June 6, 2024 • 13 mins
What if achieving your goals meant sacrificing your weekends or rethinking your daily routines? In this episode of Giving Your Best Life, Stephanie and Zach tackle the often-overlooked concept of trade-offs in goal setting. From the substantial time commitments needed for marathon training to the potential strains on personal relationships, we shed light on the intricate balancing act required to pursue significant goals without disrupting the other facets of your life. Listen as Zach shares his personal journey of contemplating a triathlon sprint, illustrating the importance of thoughtful planning and realistic expectations to mitigate the risk of failure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey friends, it's Stephanie here with Giving your
Best Life podcast with my friendZach.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Lloyd sustainable anti-diet coach.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Awesome.
So I come in every Monday, zach, and I have our accountability.
And today I said, zach, what doyou want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And you said trade-offs, so jump right into
it so decision-making,trade-offs, procrastination kind
of as a subject a lot of thisgoes in there, but when you're
making a decision to Go after agoal, let's say, instead of
thinking about the goal and theoutcome you're gonna get, so
we're just talking about amarathon would be a good example
(00:35):
.
I'm gonna go run a marathon, andthen the outcome is you know,
I'm super fit, I achievedsomething that a lot of people
don't achieve.
Whatever that looks like foryou, instead of thinking about
the outcome being, what happensis think about, before you make
the decision to run the marathon, what are the trade-offs of
running the marathon in thefirst place, and then that can
help you set up one a bettergoal and craft a better goal
(00:59):
around it, but also maybepotentially changing the goal
depending on what the trade-offsare.
And then you also miss failuremost of the time, because a lot
of us will pick goals and thenwe'll kind of like start them a
little bit but not really beserious or traction, and then
all of a sudden we fail and wefeel worse about ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I like that.
Well, I've never thought aboutthat is like at the beginning of
your goal setting, thinkingabout the trade off in that
period of time.
So I've run a marathon and Inever thought about the trade
off.
It was like signed up and thenI was like, well, you'll figure
it out, right.
(01:42):
But at least for the marathonis like, a big trade-off is your
time, and it's big chunks oftime on weekends or that's when
I would do my long run.
So I love that idea because ithelps you plan and go.
Well, do I have a big chunk oftime to, especially later on in
the training, to go out and runtwo, three, four.
(02:06):
Well, I was slow, so four hoursor whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hey you did a very long.
Most people can't say that yeah, so that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I never thought about what are some of the trade-offs
, so I said time.
So time is one of thetrade-offs.
Yeah, um, I think people inyour life that you spend that
time with so like, for me it wasmy husband and then sometimes
they have to have a trade-off.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So not only even thinking about yourself like
there was some days where,especially if I was doing a long
run, I would have my husbandwould have to be within a
proximity, like one day itstarted lightning storming so my
husband had to come get me.
Well, you know what I mean,like, whatever you're doing, is
somebody else going to have tohave a trade-off within that
(02:54):
time period of you're working onyour goal?
What else, like, do you have tothink about in in terms of
trade-off?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's usually the, the unknowns, and then
there's unknown, unknowns.
This is not, that's a tough oneto have.
Think about that one for alittle bit.
But, like, for instance, a lotof people will be like, hey, I'm
gonna lose weight before summer, okay, great.
And then they're like all right, I'm gonna do that.
And that means that I'm gonnalike restrict my eating and I'm
gonna work out or move more, andthen boom, I'm gonna get what I
(03:23):
want, okay, fine.
But instead of missing, like,okay, what, what are those
actual trade-offs with, like yousaid, workouts?
But like, what about nutrition?
Like what are the trade-offsthere?
And it's like, well, what am Idoing now that I'm not going to
be able to do as much of, I'llhave to do less of, or it's like
you know, like you said, time'sa huge one.
(03:44):
And really, though, I think thetime if you decide like time and
you decide when you're going totrain, the trade-offs there
there's, like you said, there'sa linkage there that goes with
the time.
There's other things you couldbe doing with that time, right,
and so deciding how you're goingto spend that time well, is
huge.
So, for instance, I know, likeright now, um, I was thinking
(04:08):
about doing a uh, um, uhtriathlon sprint this summer.
A triathlon sprint this summerand I've never done one of those
before and I'm not a very bigcardio person in the slightest,
which is kind of why I want todo it, because it's something
that I don't really want to doand it's very uncomfortable
uncomfortable for me to dobecause I know I won't be very
successful, right and, like,I'll finish but it's about being
(04:30):
successful.
It really bothers me that I'mnot going to be like above
average.
That bothers me.
So now I want to do it.
But I was thinking about, okay,trade-offs, time-wise where in
my day can I actually train forit, like you're saying?
And then all of a sudden it'slike, okay, well, if I train
later at night, after my kids goto sleep, and let's say, like
you said, people, is my wifecool with that?
Okay, great, probably, yeah,good, but then what are the
(04:53):
trade-offs there?
I go to bed later a little bit,oh, okay.
But maybe that's 30 minutes,maybe that's not a big deal.
But there's this other thingthat I know about myself is if I
work out two to three hoursbefore bedtime, I cannot go to
sleep for like five hours, right.
And that's something I've triedand true and it's just true
about how so therefore okay, Ican't train for my triathlon
(05:15):
sprint that way, or yourtrade-off is sleep.
Right, or my trade-off is sleep,and then it's like okay, is
that wise in this certainscenario?
And so for me that's that'swhat I was kind of debating,
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, that's good.
Um, so I like that is your time, your family, so other people
that are involved.
It might be your sleep.
So I know, whenever I tellpeople like, if you look at like
writing a book or starting amorning routine, sometimes the
solution is getting up 30minutes or an hour earlier.
(05:47):
Some people have that time todo that and just are choosing
not to Other people.
People it really is a sacrificeand a trade-off of, okay, I'm
gonna have to give up that hourasleep.
I also think it could be moneythat's a trade-off.
So you talked about like, hey,I want to get fit by summer.
(06:07):
Well, if you look at, you knowlike how you're eating.
Maybe you're eating out.
Yeah, so that could go back totime, but it also could be money
of you know buying healthierthings.
Sometimes you might save money,though if you're not, I don't
know.
That's what I found when myhusband and I went to.
Most of our meals now are athome, even though we're buying,
(06:29):
you know, like healthierproducts yes we're saving money
because we're not going out toeat.
So, yeah, I like that.
The idea of like, what are youhaving to trade off?
I think too and this poppedinto my head when you were
talking is like interviewingsomebody or having a
conversation, because you talkedabout the unknowns, yeah, and
those will pop up.
(06:49):
But if you talk to somebodywho's done that, like, go, okay,
you did a marathon, what weresome of the trade-offs that you
had to make?
and so now you're, as you'resetting your goal, you're a
little bit more informed than,um, than if you're just like, oh
, I'm just gonna go run amarathon and I would say that
was one of the biggest thingswhen I was training for a
(07:10):
marathon was your time and yourlike nutrition that people talk
about, that you're going to haveto change.
So, yeah, anything else youwant to add On?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
the movement piece.
I think there's huge tradeoffsthat people don't consider with
working out, and I think that'skind of this proliferation of
workouts and they always have tobe hard.
And bodybuilding is like wherea lot of this stuff comes from,
and it's to move well in life,like you don't have to follow a
bodybuilding routine and, ifanything, there's a huge trade
(07:44):
off there where you might followthis routine that potentially
puts more muscle on your body,but is the goal?
Is the muscles the goal wherethere's this trade-off of you're
probably not going to move aswell, right, if you go past a
threshold of muscle.
So that's not thought about alot.
Yeah, and that's something I seea lot with a lot of clients
where they have pain and it'sit's pain that came from this
(08:08):
training that they thought theywere supposed to do to get the
muscle, and it's like, well,there's other ways you can train
too.
But there's also a trade off ofyou start lifting a certain
amount of weight and you keeppushing that weight and all of a
sudden you're really working onlike your absolute strength,
and what we know about workingon your absolute strength is you
actually limit your movementcapacity over time and so you're
(08:29):
not going to rotate and walk aswell, and sometimes that leads
to pain, whether it's knee pain,back pain or whatever, and I
don't think that's somethingthat's talked about enough.
So I just like bringing that up, because that's a trade off is
the training you decide to gowith, and so that's something to
think about.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think, too, that you mentioned is I've seen this,
especially as you get older,and you can correct me if I'm
wrong like, is this true orfalse?
Is depending on what you'refocusing on, and let's just say,
with your fitness and yourhealth is higher risk of injury.
So that's the potential of atrade-off.
Like for me, like running amarathon or lifting more weights
(09:11):
or trying different things,like my goal is to play tennis,
even, or something like that isthere might be a trade-off of a
higher injury rate of that.
I don't know, do you see that?
But that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think that kind of plays into exactly what I just
mentioned and people aren't justaren't aware of it because
we're not taught it.
Honestly, there's not a lot ofpeople in the main spectrum that
really talk about this, becauseI don't think they fully
understand it.
It's like a lot of physicaltherapists um might get a change
and then you go home, but thenafter a week or so you get the
(09:52):
same pain again, even afterdoing the exercises.
That happens a lot, and it's notlike the physical therapist is
bad, it's just this lack ofunderstanding that there's
trade-offs in movement right andso like, for instance, this,
this, uh, this sprint triathlonthat I've been thinking about
doing because I have not trainedin these longer distance sports
before.
My body's more adapt atsprinting and putting out a lot
(10:14):
of force really fast over ashort amount of time in
weightlifting and sprintingbecause that's basketball is
basically sprinting, long storyshort.
And so therefore, now I knowthat I'm gonna have to put in
extra time to warm up and changethe way my body moves a little
bit to run longer withoutgetting the pain that we're kind
of talking about, and I thinkthat's part of it.
(10:35):
As we get older, this painarises not because, like
necessarily getting older initself and it is inherently
going to cause the pain it's thefact that more time under load,
in whatever load it is, whether, like you've been a long
distance walker for your entirelife, you will make adaptations
(10:57):
to your body and you will movedifferently.
And there's a reason where, ifyou look at Olympic sprint or,
sorry, olympic long distancerunners and then an olympic shot
putter, their bodies will lookvery, very different, and that's
just.
That's a good example of seeingthe biases between movement,
(11:17):
where a shot putter is not goingto be able to run long
distances very well because oftheir actual structure and if
you think they look like a, likea, basically like a really big
uh cylinder piston, right, and Iwon't go down too much on this
road, but I think basically allof us are just worms, like
humans, are just worms, we movelike worms and we're these big
(11:39):
funnels and then you have a bigfunnel for the shot putter and
then for the long distancerunner you have a really slender
cylinder or funnel and you willmove very differently and then,
as we get older, gravity's beenworking on us longer and so
that's what kind of a lot ofthis stuff comes from,
especially in the pain realm.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah I think, too, another trade-off uh,
financially is because you saidsomething like for me to be able
to do the marathon.
You talked about physicaltherapy.
Like I had a doctor that I hadto bring on my team.
You guys might have heard metalk about dr Demko, but I had
not been able to get past acertain mileage and I knew to
(12:20):
get past a certain mileage, Iwas gonna have to work with
somebody else.
So, like you have people that ifthey want to set their goal is,
they'll come and they'll workwith you, they have to pay.
There's a cost to bringing youon my team and putting that team
together and so deciding hey,if I'm really going to and that
was my thing is, if I'm going torun the marathon, I want to
finish the marathon, but there'sa cost to doing that, and am I
(12:45):
willing to do that Instead ofgoing well, maybe I might finish
the marathon.
But then you're like you'rekind of how do I want to say
this?
It's like either do it or don'tdo it Because you're already
trading costs with your time.
You want to make sure, like hey,thinking about it, of going.
If I do it, I want to do itwell and I do want to accomplish
(13:07):
it, and it doesn't have toworry about time.
You can define success, however, but thinking about who do you
need on your team and is there atrade-off with having to pay
somebody to come on that teamfor that time?
That's a great example so whatelse?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
anything else, I think that sums up.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, wonderful well, this is another great topic.
Trade-offs is another way thatyou can get to giving your best
life.
Hey friends, it's Stephanie here with Giving your
Best Life podcast with my friendZach.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Lloyd sustainable anti-diet coach.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Awesome.
So I come in every Monday, zach, and I have our accountability.
And today I said, zach, what doyou want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And you said trade-offs, so jump right into
it so decision-making,trade-offs, procrastination kind
of as a subject a lot of thisgoes in there, but when you're
making a decision to Go after agoal, let's say, instead of
thinking about the goal and theoutcome you're gonna get, so
we're just talking about amarathon would be a good example
(00:35):
.
I'm gonna go run a marathon, andthen the outcome is you know,
I'm super fit, I achievedsomething that a lot of people
don't achieve.
Whatever that looks like foryou, instead of thinking about
the outcome being, what happensis think about, before you make
the decision to run the marathon, what are the trade-offs of
running the marathon in thefirst place, and then that can
help you set up one a bettergoal and craft a better goal
(00:59):
around it, but also maybepotentially changing the goal
depending on what the trade-offsare.
And then you also miss failuremost of the time, because a lot
of us will pick goals and thenwe'll kind of like start them a
little bit but not really beserious or traction, and then
all of a sudden we fail and wefeel worse about ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I like that.
Well, I've never thought aboutthat is like at the beginning of
your goal setting, thinkingabout the trade off in that
period of time.
So I've run a marathon and Inever thought about the trade
off.
It was like signed up and thenI was like, well, you'll figure
it out, right.
(01:42):
But at least for the marathonis like, a big trade-off is your
time, and it's big chunks oftime on weekends or that's when
I would do my long run.
So I love that idea because ithelps you plan and go.
Well, do I have a big chunk oftime to, especially later on in
the training, to go out and runtwo, three, four.
(02:06):
Well, I was slow, so four hoursor whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hey you did a very long.
Most people can't say that yeah, so that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I never thought about what are some of the trade-offs
, so I said time.
So time is one of thetrade-offs.
Yeah, um, I think people inyour life that you spend that
time with so like, for me it wasmy husband and then sometimes
they have to have a trade-off.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So not only even thinking about yourself like
there was some days where,especially if I was doing a long
run, I would have my husbandwould have to be within a
proximity, like one day itstarted lightning storming so my
husband had to come get me.
Well, you know what I mean,like, whatever you're doing, is
somebody else going to have tohave a trade-off within that
(02:54):
time period of you're working onyour goal?
What else, like, do you have tothink about in in terms of
trade-off?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, it's usually the, the unknowns, and then
there's unknown, unknowns.
This is not, that's a tough oneto have.
Think about that one for alittle bit.
But, like, for instance, a lotof people will be like, hey, I'm
gonna lose weight before summer, okay, great.
And then they're like all right, I'm gonna do that.
And that means that I'm gonnalike restrict my eating and I'm
gonna work out or move more, andthen boom, I'm gonna get what I
(03:23):
want, okay, fine.
But instead of missing, like,okay, what, what are those
actual trade-offs with, like yousaid, workouts?
But like, what about nutrition?
Like what are the trade-offsthere?
And it's like, well, what am Idoing now that I'm not going to
be able to do as much of, I'llhave to do less of, or it's like
you know, like you said, time'sa huge one.
(03:44):
And really, though, I think thetime if you decide like time and
you decide when you're going totrain, the trade-offs there
there's, like you said, there'sa linkage there that goes with
the time.
There's other things you couldbe doing with that time, right,
and so deciding how you're goingto spend that time well, is
huge.
So, for instance, I know, likeright now, um, I was thinking
(04:08):
about doing a uh, um, uhtriathlon sprint this summer.
A triathlon sprint this summerand I've never done one of those
before and I'm not a very bigcardio person in the slightest,
which is kind of why I want todo it, because it's something
that I don't really want to doand it's very uncomfortable
uncomfortable for me to dobecause I know I won't be very
successful, right and, like,I'll finish but it's about being
(04:30):
successful.
It really bothers me that I'mnot going to be like above
average.
That bothers me.
So now I want to do it.
But I was thinking about, okay,trade-offs, time-wise where in
my day can I actually train forit, like you're saying?
And then all of a sudden it'slike, okay, well, if I train
later at night, after my kids goto sleep, and let's say, like
you said, people, is my wifecool with that?
Okay, great, probably, yeah,good, but then what are the
(04:53):
trade-offs there?
I go to bed later a little bit,oh, okay.
But maybe that's 30 minutes,maybe that's not a big deal.
But there's this other thingthat I know about myself is if I
work out two to three hoursbefore bedtime, I cannot go to
sleep for like five hours, right.
And that's something I've triedand true and it's just true
about how so therefore okay, Ican't train for my triathlon
(05:15):
sprint that way, or yourtrade-off is sleep.
Right, or my trade-off is sleep,and then it's like okay, is
that wise in this certainscenario?
And so for me that's that'swhat I was kind of debating,
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, that's good.
Um, so I like that is your time, your family, so other people
that are involved.
It might be your sleep.
So I know, whenever I tellpeople like, if you look at like
writing a book or starting amorning routine, sometimes the
solution is getting up 30minutes or an hour earlier.
(05:47):
Some people have that time todo that and just are choosing
not to Other people.
People it really is a sacrificeand a trade-off of, okay, I'm
gonna have to give up that hourasleep.
I also think it could be moneythat's a trade-off.
So you talked about like, hey,I want to get fit by summer.
(06:07):
Well, if you look at, you knowlike how you're eating.
Maybe you're eating out.
Yeah, so that could go back totime, but it also could be money
of you know buying healthierthings.
Sometimes you might save money,though if you're not, I don't
know.
That's what I found when myhusband and I went to.
Most of our meals now are athome, even though we're buying,
(06:29):
you know, like healthierproducts yes we're saving money
because we're not going out toeat.
So, yeah, I like that.
The idea of like, what are youhaving to trade off?
I think too and this poppedinto my head when you were
talking is like interviewingsomebody or having a
conversation, because you talkedabout the unknowns, yeah, and
those will pop up.
(06:49):
But if you talk to somebodywho's done that, like, go, okay,
you did a marathon, what weresome of the trade-offs that you
had to make?
and so now you're, as you'resetting your goal, you're a
little bit more informed than,um, than if you're just like, oh
, I'm just gonna go run amarathon and I would say that
was one of the biggest thingswhen I was training for a
(07:10):
marathon was your time and yourlike nutrition that people talk
about, that you're going to haveto change.
So, yeah, anything else youwant to add On?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
the movement piece.
I think there's huge tradeoffsthat people don't consider with
working out, and I think that'skind of this proliferation of
workouts and they always have tobe hard.
And bodybuilding is like wherea lot of this stuff comes from,
and it's to move well in life,like you don't have to follow a
bodybuilding routine and, ifanything, there's a huge trade
(07:44):
off there where you might followthis routine that potentially
puts more muscle on your body,but is the goal?
Is the muscles the goal wherethere's this trade-off of you're
probably not going to move aswell, right, if you go past a
threshold of muscle.
So that's not thought about alot.
Yeah, and that's something I seea lot with a lot of clients
where they have pain and it'sit's pain that came from this
(08:08):
training that they thought theywere supposed to do to get the
muscle, and it's like, well,there's other ways you can train
too.
But there's also a trade off ofyou start lifting a certain
amount of weight and you keeppushing that weight and all of a
sudden you're really working onlike your absolute strength,
and what we know about workingon your absolute strength is you
actually limit your movementcapacity over time and so you're
(08:29):
not going to rotate and walk aswell, and sometimes that leads
to pain, whether it's knee pain,back pain or whatever, and I
don't think that's somethingthat's talked about enough.
So I just like bringing that up, because that's a trade off is
the training you decide to gowith, and so that's something to
think about.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think, too, that you mentioned is I've seen this,
especially as you get older,and you can correct me if I'm
wrong like, is this true orfalse?
Is depending on what you'refocusing on, and let's just say,
with your fitness and yourhealth is higher risk of injury.
So that's the potential of atrade-off.
Like for me, like running amarathon or lifting more weights
(09:11):
or trying different things,like my goal is to play tennis,
even, or something like that isthere might be a trade-off of a
higher injury rate of that.
I don't know, do you see that?
But that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think that kind of plays into exactly what I just
mentioned and people aren't justaren't aware of it because
we're not taught it.
Honestly, there's not a lot ofpeople in the main spectrum that
really talk about this, becauseI don't think they fully
understand it.
It's like a lot of physicaltherapists um might get a change
and then you go home, but thenafter a week or so you get the
(09:52):
same pain again, even afterdoing the exercises.
That happens a lot, and it's notlike the physical therapist is
bad, it's just this lack ofunderstanding that there's
trade-offs in movement right andso like, for instance, this,
this, uh, this sprint triathlonthat I've been thinking about
doing because I have not trainedin these longer distance sports
before.
My body's more adapt atsprinting and putting out a lot
(10:14):
of force really fast over ashort amount of time in
weightlifting and sprintingbecause that's basketball is
basically sprinting, long storyshort.
And so therefore, now I knowthat I'm gonna have to put in
extra time to warm up and changethe way my body moves a little
bit to run longer withoutgetting the pain that we're kind
of talking about, and I thinkthat's part of it.
(10:35):
As we get older, this painarises not because, like
necessarily getting older initself and it is inherently
going to cause the pain it's thefact that more time under load,
in whatever load it is, whether, like you've been a long
distance walker for your entirelife, you will make adaptations
(10:57):
to your body and you will movedifferently.
And there's a reason where, ifyou look at Olympic sprint or,
sorry, olympic long distancerunners and then an olympic shot
putter, their bodies will lookvery, very different, and that's
just.
That's a good example of seeingthe biases between movement,
(11:17):
where a shot putter is not goingto be able to run long
distances very well because oftheir actual structure and if
you think they look like a, likea, basically like a really big
uh cylinder piston, right, and Iwon't go down too much on this
road, but I think basically allof us are just worms, like
humans, are just worms, we movelike worms and we're these big
(11:39):
funnels and then you have a bigfunnel for the shot putter and
then for the long distancerunner you have a really slender
cylinder or funnel and you willmove very differently and then,
as we get older, gravity's beenworking on us longer and so
that's what kind of a lot ofthis stuff comes from,
especially in the pain realm.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah I think, too, another trade-off uh,
financially is because you saidsomething like for me to be able
to do the marathon.
You talked about physicaltherapy.
Like I had a doctor that I hadto bring on my team.
You guys might have heard metalk about dr Demko, but I had
not been able to get past acertain mileage and I knew to
(12:20):
get past a certain mileage, Iwas gonna have to work with
somebody else.
So, like you have people that ifthey want to set their goal is,
they'll come and they'll workwith you, they have to pay.
There's a cost to bringing youon my team and putting that team
together and so deciding hey,if I'm really going to and that
was my thing is, if I'm going torun the marathon, I want to
finish the marathon, but there'sa cost to doing that, and am I
(12:45):
willing to do that Instead ofgoing well, maybe I might finish
the marathon.
But then you're like you'rekind of how do I want to say
this?
It's like either do it or don'tdo it Because you're already
trading costs with your time.
You want to make sure, like hey,thinking about it, of going.
If I do it, I want to do itwell and I do want to accomplish
(13:07):
it, and it doesn't have toworry about time.
You can define success, however, but thinking about who do you
need on your team and is there atrade-off with having to pay
somebody to come on that teamfor that time?
That's a great example so whatelse?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
anything else, I think that sums up.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, wonderful well, this is another great topic.
Trade-offs is another way thatyou can get to giving your best
life.
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