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What if the opposite of depression isn’t happiness—but purpose?
In this inspiring episode, Jessica Brodmerkel shares her journey from interior designer to certified personal trainer, author, and creator of The Balanced Athlete. With over 20 years of experience helping clients discover their gifts and create lives they love, Jessica reveals how tools like Ikegai and personal mission statements can transform not just your career, but your identity—especially for working moms and parents of teen athletes. We dive into how living your purpose can prevent burnout, guide your teens by example, and help you thrive in every season of life.

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Books we discussed in this episode:

The Change Your Thoughts Change Your Life

Wabisabi

Don't Keep Your Day Job

Atomic Habits

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck

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Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to Glow Wild.
where we explore theintersection of purpose,
healing, and wholeheartedliving.
Today's episode is for anyonewho's ever asked, is this it?
For anyone who's jugglingschedules, raising kids,
building careers, and stilllonging for something deeper,

(01:31):
something that feels aligned.
I am thrilled to welcome JessicaBrodmerkel to the show today, an
inspiring coach, communicator,athlete, author, and mom who has
built a life of business aroundthe one powerful idea that the
opposite of depression isn'thappiness, it's purpose.

(01:51):
Jessica knows firsthand thatbeing a working mom is no easy
feat.
Between carpools, Zoom meetings,sports practices, and everything
in between, we are constantlymaking tough decisions.
But what if those decisionscould be guided by a personal
mission statement?
What if we showed our kids thatliving with purpose is the most
powerful way to thrive.
After pivoting from a successfulinterior design career into the

(02:16):
world of fitness and wellnessback in 2005, Jessica followed
her calling, even when it meantstarting over.
Since then, she's helpedcountless clients rediscover
their gifts, align their liveswith their values, and build
purpose-driven paths forward.
Jessica is the founder ofBalance Beyond Burnout and The
Balanced Athlete.

(02:37):
offering transformative programsthat help both parents and teen
athletes find balance, preventburnout, and create lives they
actually love.
She's also a newly publishedauthor.
Her heartfelt book about being avolleyball mom launched in
March, and the paperback versionis coming out this August.
It's a must read for any parentnavigating the emotional

(02:57):
rollercoaster of youth sportsand self-discovery, which I know
all too well.
In this conversation, we diveinto personal mission
statements, and how to modelpurpose for our kids and
ourselves.
Jessica reminds us that we arenot just employees, caretakers,
or chauffeurs.
We are whole people withpassions, gifts, and potential.

(03:18):
So if you have ever felt likeyou were made for more, if
you're curious how to pivotwithout shame, and you want to
live, not just survive, this oneprecious life, then this episode
is your permission slip.
Let's get into it with thebrilliant and purpose-fueled
Jessica Rodmerkel.
Well, welcome, Jessica, to theGlow Wild podcast.

(03:40):
I'm really excited that you'rehere.
I already gave our listeners alittle intro describing what you
do and how you left your career,but if you have anything else to
share, we'd love to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 (03:53):
Sure.
Well, first of all, I'm soexcited to be on your podcast.
I've been listening to you, andI think you are just a
phenomenal human being.
Oh, my gosh.
Thank you so much.
No, I mean, I've been telling myfriends, I'm like, oh my gosh,
this woman, she has lived like athousand lives in her short
life.

(04:14):
And you just have thepersistence and passion and
mission that

SPEAKER_01 (04:21):
I just, I think you're amazing.
Oh, that is so kind.
Thank you so much for that.
Yes, of course.
But I want to hear about youbecause what you do is so
inspiring.
The big leap you took inchanging careers.
Yeah, just you tell us aboutyou.
So,

SPEAKER_00 (04:39):
you know, there's a lot of like bits and pieces, I
think, with all of us, you know,that lead us into a certain
direction.
And my inspiration growing upwas my grandmother.
And she, so I'll tell you alittle bit about her story
first, because she's my mentor,was my mentor, and just kind of
is what keeps me motivated tolive my mission and my passion.

(05:04):
So she, growing up, she actuallycontracted TB of the spine.
Oh, my God.
And I guess that is calledPott's disease.
And so when I was younger, Ilistened to these stories about
her life as a child.
She was probably, I think,around five years old when this
happened.
And she told me they took partof her femur and kind of lost in

(05:28):
the disease.
And...
but she couldn't walk.
And so they carted her to andfrom school on a red wagon.
Oh my gosh.
On a board.
So we'd go to school and be likeall the other kids.
And at some point during thattime, they created this like
lying down on desk, but she'sprone on her stomach.

(05:52):
Oh, wow.
And there's like a writingsurface for her to write on.
And the crazy thing is, I'vebeen telling this story and it's
just kind of a part of my storynow, you know, and my mom the
other day found an article witha picture of her on that desk.
And it's just, Oh, wow.
Yeah.

(06:16):
Wow, I'm

SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
very excited to hear about it.
I mean, what a life as a youngchild.
That's crazy, but I love thatarticle title, Looking to the
Future with a Smile.
Yeah.
That's huge.
Yeah.
Sorry to interrupt.
Keep going, please.

SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
I'm sure you can kind of relate to this.
You will never walk.
You will never have children.
You will never play sports.
You know, they gave her all ofthese stories that were not her
story.
They were their story and herprognosis.

(07:05):
And Let me tell you.
She...
Not only did she walk, sheplayed sports.
She was, like, low-level, witheither her own, like, softball.

SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
Oh, I love that so much.
I love that movie.
Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
Sure, she...
When she was in her 40s, shelearned how to play golf and
walked the entire golf courseevery day after work.
And she had four children.

SPEAKER_01 (07:33):
So she beat everyone's expectations and
proved them wrong, which I lovea story like that.
And you're right.
I think we've all lived, in someway, exceeded expectations that
we don't even realize.
So what a wonderful story thatshe...
inspired you and was she kind ofthe pivotal or the reason why

(07:56):
you felt so confident takingthat lead from interior designer
to being in the health andwellness arena?
I

SPEAKER_00 (08:05):
think so, you know, just knowing how she lived her
life and kind of one thing.
She died when she was 93, by theway.
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (08:12):
So she lived a long, healthy, amazing life.
That's great.

SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
Right.
And she died.
She passed away about two yearsago, which was way after I
decided to take that leap.
But that definitely seed for me,just by how important it is to
live out your purpose and yourvision and live your story and
not somebody else's story foryou.
And, you know, One of her finalconversations with me was, she

(08:39):
called me Jessie.
She said, Jessie, I'm not afraidto die.
I have lived a long life andI've done everything that I
wanted to do and I'm at peacewith this.
Isn't that all of our wish?

SPEAKER_01 (08:55):
Our wish, yeah.
Not having regrets or I wish Ihad.
You said something reallyimportant.
I want to go back to it.
It was about you being in chargeof...
I can't remember now because Iwas listening to the story so
deeply.
I tend to do that.
What was her advice to you?

(09:15):
It was so profound.
I just wanted the listeners tohear it one more time.

SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
Of course, yeah.
You know, I think it's just,it's so important to create your
own story.
That's it, yep.
Know your purpose.
You know, if you know yourpurpose and you don't even know
your story.
I love that.
It seems that...
she did.
And she didn't listen to thoseother stories that the doctors
told her when she was younger orthat other people told her

(09:42):
throughout her life.
She, she knew who she was

SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
and what she was meant to do.
I think the message inspired me.
Yeah, that's huge.
And it's just so important thatwe understand we, if we believe
we can do it, we can.
And it, I know that's such asimple saying, and we hear it
all the time, but to see herstory, to see your story, to see
my own, I mean, it's true.

(10:05):
If you really do believe, youcan make it happen.
But I want to talk to you.
Something that you said was theopposite of depression isn't
happiness.
It's knowing and living yourpurpose.
So we've already kind of coveredpurpose and all of that.
Can you take us back to themoment in your life when you
first felt that truth?
Was it with your grandmother?

SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
me so this is when I decided to change my career so
all growing up you know I wantedto be an interior designer and I
did I did my internship withinterior design I worked for a
high furniture store as aninterior designer like in
general you know they wouldpurchase the furniture and I
would design their homes forthem and it was great but I knew

(10:48):
there was something missing andYou know, I think if you're not
letting your purpose get down onyourself, you can question
yourself.
And then there was also thisstruggle with my pride of like,
I didn't want to be that personthat went to college for one
thing.
It's not all about money and theblood, sweat, tears.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Getting your degree and thenchanging your career.

(11:09):
Well, it's also very scary to dothat.
And so, you know, growing up, Iwas a teen athlete.
I was a high-performing teenathlete, and I lived in Northern
Indiana, and my parents gotdivorced, and then we ended up
moving to Oklahoma the Christmasbreak of my sophomore year of
high school, and that kind ofchanged the trajectory of just

(11:31):
my sports career and things likethat, and But I think, you know,
going through that, I ended uphaving that background with
sports and having thatbackground, you know, just being
an athlete.
And then my college job, while Iwas going to school for interior
design, I actually was agymnastics coach at the gym that
Shanna Miller went to.

(11:52):
Oh, wow.
Her coach opened up.
And so that really planted aseed, too, in me, just like for
the passion of coaching and thepassion of...
just helping people reach theirgoals and high levels of what
they're wanting to achieve.
And so in 2005, after doinginterior design for a while, I

(12:12):
was really struggling withwanting to change and become a
personal trainer, but strugglingwith that pride thing, you know?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Should I do this?
And a friend of mine gave me abook that...
just talked about figuring outyour personal mission, figuring
out your mission statement.
And so I sat down for the firsttime, and I wrote out my

(12:33):
personal mission statement.
And at the time, I was workingat a commercial furniture store,
you know, with tables and desks,and I was actually the designer
there doing auto-cad drawings.
And I would get done with mywork, and I would be forwarded
out of my mind.
Oh, I can imagine.
Yeah.
And I didn't like sitting behindthe desk.

(12:56):
And so I would do my job andthen I just find myself walking
like slaps around the showroomfloor.
And so one day in 2005, after Idiscovered what my personal
mission was, I went to my bossand I just empowered me.
Oh, I love that.
To say, you know what, I am, Ilove, you know, I love the

(13:18):
opportunity here, but I havediscovered that It doesn't align
with my personal mission.

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
And would you mind sharing that mission statement
with us?
What you came up with fromreading this book and maybe what
the book title is?

SPEAKER_00 (13:31):
Yeah.
And so my first one is a littlebit different.
And that's something also that Iwant to kind of share with you
is, you know, your personalmission statement is going to
change in about time, dependingon the seasons of your life.
I can tell you it's very in linewith my current personal mission
statement.
And my current personal missionstatement is we find ourselves

(13:53):
creating things, empoweringothers, moving physically, and
shaping our environment.
I help others to create a life,a long journey of wealth and
longevity.
And it was very similar backthen to what it is now.
And I found a picture of theindex card I wrote it on, and I
used to tape it up in mynotebook.
once I became a personaltrainer.

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And now it just, you know, Idon't have it.
I figured

SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
this out.
No, no, I love, I love thatthough.
So give us a reason or like whatthe process was like going from
being an interior designer.
Did you quit immediately andstart working towards becoming a
personal trainer or was it along slogging process

SPEAKER_00 (14:37):
and personal vision statement down and knowing that
it was such an easy choice forme to leave.
So that day, like after probablymy 10th lap around the floor, I
was like, you know what?
I am going to turn my two weeksnotice in.
Oh, wow.
Have a job lined up.
I did have my, I had just gotmy, I had got my, or was my

(15:00):
personal training certification.
And I was about to take the testfor that.
And so I I gave them my twoweeks notice.
And, you know, it's really kindof a universe kind of work
sometimes.
I had worked for a, it was likea wholesale interior design
place for the commercial design.
And so I designed this room forfour interior designers to come

(15:23):
in and say, oh, I like that.
I like that.
I want that for my client, youknow, and so forth.
And I had left that because theywere paying like peanuts.
So at that same time, The ownerof that place called me back and
said, hey, we'd really like foryou to come work for us at this
time.
So I'm feeling really confidentand I've got this pension
statement.

(15:44):
And I don't know if you canrelate to this, but I am a
people pleaser.
I just want to be smooth.
I don't want to hurt anybody'sfeelings.
I don't want to let anybodydown.
I

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
hear you.
I think it's harshly ourgeneration.
I assume we're around the sameage.
And just that people pleasing,especially as a woman, it's a
hard thing to go through lifebecause you don't want to let
anyone down.
And of course, as you've beenkind of recruited to this
position, you feel like you'reletting someone down.
I'm sure that was tough.

SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
But, you know, having this personal mission
statement, I remember lookinghim in the eyes and saying, I
really appreciate thisopportunity, but it does not
align with my personal missionstatement.
And I'm actually really excitedabout going into the fitness
industry right now and, youknow, becoming a personal
trainer.
trainer.
And you know what, Nicole, helooked at me, and I think a lot

(16:41):
of people try to steer you intofollowing their stories.
Oh, yeah.
And he said, well, you're nevergoing

SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
to make enough money in that field or that industry.
Interesting.
That was my next question,because I know you mentioned
that in the information that yousent me.
How did you respond to that atthe time?
And did that invoke fear in you?
I

SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
think I had so, I was so empowered and I was so
confident because of creatingthis personal mission statement
that I just said, you know what?
I don't believe that.
And I'm really passionate aboutthis.
So it's actually not about themoney.
It's about living on my mission.

SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
That is huge.
I love that.
Right.
You can't change your identity,your purpose, your mission.
So I love that.
Yeah.
So many women, we're kind oftalking about this already, but
especially moms, tie theiridentity to their job or their
parenting role.
And how did your identity shiftas your child grew or your

(17:42):
children grew when you startedcreating the Balanced Athlete?

SPEAKER_00 (17:45):
Yeah, so because of this, because of creating the
Balanced Athlete program, Iteach that it's not about the
titles.
And like you're saying, I thinkit's so...
Like, we can get so caught up intitles.
But really, we're not titles.

(18:06):
Even Mom.
Like, I...
You know, the title of Mom.
I mean, we all are proud ofthat.
I mean, that is just like...
probably one of the you know thetitles that we're so proud of oh
what like how does that describeyou it doesn't really anybody
like what kind of mom are youlike what do you do what does
that mean who is your kids andeven you know as like an author

(18:29):
of you know the volleyball bookit's like yeah author but really
I go back to my first submissionstatement and I I am a creator.
I create things.
I empower people.
I shape environments.
I move physically.
You know, I'm a verb.
I'm a title.
It's what we contribute back tothe world of us.

(18:51):
And I think that's what ourmission statement helps us with.
And that's what I help teach,you know, the athletes and the
team athletes and their parentsis just, it is so important.
Can you imagine, like, whatwe're talking about?
I think The opposite ofhappiness is knowing your
purpose.
So if people know their purpose,they know their mission.

(19:12):
Can you imagine what this worldcould be like?
Oh, I

SPEAKER_01 (19:14):
know.
And I do feel very lucky, but Ialso know that I worked for it
to find that purpose.
I had terrible things happen tome.
I could have crawled into ahole.
And I love speaking with youbecause you also...
found that purpose and whatwould you say and what do you
say to people that you work withwho are really struggling to

(19:37):
even come up with a missionstatement or to find something
that they're passionate about oryou know what drives them

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
yeah and so with the ballast athlete program i help i
help them create their personalmission statement i have a
process that i that I personallyworked through to create mine
that I guide them to workthrough to create theirs.
And part of it is just findingtheir strengths.
I help them kind of pick outtheir five key strengths or

(20:07):
gifts, if you will.
And then we use those gifts tocreate that written personal
mission statement and we put iton paper.
And it becomes, you know, Imean, it helps kind of balance
you and ground you and takes youback.
Anytime you're feeling likeyou've got to please somebody
else or somebody else is tellingyou their story of you, you can

(20:27):
go back to that personal missionstatement and say, no, this is
who I am.
This is what my strengths are.
This is what my gifts are.
And it helps you say yes or noto things.
You know, for me, it helped mesay yes or no to the right kinds
of career paths from teenathletes.
I read an article the other daythat there is actually...
kind of something that'shappening with teen athletes and

(20:50):
identity crisis because oncethey're finished with their
sports or they're finished withcollege and maybe they're going
to college for the scholarshipfor their sport, right?
As soon as they're in there,they're like, now who am I?
Absolutely.
You are more than that athlete.
You are more than the footballplayer.
You are more than thecheerleader.
You are more than the volleyballplayer.

(21:12):
There's so much more.
You have so many gifts andtalents that I love to have.
Not discover, but uncover.
Right.
I

SPEAKER_01 (21:20):
really like that because it applies to everyone.
It's not just the teen athlete.
Maybe it's someone who, likeyou, is switching careers and
they're like, now what?
Or they lost a job.
Now what?
I mean, unless you really sitdown and go over your values,
your gifts, your talents, what'simportant to you, you're not

(21:43):
moving forward.
You're kind of just stuck.
And I see that.
a lot with so many people Iknow.
You just want to shake them andsay, you have so much to offer.
Why aren't you doing it?
You have to be kind.
They may not know.
I just love this.
Tell us more about the balancedathlete.

(22:05):
Once you became a personaltrainer, I want to hear the
whole framework.
We went over a little bit of it,like how you unlock or I'm
sorry, uncover their gifts andtalents.
I love that.
Yeah, yeah.
Tell us more about the BalancedAthlete and where you work out
of, who you serve.
Is it countrywide?
And then I want to talk aboutyour book after this.

SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, so I actually, fulldisclosure, I do have a 9-to-5
job.
I'm a communications analyst.
There's my title.
Oh! But I actually, before Ibecame...
that title there.
I ran out of there for a fitnesscenter for a decade.

(22:46):
And I went to work for the YMCAfor a little while.
And then they opened thisposition with the communications
analyst position that also islike the events coordinator or
sort of got the events team andthings like that.
And so I went back in that role.
So I am currently working a nineto five writing.
Imagine that.

(23:08):
I get it.
Welded.
corporate wellness and thingslike that.
But I am building this coachingbusiness because this is my
passion and this is my mission.
And I keep telling people, like,my passion is helping you.
My passion and purpose ishelping you figure out your
passion and purpose.
And so I do have on Instagram,you can find me at Justine

(23:30):
Rodmerkel.
And I have a Calendly link on mybio where you can schedule
sessions A free, I'm calling itjust like a clarity call type
situation.
But then for the two programsthat I offer, one is Vision
Statements Bootcamp, and it'sfor parents and their teen
athletes to schedule.

(23:52):
It's a 90-minute call with me.
And we sit down, and that'swhere we do uncover and bring
forth, figure out the five giftsand create that personal mission
statement for the athlete andthe parent.
Because, you know, as parents,too, and, you know, I am a
parent of a teen athlete, andthis is kind of where this is

(24:14):
all stemming from.
Yeah.
You are so busy.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
taxi driver.

SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Oh, that's how I feel.
Right.
My kids are only five and sixand one of them's already on a
competitive gymnastics team andthe hours of training, I mean,
it's six hours a week, two timesa week and then you have the
weekends and And yeah, I justfeel like a cab driver.
And it's like where, I don'twant to lose myself in that

(24:46):
because I love being a mom, butI'm not just a mom.
You're not just a mom.
We have our own mission.
And that's really cool that youwork with the parents as well.
And of course, I'll link all ofthis information in the show
notes so that people can findyou.
What's the power in helping bothparents and teens discover their
purpose together?

(25:07):
Like what have you found thatthat really...
uncovers for them?

SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
That is a great question.
So, you know, as parents, Ithink we want to be great
mentors to our children.
You know, we teach them, but wealso want to be you know, good
examples.
And so if we don't know what ourpassion and our purpose is, or
if our kiddos see us, all we'redoing is driving around and, you

(25:33):
know, that's what they see usas.
They don't realize that, ohwait, my parent is a human being
too.
And they have dreams and theyhave desires.
You know, I think that's soimportant for us to understand
to show them and be examples ofthat.
And then I have, it's been so,so cool because some of the

(25:54):
families that I have done thepersonal mission statement food
camp with me, it's just reallyneat to uncover.
For instance, I have a Brownfamily, and they have a son who
is a tennis player.
And he is a senior.
He's just about to be a seniorin high school.
And then a daughter that isactually my daughter's age.

(26:15):
They're about to be freshmen inhigh school.
And she's a dancer.
And the...
dad is a firefighter and the momhas a school teacher.
And so they all sat down, theyall did submission statement
bootcamp together.
And it was so neat because thedaughter and the dad had similar
strengths and likecharacteristics.
Interesting.
Uncovered it all.

(26:36):
And then the son and the mom hassimilar characteristics and
strengths.
And I don't think they everreally thought about that
before, but you know, once weall like discovered it and we
were talking about it, they'relike, oh yeah, that makes sense.
Oh yeah, that checks out.
Yeah.
And It was so cool.
And it really just solidifiedfor the parents, both of them.

(26:56):
You know, they're like, oh,yeah, I am in my right
profession.
You know, I am using my giftsand talents in what I'm doing.
And I am passionate about whatI'm doing.
And then for the kiddos, it waskind of cool.
We actually used ChatGPT.
And I said, okay, apply yourstrengths.
you know, in your instant chatGPT and see what it comes up
with.
Oh, how I know like careerchoices or options it throws out

(27:19):
at you.

SPEAKER_01 (27:19):
Oh, that's really creative.
I love that.
I never would have thought to dothat.
Like plug in your talents.
That's huge.
That's helpful.
What did they find?

SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
Yeah.
You know, there were some thingsthat he was just like, oh, yeah,
I never really thought aboutthat before.
Oh, yeah.
And then some things, you know,of course, with Chachi, he was
like, oh, no, that's way off.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
I could tell, like, he got thewheels turning and he was just
like, okay, this is, you know,really true.
And then the daughter, shealready was very interested in

(27:51):
becoming a physical therapist.
And so she was, like, set onthat.
And she said, yes, my strength.
And that was one of the thingsthat it did both of us.
Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (28:04):
Yeah, I know.
We can't totally trust AI.
Oh, it's so helpful.
There is a line in your storythat really hit me and it was
why wait until the kids move outor wait until retirement to do
the things you love.

(28:24):
What do you think stops mostpeople from choosing joy and
purpose right now and And how doyou guide them past those
blocks?

SPEAKER_00 (28:32):
So I think, especially as moms or especially
as parents, we're focused on ourkids.
We're focused on everybody else.
And we tend to put our needs andour goals and our vision on the
back burner.
But that doesn't have to happen.
You know, I think you can buildon that and start figuring that
out now and work that intolittle bits and pieces into your

(28:55):
life.
in certain ways that like maybeeven if you are in a corporate
job maybe you can start trackinglike in a flow journal once you
know what you're once youuncover your gifts and strengths
you know what they are so nowstart journaling you know maybe
journal moments throughout theday at the end of the day that

(29:15):
you felt flow and when I talkabout flow that is like where
you lose track of time becauseyou're so immersed in the
activity that you're doing andAnd you're just enjoying life at
that moment.
Oh, absolutely.
For those who want to remember,I'm like, I have no idea.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
totally.
This gives me so much energy.
I'm excited to do it.
I'm like, really excited.
you know, just losing track oftime when I'm working on it.
But also I've noticed that withpainting my entire life, I
forget to breathe even becauseI'm so immersed in what I'm
doing.
So I understand that.

(29:54):
And I love that you tell peopleto look for those activities
that, you know, really get themin the flow.
And they felt just the way we dowhen we're helping others.
So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
Yeah.
you know, you're not present.
And so it helps you to become alittle bit more present with
what you're doing.
It helps you kind of connect thedots and figure out, you know,
maybe what time of day it is orthe people that you're around
when you're finding flow or the,again, the activity that you're
doing.
And then it allows you to maybestart incorporating little bits

(30:31):
of that into your day and to tryto build upon that and not wait
until, I think just in ourWestern society, culture oh
there's so many things oh I knowI know like for one you know
what if this what I'm doing wasfilled into our schools you know

(30:51):
it would be huge external andextrinsic in our schools and and
not that I'm not I'm not sayingthat that's not important like
we need to be smart people weneed to be educated but I think
it I think sometimes we forgetthe intrinsic motivation and to
look internally and that soundsso woo woo you know no it really

(31:16):
doesn't but it I mean we arehuman beings we have feelings
but get that and so to lookinward and figure out your
purpose along with learning theeducation piece and connecting
that

SPEAKER_01 (31:31):
is so important I agree completely and I don't
know if you had thought about itor it sounds like you have but
What if you brought yourframework into the schools and
maybe asked if there was a wayfor them to incorporate it into
some kind of class?
Because I think overalleducation needs to be reformed.

(31:52):
There's too much access toinformation now, which we didn't
have before.
And, you know, reading, I think,is the most important thing that
kids should learn in school.
Math, if you're going intoengineering and all of that.
But if you're not...
We need more of thatpurpose-driven education that
you're talking about.

(32:12):
And it would be interesting ifyou spoke with schools and got
involved in teaching more thanjust the athletes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Yeah, absolutely.
It is on my, it is off my radar,on my to-do list.
I'm a little intimidated, I'mnot going to lie.
It's just like how I get my footin the doors with that, you
know.
Oh, I understand.
And, you know, things, it has togo

SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
through that.
you know, the state probably.
Right.
Yeah.
Maybe even to the head inWashington.
Yeah.
But how cool.
Well, I get that.
It's daunting, but I think itwould be very, very exciting
for, you know, our country andjust the way we look at our
lives.
I do too.

(32:56):
I want to look or talk aboutyour book and when you wrote it,
what motivated you to write itand anything else you can share?
Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
So I would start with, back when I was running
the corporate fitness center forthe company that I work for now,
I've always loved writing.
I mean, I even found like oldcalls, you know?
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
Same, same.
And so I've just always lovedwriting and just creating.

(33:29):
I mean, that's one of my gifts.
And And so back when I wasrunning the corporate fitness
center, I thought, okay,something to write a book and
then write a book aboutcorporate wellness.
And I did like, I wrote it allout.
I had this rough draft and Inever did anything with it.
And I was, you know, like, Yeah,I don't know.
When you write a book and youpublish it, it's like you're

(33:49):
standing naked in front ofeverybody.
You're so vulnerable.
I know.
So scary.

SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Girl, the podcast is the same.
I was terrified, mostly ofpeople I knew instead of...
It's so weird.
Yeah, I know.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
That was it.
So then I went to work for theYMCA.
My boss there, we were stillreally good friends, and she is
one of the coolest people Iknow.
And I had told her about it.
She said it to me, and she wasjust always so encouraging about
everything that I do.
And I never really did anythingwith it.
And so then, my daughter came tome one day, you know, fast

(34:28):
forward to like two years ago,almost three years ago now.
My daughter came to me, and shewas about to be in seventh
grade, and she's a freshman now.
She said, Mom, I want to try outfor volleyball.
And I never played volleyball.
I was attracted to crosscountry.
I meant to ask you what yoursport was.

(34:48):
Okay.
It was...
But my sisters playedvolleyball, but this was a long
time ago.
Yes, they did, I guess.
But I do not remember themhaving a tryout for their school
ball team.
And there definitely wasn't anyclub volleyball at that time.
All

SPEAKER_01 (35:04):
right, I'm going to interrupt you there because when
I was a freshman, it must havebeen in 2000.
I had to try out for thevolleyball team.
I had played in middle schoolthinking I was, you know, the
shit.
No, it was me and my bestfriend.
We're both very athletic andanother girl that got cut.
And I was devastated,embarrassed.
And it actually brought me tocross country running because

(35:28):
you didn't have to try out.
And so we have that in common.
I did cross country and track.
Sorry, please.
continue on but yeah the tryoutsthey seem they are stressful and
they can be quite defeating

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
yeah and so this was kind of the first thing that my
daughter like she did a littlebit of gymnastics but it was
kind of clear that she wasn'tgonna get to move yeah but to
dance and stay with people andstay with soccer and so anyway
she cussed up to me she's like Iwant to do this and we had
played there's a called i9sports I don't know if you've
ever heard of it look at itworked with school systems and

(36:06):
it's recreational.
It's kind of like the YFTA.
And so she did like 12 weeks ofthat.
And it's just like parentsvolunteering to coach.
And so we had a parent volunteerand she was a wonderful human
being and it's super nice but itwas clear she had never touched
a volleyball in her life oh noshe went from that to her trying

(36:30):
out for school ball and it was afour day tryout in the
summertime and my father-in-lawhad to take her because we work
and so she went to these andthen at the time that was
actually when my grandmother washad started to get sick with
breast cancer at 93 in the lastday of her tryouts, I had, I had

(36:53):
to go up there to Indiana.
And so she was here with myhusband and they took her to
tryouts and, you know, theypost, they post like a size of
numbers and they post thenumbers on the door of who wins.
And also, let me just say, therewere 113 girls trying.
Oh my

SPEAKER_01 (37:11):
gosh.

UNKNOWN (37:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
Well, that's better for the ones who don't make it
because they don't feel as badwhen you're one of three like I
was.
Oh my gosh, but that was stillhard.
It sounds like she made it.

SPEAKER_00 (37:25):
No.
Oh, she didn't?
No, she didn't.
Oh, shoot.
So, that's great.
She did not make the team, andshe called me while I was up
there balling.

SPEAKER_02 (37:33):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
So, we had a conversation, and the
conversation was like, ofcourse, I had to pull out, like,
the Michael Jordan.
Hey, guess what?
And she goes, Michael Jordan.
I says, good, good.

SPEAKER_01 (37:43):
It's cool.
Oh, that's something I didn'tknow about him.
That's good to know.
Yeah.
That's powerful.
Okay, that's really good for youguys to hear.
Michael Jordan did not make hishigh school basketball team, and
he became one of the greatest ofall time.
So that's a huge message.

(38:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:05):
Well, I told her that, you know, she's like,
okay.
And then we talked, and it waslike, okay.
do you want to try out againnext year?
Yes.
And so I said, okay, let's dosome research.
Let's figure out, you know, I'veheard there's club volleyball.
I don't know what that lookslike.
We can do that.
We can look into some, you know,one-on-one sessions.
We can sign up for some leaguesin the summertime.

(38:27):
And we'll just, you know, workon our game.
And then you can try outparades, right?
And she was all about that.
She was like, okay, let's do it.
And so this time came, we endedup doing like a six-week summer
league.
And then she tried out for,club, competitive ball, and she
made the team.
And so that was exciting.
She knew so much from that.

(38:49):
And then she tried out for hereighth grade team the next year,
and she made it.
How wonderful.
They had...
I think that year there was likean in-conference and an
out-of-conference.
JV at RC for G.
She likes an in-conference andan out-of-conference.
And she wrote JV's conference.
So she was pretty proud ofherself.

(39:10):
I was proud of her for justputting in the work and having
the grit and the motivation tokeep on trying.
And so that gave her confidenceboost.
And that first year club...
I didn't know what I was gettinginto.
I mean, it is a whole otherworld out there.
Oh, wow.

(39:31):
The trials are crazy.
Yeah.
The fees are crazy.
The travel is crazy.
Oh, my gosh.
It comes to your life.
Yeah.
So, I just bought it.
I mean, it motivated me to writethis book.
And actually, so...
as we were, you know, in themiddle of this experience, I was
just journaling.

(39:51):
Again, I liked to write andjournaling little notes, like a
POV, like my point of view,blah, blah, blah, you know,
blah, blah, blah.
notes in a book.
And I became friends, of course,with some moms on the sidelines,
you know, from the other girlson the team.
And at the end of that clubseason, you know, we would make
comments like, oh, that needs togo in the book.

(40:12):
Oh, somebody needs to write abook.
That needs to go in the book.
Oh, that needs to go in thebook.

SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
So I love this, that you were sharing your idea to
write this book and you weregetting feedback.
And it sounds like they wereinterested.
So you kind of knew it was, youknow, something people wanted to
hear.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (40:26):
Well, it started out kind of with a joke.
Totally.
I didn't see that.
Yeah.
Like, I'm sure I'll write thebook.
And then the end of the season,I compiled all of my notes.
And all of the little commentswere the base that, you know,
they were saying, oh, that needsto go into the book.
That needs to go into the book.
And I just made, like, a very,very rough, like, word document

(40:48):
type book.
And I emailed it to the guys.
They said, yes, ladies, I madethe book.
Oh, I love it.
Yeah, and so they read it.
It is a very short book.
It's only like 48 pages long, Ithink.
And so they said, Giles, youshould really actually publish
them.
It can help other parents justlike as a guide, you know.

(41:10):
Right.
And kind of like keep themlaughing along the way.
And so I did.
And so that was kind of my roughdraft.
And I would wake up early in themorning.
Back to your morning episode.
Yes.
I'm

SPEAKER_01 (41:24):
glad.
Yeah, I know.
Mornings have...
I honestly, I used to...
I could sleep in till noonbefore.
And now that I've made it aroutine and a habit, I really
just naturally wake up at 5.15.
It's wonderful.
And it really gives you thatcreative time.
Yes, and that's my favoritepart.

(41:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:46):
So I did.
I used that time to just...
I'll add a little bit more toit, you know, update it, make
edits, so things like that.
And then I decided to add, soright now it's an e-book.
I actually, my designer is thehusband.
He formatted it for me.
Oh, great.

(42:07):
We're getting ready to formatthe paperback.
I'm hoping to have pre-orders bySeptember 1st.
Oh, that's so exciting.
Yeah, we'll publish that for thepaperback.
Hopefully right around my clubseason for the developmental
league startup, at least in ourregion in October.

SPEAKER_01 (42:26):
Well, I'm sure that will hit home for so many
families who have children insports, but not just volleyball,
but kind of everything.
They're all very similar withthe amount of time we invest and
all the sideline stuff that wehave to deal with.
But I want to talk now aboutyour husband and your wife.

(42:47):
relationship.
It sounds like he is a designeror is he just really good at
that?
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
Those are bias.
Well, that's great.
That's awesome.
Well, this mate left his job asI didn't know.
So I got my freelancing, youknow, pieces here and there.
And then, of course, all of mycrazy ideas.
Yes, I love that.
Oh, babe, it's time for thepaperback.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Yeah, here we go.
So when you developed yourmission statement, did you sit
down with him and say, hey,what's yours?
I mean, how did that kind ofcome into your relationship and
how did it affect yourrelationship?

SPEAKER_00 (43:32):
Yeah.
That's very logical.
So he has promised me that he'sgoing to sit down and take my
mission statement at boot camp,and he has it to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (43:44):
We're staying there.
I have asked my husband to do alife coaching session with me,
and he has yet to do it, too.
So here we are.

SPEAKER_00 (43:52):
100% supportive of everything I've ever felt.
He's my rock.
That's great.
Yeah.
fine, crazy, no fun, like,idyllic, cynic.
He's usually the one that'slike, hey, what do you think
about this idea?
Does it sound too crazy?
Or, you know, it's the statementthat I've heard through all of

(44:13):
this and putting the book andputting the, you know, balanced
out, if anybody can do it, maybeyou can do it.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (44:20):
that is wonderful.
It's so great to have asupportive partner.
Yeah.
I know I come up to my husband,Corey, with a lot of crazy ideas
all the time because my mindmoves just so quickly that, you
know, at this point, I'm sure healways was supportive before,
but at this point, he's like,are you sure?

(44:41):
Yep, whatever you want to do,you go do it.
Yeah, but that is great to havesomeone.

SPEAKER_00 (44:46):
It's important to have kind of that person that is
not afraid to tell you thetruth.
Oh, totally, yeah.
Yeah.
of my daughter, Suzanne, and dothe mission statement boot camp.
Oh, awesome.
You know what, Nicole?
That was certainly interestingbecause, especially through her,
like, first year, I think, firstyear of club ball and school

(45:10):
ball, she's just thiseasy-peeled, like, personality.
I'm kind of like this socialbutterfly.
Right.
That's kind of prettyeasy-peeled, too.
So I guess she didn't represent.
But it was hard to, like, tellif she really wanted it, you
know, just by her language orjust by her expressions and
things like that.
And we sat down and we did thispersonal mission statement, and

(45:32):
one of her strengths, so one ofthe things that she takes that's
important to her is gettingthings right.
Oh.
So we're going to tell theteenager, like, oh, really,
getting things right isimportant to you, huh?
Interesting, yeah.
Good to know.
But...
What that told me was, I thinksometimes the way we took these,

(45:53):
it was her like feeling like shewanted to get into it, right?
And maybe not meeting her ownexpectations and kind of like a
perfectionist situation.
And so we were just reading itwrong.
Right.
And so knowing that is one ofher strengths or one of her, you
know, values, right?
That changed everything for me,like, just how I was saying it

(46:15):
and how I was communicating toher.
You know, we would try to havethese car, and I think probably
all sports parents can relate tothis, like, you have these
conversations in the car, right?
And I'm like, okay, tell me,like, what are you wanting to
do?
You know, like, what is yourgoal?
Like, What are you trying to doout there?
Where you work?
What are you getting at yourbest?

(46:36):
And you're kind of almost likeadding to their stress.
Oh, totally.
Like another coach.
They don't need another coach.
They need support.
And so those conversations afterhaving that statement on it with
her, they changed.
And I ended up asking her, okay,so what is your goal for this
practice?
Hey, what...
Today, what's your goal for thistournament?

(46:57):
What are you wanting to achieve?
And she was saying, well, I wantto make, I just want to do my
best and I want to try to getthe best, you know, sets to my
pastors or to my outside orwhatever her goal was for that
time.
Yeah.
Afterwards, oh, let's bring itup.
That's great.
and then i would ask her okay ona scale of one to ten you know

(47:19):
so one being like you give me tostep it up ten being like you're
amazing you're going to theolympics where you feel like you
hit that goal and you knowsometimes she'll be like oh well
it's a five or six or sometimesshe'll be like it was a nine and
so it has really changed thedynamics of our conversations
and i've That's great.

(47:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
I think your work just would be so important, not
just for teen athletes, but forparents and their children to
communicate more effectively,just like you found when you did
the bootcamp with your daughter.
So let's talk about people thatyou've struggled with.

(48:01):
Maybe there's one person thatsticks out where they couldn't
come up with talents or valuesor anything?
How did you kind of guide themtowards discovering those or
uncovering those, as you say?

SPEAKER_00 (48:14):
So I haven't had that situation come up.
Let's pretend.
Yeah.
But I would say like everybodyhas strengths.
And I think the method that Iuse is I basically have a That's
going to make it sound reallycheesy, but you don't know.

(48:35):
For lack of a better term, it'slike a theme field card, right?
Okay.
Because you had asked me this,and I actually sailed to mention
that this is available foranyone.
We do a Zoom call.
If that's somebody that's localor is a friend or, say, a
teenager or TP's parents orwhatever, I can be a better
person for sure.
But most of the time, Zoom isgoing to be the modality.

(48:57):
And so...
I have a Beagle card that I sentto them and it has these
strengths, kind of some verycommon strengths on there, about
32 of them.
And so I asked them to gothrough that and choose from
those what their

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
strengths are.
Oh, that is not cheesy at all.
It's very helpful.
It gives them a place to startwhere, you know, the way I was
envisioning the process is, youknow, just Write down your
strengths.
And even for myself, I have ahard time because I am hard on
myself.
I'm not a perfectionist, but,you know, people pleaser.

(49:37):
I have a hard time talking aboutmy own strengths or even
recognizing them.
So I love that idea that yougive them a bingo light card.
That's huge.
It's such a good starting offpoint.

SPEAKER_00 (49:53):
I know, as well.
It's not like automatically say,okay, take your fly, but I need
to, because that's overwhelming,too.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
Okay, this class, two minutes topick all of the strengths that
Yes.
And still worry about the ones,you know, that are not enough.

(50:15):
Right.
They create this list, you know,and then, okay, now you've got
one minute to narrow this downto your top ten.
You know, okay, now you've gotone minute to narrow it down to
your top five.
But it's so fun.
Yeah.
Do a little narrowing processand turn it into a little bit of
a game.
But having a timer on it keepsyou from overthinking.
Right.
because it's so easy to, oh,yeah, well, I'm trying to do

(50:38):
this, and this is kind of mystrength, maybe at work, but
maybe not so much at home, ormaybe it's my strength on my
team, but maybe not as sinful,or, yeah, and so, you know, it
just, it keeps you fromover-linking and using your gut
and safe, and good, and right,and word, and I love,

SPEAKER_01 (50:57):
love, love that approach.
That is very cool.
Okay, I just need to know So youwanted to be a personal trainer,
like coaching gymnastics, you'rerealizing your mission
statement, but how did you comeup with this whole body program?
Like what sparked in you thatwas like, this is how I'm going

(51:18):
to do it.
This is what's important.
I'm just like very curious.
It's so fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 (51:23):
Well, I mean, so at least since 2005, just figuring
out your personal missionstatements and, I think as a
personal trainer, you know, youhave to be really good at seeing
the potential in people.
And your job is, yeah, you'rehelping them get in shape, yes,
you're helping them lose weight,yes, you're helping them meet

(51:44):
their fitness goals.
But really, ultimately, you areseeing their potential and you
are helping them get from pointA to Right.

SPEAKER_01 (51:55):
And

SPEAKER_00 (51:57):
you can envision that for them, even when they
can't envision it themselves.
I don't know.
I've just been fascinated withhelping people get from point A
to point B and everything that Ido, even interior design, right?
Right.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
My professors in school used tosay, you have to have a TV in
your head.
You have to be able to envisionthe room before it happens.

(52:17):
And so I just, I don't know, Ijust get fascinated with the
process of point A to point B.
And then I'm fascinated with thepurpose and omission statements
and helping people.
And there is something called,it's a Japanese concept

SPEAKER_01 (52:32):
called Ichigai.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I wanted to talk about that.
I was afraid to ask my questionbecause I was not sure I could
pronounce it.
So yes, please tell us aboutthis.
Yes.
Can you spell that out for ourlisteners?

SPEAKER_00 (52:46):
Yeah, it is I-K.
I have to see it in my

SPEAKER_01 (52:51):
name.
Yeah, I know.
I have it right here.
I've been afraid to ask.
Right.
There we go.

SPEAKER_00 (52:59):
So it was steeped in their culture for centuries.
And what it is, is it is whatwe're talking about, basically.
Like, basically helping peopleknow and figure out what they
love, what their passion is,what their mission is, and what

(53:25):
it can contribute to the world.
what they can get paid for.
Right.
You know, and so it's basically,there's a little done biograph
in the eye and it's figuring outwhat you love, what you can get
paid for, what you cancontribute to society, to the
world, and basically what, whatyour mission

SPEAKER_01 (53:46):
is.
And where does it come from?
I, I missed that.
So this is centuries old.
Okay.
In the Japanese culture.
Oh, Japanese culture.
Got it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (53:56):
Yeah.

UNKNOWN (53:57):
Look at them.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
It was an article the other day that I think it
was Toyota.
And the article talked about howafter World War II in Japan, the
country just became a prettywealthy country.
And they became so focused onproduction and work that people
now are just like, they'returned out and they're starting

(54:20):
to work.
You know, they're working morehours than they ever did.
They're kind of losing thatikigai attitude.
part of their culture of workingtowards their purpose and
working towards their missionand contributing what they are
good at into their society andinto their community and a big
part of Ikigai is harmony andcommunity and so they're

(54:43):
starting to see that and to seethe problems that that's causing
in their culture and so they'restarting to incorporate back
again that Ikigai that you know,helping people figure out the
fluffy stuff.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (55:01):
It's not fluffy though.
It's really, it's important inour lives.
So you were saying Toyota is nowusing that framework to inspire
their employees.
That's great.
Back then.
That's

SPEAKER_00 (55:13):
huge.
I found this ticket guy a longtime ago.
I've read, you know, differentfolks about it.
And so I, I actually incorporatethat into my work.
balanced athlete and so I spokeabout the vision statement boot
camp but I'm working on creatinga parent playbook and it's going
to be a nine week coachingprogram for parents and teen

(55:37):
athletes and I lead them throughthe whole process of it is
leveled in with my visionstatement boot camp so that is a
prerequisite but once you knowyour personal mission statement.
Then from there, we can figureout the, what you love, what you
can contribute to the world,what your passion is, what your

(55:59):
purpose is.

SPEAKER_01 (56:00):
Oh, well, I love that.
And I know I will be contactingyou when my kids are a little
older and going through thatcourse, because I think it will
be just so great for all of us.
My husband included, you know,just doing it as a whole family.
Okay.
Off the cuff here.
And again, It might take you aminute to think.
You sound like you are a bigreader.

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Obviously, you're a big writer.
Give us your top three to fivebooks that you recommend
everyone should read.
It's good.
It's good.
Okay.
So, Change Your Thoughts, ChangeYour Life by Dr.
Wayne Dyer.

SPEAKER_00 (56:34):
Change Your Thoughts, Change Your

SPEAKER_01 (56:36):
Life.
Okay.
I'm sorry I interrupted you.
No,

SPEAKER_00 (56:38):
you're fine.
And it's really almost like adaily devotional type thing,
like a daily meditation thing.
So it's broken up into smallbits and pieces that you can
read almost as like a dailydevotional.

SPEAKER_01 (56:53):
Oh, I love those kind of books.
They are so helpful, so easy toget through, you know, having it
on your bedside table.
You don't have to read much.
It's not daunting.
That is one that I haven't read.
I will put that on number one.
Yeah.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (57:08):
it's really good.
And then I am a super fan ofKathy Heller.
I don't know if you...
know about her or have read anyof her stuff or she has a
podcast, but she has a bookcalled Don't Keep Your Day Job.
I've heard of that book.
Answer Your Career.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely read it.
If you want out too, that Iactually, I ordered, I

(57:31):
pre-ordered her art copy, so Ihaven't read it yet.

SPEAKER_01 (57:34):
This is great.
I love giving my listeners andyou're giving me new reads that
I can't wait to dive into.
Just something tangible to takeaway from the episode.
I mean, we've given them alreadyso much, but this is great.
Okay.
Maybe two or three more.
I love it.
Okay.
Let's compete.
Atomic Habits is good.

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That is one I have read.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
No, no.
I'm excited.
You can say the F word.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that because I've readthat book.
I have it on audio.

(58:17):
But it's so funny because thetitle grabs you.
But what the book is reallyabout is giving a fuck and
finding purpose.
Right, exactly.
So if you're thinking it's theopposite or basically what the
title says, it's not.
It's about doing...

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things for the right reasons andyes I love that book

SPEAKER_00 (58:40):
yeah and I won't make you that book like
something like not give a fuckabout anything right that's like
that's a spy film like that's

SPEAKER_01 (58:50):
you're a psychopath I know he's very straightforward
blunt and I love it yeah just soI'm not like making you stressed
out let's hear one more that youwould recommend or that you
loved um

SPEAKER_00 (59:05):
is called Wabi Sabi.
Oh, I like this.
I haven't.
Japanese.
And it's Japanese is their pointof perfectly imperfect life.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
And so Wabi Sabi is a concept, Iguess, it's like, have you ever
seen those bases that arebroken, but then they're like

(59:27):
put back together again and thenthey put those like the gold.
The gold, yeah.
And they're more beautiful thanthey were.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so that's kind of the visualof Wabi Sabi.
It's like, we're all broken, ourbodies are not perfect, but it's
supposed to be that

SPEAKER_01 (59:47):
way.
Right, and it's almost ametaphor for failures.
Each break is a failure, but youcome back stronger and more
beautiful after, in terms of avase broken, and then it's
mended with gold.
So that's such a great, I'm gladyou brought that up.

(01:00:07):
I love that.
Yeah.
And do you have a book that youread about it in?
Oh, it's called Wabi Sabi.
Oh, great.
And who is that by?
Okay.
Awesome.
I love that.
I will link all these in theshow notes for you guys.

UNKNOWN (01:00:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:29):
Okay.
So as Oh, yeah.
No, me either.
I know we've kind of coveredthis, but as I want to close
with you, I want to know if oneof our listeners is really
feeling lost.
Like maybe they can't even getthemselves off the couch or out
the door.
They just are going through themotions of their life, maybe in

(01:00:51):
a job they've outgrown orparenting teens who are changing
so fast or stuck in a cycle ofburnout.
What is like one small...
step they can take today towardsdiscovering that purpose.
And I have a feeling you'regoing to talk about mission
statement.
I love that.
How, let's say they are justlike solo.
They can't even write that.

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Like what would be the firststep you would give them?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:16):
So there is another process that I think all of us
go through.
And I don't know if you've everheard of Mr.
Strangles.
Yeah.
Love his work.
book.
So, yeah, he's an Austrianpsychiatrist and a Holocaust
survivor.
Right.
And she came up with the conceptof logotherapy.

(01:01:39):
Logotherapy.
You basically kind of map out,you kind of create a map of your
heart shifts almost.
Yeah.
Of what, like, were yourstruggles, what you've gone
through.
And through that, That's where alot of us find that meaning.

(01:02:00):
Yeah.
And so, you know, I'm going toread you something I wrote down
about him because I just thinkit's so good.
His beliefs are that humans areprimarily driven by the search
for meaning.
His experience during theHolocaust, he discovered that
those who can find deepermeaning and their suffering can

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transcend even the hardest ofcircumstances.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:25):
Wow.
The feeling in my stomach.
I can't even describe it rightnow.
It's so true, though.
And I know this from experienceI have.
And it's true.
So, yeah, I say for thosepeople, like you're saying, kind
of map out why you're feeling sodown, why you're going through

(01:02:47):
struggles and find the meaningin that and what you can bring
to the world with all of this.
Absolutely.
That is powerful.
I have chills.
Seriously, goosebumps even.
But it's been so lovely talkingwith you.
And I think your program is justso unique.
I think it's going to appeal toa wider audience than just

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parents and teen athletes.
It is huge.
And it doesn't just have to beabout your health and wellness
or anything.
It is really about living apurpose-driven life.
Thank you so much.
And if you have anything else tosay or share with us, I'd love
to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:28):
Pleasure holding you on your podcast.
I'm just passionate about livinga purposeful life.
So if anybody wants to reachout, you can reach me through
Instagram, through DMs.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:40):
Well, I think you're going to do amazing things in
this world and reach so manypeople.
And I hope that you get a lot ofcalls and you're just living
your purpose every single day.
And one last question.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:55):
If I'm a Jean could see you today, that's her
grandmother that we spoke aboutin the beginning of the episode.
I know if she could see you now,you know, in front of you
holding your hands, what do youthink she would say to you?
Yeah, I love that.
Actually, I have one story foryou before we close.

(01:04:16):
My grandfather was such aninspiration to me as well.
He didn't go through thestruggles, but as a family, we
all came together for the firsttime in probably 20 years for
his and my grandmother's 70thanniversary.
And he had had colon cancer.
He had cancer.

(01:04:36):
you know, some stuff going onwith his heart.
He wasn't feeling well the wholetime we were there.
I was the very last cousin toleave.
And as I'm walking out the doorin his recliner, he just looked
at me and said, just keep doingwhat you're doing.
It's working.
And he passed away hours after Ileft and it, it has stuck with

(01:04:57):
me.
And I just, you know, I thinkthat there is some divine
intervention where we have theseexperiences and, I was meant to
hear those words.
Those were really powerful tome.
And just your whole story aboutyour grandmother, she's
inspiring you from out theresomewhere.

(01:05:20):
So I love that.
Okay, well, I'm going to crynow.
And on that note, I hope we cantalk again.
I'd love to discuss more aboutyour process and everything.
So we'll stay in touch and haveyou on again.
Thank you guys again for showingup today, listening, and I would

(01:05:42):
be grateful if you could rateand review this podcast or share
it with someone who needs tohear it.
Have a great day.