April 30, 2024 • 30 mins
In this latest episode of Girl Tawk! 🔊 “Creating a Safe Zone for Our Young Black Daughters" 🔊Melissa Ann speaks with Shae. She is a young black professional who harnesses the power of utilizing her "village." Listen as we explore the effects of being supportive, mentorship, and the power of manifestation. 💪❤️
In this episode, we: ✨ You're not too important to help ✨ Giving back✨ The crabs in a barrel mentality ✨The importance of lifting as you climb. ✨
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people can call me andI'll speak life into them.
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That means I don't, Idon't have to know your
situation, but I'll tell you,you're doing a great job.
You're doing amazing things.
Continue doingwhat you're doing.
And so that's why a villageis important because that
village will speak life intoyou no matter what struggles
you're going through.
They don't need to know it.
They'll just do it naturally.
And that's the beautifulpart about a village.
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Welcome to Girl Talk.
This is your girl, MelissaAnn, and we are here on
a Saturday afternoon.
We have a new guest.
I am excited to, um, haveShae join me today, and we're
gonna have a conversation.
As you can see, Shae isearlier in career, one of
my young daughters, and weare going to have a really
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good conversation about.
creating a safe spacefor our young daughters.
So a lot of times our youngdaughters don't have support
that they need, or they maystart off with support and
then that support fades andthey have to kind of figure
things out on their own,especially in an environment,
in a work environment.
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And so we're going tohave a conversation on
what that feels like.
And what are some of thesteps that generations
like myself and older.
Um can do to kind of rallyaround these young folks and
help them progress throughouttheir career But without further
ado, I want Shae to introduceherself and talk about some of
the things that you like to doThank you.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
And hello.
Um, I'm so happy to be onthis podcast and be able to
share some of my knowledge.
My name is Shea.
Um, some things about myself.
I love herbalism.
I am an environmental person.
I love getting out innature, grounding myself.
So hopefully I'll be ableto share some wisdom about
youth, my youth, my age, and,um, we just have a really
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good conversation today.
welcome and I'm excited to haveyou as a guest and, and you, you
kind of thought of this title.
So, you know, creating a safezone for our young daughters,
because, you know, you and Ihave a conversations about.
Okay.
mental health andcareer progression.
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What are some of the thingsthat you think young folks,
your age and even below yourage, cause you're a millennial,
you're considered millennial.
And then there'sGen Z behind you.
And then I don't know whocomes behind you, but what
do you think some of theobstacles or roadblocks are
that you're experiencing?
I think, so like, when Ithink about those obstacles
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and roadblocks, like,one of the biggest ones
I think is Us bouncingback after COVID, right?
Most of us were like in thehome, on social media, really
immersed in technology today,but we weren't having the
interactive aspects of it.
Right.
And so now that things havekind of opened back up,
I think it's hard for ussometimes to be able to have
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those in person interactions.
Um, and so I think that's abig challenge we face today.
I know for myself, youknow, I've had to evolve
in that space, getting backcomfortable with, Hey, when
I see somebody in person.
been able to have thoseconversations and just like,
Hey, let's stay connected.
Like, Hey, let's go outand have coffee again.
Like going out and interactingin person again after the
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first initial interaction.
I know I feel this for myself.
I feel like we're, we becameintroverted a little bit.
Do you feel like that has kindof what people have evolved
into, like kind of introvert?
Because reality is we were inthe house for two years and you
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know, other than seeing peoplevirtually like this, we weren't
able to kind of connect withpeople the way we were ahead.
Like, hey, let's go have coffee.
Let's go meet up.
Um at a movie or dinner orwhatever whatever it was for
two years like you couldn'tsee family members and so
for me Um, I feel like Ibecame a little introverted.
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Do you feel like that iswhat's happening in society?
Yeah, I think it's a big thing.
Like people have becomeintroverted, but I think
it's a two parter, right?
I think one people have becomeintroverted because as they sat
in their spaces by themselves,they learn themselves more.
So now having to reinduce it,Like introduce themselves when
they go out is something thatthey're trying to feel, fill out
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and really understand, like, whoam I and how do I show up now?
Um, after being inwardand really finding self.
And then two, I thinkit's also others trying
to get to know them.
Like, okay, who are you now?
And how can Ibetter support you?
Or what does phonelook like for you?
Cause I know likefor me myself, right?
Like when COVID hit, Igot really into herbalism.
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I started taking a deepdive into my health.
Eating differently.
You know, I switched up a lotand my family at first was
like, Whoa, like what happened?
What's going on?
Right.
And as they saw me mature intothat space, now they think it's
beautiful, but I think it was alittle scary for them at first.
And they had to get toknow who I am becoming
and who I am today.
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Um, so I think that's why a lotof people have become a little
more introverted as they try tofill out who they are right now.
Um, after COVIDYou know, I was there for your
journey as you started to gointo the herb, the herbal, you
would kind of, um, schoolingme on some stuff as well.
I didn't take yourdiet advice clearly, it's
challenging.
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you know, I started thispodcast, you know, during
COVID, so I think, orthe pandemic caused it.
But I think, you know, peopledid find different avenues on
coping mechanisms, um, on howto kind of cope with being alone
or in in a situation that youweren't normally, um, you're not
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really fit to be in honestly.
So when, if we switch gearsand say, how does that affect
you from a standpoint ofwhat the, what our podcast is
about today is creating a safezone for our young daughters.
Where do you see gaps there?
Because we've talkedthrough, you know, people
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have changed, they changedtheir mindset, right?
They found themselves and maybeit is, they want to focus on
themselves versus someone else.
So where do you seesome of those gaps?
I think the gap is being ableto have the ability of like,
somewhat, it takes a partof discernment now, right?
So you've had the momentof where you were doing
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the work, and now youhave to apply it, right?
And so, now as you go and applyit, It's being able to walk
through the spaces and be like,Hey, is this person really
supposed to be in my village?
Right?
And you need peoplethat are in your village
that are consistent.
I think that's thebiggest gap, right?
Is a village is no matterwhat shows up when you
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need them to consistently.
Um, and I always tell peoplelike for me is the people that
show up for me when I don't askthem to show up that matters.
And I think those are thebiggest things is when
we look at those gaps.
I think people sometimes getso Like so into themselves
that they forget that otherpeople are looking or need
an opportunity when wetalk about these villages.
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Just reach out to meand say, how am I doing?
See how check on me.
Um, and so for me, I think thathas been the most challenging
part as I go through finding myvillage is finding people that
show up consistently for me.
Now, I've been lucky.
Lucky enough to haveyou right as a mentor.
You've always, um, reached out.
You've always checkedon me and we have those
heart to heart moments.
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Even when I droppedthe ball, right.
I can be like, I can bemyself and be like, okay,
I dropped the ball, butyou still show up for me.
And I think that's whatmakes me feel like, Hey,
Not only do I want to do abetter job of showing up, but
also showing up for you andmaking sure I check on you.
Hey, how are you doing?
Um, I think that's what buildsa circle, a well, a village,
excuse me, is the consistency,but also the ability of
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discernment, really figuringout who is meant to be in
your circle, who supportsyou for who you are truly
right now at this moment.
Um, because we all evolve,um, but it all depends on like
those people around you thathelp you evolve and support
you through your evolution.
Yeahwe carry over something someone
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said, you know, 10 years ago.
And we think it's truth.
So one of the things I think Isaid to you because someone said
it to me is, it is, you know,it's your job, Shae, to make
sure you stay in touch with me.
But because I, forwhatever reason, think
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that I'm senior to you.
But I'm not senior to you,we're on the same path.
Trying to grow and so someonehad said that to me and I
passed that on to you and thenyou'll pass it on to someone
else and that's what the cyclehas to be broken because there
isn't, I should be reachingout to you just as much as
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you're reaching out to me.
If I value the relationship.
All rightNo matter if you're a vice
president, a senior vicepresident, if you value the
relationship with that personthat you've been connecting to
for years and years and yearsand years, and they don't,
you don't hear from them asimple, hey, how are you is
not going to disrupt your day.
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Right.
So I think that was a veryimportant point that you said,
because I think some people.
put themselves on pedestalsand think that they're above
someone like you because you'reearly in career when you're
each going down a path and theirpath has to end at some point.
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They have to retire.
So why not bring you on alongwith them and coach you?
Do you feel like You're gettingthat coaching from, you know,
not just corporate America,but any, anyone that's,
you know, older than you,Yeah, you know, I think I,
I learned that through myyounger cousins, I'm a big,
I'm a big family person.
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Right.
And I believe like everythinghappens for a reason.
And sometimes I feel likeI have my most profound
spiritual growth momentsthrough my little cousins.
Right.
Now me telling them to reachout to me and call them.
It never really happens, right?
Cause they're like awkward,they're young, they're still
trying to find themselves.
So I had to, if I wanted thatconnection, I continuously
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reached out to them becausethey need it, right?
But through those moments ofreaching out to them, I felt
so much more within myself.
It was so much I learned fromthem, through like, them and
how they see life, but alsothrough like manifestations.
So they really taught melike, it's not always about
like, You know, feelinglike, Oh, I'm above them.
They need to reach out to me.
It's about reaching out tothem and checking on them.
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Right.
Seeing how they're doing, butalso just being able to glean
some of the gems that they may,um, may be able to give me that
I'm just like, well, you know,like most, how, why did you
bring this into my atmosphere?
Right.
Because sometimes those arethe, the most genuine moments of
when you're just naturally doingsomething because it's like,
it hits your spirit or like.
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Sometimes the best moments toreally learn from each other.
And so that's how Ikind of picked it up.
But I think it's abeautiful thing, right?
When you could just reach outto somebody no matter where
they sit on the totem poleand just have a conversation
with them and be able tolearn from them because it
goes both ways young old.
is very, very reciprocal.
It goes, well, you canlearn something from a baby,
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right.
some people just feel like.
It's just a dog eat dog worldwhere there's so many crabs in
this barrel trying to get tothe top and they want to crush
your claws and legs and armsand and step on you so that
they are the first ones at thetop and then look down at you
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and I think that is where wego wrong with our generation of
young daughters because when Ithink about The, the young folks
that are in my mentor circle,you talk about mental health.
Um, sometimes your mental healthis affected because you don't
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have the village and you'regoing through something that
you don't understand how tohandle, how to be a black woman
in a corporate environment,how to be the only black woman
in a corporate environment.
When you have someone alwayspoking at you, I've, I've
had individuals that I've hadto mentor in that fashion.
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And that really messeswith your mental health.
It does, and it's a big thing.
And that's why it'simportant for, like,
I'm so grateful for you.
But I also try to realize myimpact and how I can help others
that may be going through thethings that I'm going through.
Right.
I think it's important.
It's like almost like a callto action for all of us,
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because you never really knowwhat somebody's going through.
And you never knowhow your experience
can impact their life.
So just having conversationslike what me and you
were doing, right?
Someone will watchthis and someone will
have that aha moment.
And then they'll go andthey'll actively practice
just calling and showingup for someone differently.
Um, and.
That would impact that person.
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So it's really a, adomino effect that we're
trying to create or thatwe're trying to start up.
Right.
Um, by just having conversationsand having consistent
conversations and not feelinglike someone has to reach
out to you, but being moreopen and loving and say, you
don't have to reach out to me.
I'm going to show youthat I'm here for you.
And being here for you justlooks like a simple, let me
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check on your mental health.
How are you doing mentally?
What does it look like?
What battles are youovercoming right now?
But if I don't even.
Even if you don't wantto show me the battles
you're overcoming, right?
Let me just speak life into you.
I'm a big life speaker, right?
So people can call me andI'll speak life into them.
That means I don't, Idon't have to know your
situation, but I'll tell you,you're doing a great job.
You're doing amazing things.
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Continue doingwhat you're doing.
And so that's why a villageis important because that
village will speak life intoyou no matter what struggles
you're going through.
They don't need to know it.
They'll just do it naturally.
And that's the beautifulpart about a village.
It is.
And like you said, well,you know, the biggest thing
you said there was youspeak life into people and
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you don't even need to knowwhat they're going through.
Just telling someoneyou're doing a great job.
That goes a mile anda half and then some.
When you just tell someonethat's having a bad day, you
don't, like you say, you don'tknow where they are in their
day and you come along and yousay, you know what, you're,
you're doing a great job orsomething simple that we don't
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do as black women periods.
You're gorgeous.
Exactly.
I think that's the bestpart about it, right?
It's just small gesturesor statements that go a
really, really long way.
that is a gapwithin our culture.
Period right is that the,you know, there are, there
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are small gaps of people thatare doing some things to, to
uplift, but everyone is justreally focused on climbing And
on building as their climb.
I really think the climbingis aligned to climate, right?
The climate that we'rein currently right now is
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very high pressure, right?
And so, to take the pressureoff of us, we have to really
remember that we have tostop trying to climb, and we
just have to start to climb.
Come together in love.
Like I think about it like this.
Some people like, Oh,I want to be rich.
I want to be allof these things.
But even rich people,even the people up at the
top still have momentsof where they're unhappy.
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Right.
I think like at my, when Ithink about some of my, my best
moments in life, it was likesitting around my family, having
amazing lives, having joy.
And it wasn't about climbing.
It wasn't about us tryingto get it out the mud
or us trying to be theserich or profound people.
We were just trying to have.
A moment, a good moment onanother that was, it brought
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laughter and joy to our hearts.
And so I think that if we takethe climate and the And the
climb out of the situationand we just have these moments
where we say, Hey, the climate,we're going, we're going
to pause it for a minute.
And we just want to havea space where we really
love on each other.
We have good laughs.
We have good moments becauseI mean, all of the things
that we want in life, like thehouse, the car, we can't take
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them with us when we leave.
So it really doesn't matterat the end of the day.
But those memories, thosememories last for a lifetime.
I think about that all the time.
My mother had mewhen she was older.
So I make memoriesmatter for me.
Like they count big time.
Like just having momentswith my mom, taking her out,
going to different events.
That's what reallymatters to me.
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The materialisticthings in the climb.
It can pause.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
And it's atruth because none of us
are promised tomorrow andmaking, like you said,
the most of right now.
Right.
The most are right now.
And so what about the fancycar and the house and all
that is really powerful,especially coming from someone
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who's wise beyond their years.
So, you know, rememberI met you, you were
still in college, youknow, grown into this, you
know, Very mature woman.
I don't know if youremember when I, when we
were first mentoring, I'dbe like, don't say that
word that way, pronounce itit was so much I was like,
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okay, I'm trying to I was like,let me make sure I look good
present myself, you know, itwas a it was a very high intense
climate, but now being in aplace I'm like, now I look at
it and time has moved so fast.
I've been out of collegefor almost, I think,
longer than four years now.
So, like.
Wow, how time has gone andlike my success journey
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where I'm at today, you know,that's why I'm always so
grateful because you saw mewhen I was in college, right?
You saw the O'Shea,well, the Shae's getting
it together, right?
And now I'm like the shade.
I'm getting it.
I'm in my stride now.
So you got to see a lot of it.
Yeah.
That's, um, all of it, youknow, and where the maturity
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from college and you weremature in college when I met
you, but just watching your.
Professional maturity andhow you engage and how you're
poised and speaking and allof that is really phenomenal.
And I'm saying all thatto say, what if there
were more Melissa's andShae's in this world?
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Like, what, how would thataffect the mental health
of our young daughters?
How would that affect?
the trajectory ofour young daughters.
I think it would, it would besuch a big impact and it would
be almost like an impact thatI think even for ourselves,
we could try to put a post onit now, but to actually live
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in it and actually see it,it would be something bigger
than what we could actually,you know, explain in this
space, this space right now.
Right.
And so that's why I thinkit's important that we have
the conversation becauseit's the sparking, right?
Because it's gonna happen.
I believe inmanifestation, right?
So we manifest anything to come.
There will be more Melissa's.
There will be moreShae's, right?
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And I think once thathappens, the world
will be a better place.
And it won't even be like,so we're talking about
a women's circle, right?
But I think women are like thebackbones in every community.
You know, and so if we as womencan come together and have these
villages and these spaces wherewe're able to evolve, heal and
grow, then our children andtheir children, the generations
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will be impacted greatly.
Um, so it will be aphenomenon almost.
And so that's why I thinkeven having the conversation,
we have to spark it sothat the torch can get lit.
And then it can be passedon to the next generations.
Um, and we can dosome healing, right?
We can take the traumathat may be sitting with
each woman because weall go through trauma.
We can take the trauma,heal it, and then we can
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learn and teach how to healthrough that trauma as well.
I'm going to say you damn right.
But I think, you know,taking, you said something
about a mouthful, you know, aspark, it has to be a spark.
I caught, you know, it has to bereally summing, summing it up,
you know, each one teach one.
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But their strengthin numbers is what you're hmm.
you Yes if we all came togetheras a conglomerate, how
powerful would that be?
And I think that issomething that you and I
definitely need to exploreon what that looks like.
Um, and I think it wouldbenefit others to join us.
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Oh, yeah.
I would love to see that.
I think that would be powerful.
You know, having agroup of women just be
able to speak on it.
I mean, that wouldchange numbers.
Like you said, unity is thebiggest thing right now.
I think it's just allus all getting together
in acknowledging it andthen building the space
that we're speaking of.
Right.
Because then it allows us tohave the space and really be
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able to dive deeper into thethings that we may not see.
Absolutely.
You know, my mom always saystwo brains are better than one.
Well, imagine fivebeing in a room.
I mean, some phenomenalthings would happen, right?
And I think, you know, thisfrom your your own personal
professional work, you know,we could talk about it all day.
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You could buildstrategy all day.
But if there is an execution,it dies on the vine.
If you can't have peoplethat are talking about,
yeah, let's do it.
Let's build out this greatstrategy because I want
to be the face and I wanteveryone to see look at me.
but there's no execution.
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You're not actually, theheart has to be there, right?
In order to execute.
So my background was inhospitality and a lot of my time
I spent doing a lot of studyingin like the kitchen and being in
the restaurant industry and thenalso doing the event management.
And when I was in that space,one thing I learned is that the
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core, the motor that made itactually go with the boots on
the ground, the people on thebackground who put the tables
up, who made sure that theplates got to the table, who
made sure the food got cooked.
Those were the major players.
And without those players, youreally didn't have an outcome.
There was no, therewas no finish line.
And so I always think it'simportant that we, as people,
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like you said, we just don'tbuild strategy, we actually
go into action and that actionis what is going to be the
driver and the mechanism thatgets us to that finish line.
Um, so that's the major, right?
I never, and that'sthe thing for me.
Building strategy was neversomething I was like super,
my mom always, I don'tknow, growing up as a kid,
I think being around olderwomen, I was always a doer.
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Right.
Like my mom will always tellme, all right, go ahead, get
the plate set up, you know,we're going to cook a meal.
How many peopleare we expecting?
I did a little bit ofstrategizing, but I
was always hands on.
Right.
And so that's alwaysbeen my happy space.
And I've always beenappreciative for people that
are actually action driven,because I understand that
action takes a lot of effort.
And sometimes people don'teven have the energy to put
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the effort into that action.
So for people to put Thatenergy into it and get it done.
I'm always gratefulfor those people.
Yeah, because theexecutors are the doers.
You know, you call itthe get shit done crew.
You gotta The executors arethe doers, but then, you
know, obviously you havepeople that build you have
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to have people that are buildstrategy Not everyone that
builds strategy is a doer.
That's why they hire peopleto do the work, right?
But if you're you're, uh,you know spinning your wheels
and building that strategyand you never you don't even
have You A team to do thework it it's for not right.
So, um, I think thatthat is incredible.
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So, bringing it back to ouryoung daughters, such as
yourself and below yourself,what are some of the things that
you would say to not only yourgeneration, but the generation
behind you in order to progressand be as successful as you are.
lead with kindness.
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Is the number one thing.
Leading with kindness.
Really understanding thateveryone's struggling.
Everyone's going throughsomething, right?
Um, my next thing would be.
Show up consistentlyand earnestly.
Like sometimes we won't beable to show up every time,
but be just lead with thatbecause we are all human going
through a human experience.
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So it's okay if you can'tshow up every time, but
be earnest when you can.
And then my next thing wouldbe that, you know, it takes
a village, um, teach one.
Um, if you share one pieceof knowledge with one person,
that person takes thatknowledge and shares it again,
it's a multiplier effect.
So I think it's justtaking the step, right?
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And start with your immediatepeople, people that you
come in contact with ona day to day because it's
important that we practice it.
I'm not perfect.
I sit here saying I want avillage, and I want a space
where I can cultivate andpour into other women, but.
I know I'm human too,and sometimes it doesn't
come out always perfect.
So, um, just, you know, be easyon yourself as you go through
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this journey of really tryingto inspire other young women
and, um, it's going to getdone, but it takes time and
so have patience with yourselfthat's a good word.
And.
What are some of the practicalthings you do to practice that?
I try to stay connectedwith my family.
I try to reach out tothe women in my family.
I try to speak lifeinto them and not even
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just the women, right?
The men too, causemen need love too.
Cause they go throughtheir struggles, right?
Um, I think it's just beingkind and leading with kindness
and bit and then havingmoments with yourself where
you, Sometimes autocorrectyourself because sometimes I
know I sometimes I get into myfeelings and I'm like, okay,
well, Sheila, you could havedid that differently, right?
Um, because you have to workwith yourself because you're
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evolving as a person, but Ithink just getting out and
applying it to the peoplethat you come in contact with
on a day to day basis, likeyour family, your friends,
start speaking life into them.
And then when you get thatsuccessfully done, then you
go out into the communityand you start to really show
up in your community becauseyour community needs you.
If you're doing it in yourfamily successfully, then
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you should do it in yourcommunity successfully as well.
before we close, you doand you walk the walk.
Um, so what are some of thethings you do in your community?
Well, right now I'm actuallyso my cousin and me are
well, I'm supporting mycousin with her nonprofit.
It's called Village of Hope.
Um, it's a nonprofit communityprogram that helps Children.
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Um, they do mentalhealth check ins.
She's a big advocate.
She's very big on it.
Um, so we every Friday or everyother Friday we get together.
Um, Children get to come.
We do different mentalhealth opportunities with
them, like just checking inon them, talking to them.
And opening up a safe space.
And, um, that was kind ofmy first step into 2024 of
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getting into my communityand being involved.
And then I'm looking for otheropportunities as well, um,
that I can be more impactful.
That's amazing.
And then you do like.
I know you do some work andit's not habitat environment,
um, habitat of humanity.
But there was like firsttime buyer, homebuyers,
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stuff that you're doing thatyou're coaching and mentoring
people as well, right?
That's correct.
Well, I just did it.
Actually, I justdid a video on that.
It should be coming outsoon with Freddie Mac.
Um, my mother becamea homeowner, um, right
before the pandemic.
And I walk with her throughthat journey and my education
where my mother came to mewith the vision of wanting
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to become a homeowner.
Um, I believed in her somuch that I found resources
that would educate me andmy mother at the same time.
So I am a big advocateon financial education.
Um, so anytime I get theopportunity to share my
knowledge in that space,I try to, um, and the
biggest impact I'm tryingto make is within my family.
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So really passing that knowledgeon to the younger generation
that's coming up under me,um, is what I'm trying to do.
That's smart.
Very, very, very smart.
You are a phenomenal woman.
I'm glad that youare in my circle.
Um, any last words thatyou, you want to pass
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along to our listeners?
Well, I have to say, Iam so blessed to have
you in my circle as well.
Um, but to the young or justto other women, I would just
say continue being amazing,continue being great.
Um, lead with kindness andjust know that everything
is happening for a reasonand it's for your better.
Good.
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So just believe in it andkeep manifesting, keep
doing what you're doing.
Believe in it.
That's the, the key wordthat you were saying.
They have to believein it, right?
In order for it tocome to manifestation.
So in order for it tomanifest, you got to believe.
That what you're doing isgreater than what you see.
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A lot of times we see we'relooking right in front of
us, but we're not lookingthe circle gets bigger.
You got to look beyondwhat's in front of you.
In order to see the biggerpicture, and I think
that's where, you know, asyounger folks, some younger
folks don't think in thatmanner and get stuck.
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Yep.
stop yourself.
So, how bad do you want it?
Cause you're yourbiggest roadblock.
Knock down, knock down yourself.
Second guessing yourselfand get to the success.
Get to where you want to get to.
well, Shae, it has beena pleasure having this
conversation with you.
I have thoroughly enjoyed itand I know that the listeners
will thoroughly enjoy it, andI look forward to continued
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conversations with you.
Thank you for havingme and I look forward
to us doing this again.
And as always, I seeyou because I am you.
people can call me andI'll speak life into them.
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That means I don't, Idon't have to know your
situation, but I'll tell you,you're doing a great job.
You're doing amazing things.
Continue doingwhat you're doing.
And so that's why a villageis important because that
village will speak life intoyou no matter what struggles
you're going through.
They don't need to know it.
They'll just do it naturally.
And that's the beautifulpart about a village.
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Welcome to Girl Talk.
This is your girl, MelissaAnn, and we are here on
a Saturday afternoon.
We have a new guest.
I am excited to, um, haveShae join me today, and we're
gonna have a conversation.
As you can see, Shae isearlier in career, one of
my young daughters, and weare going to have a really
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good conversation about.
creating a safe spacefor our young daughters.
So a lot of times our youngdaughters don't have support
that they need, or they maystart off with support and
then that support fades andthey have to kind of figure
things out on their own,especially in an environment,
in a work environment.
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And so we're going tohave a conversation on
what that feels like.
And what are some of thesteps that generations
like myself and older.
Um can do to kind of rallyaround these young folks and
help them progress throughouttheir career But without further
ado, I want Shae to introduceherself and talk about some of
the things that you like to doThank you.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
And hello.
Um, I'm so happy to be onthis podcast and be able to
share some of my knowledge.
My name is Shea.
Um, some things about myself.
I love herbalism.
I am an environmental person.
I love getting out innature, grounding myself.
So hopefully I'll be ableto share some wisdom about
youth, my youth, my age, and,um, we just have a really
(01:47):
good conversation today.
welcome and I'm excited to haveyou as a guest and, and you, you
kind of thought of this title.
So, you know, creating a safezone for our young daughters,
because, you know, you and Ihave a conversations about.
Okay.
mental health andcareer progression.
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What are some of the thingsthat you think young folks,
your age and even below yourage, cause you're a millennial,
you're considered millennial.
And then there'sGen Z behind you.
And then I don't know whocomes behind you, but what
do you think some of theobstacles or roadblocks are
that you're experiencing?
I think, so like, when Ithink about those obstacles
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and roadblocks, like,one of the biggest ones
I think is Us bouncingback after COVID, right?
Most of us were like in thehome, on social media, really
immersed in technology today,but we weren't having the
interactive aspects of it.
Right.
And so now that things havekind of opened back up,
I think it's hard for ussometimes to be able to have
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those in person interactions.
Um, and so I think that's abig challenge we face today.
I know for myself, youknow, I've had to evolve
in that space, getting backcomfortable with, Hey, when
I see somebody in person.
been able to have thoseconversations and just like,
Hey, let's stay connected.
Like, Hey, let's go outand have coffee again.
Like going out and interactingin person again after the
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first initial interaction.
I know I feel this for myself.
I feel like we're, we becameintroverted a little bit.
Do you feel like that has kindof what people have evolved
into, like kind of introvert?
Because reality is we were inthe house for two years and you
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know, other than seeing peoplevirtually like this, we weren't
able to kind of connect withpeople the way we were ahead.
Like, hey, let's go have coffee.
Let's go meet up.
Um at a movie or dinner orwhatever whatever it was for
two years like you couldn'tsee family members and so
for me Um, I feel like Ibecame a little introverted.
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Do you feel like that iswhat's happening in society?
Yeah, I think it's a big thing.
Like people have becomeintroverted, but I think
it's a two parter, right?
I think one people have becomeintroverted because as they sat
in their spaces by themselves,they learn themselves more.
So now having to reinduce it,Like introduce themselves when
they go out is something thatthey're trying to feel, fill out
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and really understand, like, whoam I and how do I show up now?
Um, after being inwardand really finding self.
And then two, I thinkit's also others trying
to get to know them.
Like, okay, who are you now?
And how can Ibetter support you?
Or what does phonelook like for you?
Cause I know likefor me myself, right?
Like when COVID hit, Igot really into herbalism.
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I started taking a deepdive into my health.
Eating differently.
You know, I switched up a lotand my family at first was
like, Whoa, like what happened?
What's going on?
Right.
And as they saw me mature intothat space, now they think it's
beautiful, but I think it was alittle scary for them at first.
And they had to get toknow who I am becoming
and who I am today.
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Um, so I think that's why a lotof people have become a little
more introverted as they try tofill out who they are right now.
Um, after COVIDYou know, I was there for your
journey as you started to gointo the herb, the herbal, you
would kind of, um, schoolingme on some stuff as well.
I didn't take yourdiet advice clearly, it's
challenging.
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you know, I started thispodcast, you know, during
COVID, so I think, orthe pandemic caused it.
But I think, you know, peopledid find different avenues on
coping mechanisms, um, on howto kind of cope with being alone
or in in a situation that youweren't normally, um, you're not
(05:42):
really fit to be in honestly.
So when, if we switch gearsand say, how does that affect
you from a standpoint ofwhat the, what our podcast is
about today is creating a safezone for our young daughters.
Where do you see gaps there?
Because we've talkedthrough, you know, people
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have changed, they changedtheir mindset, right?
They found themselves and maybeit is, they want to focus on
themselves versus someone else.
So where do you seesome of those gaps?
I think the gap is being ableto have the ability of like,
somewhat, it takes a partof discernment now, right?
So you've had the momentof where you were doing
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the work, and now youhave to apply it, right?
And so, now as you go and applyit, It's being able to walk
through the spaces and be like,Hey, is this person really
supposed to be in my village?
Right?
And you need peoplethat are in your village
that are consistent.
I think that's thebiggest gap, right?
Is a village is no matterwhat shows up when you
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need them to consistently.
Um, and I always tell peoplelike for me is the people that
show up for me when I don't askthem to show up that matters.
And I think those are thebiggest things is when
we look at those gaps.
I think people sometimes getso Like so into themselves
that they forget that otherpeople are looking or need
an opportunity when wetalk about these villages.
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Just reach out to meand say, how am I doing?
See how check on me.
Um, and so for me, I think thathas been the most challenging
part as I go through finding myvillage is finding people that
show up consistently for me.
Now, I've been lucky.
Lucky enough to haveyou right as a mentor.
You've always, um, reached out.
You've always checkedon me and we have those
heart to heart moments.
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Even when I droppedthe ball, right.
I can be like, I can bemyself and be like, okay,
I dropped the ball, butyou still show up for me.
And I think that's whatmakes me feel like, Hey,
Not only do I want to do abetter job of showing up, but
also showing up for you andmaking sure I check on you.
Hey, how are you doing?
Um, I think that's what buildsa circle, a well, a village,
excuse me, is the consistency,but also the ability of
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discernment, really figuringout who is meant to be in
your circle, who supportsyou for who you are truly
right now at this moment.
Um, because we all evolve,um, but it all depends on like
those people around you thathelp you evolve and support
you through your evolution.
Yeahwe carry over something someone
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said, you know, 10 years ago.
And we think it's truth.
So one of the things I think Isaid to you because someone said
it to me is, it is, you know,it's your job, Shae, to make
sure you stay in touch with me.
But because I, forwhatever reason, think
(08:35):
that I'm senior to you.
But I'm not senior to you,we're on the same path.
Trying to grow and so someonehad said that to me and I
passed that on to you and thenyou'll pass it on to someone
else and that's what the cyclehas to be broken because there
isn't, I should be reachingout to you just as much as
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you're reaching out to me.
If I value the relationship.
All rightNo matter if you're a vice
president, a senior vicepresident, if you value the
relationship with that personthat you've been connecting to
for years and years and yearsand years, and they don't,
you don't hear from them asimple, hey, how are you is
not going to disrupt your day.
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Right.
So I think that was a veryimportant point that you said,
because I think some people.
put themselves on pedestalsand think that they're above
someone like you because you'reearly in career when you're
each going down a path and theirpath has to end at some point.
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They have to retire.
So why not bring you on alongwith them and coach you?
Do you feel like You're gettingthat coaching from, you know,
not just corporate America,but any, anyone that's,
you know, older than you,Yeah, you know, I think I,
I learned that through myyounger cousins, I'm a big,
I'm a big family person.
(10:08):
Right.
And I believe like everythinghappens for a reason.
And sometimes I feel likeI have my most profound
spiritual growth momentsthrough my little cousins.
Right.
Now me telling them to reachout to me and call them.
It never really happens, right?
Cause they're like awkward,they're young, they're still
trying to find themselves.
So I had to, if I wanted thatconnection, I continuously
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reached out to them becausethey need it, right?
But through those moments ofreaching out to them, I felt
so much more within myself.
It was so much I learned fromthem, through like, them and
how they see life, but alsothrough like manifestations.
So they really taught melike, it's not always about
like, You know, feelinglike, Oh, I'm above them.
They need to reach out to me.
It's about reaching out tothem and checking on them.
(10:50):
Right.
Seeing how they're doing, butalso just being able to glean
some of the gems that they may,um, may be able to give me that
I'm just like, well, you know,like most, how, why did you
bring this into my atmosphere?
Right.
Because sometimes those arethe, the most genuine moments of
when you're just naturally doingsomething because it's like,
it hits your spirit or like.
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Sometimes the best moments toreally learn from each other.
And so that's how Ikind of picked it up.
But I think it's abeautiful thing, right?
When you could just reach outto somebody no matter where
they sit on the totem poleand just have a conversation
with them and be able tolearn from them because it
goes both ways young old.
is very, very reciprocal.
It goes, well, you canlearn something from a baby,
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right.
some people just feel like.
It's just a dog eat dog worldwhere there's so many crabs in
this barrel trying to get tothe top and they want to crush
your claws and legs and armsand and step on you so that
they are the first ones at thetop and then look down at you
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and I think that is where wego wrong with our generation of
young daughters because when Ithink about The, the young folks
that are in my mentor circle,you talk about mental health.
Um, sometimes your mental healthis affected because you don't
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have the village and you'regoing through something that
you don't understand how tohandle, how to be a black woman
in a corporate environment,how to be the only black woman
in a corporate environment.
When you have someone alwayspoking at you, I've, I've
had individuals that I've hadto mentor in that fashion.
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And that really messeswith your mental health.
It does, and it's a big thing.
And that's why it'simportant for, like,
I'm so grateful for you.
But I also try to realize myimpact and how I can help others
that may be going through thethings that I'm going through.
Right.
I think it's important.
It's like almost like a callto action for all of us,
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because you never really knowwhat somebody's going through.
And you never knowhow your experience
can impact their life.
So just having conversationslike what me and you
were doing, right?
Someone will watchthis and someone will
have that aha moment.
And then they'll go andthey'll actively practice
just calling and showingup for someone differently.
Um, and.
That would impact that person.
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So it's really a, adomino effect that we're
trying to create or thatwe're trying to start up.
Right.
Um, by just having conversationsand having consistent
conversations and not feelinglike someone has to reach
out to you, but being moreopen and loving and say, you
don't have to reach out to me.
I'm going to show youthat I'm here for you.
And being here for you justlooks like a simple, let me
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check on your mental health.
How are you doing mentally?
What does it look like?
What battles are youovercoming right now?
But if I don't even.
Even if you don't wantto show me the battles
you're overcoming, right?
Let me just speak life into you.
I'm a big life speaker, right?
So people can call me andI'll speak life into them.
That means I don't, Idon't have to know your
situation, but I'll tell you,you're doing a great job.
You're doing amazing things.
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Continue doingwhat you're doing.
And so that's why a villageis important because that
village will speak life intoyou no matter what struggles
you're going through.
They don't need to know it.
They'll just do it naturally.
And that's the beautifulpart about a village.
It is.
And like you said, well,you know, the biggest thing
you said there was youspeak life into people and
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you don't even need to knowwhat they're going through.
Just telling someoneyou're doing a great job.
That goes a mile anda half and then some.
When you just tell someonethat's having a bad day, you
don't, like you say, you don'tknow where they are in their
day and you come along and yousay, you know what, you're,
you're doing a great job orsomething simple that we don't
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do as black women periods.
You're gorgeous.
Exactly.
I think that's the bestpart about it, right?
It's just small gesturesor statements that go a
really, really long way.
that is a gapwithin our culture.
Period right is that the,you know, there are, there
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are small gaps of people thatare doing some things to, to
uplift, but everyone is justreally focused on climbing And
on building as their climb.
I really think the climbingis aligned to climate, right?
The climate that we'rein currently right now is
(15:30):
very high pressure, right?
And so, to take the pressureoff of us, we have to really
remember that we have tostop trying to climb, and we
just have to start to climb.
Come together in love.
Like I think about it like this.
Some people like, Oh,I want to be rich.
I want to be allof these things.
But even rich people,even the people up at the
top still have momentsof where they're unhappy.
(15:52):
Right.
I think like at my, when Ithink about some of my, my best
moments in life, it was likesitting around my family, having
amazing lives, having joy.
And it wasn't about climbing.
It wasn't about us tryingto get it out the mud
or us trying to be theserich or profound people.
We were just trying to have.
A moment, a good moment onanother that was, it brought
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laughter and joy to our hearts.
And so I think that if we takethe climate and the And the
climb out of the situationand we just have these moments
where we say, Hey, the climate,we're going, we're going
to pause it for a minute.
And we just want to havea space where we really
love on each other.
We have good laughs.
We have good moments becauseI mean, all of the things
that we want in life, like thehouse, the car, we can't take
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them with us when we leave.
So it really doesn't matterat the end of the day.
But those memories, thosememories last for a lifetime.
I think about that all the time.
My mother had mewhen she was older.
So I make memoriesmatter for me.
Like they count big time.
Like just having momentswith my mom, taking her out,
going to different events.
That's what reallymatters to me.
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The materialisticthings in the climb.
It can pause.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
And it's atruth because none of us
are promised tomorrow andmaking, like you said,
the most of right now.
Right.
The most are right now.
And so what about the fancycar and the house and all
that is really powerful,especially coming from someone
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who's wise beyond their years.
So, you know, rememberI met you, you were
still in college, youknow, grown into this, you
know, Very mature woman.
I don't know if youremember when I, when we
were first mentoring, I'dbe like, don't say that
word that way, pronounce itit was so much I was like,
(17:41):
okay, I'm trying to I was like,let me make sure I look good
present myself, you know, itwas a it was a very high intense
climate, but now being in aplace I'm like, now I look at
it and time has moved so fast.
I've been out of collegefor almost, I think,
longer than four years now.
So, like.
Wow, how time has gone andlike my success journey
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where I'm at today, you know,that's why I'm always so
grateful because you saw mewhen I was in college, right?
You saw the O'Shea,well, the Shae's getting
it together, right?
And now I'm like the shade.
I'm getting it.
I'm in my stride now.
So you got to see a lot of it.
Yeah.
That's, um, all of it, youknow, and where the maturity
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from college and you weremature in college when I met
you, but just watching your.
Professional maturity andhow you engage and how you're
poised and speaking and allof that is really phenomenal.
And I'm saying all thatto say, what if there
were more Melissa's andShae's in this world?
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Like, what, how would thataffect the mental health
of our young daughters?
How would that affect?
the trajectory ofour young daughters.
I think it would, it would besuch a big impact and it would
be almost like an impact thatI think even for ourselves,
we could try to put a post onit now, but to actually live
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in it and actually see it,it would be something bigger
than what we could actually,you know, explain in this
space, this space right now.
Right.
And so that's why I thinkit's important that we have
the conversation becauseit's the sparking, right?
Because it's gonna happen.
I believe inmanifestation, right?
So we manifest anything to come.
There will be more Melissa's.
There will be moreShae's, right?
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And I think once thathappens, the world
will be a better place.
And it won't even be like,so we're talking about
a women's circle, right?
But I think women are like thebackbones in every community.
You know, and so if we as womencan come together and have these
villages and these spaces wherewe're able to evolve, heal and
grow, then our children andtheir children, the generations
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will be impacted greatly.
Um, so it will be aphenomenon almost.
And so that's why I thinkeven having the conversation,
we have to spark it sothat the torch can get lit.
And then it can be passedon to the next generations.
Um, and we can dosome healing, right?
We can take the traumathat may be sitting with
each woman because weall go through trauma.
We can take the trauma,heal it, and then we can
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learn and teach how to healthrough that trauma as well.
I'm going to say you damn right.
But I think, you know,taking, you said something
about a mouthful, you know, aspark, it has to be a spark.
I caught, you know, it has to bereally summing, summing it up,
you know, each one teach one.
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But their strengthin numbers is what you're hmm.
you Yes if we all came togetheras a conglomerate, how
powerful would that be?
And I think that issomething that you and I
definitely need to exploreon what that looks like.
Um, and I think it wouldbenefit others to join us.
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Oh, yeah.
I would love to see that.
I think that would be powerful.
You know, having agroup of women just be
able to speak on it.
I mean, that wouldchange numbers.
Like you said, unity is thebiggest thing right now.
I think it's just allus all getting together
in acknowledging it andthen building the space
that we're speaking of.
Right.
Because then it allows us tohave the space and really be
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able to dive deeper into thethings that we may not see.
Absolutely.
You know, my mom always saystwo brains are better than one.
Well, imagine fivebeing in a room.
I mean, some phenomenalthings would happen, right?
And I think, you know, thisfrom your your own personal
professional work, you know,we could talk about it all day.
(21:46):
You could buildstrategy all day.
But if there is an execution,it dies on the vine.
If you can't have peoplethat are talking about,
yeah, let's do it.
Let's build out this greatstrategy because I want
to be the face and I wanteveryone to see look at me.
but there's no execution.
(22:08):
You're not actually, theheart has to be there, right?
In order to execute.
So my background was inhospitality and a lot of my time
I spent doing a lot of studyingin like the kitchen and being in
the restaurant industry and thenalso doing the event management.
And when I was in that space,one thing I learned is that the
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core, the motor that made itactually go with the boots on
the ground, the people on thebackground who put the tables
up, who made sure that theplates got to the table, who
made sure the food got cooked.
Those were the major players.
And without those players, youreally didn't have an outcome.
There was no, therewas no finish line.
And so I always think it'simportant that we, as people,
(22:52):
like you said, we just don'tbuild strategy, we actually
go into action and that actionis what is going to be the
driver and the mechanism thatgets us to that finish line.
Um, so that's the major, right?
I never, and that'sthe thing for me.
Building strategy was neversomething I was like super,
my mom always, I don'tknow, growing up as a kid,
I think being around olderwomen, I was always a doer.
(23:14):
Right.
Like my mom will always tellme, all right, go ahead, get
the plate set up, you know,we're going to cook a meal.
How many peopleare we expecting?
I did a little bit ofstrategizing, but I
was always hands on.
Right.
And so that's alwaysbeen my happy space.
And I've always beenappreciative for people that
are actually action driven,because I understand that
action takes a lot of effort.
And sometimes people don'teven have the energy to put
(23:35):
the effort into that action.
So for people to put Thatenergy into it and get it done.
I'm always gratefulfor those people.
Yeah, because theexecutors are the doers.
You know, you call itthe get shit done crew.
You gotta The executors arethe doers, but then, you
know, obviously you havepeople that build you have
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to have people that are buildstrategy Not everyone that
builds strategy is a doer.
That's why they hire peopleto do the work, right?
But if you're you're, uh,you know spinning your wheels
and building that strategyand you never you don't even
have You A team to do thework it it's for not right.
So, um, I think thatthat is incredible.
(24:20):
So, bringing it back to ouryoung daughters, such as
yourself and below yourself,what are some of the things that
you would say to not only yourgeneration, but the generation
behind you in order to progressand be as successful as you are.
lead with kindness.
(24:40):
Is the number one thing.
Leading with kindness.
Really understanding thateveryone's struggling.
Everyone's going throughsomething, right?
Um, my next thing would be.
Show up consistentlyand earnestly.
Like sometimes we won't beable to show up every time,
but be just lead with thatbecause we are all human going
through a human experience.
(25:00):
So it's okay if you can'tshow up every time, but
be earnest when you can.
And then my next thing wouldbe that, you know, it takes
a village, um, teach one.
Um, if you share one pieceof knowledge with one person,
that person takes thatknowledge and shares it again,
it's a multiplier effect.
So I think it's justtaking the step, right?
(25:22):
And start with your immediatepeople, people that you
come in contact with ona day to day because it's
important that we practice it.
I'm not perfect.
I sit here saying I want avillage, and I want a space
where I can cultivate andpour into other women, but.
I know I'm human too,and sometimes it doesn't
come out always perfect.
So, um, just, you know, be easyon yourself as you go through
(25:44):
this journey of really tryingto inspire other young women
and, um, it's going to getdone, but it takes time and
so have patience with yourselfthat's a good word.
And.
What are some of the practicalthings you do to practice that?
I try to stay connectedwith my family.
I try to reach out tothe women in my family.
I try to speak lifeinto them and not even
(26:05):
just the women, right?
The men too, causemen need love too.
Cause they go throughtheir struggles, right?
Um, I think it's just beingkind and leading with kindness
and bit and then havingmoments with yourself where
you, Sometimes autocorrectyourself because sometimes I
know I sometimes I get into myfeelings and I'm like, okay,
well, Sheila, you could havedid that differently, right?
Um, because you have to workwith yourself because you're
(26:28):
evolving as a person, but Ithink just getting out and
applying it to the peoplethat you come in contact with
on a day to day basis, likeyour family, your friends,
start speaking life into them.
And then when you get thatsuccessfully done, then you
go out into the communityand you start to really show
up in your community becauseyour community needs you.
If you're doing it in yourfamily successfully, then
(26:50):
you should do it in yourcommunity successfully as well.
before we close, you doand you walk the walk.
Um, so what are some of thethings you do in your community?
Well, right now I'm actuallyso my cousin and me are
well, I'm supporting mycousin with her nonprofit.
It's called Village of Hope.
Um, it's a nonprofit communityprogram that helps Children.
(27:10):
Um, they do mentalhealth check ins.
She's a big advocate.
She's very big on it.
Um, so we every Friday or everyother Friday we get together.
Um, Children get to come.
We do different mentalhealth opportunities with
them, like just checking inon them, talking to them.
And opening up a safe space.
And, um, that was kind ofmy first step into 2024 of
(27:32):
getting into my communityand being involved.
And then I'm looking for otheropportunities as well, um,
that I can be more impactful.
That's amazing.
And then you do like.
I know you do some work andit's not habitat environment,
um, habitat of humanity.
But there was like firsttime buyer, homebuyers,
(27:54):
stuff that you're doing thatyou're coaching and mentoring
people as well, right?
That's correct.
Well, I just did it.
Actually, I justdid a video on that.
It should be coming outsoon with Freddie Mac.
Um, my mother becamea homeowner, um, right
before the pandemic.
And I walk with her throughthat journey and my education
where my mother came to mewith the vision of wanting
(28:16):
to become a homeowner.
Um, I believed in her somuch that I found resources
that would educate me andmy mother at the same time.
So I am a big advocateon financial education.
Um, so anytime I get theopportunity to share my
knowledge in that space,I try to, um, and the
biggest impact I'm tryingto make is within my family.
(28:37):
So really passing that knowledgeon to the younger generation
that's coming up under me,um, is what I'm trying to do.
That's smart.
Very, very, very smart.
You are a phenomenal woman.
I'm glad that youare in my circle.
Um, any last words thatyou, you want to pass
(28:57):
along to our listeners?
Well, I have to say, Iam so blessed to have
you in my circle as well.
Um, but to the young or justto other women, I would just
say continue being amazing,continue being great.
Um, lead with kindness andjust know that everything
is happening for a reasonand it's for your better.
Good.
(29:17):
So just believe in it andkeep manifesting, keep
doing what you're doing.
Believe in it.
That's the, the key wordthat you were saying.
They have to believein it, right?
In order for it tocome to manifestation.
So in order for it tomanifest, you got to believe.
That what you're doing isgreater than what you see.
(29:38):
A lot of times we see we'relooking right in front of
us, but we're not lookingthe circle gets bigger.
You got to look beyondwhat's in front of you.
In order to see the biggerpicture, and I think
that's where, you know, asyounger folks, some younger
folks don't think in thatmanner and get stuck.
(29:59):
Yep.
stop yourself.
So, how bad do you want it?
Cause you're yourbiggest roadblock.
Knock down, knock down yourself.
Second guessing yourselfand get to the success.
Get to where you want to get to.
well, Shae, it has beena pleasure having this
conversation with you.
I have thoroughly enjoyed itand I know that the listeners
will thoroughly enjoy it, andI look forward to continued
(30:22):
conversations with you.
Thank you for havingme and I look forward
to us doing this again.
And as always, I seeyou because I am you.
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