horns, kind of like the Whoathat sounds scary.
What's that movie Role Models?
It's like the Minotaur.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh right.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No, I'm just making that up, I mean, but it
terrorized Waterford in the1970s.
Where's Waterford?
Somewhere in Pennsylvania?
I'm going to guess that it'sover by Philly.
I could be wrong.
That's a great guess.
I have Claire Cognizant.
That's a great guess, not.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Claire Geography.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't have Claire Geography no.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I have Claire Carmen San Diego.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I have Claire.
Where's Waldo?
So, speaking of water, like Isaid, you've got Raystown Ray,
who's very much the Loch Ness ofcentral Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think every lake's got a monster.
I mean that's everywhere in theUnited States.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And they probably really do like humongous fish
that have survived.
But Raystown is self-made, it'sman-made Right.
And they probably really dolike humongous fish that have
survived.
But Raystown is self-made, it'sman-made right.
So how I mean kind of it's aflooded river is what they call
it.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's a man-made lake.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's a dammed river.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Well then, a netty could have got there, it is
natural like in the sense oflike there was water there, but
they like falsify the levelsbecause they damn it up and then
it just gets big right, get thelake right so it's man-made in
a sense, but it's.
Was there a giant river beastthere before?
Is the real question.
I think you have to askyourself who could forget the
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squonk I love that we talked touh brin athens brn.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Athyn.
What did I say?
Yeah, you said that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Bryn Athyn.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, you didn't say Bryn Mawr, that's not even in
Pennsylvania.
Is that in Pennsylvania?
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But you said it right .
All these Bryn words.
I don't even know what thatmeans.
Stop using that B-R-Y-N.
What kind of word is that I?
Think it's irish well, thattells you a lot about it hi,
your boss might be listeningit's not an insult I'm just
saying so here's one that I'dnever heard of.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Is there two broad tops in pennsylvania?
There's probably a lot becausethe broad top that I know is the
one outside of gettysburg rightand right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So it's weird, because it's broad top is one of
those terms.
It's like south mountain, right?
You know what I'm saying?
It's like every region has likea something they call that,
because it's like people weren'tthat creative back in the day.
They didn't know that there wasgoing to be 19,000 broad tops
by the time they got done andthey kept on going with it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I'm with you.
What else the?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Dog man of Westmoreland County.
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean wolf boy Wolfie.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Wolfie Running around .
Actually we I will say this wehave seen a Sasquatch right here
in town In Moxham.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Many a sighting.
I've seen him walk into Bilo.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I've seen him at karaoke.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Shopping in Bilo.
Did you just fart?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Really bad.
We're going to have to cut thatout.
I'm not cutting it.
Yeah, did you just fart Really?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
bad, we're going to have to cut that out.
Put a mark on there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Put a mark on there because I probably made a face
and everything.
Leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sorry, Okay.
So let's talk about I don'teven know how to say this one.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Let's talk about the giggle goggle.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, I don't even know how to say it, it's called
giggle goggle G-I-Woggle,g-i-woggle, g-i-woggle.
G-i-woggle.
I don't even want to say itagain.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I feel like that should just be a search engine
to compete with Google.
Google.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
However, it's another one of those filthy creatures
that does the bidding of witches.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The witches are always involved With people
doing Demons, witches andbidding.
They're all in cryptids Allthings are doing bidding for
witches and they're using thingsaround them to do their bidding
Demons, cryptids, foxfire.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
So one more callback realquickly, and then we're going to
get into UFOs for a secundo.
Yeah, so one of my favoritestories that you used to tell me
is your dad's ghost story fromLinganore.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh yeah, I mean there's not a lot to that one.
No, but it's just so awesome,no dad just was and my dad's had
a history of paranormalactivity.
one might say he's clairegustin's no no, I mean, these
boys like to eat, but no, nohe's, but he's no, I'm just
saying he's had numerousparanormal things, but the
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scariest one that he always saysis that he was at the top of
the he I don't know if he hearda noise or something downstairs
and he like went to the top ofthe stairs and like or was
coming down the stairs and therewas like a, a boy and he said
it was so super real.
And then, like he ran up thestairs and ran through him and
dad said it was like real coldand real chilling and he was
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like really freaked out about itand then, like come to find out
that the neighbors so it was ahalf a house right the neighbors
were like experiencing likeweird stuff there I love it, but
, uh, I love it, yeah, veryscary.
I love ghost stories um, I had afew sleep paralysis episodes in
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the basement where I heardthings coming down the stairs
and then opening my door andcoming in and getting me, coming
up between me and the mattress.
You know what I mean, and likeit would be that's scary sleep
paralysis.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You never had that happen I mean, I chalk it up to
sleep paralysis because, like Iwoke up, like I mean there were
a lot.
I mean I've had like the dreamswhere, like I've been punching
things and it felt like I washitting pillows or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
As somebody that's had numerous sleep paralysis
dreams.
It always involves somethingcoming to you like I had that.
I had it happen when I was ateenager at the house home in
green castle, and it would belike something in the basement
and I don't know what it wasbecause I would never be looking
(25:38):
right and like, if it's gonnaget me, I don't want to see it
Right.
Always like come.
That one didn't come up betweenme and the mattress.
That one just like came overtop of me and then, like I woke
up, like I'd be like and thatwould wake me up.
And that's how I knew it wasjust a dream, but it's weird how
it always involves somethingcoming to get you.
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That's why people think it's soreal.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Maybe it is coming to get you.
That's why people think it's soreal.
Right, it is hell.
I don't know like.
I don't like my feet stickingout because I'm scared to death
that something's gonna touch myfeet.
Um, I don't know why.
It's irrational because, but Ijust don't want anybody touching
my feet.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
If they're gonna get me, they can get me through the
blankets, I don't care what'sweird, I guess, is the time that
I uh, I mean I've still rightnow I've had some sleep
paralysis, but I was just gonnasay that I used to be scared of
like things like that.
I think the more scared you areof it, I feel like the more
likely it is well, I mean ifthat makes sense we're going to
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unpack all this anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But in my dreams a lot, I was preparing for battle,
so I was always doing feats ofcraziness.
That's so strange.
Well, one of mine was that inmy dreams I always was able to
jump from the top of my stairsto the bottom step without
getting hurt, and it was arecurring dream for me and it
was part of my getting away plan.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So I've flown a couple times.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I love those dreams flying you kidding me well, I
think the first time I flew, Irealized that I didn't have a
cape on and I was like what thefuck is this?
You can fly without a cape.
Um so when I yeah, when I wasyounger, my dreams had me
believing that I was going to belike a superhero someday.
But again, I am going to be asuperhero.
(27:32):
Um so, ufos I'm going to divein.
Just because I am Clairesalient does not mean I want to
smell extra things today.
Um so my mom has been tellingme this story story for years,
(27:57):
and steery, steery.
My mom's been telling me thisand she asked me not to say her
name, even though anybody whoknows me knows her name.
So I'm not going to say hername, but my mom, to protect the
innocent, someone who helpedraise me.
But it takes away from thestory, so I have to tell it this
way, right?
So my dad lived in wimber andmy mom lived in johnstown when
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they first started dating, solike she was hanging out at his
house and then she left hishouse to go back down to her
parents' house.
Now, she originally thoughtthis was in 72, which wouldn't
have coincided with my thoughtsand dreams, but um, it was
actually in my dad believes itwas in 74.
(28:42):
Was actually in my dad believesit was in 74.
So she left my dad's house andwas coming down 219 and she saw
a bunch of people pulled overand we're at 219, she said
outside of solomon homes.
But that doesn't make sense tome because I thought that was 56
, 56, okay, so she was comingdown 56 and if you know the
(29:03):
person we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This is a very common error.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
So she was coming down.
She said it was outside theSolomon homes and every there
was a bunch of people pulledover.
So she pulled over to see whythey were pulled over and they
were all looking at these lightsup in the sky.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
And this is way before Starlink.
Has somebody seen lights in thesky?
How many times will you watchthese things?
People catch on camera.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Nowadays it's Starlink, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well, there's a lot more shit in the sky.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Nowadays, which is why you get a ton of videos that
are.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right.
But this is the 70s Right.
There's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right Outside that are Right, but this is the 70s
Right.
There's not a lot Right Outsideof airplanes, helicopters, I
mean that's pretty much it Right.
Right, I mean not that theydidn't have some satellites, but
you get the idea.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
No, exactly.
So what would you say?
The commute from Wimber toJohnstown is Maybe 20 minutes At
the most.
At the most, I mean my mom Inheavy traffic.
Yeah, my mom's a good driverand she's probably driving the
speed limit We'll say 15 isprobably more realistic.
But she came down the highwayyeah, about 15 minutes to get
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from Wimber to Johnstone whereshe lived.
When she got home she called mydad and he said why did it take
you two hours to get home?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
He thought she stopped off at the old illegal
gambling the old sugar shackgambling, then in the back of
the laundry mat.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh, what was it remember yeah, but remember that
um lady that did comedy inpittsburgh, um, that was from
johnstown.
She was talking about the olddance, the old dance hall, the
old band hall, the old band hall.
But anyways, star, star,something or other, it doesn't
matter.
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Regardless of all this, mywhole point of this story is
that my mom doesn't believe thatshe was standing outside of her
car for two hours.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
She was by herself.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
She was by herself, but there were other vehicles
stopped like families and otherpeople.
So if it was any time betweenOctober 1st-ish of 1974 and July
17th-ish of 1975, then I mayseriously be an alien baby.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think she would remember if it was closer to
your birthday, because thatwould be in the story.
She'd be like I was eightmonths pregnant.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, exactly, and I already wasn't feeling good.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
You know your mom's stories.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Exactly but for real, if it was any time between
October 1st and the end ofNovember, which is likely but
not.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You're a clear alien.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I've been?
How many days have I woke upand said I don't think I belong
here, I'm an alien.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Right, which is also a thing that people think, but
maybe they really are.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
That's the thing.
Well, it's linked to autism now.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
so Maybe that's linked to aliens.
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So when I went to open my iPad, it was 523.
Whoa, Is that my son telling methat I was an alien from the
beyond?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You're an alien baby, but it very well could be.
But let's talk about alienabductions yeah that's a very
common theme, like your mom'sstory, like it hits a lot of the
point missing time, like otherpeople there, like don't really
you know what I mean, don'treally remember right, you know
what I mean.
Right, all of that with lossthat very common among so the
(32:44):
fact that the stories do make somuch, have so much overlap with
each other.
It's like something's going on.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
But like what is it?
I guess we don't really know.
But Well, I don't have anyalien abduction stories.
I don't know anybody that thathappened to.
But you know that I did see meand our nephew.
We were in Myrtle Beach, whichis a huge hotspot.
Yes, people see there's beenreports of UFOs being chafed by
(33:15):
fighter jets because there'slike well, we do that one show
in South yeah.
There is a Air Force base inSouth Carolina that does a lot
of practice, stuff like out overthe ocean and stuff there.
So you see a lot of lights.
But there's these reports.
There's things that you know,like what can and can't happen.
What we saw was nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
People who study it know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, what we saw was nothing like that.
We weren't the only ones there.
You remember there's a smallcrowd there on the beach.
We're watching these lights.
They were like going into eachother.
They were like a bunch oflights.
There was like one light.
They were like in it.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It was very weird and it wasn't like one of those.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It was on the ocean, so we definitely know it was way
out there it was not one ofthose marquee things that's like
doing an event.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, it was way out in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Like it was strange enough that there was a small
crowd there watching this.
Like what is that?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
And we talked to other people, other locals, that
had seen stuff that was reallycrazy out there.
Cameron still talks about it.
I just mentioned his name likea dummy, but whatever, who cares
.
He was in the Navy and he toldme that he never saw anything
when he was out on any of themships.
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So the fact that he still knowswhat we saw that day says a lot
too.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
He doesn't think that , he's not like oh, now I know
what that was Right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right or anything like that.
Right, and I think he was.
Oh, wasn't he like a weaponsspecialist for a while?
So oh, I don't know, but he was.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
whatever his he was out in a UFO hotspot out in San
Diego.
You know the Nimitz incidenthappened and you know the videos
at the Pentagon police.
That's where all that stuffhappened right, not the only
place.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
They also did the Jets ones, not Jets but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, they did release some videos that were
out on the east coast too, butthe Nimitz was out by San Pedro
Island, which is out by SanDiego.
What's in Nimitz?
That's the one where they sawthe thing coming in.
Now the water David Fravor bySan Pedro Island, which is out
by San Diego.
What's in Nimitz?
That's the one where they sawthe thing coming in and out of
the water David.
Fravor and the fighter jets wentafter it.
They were chasing it and stuff.
Very reliable If a fighterpilot tells me something.
(35:31):
These are people like BlueAngel guys.
These are the best pilots inthe world flying the best
machines in the world Right bestmachines in the world right and
they take their jobs prettyfucking seriously.
They tell me something wasweird yeah, they don't know what
it was and it was defyingeverything that they know about
flight.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
These guys are like aerospace engineers and they
like are sometimes even likehesitant to talk about it,
because they don't want to bemistaken for right for sure,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's like people are like oh, they do it for
whatever, but like what?
What do they?
What do you really gain by that?
A couple history channelinterviews right like it's not
like you're.
I mean, maybe you get a bookdeal.
What do you do?
Right like it's not like you'remaking like it's not like.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're set for the rest of your life if you start
telling this ufo story and it'skind of a pain in the ass
because you got to deal with thenaysayers.
You get bothered by people onboth sides right.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
The people that are like oh, I don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
And then the people that like, take it too far right
, you know what I mean, thatlike and allegedly you're
putting your life at risk byeven coming out, depending on
who's monitoring the Speaking ofUFOs, though, we have a very
famous UFO incident that we'vebeen to the spot where it
happened, right near where welive.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
What's it take?
About 45, 50 minutes, yeah it'sclose 45 minutes to get out
there, yeah less than an hour toget out there, kecksburg, very
famous ufo incident here inwestern pennsylvania.
And basically back in 1965, theuh, these people saw a huge
fireball, you know, fall out ofthe sky, basically, and then
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they went and tracked it down.
There was this thing likeglowing in the woods.
It was like acorn shaped iswhat they said.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And there's like a statue.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, there's like a statue of it out there, but
every year they have a festivalout there that's like a cryptid
festival or something.
It's just like a paranormalfestival kind of, and you go
inside and like it's fun.
Yeah, it's like at the firegrounds and they have, like, all
kinds of vendors sellingparanormal books and stuff it's
like a tiny baby.
(37:44):
Rural comic-con for paranormalufo paranormal well, you can't
even say ufo because most of itbut yeah, so the kecksburg
incident very famous and thenthe government supposedly came
in and shut it down and did allthat.
But that's right near here.
We've been there Very cool.
Go check out.
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There's multiple documentarieson it.
There's Unsolved Mysteryepisodes.
It's out there, kecksburg'svery famous.
It's like Pennsylvania'sRoswell.
Matter of fact, that might bewhat they call it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
They do call it that.
It's crazy, though, because I'mnot into like aliens per se,
like I know that I believe thereare aliens.
I just feel like we'reridiculous to think that we're
the only sentient beings outthere.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, there's a lot of debate about what UFOs are.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Whether this is like beings from another, another
dimension, whether this isbeings from another planet.
Is it us in the future?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
right.
What is it?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I don't have an opinion one way or the other, I
don't know.
Like, obviously I think there'sufos, like I don't think that
every single one is credible,like story or whatever.
But I do think that there'scredible stories about things
flying around that we have noidea what they are.
And I do think there's crediblestories about things flying
around that we have no idea whatthey are.
And I do think there's crediblestories about like cryptids,
like time jumping, likedimensional creatures or
(39:07):
whatever you want to call it,and these stories have been told
throughout time, like of youknow what I mean, like humans
have always told these stories.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
What was that Graham Hancock book that I read a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That was really good on um that was about how people
see the same things during likeiowak dmt trips.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, all over the world people report the same
things.
These like machine worker elves, that like but they were also
trying to connect them to aliensas well.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, that's just it.
Nobody really knows.
You have this thing out there,so is it aliens, is it
interdimensional beings, is it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Or are you just being flooded by DMT in your own body
somehow in a moment?
Or are all these?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
things inside of you, right, we have no idea, but
that's what I'm saying.
I don't have an opinion aboutit.
I'm open to any of it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I don't study it enough, but I'm open-minded.
I mean, we'll just put it thatway.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, I don't have an opinion, although I don't care.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So when we decided to do the podcast, I reached out
to the Pennsylvania MUFON.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
MUF, pennsylvania, mufon, so that we could get our,
I could go to Mufon tonighthoney Mufaleta.
Mufon sounds like a type offood.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It does sound like a type of food.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I could go for Mufon.
It sounds like it's Asian.
I could go for a Mufon bowl.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I'm just associating it with Greek food Mufon bowl
with noodles.
I'm associating it with Greekfood Mufon bowl.
See, I'm just associating itwith Greek food Mufon bowl with
noodles.
I'm associating it with Greekfood Mufaletta See, I was
associating it like what kind ofnoodles?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Mufon noodles, Mufon chicken.
Matter of fact that might be athing.
I don't know if it is May fun,is that's real close.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Maybe that's what you're thinking of.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, I'm just saying it's like one letter off.
They probably got it.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So, but when you're talking about aliens there's
everybody has like the samesimilar kind of experience,
right?
Well, that's what I didn't getyou is the stories that shows
similarity, because then itlends credibility to it Right,
exactly, but is it like that,not mass hysteria, but like, is
it mass imprintation or whatever, where one story has become the
(41:29):
normal?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
right.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But they all seem to share one trait, which is that
they don't have, they're devoidof emotion.
And so at the end of the lastshow, I was talking about how I
really believe that these thingscould be, assuming that we're
programmed or that we're part ofthe sim.
(41:52):
What if aliens are just humans,minus their emotional
programming, like we talkedabout, you know, ghosts
potentially being like justleftover code, right?
Well, what if aliens are justanother program of humans that
they decided to strip emotionout to see, because emotion is
(42:15):
the hardest thing to getprogrammed to the binary level?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
This is what a lot of people speculate is that the
aliens are like the ones thatare actually run the simulation
and so sometimes they have tolike hard, get into there and
get like do whatever to try tolike interfere with it.
Right Grace Fartin too, by theway, it stinks.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Grace Fartin.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Gee that chicken.
That's why, or it might havebeen me.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Um, oh, that aliens are us in the future and that
they're also running asimulation of the past, because
they're trying to get like theit's, it's like posited that
something goes wrong in thefuture.
Yeah, so they're trying torerun the simulation so they can
(43:06):
get back to some like geneticcode to reset something, which
is why they like abduct peopleand stuff, because they're
trying to like harvest geneticcode per se, because they're
trying to get like back to areset point for themselves as a
species which is just us, butlike it's all future.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know like that's why I got a combination of
clairs crazy assigned to meright because they're trying to
figure out which combination ofclairs make the right human,
make the right clair, becauseyou can't have all the clairs.
If you have all the clairstogether, you're like.
You're like you know from theright Claire, because you can't
have all the Claires.
If you have all the Clairestogether, you're like Thanos,
you're like.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Ro from the X-Men.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, you're like superhuman.
Yeah, I don't want to besuperhuman, I'm partially super,
but so obviously we always talkabout movies.
I'm not into alien research perse, but I love alien movies.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But yet you don't like the movie.
Alien I don't, or Aliens, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You don't like the series.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I don't like this you claim to like alien movies, yet
you don't like the one moviethat's like titled after the
word that you're talking about.
It's being like I don't likescary movies, but I don't like
the movie Scary Movie.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Don't put words in my mouth, no.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Don't start any rumors, please.
No, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Although I do like the alien movies.
But I also love other alienmovies too.
But let's talk about the bestalien movie, paul Paul.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Hands down.
Paul is the best alien moviegod never made like I love that.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
It has everybody in it.
It's so funny.
Go watch it ah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's the best.
I love that movie.
It's hilarious.
Fucking kristen wigg is uh.
All of them like the whole castyou can't even you can't even
pick a favorite it's so good butmy favorite are the men in
black series as well men inblack like I watched those over
and over and over again.
Et cocoon I loved cocoon movies.
Fire in the sky.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's a scary that's scary shit, dude.
When I saw that I was like firein the sky was the first time
that I heard of alien abduction.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
It was the first time I was actually ever terrified
of aliens.
As a kid I was like well firein the sky.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
This guy got abducted by an alien, like what, like?
This was new concept to me, soit was very scary.
And, I'm pretty sure, alienscan take you Now I have another
thing to be afraid of.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think.
I mean it probably wasn't thefirst time that I ever saw a man
cry on a movie, but it's thefirst time that I ever saw a man
cry on a movie.
But it's the first time that Iever saw a man cry in a movie
and felt his pain like I wasterrified for him the guy that
plays travis walton, and then healso played in another great
movie, the cutting edge as afigure skater.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
So corny, so corny, but I'm saying that guy was on
his game in the early 90s, thecutting edge, and then fire in
the sky.
What?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
So let's.
You cannot talk about all thiswithout talking about the
Mandela effect.
See, I'm one of those people.
I firmly believe that I knew hedied before he died.
See, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
You even asked me, when you first heard of it, like
the actual effect, like that ithad a name you asked me about
and you're like, do you remember?
And I'm like, yeah, I rememberhim getting out of prison and do
it because it was like a bigdeal.
When I was in school we got outof prison and then everybody
celebrated he won, like timeemergence of the internet being
(46:34):
something that you could haveinformation at your fingertips.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
But if you weren't watching the news and you
weren't on the internet, there'sa good chance you missed it,
which is why it may not havejumped out to you, right?
So was I just busy with otherthings at that point?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
in my life that I wouldn't have but?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
but when I read the article I was like, yeah, I
remember when he died in prison,right.
So then I started reading someof the other cases.
And the Berenstain bears justBerenstain.
So that is very, very, verypersonal for me Very personal
Because I remember.
I remember Because when I wasin fifth grade, right.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I don't really even know.
First off, let's talk aboutwhat the conspiracy is, because
I don't even really know whatthe real answer is and what's
supposedly the effect.
So let's talk about that first.
The Mandela effect theory onthe berenstain bears is that it
wasn't beren stain s-t-a-i-n.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
That's how it really is.
That's how it is now it isb-e-r-e-n-s-t-a-i-n.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Okay, see, that's how I think that I remember, but I
can't be a hundred.
But go ahead now share yourstory.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Right.
So the Mandela effect theory isthat it was barren S T E I N
like Stein or stain, right,steen.
So when I was in fifth grade Iused to go once a week or
whatever and read to thekindergartners and I remember
(48:22):
and I was like I was a spellingbee champion, I was a perfect
reader.
I was reading at like a thirdgrade level when I was in
kindergarten.
Like so I, so my concept oflanguage was very clear to me
and I distinctly remember askingmy teacher before she's like do
you got the book?
(48:42):
Are you ready to go?
Did you practice?
And I was like yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like I have one questionIs this pronounced Berenstein or
Berenstein?
And I only would have askedthat If it was E-I-N, if it was
E-I-N.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Now we also need to go back too, because I totally
realize we also didn't even sayexactly what the Mandela effect
is for people that don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There might be people that don't know there might be,
because there's a lot of peoplethat.
Well, if you haven't heard ofit, you are prepare yourself to
go down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Right if you do look it up, but basically what it is
is that a collective group ofpeople remember something
different than what is nowaccepted to be the general
history of something right solike, for example, a group of
people remember nelson mandeladying in prison, but history has
(49:35):
that he did not.
He got out later in the 90s.
Yada y, yada, yada.
Or, like she just said, withthe Berenstain Bears.
People remember it beingBerenstein Bears.
Well, even the but theyremember it being spelled E-I-N
instead of A-I-N.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Right, that's exactly it.
And there's other ones.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
There's ones where people remember Sinbad being in
a movie where he was a genie.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I remember that too.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I remember that movie , it was called something or
other, I don't remember.
But there's a whole thing aboutthat, but there I mean there's
a hundred of these things Right.
But these are some of the morepopular ones.
But you just had a personalexperience with Berenstain Bears
.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, which now?
It's like I feel like it wasEIA now that you say that, like
right, and their son, I think ordaughter came out and like said
no, it's always been stayingright, it's just so weird,
though it's very weird, but um,and we've run into numerous
other ones like that well, so wedo have one example, and and so
(50:35):
the common thought behind themandela effect is that you're
shifting from one timeline to analternate timeline.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You're timeline jumping.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Right, and so, if that is the case, we both
experienced something of a Idon't know if it was a timeline
shift or a glitch in the matrixat the same time.
Do you remember what happenedthat day when you were up in
your office?
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Oh yeah, so I was sitting there and I went.
I threw something away.
I don't remember what it wasthat I threw away.
I threw something away into thetrash can.
I watched it land in the trashcan, Like I saw it laying in the
bin.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Right and it was down in.
It wasn't like the trash can,like I saw it laying in the bin
right and it was down in.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
It wasn't like the trash was up to the brim, it was
down below the room right andthen, like I looked back like
five seconds late or no, did Ilook at.
I can't remember if I left theroom and came back in or if I
saw that and then left the room.
And that's when you're like,something weird just happened to
me.
But either way, the next time Ilook back there, what I had
(51:44):
just thrown away was laying onthe ground, as if I now and I
know that I didn't bounce outLike I tested all the scenarios,
I pulled it out, tested if itwould, could have possibly
ricocheted out, or, but like Iwatched it late, it was laying
in the trash can right and thenI went over to your room and I
was like something really weirdjust happened and at the exact
(52:05):
same time that he wasexperiencing that I was getting
something off of my closet shelf.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And when I was getting, when I was pulling a
purse down because I wasswitching out my purses, and
when I pulled the purse down,one of the pieces of my shelving
unit that was spare flew offthe top shelf and landed on the
floor and I wanted to rememberto pick it up, but I was still
fooling with the closet Right,so I took my foot and pushed it
(52:37):
out away so that it would be sothat I would remember, and I
pushed it to the middle of thefloor with my foot.
I looked down a second laterand it wasn't there at all at
all and it was completelyunderneath the bottom shelf of
the closet, like completelyunderneath.
It's like I never even did thatmove to move it.
It was crazy.
(52:59):
So, and that happened to us atthe same time.
So we believe that there was atime jump, time, time skip, time
skip yeah time skip, yeah,which is, you know, the glitch
of the matrix, deja vu, it allkind of the butterfly effect.
Oh, that's my.
I love that movie so much butit's terrifying.
(53:21):
But yeah, but that is it's.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It ties right into that.
Like jumping timelines, youknow what I mean, like skipping
right one little thing.
It goes back to classic timetravel scenario.
Change one thing back to thefuture.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yes, I love it.
It's like it gets all messed up.
It all goes back to basic timetravel theory so, um, let me see
what else we got to talk about.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
I mean, that's about it yeah, I mean, and we even
talked about how it all tiestogether, like at skinwalker
ranch and places like that, andjust even we talked about, like
Western Pennsylvania being ahotspot for cryptid sightings,
ufo sightings, I'm sure, if youdug into it, poltergeist
activity, but like, because Ithink there are certain areas
(54:10):
that are more charged up Ifthese are interdimensional
beings.
The fact of the matter is wehave no clue what's going on out
there.
The fact of the matter is wehave no clue what's going on out
there.
Something's going on like thesubatomic level, particle
physics, the Big Bang theory,cryptids, cross-shaped
jip-jumping through time.
We don't know, but it's somehowall connected.
(54:32):
But it's fun to look into.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
It is fun to look into.
Do you have a quote for thisweek?
Hold on.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I'm going to do the quote.
Gonna do the quote.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Take my wife, please this quote is kind of weird
because I I like, I don't feellike anybody is ever trying to
take my man, and that's nodisservice to you because I'm.
This is no disservice to you atall, babe, I love you, but I
think bitches see me and theyback off.
(55:00):
I don't know what it is.
I don't think people are tryingto get me.
However, jolene knows, if shewants my man, she can take him.
No, I'm joking, so I'll leaveyou guys with this quote from
one Miss iconic, loretta Lynn.
Loretta Lynn, you've beenmaking your brags around town
(55:24):
that you've been loving my man,but the man I love, when he
picks up trash, he throws it ina garbage.
Can what?
Oh, my Lanta.
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